Open Thread – Tues 24 May 2022


Expulsion from the Garden of Eden, Thomas Cole, 1828

2,187 responses to “Open Thread – Tues 24 May 2022”

  1. Mak Siccar Avatar
    Mak Siccar

    Is this my lucky day?

  2. Mak Siccar Avatar
    Mak Siccar

    It is! It is!

  3. Mak Siccar Avatar
    Mak Siccar

    Timing is everything!

  4. P Avatar
    P

    The Feast of Our Lady Help of Christians

    May 24 is the Feast of Our Lady Help of Christians. This is an important Feast in our country because Our Lady, under the title “Help of Christians”, is a spiritual Patron of Australia, along with St. Mary of the Cross MacKillop.

    The title “Help of Christians” is of very ancient lineage, with Saint John Chrysostom, who died in 407, having used the title in a homily. According to Fr Johann G Roten, the invocation of Mary under the title of Help of Christians is part of the oldest prayer addressed directly to Mary, the Sub tuum praesidium, found on a papyrus dating from the third century. The prayer was initially associated with the Coptic Orthodox Christmas liturgy.

    Under this title, the Virgin Mary is also honoured by many Chinese Catholics, particularly at the Shrine of Our Lady Help of Christians of Sheshan, in the Diocese of Shanghai.

    University of Notre Dame Australia

  5. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Made the First Eleven again!

  6. Bruce in WA Avatar
    Bruce in WA

    Numero six!

  7. JMH Avatar
    JMH

    From the old thread:

    If that Guy freak can expel Finn from the Libs, just imagine what he would be prepared to do to the average Victorian punter swimming against the ‘correct’ tide should he win government – which, in itself, is an impossibility. The mongrel will not be getting my vote.

  8. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    In the G-8.

  9. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    JMHsays:
    May 24, 2022 at 12:46 pm
    From the old thread

    The old thread did not die of natural causes.
    Triple vaxxed.

  10. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    Duncanm,

    Er, no.
    Chelyabinsk was 65 feet diameter and yielded 0.5 megatonnes. The 350 giraffes one is 5800 feet diameter. So around 90 times the diameter. Volume is then 90 x 90 x 90 times the volume of Chelyabinsk or 729000 times. Assuming the same velocity (everything comes in at at least escape velocity or higher) and density as a first estimate, that gives you about 729,000 times the mass and kinetic energy, multiply by 0.5 megatonnes or 365 gigatonnes yield. Or around 6400 Tsar Bombas.
    It won’t buff out.

  11. Struth Avatar

    Fat Clive denies knowing the little liar from Geelong’s Neighbourhood watch council.

  12. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    Please let 350 giraffes hit canberra but only when parliament is sitting.I dont mind taking one for the team and its going to hurt a lot less than reading Ken Worth reminding us why he’s a failure, not that we needed reminding. I hear the furniture shop is down for remedial work after someone strolled in for a look see. Faulty should have spent a bit more than the 10 or 20k that he claimed.

  13. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Also, “2000 Mules” is unsupported nonsense.
    https://www.readtangle.com/otherposts/2000-mules-fact-check-stolen-election/

    For a start, no photos in the movie show anyone dropping more than 6 ballots at a time anywhere. Would any of you that have watched the movie care to confirm that?
    The idea of “mules” came from only a single anonymous witness, which is strange considering they claim to have the cellphone IDs of the people doing the dropping and there are 2000 of them to talk to.

    “How to make ten million dollars out of MAGA chumps in 2 weeks” might have been a more accurate title.

    Which makes sense in the grand scheme of things. The more time that has elapsed since a controversial event, the less chance there is that any authentic evidence has remained undiscovered, and so the probability that new claims are unfounded goes up.

  14. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    At a Cafe. Radio on news.
    Kill me now

  15. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Sancho Panzer says: May 24, 2022 at 12:57 pm

    The old thread did not die of natural causes.

    On Catallaxy Files, every thread has co-morbidities.

  16. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Matthew Guy blocked me on twitter ages ago.
    Victoria liberal party can get stuffed

  17. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    The Couching Singer, at the end of the OOT:

    Every morning I get at least ten emails from CHRISTIAN news services , with reports from the thousands of doctors screaming

    Genuine questions – why is the CHRISTIAN part of these sites so important? Does it add extra credibility? Are they Gospel sites or something? What makes the sites CHRISTIAN?

    If said sites are the batshit tunnels/pizza/koo dettat/hiding in plain sight/you just wait/blood turns to jelly ones, and a reader correctly identifies the content as wishful thinking mixed with bullshit – does it suddenly make them un-Christian to point that out?

  18. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    Very clever.
    Instead of defunding the police, our very own geniuses in NSW simply charge potential cops $17,000 to join the police.
    Hence, no-one joins (except for KK’s son).
    NSW Plod have cancelled the next scheduled training course for new officers.

    Way too clever.

  19. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    … considering they claim to have the cellphone IDs of the people doing the dropping and there are 2000 of them to talk to.

    Correct me where I’m wrong;
    The ID (i.e. privacy) of cellphone users was not released, only the tracking data.

    Thus they don’t have the ID of individual cellphones, only the tracking showing where each cellphone travelled & the timing.

  20. dover0beach Avatar

    I haven’t seen ‘2000 mules’ yet but they have footage of the same people making multiple drops and visits to GOTV locations, and the like.

  21. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    For some people claiming to be Christian is merely a marketing tool.

  22. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Apparently barnababy is in leadership trouble.
    Not climate changy enough.
    Petrol prices on high rotation.

  23. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Correct me where I’m wrong;

    That’s an abbreviation for “I’m making this up”.
    Which is fine if it is posed as a hypothesis, but you didn’t say it that way.

  24. dover0beach Avatar

    They don’t just have tracking data, they also have video surveillance of dropbox visits to cross-match with the former.

  25. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Making people pay to join the police seems very American (always reading about people doing police courses prior to getting recruited*).
    Why does it have to be a live in course?
    *unless they are very special

  26. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Now I’m listening to Elbow do talking.
    Reincarnate me and kill me again.

  27. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    ABC says

    Some young Australians say they are choosing not to buy as property and housing prices climb to unreachable heights.

    Their ABC has a strange understanding of the word “choose”.
    Let’s all use the word choose in a sentence the way the ABC does. I’ll go first.

    I choose to not fly to the moon today.

  28. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Some woman talking about Australia’s terrible record on climate and how we should do what America wants.
    Remember when lefties hated Yanks?

  29. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Why does it have to be a live in course?
    Cos Goulburn is a fair distance for a daily commute if you don’t live there! .. LOL!

  30. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    That’s an abbreviation for “I’m making this up”.

    Nay, it is not.
    “I’m making this up” is when a comment commences with “So what you’re saying is... “

  31. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Do not question me.
    I am a CHRISTIAN!
    With a Big Website (cost me $25k).

  32. twostix Avatar
    twostix

    The voter turnout numbers from the AEC site are astonishing.

    Nearly 30% of Australian voters boycotted the election.

    The lowest turnouts are in the inner city seats consecutively, look at the comparisons to 2019:

    Electorate, Turnout %, Enrolled, Marked Off, Turnout % Relative to 2019
    Melbourne 61.4 114447 70270 -28.22
    Sydney 61.83 125421 77550 -24.47
    Brisbane 62.46 125241 78223 -28.05
    Perth 62.63 122719 76856 -26.9

    The highest turnout in all of Australia was just 86% in Page.

    Just look at these numbers, a blood bath!

    Electorate, Turnout %, 2022 vs 2019
    Wright 63.72 -28.29
    Melbourne 61.4 -28.22
    Brisbane 62.46 -28.05
    Chisholm 67.45 -27.36
    Perth 62.63 -26.9
    Cowan 64.07 -26.62
    Higgins 67.09 -26.59
    Bruce 65.6 -26.41
    Bonner 66.67 -26.09
    Wills 65.16 -26
    Maranoa 65.99 -25.94
    Swan 63.01 -25.84
    Moreton 65.16 -25.76
    Dickson 70.13 -25.31
    Petrie 66.16 -25.14
    Ryan 67.97 -25.01
    Hotham 67.68 -24.71
    Oxley 66.55 -24.65
    McEwen 67.55 -24.61
    Sydney 61.83 -24.47
    Tangney 69.05 -24.45
    Maribyrnong 69.26 -24.24
    Kooyong 71.66 -24.17
    Dunkley 68.24 -24.12
    Gorton 66.99 -24.02
    Mayo 71 -23.97
    Lilley 68.45 -23.7
    Longman 68.58 -23.58
    Moncrieff 64.64 -23.56
    Rankin 67.11 -23.56
    Scullin 68.81 -23.42
    Hasluck 65.89 -23.35
    Casey 72.19 -23.33
    Isaacs 70.23 -23.27
    Fadden 66.51 -23.12
    O’Connor 68.79 -23.03
    Pearce 65.42 -22.99
    Corio 71.04 -22.84
    Blair 70.16 -22.78
    Cooper 69.67 -22.67
    Curtin 69.36 -22.64
    Parramatta 66.98 -22.63
    Spence 67.97 -22.57
    Kingston 70.63 -22.54
    Corangamite 73.3 -22.49
    Jagajaga 72.79 -22.47
    Fremantle 68.84 -22.39
    Durack 63.04 -22.31
    Adelaide 69.28 -22.24
    Fraser 68.09 -22.01
    Hindmarsh 70.86 -21.99
    Makin 71.14 -21.98
    Aston 72.33 -21.96
    Boothby 71.7 -21.91
    Griffith 69.24 -21.81
    Gellibrand 69.1 -21.79
    Groom 71.28 -21.77
    Forde 67.77 -21.72
    Burt 65.55 -21.44
    Reid 70.46 -21.25
    Brand 67.45 -21.01
    Clark 72.74 -20.9
    La Trobe 68.66 -20.56
    Goldstein 73.16 -20.56
    Bass 73.55 -20.49
    Macnamara 69.66 -20.28

    and on, and on, and on, not a single electorate isn’t impacted.

    Somebody had better say something about this because this is historic, and if no explanation is offered people are going to start theorising about the election.

  33. Fleeced Avatar
    Fleeced

    From old Fred:

    Also no one elected from … Christian Democratic Party

    CDP doesn’t exist anymore, Monty. Try to keep up.

    There was a bit of squabbling in-house and they went into receivership and were disbanded by the court. Fred Nile (yeah, he’s still alive) is too paranoid about potential successors stabbing him in the back, so the old dinosaur keeps stuffing things up. Though the cynic in me wonders if the Libs just didn’t need them anymore, with Optional Preferential now being a thing (they likely would have propped them up, otherwise).

    I do know a few religious types who didn’t know who to vote for without CDP or FF. Which is odd, because they were never that great.

    Anyway, LDP was always going to split the vote with Clive and Pauline, but the big surprise was the Legalise Cannabis party. They outpolled LDP significantly, despite it being a policy of LDP to legalise it.

    In Australia, personality politics or single issue is what gets you a senate gig. LDP might have to change strategy when they change their name.

  34. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Someone here last night mentioned CBA Term Deposits at 2.25% for 18 months.
    AMP is offering 2.9% for 12 months (minimum $25k).

  35. Tom Avatar
    Tom

    twostixsays:
    May 24, 2022 at 2:02 pm
    Nearly 30% of Australian voters boycotted the election.

    Those numbers ARE astonishing: turnout in our compulsory voting elections is usually above 90%.

    Twostix’s post should be a standalone post. It tells us much about the historic disengagement of Australians in this election and the unpopularity of the establishment parties.

    It’s also breaking news: I haven’t read a word about it in the establishment media.

  36. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    I haven’t seen ‘2000 mules’ yet but they have footage of the same people making multiple drops and visits to GOTV locations, and the like.

    No they don’t. They have phone data of people going to multiple drop boxes and footage of people who they geo-traced, acting suspiciously at single drop box locations e.g. going early in the morning, coming from interstate, taking photos (proof for payment) and dropping off multiple ballots. However they do not have footage of the same person going to multiple boxes.

    This is the flaw that lefties use to debunk the movie. D’Souza claims they don’t have the footage from some states because they either (illegally) didn’t turn the cameras on, or the state refused to provide it. For the places where they did get footage, there wasn’t enough provided or it was unclear. He rightly claims that it isn’t required because the geo-data is irrefutable.

  37. twostix Avatar
    twostix

    I cross referenced the turnout numbers against the voting numbers. They’re identical and those turnout numbers are up to date, seats like Moreton are 100% counted are reporting only 65% turnout.

    So don’t let anyone say they “just need to update the figures” or something dumb. No.

  38. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    Nearly 30% of Australian voters boycotted the election.

    Wow. That is unbelievable. 30% of Aussies not worrying about a fine! Pull the other one.

    I’m calling shenanigans. What was the previous record?

  39. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    On Jacqui Jackie’s dubious claims eight years ago….

    Jacqui Lambie’s Indigenous heritage claims surprise members of Tasmania’s Aboriginal community

    ABC of all places…

  40. Winston Smith Avatar

    Grey Ranga:

    Please let 350 giraffes hit canberra but only when parliament is sitting.

    It won’t matter – even if it was just the shit from 350 Giraffes, it’d be enough to turn Australia into ash that would muddy the Pacific.

  41. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    So don’t let anyone say they “just need to update the figures” or something dumb. No

    Pre-polls and postals added back?

  42. m0nty Avatar

    They don’t just have tracking data, they also have video surveillance of dropbox visits to cross-match with the former.

    There was no cross-matching of video surveillance with cellphone tracking data.

    In some states, in an attempt to bolster its claims, True the Vote also highlighted drop box surveillance footage that showed voters depositing multiple ballots into the boxes. However, there was no way to tell whether those voters were the same people as the ones whose cellphones were anonymously tracked.

    This is some weak tea. Previously-convicted criminal Dinesh D’Souza has no credibility.

  43. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    so I take it the DLP is kaput too? Too much infighting I suspect

  44. twostix Avatar
    twostix

    My theory: unvaccinated and covid state power aggrieved people boycotted the election.

    I know two people that did. I held my nose and voted for Chaos but ultimately put LNP before Labor at the bottom – but it disgusted me to do any of it, I fully understand them, I couldn’t have cared less about the entire thing in the lead up.

    The establishment problem, if they address this and confirm that people stayed home en-masse….uh-oh!
    1. Mandate? lol!
    2. The number becomes a rough proxy for how many unvaccinated people there are….a lot more than 5%.
    2a. But the lies Feb 2021 – Feb 2022! A rotten state and system from top to bottom, it must fall, surely!
    3. Why has nobody said anything about this historic event straight away? Very sneaky are our overlords as they weave their sneaky narrative of a New Leftwing Australia without mentioning that 4+ million people boycotted the whole thing (absolutely allowing the green win in Brisbane and at least a couple of teal wins) – there was no magical surge, there was a boycott, a loss of votes from the system creating the illusion of an increase in others.
    5. They have created millions of militant activists who now reject the entire system.

  45. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Wow. That is unbelievable. 30% of Aussies not worrying about a fine! Pull the other one.

    I dunno, Jupes.

    The AEC is historically remarkably lenient if you have an excuse to present when they drop the ‘Show Cause Why We Shouldn’t Fine You’ slip in the mail.

    I once got done for not voting in a NSW Council election in 2007- I was in transit to Holsworthy from Wagga Wagga for a week-long exercise on the day.

    When I explained this on the form and sent it back, I never heard another word.

    My $50 was safe… 🙂

  46. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    This is some weak tea. Previously-convicted criminal Dinesh D’Souza has no credibility.

    Welp, the Fat Man doesn’t like it. It must be true…

    How’s that Muellerween going for you, Benito M0ntylini? The walls closed in, yet?

  47. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    “I’m making this up” is when a comment commences with “So what you’re saying is… “

    Yes, a fair point.

  48. Winston Smith Avatar

    Posted with no further comment atm.

    A first rapid phylogenetic analysis of the draft genome … indicates that the 2022 virus belongs to the [milder] West African clade and is most closely related to viruses associated with the exportation of monkeypox virus from Nigeria to several countries in 2018 and 2019, namely the United Kingdom, Israel and Singapore.

  49. Fleeced Avatar
    Fleeced

    so I take it the DLP is kaput too? Too much infighting I suspect

    I think they run afoul of new naming legislation much as LDP did. LDP used a loophole to run and will simply change their name for future (likely back to Liberty and Democracy Party). DLP just didn’t contest. I suspect they’ll come back in some form. They even spelled Labour properly, but still got whacked.

  50. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    Good news about banks finally offering to pay for having your money to play with.

    I might mosey on down to my local branch and see what they are prepared to offer. Even if I agree, I’ll keep half of it back for the even better offer which will be forthcoming.

  51. Fleeced Avatar
    Fleeced

    I once got done for not voting in a NSW Council election in 2007- I was in transit to Holsworthy from Wagga Wagga for a week-long exercise on the day.

    I had a similar notice for NSW council elections. The fine for council election is higher than that of missing the state election, which is higher than that of the Federal election. The more useless the election, the bigger the fine.

    Anyway, I just sent back as my just cause that, “I didn’t know there was an election”. This was apparently sufficient, as I didn’t hear anything else on the matter.

  52. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    This is some weak tea. Previously-convicted criminal Dinesh D’Souza has no credibility.

    And yet he’s never advocated for violence against others.

  53. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    DLP had a Senate from Vicco – John Madigan. Unfortunately no longer with us. There was some big bust up between him an the DLP. The smaller parties just can’t afford this sort of nonsense.

  54. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    I think it’s worth voting in the senate- considered spoiling my ballot for HoR but voted formally in the end.

  55. Struth Avatar

    Maybe their votes went missing, Two stix.
    We’ll wait for Sancho’s verdict once he consults Koshie.

    I mean it’s just about the percentage the freedom parties looked like getting according to poles.

    You don’t boycott when there are parties pushing for freedom.

  56. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    There was no cross-matching of video surveillance with cellphone tracking data.

    Yes there is. All the footage shown was cross-matched with the geo-data. Often the mule was the only one there because it was in the middle of the night. One woman shown had even crossed state lines to visit multiple drop boxes.

    Fail! Try again.

  57. Barry Avatar
    Barry

    I replied to an AEC “please explain” letter very simply:

    “I voted” was the text.

    No further communications.

    I suspect if you don’t incriminate yourself, they won’t bother to proceed.

  58. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Twostix,
    Cool your jets.
    I have a candidate explanation.

    Those turnout figures surely must be the in-person Election day turnout, which does not include the other ways of voting. If you get the General Declaration Votes by Division data, add the Declaration votes, Pre-poll votes, and postal votes into the turnout from that first sheet, you get average 90.8% participation. Slightly lower than previous years, but not by much.
    So now to test this hypothesis by finding what they define those columns to be, what actually do they mean by “Turnout”.

  59. P Avatar
    P

    johanna says:
    May 24, 2022 at 2:56 pm

    I might mosey on down to my local branch and see what they are prepared to offer. Even if I agree, I’ll keep half of it back for the even better offer which will be forthcoming.

    Under the FCS, the Government guarantees deposits up to a cap of $250,000 per account-holder, per ADI.

  60. Winston Smith Avatar

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/banana-republic-pennsylvania-still-not-counted-provisional-military-ballots-gop-senate-primary-race-results-allegheny-county-not-expected-monday/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=2022-05-20

    The Gateway Pundit reported extensively on how Democrats were stealing military ballots in several battleground states during the 2020 election. This was a national tragedy that was ignored by the media.

    And now we hear the military ballots have yet to be counted in Pennsylvania? This is complete lawlessness and should concern every American.

  61. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    m0nster at 2:44.
    Before you comment we’d like to run you through the Cat credibility-ometer test.
    Q1 – Do you now believe, or have you ever believed, in the contents of the Steele/Mueller Wussia file?

  62. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “132andBushsays:
    May 24, 2022 at 3:02 pm
    This is some weak tea. Previously-convicted criminal Dinesh D’Souza has no credibility.

    And yet he’s never advocated for violence against others.”

    Oh but the adolescent Monty doesn’t mind some violence from his side, after all such people have “legitimate grievances”.

    As for D’Souza, his charges and subsequent imprisonment was purely political.

  63. Leon L. Avatar
    Leon L.

    Good find twostixs.

    AEC results for ASTON, VIC

    Top right hand corner has this:
    Aston (VIC)

    Eligible electors:109,826
    Turnout:72.33%
    Informality:3.19%

    Near the bottom there is an analysis of the vote by booth.
    In the prepoll analysis, for all electorates, the number is 0.
    So assume these are counted as a poll day vote.
    It does say 100% counted TPP in every seat I looked at.
    The turnout is closer to 80% across NSW but 70% elsewhere.

  64. Winston Smith Avatar

    https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2022/05/23/global-gas-crunch-claims/

    A gas seller that supplied 7% of the eastern Australian market has collapsed due to soaring global gas prices, the first significant casualty in the country from the global gas supply crisis due to sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.

    Any other information on this?

  65. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Bugger! The turnout figure is all-inclusive.
    Click the ‘?’ in the top right of the table and …

    Turnout is the number of people who were enrolled to vote that ‘turned up’ to cast a vote via any voting method.

    (ahem)
    Twostix.
    Fire up your jets.

  66. Struth Avatar

    Phone voting this year was big, all you had to pretend is you had a cough.

    You then rang up, GOT YOUR NAME, or somebody’s, CROSSED OFF, and voted for the greens and teals, no matter who you thought you voted for.

  67. Winston Smith Avatar

    Antifa Terrorist Convicted of 4 Counts of Attempted Manslaughter for Shooting at Driver Trying to Flee Rioters — Gets NO Prison Time — Shot and Injured 2 Fellow Protesters

    I don’t know whether to chuck ‘im back in the big house, or give him another gun!

    One family in a vehicle attempted to drive through the crowd of protesters that were walking on I-225 in Aurora, Colorado. That’s when an angry protester pulled out a gun and started shooting. The terrorist shot other protesters while trying to shoot the driver of the car.

  68. Bourne1879 Avatar
    Bourne1879

    Jupes sums up 2000 Mules well.

    I have not watched but seen it reviewed by Robert Barnes on Viva Frei and also a good detailed interview of Dinesh D Souza on Megyn Kelly last week where Dinesh goes into the footage issue.

    One of their criteria for the geo tracking was looking for people coming from certain “get out the vote” organisations. Can’t remember where I saw it but one mentioned is the Stacy Abrahms led one in Georgia. Dinesh mentioned the mules taking off gloves after doing this drops. This was apparently because of a mule being arrested somewhere based on his fingerprints.

    It is not a problem most places to drop your own or family members votes but it is illegal to do it for others in most places. $10 per ballot was mentioned and can see some of the mules taking photo of their drop as need to prove they have done if before paid.

    Apparently the budget for getting the geo tracking info etc was US$2m. Some may recall Steve Crowder did a great segment soon after election by checking voter roll against actual physical addresses, Google earth and whether courier company said could make a delivery. Got a student to visit over one hundred dodgy addresses in Las Vegas.

    Can’t remember which podcast mentioned it but Trump pulled in over $100 million after the election to fight the result. A bit more funding of geo tracking stuff and street work might have got a result.

    However difficult to do in the several weeks from election to swearing in of Biden.

  69. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Antifa Terrorist Convicted of 4 Counts of Attempted Manslaughter for Shooting at Driver Trying to Flee Rioters — Gets NO Prison Time — Shot and Injured 2 Fellow Protesters”

    I’m sure he was let off because of his “legitimate grievances”.

  70. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    Oh but the adolescent Monty doesn’t mind some violence from his side, after all such people have “legitimate grievances”.

    Yes.
    There’s something wrong in Monty’s core.
    He thinks not, of course, but the hypocrisy and venom seeps out at times.

  71. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Heard a second-hand story, from a bloke I’d trust, about a Navy camp in upstate Georgia being locked down for a week after their ballot boxes were counted as 90% Biden.

  72. Behind Enemy Lines Avatar
    Behind Enemy Lines

    twostix says:
    May 24, 2022 at 2:02 pm

    The voter turnout numbers from the AEC site are astonishing.

    Nearly 30% of Australian voters boycotted the election.

    I suspect the 30% comprises voters who either voted by mail or came early. The answer’s not obvious from the spreadsheet. But an implied 40% refusal to vote in the electorate of Melbourne (for example) sounds implausible.

    I’m happy to be proved wrong. In fact, I’d be delighted to be proved wrong.

  73. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    the hypocrisy and venom seeps out at times

    that’s for sure

  74. calli Avatar
    calli

    The turnout figures are astonishing at first glance. As I mull over my own attitude to this election, I become less astonished.

    Perhaps voters have preemptively disenfranchised themselves rather than waiting for some bugger to do it to them. The last politically decisive act they can make.

  75. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    It’s all stops out by the marxist establishment in the US to completely destroy the place- socially and economically. They are very angry that Americans didn’t vote for the lesbian bitch in 2016 and this is their punishment. Of course it was always their intention to the destroy the place.

  76. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    DC- district of corruption. Very true.

  77. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Anyway, I just sent back as my just cause that, “I didn’t know there was an election”. This was apparently sufficient, as I didn’t hear anything else on the matter.

    Presumably this would work given that the AEC probably didn’t fulfill the notification requirements?

  78. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    Albanese government turns back first boat

    The question is: will the ABC run a boat score card like they did with Abbott?

  79. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    1. If I hear any more remarks from commentators or pollies saying that the Libs have to reset their policies to appeal more to the working class/ middle class vote, I’ll throw up. I don’t want to vote for people who can reset their policies. I want to know what they believe in and be confident that they will follow their convictions.
    2. Reported that 12/18 of the poorest seats are held by the coalition while 7/8 of the wealthiest seats are held by left parties/ groups.
    3. I’m told that the Nats haven’t lost a seat for ten years
    4. Very “healthy” discussion here. A lot of posts coming in the bag the right/centre right. I suppose that is why they visit the site.
    5. BTW, I’m a great fan of Dinesh D’Souza and some of the critics here should watch more of his lectures especially at YFA.

  80. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    A first rapid phylogenetic analysis of the draft genome … indicates that the 2022 virus belongs to the [milder] West African clade

    WHO & co are still desperately trying to gin up heinous bat crud also, but it ain’t cooperating either.

    Study finds COVID-19 subvariant BA.2 does not cause more severe illness than BA.1 (23 May)

    In other words BA.2 is on par with the common cold just like BA.1 is.

  81. Old bloke Avatar
    Old bloke

    Nearly 30% of Australian voters boycotted the election.

    Postal votes still to come?

  82. calli Avatar
    calli

    Heh. Perhaps my comment was influenced by Dover’s choice of painting.

  83. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    Couple of typos above should read “coming in to bag” and “YAF” (Young Americas Foundation).

  84. calli Avatar
    calli

    Turnout is the number of people who were enrolled to vote that ‘turned up’ to cast a vote via any voting method.

    That’s what’s on the AEC site. Hmmm.

  85. Struth Avatar

    That’s a long shit the sneerers are taking all of a sudden.

  86. Fleeced Avatar
    Fleeced

    Presumably this would work given that the AEC probably didn’t fulfill the notification requirements?

    No idea. This was back before council elections were synchronised – and I genuinely had no idea there was one.

  87. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “the Libs have to reset their policies to appeal “

    The Liberals don’t need to “reset” their policies. They need to revert to their policies….you know, such policies as free speech, individual liberty, religious freedom, small and medium sized businesses….all trashed under Morrison.

  88. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    If the ON, LDP and UAP preferences flow the way one would expect, the coalition looks set to return three senators. Good chance The Greens could pinch a senate spot from Labor.

  89. 2dogs Avatar
    2dogs

    The voter turnout numbers from the AEC site are astonishing.

    Nearly 30% of Australian voters boycotted the election.

    Such an irregularity is grounds for a challenge in the court of disputed returns. Not voting is an “illegal practice”, and there is a risk that potential voters were intimidated.

  90. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    RE: Post at 4:11pm. Referring to NSW.

  91. P Avatar
    P

    TheLastRefuge
    @TheLastRefuge2
    ·
    2h
    If Monkey Pox spreads by how the experts generally say it spreads, then I can see why DC would be disproportionately alarmed

    https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1528948891609178112

  92. calli Avatar
    calli

    Have to agree with you Cassie. I didn’t leave the Libs. They left me.

  93. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    twostixsays:
    May 24, 2022 at 2:02 pm
    The voter turnout numbers from the AEC site are astonishing.

    Nearly 30% of Australian voters boycotted the election.

    Let’s do some Numbers numbers.

    AnAl got a touch over 30% of first preferences, say 32% to allow for sloppy counting. Only a little over 70% bothered to vote, say 72%, same reason.

    So AnAl got 72% of 32% of the total electorate as first preference, which is a very light touch over 23% of the total electorate prefer him. What a convincing (NOT) mandate!

  94. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    Nearly 30% of Australian voters boycotted the election.

    guilty

  95. m0nty Avatar

    It is not a problem most places to drop your own or family members votes but it is illegal to do it for others in most places. $10 per ballot was mentioned and can see some of the mules taking photo of their drop as need to prove they have done if before paid.

    So the theory behind 2000 Mules, you’re telling me, is that legitimate votes were dropped off for $10 a pop, to bypass vote restrictions put in place by Republican officials who were trying to suppress the rights of voters. So each of those votes were cast by real people, you are saying, so morally they are legit even though you can point at some stupid regulation applied by partisan hacks for the express purpose of denying basic human rights.

    Even if what you set out is all true… there is no actual problem here, just GOP ratfscking.

  96. Allen Guthleben Avatar
    Allen Guthleben

    It is interesting to compare postal votes and election day votes
    Most seats have labor, national and minor parties much the same, but the liberal election day vote is down by about 5% compared to postal votes and the green election day vote is up by as much as 10% compared to postal votes
    As Sumner Miller would say, “Why is it so”

  97. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Struthsays:

    May 24, 2022 at 3:10 pm

    Maybe their votes went missing, Two stix.
    We’ll wait for Sancho’s verdict once he consults Koshie.

    I mean it’s just about the percentage the freedom parties looked like getting according to poles.

    So what is the accusation?
    That the difference between the noted “turnout” figure of, say, 70% and a normal turnout of around 90% is largely stolen Fweedom votes?
    Is that it?

  98. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    For those fulminating about ‘turnout’. If you look at the turnout figure at the top of the AEC page (First Preferences by Party) and compare it to the counted votes total at the bottom, they are the same. So the figure they are reporting is the number of votes counted (currently 73.49%).

  99. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Struthsays:

    May 24, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    That’s a long shit the sneerers are taking all of a sudden.

    Someone welded up the floor of me truck.
    Had to get the ankle grinder.

  100. Big_Nambas Avatar
    Big_Nambas

    Predictions are difficult, especially about the future!
    But here goes.
    I think that so many of the surviving liberals are “wets” that the coalition will end. The National Party
    will not be willing to follow the libs any further down the cloimet choinge hole.

  101. bespoke Avatar
  102. Big_Nambas Avatar
    Big_Nambas

    Oh and I resigned from the Liberal Pardy the day after they dumped Abbott for the Labor Leader Turdbull.

  103. Big_Nambas Avatar
    Big_Nambas

    bespoke says:
    May 24, 2022 at 4:26 pm

    1st

    Noice!

  104. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    m0nty says: May 24, 2022 at 4:20 pm

    So the theory behind 2000 Mules, you’re telling me, …

    This is a textbook example of the aforementioned [upthread] discussion of the meaning of “So
    Used when fabricating or verballing a previous comment.

  105. 2dogs Avatar
    2dogs

    is that legitimate votes were dropped off for $10 a pop

    Possibly not legitimate. The suspicion is that these mail in ballots were paid for.

  106. m0nty Avatar

    Yes there is. All the footage shown was cross-matched with the geo-data. Often the mule was the only one there because it was in the middle of the night. One woman shown had even crossed state lines to visit multiple drop boxes.

    That one woman probably had relatives in different electorates she was dropping votes off for.

    There is zero evidence here that wouldn’t be laughed out of court. D’Souza is relying on the blithe gullibility of his marks, and he has chosen them well. You lot will believe any old conspiracist rubbish.

  107. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Patrick Kelly at 4:23.
    If nothing else it is sloppy use of terminology by the AEC.
    Their own glossary describes Turnout as

    The number of enrolled electors who voted in the election.

    If what you say is true, they are not reporting turnout. They are reporting “votes counted so far”.
    Of course, that is the same number when they are all counted.
    Good practice would be to do a control total of ballots cast on election night to ensure they had a number to balance back to as votes are “counted” (or more correctly “classified”) in ensuing days.
    This control total would be “turnout”.

  108. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    twostix

    5. They have created millions of militant activists who now reject the entire system.

    munty’s “anarchists”? Remember the left in the 1960s/1970s? And even recently? Calls to destroy the system, burn it down? The move towards fascism has created, in Marxist-Leninist terms, a “pre-revolutionary” situation. Shiver in yer jocks, munts.

  109. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Every afternoon it’s the same.
    We have to try to get the head back on the chook.

  110. Old bloke Avatar
    Old bloke

    Patrick Kelly says:
    May 24, 2022 at 4:11 pm

    If the ON, LDP and UAP preferences flow the way one would expect, the coalition looks set to return three senators. Good chance The Greens could pinch a senate spot from Labor.

    I don’t know which way the ON and LDP Senate preferences went but there were no preferences to the Liberals, Labor, Greens or Nationals on the UAP how-to-vote recommendations. Their preferences were limited to the “freedom” parties and the Christian Democrats and they expired after six above the line votes.

  111. Struth Avatar

    So what is the accusation?
    That the difference between the noted “turnout” figure of, say, 70% and a normal turnout of around 90% is largely stolen Fweedom votes?
    Is that it?

    Yep.

    The left do the corruption.
    They’re not going to lose Labor votes, you twat.

  112. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Oh and I resigned from the Liberal Pardy the day after they dumped Abbott for the Labor Leader Turdbull.

    I should have- I just didn’t renew in 2017. In retrospect it’s a shame they didn’t lose to the SLF in 2016. Instead it’s been a slow lingering collapse with one betrayal after another.

  113. lotocoti Avatar
    lotocoti

    That one woman probably had relatives in different electorates she was dropping votes off for.

    Somebody is waiting for that Nigerian prince to return his emails.

  114. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Struthsays:

    May 24, 2022 at 4:41 pm

    So what is the accusation?
    That the difference between the noted “turnout” figure of, say, 70% and a normal turnout of around 90% is largely stolen Fweedom votes?
    Is that it?

    Yep.

    Pick an electorate.
    Any electorate.
    Tell me what happened.

  115. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    China Insights

    In May, the Shanghai government coined a new phrase that terrified residents there: indoor disinfection. It means entering private homes to disinfect and kill bacteria.
    If the owner is at home, it’s lucky because the owner can try to intercept the spray or move things around before the spray. If the owner isn’t home, then the home will not only be sprayed without any direction and made a mess but cash and belongings may be missing.
    In the name of reducing the risk of spreading the virus, residents are prohibited from group phrases. They can only receive government-allocated supplies or buy unusually high-priced food or even poor-quality or expired food from designated platforms.

  116. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    Drbeen Medical Lectures

    Why Relapses and Remissions in Chronic Inflammation?

    Dr. William J. Murphy is a scientist with extensive experience with immune and the cancer system interactions. His knowledge of immunology is desperately needed for the chronic illnesses we are observing now a days. I have three questions to run by Dr. Murphy:
    Why do we get relapses and remissions in some chronic inflammatory conditions?
    What is the way to get rid fo the cells that are continuously making inflammatory molecules and antibodies?
    For the vaccine trials what is the importance of mice test in older age mice?

  117. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Here’s one.
    Herbert Qld.
    The AEC currently shows it as having 71.77% turnout.
    The ABC says it is 71.8% counted (which is Patrick’s point).
    Let’s see if that changes over coming days.

  118. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    That one woman probably had relatives in different electorates she was dropping votes off for.

    That’s totally believable m0nty. I’m 100% convinced.
    And I’m sure there’s a similar good reason behind every single one of the instances geo-tracked and filmed.

  119. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Winston Smithsays:
    May 24, 2022 at 3:24 pm
    https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2022/05/23/global-gas-crunch-claims/

    A gas seller that supplied 7% of the eastern Australian market has collapsed due to soaring global gas prices, the first significant casualty in the country from the global gas supply crisis due to sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.

    Any other information on this?

    High gas prices force out NSW retailer Weston</strong>

    NSW’s Weston Energy has become the next casualty of soaring wholesale energy prices, losing its gas-retailing licence after being put in what managing director Garbis Simonian called an “untenable” position.

    The company will cease its gas-trading operations immediately after becoming unable to finance cash flow requirements of its trading portfolio after gas prices tripled since the start of the year, including over 180 per cent since April.

    “Rapidly rising energy prices have put hundreds of Australian businesses, and thousands of jobs at risk,” Mr Simonian said in a statement.

    “The fact that Australia is the world’s largest exporter of coal and gas and yet our domestic prices are at unprecedented high levels, highlights real policy failure.”

    The exit of Weston from gas retailing follows the demise of small Queensland electricity retailer LPE, which last week told its 20,000 customers in Queensland to go to another retailer, as it struggled with cash flow requirements.

    Several smaller energy retailers have been caught in a squeeze caused by soaring wholesale electricity and gas prices, which has increased the cash needed to satisfy the surety needed to secure their trading position. Weston typically offers customers wholesale-based prices rather than take-or-pay contracts based on fixed tariffs.

    Spot gas prices have been trading in the $30-$50 a gigajoule range for weeks, driven higher by increased use of gas for electricity generation amid coal power outages and lower than usual renewable energy generation. High international prices for gas are also thought to be having an impact. Domestic gas prices were trading below $10/GJ for most of last year and early 2022.

    Some gas-based manufacturers that rely on wholesale prices have warned they may have to shut down their plants should current high prices be sustained.

    Mr Simonian voiced frustration at the inaction of successive governments to rein in gas prices for east coast domestic industrial users, particularly when Australia is one of the world’s biggest exporters of LNG.

    “The circumstances now buffeting Australian energy markets have been foreseen for some time, but little has been done to prepare Australia’s energy producers and users for this impact,” he said.

    Weston said it is working with the Australian Energy Market Operator, the Australian Energy Regulator and the Essential Services Commission to ensure gas supply continues to its customers.

    The news comes just days ahead of the AER’s release of the default offer electricity tariffs that will apply for households and small businesses on standing offers as of July 1 in several states.

    The default offers are expected to rise from last year, despite the former Coalition government having promised lower prices under its watch.

  120. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    OB @ 4:40
    Fair point. I’m pretty sure that LDP recommended Libs 6th for above the line Senate voting. Seems to me that, if you are correct, the UAP wasted their Senate votes by not including a potential winner in case the minors failed.

  121. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    2. Reported that 12/18 of the poorest seats are held by the coalition while 7/8 of the wealthiest seats are held by left parties/ groups.

    But, but, but, eeevilll capitalists can’t get those seats, they belong to the noble maaaaates of the rich.

  122. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    LPE set to exit retail energy market as customers depart

    LPE, the small Queensland electricity retail company, will become the first casualty of Australia’s energy crunch, shedding retail customers as it struggles with cash flow requirements, though its CEO denied the company had mismanaged its risk and was instead a victim of a failed energy market.

    A jump of 140 per cent in the wholesale cost of producing electricity has stoked fears about the capacity of households to cope with bigger bills, while the viability of smaller retailers has been questioned.

    LPE on Thursday told its 20,000 customers in Queensland it could not compete against its rivals, sending shares down 15 per cent.

    Chief executive Damien Glanville told The Australian Financial Review on Friday the company expects to entirely exit the retail market as its customers heed advice to seek alternative suppliers.

    While some analysts have accused struggling companies of failing to prepare, Mr Glanville denied the company had mismanaged its risk, insisting it was hamstrung by the soaring wholesale electricity price.

    “It’s cash flow. Our hedged positions are brilliant. It’s really about how you manage cash flow and your obligations to [Australian Energy Market Operator AEMO] and the only way you can do that under the archaic method is to retract your customer numbers to support it,” Mr Glanville said.

    “We’ve been supporting it all this time, but the market keeps getting worse and worse and at some point you conclude that it is safer to retract than grow.”

    Mr Glanville said LPE’s hedging strategies have consistently been in the money, but these would pay out five weeks after the company was required to pay daily credit to AEMO, which were linked to the wholesale electricity price.

    “We had $10 million in cash sitting with AEMO, which for a small business is a lot of money,” said Mr Glanville. “And it can vary, Monday it was a million dollars, and today it was $220,000.”

    Finger pointing at state government

    Mr Glanville said the root cause of the LPE’s cash flow issue is, however, the soaring cost of wholesale electricity.AEMO’s daily capital security is linked to the wholesale prices, which have rallied significantly in parts of the country most dependent on coal for its generation.

    AEMO last month said Queensland endured the highest average wholesale electricity prices in the first three months of 2022, totalling $150/MWh. AEMO said this is the second-highest average price recorded for that region in any quarter since the NEM began.

    Much of the rise in wholesale electricity generation prices stems from soaring prices for coal amid a global energy crunch fuelled by Russia’s war in Ukraine that left much of Europe looking to switch away from Moscow’s gas supplies.

    The situation got worse when some 30 per cent Australia’s coal power capacity was offline as the country’s ageing infrastructure requires regular maintenance and suffers unplanned outages.

    “Why did Annastacia Palaszczuk let this happen? If the state government owns the assets, and they wanted to keep them to make sure energy prices were fair and competitive, what is she doing wrong?” Mr Glanville asked, referring to the Queensland premier.

    Mr Glanville said he expects other smaller retail companies to also announce a contraction as wholesale electricity prices show little sign of abating.

    The two main political parties have tried to sway voters, saying they will cut power bills, although analysts insist little can be done in the short term to reduce bills, and analysts said it will expose some companies.

    “Think we’re about to find out which electricity retailers have been skinny-dipping,” said Dylan McConnell, research fellow at the University of Melbourne’s climate and energy college, citing a quote from Warren Buffett about only when the tide goes out do you discover who has been swimming naked,

  123. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    calli says: May 24, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    Turnout is the number of people who were enrolled to vote that ‘turned up’ to cast a vote via any voting method.

    That’s what’s on the AEC site. Hmmm.

    Yeah, and I think if they meant only physically in person they would not have put “turned up” in those scare quotes and they would not have doubled-down by saying “via any method”. https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseTurnoutByDivision-27966-NAT.htm
    National “Turnout” of 73%.

    So that’s where the protest vote went. The 27% of refusers is more people than the total of every ‘minor’ party and the Greens combined.

    Two-party preferred, ALP: 5,068,668
    Two-party preferred, LNP: 4,647,690
    First Preferences, LNPs: 4,009,201
    First Preferences, ALP: 3,737,779
    Refused to participate? : 4,566,356

    The refuseniks are more than the 1st preferences of each of the 1st and 2nd place parties.

    That definition again…

    Turnout is the number of people who were enrolled to vote that ‘turned up’ to cast a vote via any voting method.
    These results are not final.

    Not final, yeah, but what are the chances they will go up 25% during the week?

    More AEC figures…
    Enrolled electors: 17,228,900
    Turnout (??) : 12,662,544
    Number of postal votes received: 2,071,085
    National average postal votes: 5.25%.

    They’ve received back 2 million postal votes. OK, how does that add up? There should be 664k postals if that’s a 5.25% of votes, or it’s 904k postals if percentage of all electors, and yet the received count is more than double those?
    Okay, so one possibility is they have a bunch of 1,400,000 postal votes that are still in envelopes and haven’t been counted. Does that also mean they haven’t been examined to determine which voter to tick off the roll and so they have not been counted as ‘turning up’ yet? Because even so that is still 2.2M who didn’t bother to vote.

  124. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    So the theory behind 2000 Mules, you’re telling me, is that legitimate votes were dropped off for $10 a pop, to bypass vote restrictions put in place by Republican officials who were trying to suppress the rights of voters.

    You sound like that moll who interviewed Jordan Peterson. Just as wrong too.

    No. I am saying that (Democrat aligned) NGOs ILLEGALLY collected ILLEGITIMATE votes from aged care homes, universities, letter boxes and the like, then distributed them to 2000 mules who dropped on average 190 ballots each at multiple drop boxes for payment.

  125. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    munty

    So the theory behind 2000 Mules, you’re telling me, is that legitimate votes were dropped off for $10 a pop, to bypass vote restrictions put in place by Republican officials who were trying to suppress the rights of voters.

    No stupid, that is not what is claimed, much as you might like to pretend that it is. Read again, and try (difficult for you, we know) to comprehend.

  126. pete of perth Avatar
    pete of perth

    Monty’s throwing his lot in with the lobsters.

  127. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    That one woman probably had relatives in different electorates she was dropping votes off for.

    LOL. Yes but decided to drop them all off at a couple of dozen different drop boxes in the same electorate. While wearing rubber gloves.

    Nothing to see here.

  128. Fleeced Avatar
    Fleeced

    Ah crap, I posted in wrong thread. Here we go again:

    Turnout by state, as per https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/Downloads/HouseTurnoutByStateDownload-27966.csv

    StateNm EligibleElectors Turnout TurnoutPercentage TurnoutSwing
    New South Wales 5472469 4282930 78.26 -13.9
    Victoria 4344208 3131759 72.09 -20.53
    Queensland 3503609 2461579 70.26 -20.96
    Western Australia 1773969 1216623 68.58 -21.47
    South Australia 1272047 916976 72.09 -20.98
    Tasmania 402331 312676 77.72 -16.62
    Australian Capital Territory 314329 252945 80.47 -12.68
    Northern Territory 145938 96019 65.79 -12.15

    Is… is that the final turnout figure?

    Looking at the candidate votes by type, prepoll columns are zero. In fact, all but normal and postal votes are zero. No idea what that means… other than that the data isn’t final?

    Even if it’s not final, if turnout swing is a mere 2% less than normal, then the swing to “None of the Above” was greater than the swing to ALP.

  129. twostix Avatar
    twostix

    If what you say is true, they are not reporting turnout. They are reporting “votes counted so far”.

    No they’re not you fucking retard.

    Moreton is 100% counted and reporting 65% turnout.

    The same data for Moreton in 2019 reports 91% turnout. Have they not finished counting 2019’s votes yet you midwitted clown?

    You are by far the dumbest person on this site. Dumber than m0nty even.

  130. m0nty Avatar

    No. I am saying that (Democrat aligned) NGOs ILLEGALLY collected ILLEGITIMATE votes from aged care homes, universities, letter boxes and the like, then distributed them to 2000 mules who dropped on average 190 ballots each at multiple drop boxes for payment.

    These votes were legitimately cast, you’re telling me, but they were “illegitimately” delivered according to some stupid regulation. In other words, you are supporting the disenfranchisement of these voters through meaningless red tape put in place by Republicans specifically to disenfranchise these people.

    Even if this scheme was real – which is an extremely long bow to draw given the scant evidence for it – it would be delivering votes from real registered voters and would be righteously supportive of small-d democratic principle.

  131. calli Avatar
    calli

    It is possible that numeracy and literacy are not high on the AEC’s list of employment qualifications.

    But London to a brick, I’ll bet they’re inclusive . 😀

  132. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    As I expected. On AEC site the voting figures have just been update to 73.59% turnout with a matching 73.59% total count. Touche.

  133. Fleeced Avatar
    Fleeced

    Moreton is 100% counted and reporting 65% turnout.

    100% counted of those returned?

    Don’t give AEC too much credit for how they report.

  134. twostix Avatar
    twostix

    The purpose is to seed as many contra-narratives in early as possible so as to destroy the incoming government throughout its term.

    “If you’re explaining you’re losing” they love to say as they unleash another fabrication.

    1. Electoral boycott.
    If that resolves simply move onto
    2. Labor only won because of the Liberal civil war and the liberal blue blood millionaires threw the election to them.

    Don’t worry about details, logic is power’s muzzled gimp.

    We’ve learned a lot in the last six years see.

  135. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    twostix says: May 24, 2022 at 5:07 pm

    Moreton is 100% counted and reporting 65% turnout.

    Try scrolling all the way to the bottom of the page you linked to.
    They still have over 14,400 envelopes yet to be opened, which is 13k postals and 1200 declarations. That’s more than the Greens vote in Moreton.

  136. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    As of 12:46 (latest update) The AEC reports 65.16 of the vote counted in Moreton. That figure would be based on the total enrolment as they are yet to discover how many voters voted.

  137. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    On AEC site the voting figures have just been update to 73.59% turnout with a matching 73.59% total count.

    Rather absurd tracking two different terms that will apparently always have the same value?

  138. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    These votes were legitimately cast, you’re telling me,

    No, you stupid moll. They were ILLEGITIMATE. The ballots of dead and demented people stolen from aged care homes where they are still on the rolls. Ballots from students stolen from unis where they no longer attend. Ballots stolen from letter boxes. Ballots from illegally registered deros.

    In some states, every registered person had a ballot sent to them. Many people went to vote and were told they had already done so. The Democrats have been vote harvesting for years. In 2020 they increased the operation massively in targeted electorates.

  139. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Gee the United States disgusts me now.

  140. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    @twostix
    Before one goes around abusing people it often helps to get hold of a few facts.
    In Moreton the booths have been counted. All in.
    Absentee votes 0% None
    Provisional Votes (whatever they are) 0% None
    Declaration Votes (whatever they are) 0% None
    Postal Votes 8.6%.
    Let’s have a bit more courtesy. No one is going to be convinced to vote for a party represented by numbskulls.

  141. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    … which is an extremely long bow to draw given the scant evidence for it …

    They have geo-tracked 2000 mules going to a minimum of 10 drop boxes and a minimum of five NGOs. But they were just dropping off a couple of votes for Grandma right M0nty?

    You idiot.

  142. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    They have geo-tracked 2000 mules going to a minimum of 10 drop boxes and a minimum of five NGOs. But they were just dropping off a couple of votes for Grandma right M0nty?

    mutley just can’t face the hard fact that the left is a corrupt kleptocracy

  143. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    In new government news:

    Marles reports OSB has turned back their first boat under Labor & will continue to do so.

    Chalmers reports inflation has a way to go yet.

  144. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    Gee the United States disgusts me now.
    Australia disgusts me now.

  145. Struth Avatar

    Here’s the rub.

    Drop kicks like Sancho believe all is above board.
    Yet who counts the postal votes?

    Have you guys heard of initial scrutiny, or the dirty count, followed by the behind closed doors fresh count…the count going on now?
    The count only done by AEC public servants, obviously all militant lefties, and that must be assumed…..counts the postals and Re -counts what the scrutineers see on the day.
    The count arseholes like Sancho know are happening.

    Is that open to becoming a problem?

    I’m only an average joe, but at least I ask fucking questions, knowing the criminality of government.

  146. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    This is from the police force who can’t get enough recruits because they want to charge $17k for training:

    The NSW Police force is considering changing the iconic light blue uniform currently worn by officers to a darker shade, the NSW Police Minister Paul Toole announced on Tuesday.

    Details of the possible change were outlined at the Police Association of NSW Biannual Conference being held in Wollongong where the Minister said there was a committee currently looking at the changes and expected a decision in the coming months.

    A number of prototypes have already been manufactured and trialled by officers with a new dark navy blue shirt with mesh sides lining the garment from the hip to the underarm, the most likely option if the change is given the green light.

    Minister Toole said it was a colour that was a “key feature of the uniform … which flatters all body types.”

    He added that a committee was working on the uniform with more details to be announced in the coming months.

    Daily Tele

  147. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Gee the United States disgusts me now.
    Australia disgusts me now.

    most of the cultural marxist shit polluting our society has come across from the US- think Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan and Kate Millet. Think critical race theory. Think gender fluidity.

  148. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Patrick Kellysays:

    May 24, 2022 at 4:58 pm

    OB @ 4:40
    Fair point. I’m pretty sure that LDP recommended Libs 6th for above the line Senate voting.

    Not in Victoria they didn’t.
    I used theirs as a guide and shuffled the Libs in to prevent the vote exhausting. Plus juggled Clive’s boy down and pushed PHON up.

    Seems to me that, if you are correct, the UAP wasted their Senate votes by not including a potential winner in case the minors failed.

    Exactly my point above. No matter how much the Libs have been a let-down, I refuse to wave through a Greens/ALP senator. And that is exactly what you are doing if you vote six minors and none of them get near a quota.

  149. Struth Avatar

    Gee the United States disgusts me now.

    The United States is a shining light of freedom compared to this shit hole.

    Never have they not been able to leave the country.
    They are armed.
    They have more Christianity.
    They are our only hope.
    Have some fucking respect, Hivizistan peasant.

  150. dover0beach Avatar

    No they don’t.

    I stand corrected.

  151. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Declaration Votes (whatever they are) 0

    Declaration votes include votes in person outside your registered electorate. I am enrolled in Curtin but voted in a Swan polling station.

  152. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Have some fucking respect, Hivizistan peasant.

    piss off

  153. min Avatar
    min

    I was speaking with a woman at hairdressers today she owns a childcare business . She said they are barely surviving after Covid and flu and would go under if wages went up . Many small businesses would suffer same fate.

  154. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    These votes were legitimately cast, you’re telling me, but they were “illegitimately” delivered according to some stupid regulation.

    Stupid is as stupid does. munty will never, ever, accept that the DemonRats have ever fudged a single vote.

    “some stupid regulation”. Yeeeeessss, election law is important to you until it isn’t. Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Whiskey India Tango.

  155. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Minister Toole said it was a colour that was a “key feature of the uniform … which flatters all body types.”

    And….. well…… to be honest we were after something with a bit more of a Nazi vibe to it!

  156. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    You are by far the dumbest person on this site. Dumber than m0nty even.

    Well, that is possible but I would contend that it is a Melbourne Cup (or should I say Doomben Cup) field.
    Also, in my defence, I can add up and read, so that gives me the jump on some.
    As for jumping to conclusions, I admit I am just not competitive there.

  157. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Mongistan Public Transport Mask Compliance Report:

    Today’s Rating is High to Moderately High with a low chance of enforcement.

  158. Struth Avatar

    most of the cultural marxist shit polluting our society has come across from the US- think Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan and Kate Millet. Think critical race theory. Think gender fluidity.

    Think about what you are saying.
    You speak as if this was a bastion of freedom until some yanks came over.

    We’ve got all the same problems the USA has and more, and have had for longer.
    They just air their dirty laundry and you read about it while years later being surprised Australian school kids are crying in the street from Climate Change, protesting Liberal party as directed by their Marxist teachers who are also sexually abusing them.
    This Australian denialism gets a bit hard to put up with to put it mildly.

    Remember all our Marxists from Whitlam on, who loved Chavez and wrote him love letters asking him to come over here and show us how it’s done………We’ve been screwed harder by our Marxists than the USA has ever known.

  159. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    Colonel Crispin Berkasays:
    May 24, 2022 at 3:12 pm

    Those turnout figures surely must be the in-person Election day turnout, which does not include the other ways of voting.

    possibly…

    Check out the AEC website results HoR by division.

    Postal and Ordinary are listed for my division, and the sum of those two matches the numbers in twostix’s list. There’s zeros for “Absent”, “Provisional” and “Declaration pre-poll”. There’s a separate page listing the declaration pre-polls received, so it isn’t zero.

  160. Delta A Avatar
    Delta A

    Zipstersays:
    May 24, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    Good vid, Zippy. Thanks for posting.

  161. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Looking at the candidate votes by type, prepoll columns are zero. In fact, all but normal and postal votes are zero. No idea what that means… other than that the data isn’t final?

    Here’s a guess as to why PrePoll columns are 0.00:
    A Booth might only get 1,000 votes, counting and the 2 candidate Preferred figure are done and dusted by 7:30 pm.
    At a PrePoll Voting Centre there may have been 17,000 votes cast and PrePoll has been counted on the Saturday night at the last 2 elections, Sunday Morning in 2016, and Tuesday onwards before that.

    Since the DRO won’t have the figures for PrePoll until maybe 10 o’clock, he has to take a punt on which 2 Candidates he instructs the ROs at the Booths to distribute Preferences to.
    This is possibly what happened in Hinkler, the DRO didn’t have the PPVC voting numbers so he instructed the ROs to distribute preference4s to Pitt and Jack Dempsey, who was presumed to do very well against Pitt.
    The same probably happened in Griffith, preferences were distributed to Roberts and Butler, since they’d finished 1 & 2 in 2019, but in reality
    Chandler Mather for the Greens had finished First , Roberts for the LNP 2nd, and Butler 3rd.
    If Prepolls are counted Saturday night in NSW and Victoria, then it’s possible that the same mistake was made in the Seats the Teals ended up winning.

  162. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    I expect they are called Declaration votes because before the Internet you were required to declare you were on the roll of your home electorate (which the AEC had no way of checking at the time). Now the roll is electronic and can be seen at home and away polling stations.

  163. Patrick Kelly Avatar
    Patrick Kelly

    @Sancho 5:45
    For Senate I vote below the line. In NSW LDP had Libs 6th on the above the line HTV. I voted 1 LDP first choice; 2 ON first choice; and 3 Molam 3rd Lib and and 4 UAP first choice . After that I went to Shoebridge, No 1 Green and gave him 75 and then worked my way up.

  164. dover0beach Avatar

    Twostix has a series of very interesting comments I’m going to compile into a guest post after dinner. I’m only just catching up to comments around 3.30ish.

  165. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Rogersays:

    May 24, 2022 at 5:37 pm

    In new government news:

    Marles reports OSB has turned back their first boat under Labor & will continue to do so.

    Was Fat Cloive trying to moor the yacht at Circular Quay?
    And please, keep boat talk to a minimum.
    Some find it triggering.

  166. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Patrick.
    I wouldn’t mind betting LDP bumped the Libs out of the top six in Victoria because of their pathetic opposition to Dan Xi Man.
    As it turns out, the UAP guy might squeeze into the last Senate spot in Victoria.

  167. Struth Avatar

    When I want cognitive, clear thinking comments to read, I go to the GAB.
    Mostly Yanks.
    When I want to be thoroughly depressed by the submissive surrender monkeys and gullible trust in government , Australians, here’s a great place to start.
    Honestly twitter has more right wing thinkers these days.
    Such is the sad lot of denialism .

    You can’t for a second contemplate the reality that your country has been taken over FOR TWO YEARS, even after the tyranny you’ve been through and with not one state of emergency yet rescinded, and still show fucking faith in the electoral system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If I told you that you were going to be this insane back in 2019 you would have laughed at me.

    I would have laughed as well.

    We would have all agreed , like Russia, elections in communist countries are a joke.
    Pure theatre.

    Who would have thunk it……….but I learn as well.
    I learn why they still hold such theatre in communist countries.

  168. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    2. Reported that 12/18 of the poorest seats are held by the coalition

    National Party Seats

    … while 7/8 of the wealthiest seats are held by left parties/ groups.

    7 Teal Seats.
    I’d call the Liberal Party a leftist Party, so that figure should probably be 8 out of 8.
    All in all, no real surprises.

  169. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Used when fabricating or verballing a previous comment

    just another version of Begging the Question*
    the idiot cannot form a coherent argument

    *sancho is worse

  170. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Patrick Kellysays:

    May 24, 2022 at 5:19 pm

    As of 12:46 (latest update) The AEC reports 65.16 of the vote counted in Moreton. That figure would be based on the total enrolment as they are yet to discover how many voters voted.

    This is a potential flaw.
    They should do a simple tally of votes cast on the Saturday night.
    That gives a control total to balance to as votes are “counted” (ie allocated to candidates).

  171. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    And please, keep boat talk to a minimum.
    Some find it triggering.

    I initially typed “vote talk” and caught it before posting.

  172. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    This is a piece of commentary from today’s Oz. I don’t know whether someone posted it previously. This young woman provides a superb rundown on the Teals and the Greens…

    Anti-working class vote of the elite fuels teal victory
    LILLIAN ANDREWS

    In the mountain of commentary about the billionaire-backed “tealslide”, nobody has picked up a glaring fact: the animosity of the most affluent electorates towards the Liberals is not because of climate change or women’s equality.

    Those are the excuses that make them feel good about their vote. Underneath, it is because the Liberals have started to speak more about the daily lives of the working class than the pet causes of socially smug doctors’ wives.

    Since the days of John Howard’s battlers and Labor’s lurch to the loony left, we have been witnessing a slow swap in the traditional ground occupied by the two major parties, akin to the reformation in the US of the Democrats from the preferred choice of southern slave owners into holier-than-thou, Hollywood-approved luvvies. Wealthy phonies despise this shift.

    Liberals being unseated by teals, and to a lesser extent Greens, reveals a sector of exceedingly well-off Australians who cannot stand to be confronted with the daily lives of people who are not like them. They do not want “their” party to heed the views of those beneath them. You know, those grubby little people who have to worry about things such as making ends meet for bills, food and daily survival.

    Despite their fake sincerity and motherhood statements about wanting a better world for all, the cashed-up elites care more about pandering to their own luxury concerns and neuroses than dealing with regular old blue-collar issues that affect people they strenuously avoid having to have anything to do with. This is no different to the days when the born-to-rule class sat in grandeur, looked down their noses at the peasants and could give them a swift cuff around the ears without fear of retribution. That is the society the platinum progressives want to recapture, with themselves safely ensconced at the top of the social order where they believe they belong.

    Couple this with the so-called women’s vote, and this points to a real likelihood that the inner-suburbs affluent vote – which apparently is meant to make our country into a kinder, more caring place – is being driven by upper-middle-class women. These blue-blood types desperately want reassurance that they are still the most important people in the world. They secretly yearn for the Liberals to cosset them the way their mothers and grandmothers enjoyed, but instead get social work degrees so they can tell their friends how they’re helping the less fortunate. Then they vote for anybody who allows them to shift their attention away from the people who may make them realise what being less fortunate really means.

    What we are seeing in Australia’s most Scrooge McDuckian suburbs is a dirty, relentless class war, hidden under the guise of progressive politics and greater equality. The silence of platinum progressives when struggling businesses in Sydney’s poorest suburbs were going under and families suffering during Covid restrictions is a case in point. It is the ultimate piece of hypocrisy to pretend to care about progress and equality while doing everything possible to hurt the poor and demolish the social structures, relationships and institutions that the commoners still care about.

    If the Liberals had a clue, they would realise what the platinum progressives are really after and let the teals, Greens and Labor eat each other over the inner-city vote. That fight is only going to hurt Labor elsewhere – as we are starting to see. The Liberals could continue down the path of becoming the new party of the ordinary people and revamp what were once core Labor values of protecting the working class and defending their rights – but without becoming lunatic socialists or captive to the increasingly irrelevant unions.

    They would recognise there are many Australians who still care about things such as being able to say what you like without fear of somebody being offended. They would understand that the wellbeing of the working class goes hand-in-hand with the spread of liberty and would unwind the increasingly authoritarian policies that have undermined centuries of hard-won social freedoms. They would support candidates who genuinely hold these values.

    They would shake off the obsession with victimhood politics, and instead champion the value of hard work and genuine merit rather than promotion based on identity. They would leave fringe progressive causes behind, rather than trying to pander to them, and would focus squarely on the things that directly affect everyday Australians’ quality of life.

    Most important, they would ignore screeching demands to let sulky upper-class women dictate policy and understand those women will be satisfied only with a party that places them at the top of the pecking order – never one that governs for the unwashed masses. Then, and only then, might they take seats from Labor and find their way back to power.

    Lillian Andrews holds a bachelor of laws and has a strong interest in political philosophies, political strategy and social movements. She has never been a member of a political party.

  173. Carpe Jugulum Avatar
    Carpe Jugulum

    Got a notice on twatter

    Alvey fishing reels is closing down.

    I have 2 my Grandfather left me when he passed, the old bakelite ones, still work beautifully.

  174. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    sancho is worse

    Look, I won’t take that to heart.
    Maybe you’re not thinking straight.
    Is it the vax?
    You are vaxxed, right?

  175. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    pathetic opposition to Dan Xi Man

    Essentially smirking support.

  176. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Rogersays:

    May 24, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    And please, keep boat talk to a minimum.
    Some find it triggering.

    I initially typed “vote talk” and caught it before posting.

    We do not comment about on water matters.

  177. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Nothing on their website?

    https://alvey.com.au/

  178. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    In the mountain of commentary about the billionaire-backed “tealslide”, nobody has picked up a glaring fact: the animosity of the most affluent electorates towards the Liberals is not because of climate change or women’s equality.

    Those are the excuses that make them feel good about their vote. Underneath, it is because the Liberals have started to speak more about the daily lives of the working class than the pet causes of socially smug doctors’ wives.

    Former Labor senator and election analyst John Black has concluded that there was a swing towards the LNP among less well to do voters.

    Will anyone in the Liberal Party notice?

  179. Carpe Jugulum Avatar
    Carpe Jugulum

    I’d call the Liberal Party a leftist Party,

    Ed, it’s because they are.

  180. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    duncanm says: May 24, 2022 at 5:56 pm

    That was already dealt with over the two hours between that comment and yours.

    After a brief flurry of excitement provoked by Twostix, the benign facts were admitted and the ambivalent conclusion eventually arrived at by multiple people independently that the “turnout” discrepancy is explained by unallocated ballots and the AEC’s use of the phrase “turnout” is completely misleading. The figure for turnout cannot be changing when no more ballots are being cast, so it isn’t really a turnout figure. They don’t have to know who people voted for to know how many ballots have been cast, it should be enough to count the total – which they have already done, so why not include it in turnout??

    To continue Twostix’ example, Moreton has had 69808 counted so far, plus 14400 unallocated envelopes(uncounted ballots), which is 84200 probable votes from 107128 Moreton plebes, so disregarding informal/spoiled mail-ins they are on track for 79% turnout.
    This is quite a bit more than the AEC’s 65.26% BS they show at the moment, but much less than the 90% expected, and so a sizable protest non-vote.
    This still supports the concern in this thread about legitimacy of mandates etc, just not as bad as it first appeared.

  181. Carpe Jugulum Avatar
    Carpe Jugulum

    rickw says:
    May 24, 2022 at 6:22 pm

    Nothing on their website?

    It was in todays papers

  182. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Got a notice on twatter

    Alvey fishing reels is closing down.

    I have 2 my Grandfather left me when he passed, the old bakelite ones, still work beautifully.

    True, I’m afraid. Vale, Alvey.

  183. Carpe Jugulum Avatar
    Carpe Jugulum

    rickw says:
    May 24, 2022 at 6:22 pm

    Nothing on their website?

    Press announcement from Alvey

  184. dover0beach Avatar

    So the theory behind 2000 Mules, you’re telling me, is that legitimate votes were dropped off for $10 a pop, to bypass vote restrictions put in place by Republican officials

    An illegally submitted vote is not a legitimate vote. Try again.

  185. Carpe Jugulum Avatar
    Carpe Jugulum

    is that legitimate votes were dropped off for $10 a pop, to bypass vote restrictions put in place by Republican officials

    Did you read this before you hit “post comment” .

    This argument is more convoluted than a mobuis strip.

  186. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Ryan is another one
    Preference Distribution of 21,000 votes show LNP leading 51/49
    but the reality is that 71,000 have been counted, LNP has only 27,000,
    The Greens 22,000, Labor 15,000 and the rest fuck all.
    So it’s hard to see how the Greens can’t be called the winners here?

  187. John of Mel Avatar
    John of Mel

    rickw

    Mongistan Public Transport Mask Compliance Report:

    Today’s Rating is High to Moderately High with a low chance of enforcement.

    Oh man… I’ll have to get used to this bs again soon. No, not wearing one – seeing masked compliant populace in close proximity.

  188. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    True, I’m afraid. Vale, Alvey.

    Chinese Malaysian interests bought Alvey 35 years ago.
    My guess is it’s been living on the reputation since, and time ran out?

  189. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    min says: May 24, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    …a woman at hairdressers today .. owns a childcare business . .. they are barely surviving after Covid and flu and would go under if wages went up.

    The Teal caste wanted for nothing during lockdown.
    ALP/Union class never missed a paycheque.
    Their ABC voted themselves a payrise during lockdown.
    Fair Work Commission dished out a payrise or two to most everybody else.

    For these Brahmins, the depredations of 2020/21 did not happen, never mind continue into 2022.
    If it didn’t happen for them, it didn’t happen for anybody.

    They get paid every Friday when an Eagle defecates huge amounts into the palm of their hand.
    They get automatic Annual Leave – and assume everybody else does too.
    They aren’t self-funding.
    They cannot conceptualise a life where there is no such thing as a day off, or a holiday.

    None of them would be able to conceptualise a life maintaining an hourly running graph & spreadsheet of labor to sales ratio. (note: This graph maintenance never stops, not even during “annual leave”)

    They’ve NFI what damage they do when they advocate for, or decree a cost increase, or an increase in paperwork for those in small business or the non-listed private sector.

  190. Bruce in WA Avatar
    Bruce in WA

    Got a notice on twatter

    Alvey fishing reels is closing down.

    I have 2 my Grandfather left me when he passed, the old bakelite ones, still work beautifully.

    Sad day. I have mine from the 80s and Dad’s from the 70s. Both working.

  191. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Chinese Malaysian interests bought Alvey 35 years ago.

    What have you got against Malaysian Chinese, Ed?

    Yes, I believe they bought it 5 or so years ago when the proprietary family got into trouble.

    Still not good news.

  192. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    The figure for turnout cannot be changing when no more ballots are being cast, so it isn’t really a turnout figure. They don’t have to know who people voted for to know how many ballots have been cast, it should be enough to count the total – which they have already done, so why not include it in turnout??

    Validating Postal Votes is done manually.
    The process is conducted at AEC HQ, and the valid envelopes are then sent in small lots to the counting centres.
    The entire process can take 3 weeks.
    So, no, they don’t know how many votes have been cast until they’ve examined all the Postals that have been returned.

  193. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    The Teal caste wanted for nothing during lockdown.

    They outsourced the health risk to the working poor who kept the economy ticking over.

    Dutton needs to push this, as Elbow will be conciliatory towards them.

  194. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    They outsourced the health risk to the working poor who kept the economy ticking over.
    Dutton needs to push this, as Elbow will be conciliatory towards them.

    We were not “All in this together”
    We never were.

  195. dover0beach Avatar

    Twostix compendium/ guest post up (I hope you don’t mind twostix).Can we have the discussion continue there please.

  196. chrisl Avatar
    chrisl

    Malcolm Turnbull would make the perfect leader of the teals. Rich , progressive and cares very very much about climate change. The libs could retreat to the suburbs and rural seats ( along with the Nats) Then maybe form a coalition

  197. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Look, I won’t take that to heart.
    Maybe you’re not thinking straight.
    Is it the vax?
    You are vaxxed, right?

    I’ll tell you what I am
    that is I’m inoculated against gibbering idiots.

    form an argument you fuck-wit

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