Open Thread – Weekend 10 Sept 2022


Road to Racquencourt, Camille Pissarro, 1871

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Roger
Roger
September 12, 2022 6:29 pm

Test.

Pass.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2022 6:29 pm

Hungarian official says EU is the losing side in Ukraine conflict

The EU has already suffered defeat regardless of the outcome on the battlefield, the parliament speaker insists

The EU has suffered severe political and economic damage from its handling of the situation in Ukraine, and can already be declared the loser in the conflict, the speaker of Hungary’s National Assembly claimed on Sunday.

Laszlo Kover, who is a member of Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s Fidesz party, accused Brussels of failing to prevent the conflict through political means, with the result that it’s “unable to restore peace diplomatically.”

“Under external pressure, the EU is acting against its most basic economic interests and should already be considered a loser, regardless of which of the parties directly involved in fighting will declare itself the winner,” he said.

Powers outside Europe are trying to condemn the bloc’s members to “military vulnerability, political subjugation, economic and energy incapacity, financial indebtedness and social disintegration,” with Brussels helping them to achieve this goal, the parliament speaker claimed.

The EU is grappling with soaring natural gas prices, the prospect of energy shortages in winter and spiking inflation in the wake of sanctions it imposed on Russia over its military operation in Ukraine.

Brussels has largely followed the US stance of seeking to weaken Russia through sanctions, while supplying Kiev with weapons and financial aid.

Hungary has maintained relatively neutral since the outbreak of the fighting in late February. It has refused to send arms to Ukraine and remained critical of the EU sanctions against Moscow, calling them ill-conceived and self-defeating. Budapest, which is heavily dependent on Russian energy, was also able to negotiate an exemption for itself from the bloc-wide ban on Russian oil.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 6:30 pm

You’re thinking too macro, Tim N. Economic growth tends to be uneven in good times and bad, some sectors can hold up quite well even while the total shrinks. There will be parts of the economy that will still suffer labour market shortages in a near-term recession, particularly those affected by immigration.

The fool who failed Economics 1 at Monash … Monash!!, proceeds to lecture the thread on the subject of … ta-da … economics. ROFLMAO.

And yes, it is possible for Labor to increase immigration and for wages to still keep rising. You idiots.

Part of his earlier comment related to wages rising as the labour market remained tight. Now the economics failure says that wage increases will continue even with increasing immigration at a time of economic downturn. This implies that increasing immigration will not loosen the labour market, which is a reason often given for increasing immigration.

Why do I suspect that he has received some terse emails from the likes of Steve from Brissy and Homer P, “schooling” him in the “correct” position to take, leading to a backward somersault with pike and tuck.

local oaf
September 12, 2022 6:31 pm

lol@

Who cares. As a loyal subject for 69 and nearly 70 years, I want to know whether I am mentioned in the Will and where is my 5 million pounds?

I wondered, because a leftie told me yesterday that Trump wasn’t invited because the Queen hated him. You know, because Trump is so stupid.

As usual I smiled politely and backed slowly away

Real Deal
Real Deal
September 12, 2022 6:32 pm

Beautifully written, Mother Lode. Your turn of phrase brings to remembrance a much missed blogger of years past

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 12, 2022 6:33 pm

As Christian Horner said on Saturday after Qualifying “We. unlike many of their rivals, Red Bull opted not to install a Monza-specific extreme low-downforce rear wing. More downforce leads to better performance in corners, allowing Red Bull to be the fastest car out of the first chicane

Christian Horner.
Faster corners.
….
No?
OK.
I’ll see myself out.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Talks with Ukraine still on the table – Russia

The longer negotiations are delayed, the harder it will be to come to terms, the Russian foreign minister says

Moscow is not giving up on the idea of peace talks with Kiev, but the sides need to start negotiations sooner rather than later, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said.

“We don’t reject the negotiations; we’re not giving up on the negotiations” with Ukraine, Lavrov told the Rossiya 1 channel.

“Those who reject them must understand that the longer this process is delayed, the harder it will be to reach an agreement,” he added in an apparent reference to the authorities in Kiev.

Lavrov noted that Russia’s President Vladimir Putin earlier voiced the same stance on peace talks.

The conflicting sides have not sat down at the negotiating table since talks in Istanbul in late March. Russia, which initially expressed optimism on the peace process, later accused Kiev of backtracking on the progress achieved in Turkey, saying it had lost trust in the Ukrainian negotiators. Russian officials warned that Moscow’s demands would be more extensive if the talks were to restart.

In recent months, Ukraine has been either putting forward terms that Moscow deemed ‘unrealistic’ for the resumption of the negotiations, or said that they can only begin after Russia is defeated on the battlefield.

Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has also claimed on several occasions that he wanted to discuss the outcome of the conflict directly with President Putin. But Moscow’s position has been that the two leaders should only meet to sign concrete agreements, prepared for them by the negotiators. “Nobody needs a meeting for the sake of a meeting,” Kremlin press-secretary Dmitry Peskov said earlier this week.

Ukraine launched a major counter-offensive in the north-eastern Kharkov region earlier this week after attempts to advance in other areas failed. On Saturday, Russia withdrew its forces from Izuym and some other settlements in the area, saying that they will be regrouped “to build up efforts in the Donetsk direction.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 6:34 pm

local oafsays:
September 12, 2022 at 6:02 pm
Who is permitted to attend the Queen’s funeral, is it just current heads of state or can former leaders go too?

Can Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump show up – Keating, Rudd, Gillard, etc?

The Australian PM is not the Head of State, for practical purposes the GG is.

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2022 6:40 pm

Wouldn’t it be more accurate to compare covid vax to the annual flu vax? Also, I don’t think anyone noteworthy was saying (at least in 2021) the covid vax was going to eradicate covid. It was always that we were heading towards a flu vax like environment.

They were far far more bullish about efficacy than this. It started with “you won’t get it and you won’t pass it on” and wound up at “you probably won’t get as sick….. maybe”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2022 6:41 pm

Anyone hear about the T-Rex who opened a gun shop?

He was a small-arms dealer.

Cassie of Sydney
September 12, 2022 6:41 pm

This is a smackdown, a perfect smackdown….this is the problem in the West, a putrid, parasitic, lying, fetid media.

‘I need you to stop!’: ‘Leftist’ MSNBC host schooled by UK historian over Queen’s legacy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2SQjLVP4V8&t=203s

More please.

chrisl
chrisl
September 12, 2022 6:42 pm

Out of the blue , I received a text from Fines Victoria, informing me I owed them $391.00 . I rang the number and asked what it was for,was told it was for a speeding offence for a few kilometres over the limit for $227 .As I did not pay the fine it had escalated to $391. I told the nice lady that I had not received a single letter to inform me of the fine, the $26 penalty or the further escalation.
By the way, I asked , are there any other fines? Yes you owe a total of $1860 .
After quite a bit of loud conversation, and finally getting a call from the TEAM LEADER it turns out I have one speeding fine , one fine for unregistered vehicle ( 2 days overdue) and two fines for late payment ( 2x $26) I should have received around 11 letters as notification for these fines , but received only one!
So the fines were all escalating but no letters arrived informing me .
Well said the fine public servant , you can apply to the Magistrates Court or apply for a review on the website.
The first question the website asked was what date was the fine ?
Which I didn’t know , because I didn’t get it !
Back to square one!
Bureaucracy at its best

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2022 6:43 pm

If I was a Uke soldier advancing rapidly across vast distances and meeting little resistance. I think I would have Admiral Akbar in my mind.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 12, 2022 6:43 pm

I don’t know the details. As possible to be a little bit churlish with regards the openness to certain former heads of state. That the Queen died in a particular 4-year bracket determining which heads of state can visit would seem to be heavy-handed and bureaucratic.

For example, Obama already has a speech at the ready, and it would be a shame to deny the poor departed monarch great dignity merely because she erred in dying outside The One’s imperium.

Here is an outline of Obama’s speech:

> Obama was born.
> He was amazing at school.
> He read a book about King Alfred (to whom Obama feels a special bond because Alfred was also called ‘the Great’).
> Obama rode a bicycle with photos of himself inserted in the spokes.
> Obama met Michelle and learned that gender is not binary. Not even analog!
> Obama became President and he met Queen (Latifah)
> Obama went to England and the English version of a Queen happened to be in the building when he visited the palace. Luckily he had an iPod of his own speeches he was listening too that he could hastily pass off as a gift. Another diplomatic disaster caused by other people that he was able to masterfully avert.
> Obama and Michelle went to a fish-and-chip shop. Again there was a cock up because when they left Michelle contained so much fish, chips, and other foodstuffs that she needed commercial and food storage licenses.
> Obama sat in the front with the pilot on the flight home.
> Michelle admitted he was a Queen.
> Obama met George Clooney at the White House.

See what I mean?

bespoke
bespoke
September 12, 2022 6:46 pm

How does everyone know when a nurse is having a bad day?
She won’t stop needling people.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2022 6:48 pm

Interesting vibes in Canuckstan. The Tories have been voting for a new leader, but the elites didn’t manage to stack the deck like in the UK. So the base have voted for a Trumpety Trump sort of guy:

Populism On The Rise In Canada As “Unelectable” Pierre Poilievre Sweeps Conservative Leadership (12 Sep)

Pierre Poilievre dispensed the naysayers in the Canadian Conservative leadership convention and swept the top job on the first ballot, something that hasn’t happened since Stephen Harper kicked off his political dynasty in 2004.

The Poilievre movement brought 300,000 new members into the Conservative Party (myself and my wife included), which resulted in 68% of votes. The Laurentian elite anointed (and media approved) candidate was Jean Charest, who was clubbed like a baby seal, stitching together a mere 16% of the vote. This morning Charest announced his departure from politics.

I did as you do and searched “Jean Charest WEF”. Haha, yep. Funny how that works.

Good to see that the righties in Canada have got a guy who may actually be a conservative. Whether he can knock off Herr Trudy though is another matter. We’ll see.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2022 6:49 pm

you owe a total of $1860 .

That’s when you send in a letter saying you are a useless drug addict with no employment, but you don’t want to be humiliated any more by Centrelink because of your parlous mental health so please don’t take it out of your payments.

Offer $4 per fortnight for the next 200 years because hardship, and ask them to send you a hard copy of the payment plan. When it arrives, get one number wrong on the direct debit information and send it back. They will send you another one.

Repeat three times, at approximately four months per time. Then move out of Victoria.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 12, 2022 6:52 pm

A balena is a whale in my first language – just saying

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 6:56 pm

rickwsays:
September 12, 2022 at 6:40 pm
Wouldn’t it be more accurate to compare covid vax to the annual flu vax? Also, I don’t think anyone noteworthy was saying (at least in 2021) the covid vax was going to eradicate covid. It was always that we were heading towards a flu vax like environment.

They were far far more bullish about efficacy than this. It started with “you won’t get it and you won’t pass it on” and wound up at “you probably won’t get as sick….. maybe”

What a load of BS. Everyone here in OZ was being brainwashed to get the Jab. Have you no memory of what was happening? Get the Jab or else. Lockdowns. You will al die without the Jab. V for Vendetta and all that bollocks. I went out in the fresh air every day and took no notice of the Guv’ment mandated BS.

I remember being in N Sydney one day and coming out of the Aldi store and walking up to Victoria Cross. There were 4 Coppers standing shoulder to shoulder and crapping on about something. So as I walked passed them I said, ‘Oi, are you not supposed to be at least 6 feet apart ‘(I still use English measurements as I was born in England just like Johnny Rotten) and they immediately jumped apart.

What a farking joke. And I never got collared.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2022 7:02 pm

A baby seal walks into a club.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 7:03 pm

bespokesays:
September 12, 2022 at 6:46 pm
How does everyone know when a nurse is having a bad day?
She won’t stop needling people.

Ha, ha, ha

Wife says, hey Hubby and this piece of clothing still fits me after 8 years. Husband says, nicely, Darling it is only a scarf………………..Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
September 12, 2022 7:04 pm

Australian Medical Association NSW president Michael Bonner criticised the decision which he said would cause further strain on an already stretched health system.”This has been a year of significant disruption in health care anyway and we have thousands of people around the country who have booked surgery,” Dr Bonner told ABC Radio Sydney.

Expecting by next week the AMA will be asking “Why is monarchy a granny-killer?”

Monarchy masks and mRNA Saxe-Coburg-Gotha shots by October.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2022 7:05 pm

CIA helps Ukraine compile “death list” website

History reveals the CIA has an affinity for death lists. In 1990, The Washington Post reported the agency “supplied the names of thousands of members of the Indonesian Communist Party to the army in Jakarta, which at the time was hunting down the leftists and killing them in a crackdown branded as one of the century’s worst massacres” in 1965.

The late investigative journalist, William Blum, wrote in his book “Killing Hope,” that the CIA has assassinated or attempted to assassinate leaders in China, India, Panama, Zaire (then the Congo), Haiti, Cuba, and numerous other countries. (See “The CIA’s Greatest Hits – US Government Assassinations”).

Thus it makes perfect sense the CIA would be involved in compiling a list of “terrorists” for the SBU (Security Service of Ukraine) to eliminate. As Max Blumenthal recently tweeted, the Ukrainian Myrotvorets website lists “Langley, VA, USA” as a partner in the effort to track down dissidents and murder them. Langley is the hometown of the CIA.

Note: if you are upset by dead and mutilated bodies, do not visit the website. The front page, above the fold, displays dead Russian soldiers.

According to Whois, an internet domain lookup, the site is registered to OroCommerce, a “digital commerce solutions” company. The OroCommerce website’s front page mentions the Ukraine specifically. It features a “Donate Now” button for something called the “Stand with Ukraine” fund.

The StandWithUkraine website, like much of the corporate media, puts forward a number of lies and falsifications to justify its existence in supporting the Ukraine. The opening paragraph:

“On Feb. 24, 2022 Russia declared an unprovoked war on Ukraine and launched a full-scale invasion. Russia is currently bombing peaceful Ukrainian cities, including schools and hospitals and attacking civilians who are fleeing conflict zones.”

YouTube is replete with interviews of Ukrainians escaping the violence (most are now deplatformed). Invariably, they claim the UAF (Ukrainian Armed Forces), in particular its neo-Nazi contingents, have fired upon them as they attempted to escape the fighting. The truth is the opposite of what is claimed by StandWithUkraine and the western corporate media. The UAF has occupied hospitals and schools and used them as firing positions.

No stats on the eight year terror campaign against the civilians of Donbas are included on this heavily biased website. According to the United Nations, the number of casualties in Donbas (as of July, 2021) was 13,200-13,400 people killed and 29,600-33,600 wounded.

“A report from human rights watchdog Amnesty International claims the Ukrainian military is guilty of the widespread use of tactics that constitute war crimes, including using populated residential areas, schools, and hospitals as de facto military bases,” Washington Examiner reported on August 4.
In other words, the media, NGOs, and almost the entirety of the US Congress (including the senile wreck occupying the executive), have turned the truth on its head in astounding Orwellian fashion.

Some members of Congress are demanding Putin be assassinated, an attitude that would be more than welcome at Myrotvorets.

In particular, the demented warmonger Senator Lindsey Graham tweeted in March:

“The only way this ends is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out. You would be doing your country — and the world — a great service.”

Evgueny Karas, outed in June as both a neo-Nazi (leader of SICH-C14) and an SBU agent, has given interviews denouncing Jews, gay people, and of course any ethnic group, especially Russian, that is not of “pure” Ukrainian blood. C14 is implicated in a number of violent events, including the murder of journalists.

The SBU excels at torture and murder. For instance, 74 year old Diana Prokofevna Nikiforova, “was told that she was a member of a sub-race in Ukraine, that of the Russians, whose language was no longer recognized, whose history and civilisation were being mocked,” according to Donbass Insider. She was mercilessly beaten for three hours by SBU goons. The abuses of the SBU and its ultranationalist leadership are too many to list here.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 7:05 pm

A Tommy Cooper Joke.

A Man walks into a Bar and says ‘Ouch’. It was an Iron Bar………………………

bespoke
bespoke
September 12, 2022 7:05 pm

The lawyer’s son wanted to follow in his father’s footsteps, so he went to law school and graduated with honors. Then he went home to join his father’s firm.

At the end of his first day at work, he rushed into his father’s office and said, “Father, father! In one day I broke the Smith case that you’ve been working on for so long!”

His father yelled, “You idiot! We’ve been living on the funding of that case for ten years!”

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The first question the website asked was what date was the fine ?
Which I didn’t know , because I didn’t get it !

So make up a date.
1st January 1930, or something.

Is the review by Magistrate a desktop review based on your online submission?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 12, 2022 7:08 pm

KD @ 06:41

That was so fucking bad I laughed.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 12, 2022 7:09 pm

.”This has been a year of significant disruption in health care anyway and we have thousands of people around the country who have booked surgery

And that mid wit Sleazy has promised that operations won’t stop. Too bad about that person who had been waiting 18 months for a specialist, only to have it postponed because of a last minute public holiday.

Frank
Frank
September 12, 2022 7:09 pm

It is simply not right to mention Obama in connection with the Queen without referencing his gift to her of an ipod containing his speeches upon the occasion his coronation.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 7:13 pm

A lawyer was working in his office when Satan appeared. “I can make it so you win every case in your career and make huge piles of money. In exchange you will give me your soul, your wife’s soul, your children’s souls, your parent’s souls, your grandparent’s souls and the souls of all your friends!” The lawyer thought it over for a moment and then asked “What’s the catch?”

LOL

Old bloke
Old bloke
September 12, 2022 7:13 pm

dover0beach says:
September 12, 2022 at 1:36 pm

JC, there was no rout. It looks like RUS had been pulling out most of their forces from Kharkov for weeks and leaving a skeleton crew to fall back if UKR pushed.

There are also suggestions that the UKR forces have fallen into a trap, they are now in a salient and could be easily surrounded.

Alex Christoforou – Narratives Pre-Izyum withdrawal. Sahra Wagenknecht, we are stupidest government in Europe. Update 1

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 12, 2022 7:14 pm

chrisl at 6:42 – anyone who is still in Victoriastan at this point has only themselves to blame. Just move interstate and forget about them.

m0nty
m0nty
September 12, 2022 7:15 pm

Only by cutting red & green tape and implementing workplace reforms to increase productivity, among other important actions.

Productivity has risen twice as fast as wages over the past 20 years in Australia, a trend that is getting worse over time. They detached from each other long ago.

You need to update your talking points, Roger.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
September 12, 2022 7:16 pm

I bought a wig today. Only one dollar!
It was a small price toupee………………………………..

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 7:18 pm

There was a competition between a team of blondes and a team of brunettes to see who could catch the most fish ice fishing. Once the contest started, it was clear that the brunettes were going to win… they kept pulling out fish after fish. Soon, the blondes got worried and sent over one of their team to see what the brunettes were doing differently. A few minutes later, the blonde comes running back. “A hole! You need to put a hole in the ice!”

Cassie of Sydney
September 12, 2022 7:20 pm

What a farce, the Sniffer in Chief is not an Anglophile, over the years he’s been quite open about his contempt towards the UK, and one of the first things he did after being inaugurated was to remove the statue of Churchill from the Oval Office. Obama also hated the British monarchy and was dismissive of the both the monarchy and Britain.

Donald Trump, the son of a Scotswoman, loves the UK, loved the Queen and reinstated the statue of Churchill in the Oval Office.

Yet it’ll be the hypocritical Sniffer who attends her funeral.

We really live in ghastly times.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 7:22 pm

Two now for the price of one…………………………..

My mate asked me “What do you think of voluntary work?” I said “I wouldn’t do it if you paid me”.

A man meets an older woman in the bar. They hit it off pretty well and a few drinks, or 6, the woman says to the man “Have you ever done it with a mother and daughter at the same time?” The man looks at the woman and figuring she looked pretty good for a woman in her 50’s so her daughter was probably a hot 30 y/o and it was a tick off the bucket list. The man readily agrees and they go back to the woman’s house. The man’s excitement was building until they walked through the front door and the woman yelled, “Mum, are you awake?”

m0nty
m0nty
September 12, 2022 7:23 pm

Trumpist whining about how he doesn’t get to attend the Queen’s funeral is hilarious, more please!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 12, 2022 7:23 pm

The fool who failed Economics 1 at Monash … Monash!!,

How do you actually do that?

bespoke
bespoke
September 12, 2022 7:26 pm

Just move interstate and forget about them.

Stay away from SA please.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2022 7:28 pm

Expecting by next week the AMA will be asking “Why is monarchy a granny-killer?”

They have a valid point in regard to the negative impact the unscheduled public holiday will place on already strained elective surgery lists.

And, fwiw, when my gp practice was refusing to admit unvaccinated people onto the premsies, the AMA was maintaining this was unethical.

So, credit where it’s due.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 12, 2022 7:29 pm

Mother Lode at 6:43.
Didn’t Obumbi gift the Queen a CD of his (cough) “soaring oratory”.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 7:29 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
September 12, 2022 at 7:20 pm
What a farce, the Sniffer in Chief is not an Anglophile, over the years he’s been quite open about his contempt towards the UK, and one of the first things he did after being inaugurated was to remove the statue of Churchill from the Oval Office. Obama also hated the British monarchy and was dismissive of the both the monarchy and Britain.

Donald Trump, the son of a Scotswoman, loves the UK, loved the Queen and reinstated the statue of Churchill in the Oval Office.

Yet it’ll be the hypocritical Sniffer who attends her funeral.

We really live in ghastly times.

And Sir Winston Churchills Mum was from the USA. How disrespectful of those Arseholes. They just don’t know their History.

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 7:30 pm

Productivity has risen twice as fast as wages over the past 20 years in Australia

please explain how

Cassie of Sydney
September 12, 2022 7:32 pm

“Trumpist whining about how he doesn’t get to attend the Queen’s funeral is hilarious, more please!”

No maggot, not “whining”, no former president or PM are invited and nor should they be. All I was doing was pointing out the hypocrisy, something you, maggot, revel in.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 7:33 pm

“Then you would only be partially right. Ukraine’s military has been murdering their own citizens- men, women and kids since 2014. So you really shouldn’t be such a smart arse gloating over their deaths by cheering on Zhelensky’s neo-nazi crims and thugs. What’s worse, the saintly west and other assorted ignoramii support that state sponsored genocide with a sick fervor primarily to deflect from their own stench of corruption.”

Not that simple.

Where were the ultranationalists in 1991?

2008?

2014?

2022?

That is a problem which has grown worse.

Russia has been waging low intensity warfare since at least 2014 and using phoney wholly Russian backed, manned & controlled “separatist movements”.

I doubt Russian special forces or cops go along with the Geneva Conventions or the UN HDR or similar, Snowden showed the west too has little virtue.

I doubt these groups would have grown and been enabled without Putin trying to be a latter day Slavic Bismarck.

Frank
Frank
September 12, 2022 7:33 pm

They can’t send Biden to the UK bash, he keeps shitting himself whenever he meets the foreign heads of state. Needs a corkin’.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 7:33 pm

And anuvver one……………………..

Three engineers and three accountants were travelling by train to a conference.

At the station, the three accountants each buy tickets and watch as the three engineers buy only a single ticket.

“How are you three going to travel on only one ticket?” one of the accountants asks. “Watch and you will see” answers one of the engineers.

They all board the train. The three accountants take their respective seats, but the three engineers all cram into a restroom and close the door behind them.

Shortly after the train has departed, the conductor comes around collecting tickets. He knocks on the restroom door and says “Ticket please”.

The door opens just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in hand. The conductor takes it and moves on.

The accountants saw this and agreed it was a very clever idea. So after the conference, they decide to copy the engineers and purchase a single ticket on the return journey to save money.

When they get to the station, they buy a single ticket there. To their amazement, the engineers buy no tickets at all.

One of the accountants asks “How are you going to travel without any ticket?” “Watch and you will see” one of the engineers replies.

When they board the train, the three accountants cram into one restroom and the three engineers cram into another one nearby. The train departs.

Shortly after it has departed, one of the engineers leaves his place and walks over to the restroom where the accountants are hiding. He knocks on the door and says “Ticket please”.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 12, 2022 7:33 pm

In a country pub and asked for slice of lemon or lime to go in my drink. Barman gets a plastic container and then proceeds to use his hands to put three pieces of lime in a glass. I say lucky I am not worried about Covid and it does not even register why I might say that.

Go into the restaurant and empty lime out of glass.

I am generally not a fussy guy but even I care about hygiene.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 7:34 pm

Productivity has risen twice as fast as wages over the past 20 years in Australia

I doubt it in the last three years as government has been in a hiring spree with wages better than comparable private sector jobs.

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 7:35 pm

two drums and a cymbal fall off a cliff …

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 7:36 pm

… just reported my own comment for that

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2022 7:36 pm

Productivity has risen twice as fast as wages over the past 20 years in Australia, a trend that is getting worse over time. They detached from each other long ago.

And why do you think that is, monty?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2022 7:37 pm

Monty – I’m amused by the rules. Commercial flights only. Buses from the airport. Can you imagine a bus full of heads of state? It’d be chaos, and the security guys would be all having kittens.

I haven’t worked out where the rules have come from yet, but I suspect His Royal Greenness.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 7:38 pm

There are also suggestions that the UKR forces have fallen into a trap, they are now in a salient and could be easily surrounded.

Jesus Christ guys.

The salient was a trap.
The retreat is a trap.

Maybe so many Russian generals and colonels have died, their best troops are dead and they’ve lost too many tanks? The war isn’t popular and costing 20% of GDP.

Do they even have nukes? Or are they cardboard cutouts?

Okay, I started off reasonably, then ended a little over the top.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2022 7:40 pm

We really live in ghastly times.

No doubt, but these things are arranged on a pro forma basis.

As a head of state(s), the Queen’s funeral is a state affair, not a private one.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 7:41 pm

Productivity has risen twice as fast as wages over the past 20 years in Australia, a trend that is getting worse over time. They detached from each other long ago.

ROFLMAO. More evidence explaining why m0nty-fa failed Economics 1 at Monash.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 7:42 pm

monty have you looked at government spending and compulsory labour on-costs in the last 20, particularly the last ten years?

Now how does that interact with real wages?

Remember during 2011, labour productivity growth actually fell.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 7:45 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
September 12, 2022 at 7:23 pm
The fool who failed Economics 1 at Monash … Monash!!,

How do you actually do that?

Read his various comments since around 1500. It will all become clear.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2022 7:47 pm

Productivity has risen twice as fast as wages over the past 20 years in Australia, a trend that is getting worse over time. They detached from each other long ago.

And why do you think that is, monty?

I note it’s taking some time for the penny to drop.

Indolent
Indolent
September 12, 2022 7:48 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 7:53 pm

Rogersays:
September 12, 2022 at 7:47 pm
Productivity has risen twice as fast as wages over the past 20 years in Australia, a trend that is getting worse over time. They detached from each other long ago.

And why do you think that is, monty?

I note it’s taking some time for the penny to drop.

It could take a while before Homer or SfB respond with additional talking points.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2022 7:54 pm

I’ll retire to my study and check back tomorrow.

Strange days when a Tory finds himself defending the interests of Australian workers against a Laborite.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 7:54 pm

If Russia wanted to help Ukrainians, because they live in a poor crap hole, why didn’t they just let them come to Russia in the first place and give them citizenship without an invasion?

You have to be embarrassed militarily first?

DaFisk
DaFisk
September 12, 2022 7:54 pm

Then you would only be partially right. Ukraine’s military has been murdering their own citizens- men, women and kids since 2014. So you really shouldn’t be such a smart arse gloating over their deaths by cheering on Zhelensky’s neo-nazi crims and thugs. What’s worse, the saintly west and other assorted ignoramii support that state sponsored genocide with a sick fervor primarily to deflect from their own stench of corruption.

Yes! I’m well aware. I heard all about it on RT.com. I’m just curious as to why much of the Alt-Right, who want to introduce race-based restrictions in migration policy, are all that fussed about “Ukrainian nazis”…

m0nty
m0nty
September 12, 2022 7:56 pm

And why do you think that is, monty?

PhDs get written on such subjects, there is no definitive answer. If you think you have one simple response, you’re wrong.

I would contend that the lessening of union power over time would be one factor, but not the only one.

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 7:58 pm

I’ll retire to my study

do you need my Webley ?

m0nty
m0nty
September 12, 2022 7:59 pm

JC likes to say I went to Monash for economics but it was actually Melbourne, BTW.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 7:59 pm

PhDs get written on such subjects, there is no definitive answer. If you think you have one simple response, you’re wrong.

No. The response is simple, but multifaceted.

I would contend that the lessening of union power over time would be one factor, but not the only one.

Which is why the train bruvvas have Sydney by the balls and Dan Andrews gets away with corrupt fuckery.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 7:59 pm

A man walks into a bar and orders a 12-year-old scotch.

The bartender, believing that the customer will not be able to tell the difference, pours him a shot of the cheap 3-year-old house scotch that has been poured into an empty bottle of the good stuff.

The man takes a sip and spits the scotch out on the bar and reams the bartender.

“This is the cheapest 3-year-old scotch you can buy. I’m not paying for it. Now, give me a good 12-year-old scotch”.

The bartender, now feeling a bit of a challenge, pours him a scotch of much better quality, 6-year-old scotch. The man takes a sip and spits it out on the bar.

“This is only 6-year-old scotch. I won’t pay for this, and I insist on a good, 12-year-old scotch”.

The bartender finally relents and serves the man his best quality, 12-year-old scotch. The man sips the drink and says “Now that’s more like it”.

An old drunk from the end of the bar, who has witnessed the entire episode, walks down to the finicky scotch drinker and sets a glass down in front of him and asks “What do you think of this?”

The scotch expert takes a sip, and in disgust, violently spits out the liquid yelling “THIS TASTES LIKE PISS”. To which the old drunk replies “That’s right, now guess how old I am”.

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 8:00 pm

PhDs get written on such subjects

do they?

which ones mUnty?

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 8:00 pm

According to Ukrainians sources, Dot.

“Just as planned”

Is Putin actually the Chaos god Tzeench?

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 12, 2022 8:02 pm

Don’t leave us hanging mUnty.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 12, 2022 8:04 pm

Failing Melbourne economics is much more acceptable.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The lessening of union power would be a contributor to productivity increasing.
Twice as much gets done without the dead hand of union intervention there to wreak havoc.

DaFisk
DaFisk
September 12, 2022 8:08 pm

When you think about it, Zelenskyy is a total genius. He was able to recruit all the nazis of Ukraine into a single battalion, despite their likely misgivings in serving a Jewish president, and send them on a hail mary mission to Mariupol where they would pin down three brigades of Russians over 12 weeks while they slowly starved to death! He’s a wily operator, that Zelenskyy, but then I guess they all are!!

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 8:09 pm

So the salient being ultra vulnerable and not counterattacked was just 5D chess to retreat, right?

Right?

miltonf
miltonf
September 12, 2022 8:15 pm

Strange days when a Tory finds himself defending the interests of Australian workers against a Laborite.

It proves Kim Beazley Snr was correct re Labor being taken over by the dregs of the middle class.

Indolent
Indolent
September 12, 2022 8:15 pm
Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 8:16 pm

The reasons why I don’t believe Russian narratives are:

1. They should have won already.

2. Retreating coming up to the northern hemisphere winter achieves what exactly? Sure it’s not as bad as winter in Russia, particularly the north, but it’s cold enough to damage vehicles and poorly equipped people. There’s also the issue of the ground being impassable with too much moisture. It is a stupid tactic and strategically dumb. They don’t truly want to do this.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 12, 2022 8:19 pm

m0ntysays:
September 12, 2022 at 7:15 pm
Only by cutting red & green tape and implementing workplace reforms to increase productivity, among other important actions.

Productivity has risen twice as fast as wages over the past 20 years in Australia, a trend that is getting worse over time. They detached from each other long ago.

What makes you think that?
Where’s the proof that wages weren’t way higher than justified by productivity 20 years ago and the two things haven’t now converged?
Unless there’s proof one way or the other there’s no point in whining that it’s different now than it was 20 years ago.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 12, 2022 8:23 pm

Rogersays:

September 12, 2022 at 7:28 pm

Expecting by next week the AMA will be asking “Why is monarchy a granny-killer?”

They have a valid point in regard to the negative impact the unscheduled public holiday will place on already strained elective surgery lists.

FMD.
A friend of Mrs P’s has been undergoing a series of tests.
The GPs have an idea what it is – serious stuff – but she is waiting on a final diagnosis from a specialist in the public system.
Scheduled for next Thursday 22nd.
Oops, no it isn’t.
Them Tik-Tok nurses need their day off to mourn.

m0nty
m0nty
September 12, 2022 8:24 pm

You have to remember that the brane geniuses who are now pushing the GRU line of “Putin is playing 11D chess, just you wait” are the ones who also said Trump was going to stroll to victory in 2020.

Indolent
Indolent
September 12, 2022 8:27 pm

I posted this newsletter from from Steve Kirsch this morning.

I must say I think some of the responses from the CDC staff seem a touch disingenuous. What was that about not understanding something if your livelihood depends on that?

But what really jumped out at me was this:

I heard that at Kaiser, they are now seeing new young patients with cancer at the rate of once a day. Before the vaccines, it was a few times a year.

And that’s children. Hardly the category for delayed diagnosis.

bespoke
bespoke
September 12, 2022 8:27 pm

Had a hearing test booked for the 22nd confirmed today.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 8:27 pm

Productivity has risen twice as fast as wages over the past 20 years in Australia, a trend that is getting worse over time. They detached from each other long ago.

To be fair to m0nty-fa, there has been a detachment between productivity and wages over the past 20 years, but he missed that it occurred only in the public sector (Commonwealth, state and local government). He also read the graph upside down. Wages rose twice as fast (if not even faster) than productivity in that sector, and the trend continues.

Elsewhere – need to see his evidence, but the assumption (because it is m0nty-fa) must be that he continues his record run of wrongology.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 8:28 pm

And just to show that I have nuffink’ to do wiv’ Joo bashing like Monkeypox………………………

A mixed group of Soviet Citizens are in line outside a butchers in Vitebsk, 1950.

The butcher comes out, and says “Comrades, due to problems with the supply structure, there is limited meat today. All Jews must leave the line”.

The Jews leave the line.

Time passes. After several hours the butcher comes out and says “Comrades! Due to the needs of Comrade Stalin’s Politburo, the meat supplies are reduced. All non-Russians will not get meat today. Please leave the line”.

The Kazakhs and Georgians together with the Uzbeks trudge off in the snow with their empty bags.

The Russians huddle together shivering. Snow falls. Time passes.

Then the butcher returns “Comrades! Due to a lack of gasoline, only one truck has been assigned to meat transportation. Will all NON-PARTY MEMBERS please go home!”

The two dozen of Vitebsk’s finest stand waiting as the Ivan’s trudge their meatless way home.

After a LONG time, the butcher returns, and says “No meat today!” and hangs up a ‘Closed’ sign.

The Secretary of Vitebsk’s Communist Party turns to the under-secretary and says bitterly “Bloody Jews always get the best of everything”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 8:29 pm

Rogersays:
September 12, 2022 at 7:54 pm
I’ll retire to my study and check back tomorrow.

Strange days when a Tory finds himself defending the interests of Australian workers against a Laborite.

Not really, when you look at how close Labor and the Big End of Town have become since around the turn of the century.

m0nty
m0nty
September 12, 2022 8:29 pm

Where’s the proof that wages weren’t way higher than justified by productivity 20 years ago and the two things haven’t now converged?

You’re a bit of a pillock, aren’t you Tim.

shatterzzz
September 12, 2022 8:32 pm

The first question the website asked was what date was the fine ?
Which I didn’t know , because I didn’t get it !
Back to square one!
Bureaucracy at its best

I got the same sort of rubbish from the MediBank website .. what was the serial no. of your last refund into bank account …
Last time I claimed off Medibank they were still using cash-over-the-counter payments .. duuuh!

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 8:33 pm

I would contend that the lessening of union power over time would be one factor, but not the only one.

The corruption of union power as the interests of the unions and the Big End of Town started to merge a couple of decades ago seems more likely. Think Shorten and the AWU selling their members down the river for political campaign contributions.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 12, 2022 8:34 pm

m0ntysays:
September 12, 2022 at 8:29 pm
[Where’s the proof that wages weren’t way higher than justified by productivity 20 years ago and the two things haven’t now converged?]

You’re a bit of a pillock, aren’t you Tim.

English translation: poor old mentally defective m0nty has beclowned himself again, but won’t admit it.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 8:36 pm

m0ntysays:
September 12, 2022 at 8:24 pm
You have to remember that the brane geniuses who are now pushing the GRU line of “Putin is playing 11D chess, just you wait” are the ones who also said Trump was going to stroll to victory in 2020.

MontyPox. Please learn to spell Engrish. Brane is spelt brain here in Horse Trailer. Don’t yer’ know the Queens Engrish you FAT TWAT? And where did you go to Skool? Did you ever go to Skool?

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 8:37 pm

America took THREE WEEKS to conquer Iraq.

Russia has taken almost seven months after undermining Ukraine for eight years, they hold maybe 1/4 of the territory and have suffered losses that makes them much less of a power on the world stage.

Putin did not plan for ANY of this.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 8:39 pm

m0ntysays:
September 12, 2022 at 8:29 pm
Where’s the proof that wages weren’t way higher than justified by productivity 20 years ago and the two things haven’t now converged?

You’re a bit of a pillock, aren’t you Tim.

Translation: m0nty-fa is talking through the wrong end of his anatomy.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2022 8:40 pm

Boambee Johnsays:
September 12, 2022 at 8:33 pm
I would contend that the lessening of union power over time would be one factor, but not the only one.

The corruption of union power as the interests of the unions and the Big End of Town started to merge a couple of decades ago seems more likely. Think Shorten and the AWU selling their members down the river for political campaign contributions.

Another half a million in fines for the thugs at the CFMMEU

CFMMEU and representatives penalised $495,000 over work stoppages at Melbourne University Veterinary School project site

Australian Building and Construction Commission

The Federal Court has today penalised the CFMMEU and three of its representatives $495,000 after they organised unlawful industrial action at the Melbourne University Veterinary School project site.

The ABCC commenced the legal action after the representatives’ actions resulted in work being stopped at the project site in July 2018.

CFMMEU official Kane Pearson and shop steward Dario Maloni admitted to two contraventions of the Building and Construction Industry (Improving Productivity) Act 2016, while official Paul Tzimas admitted to one contravention of the Act.

The CFMMEU was also found to have contravened the Act five times as a result of the representatives’ actions.

The unlawful industrial action took place on 13 and 26 July 2018 during construction of the university’s four-storey learning and teaching building, an extension of the veterinary hospital in Werribee in Melbourne’s west.

On 13 July 2018, Mr Maloni and Mr Pearson led about 35 workers into the site sheds during working hours and held the door shut so that site management could not enter.

After about 30 minutes, when the doors were unblocked, the senior project manager told the workers that the meeting was unlawful and directed them to return to work.

After the majority of the workers returned to work, Mr Maloni physically prevented the remaining workers from leaving the sheds by blocking the doorway.

On 26 July 2018, Mr Pearson, Mr Tzimas and Mr Maloni entered the lunch shed whilst workers were on a break and held a meeting, after which the workers did not return to work when their break ended at 9:50am.

WorkSafe attended the site after the representatives raised alleged safety issues. WorkSafe Inspectors concluded that there was no reasonable cause for employees to be concerned for their safety and no reason for a cessation of work. Despite this, the workers did not return to work until shortly after 12:30pm.

The judgment of the Court had this to say about the CFMMEU:

The courts have recounted the CFMMEU’s notorious recidivism on many occasions. It is a serial offender, which has “historically acted in disregard of the law and appeared to treat the imposition of pecuniary penalties … as ‘little more than the cost of its preferred business model’”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 8:41 pm

Timothy N

Snap, almost.

Arky
September 12, 2022 8:49 pm

dover0beach says:
September 12, 2022 at 8:38 pm

..
It’s truly amazing to watch in actual real time what is going on in your brain as this unfolds.
No disrespect Dover, but it really is something to behold.
Out of curiosity, is there something you could state now, some conditions that would occur, that would finally have you doubting the honesty of the sources you have been imbibing?

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 8:49 pm

Dover

That’s an interesting line you argument you’re pushing. The Russians are winning through retreat? If that’s what you’re saying it must be the first time in history a side wins by going backwards.

Arky
September 12, 2022 8:50 pm

Could occur

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 8:53 pm

Leadership, are you serious? You’ve stated the Chicoms are after you because you’re receiving marketing calls from unlisted numbers and you’re trying to give Dover a hard time.

The fuck.. get back on the meds you clown.

local oaf
September 12, 2022 8:56 pm

If that’s what you’re saying it must be the first time in history a side wins by going backwards.

The Parthians managed it quite nicely against Crassus. 😉

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 8:57 pm

Retreating, local oaf.

Backwards and retreating aren’t identical.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 8:58 pm

Speechless, just freaking speechless.

Dover , you dodged a bullet.

and
and
September 12, 2022 8:59 pm

m0ntysays:
September 12, 2022 at 7:59 pm
JC likes to say I went to Monash for economics but it was actually Melbourne, BTW.

Yep. Keep the facts straight. Mont failed at a more prestigious institution.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:00 pm

The Soviets were arm in arm with the Nazis to carve up Poland in 1939. I would not trust those crunts ever.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 12, 2022 9:03 pm

America took THREE WEEKS to conquer Iraq.

America NEVER conquered Iraq – they occupied it but they never took it. I was there, we got our arses handed to us….. my hospital was getting 50 helicopter medical flights onto the pad each day.

In the end, (to paraphrase Giap) … ‘they lost 10 of theirs for every one of ours, and in the end it was us who grew tired of it…..’

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 12, 2022 9:05 pm

If that’s what you’re saying it must be the first time in history a side wins by going backwards.

Sun Tsu:

be strong where the enemy is weak
be weak where the enemy is strong
retreat when the enemy advances
advance when the enemy retreats….

and
and
September 12, 2022 9:07 pm

Mont was later invited to study at the Bodine School of Economix at the University of Hooterville.

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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2022 9:07 pm

The Parthians managed it quite nicely against Crassus. ?

Cannae.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:10 pm

Confucius he say –

Man who takes Girl up on Hill not o level………………………….

JR

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:14 pm

LOL. Not on level I mean. Typo again………………………..

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2022 9:15 pm

Funny conversation with one of the Chinese blokes.

He’s been either on site or in camp for 2 years, only these two places, so I was showing him photos of what the rest of the country looks like:

Q: What’s Australia like?

A: Great country, great people, shit government! Just like China!

Man he laughed his guts out!

DaFisk
DaFisk
September 12, 2022 9:17 pm

Out of curiosity, is there something you could state now, some conditions that would occur, that would finally have you doubting the honesty of the sources you have been imbibing?

I think when “Armchair Warlord” announces he finally got laid, it will obviously be time for a rethink.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2022 9:18 pm

Defence ducks probe into war crimes accountability
An independent panel appointed to oversee the ADF’s response to the Brereton inquiry found it failed to pay ­sufficient attention to its ‘corporate responsibility as an organisation’ for the murders of at least 39 ­Afghan prisoners and civilians by 25 Australian special forces ­soldiers.

Exclusive
Ben Packham
Foreign Affairs and Defence Correspondent
@bennpackham
8 minutes ago September 12, 2022

Defence has avoided a recommended inquiry into the accountability of senior commanders for war crimes identified in the Brereton report and continues to distance itself from the report’s findings, snubbing the presentation of a rare Medal for Gallantry to an SAS soldier.

The Australian can reveal an independent panel appointed to oversee the Australian Defence Force’s response to the Brereton inquiry found it failed to pay ­sufficient attention to its “corporate responsibility as an organisation” for the murders of at least 39 ­Afghan prisoners and civilians by 25 Australian special forces ­soldiers.

Documents obtained under Freedom of Information legislation show the Afghanistan ­Inquiry Oversight Panel recom­mended to the Morrison govern­ment in March 2021 that a “top down” inquiry be undertaken into Defence’s “corporate responsibility” for the crimes. It failed to take up the advice, commissioning ­instead a “lessons learned” paper that was criticised by the panel for its failure to ­address the “strong criticisms and sense of unfairness” over the lack of command ­accountability for the crimes.

The Albanese government also has no intention of opening ­another inquiry into Defence’s ­response to the report.

The Australian obtained the documents as the special forces community buzzed with the news that Special Air Service Regiment “Trooper B” was formally presented last week with a Medal for Gallantry, a decade after it was earned in the July 2, 2012, Chora Valley battle in which Sergeant Blaine Diddams was killed.

It’s understood only the soldier’s close family and friends ­attended the service, marking the award that was formally gazetted in 2019. The Australian is not suggesting Trooper B had any ­involvement in the crimes identified by the Brereton inquiry.

The Afghanistan Inquiry Oversight Panel, appointed by former defence minister Linda Reynolds, compared Defence’s response to the Brereton report unfavourably with private sector responses to major corporate failures. “In the private sector, major corporate failures result in both organisational and individual responsibility,” it said.

“A common first step in responding to such a governance failure is for the leaders to accept organisational responsibility and announce plans to address the ­issues raised and improve governance arrangements to prevent it happening again.” The panel cited recent examples including the resignations of NAB’s chair and chief executive and AMP’s chair following the Hayne royal commission into the banking industry, the resignation of Crown Casino directors over money-laundering revelations, and the resignation by Rio Tinto’s CEO following the destruction of the sacred Juukan caves.

It said Defence needed to consider “the shortcomings in its governance arrangements” that allowed such an organisational failure to take place; “whether any senior officers who held office at the relevant time bear any personal responsibility”; and future governance arrangements to prevent such a failure recurring.

Defence publicly released a four-year plan in July 2021 to ­respond to the Brereton inquiry’s findings, focusing on cultural ­reforms, the weeding out of wrongdoers and the stripping of medals from unworthy recipients.

The panel, comprising former Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Vivienne Thom, former Attorney-General’s Department secretary Robert Cornall and ethicist Rufus Black, said the response was a “bottom up” exercise “focused primarily at the operational and not Defence’s most senior governance level … As a ­result, the reforms are contained in a reasonably narrow compass focused mainly on the middle and lower ranks. By framing ­Defence’s response to the report in that way, the panel considers the plan does not pay appropriate attention to Defence’s corporate responsibility as an organisation.”

It said a “top down” inquiry should be considered to determine whether organisational pol­icies “contributed to the alleged crimes and other misconduct”, and to develop a plan to address such issues.

In the absence of such an inquiry, Chief of the Defence Force Angus Campbell appointed Major General Andrew Hocking to prepare a report on “key organisational lessons from the ­Afghanistan campaign”.

The panel criticised the report, declaring: “(It) does not address the strong criticisms and sense of unfairness expressed by some present and past members of the special forces about the lack of ­organisational and senior officer accountability for any aspect of the events … in Afghanistan.”

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

who also said Trump was going to stroll to victory in 2020.

Trump did stroll to victory in 2020.

cohenite
September 12, 2022 9:19 pm

Trumpist whining about how he doesn’t get to attend the Queen’s funeral is hilarious, more please!

In your case, more dick I suppose. And who gives fuck what uni you cleaned the toilets in.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:19 pm

We had a power cut at my place this morning and my PC, laptop, TV, DVD, iPad and my new surround sound music system were all shut down. Then I discovered that my iPhone battery was dead and to top it off it was raining so I couldn’t play golf. I went into the kitchen to make coffee and then I remembered that this also needs power, so I talked with my wife for a few hours. She seems like a nice person.

Cassie of Sydney
September 12, 2022 9:21 pm

“And who gives fuck what uni you cleaned the toilets in.”

He also failed toilet cleaning at uni.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2022 9:22 pm

At the substantial risk of involvement in Russia v Ukraine debate, and reiterating that I care not one whit as to the result, I will mention that:

1. In 1812, Napoleon invaded Russia. In June. In the latter half of the year the Russians retreated up to and in fact past Moscow, burning it to deny Nappers the shelter he required for winter in northern Europe;
2. In 1941, the filthy Boche invaded Russia. In June. In the latter half of the year the Russians retreated up to, and just short of Moscow. The Kraut soldiers called the campaign medal for that on ‘the Order of the Frozen Flesh’; and
3. In 1942, they charged across Ukraine looking for the Caucasus oil reserves. In the latter half of the year, the Russians retreated as far as Stalingrad. The average December maximum in Kiev is 0.3 Celsius. In Stalingrad in the winter of 1942/3 it dropped to -40 regularly.

The Russians know their history. They also know the value of short supply lines in brutal European winters, and although I’ve never lived outside during them I know I don’t want to.

It would be unsurprising to me if this wasn’t a tactic. It’s been used for millennia in that part of the world, and there is a reason why Europe has ‘fighting seasons’.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2022 9:22 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
September 12, 2022 at 9:07 pm
The Parthians managed it quite nicely against Crassus. ?

Cannae.

The German strategists and tacticians of the 19th and 20th Centuries saw Cannae as the ideal battle, hence their obsession with encirclement battles or cauldrons. They didn’t notice that the Romans won the Second Punic War, defeating the Carthaginians some 14 years later. Germany learned how to win battles, but only sometimes how to win wars.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:22 pm


After a trial had been going on for three days, Harrison, the man accused of committing the crimes, stood up and approached the judge’s bench. “Your Honour, I would like to change my plea from ‘innocent’ to ‘guilty’ of the charges”. The judge angrily banged his fist on the desk “If you’re guilty, why didn’t you say so in the first place and save this court a lot of time and inconvenience?” he demanded. Harrison looked up wide-eyed and stated “Well, when the trial started I thought I was innocent, but that was before I heard all the evidence against me”.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 9:23 pm

America took THREE WEEKS to conquer Iraq.

America NEVER conquered Iraq – they occupied it but they never took it. I was there, we got our arses handed to us….. my hospital was getting 50 helicopter medical flights onto the pad each day.

The Americans actually did “conquer” Iraq in a few weeks. Both the US and Russia are essentially using the samtactics for vaguely similar objectives.

Also that Sun Tsu sounds like crap:

be strong where the enemy is weak

No shit sherlock

be weak where the enemy is strong

Lol crap.

retreat when the enemy advances

Italians did that. Worked a treat.

advance when the enemy retreats….

No shit sherlock.

Duk, the easy conclusion is the stuff is errant nonsense.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2022 9:26 pm

Russian energy revenues forecast to soar

Additional earnings are expected to reach $6.67 billion in September, the finance ministry says

Russia expects to receive a boost in revenues from energy exports this month, according to its finance ministry. September is expected to bring an extra $6.67 billion into the state coffers, adding to August’s additional earnings of $1.4 billion.

“Thus, the total amount of funds to be received as additional oil and gas revenues will reach $8.07 billion,” the ministry said in a statement released last week.

According to the statement, the finance ministry is not planning to purchase foreign currency or gold with the extra funds received through energy sales.

In August, Western analysts predicted that Russia’s energy export revenues would surge by 38% year-on-year, totaling $337.5 billion in 2022. According to their outlook, energy export earnings will ease to $255.8 billion next year, but will still be higher than the 2021 figure of $244.2 billion.

Growing demand from some of the world’s major economies, including India and China, boosted Russia’s energy exports to the volumes seen prior to the conflict in Ukraine and subsequent Western sanctions. Moscow was forced to redirect supply to Asia and the Middle East, where countries refused to take sides in the conflict between Russia and the West.

Global energy prices have soared due to the sanctions war between Russia and Western nations, further boosting Moscow’s revenues.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 12, 2022 9:27 pm

Sun Tsu has been coaching Essendon I think.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 9:28 pm

Old ozzie

US$8 to US$10 billion a month for a nation the size of Russia and when you’re fighting a war, isn’t much cashola.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:30 pm

Paddy is fitting a kitchen in a posh house when the woman asks him if he’d like something to drink. Paddy accepts and soon after the woman brings him a mug of coffee. “Excellent coffee, to be sure” says Paddy. “Thank you” says the woman. “My husband brought it back from Brazil”. “That’s great” says Paddy “and it’s still warm as well”.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2022 9:32 pm

If you adhere to every one of Mr Tzu’s teachings all at the same time you’ll just go around in circles, you duffers.

cohenite
September 12, 2022 9:35 pm

Good article which enunciates my point I’ve been making for years: the right still believe there are rules and the left can be reasoned with. Little johnnie was on laws this morning; amidst the platitudes about the Queen, he and laws discussed the shit comments from the pirate, the kunt from pakistan and the 3rd nations bitch; little johnnie said he understood their passion and a discussion would happen but perhaps they could have waited until Betty was buried. The idiot doesn’t get it; he’s got a little white picket fence around his brain. The left doesn’t care, it’s their way or the gulag.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:35 pm

JCsays:
September 12, 2022 at 9:23 pm
America took THREE WEEKS to conquer Iraq.

America NEVER conquered Iraq – they occupied it but they never took it. I was there, we got our arses handed to us….. my hospital was getting 50 helicopter medical flights onto the pad each day.

The Americans actually did “conquer” Iraq in a few weeks. Both the US and Russia are essentially using the samtactics for vaguely similar objectives.

Also that Sun Tsu sounds like crap:

be strong where the enemy is weak

No shit sherlock

be weak where the enemy is strong

Lol crap.

retreat when the enemy advances

Italians did that. Worked a treat.

advance when the enemy retreats….

No shit sherlock.

Duk, the easy conclusion is the stuff is errant nonsense.

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OldOzziesays:
September 12, 2022 at 9:26 pm
Russian energy revenues forecast to soar

Additional earnings are expected to reach $6.67 billion in September, the finance ministry says

Russia expects to receive a boost in revenues from energy exports this month, according to its finance ministry. September is expected to bring an extra $6.67 billion into the state coffers, adding to August’s additional earnings of $1.4 billion.

“Thus, the total amount of funds to be received as additional oil and gas revenues will reach $8.07 billion,” the ministry said in a statement released last week.

According to the statement, the finance ministry is not planning to purchase foreign currency or gold with the extra funds received through energy sales.

In August, Western analysts predicted that Russia’s energy export revenues would surge by 38% year-on-year, totaling $337.5 billion in 2022. According to their outlook, energy export earnings will ease to $255.8 billion next year, but will still be higher than the 2021 figure of $244.2 billion.

Growing demand from some of the world’s major economies, including India and China, boosted Russia’s energy exports to the volumes seen prior to the conflict in Ukraine and subsequent Western sanctions. Moscow was forced to redirect supply to Asia and the Middle East, where countries refused to take sides in the conflict between Russia and the West.

Global energy prices have soared due to the sanctions war between Russia and Western nations, further boosting Moscow’s reve

JC you are a Pompous Windbag. Just go away.

P
P
September 12, 2022 9:36 pm
JC
JC
September 12, 2022 9:37 pm

This Sun Tse stuff is something people appear to get a rise from but it’s just mostly crap. I recently came across that nonsense about the Rules for Radicals. It’s just ridiculous crap. Turtlehead, in his wisdom, would often quote that turgid nonsense to sound smart.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 9:38 pm

JC you are a Pompous Windbag. Just go away.

Fuck off.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:40 pm

A prince was put under a spell so that he could speak only one word each year. If he didn’t speak for two years, the following year he could speak two words and so on. One day, he fell in love with a beautiful lady. He refrained from speaking for two whole years so he could call her “my darling”. But then he wanted to tell her he loved her, so he waited three more years. At the end of these five years, he wanted to ask her to marry him, so he waited another four years. Finally, as the ninth year of silence ended, he led the lady to the most romantic place in the kingdom and said “My darling, I love you! Will you marry me?” And the lady said “Pardon?”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2022 9:43 pm

Could This Be What Putin and the Mullahs Are Cooking Up?

On July 19, Russian president Vladimir Putin arrived in Iran on an official visit and held meetings with its president, Ebrahim Raisi, and its supreme leader, Ali Khamenei. There are substantial grounds to believe that during those meetings, a plot was hatched to upend the West’s “maximum pressure” strategy, which involves the levying of heavy economic sanctions on the two countries as well as on their ability to procure new armaments.

The plot, it now appears, is driven by two main elements. First, the weaponization of Gazprom — the Russian state-owned multinational energy behemoth — as the primary tool employed to realize its goals. Second, intensifying pressure on Western countries to conclude a new nuclear deal with Iran, which would also involve the lifting of sanctions on the exportation of Iranian oil and gas.

Apparently, the initial grounds for the plot were being laid already in May. That month, Russian deputy prime minister Alexander Novak arrived for talks in Tehran. The Russian news agency Interfax quoted him as saying, “We discussed the issue of supplying energy resources to the north of Iran so that logistically, Iran (since all its production facilities are located in the south) would not need to supply the north of the country. In turn, it will be easier for us to use for sales their products that are formed in the south, which is closer to our markets.”

Accordingly, Iran would import Russian crude off its northern Caspian coast and then sell an equivalent amount of crude in Iranian tankers originating from the Persian Gulf to Asia-Pacific markets. Iran will refine the Russian oil to meet its domestic demand, and once a nuclear deal is reached, Iranian oil exported from the south will be exempt from sanctions.

The Russian coup de grâce followed soon after. On August 30, Gazprom announced the indefinite suspension of all gas deliveries to Europe, citing an oil leak it supposedly detected at the Nord Stream 1 Portovaya compressor station.

The Iranians could now sit back and wait for Gazprom to deliver the West, instead of its usual cargo, to the negotiating table to sign a nuclear deal to Tehran’s liking. No wonder that the latest Iranian offer was less forthcoming than earlier versions.

A State Department spokesman was quoted in the Washington Post on September 1 as saying, “We are studying it [the new Iranian proposal] and will respond through the EU but unfortunately it is not constructive.”

But there is no mystery as to Iran’s tactics. The U.S. secretary’s consternation is surprising, given that Tehran’s calculations were recently articulated openly. In an interview in the Qatar-based international radio and TV broadcaster Al Jazeera on September 4, an adviser to Iran’s nuclear negotiating team, Mohammad Marandi, all but confirmed the Russo-Iranian plot when he reacted to the State Department spokesman’s comments by saying, “Iran will be patient. … Winter is approaching and the EU is facing a crippling energy crisis. … The Americans [also] know they will have domestic problems if the energy crisis continues.”

Further, Marandi’s disclosure that some European governments have already “asked Iran about oil as well as natural gas exports” certainly suggests the two countries had ample reason to believe their plot would work.

Thus, if the Russo-Iranian plot succeeds, not only will the West’s “maximum pressure” strategy be overturned, but both Russia and Iran’s geopolitical interests will be substantially advanced to the detriment of the free world. Of greatest concern, once the plot ends up forcing the West to sign the “reasonable” Iranian-offered nuclear deal, it would amount to a de facto endorsement of the mullahs’ scheme to acquire nuclear weapons a few years down the road.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:43 pm

JCsays:
September 12, 2022 at 9:38 pm
JC you are a Pompous Windbag. Just go away.

Fuck off.

Please feel free to over react and to use no profanity. You are showing your worst side……………….lol

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2022 9:45 pm

Anyway, “Sliante” to all you hairy mob. Mme Zulu’s test results have returned “negative” for any cancers. Cats will do me the courtesy of ignoring any incoherent posts.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 9:47 pm

I think when “Armchair Warlord” announces he finally got laid, it will obviously be time for a rethink.

Shots fired. We’re gonna need a bus.

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 9:47 pm

He also failed toilet cleaning at uni

too busy reading all those PhD theses?

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
September 12, 2022 9:48 pm

MT, re: https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/09/10/open-thread-weekend-10-sept-2022/comment-page-3/#comment-327895

for a person that lectures people on what they shoulda seen coming

You will not be able to substantiate that characterisation because I was being descriptive about the luxury of hindsight in rewinding dashcam videos, not at any time prescriptive of people looking in unusual places for rare events.

…you sure do know fuck all about business and law

That might be the only true statement in that whole diatribe.

consequently spent you whole life whining for a hand-out

That’s simply a lie because it in fact isn’t true. You are surely mistaking me for someone else.

crapping on about ABNs and business

Whether I was crapping on is a bit subjective, but when my point was backed with a quote from the ATO web site I don’t think my meandering argument can be called crapping on.

you said something idiotic about houses having ABNs

That’s simply a lie. Houses don’t have ABNs and that’s what I pointed out.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 9:48 pm

Rotten

You’ve schooled us in currencies, made predictions about Europe’s future pathway, and told us Goldman Sachs are crooks. When asked you’re to explain these views you fall over like drunk.

And you call other people windbags. You’re one of the worst here, you fatmouthed imbecile.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:48 pm

More Jokes for the Pompous Opinionated Windbag called JC. Is that Jesus Christ?………….LOL

Before celebrating a baptism, the deacon approached the young father and said solemnly “Baptism is a serious step. Are you sure you’re prepared for it?” “I think so” the man replied. “My wife has made appetisers and we have a caterer coming to provide plenty of cookies and cakes for our guests”. “I don’t mean that” the deacon replied. “I mean, are you prepared spiritually? “”Oh sure” came the reply. “I’ve got a keg of beer and a case of whiskey”.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 9:50 pm

More Jokes for the Pompous Opinionated Windbag called JC. Is that Jesus Christ?………….LOL

Oh God. Another one.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 9:51 pm

Mitch M

Finally got onto iHerb.

Probably buying the life extension liver thing and lacto bif probiotics.

Interesting reading.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3990183/

Evidences thus far suggest that hepatic triglyceride accumulation is not always derived from obesity; gut microbiota can also play a role in the development of insulin resistance, hepatic steatosis, necroinflammation and fibrosis. On the other hand, probiotics can strengthen the intestinal wall, reducing its permeability, bacterial translocation, and endotoxemia according to animal and human studies. They can also reduce oxidative and inflammatory liver damage, while improving the histological state in certain situations.

Incredible stuff. Marvellous.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 12, 2022 9:51 pm

Didn’t Obumbi gift the Queen a CD of his (cough) “soaring oratory”.

As I recall it was an iPod.

Amazing, huh?

Even the most patriotic American would acknowledge that England has at least with equal bounty been blessed by the rhetorical muse. And even in her own life Elizabeth knew the voice of Churchill who vowed an insane defiance against a man who was already the very byword of tyranny and when it was just little England with her empire so far away.

And then there were Obama’s speeches which were nothing more than how to bribe the greedy with the vanishing confiscated reward of the industrious in the name of that changeling ‘social’ justice which slits the throat of its namesake of true justice to sidle up a bit closer to the coffers.

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2022 9:54 pm

JCsays:
September 12, 2022 at 9:48 pm
Rotten

You’ve schooled us in currencies, made predictions about Europe’s future pathway, and told us Goldman Sachs are crooks. When asked you’re to explain these views you fall over like drunk.

And you call other people windbags. You’re one of the worst here, you fatmouthed imbecile.

You are the one who dropped to the level of profanity. Not me. So you just go away and learn some history. And how the World really works.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 9:54 pm

Put the cordial down, Dot.

Never!

I too am amazed that CORDIAL in black Sharpie discreetly covers “Tanqueray Fine London Gin”.

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2022 9:57 pm

He also failed toilet cleaning at uni
too busy reading all those PhD theses?

Nah, donut in, more toilet cleaning out. Never kept up.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 9:59 pm

You are the one who dropped to the level of profanity. Not me.

I’m so embarrassed. You’re right, I did and it was wrong of me.
Oh hang on, I’m not embarrassed and it wasn’t wrong because you’re loudmouthed fucking idiot who posts assertions without evidence. As I said, fuck off.

So you just go away and learn some history. And how the World really works.

I’d suggest that to you in reverse, but you’re not smart enough which is why you post stupid assertions and when challenged demand the right to free speech. You’re a waste of space. Fuck off.

Zipster
Zipster
September 12, 2022 10:02 pm

Could This Be What Putin and the Mullahs Are Cooking Up?

the obama… er biden admin has completely fucked up everything they touched

P
P
September 12, 2022 10:02 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
September 12, 2022 at 9:45 pm

Anyway, “Sliante” to all you hairy mob. Mme Zulu’s test results have returned “negative” for any cancers. Cats will do me the courtesy of ignoring any incoherent posts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQUTvMtUhw4

Real Deal
Real Deal
September 12, 2022 10:04 pm

Anyway, “Sliante” to all you hairy mob. Mme Zulu’s test results have returned “negative” for any cancers. Cats will do me the courtesy of ignoring any incoherent posts.

Good news Zulu, hope Mrs Z remains well and cancer free.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2022 10:06 pm

Well, when the trial started I thought I was innocent, but that was before I heard all the evidence against me”.

Supposed to have been a trial in Western Queensland, years ago, where a station owner was charged with lifting a mob of his neighbors cattle.

The foreman of the jury approached the bench. “Look, we all know him, he’s a good bloke, we’re all doing it tough with this drought, if he promises to give the cows back, can we find him “Not Guilty?”

The judges demenour was frigid. “Certainly NOT! If you are satisfied, beyond reasonable doubt, that he stole those cows, then there is only one verdict you can return, and that is “Guilty!”

“Oh, all right then ‘NOT Guilty,” and he doesn’t have to give the cows back!”

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 10:06 pm

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
? Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
? Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected .”
? Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“The enemy advances, we retreat; the enemy camps, we harass; the enemy tires, we attack; the enemy retreats, we pursue.”
? Mao Tsé-Tung

errant nonsense
? JC, The Cat

Makka
Makka
September 12, 2022 10:07 pm

Yes! I’m well aware. I heard all about it on RT.com. I’m just curious as to why much of the Alt-Right, who want to introduce race-based restrictions in migration policy, are all that fussed about “Ukrainian nazis”…

You are so full of shit, Fisk. The more curious thing is your eager backing of a regime so closely associated with the Biden crim family.

caveman
caveman
September 12, 2022 10:09 pm

Chun Suk Su says.
Fuk dat.

“Nuke em first”

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 10:18 pm

the right still believe there are rules and the left can be reasoned with

the right
should read Sun Tzu

actually, the right should read between the lines of Sun Tzu

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 10:18 pm

Think through it, Matrix and you’ll get an idea why I said it’s errant nonsense and obvious to all.

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”

Forget the last bit, why would you want to appear weak when you’re strong. How the fuck would you do that? By being timid? Timidity wins wars?

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

Oh yea and you do that how exactly?

I can’t be bothered going through the other stuff. There’s nothing eye opening there.

Matrix, it’s also around this time of night when you’re up for a argument. We’ll talk tomorrow perhaps.

cohenite
September 12, 2022 10:20 pm

This can’t be right; Bloomberg reports between now and 2025 the chunks are going to install 270GW of coal power. That’s 90 Erarings. Fucking 90; Australia’s biggest coal plant which the bastards are going to close in 2025.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 10:24 pm

Listen Matrix, I’m not here to reply to your question marks. If you think the Chinese man is a verifiable Chinese genius who taught people something they didn’t know before he came along, well and good as you’re quite entitled to your opinion. However, don’t expect me to respond to silly question marks. If you want to make an assertion then do so by explaining why – but not question marks as though I’m supposed to respond to that.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2022 10:25 pm

Flicking through the Focks Sport channels.

I would very much like to advance the opinion that anyone playing soccer over 14 years of age should be jailed. It is marginally acceptable as a children’s sport, particularly those who may be mildly retarded, but the sight of supposed adults engaging in this effeminate display of posturing and the faking of injury is an affront to humanity itself.

I would also add my particular distaste at players disrobing after a goal is scored, but it doesn’t rate as highly because actually scoring in this pastime (it’s a pastime, not a sport) is so rare you can’t factor it in.

Apparently it is said to be ‘the most popular sport in the world’. That is because any collection of illiterate mud hut dwellers can find or make a ball.

People wonder why empires are falling and the West is in decline. Soccer is why.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2022 10:26 pm

On Sunday, it was at the behest of Bulldogs board member Belinda Duarte, the proud “Wotjobaluk and Dja Dja Wurrung woman” (pictured above) and CEO of an outfit called Culture Is Life, that there will no longer be a minute of respectful silence for Queen Elizabeth before the AFLW women’s games.

“Whilst for many Australians it’s seen as appropriate to recognise the significance of the Queen’s passing, we must understand what this brings up for First Peoples, the impact of colonisation and what the monarchy represents to us and our families … This unearths deep wounds,” Ms Duarte droned to The Age.

Anyone know how to link to a picture of the ” proud Wotjobaluk and Dja Dja Wurrung woman” mentioned above? “White as Snow White’s bum” is an expression that springs to mind.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 10:28 pm
MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 10:29 pm

I don’t think my meandering argument can be called crapping on

you’re doing it again

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 12, 2022 10:29 pm

Sun Tsu has been coaching Essendon I think.

He was cut at the interview stage.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2022 10:30 pm

Immediately I start thinking if he can bench more than a gorilla or punch on with a big cat.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2022 10:43 pm

Mills Darden.

He would be one of the very few legitimate times the phrase ‘Easy there, big fella’ could be used in a pub.

cohenite
September 12, 2022 10:45 pm

Another step towards not having the mid terms:

The Coming Outlawing of the Republican Party

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 10:45 pm

it’s also around this time of night when you’re up for a argument.

no way
I don’t want you off-side
it’s way too much fun watching from the balcony

you know Sun Tzu is 2500 yo stuff?
and it’s still quoted and still taken seriously by many

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 12, 2022 10:46 pm

Excellent news ZK2A @09:45pm.

Get hammered and incoherent.

Arky
September 12, 2022 10:46 pm

dover0beach says:
September 12, 2022 at 10:37 pm
It’s truly amazing to watch in actual real time what is going on in your brain as this unfolds.
No disrespect Dover, but it really is something to behold.
Out of curiosity, is there something you could state now, some conditions that would occur, that would finally have you doubting the honesty of the sources you have been imbibing?
Of the reliability of the sources? Conditions would include consistently misreporting what is going on. Another would be not correcting their errors. Reporting unconfirmed rumours as fact.

..
No.
I mean: what conditions developing on the ground from this time on would lead you to conclude you had been deceived by your sources?

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 10:46 pm

???????? ?? ??

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? !!!!!!! and ????? ?????????

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 10:47 pm

but not question marks

JC, they were em-dashes in my cut and paste
or something that didn’t render properly
blame WordPress

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 12, 2022 10:51 pm

Forget the last bit, why would you want to appear weak when you’re strong. How the fuck would you do that? By being timid? Timidity wins wars?

American Republicans are fighting the wrong war with this crap strategy.

Sun Tzu was a medieval strategist that the Democrats adopted. It’s a long war strategy that the Democrats have used to take over the institutions to great effect.

Storming castles hasn’t been a tried and true method in years past.

History will repeat itself. A fish rots from the head.

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2022 10:52 pm

its all dover’s fault
not the war
the question marks

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 10:53 pm

LOl ok then, Matrix.

I think all his points are obvious and have been to folks. There were wars then – ask the Greeks.

John of Mel
John of Mel
September 12, 2022 10:55 pm

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

Oh yea and you do that how exactly?

Scare everyone into destroying their economies and a fabric of societies by releasing “killer” virus?

Or/and this (h.t. Cohenite):

“This can’t be right; Bloomberg reports between now and 2025 the chunks are going to install 270GW of coal power. That’s 90 Erarings. Fucking 90; Australia’s biggest coal plant which the bastards are going to close in 2025.”

While making solar panel and windmills for your competition to collect “free” energy…
Truly, “The capitalists will sell us the rope with which to hang them”…

Of course, there is a big question whether Chinese came up with all of it by themselves or they are just playing along with certain other groups because their objectives match at this point in time.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
September 12, 2022 10:58 pm

Another step towards not having the mid terms:

The Coming Outlawing of the Republican Party

The sooner the better.
The charade needs to end.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 10:59 pm

Timidity worked well for the Union in the Civil War until Grant came along and ground the confederates into the dust.

The Tsu strategy sounds like what Lincoln said about one of his generals stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 11:03 pm

Scare everyone into destroying their economies and a fabric of societies by releasing “killer” virus?

Except it doesn’t match reality John. Our economies would be doing fine if Russia didn’t attack Ukraine and made us energy short. Also John, China has be following a zero convid policy and essentially they’re close to wrecking their economy. Somehow, I don’t see that as a winning strategy.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2022 11:03 pm

The Art of War, as practiced by the Australian Liberal National Party:

Appear weak when you are weaker, and mouth off when you are weak.

The supreme art of war is to not get into arguments.

If your enemy is in superior strength, appease him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to appease him. Pretend to be weak, that he may not kick us harder. If he is taking his ease, give him tons of rest.

If his forces are united, appease them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, appease them. Attack him where he is unprepared, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

The enemy advances, we retreat; the enemy camps, we go home; the enemy tires, we let him sleep because we are nice.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2022 11:05 pm

Get hammered and incoherent.

Good single malt, and the prospect of a ripsnorter of a payday for self funded retirees, grinds the edges off a rough spell.

JC
JC
September 12, 2022 11:05 pm

lol KD

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 12, 2022 11:08 pm

Warren Mundine excoriates the AFL for banning the minutes silence for Betty before the sheila’s games.

Full report on skynews.com.au if you can put up with the ads.

I can never close them off quick enough.

Arky
September 12, 2022 11:18 pm

But I would say the loss of Kherson would be significant.

..
If Kherson Oblast was retaken before the end of this year, how would that change your thinking, if at all?

Arky
September 12, 2022 11:20 pm

I’m not having a go. I make enough bum predictions too.
It’s good to make various predictions and then see how they work out.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2022 11:21 pm

The Art of War, as practiced by the Australian Liberal National Party:

Today’s Liberals learned the art of war, from the battle of Fortenoy, fought in 1745, as part of the War of Austrian Succession.

Both sides drew up, in three ranks, opposite each other, as was the custom in those days, then sent each other messages, under a flag of truce, offering the other side “the honour of firing the first volley.”

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