Open Thread – Weekend 30 July 2022


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Mater
July 31, 2022 11:27 am

Madam Deputy Acting Speaker, I withdraw the comment. What I had been reading was COVID is a leading cause, not the leading cause, and I got it jumbled up

It’s not even that.
It’s in the bottom four of the eight.

Try again. Perhaps “I was just spruiking leftist talking points” might be more appropriate.

Tom
Tom
July 31, 2022 11:29 am

Wow, Monty, at 11.20am: that was almost an apology. Who knows where that could end up? You could even start questioning your own assumptions (which SA Premier Don Dunstan advised me on when I was a cub reporter. Who knew bisexual Dunstan was a social conservative compared with the Marxist lunatics and poofterati now running the Australian asylum?).

Old bloke
Old bloke
July 31, 2022 11:30 am

Come Monday, the Whitehouse will have a new definition for effective.

The rot with redefining commonly used words started here when Julia sat in the big chair. Macquarie Dictionary had to redefine the word “misogynist” to include men who looked at their watches.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 31, 2022 11:36 am

2 hours ago
Embrace First Nations voice first, finetune later: PM
Jess Malcolm

Anthony Albanese says he will prioritise holding a referendum on an Indigenous voice to parliament before nutting out the finer details of how it would function, reiterating he was “confident” it would succeed.

The Prime Minister said he was trying to avoid past failed referendums when voters were overwhelmed with details, arguing it was important to seize the momentum behind the campaign to legislate an Indigenous advisory body.

He reiterated that there would be no change to the primacy of parliament, and that ongoing consultation with Indigenous communities would be necessary to figure out how the advisory body would work.

“One of the things I’m trying to avoid here – there will be, as occurred at the end of the last century, when a referendum wasn’t successful, people looking for all of the detail and saying well, if you disagree with these 50 clauses, if you disagree with one out of the 50 but 49 are OK, vote no,” Mr Albanese told the ABC’s Insiders program.

“We’re not doing that. We’re not doing that. We’re learning from history. We are about maximising the opportunity there. We’re appealing to the good will of the Australian people and, as I said, the Australian character as I see it.

“That’s why I am optimistic that Australians will embrace this simple concept that where issues affect Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people they are consulted and out of it will come better practical results and outcomes, because you will have that sense of ownership and engagement.

“What I am not going to do is to go down the cul-de-sac of getting into every detail because that is not a recipe for success.”

Mr Albanese said the advisory body would not seek to usurp the power of Parliament, but instead break the “tyranny of powerlessness” in many First Nations communities.

Albo, any “tyranny of powerlessness” in many “First Nations communities” might be caused by the feeling that they are mired in their Stone Age culture, with no way out?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 31, 2022 11:36 am

I wish Monty’s kids the best.

Him? I am prepared to let poetic justice take its own course. And I hope poetic justice has a few drinks first.

A little extra vim.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 11:43 am

Embrace First Nations voice first, finetune later: PM

Um, no. I’m not buying a package until I know what’s in it.

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 11:46 am

After 2 days, COVID 19 is basically done.

(Ivermectin from Horseland, plus the commonly recommended mix of vitamins, Quercetin, Zinc, D3, C. Note that I got the treatment going late because I didn’t realise I had it for at least 2 days.)

Woke up this morning feeling 90%. Kinda like the flu, but much shorter.

The people in charge of Australia, the politicians and health bureaucrats, they’re incompetent fuckwits, they have absolutely no fucking idea.

If they didn’t have their cloistered jobs in the swamp, they’d be bottom rankers stuck in dead end jobs, where they absolutely deserve to be, and where they could do the least possible harm to society.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
July 31, 2022 11:47 am

Remind you of somewhere in Australia?

California’s natural beauty and balmy climate are the envy of every state. Yet a strange thing has happened over the last two years: for the first time in state history, California has begun to shrink.

You wouldn’t know it from Governor Gavin Newsom’s air of public confidence. In the last few weeks, Newsom accepted a national award for education transformation and ran political ads to warn Floridians that their freedom is under attack. In both cases, he offered California’s progressive model as the right fit to reform the rest of America.

But his proud rhetoric doesn’t match California’s declining reality. Americans are voting with their feet to reject Newsom’s California model and heading to the very states that he criticizes.

The central plank of Newsom’s education transformation has been, in essence, to leave poor kids behind. California ranked last of all states in reopening schools after the pandemic, and the poor suffered the most. A study by Harvard economists finds that in states like California, where remote instruction was more common during the pandemic, high-poverty schools spent an additional nine weeks in remote instruction compared with low-poverty schools. In contrast, states like Florida and Texas had much lower rates of remote instruction, and smaller differences in its overall use between high- and low-poverty districts.

Brookings researchers have also demonstrated how school closings and remote learning hurt poor students. They showed that national “test-score gaps between students in low-poverty and high-poverty elementary schools grew by approximately 20% in math and 15% in reading.” The gap grew fastest in California.

Instead of a national model, Newsom’s California is a national warning of what happens when the progressive education establishment captures a state.

The political ads Newsom ran in Florida reveal perhaps an even greater disconnect between his rhetoric and California’s reality. Newsom warned Floridians that freedom “is under attack in your state,” and urged Florida residents to “join the fight, or join us in California where we still believe in freedom.” Newsom’s messaging turns gaslighting into a political strategy. If California believes in freedom, it has an odd way of showing it. After years of mask mandates, school closures, and pervasive lockdowns, Californians must be wondering what limits exist on state government intrusion into their lives. Nonetheless, they can’t help but notice the newfound freedoms that criminals and street homeless have enjoyed in cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles, where the rule of law has eroded at the hands of activist district attorneys.

Meantime, Californians who vote with their feet are fleeing to Florida in record numbers. From 2010 to 2018, California lost an average of 1,000 people to Florida per year, according to IRS taxpayer migration data. Then, from 2018 to 2019, California lost 4,800 residents to Florida. And from 2019 to 2020—the first IRS data that cover the early pandemic months—California lost 11,500 residents to Florida.

California’s outmigrants are bringing lots of income with them. The state shed an average of $270 million of annual income to Florida from 2010 to 2018. The annual loss jumped to $1.2 billion from 2018 to 2019, and then to $2 billion in 2019–2020. California’s losses, and Florida’s gains, have almost certainly accelerated in the intervening years. And Florida is not the only state picking up California exiles. The Golden State’s losses are at or near record levels with other states, too—in particular, states like Texas that Newsom targets with criticism.

Newsom wants Americans to believe that he has it figured out in California, and that the new American model for freedom is a progressive one. Yet his state’s aggressive population pivot has coincided almost precisely with his tenure as governor, making Newsom the first California leader to preside over a shrinking state rather than a growing one.

No amount of political rhetoric can mask California’s reality under Governor Newsom. Low-income students are being left behind, the rule of law is eroding, and residents are leaving in record numbers. The many former Californians watching Newsom’s ads in Texas and in Florida can only marvel at the hubris of the man.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 31, 2022 11:48 am

Embrace First Nations voice first, finetune later: PM

Truly one of the most chillingly stupid things I have ever heard of.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 11:50 am

What I had been reading was COVID is a leading cause, not the leading cause, and I got it jumbled up. My bad.

Covid is a leading cause in the same way Eddie the Eagle is a leading ski jumper.

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 11:52 am

then when the dude pulls out his colt the shrieks of fear and outrage come fast and furious. Makes me fucking sick.

And dude was incredibly restrained, if you’re in a situation like that the experts would say the only way out is to get on the trigger.

Dot
Dot
July 31, 2022 11:52 am

rick

Thought about Dr Ivy Mecktin for a cold.

Starmec mixed in Sprite looks the best for human consumption.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 31, 2022 11:55 am

Embrace First Nations voice first, finetune later: PM

A Trojan Albo.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 31, 2022 11:58 am

And dude was incredibly restrained, if you’re in a situation like that the experts would say the only way out is to get on the trigger.

aka the VicPlod school

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 12:03 pm

Thought about Dr Ivy Mecktin for a cold.

I used Eraquell, Flyingduk’s recommendation for being most palatable. Tastes like gritty bran.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 31, 2022 12:05 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

July 31, 2022 at 10:09 am

Nine months to thirty-nine months left

8 – 38 from tomorrow I reckon. I’ve kept careful count of the time left, as constantly recited by somebody

Shit!
Is it only eight months?
I will have to re-jig my schedule.
My plans to restore the Kenworth might have to be scrubbed.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 31, 2022 12:07 pm

Embrace First Nations voice first, finetune later: PM

See also:

‘Embrace a republic first, finetune later: PM’ – 1999

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 12:09 pm

Uluruluruluru.

Greens leader Adam Bandt pushes for Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to go further on Uluru Statement from the Heart (31 Jul)

Greens leader Adam Bandt has welcomed the Voice to Parliament referendum announcement but will push for progress on other aspects of the Uluru Statement from the Heart. … But Mr Bandt told Sky News Australia the Greens would like to progress on all the elements of the Statement from the Heart, including establishing a treaty and a truth telling commission.

Be nice to have an actual truth telling commission, unfortunately the truth that Adam Ant wants told isn’t the truth.

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 12:11 pm

aka the VicPlod school

No, not at all.

If you’re being assaulted like that, then you have a right to defend yourself. If you get it out in close quarters like that, there’s a good chance of the assailants getting their hands on it. As a consequence, the best route to preserving your own life is to get on the trigger as soon as you get it out.

The guy was lucky they decided to back of when they saw it, rather than going for it. Basically he put the outcome from the point of producing it, in the hands of two animals who were already beating the shit out of him.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 31, 2022 12:13 pm

Ok, let’s fact check that using the latest published Data – deaths Jan-Apr 22, which includes the Jan-Feb peak.

Cancer – 16,314
Dementia – 5,230
Ischaemic heart disease – 4,509
Respiratory diseases – 3,914
Chronic lower respiratory diseases – 2,185
Influenza and pneumonia – 648
Pneumonia – 647
Cerebrovascular diseases – 2,855
COVID-19 – 3,593
Diabetes – 1,669

And I am betting a yuuuge proportion of Kung Flu deaths had one or more of the top five prior to contracting Kung Flu.
Even Hunchback was on the news last night making the distinction between “died with” and “died from”, saying it was up to the Coroner to determine cause of death.
Which means he thinks the political capital derived from Kung Flu has been exhausted.
When you’ve lost Dear Leader, m0nster, it’s over.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 31, 2022 12:16 pm

Be nice to have an actual truth telling commission, unfortunately the truth that Adam Ant wants told isn’t the truth.

“Stories my Nanna told me..”

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 12:18 pm

Even Hunchback was on the news last night making the distinction between “died with” and “died from”, saying it was up to the Coroner to determine cause of death.

The Hunchback has a bit riding on this, without a realistic distinction between from and with, he’s carrying into an election 900 COVID deaths from his hotel quarantine fuck up. If WorkSafe wasn’t a political tool, he’d be fucked.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 31, 2022 12:19 pm

Burney affirms truth telling, ‘but we won’t be rushed’
Jess Malcolm
JESS MALCOLM

Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney at the Garma Festival at Gulkula in East Arnhem. Picture: Tamati Smith/Getty Images
Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney at the Garma Festival at Gulkula in East Arnhem. Picture: Tamati Smith/Getty Images

Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Burney says Australia needs a formal truth telling process, as recommended by the Uluru Statement of the Heart, to help acknowledge intergenerational trauma suffered by First Nations people, but said it would “not be rushed”.

Speaking to the ABC at the Garma Festival in the Northern Territory, Ms Burney advocated for a truth telling and reiterated that the Albanese government had committed to the Uluru Statement from the Heart “in full”, which recommended an enshrined voice in the constitution, a Makarratta commission for treaties and truth telling.

“It was in that pursuit of truth and when we think about the effect the national truth telling process would have on Australia, it’s remarkable,” Ms Burney said.

“It’s not about apportioning guilt, it’s not about blame. It’s about what we all can share in the whole story of this country.

“Not about apportioning guilt, not about blame” my hairy aunt. That’s all it’s been about, so far.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 12:20 pm

Who’s he? Whoever Husic is he’s discovered gas.

‘Practical not political’: Industry Minister says gas still has ‘role’ to play (31 Jul)

Industry and Science Minister Ed Husic says gas does have a role to play with industry currently and not just as a source of energy.

“But as a feedstock particularly for plastic and chemical sectors and that needs to be recognised – turning the switch off quickly does imperil jobs and economic prosperity for the country,” Mr Husic told Sky News Australia

Maybe if Joel has a word in his shell-like he’ll discover coal too.

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 12:22 pm

Black Pigeon. Turns out that 75% of the population may actually be real live NPC’s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMrVKpjjQQE

m0nty
July 31, 2022 12:32 pm

Woke up this morning feeling 90%.

Given you’ve been having horse paste, rickw, you’re actually feeling a bit 9-1.

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 12:33 pm

As for Monty, being triple vaccinated and only getting significantly milder omicron no doubt significantly reduced his chances of carking from covid.
“no doubt” = “in my opinion”

I would really like someone to explain the mechanism by which this works. The treatment fails to stop infection, but then miraculously begins working to produce milder symptoms? WTF?

Either the treatment trained you immune system, or it didn’t.

If it trained your immune system, then you would never have developed a full blown infection.

“Milder Symptoms” from vaccination is complete bullshit, most people experience mild symptoms because that’s the nature of the virus, for most people, it’s mild.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 12:34 pm

Nine to one on, Monty.
I’m surprised that a fantasy footy betting guy gets this so wrong.

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 12:37 pm

lack of cerebral function is the leading cause of death in Australia today.

How does this manifest? Commodore sideways into electricity pole?

m0nty
July 31, 2022 12:38 pm

Depends on your perspective, Bruce. 😉

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 12:42 pm

Fish farm.

Jurassic marine world unearthed in a farmer’s field (Phys.org, 29 Jul)

Discovered beneath a field grazed by an ancient breed of English Longhorn cattle, the roughly 183-million-year-old fossils are stunningly well preserved like they were frozen in time.

Contained within three-dimensionally preserved limestone concretions, the remains of fish, ancient marine reptiles, squids, rare insects and more have been revealed for the first time by a team of paleontologists. The fossils come from an inland rock layer that was last exposed in the U.K. more than 100 years ago and represented a unique opportunity to collect fossils from a time when this part of the country was deep underwater.

The newly found site is at Court Farm, Kings Stanley near Stroud, Gloucestershire and was discovered by Sally and Neville Hollingworth

Among the best finds were several fossil fish with excellent details of their scales, fins and even their eyeballs. One of the most impressive discoveries was a three-dimensionally preserved fish head, belonging to a type of Jurassic fish called Pachycormus. The fish looks as if it is “leaping off the rock” that it was contained inside. A digital 3D model of this fossil has been created by Steven Dey of ThinkSee3D.

The story has a photo of the Pachycormus fossil, which is breathtaking. I hope the farmer finds a big hoard of Roman gold on his farm too, it’d be fitting.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 12:44 pm

Bar Beach Swimmersays:
July 31, 2022 at 10:44 am
Monty:
Just because it didn’t kill me doesn’t prove anything.

Some other statements that also make sense…

Not only didn’t it kill m0nty-fa, it doesn’t seem to have had any significant effect at all.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 31, 2022 12:45 pm

Opinion – Niall Ferguson

The Four Mysteries of Pelosi’s Troublesome Taiwan Trip

Tensions over the island haven’t been this high since 1996, and a visit by the House speaker could push China to the brink.

“Taiwan will be next. You won’t have any computer chips. They’ll blow them off the face of the earth.”

Well, who said that? My question, dear readers, is part of the mystery of the Taiwan Strait. And who better to unlock that mystery than Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, whose summer trip to Asia may well include a stop in Taiwan? Indeed, she could already be on her way there as I write.

What did Pelosi’s Husband invest in, and what Bill on Computer Chips did the Democrat House pass?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 12:48 pm

Depends on your perspective, Bruce.

My perspective is very good Monty. I was top of my class in tech drawing by a large margin. Thought of going into architecture, but my genes sang to me the siren song of chemistry.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 12:49 pm

m0ntysays:
July 31, 2022 at 11:20 am
COVID is the leading cause of death in Australia today

Madam Deputy Acting Speaker, I withdraw the comment. What I had been reading was COVID is a leading cause, not the leading cause, and I got it jumbled up. My bad. In the words of Tony Kornheiser: I will try to do better the next time.

But you will fail, m0nty-fa, because you will always err in favour of the blessed “narrative”. When caught out, you might withdraw, but you will not really mean it.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
July 31, 2022 12:55 pm

Bloody thing doesn’t have a CD player

Over the years my cars have gone from 6-stacker to single disk only to “what……you don’t do Bluetooth?”

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 12:55 pm

The Meme Gunners have realised that the Australian Governments are a great source of ammo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HirUK8aerI

shatterzzz
July 31, 2022 12:57 pm

“It’s not about apportioning guilt, it’s not about blame. It’s about what we all can share in the whole story of this country.

Sometimes, I think, the problem stems from the reality that there was NO “story” prior to 1788 .. this trying to create a “history’ for a collection of motley neanderthal tribes struggling to survive rather than achieve any advancement is wearing thin …….!

Roger
Roger
July 31, 2022 1:02 pm

“That’s why I am optimistic that Australians will embrace this simple concept that where issues affect Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people they are consulted and out of it will come better practical results and outcomes, because you will have that sense of ownership and engagement.”

If it’s important that people have a voice to parliament on issues that affect them, how about a referendum in which Australians have a chance to declare how much of their household budget they’re prepared to sacrifice to fight climate change?

Dot
Dot
July 31, 2022 1:10 pm

Arnhem Land makes more sense to separate than be more involved in Australian political affairs.

There is no decent left wing argument against this.

“Let’s give it back…”

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 31, 2022 1:11 pm

Having about 500 CDs, and our newish cars not having players, I researched whether it was possible to plug a portable CD drive via its USB into the USB port on the cars.

Turns out it technically is, but in reality it didn’t work. There’s also no way to select tracks.

The alternative is download the CD tracks to your computer, and then copy them on to a USB stick. That works, although they are AIFF files, not MP3s, so they use up a lot more space.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 31, 2022 1:13 pm

BTW, Biden has bat-flu again.

Roger
Roger
July 31, 2022 1:16 pm

Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that the Voice is about improving the lot of indigenous people.

Seems to me indigenous folk would get a better response from government if aboriginal affairs were returned to the states.

Centralising it in Canberra since 1967 has, predictably, only entrenchde an ineffectuala nd self-interested bureaucracy that indigenous people have lost confidence in.

mem
mem
July 31, 2022 1:18 pm

Mother Lodesays:
July 31, 2022 at 11:48 am
Embrace First Nations voice first, finetune later: PM

Truly one of the most chillingly stupid things I have ever heard of.

“One of the things I’m trying to avoid here – there will be, as occurred at the end of the last century, when a referendum wasn’t successful, people looking for all of the detail and saying well, if you disagree with these 50 clauses, if you disagree with one out of the 50 but 49 are OK, vote no,” Mr Albanese told the ABC’s Insiders program.

“We’re not doing that. We’re not doing that. We’re learning from history. We are about maximising the opportunity there. We’re appealing to the good will of the Australian people and, as I said, the Australian character as I see it.

I seem to recall that the last attempt at a referendum on the republic was pretty short on detail which is why people voted against it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 31, 2022 1:19 pm

Daily Mail. Caution, contains naughty bits.

Single mum-of-two who became a professional sex toy tester after her glowing review of a vibrator went viral reveals her top five buys for the bedroom: ‘Everyone should start the day with an orgasm’

Carly Sophia wrote her first review in 2020 and now has a thriving Instagram
She receives hundreds of messages a year from men and women seeking advice
The mum now works exclusively for online sex toy retailer Wild Secrets
She’s tried over 50 sex toys, says ‘everyone should start the day with an orgasm’
She’s had ‘job injuries’ but she puts it down to being ‘dedicated at her craft’

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
July 31, 2022 1:21 pm

rickw: so what you’re saying is that having succeeded in dumbing down Australian kids, the left are now targeting adults?

Old bloke
Old bloke
July 31, 2022 1:23 pm

OldOzzie says:
July 31, 2022 at 12:45 pm

Tensions over the island haven’t been this high since 1996, and a visit by the House speaker could push China to the brink.

The CCP has major internal problems right now due to the unhappy people who lost their money because of the Henan bank fraud, the other banks are facing difficulties due to the mortgage payment strike, and local governments have run out of money. This doesn’t seem like a good time for Nancy to go visiting Taiwan as the CCP needs a war to unite the country behind them otherwise they face another Tiananmen Square fiasco and possible loss of office.

Similarly, the Democrats need a war to rally the nation before the mid-term elections, the crooks on both sides of the Pacific would welcome a war right now.

woolfe
woolfe
July 31, 2022 1:24 pm
Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
July 31, 2022 1:26 pm

Biden has bat-flu again

Fake news.
“They” are just softening ups the Lumpenproletariat for Biden’s soon-to-be-announced demise.

Helen
Helen
July 31, 2022 1:27 pm

After twenty great years I have decided it is time to retire the torquezone sleepy head bedsrus queen mattress for something more lux. It is still going strong, well made, but I want new. Any suggestions? Both side sleepers.

Roger
Roger
July 31, 2022 1:32 pm

Having about 500 CDs, and our newish cars not having players, I researched whether it was possible to plug a portable CD drive via its USB into the USB port on the cars.

Turns out it technically is, but in reality it didn’t work. There’s also no way to select tracks.

I purposely keep my involvement with tech to a minimum, but it just occurred to me, is it possible to play your Spotify playlists on your car’s audio system?

Mater
July 31, 2022 1:33 pm

“One of the things I’m trying to avoid here – there will be, as occurred at the end of the last century, when a referendum wasn’t successful, people looking for all of the detail and saying well, if you disagree with these 50 clauses, if you disagree with one out of the 50 but 49 are OK, vote no,” Mr Albanese told the ABC’s Insiders program.

He’s learnt that people being informed can wreck his program.
Curtin tried to ingrain socialism in the Constitution in 1944. Details killed it.

For:
Prime Minister John Curtin gave his broadcast to the nation on 25 July 1944. The Prime Minister said “to abandon wartime controls on the declaration of peace would cause disorganization to the social system and destroy the capacity of the system to meet the need of the first few disturbed years after the war.”

Against
The Country Party leader, Arthur Fadden, gave his broadcast against the motion, stating : “Its proposal means that in peacetime, you will work under government compulsion, you will eat and wear what the bureaucrats ration out to you: you will live in mass-produced government dwellings: and your children will work wherever the bureaucrats tell them to work! If granted nothing can be made, produced, built or grown without permission. Everything that is grown or made, carried or carted, sold or exchanged will be under government control. A yes vote would enable the Government to implement Labour’s policy of socialization. Nationalization of Industry would follow.”

woolfe
woolfe
July 31, 2022 1:37 pm

Buy a JBL Flix 6 speaker ($200 on Amazon through New Cat) and throw in back. Play through your phone. Perfect.

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 1:38 pm

The wave power generator experts say ‘proves ocean energy can work’ is already powering Australian homes

Well, that is an improvement on the previous wave power generator prototype, which – IIRC – quickly became a rusting hulk off the NSW coast. It was operational for a short period of time, pumping out a massive 100kW of power, which Tim Blair memorably compared with the peak power output of the contemporaneous bog standard Toyota Corolla. (100kW wasn’t too shabby for a small car at that time, to be fair to the Corolla and the wave power generator.)

Well, this new wave power generator pumps out the equivalent power of TWO early 2000s Toyota Corollas – that’s right, 200kW, maths is hard – and cost a mere $12 million! Finally, a proven renewballs source that can provide the baseload power we need*.

The claim is it’s powering 200 homes. Um…what kind of homes are these? Again with the hard maths – each home gets a 1kw/h energy budget. Well, that will probably be enough to run a medium sized fridge, a radio, a smallish LED TV (not a plasma) and some LED lights, but you couldn’t have them all on at the same time. Hope these homeowners enjoy handwashing clothes, because they’re going to be spending a lot of time on this! And I hope they don’t mind really cold houses, really cold showers and uncooked food – or sky-high gas bills. Because their 1kW/h power allocation wouldn’t even touch the sides if they’re relying on it for heating, cooking and a hot water system**. Hell, if you wanted to boil an electric kettle, you’d to have to call a couple of neighbours and ask them to shut off their power for a few minutes just to be safe.

Can we please get serious here? This wave power generator isn’t “powering 200 homes”. It’s helping to power 200 homes. Realistically, it could power maybe 40 small-to-medium sized homes (assuming it can provide a continuous 200kW/hr supply, which is doubtful). And even then, these homeowners would have to be extremely mindful of what appliances they have running simultaneously. Wanna run a clothes dryer or dishwasher? Turn off the reverse cycle AC. Wanna run a clothes dryer and a dishwasher? Turn off pretty much everything else. Imagine the nagging at breakfast time: what the hell are you doing? You can’t boil an egg whilst using the toaster! Can’t you hear the fridge is running? What if the water heater kicks in? You want to black out the neighbourhood again?? Turn that television off, and only one device charging at a time – how many times must we go over this?

*I’m assuming that’s 200kW/h, consistently. Journalists are known for getting this kind of thing right and making sure they report all relevant aspects of the story, so if its power output was unstable or intermittent, I’m certain they would have mentioned this

** hell, even an energy efficient medium-sized water heater draws ~800kW when its heat pump is operating, which, given Tassie temps throughout much of the year, would be most of the day and night and frequently 24 hours a day (unless you have extremely short showers and children who aren’t yet teenagers). But when the outside temp drops below 4-3 degrees, the unit can’t transfer enough heat from that to warm the water and will have to fall back on its heating element, which draws around 3.5kW. Hope the neighbours enjoy blackouts during cold spells!

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
July 31, 2022 1:39 pm
Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 1:42 pm

hell, even an energy efficient medium-sized water heater draws ~800kW

Make that 800w. We’d need another 3 wave generators to power an 800kW water heater. Another 4, just to be on the safe side.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 1:43 pm

Ender

One article says he’s tested positive and it will isolate. It also says the carcass isn’t symptomatic, so there’s that.

m0nty
July 31, 2022 1:45 pm

I was top of my class in tech drawing by a large margin. Thought of going into architecture, but my genes sang to me the siren song of chemistry.

Good for you Bruce. They don’t say “better living through architecture”, do they.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 1:46 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
July 31, 2022 at 12:34 pm
Nine to one on, Monty.
I’m surprised that a fantasy footy betting guy gets this so wrong.

Lol

Roger
Roger
July 31, 2022 1:46 pm

The wave power generator experts say ‘proves ocean energy can work’ is already powering Australian homes

I see their hand is out for government support.

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 1:50 pm

Given you’ve been having horse paste

Well, you’ve been having the experimental gene therapy, so God knows what you’ve had. Given the (false) choice, I’d go with the horse paste every time.

Truth be told, the vast majority of people don’t need anything to recover from Omicron except rest. OTC analgesics will make the symptoms less unpleasant, but these would be far from intolerable even if you didn’t have any pain meds available.

Morsie
Morsie
July 31, 2022 1:53 pm

Upload your CDs to desktop either in windows media player , spotify amazon music or whatever.
Download to phone if necessary .
Phone will connect with new car and just play away.
Alternatively Spotify etc will have 98% of your music so sell the cds.The streaming services have more music than you can listen to in a lifetime.
Look at deluxe version of Exile on Main Street on spotify , it has different takes etc.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 31, 2022 1:58 pm

I seem to recall that the last attempt at a referendum on the republic was pretty short on detail which is why people voted against it.

They did send out a marked up version of the Constitution, showing what the changes would say.
But that didn’t fill me with confidence. For example it was totally unclear what would have happened if the President claimed to have sacked the PM and the PM claimed to have sacked the President. An unlikely scenario? A factional dispute and two political hacks each trying to keep their own snout in the trough – I’d say it was “when”, not “if”. And with no clear hierarchy the result would be chaos. At least with the current system there was no doubt that Saint Gough had been punted and the voters were going to be allowed to resolve the problem.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
July 31, 2022 2:01 pm

sell the cds

You will own nothing and you vill be happy.

johanna
johanna
July 31, 2022 2:02 pm

The wave power generator experts say ‘proves ocean energy can work’ is already powering Australian homes

I am sick of reading these kinds of stories courtesy of innumerate and incurious stenographers. There are many, many ways of generating energy, including putting hamsters on treadmills.

What matters is, what does it cost, and how reliable and practical and scalable is it?

These awkward questions are never asked, let alone answered.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:03 pm

Don’t let them pull the wool over your eye about why the flu deaths instantaneously stop around Apr 2020.

Mater: Look, I don’t know f0r sure we began to go into COVID lockdowns from March 2020. I kept hearing for a decent part of 2020 and well into 2021 that the flu was virtually non-existent in Australia during that time. Is it possible there were no known reported flu deaths during that time? It’s possible but not likely. Data collection, hospitals was pretty messed up during that period.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:07 pm

But that didn’t fill me with confidence. For example it was totally unclear what would have happened if the President claimed to have sacked the PM and the PM claimed to have sacked the President. An unlikely scenario?

Tim, I’m surprised this could have been the outcome as there are numerous ways republican style governments can deal with this sort of thing.

m0nty
July 31, 2022 2:08 pm

Truth be told, the vast majority of people don’t need anything to recover from Omicron except rest.

And most people didn’t die of polio before the vaccine either. You blithering idiots.

Zipster
Zipster
July 31, 2022 2:10 pm
JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:13 pm

No Way Home

No, no it’s no me who’s the quant. You’ve always had the numerical smarts to destroy other people’s argument, which is why I’ve steered well away from you.. What you say goes, fella. Have you seen Jason over the last couple of years?

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 2:15 pm

Hey, m0nty. What’s the safety profile of the Covid therapeutic you’ve been taking (that you erroneously refer to as a vaccine) over a medium term time frame? How about a long term time frame? You don’t have to provide this data yourself – just point me in the direction of someone who can.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:17 pm

Polio in the US during that period was about arsenic fertiliser. Some of the later cases may have been too much DDT.

Of course it was. Can you explain to people though how say a kid in the Bronx contracted polio when he’s a world and a half away from arsenic fertilizer?

Mater
July 31, 2022 2:18 pm

Mater: Look, I don’t know f0r sure we began to go into COVID lockdowns from March 2020.

I’m not here for a fight, but you are shifting the issue

A Doctor told you that they don’t really monitor flu deaths, etc.
I showed you that they monitor everything to do with the flu, bloody closely, in minute detail and have done for more than a decade.

The Doctor was pissing in your ear, and at the same time telling you it was raining. You should be angry with him, not me.

last year, a doc told me that the system doesn’t really count flu deaths. Flu mortality was always done as an estimate for the most part as extra deaths over the flu season.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
July 31, 2022 2:19 pm

Maybe we need a separate bedroom gear thread eh Helen? Zulu?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 2:20 pm

And most people didn’t die of polio before the vaccine either. You blithering idiots.

The irony is that the polio vaccine actually works.
I know that since I’m old enough to’ve been at school with sufferers.
Polio vanished after the vaccine was rolled out.
Shame we don’t have a Covid vaccine that works too, or is as safe as the polio one is.

And that’s ignoring that the average age of Covid victims is 83 as I recall.

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 2:21 pm

I see their hand is out for government support.

Naturally.

Think of it as an investment, though. Australia leading the world in profitable renewable energy generation technology! All of those green energy jobs! Yes, we’ve been saying this for at least 20 years about technology that really has changed very little over time, but it’s really going to happen this time!

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:23 pm

Mater

If you thought I was in here to fight with you then stop the discussion right here as that wasn’t my intention. I was simply discussing the topic to see if we could understand more about it. Don’t worry, it won’t happen again.

P
P
July 31, 2022 2:24 pm

You will own nothing and you vill be happy.

Oh Yeah Uh Huh

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:25 pm

You should be angry with him, not me.

Are you Okay? What I said suggested to you that I displayed anger?

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 2:28 pm

The Germans invented the electron microscope in 1939…(b)ut we ….. you know … carpet bombed them and raped their women for no reason then starved them.

Well, that’s a take.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:29 pm

Mater
You know what, I’ll keep going and if you think it displays anger then it’s on you and not me. You’re the one who’s paranoid.

I saw those stats you presented for flu deaths. How, in detail, as those figures collated? Do you know.

A 90+ year old presents to ER with pneumonia and an hour later dies. How does the ER know the mucus in his lungs originated from the flu?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 31, 2022 2:29 pm

Statement on Covid vaccine from former AMA deputy Dr David Adler

From the Comments

– “Covid vax is clearly not very effective”, no shit sherlock
– Quick! – Truncheon, pepper-spray, bash and head-stomp the man before he lets the truth leak out!
– Also, those masks can’t even save you from a fart.
New name for vaccinated – TOXINNATED

m0nty
July 31, 2022 2:32 pm

Bird, shove off.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
July 31, 2022 2:34 pm

Rogersays:
July 31, 2022 at 1:02 pm
“That’s why I am optimistic that Australians will embrace this simple concept that where issues affect Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people they are consulted and out of it will come better practical results and outcomes, because you will have that sense of ownership and engagement.”

If it’s important that people have a voice to parliament on issues that affect them, how about a referendum in which Australians have a chance to declare how much of their household budget they’re prepared to sacrifice to fight climate change?

How about a proper referendum on SSM instead of the plebiscite?

Helen
Helen
July 31, 2022 2:36 pm

Wali, a bedroom thread would be useful … but I am only interested in mattresses atm

Mater
July 31, 2022 2:36 pm

Are you Okay? What I said suggested to you that I displayed anger?

I’m hunky-dory.
Just making sure there was no misinterpretation up front.

I’ve been blatantly lied to by a number of Doctors throughout this rock show, so my tolerance for their propaganda is sitting barely above my tolerance of Monty’s lies.

People kid glove that fat fuck, but here’s the thing. People can lump him in with the well-meaning but ignorant masses which are driving this country into the ground. I don’t see it that way.

He sits on this blog and reads it, actively comments, and still advocates that which he does. He can’t claim the defence of ignorance, unlike a big portion of our society, who rely on the MSM.

Like most things of the left, Monty is evil coated with a thin dusting of compassion, to make him more palatable…up front. I wouldn’t trust prick as far as I could throw him.

cohenite
July 31, 2022 2:38 pm

And most people didn’t die of polio before the vaccine either. You blithering idiots.

What a fat little lying turd; and what’s more you opened the door to the other fuckwit anti-vaxxer.

Helen
Helen
July 31, 2022 2:38 pm

As well as referendums, forced to be called by having a certain number of qualified (ratepayer) signatures, and mandatory for and agin arguments, can we have recall elections?

Mater
July 31, 2022 2:40 pm

I saw those stats you presented for flu deaths. How, in detail, as those figures collated? Do you know.

In all honesty, I don’t think it really matters, as long as the method is consistent. It’s the sudden change that I’m questioning, not the raw number.

As soon as Covid appears, flu deaths drop to zero. That enough for me to say something is wrong.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
July 31, 2022 2:40 pm

Flu mortality was always done as an estimate
Doesn’t ring true. An estimate would be a round figure, ie to the decile or something.
A guess at an individual cause of death isn’t an estimate, it’s an informed opinion on balance of probabilities, and those bedside figures get tallied up one by one, not estimated as a portion or whatever.
Not stirring the possum, but I think we need to get a hold of the language to get a clear take on this stuff.

Helen
Helen
July 31, 2022 2:41 pm

I guess a few more would have died form polio with out the invention of these.

Dot
Dot
July 31, 2022 2:42 pm

A 90+ year old presents to ER with pneumonia and an hour later dies. How does the ER know the mucus in his lungs originated from the flu?

The incredibly well run and secure MyHealth system, of course.

Helen
Helen
July 31, 2022 2:43 pm

From here, with some background. My heart breaks for the babies.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 2:44 pm

m0ntysays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:08 pm
Truth be told, the vast majority of people don’t need anything to recover from Omicron except rest.

And most people didn’t die of polio before the vaccine either. You blithering idiots.

Might that be because most people didn’t get polio? Of those who did get it, remind us what percentage died, what percentage suffered at least a degree of permanent paralysis, and what percentage suffered other permanent problems, such as withering of the muscles of an arm or a leg.

Stick to fantasy football, beyond that you are completely intellectually incompetent, and, regrettably, completely verbally incontinent.

m0nty
July 31, 2022 2:46 pm

It is funny how you lot are all rabidly anti-vaxx but then a real loon shows just how crazy you are and you’re all “not like that”.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 31, 2022 2:46 pm

San Francisco Kink & Fetish Festival to Press On Despite Monkeypox Emergency Declaration

The government barred us from saying goodbye to loved ones in nursing homes and hospitals during the Covid pandemic.

The government didn’t allow us to have funerals for loved ones during the Covid pandemic.

But the kink and fetish festival for gay men dubbed “Up Your Alley” is a go this weekend despite monkeypox spreading like wildfire in the gay community in San Francisco.

Per CDC, monkeypox is transmitted by symptomatic individuals through close contact with lesions, bodily fluids, or respiratory secretions and objects that have had contact with lesion crusts or bodily fluids, face-to-face contact, or during intimate physical contact, such as kissing, cuddling, or sex.

Will Biden’s gender fluid pup handler DOE employee Sam Brinton be attending the festival?

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 2:46 pm

No Way Homesays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:14 pm
Polio was not a virus either monty. Can’t be since viruses don’t have motility, can’t make toxins, no energy source, are dead material. Polio in the US during that period was about arsenic fertiliser. Some of the later cases may have been too much DDT.

Good afternoon, Figures

Dot
Dot
July 31, 2022 2:46 pm

And most people didn’t die of polio before the vaccine either. You blithering idiots.

Hold up.

You are being ridiculous here.

COVID. The same, or same level of post viral impact as polio?

Christ monty, are you going to label yourself as a survivor now?

An iron lung and some metal shin guards for your COVID rickets?

FMD

Dot
Dot
July 31, 2022 2:47 pm

Figures, RTP or Bird?

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 2:48 pm

“E-cigarettes are harmful, the evidence has become much clearer in the last few months,” she said.

“We know that nicotine is highly, highly addictive and there’s certainly evidence of young people becoming nicotine dependent.

“[E-cigarettes] can also lead to nicotine poisoning, they can lead to acute lung disease and the long-term effects at this point in time are not known.

Big Vape clearly made a big mistake by not asking Pfizer to make vape juice.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:49 pm

Walter

What rings true in you’re cranium compartment may not necessarily be reality.

As I suggested , and this is from Mater’s own link, flu mortality deaths have to be estimated through a series of cross data analysis.

Mortality surveillance
As with hospital surveillance, influenza-related mortality surveillance provides an indication of the
severity of a season. However, unlike hospital surveillance, mortality data coded by the Australian
Bureau of Statistics for vital statistics reporting is not available in real-time and is therefore most
useful for retrospective analyses of a season. In New South Wales, death registrations from the
NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages are used for rapid statistical estimation of excess
deaths during seasonal and pandemic influenza periods using time series analysis.60 Similar
methods are used in the United States61 and Europe62.
8.1 Nationally Notified Influenza Associated Deaths
Within the national notifications data on laboratory confirmed influenza that are reported to the
NNDSS from states and territories, a field is available to record information on the mortality status
of the case. Completeness of this field is low since ascertainment of mortality requires follow-up
for which influenza is not a high priority disease. To improve the completeness of the died status
field of notified cases, a range of variably applied methods have been employed by jurisdictional
health departments. These methods include: cross-matching of notifications with local death
registration data; reporting by doctors; linkage to hospitalisation records; and reporting of deaths
detected by sentinel hospital surveillance systems to jurisdictional health departments. Current
limitations to these methods include, the variability in the methods used to improve the
completeness of the died status field; the timeliness to which the information is available; and the
potential discrepancies in the methods applied to determine the relatedness of a death to an
influenza notification.
Page 34 of 51
8.2 National death registration data
Levels of influenza-related mortality can be estimated from national death registration data,
compiled by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) from information provided by the state and
territory Registrars of Births, Deaths and Marriages (BDM) and the National Coronial Information
System. These data are coded using the ICD-10. An “underlying cause” of influenza and
pneumonia (J10–J18) is utilised since mortality from a primary influenza infection is rare and most
of the deaths attributed to influenza occur from complications including pneumonia, obstructive
airway disease and sudden cardiac death. These data are published annually and are usually
released within 12 to 18 months of collection.

Outright flu deaths are , as the link suggests incredibly rare. Mortality estimates have to be made because of the way people die from the flu aggravated causes.

The one thing that’s come out from the pandemic is that we now know our datasets are just shit awful.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 31, 2022 2:49 pm
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
July 31, 2022 2:51 pm

running multifactor merde
that’s the bird fer sure

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 2:51 pm

You got that medium term vaxx safety data yet, m0nts? Or a source that can provide it? Don’t worry about the long term data for now if it’s too much of a stretch.

Cassie of Sydney
July 31, 2022 2:51 pm

“It is funny how you lot are all rabidly anti-vaxx but then a real loon shows just how crazy you are and you’re all “not like that”.”

Firstly, who are “you lot”? Secondly, there are many here who aren’t “anti-vaxx”. Thirdly, why are you here?

calli
calli
July 31, 2022 2:52 pm

Dot…shekels were mentioned. It might be a clue.

m0nty
July 31, 2022 2:52 pm

Just shut your pie hole, Bird. You’re not smart.

Cassie of Sydney
July 31, 2022 2:52 pm

“Figures, RTP or Bird?”

It’s Bird…the comment with the word “shekels” gave it away.

Cassie of Sydney
July 31, 2022 2:53 pm

“callisays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:52 pm”

Snap Calli.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 2:54 pm

m0ntysays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:46 pm
It is funny how you lot are all rabidly anti-vaxx but then a real loon shows just how crazy you are and you’re all “not like that”.

Two simple questions, m0nty-fa.

.1 What is a typical testing period for a new vaccine, to the nearest whole year?

.2 How long was the testing period for the mRNA “vaccines”?

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:54 pm

Stats are also picked up on a state by state basis which means there’s no statistical standardization. Therefore, it’s a complete abortion.

8.2.1 National Death Index
The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare collects monthly death registration information
from state and territory vital statistics registers. A pilot project in 2014 demonstrated the
feasibility of applying the same time series methods used in New South Wales60 (see Section 8.5)
to estimate national all-cause excess mortality associated with influenza.
8.3 Australian Capital Territory Births, Deaths and Marriages (BDM)
Data regarding persons from the Australian Capital Territory (ACT) who died from any respiratory
cause, as indicated by ICD codes on death certificates, are supplied by the Register of BDM
fortnightly to ACT Health. Since 2013, mortality records have been cross-checked against influenza
notification data to identify deaths associated with influenza. Records are checked by the ACT
Health fortnightly during the influenza season and on an ad hoc basis outside this period.
8.4 New South Wales Influenza and Pneumonia BDM
Under New South Wales public health legislation, the Registrar of BDM is required to make death
registry information available to the New South Wales Ministry of Health.60 Data are transmitted
daily and include an electronic copy of the death certificate for each death certified in New South
Wales. The certificate includes a section describing the disease or condition directly leading to
death, and any antecedent causes, co-morbid conditions, or other significant contributing
conditions. Deaths are required to be certified within 7 days and registered within 75 days. In
recent years, the median interval between the date of death and being available for analysis at the
New South Wales Ministry of Health has been 17 days. Nearly all registrations are reported
electronically by funeral directors. Deaths referred to a Coroner are registered but the text of the
cause of death is not recorded until there has been a coronial determination, which can take some
months or years.
Page 35 of 51
The submitted data are scanned for the keywords ‘pneumonia’ and ’influenza’ (and various
misspellings) to generate a weekly count and population rate of deaths that mention pneumonia
or influenza on the death certificate. All-cause death rates are produced as well because influenza
epidemics can influence death rates from other underlying conditions. Weekly data for the current
and five previous years (excluding epidemic years) are then fitted using a time-series regression
model, based on the methods of Serfling.63 The model is used to forecast expected seasonal
behaviour for the current year. An empirically determined epidemic threshold is used to indicate
above-seasonal death rates.64 An example figure produced using this method appears in Figure 3.
The red line indicates expected activity, while the smooth black line represents the threshold of
variation of usual activity (1.2 standard errors of prediction) from the time series model. Deaths in
excess of this upper limit indicate unusually high activity.
These data are reported weekly for inclusion in the New South Wales weekly and monthly
influenza epidemiology reportsxv and have been used in publications in peer-reviewed journals.
Figure 3. Rate of deaths classified as influenza and pneumonia per 100,000 New South Wales
population from New South Wales Registered Death Certificates, 2010 to 2015.
xv New South Wales Influenza Epidemiology Report
(http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/Influenza/Pages/reports.aspx)
Page 36 of 51
8.5 Northern Territory BDM
Since December 2012, the Northern Territory has received monthly de-identified line listings of all
pneumonia-related deaths. The data are provided by the registry custodians Promadis with the
consent of Northern Territory BDM. The data are not identifiable and so are not linked to the
laboratory confirmed cases of influenza. The extraction method is similar to that used by New
South Wales but the data are still being tested and regular analysis has not commenced.
Additionally, all Northern Territory laboratory confirmed cases are followed up to ascertain died
status.
8.6 South Australia BDM
The South Australia Communicable Disease Control Branch (CDCB) of the South Australia
Department for Health and Ageing routinely reviews records for death due to notifiable diseases,
including influenza. The South Australian BDM Registration Office provides an electronic record of
recent deaths to CDCB monthly. These data are reviewed for specific search terms within cause of
death fields to identify death due to notifiable conditions. Mortality records have been cross-
checked against influenza notification data to identify deaths associated with influenza.
8.7 Western Australia mortality surveillance
Deaths due to influenza are captured by two mechanisms in Western Australia, with information
from both sources added to notification records in WANIDD, and subsequently transmitted to the
NNDSS. Firstly, weekly linkage of influenza notification data with hospitalisation data allows
identification of individuals who have died during an admission associated with an influenza
infection, as described in section 7.5.2. Secondly, PathWest notifies CDCD of any cases detected
through routine influenza testing of specimens collected during post mortem examinations, as
described below (see Section 8.8.1). Whilst not reported routinely, these data allow timely
monitoring of deaths directly associated with influenza infection, including comparison with
previous seasons and association with features such as age and influenza virus type.
8.7.1 Coronial death surveillance

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
July 31, 2022 2:54 pm

JC,
Regarding your question below.

My point “What this means is the hospitalisations, ICU and death rate is much less than the official numbers they use in the scare campaign”

Accepting the raw numbers and there’s no cheating the stats, why would they be less the official numbers. At least what evidence can you provide?

It should be fairly obvious. If the official numbers are 9 million cases and let’s say 12,000 deaths then if real number, according to the experts, is 16 m million then the number dying or in hospital per million is significantly less.

I have not looked at the VIC stats but did note your CHO said real number of cases is likely to be double official stats. Qld CHO, unlike the others, is actually a virus Dr with many years experience in the field including Ebola in the Congo, the ship in Yokohama and the Hank’s family plague infestation. If he estimated in February 1/3 of Qld had it then what proportion by now have had it. That would be compatible with the Daily Mail article saying experts believed 16 million had had it. I think safe to say over 60%.

Recent Daily Mail article mentioned 1 in 10,000 chance of under 50 dying if catch Covid. If official cases are 9 million that would mean 900 under 50’s have died with Covid. Pretty sure CHO Qld last week said 97% of cases dying with Covid were over 50. The 1:10,000 either way is probably more like 1:15,000. If somebody bothered to check might also find the under 50’s who have died with Covid may have had other health issues.

Then what are the odds if you are under 30 or a kid? But hey lets jab them all (not being sarcastic to you here but the experts).

I am out and about at the moment but somebody might like to check if there are national stats for %age under 50 dying with Covid.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 2:55 pm

Dotsays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:47 pm
Figures, RTP or Bird?

Reads very like Figures.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 31, 2022 2:56 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:52 pm
“Figures, RTP or Bird?”

It’s Bird…the comment with the word “shekels” gave it away.

NewCats,

watching above arguments pass through the Ether, to the Ignorant Observer, who are “RTP or Bird”?

MatrixTransform
July 31, 2022 2:57 pm

“Milder Symptoms” from vaccination is complete bullshit

mUnty was innoculated early at University and consequently got a mild case of intelligence too.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 2:57 pm

m0ntysays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:52 pm
Just shut your pie hole, Bird. You’re not smart.

Mirror, mirror on the wall ….

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 2:58 pm

More here:

There appears to be a whole industry reporting flu estimates.

8.8 Strengths and limitations of mortality surveillance
Mortality surveillance for influenza can operate in several ways: notified laboratory confirmed
influenza deaths, official coding of influenza deaths from national vital statistics reporting, or
estimates of excess mortality associated with influenza epidemics using time series analysis. Many
persons dying with an influenza-associated illness will not have been tested for influenza and will
not appear in notified influenza deaths. Thus deaths coded as due to influenza in national statistics
underestimate deaths with a prior or coincident influenza infection.64 The statistical time series
approach may provide more realistic estimates of the impact of influenza but the approach does
not allow for the attribution of any particular death to influenza.
As the majority of confirmed influenza reports are laboratory based, public health follow up of
cases is required in order to determine the outcome of their infection. Therefore the mortality
data available in NNDSS are unlikely to represent the true mortality impact associated with this
disease. The work being undertaken by the Western Australia Department of Health as part of
their autopsy surveillance system has improved the representation of mortality for Western
Australia (see Section 8.8.1).
Timeliness is another challenge due to administrative processing intervals for registering deaths,
recording causes of death and for official coding of causes of death. This is especially true for
deaths which are the subject of review by the State or Territory Coroner as these cases may take
several months. Timeliness is a critical objective in influenza surveillance especially during
influenza epidemics where deaths can rise rapidly and peak early.66 If surveillance is to inform the
epidemic response then it must be rapid.

Lab confirmations are bullshit, because there are hardly any in reality.

And the clincher. They are fucking estimates.

Mortality surveillance for influenza can operate in several ways: notified laboratory confirmed
influenza deaths, official coding of influenza deaths from national vital statistics reporting, or
estimates of excess mortality associated with influenza epidemics using time series analysis. Many
persons dying with an influenza-associated illness will not have been tested for influenza and will
not appear in notified influenza deaths.

Mostly likely underestimates.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 2:58 pm

No Way Homesays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:54 pm
Figures takes the sort of thing

My apologies, it’s Bird.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
July 31, 2022 2:59 pm

Oi Dover
If you’re under the bonnet clearing out the birds, could you also find a way to send a notification when JC mentions me? I mean he’s never far from my thoughts, but I’ve got to get on with my life…

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 3:01 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:57 pm
“Milder Symptoms” from vaccination is complete bullshit

mUnty was innoculated early at University and consequently got a mild case of intelligence too.

Given that he failed Economics 1, I’d suggest that he arrived with “a mild case of intelligence”.

areff
areff
July 31, 2022 3:01 pm

from an AAP story:

Opposition Indigenous affairs spokesman Julian Leeser welcomed the Voice in principle but called for more detail.

“People need to have some certainty about what they’re voting for,” he told the ABC.

“Without those details, without the answers to the reasonable questions … it’s harder to dispel myths and uncertainties about what’s being proposed.”

This Leeser is such a nong he probably has a crush on Matthew Guy.

SFLs at it again.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 3:06 pm

As soon as Covid appears, flu deaths drop to zero. That enough for me to say something is wrong.

Not to me it doesn’t, at least for the period from April 2020 to towards the end of 2021. The contraction rate for the flu is supposedly ~1:1. We were locked down, forced to wear masks and needed to distance ourselves from others, when in public, by 1.5 meters. Additionally, travel was restricted greatly both domestically and overseas. It stands to reason that flu contraction collapsed over the period. I’m not surprised at all.

Mater
July 31, 2022 3:06 pm

JC,
All of what you say about the dodgy flu figures is true.
Sadly, it all equally applies to the numbers they are producing for Covid cases, hospitalisations and deaths.

The difference?
We’ve never destroyed Australia based on dodgy flu figures.

Crossie
Crossie
July 31, 2022 3:07 pm

The witch-hunt of Ben Roberts-Smith is utterly unforgivable but what is even worse is the whole Brereton Report that ScoMo accepted and even promoted. ScoMo is blower than a snake’s belly for doing that instead of protecting the very soldiers he can order into combat where they can and do die. All he needed to say is the report is disturbing but the charges need to be substantiated before anything is made public.

I expected this sort of behaviour from Labor politicians but ScoMo went ahead and proved that he can outdo them. I didn’t think it was possible for any PM to be worse than Turnbull but ScoMo saw it as a challenge. May we never see his like again in any party.

Mater
July 31, 2022 3:08 pm

We were locked down, forced to wear masks and needed to distance ourselves from others, when in public, by 1.5 meters. Additionally, travel was restricted greatly both domestically and overseas. It stands to reason that flu contraction collapsed over the period.

And yet Covid (but not the flu) managed to constantly sneak through these defences?

Vicki
Vicki
July 31, 2022 3:09 pm

Daughter in Northern Beaches area of Sydney has just told me that they have been informed (by Ausgrid?) that their area will be without power from 7pm to 7am tomorrow morning.

Internet search indicates that areas serviced by Ausgrid in Sydney have been periodically without power throughout July. Some occasions (they say) have occurred because of damage to supplies through roadworks et al.

But is this the beginning of power shortages due to hopeless Climate Change political decisions ?????

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 3:12 pm

perhaps read some of Putin’s speeches back again where he waxes lyrical about the reconstruction of the Russian empires of history

Still waiting for the links to these speeches as well, m0nts. I want to read them, like you suggested.

Mater
July 31, 2022 3:16 pm

Has the blog misbehaved today for anyone?

Ok for me.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 3:18 pm

And yet Covid (but not the flu) managed to constantly sneak through these defences?

Covid supposedly has a much much higher contagion rate with Omni at around 4.5 while influenza is around 1.1. Also behaviors maybe different. There’s a distinct seasonality to the flu while it appears less so for Covid.

cohenite
July 31, 2022 3:19 pm

It is funny how you lot are all rabidly anti-vaxx

No, most I would suspect are anti-you.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 3:20 pm

Has the blog misbehaved today for anyone?

Yes, the comments on the side aren’t updating in real time.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 31, 2022 3:21 pm

Dover no problems

Cassie of Sydney
July 31, 2022 3:22 pm

“Yes, the comments on the side aren’t updating in real time.”

Yep…am having the same problem.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 3:23 pm

Cronkite

Getting back to parking lot fight.

Tell us, do you think there’s an equal wow factor in a punchup compared to someone pointing a gun and about to shoot? Less so perhaps? More?

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 3:24 pm

Running smooth and quiet at my end, Dover.
The duplicity detectors and stupidity sensors are going to need a good clean as m0nty’s been posting, but apart from that, all seems well.

Vicki
Vicki
July 31, 2022 3:26 pm

Given you’ve been having horse paste

Why do the tax devotees always assume that anyone who claims to have has the benefit of Ivermectin used “horse paste”?

Those I know who administered Ivermectin for treatment of Covid used Ivermectin in tablet form – viz the form prescribed for human consumption.

While I have had skin contact (with the Ivermectin “pour on” used for external cattle drenching) with no ill effects, I would be using the human tablets for Covid treatment.

This vilification of a remarkable drug used by countless villagers in Equatorial Africa for River Blindness and Dengue Fever is puerile.

Mater
July 31, 2022 3:27 pm

Covid supposedly has a much much higher contagion rate with Omni at around 4.5 while influenza is around 1.1. Also behaviors maybe different. There’s a distinct seasonality to the flu while it appears less so for Covid.

I’ve lost count of the number of friends and colleagues who COULDN’T manage to catch Covid from their kids and/or partners, despite best efforts and living in the same house. Much to their chagrin, they got Covid at distinctly different times, resulting in multiple period of enforced isolation.

RickW is but one example.

The contagion rate was bogus, and just part of the scare. Remember when they said that Covid spread in the quarantine hotel because two people had opened their doors at the same time, despite being at opposite ends of the corridor?

I took absolutely no precautions, and went out of my way to get exposed to it, yet I took ages to catch the shit.

Vicki
Vicki
July 31, 2022 3:27 pm

BTW had to laugh – my typo in previous comment should read “fax devotees”, not “tax devotees”!!!!!!

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 3:29 pm

Jeez that’s a big lottery.

This is a situation someone likely soon will have to face, as the jackpot for the Mega Millions lottery has soared to $1.28 billion, which would be the second-largest payout in the lottery’s history. The next drawing is set for Friday night, which means that someone’s life could change dramatically, very soon.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 31, 2022 3:29 pm

Priorities: U.S. Military Base Is Hosting a Drag Show

It seems as if every day lately there is another reason to break out the champagne in Moscow and Beijing, and Saturday was no exception: it was the day of Joint Base Langley-Eustis (JBLE)’s first “Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Summer Festival,” featuring (what else), a drag show. What does all this woke nonsense have to do with winning wars? Oh, never mind that; that’s the old, white supremacist military! The new diverse military has other priorities altogether.

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 3:31 pm

Vicki, we use it* in Australia to treat scabies, as I’m sure you know.

*possibly not anymore

Vicki
Vicki
July 31, 2022 3:32 pm

BTW had to laugh – my typo in previous comment should read “fax devotees”, not “tax devotees”!!!!!!

There is an evil gremlin in my keyboard!

Post should have read “vax” devotees – and I had to type that out 3 times for the keyboard to accept it!!!

Helen Davidson (nmrn)
Helen Davidson (nmrn)
July 31, 2022 3:32 pm

After twenty great years I have decided it is time to retire the torquezone sleepy head bedsrus queen mattress for something more lux. It is still going strong, well made, but I want new. Any suggestions? Both side sleepers.

Not sure about specific mattresses, but if you’re shopping in Darwin, we had a great experience at Beds R Us on the highway at Winnellie.

Salesman (older man, I think the owner), showed us three mattresses in our price range and one next price range up. Asked what type of pillows we used and provided them to try with the mattress. Insisted we had to lay on each mattress for at least 3-5 minutes and move around as we would when trying to sleep. We were in the store for nearly an hour (and his up-sell worked, we bought the more expensive one 🙂 ).

This was about 5 years ago, but pretty sure same people still have the business. I was in there about 18 months ago for new pillows.

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 3:33 pm

It stands to reason that flu contraction collapsed over the period. I’m not surprised at all.

Huh? Measures were completely effective against one virus, but completely ineffective against another virus?

COVID-19 IS the seasonal flu, with better PR and marketing.

The complete disappearance of the flu during the COVID-19 plandemic draws a big red line under the bullshit.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 31, 2022 3:34 pm

The contagion rate was bogus, and just part of the scare. Remember when they said that Covid spread in the quarantine hotel because two people had opened their doors at the same time, despite being at opposite ends of the corridor?

And the public shaming of the asthmatic man with the “nebuliser of doom” by TaliDan and the scum media.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 3:34 pm

You gotta love the US constitution. It protects Musk from slavery?

Twitter Wants to Force Musk to Buy It. But There’s a Hitch.

When Elon Musk decided to terminate his $44 billion deal to purchase Twitter TWTR +1.76% , the social-media company sued in the Delaware Court of Chancery. Twitter is suing for “specific performance,” a rare remedy that would require Musk to complete the merger. Unfortunately for Twitter, it isn’t Elon Musk Inc. but Elon Musk the individual who offered to buy the company. This fact alone can block compulsion. The legal rationale lies in the country’s 19th-century prohibition of slavery.

Twitter’s suit seeks to enjoin Musk from what it alleges would be further breaches of their contractual relationship, to compel Musk to fulfill his legal obligations, and to compel consummation of the merger. While there is precedence in Delaware for specific performance, the Musk-Twitter deal is unique. To date, Delaware has compelled only one corporation to purchase another. The Court of Chancery has never compelled a natural person to go through with a deal. Although corporations are legal persons with equal rights for many purposes, there are some rights that apply only to natural persons. The 13th Amendment prohibition against involuntary servitude, an underpinning of the rareness of the remedy of specific performance, is one of those rights.

Courts grant specific performance when no other remedy, including the payment of money damages, will do. This remedy is most common in real estate transactions, as all land is special. Courts also grant specific performance for unique goods, such as antiques, and other goods in short supply. But courts never allow specific performance for personal services contracts, in part because under the 13th Amendment, the state can no longer compel people to service.

Vicki
Vicki
July 31, 2022 3:34 pm

Vicki, we use it* in Australia to treat scabies, as I’m sure you know.

Yes – aware of that “Oh come on”. It used to be on the shelves pre Covid, & in early 2020 I raced into pharmacy expecting to grab early supplies – even if it was just scabies ointment. No luck.

Gilas
Gilas
July 31, 2022 3:38 pm

Mater says:
July 31, 2022 at 2:40 pm

As soon as Covid appears, flu deaths drop to zero. That enough for me to say something is wrong.

Yes, that happened.
Seriously wrong, seriously sloppy work from the various Health stats buros, intent on painting COVID in the worst possible light, without having a clue on how to cover their tracks.
Even the Dems in November 2020 did a much better job of hiding the grunting pig under the handkerchief.

The only way an infectious death could be correctly attributed to Influenza ( and not any old chest infection) is if the patient had a positive viral screen during diagnostic work-up.
Virtually no one dies from a common cold (the “flu”) unless they are in multiple-comorbid pre-terminal land, in which case one of these chronic illnesses would be elevated to be the primary cause on the Certificate.
I have never stated, or seen it stated, that someone died from the common cold.
As explained previously on Sinc’s Cat, completing a Death Certificate is not too different to guessing a number, given a random-sized range to choose from.

Most chronic diseases co-exist, have intersecting symptoms and relative morbidity/mortality profiles. A veritable orgy of Venn Diagrams, as well as the almost total extinction of routine autopsies ensure that completing this paperwork in the elderly, or in the co-morbid, is just educated guesswork.

Vicki
Vicki
July 31, 2022 3:40 pm

Re Ivermectin “pour -on” :

As I’ve said before on this blog – it is a wonderful product for treatment of parasites on cattle. Works a treat – clears affected animals of the grass mite in their coats within a week, sometimes within days.

I used it prophylactically for Bovine Ephemeral Fever in the rainy season this year. No sign of this accursed virus – although it is carried by mozzies – probably from the north – & doesn’t occur every year. But since it is an anti viral and anti inflammatory, I intend to use it every year from Feb to end of April – involving two separate drenches.

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 3:41 pm

RickW is but one example.

My recent COVID came from the bloke at the desk next to me coughing and sneezing his head off. He got it from his house mate. No one else in the office got it. The people I had dinner with on Thursday night didn’t catch it, nor did the missus or the kids.

Sounds about as infectious as your average flu.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 3:41 pm

dover0beachsays:
July 31, 2022 at 3:15 pm
Has the blog misbehaved today for anyone?

I had a problem mid-afternoon with refreshing open tabs. I closed each tab, re-opened it, and all was well.

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 3:42 pm

M0nts knows it, too. Or maybe he doesn’t. Either way, he’ll regurgitate the regime’s talking points.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 31, 2022 3:42 pm

Tim, I’m surprised this could have been the outcome as there are numerous ways republican style governments can deal with this sort of thing.

I’m sure there are, but none of them appeared in the 1999 referendum proposal.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 31, 2022 3:44 pm

This vilification of a remarkable drug used by countless villagers in Equatorial Africa for River Blindness and Dengue Fever is puerile.

Agreed Vicki, I have had it prescribed on a number of occasions returning from 3rd world deestinations for extended periods as a precaution for latent elephantitus…

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 3:44 pm

You gotta love the US constitution. It protects Musk from slavery?

Protecting African Americans yet again!

rickw
rickw
July 31, 2022 3:51 pm

For machinetool addicts in Sydney, Grays has an auction on for some very well kept and very well tooled machinery: Lathes: Graziano SAG 180, Hercus 260, Hembrug, Schaublin 102 with what looks like every accessory they ever made. Mills: Provomajska licensed version of a Deckel FP2, again with every accessory ever made.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
July 31, 2022 3:53 pm

.1 What is a typical testing period for a new vaccine, to the nearest whole year?

.2 How long was the testing period for the mRNA “vaccines”?

Can I have a go?
1. 10.

2. Still in progress and we know all the guinea pigs on this blog.

Roger
Roger
July 31, 2022 3:54 pm

“Yes, the comments on the side aren’t updating in real time.”

Ditto.

Otherwise good.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 31, 2022 3:54 pm

Just arrived in my email:

Today, the launch of a special commemoration is taking place at the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne, highlighting stories of service from lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people in the Australian Defence Force (ADF).

Assistant Minister for Veterans’ Affairs and Defence, the Hon Matt Thistlethwaite MP, said he was honoured to attend the launch of the Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ Service exhibition.

Next week – a special exhibition highlighting the role of Greek people in the ADF. The week after, short people.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 31, 2022 3:55 pm

m0ntysays:
July 31, 2022 at 2:46 pm
It is funny how you lot are all rabidly anti-vaxx

m0nty, if scepticism of a few products that haven’t even received full approval anywhere in the world (only “emergency” authorisation) makes one “ant-vaxx”, why don’t you lead the way by insisting that you and your family get injected with recalled vaccines like Gardasil HPV, or Hib?
I mean if you have to accept everything that’s marketed as a “vaccine” in order not to be “anti-vaxx”, surely you’d want you and your family pumped full of every “vaccine” that’s ever been released, wouldn’t you?

Helen
Helen
July 31, 2022 3:56 pm

Thanks Helen, appreciated. Are you still happy with your choice?

cohenite
July 31, 2022 3:57 pm

Tell us, do you think there’s an equal wow factor in a punchup compared to someone pointing a gun and about to shoot? Less so perhaps? More?

I always take a gun to a punch-up. It’s just common sense; and you get respect. But it depends on the gun. For friendly neighbourhood disputes I take this.

More serious argy-bargy this.

And dead set shit the fan stuff, this.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
July 31, 2022 3:59 pm

JCsays:
July 31, 2022 at 3:18 pm

Covid supposedly has a much much higher contagion rate with Omni at around 4.5 while influenza is around 1.1.

You did say “supposedly”, so don’t take this the wrong way. But contagion rates can be calculated only off infection data – so using contagion rates to support an argument against the validity of infection rate data has an inbuilt flaw.

Diogenes
Diogenes
July 31, 2022 4:03 pm

I’ve lost count of the number of friends and colleagues who COULDN’T manage to catch Covid from their kids and/or partners

I don’t seem to be able to catch it. Last term, every day, in every lesson I was in close contact with kids who tested positive. Nearly everyone in my staffroom had it at one stage. I even spent 4 X 1 hour trips in a car wíth 3 others, 2 of whom had it.

ATM in my current staffroom 2 guys are off it.

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 4:04 pm

How long was the testing period for the mRNA “vaccines”?

2. Still in progress and we know all the guinea pigs on this blog.

Not true, Big Nambas. Any moment now, m0nty will return to provide us with the medium term and long term safety data for the Covid ‘vaccines’. He’s probably got to drop the DeLorean back to Doc first. That would be the polite thing to do.

vr
vr
July 31, 2022 4:05 pm

There is an interesting interview one the podcast ECONTALK about Covid statistics. It’s with Vinay Prasad an oncologist and epidemiologist. This was week before last.

Mater
July 31, 2022 4:07 pm

There’s a distinct seasonality to the flu while it appears less so for Covid.

When you lock an entire population down during the actual flu season, you are likely to push the season artificially into uncharted territory.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 4:11 pm

dover0beachsays:
July 31, 2022 at 3:15 pm
Has the blog misbehaved today for anyone?

Same problem for me as before.

For example I just clicked on a comment on the RHS sidebar just now, and didn’t get it. Instead the latest comment was the 754th in the OT, whereas the one I’m typing this under is #768.

(So clicking on this link on the side bar
https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/07/30/open-thread-weekend-30-july-2022/comment-page-4/#comment-299792

gets me to this comment but no later ones
https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/07/30/open-thread-weekend-30-july-2022/comment-page-4/#comment-299778

go figure)

When I submit a comment it does not show. But if I click the header of the OT then go to the end there it is.

It is OK though as I’ve found a way around it by just clicking on the thread title each time then scrolling to the newest comment.

But I suspect other bloggers may get disoriented or discouraged that the blog isn’t working properly. At least not how it was before your update last week.

Sorry to impart annoying news Dover, but that’s what I’m getting.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

dover0beach says: July 31, 2022 at 3:15 pm

Has the blog misbehaved today for anyone?

Yes.
Your comment appeared this very minute, I’m typing an instant response.

The blog seems to be updating every 60 – 70 minutes, in one chunk.
Been doing that for several days.

Refreshing doesn’t work, however estimating a comment number & making an url will jump me to that comment (if it exists)
This is surreal, for if I estimate onto the next page, I still won’t be able to see the remainder of the previous page of comments.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 31, 2022 4:16 pm

Monkeypox Terror vs. LGBTQ© Agenda: When Contradictory Leftist Narratives Collide

One of the more pernicious tactics that the social justice movement uses is placing its opponents into rhetorical double-binds:

“A psychological predicament in which a person receives from a single source conflicting messages that allow no appropriate response to be made.”

Once you understand how this manipulative trick works, you’ll discover it everywhere in SJW discourse.

For example, let’s take the recent monkeypox scare, which primarily affects homosexual men – or, to use the new PC phrase, “men who have sex with other men.”

LGBTQ+++© activists make contradictory, simultaneous criticisms:

Monkeypox specifically affects homosexual men and not framing it explicitly as an LGBTQ+++© public health emergency is negligent/discriminatory

Monkeypox is not an LGBTQ+++©-specific disease and framing it as such is homophobic/discriminatory

Consequently, the doctors and “experts” tasked with administering the Public Health© response to monkeypox walk on eggshells to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of the LGBTQ+++© community:

“Doctors and public-health experts have spoken to the BBC about the ‘delicate balance’ of keeping those currently most at risk informed, without stigmatising them or letting others become complacent.”

No matter the response from the government, the LGBTQ+++© community emerges as the victim. And since victimhood is the ultimate virtue in their ideology, they win.

This evidences the iron law: you can’t ever win with these people when you play the game on their terms. They require submission to their demands, but meeting those demands is impossible because they contradict one another.

Using the same tactic, LGBTQ+++© activists make both of the following claims at the same time.

LGBTQ+++© persons are just like everyone else; they want to live their lives like everyone else; transgender women are women; they should be permitted to play on whatever sports team they want

LGBTQ+++© persons are unique; Transgender women deserve special consideration and representation; roles in films should for transgender women should be reserved exclusively for transgender women; ignoring their transgenderism erases their identity

In effect, if you treat a transgender women exactly like any regular fronthole woman, you’re a bigot who denies their existence. If you treat a transgender woman differently than a regular fronthole woman, you’re discriminating against the protected class and, therefore, also a bigot.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 31, 2022 4:18 pm

Dover,

instantaneous post for me, and when I click on sidebar brings up posted comment correctly

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 4:24 pm

dover0beach says:
July 31, 2022 at 4:14 pm
When people say the sidebar isn’t matching the page is that after refreshing the page?

Nope, refreshing the page doesn’t work.

Question.
Why did you mess around with the thing as it was working before you went under the hood?

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
July 31, 2022 4:25 pm

From the Oz Referendum first, details later: Albanese’s vow

Sounds like ..
Just consent to sex. Then I’ll let you know who and how many will leap out of the closet, what appliances we will be using and maybe voltage and horsepower.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 4:28 pm

When people say the sidebar isn’t matching the page is that after refreshing the page?

Dover – It does so long as I’m viewing the thread by this url
https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/07/30/open-thread-weekend-30-july-2022/

If I click on the latest one on the side bar which is OldOzzie at 4:18pm it gets me this one as the latest comment:
https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/07/30/open-thread-weekend-30-july-2022/comment-page-4/#comment-299805

The sidebar then shows this same comment, Gilas’s at 3:38pm, as the latest. Refreshing the page (ctl-R or F5) does not get anything later, it’s stuck at 3:38pm.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 4:29 pm

There’s a special on Netflix about Shania Twain. Sure, she’s Canadian but boy she’s a looker. I’d rate her the best looking brunette in a long time. (Americans think Canadian sheilas are bush pigs).

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 31, 2022 4:32 pm

Referendum first, details later: Albanese’s vow

Just approve that the Constitution will be changed, we’ll let you know what those changes will be, after they are approved…Wasn’t this how the American Civil War got started?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 4:32 pm

Oops, belay that.

The comment it gave me is this one:
https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/07/30/open-thread-weekend-30-july-2022/comment-page-4/#comment-299778

The url though was
https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/07/30/open-thread-weekend-30-july-2022/comment-page-4/#comment-299805

All comments after 299778 weren’t visible even the url was saying 299805 in the url field.

Mater
July 31, 2022 4:33 pm

Sure, she’s Canadian but boy she’s a looker.

Yes, she is.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 4:35 pm

SATP – Click on the title of the thread you want under the Amazon widget on the RHS. Then scroll to the bottom using the “end” button (assuming you’re using a winbox keyboard).

That seems to get the updated thread each time.

johanna
johanna
July 31, 2022 4:38 pm

I’m having the same problems as BoN. The blog effectively freezes on a comment and I just have to wait until it decides to unfreeze – more than an hour this time. I can make the sidebar update by refreshing the topic heading, but when I click on the latest comment nothing happens.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 4:43 pm

I’ve just turned another knob to see if makes a difference.

Turn the knob back then. 🙂

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 4:44 pm

Am I surprised that m0nty-fa, as at 1640, has not responded about the relative proportions of the population to have had Kung Flu and polio, nor about the proportions suffering significant long-term effects.

Perhaps even m0nty-fa realised that the proportion of the population suffering from polio was nothing like as high as the proportion that the eggspurts now say have had Kung Flu.

Vicki
Vicki
July 31, 2022 4:44 pm

I’ve lost count of the number of friends and colleagues who COULDN’T manage to catch Covid from their kids and/or partners

I was surprised I didn’t catch it from husband a few months. His bout was very mild & he tested negative by day 5, but I was still surprised & out it down to using new nasal spray from Germany + Betadine gargle.

However, our flying duk reckons that just about everyone on the planet has been exposed to this virus by now. Lack of symptoms or even a negative test does not mean that your immune system has not just dealt with the virus.

I guess only an antibody test would be more reliable – though I gather that even this test is not conclusive.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
July 31, 2022 4:45 pm
rugbyskier
rugbyskier
July 31, 2022 4:46 pm

All this talk about Shania Twain on the thread – that don’t impress me much.

However, that leopard print outfit she wore in the video clip for said song was very nice.

P
P
July 31, 2022 4:46 pm

I was having trouble with the right side bar taking me to earlier comments.
Also, this morning I went I went to ‘older comments’ there was no ‘new comments’ to go to so I had to go to ‘Open Thread – Weekend 30 July 2022’ to get back on the page.
Ended up closing the site down and running CCleaner (Pro) and all was well after that. I thought at the time clearing the history had fixed it.
All has been well the rest of today.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 31, 2022 4:47 pm

Big Nambas

.1 What is a typical testing period for a new vaccine, to the nearest whole year?

.2 How long was the testing period for the mRNA “vaccines”?

Can I have a go?
1. 10.

2. Still in progress and we know all the guinea pigs on this blog.

On behalf of m0nty-fa, thank you. I hope he reads this.

Oh come on
Oh come on
July 31, 2022 4:47 pm

If the constitutional amendment includes a prohibition of unintended consequences, everything will be fine.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
July 31, 2022 4:48 pm

WAYNE ROOT: My List of Studies & Government Data from Around World Showing the Covid Vaccine is Dangerous and Deadly, and the Worst Health Care Disaster in World History

The above article at Gateway Pundit has many links to various articles about Vax issues.

Even if only half are correct it indicates a serious problem.

For me the dangers to the under 30’s and kids is the main issue. Not one mainstream journalist has looked seriously into the matter.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2022 4:50 pm

I’ve just turned another knob to see if makes a difference.

Went out and came back in.

Sidebar now had my 4:35pm comment as the latest, but when I click it your comment as of 4:38pm is the latest that actually shows. Going to the title of the OT though gets another 7 later comments.

Must be like this for GPs asking patents “what hurts”.

JC
JC
July 31, 2022 4:51 pm

Really? Wow if true.

If you have natural immunity but have not received a COVID19 vaccine, then there is a good chance recovery from a re-infection could provide you with potent antibodies that neutralize SARS-1, SARS-2 (and all variants), MERS and maybe even common cold coronaviruses.

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