Open Thread – Weekend 10 Sept 2022
2,065 responses to “Open Thread – Weekend 10 Sept 2022”
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If you are claiming that Putin has beaten Putin on the battlefield…
I’m not party to this exchange, but this is exactly what has happened. Putin has handed Russia its greatest strategic defeat, entirely self-inflicted, since 1989. His little military adventure has gained an additional total of about 10% of Ukrainian territory (which peaked in March/April and is falling fast IMO) over seven fucking months. Seven months for such a pitiful return! None of Putin’s cheerleaders predicted this back in February, not in their worst nightmares.
On the negative side:
-Russia lost anywhere from a third to half its deployment (KIA/WIA/POW)
-NATO expands by 800 miles on Russia’s border
-Russia uses and loses its energy leverage over Europe
-Putin is now very much Xi’s junior partner/bitch, better watch the Far East in case the Emperor for Life sees an opportunity!
-Russia’s army is demonstrably garbage, not even a regional power, and would get rolled up by NATO in any hypothetical conflict in a couple of days (ironically, Trump was right – NATO is obsolete, but not for the reasons people usually give)These are the undeniable fruits of Putin’s labour.
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BTW
The HCA did not at all state that the VSCA found the original complainant’s evidence reliable or credible. Rather, the HCA said that it ‘may’ be that the majority of VSCA did not err in finding that complainant’s evidence was not discrepant. From this, the majority may indeed have erred, unlike the minority in dissent whose findings of not guilty and of fabrication by the complainant were beyond equivocation. -
The standard of criminal proof not being met is not a technicality.
Indeed. What that absurd piece is saying is that any ruling at appeal that reverses a guilty verdict of a jury is simply ‘getting off on a technicality’ because the only issues addressed at appeal are questions of law. It lumps not meeting the standard of proof with a piece of evidence being incorrectly processed by police or the like. BTW, I don’t want to speak lightly of ‘technicalities’, the entire point of rules of procedure is to avoid tampering, substitution, etc. Not insignificant requirements in and of themselves.
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Exposed: The vast pro-Ukrainian ‘bot army’ designed to influence Western policy makers
An investigation has exposed a vast coordinated network online
Researchers at the University of Adelaide have published a landmark paper on the activities of bot accounts on Twitter related to the conflict in Ukraine. These Australian findings are truly staggering – of 5.2 million tweets on the social media network from February 23 to March 8, between 60 to 80% were shared by fake accounts. What’s more, 90% of those posts were pro-Ukraine.
In particular, these accounts pushed the hashtags #IStandWithUkraine, #IStandWithZelenskyy, and #ISupportUkraine, and myths like the ‘Ghost of Kiev’, a fictional Ukrainian fighter pilot who is farcically alleged to have taken down 40 Russian jets within hours of the military operation commencing.
Significant spikes in activity were recorded at key points in the initial stages of the fighting, such as Russia’s capture of Kherson on March 2, and the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant on March 4.
The accounts identified were overwhelmingly English language, leading the researchers to conclude these fake users sought to “drive more disruption in English-speaking countries” and “influence a variety of user groups.” Despite the significant focus on English, Ukrainian bots also employed the Russian language to “cause more disruption” in the country.
The accounts were successful in their objective of stimulating discussions and trends around particular topics, kickstarting and increasing online discussion around a number of subjects, including the question of whether Ukrainians should flee the country. The researchers recorded “significant flows” of information from Ukrainian bots to non-bot accounts.
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m0ntysays:
September 11, 2022 at 12:54 pm
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Why even run the case in the first place. Witness testimonies in rape cases are obviously worth nothing. That’s the real legacy of this decision.Poor old self-beclowner. It was proved that, on the evidence, it was physically impossible for the offence to have occurred as alleged because Pell would have had to be at two places at the same time.
No-one said that witness testimonies in rape cases are worthless, but an allegation that Pell was in two places at once instantly lacks credibility, and if a jury fails to notice it then their verdict must be overturned. -
This is a very cool channel (Mars Guy):
(And believe it or not there are Enviro Mongs complaining about the littering of Mars.)
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I made excuses for Riccardo in the beginning but the lack of self control and turning up to make speeches in military gear was the last straw.
I don’t disagree with this. I’m distinctly uncomfortable with such uses of the uniform, and not super enamoured with other things.
However, I don’t disagree with the fundamental premise of what Riccardo is rallying against.
His methods are a little exetreme (IMHO), but were not the governments dictates, actions and enforcement also extreme? I know who held all the power in this match up. I guess he did what he thought had a chance of overcoming this power imbalance.
For every action, there’s an equal but opposite reaction.
Methods aside, the fundamental disagreement Riccardo had with what was happening, was right.
What the Government did was wrong. -
Elite leftist eco loon showing deep deference for the common folk.
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Disgraceful: Pentagon tells struggling Army soldiers, families to apply for food stamps
The Army’s Financial Readiness Program can help Soldiers fight inflation and manage finances
By Sergeant Major of the Army Michael A. Grinston August 15, 2022
WASHINGTON — With inflation affecting everything from gas prices to groceries to rent, some Soldiers and their families are finding it harder to get by on the budgets they’ve set and used before.
Soldiers of all ranks can seek guidance, assistance, and advice through the Army’s Financial Readiness Program.
The FRP offers a number of online resources, as well as free, credentialed personal financial counselors, to help Soldiers understand the financial landscape and to take ownership of their own personal financial management. Unfortunately, many Soldiers are not aware of these resources.
SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM
SNAP is a U.S. government program that provides benefits to eligible low-income individuals and families via an electronic benefits transfer card that can be used like a debit card to purchase eligible food in authorized retail food stores. Service members and their families may be eligible. To determine qualification, visit the SNAP website or call the SNAP information line at 800-221-5689.
Laughing Libertarian
@William16723077“The guidance points soldiers to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program and links them to the federal welfare program’s website.”
–Billions and billions for Biden’s suicidal Green New Deal and Ukraine, no money fo feed our soldiers and families!
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The newsreader is so chocked up she can hardly talk about the death of her colleague.
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Farmer Gezsays:
September 11, 2022 at 1:21 pm
Scroll to Charlie.Found
Mask mandate on planes finally lifts in Australia and more than 90% on my
@Qantas
flight are unmasked. When you give people the choice, and the data, they go mask-free.But scrolling down did not find Charlie
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Now the footy season is almost over …
GreyRanga, I turned on the AFL lezzo league this arvo to support the chicks footy, but it’s unwatchable as the AFL has coated it in ALP politics about blackfellah rights for “indigenous round” (as if any abo chicks are allowed to be interested).
The skills are so bad it’s already like watching boys under 10s, so the AFL is going to finance this ratings turkey with rights money from the men’s comp (while channel 7, scared of losing the rights cash cow, relegates it to a secondary channel.) FMD.
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Why even run the case in the first place. Witness testimonies in rape cases are obviously worth nothing. That’s the real legacy of this decision.
False analogy #231. The evidence clearly showed there was zero opportunity in the Pell case. Most rape cases which go to trial do so on the basis that the opportunity existed (ie they spent time together) and even that sexual activity took place, but it was a question of consent.
I would agree if, say, the rape case consisted of the following set of facts.
.1 The complainant and the accused were travelling on a bus in 1991 with 22 other people;
.2 the complainant gets off at stop #56 with her friend.
.3 thirty years later, the complainant says the accused got off and raped her and her mate at the bus-stop.
.4 the complainant’s mate was hit and killed by a speeding breadvan shortly afterwards, so can’t corroborate. Although, when asked by her mother before her death, she said “nafink happened”.
.5 under oath at trial, the 22 other passengers said that the accused never got off the bus, and the driver said the bus usually stopped for about two minutes at that stop. -
Try this
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Why even run the case in the first place. Witness testimonies in rape cases are obviously worth nothing. That’s the real legacy of this decision.
m0nty-fa is too stupid to comprehend that a “witness testimony” that claimed that the rape occurred when the accused could not have been present is quite “obviously worth nothing”. The testimony has to have at least some vague credibility.
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Franxsays:
September 11, 2022 at 1:24 pm
JC, no doubt some find Struth unsettling, yet his opposition to people of the jab tends to be towards those who relentlessly promote the jab.
Fucking bullshit.
Can you point to one person here who “relentlessly promoted” the jab, as in told people they really should have it?
Everyone here went out of their way to express respect for individual choice.
Except St Ruth and his ever dwindling band of uptickers, who demanded total compliance with the Gospel according to St Ruth.
As St Ruth might say … “Piss off and buy some spanners you worthless piece of human detritus”*
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Farmer Gez says:
September 11, 2022 at 1:35 pm
Try this
https://twitter.com/bbclauraktThe Woman is an Idiot -I watched the Ceremony Live last night and Charlie pulled his pen from his pocket and what Staff Plonker placed the Documents behind the Inkl Stand, so all signing had to stretch over the inkwells – Charlie was correct to say get rid of it
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Pondering on the perceived ‘madness’ of Riccardo’s actions over the last couple of years has got me thinking as to why he made once allies so uncomfortable.
It don’t think it’s his premise which upset ‘conservatives’ or the Right. That seems to be roughly aligned. The only thing I can thin’ of is that he disrespected convention and some of our respected institutions.
As a point of discussion, I ask this; how many of those conventions were first disrespected by the Government and how many of our fundamental institutions didn’t disrespect themselves during the event? None that I could see played the role for which we have long held them in regard. Where were the Judges, Lawyers, Courts, Human Rights organisations, Parliaments, etc? Do they deserve the respect they have traditionally been granted?
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Dover
BTW, I don’t want to speak lightly of ‘technicalities’, the entire point of rules of procedure is to avoid tampering, substitution, etc. Not insignificant requirements in and of themselves.
Yet the Victoria Police allowed the complainant to amend even the dates of the allegations, multiple times, when evidence showed that the events could not have occurred on those dates, because of work then underway at the Cathedral.
How was this not tampering or substituting with the evidence? Surely enough of a “technicality” for the case to have been dismissed out of hand, even by the Appeal Court?
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Who, exactly ‘relentlessly promoted the jab’?
Not anyone here, including me.
Your attempts to recast objections to the most oot claims regarding the vaccine as promotion are egregious falsehoods, in no way shape or form was anyone ‘promoting the jab’.
If information from one side of the debate is acceptable in a liberal forum, then so ought be information from the other.There was a contant avalanche of jeering and sneering from various parties here when Victorians, and Melbournians in particular were subject to draconian lock down measures including night and day police and military patrols.
As soon as I was free to leave the country, and went, abuse rained down with my lack of solidarity with the ‘new oppressed’.
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Kharkov: What’s Driving The Latest Military Dynamics & What Might Come Next?
Andrew Korybko 18 hr ago
The reality behind the latest dynamics is more nuanced than Kiev, its Western patrons, and Russia are claiming, which the present analysis will concisely explain. To that end, it’ll identify the lesser-discussed factors driving the most recent on-the-ground developments, prognosticate what might come next, and then share some relevant observations about the Ukrainian Conflict in general.
The US-led Western Mainstream Media (MSM) is ecstatic about the latest military dynamics around Kharkov after Kiev’s forces reportedly recaptured around 1,000 square kilometers (385 square miles) of territory from Russia and its Donbass Allies. That in turn prompted many of Moscow’s opponents to glorify the advancing army on social media and share predictions about its supposedly imminent victory in the latest US-provoked phase of the Ukrainian Conflict that broke out in late February. The reality is more nuanced, however, as the present analysis will concisely explain.
What follows is a bulleted list of points drawing attention to the lesser-discussed factors behind the latest military dynamics:
* Kiev’s Forces Are Entirely Dependent Upon Foreign Military Support
Ukrainian presidential advisor Alexey Arestovich admitted in late March that Russia has “practically destroyed our defence industry”, which means that Kiev’s forces have only been able to keep the conflict going since then due to foreign (US-NATO) military support.
* The US Already Gave Its Proxies $15.2 Billion In Military Aid Since 2021
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said last week that his country’s latest $2.8 billion in military aid to Kiev brings the grand total to $15.2 billion since the Biden Administration came to power, thus proving that the receiving forces are truly US-NATO proxies, especially when considering the preceding point.
* The Kherson Counteroffensive Covered The Kharkov One
The Kharkov counteroffensive quickly followed the failed Kherson one and was thus able to achieve some on-the-ground success (however potentially transient) after the defenders rightly prioritized their limited forces to protect the much more strategically significant southern front.
* Russia Would Rather Retreat Than Pull A Mariupol (For Now)
Unlike Kiev’s forces that illegally militarize residential areas in order to de facto exploit civilians there as human shields exactly as Amnesty International proved last month, Russia would rather retreat than risk collateral civilian and infrastructure damage, at least per its present calculations (which might change).
* Kharkov Might Be Expendable To Russia From A Strategic Perspective
* Russia Might Fully Complete Its Tactical Pullback From Kharkov Region…
* …Or Russia & Its Donbass Allies Might Push Back Against NATO’s Proxy Army
* The Potential Battle of Kharkov Might Prove To Be A Turning Point In The Conflict
* Russia Might Finally Declare The Official Mobilization Of Its Forces
* Swift Success = Game Changer While Stalemate = More Of The Same
* An Asymmetrical Move By Russia Can’t Be Ruled OutSome general observations will now conclude the analysis:
* The Kharkov Counteroffensive Is Kiev’s Last Hurrah Of The Year (& Maybe Ever)
* Information Warfare From Both Sides Will Inevitably Intensify
* Wishful Thinking Could Snatch Defeat From The Jaws Of Victory
* Both Parties Probably Expect Peace Talks To Resume By Early Next Year
* Neither Side Will Likely Ever Achieve Their Desired Maximalist Outcomes.
* The Grand Strategic Context Proves That Time Is On Russia’s SideThe global systemic transition to multipolarity that was accelerated by the West’s counterproductive anti-Russian sanctions means that time is on Moscow’s side since the EU is facing major economic-political crises that’ll lead to irreversible strategic changes that ultimately work to the Kremlin’s benefit.
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Monty, you made your Malmo bed and you ought to lie in it.
PJW made the initial offer to pay only travel costs and accommodation for any journalist to stay in Malmo. (The tweet you were responding to at the link)
You demanded you be funded to do so on exactly that same basis, and went on and on and on but you got called out you snivelled.
I remember getting airfare information for you to Copenhagen, a short taxi ride from Malmo after you whined about the cost of travelling via Stockholm. -
rosiesays:
September 11, 2022 at 1:47 pm
Monty seems to think there was only one witness in the case against Cardinal Pell, when in fact there were dozens, and that that one witness’s constantly amended tale should be believed, in preference to all others, no matter what.That belief is a significant part of the so-called “progressive” religion, at least in Australia.
m0nty-fa claims to be Catholic, but demonstrates by his words that he is “progressive”.
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Well, no, Sancho, it is neither bullshit nor fucking bullshit that the jab has been promoted, relentlessly – unless adverting to its benefits is not considered to be promoting it. So I shall leave it at that and would prefer to allow the protagonists free reign, at least to do with issues and less so than to do with personalities.
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Old Ozzie 11/9/22 @ 7.45
The article states this is all on Putin.
I disagree – the us put their puppet in the Ukraine.
Kerry, Biden pelsoi and Romney sons directors of busima telling the media what to say.
After Putin called o Bama an idiot for adopting socialism or wishing harm on his people, he had to go .
Putin is a man while the western “leaders” are adolescent , bad mannered cowards.
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Putin is a man while the western “leaders” are adolescent , bad mannered cowards.
I know what you mean, Louis! *Swoon*
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Witness testimonies in rape cases are obviously worth nothing. That’s the real legacy of this decision.
All evidence including testimonies have probative value; sometimes that probative value is negative because it undermines the general case; in which case a witness presumed favourable will be classified as a hostile witness.
I reckon dickless would be a hostile witness.
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The caravan has moved on…….it’s all over?!
The silence of the Jabbed.They’d rather die in denial than exact revenge before they do.
The cowardice and submissive nature of these people made them roll their sleeves up.
So now those very same character traits are going to see many of them die quietly and submissively, as required.
It’s getting harder by the day to give a shit.Stop twisting my words. For the second day.
My comment was about the outward signs of the pandemic. I also mentioned the fallout from the jabs and lockdowns but you conveniently left that out so you could crow about the death of the jabbed. One of whom includes your own son.
Ghoul and sociopath.
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I often note demorat women are really ugly. Look at this freak.
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Farmer Gezsays:
September 11, 2022 at 1:51 pmCharlie was correct to say get rid of it
That may be true but it’s not a good look.
It’s still the same bloke of the infamous tampon recording. I can’t warm to the bloke as I think he’s a prime dill.Likewise. I think he’s a ‘retarded royal’ because of his ignorant stances on many subjects, particularly the g/warming hoax, I will neither like him nor respect him.
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That Wong chap being an arrogant prick
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It’s a beautiful part of Europe. Dubrovnik is a bit “Disneyland”, but most of this area is still “unimproved” in the Gold Coast sense.
Hard to wake up to the grinding of my words through a flawed mill of anger and resentment. Wishing and gloating about my death and the deaths of millions a little less so because completely unhinged.
That certain event – hope it all goes well and brings great joy to your heart.
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“How George Pell won in the High Court on a legal technicality”
It’s clear that the repulsive Monty still thinks Pell is guilty, a crime Pell not only did not commit, but a crime Pell could not possibly have committed. But such trivialities do not matter to the repulsive Monty, and it provides an insight into his rather putrid and dim mind. I can forgive someone for being “limited”, what I cannot and will not tolerate is someone who’s happy to see his ideological opponents targeted by the police and judiciary, all because he doesn’t like their politics and someone who’s happy to make excuses for Jew haters, remember how he quaintly decided Jew haters have “legitimate grievances”, and try as he might he’ll never live that one down. I mentioned this morning how we live in an immoral age and the repulsive Monty is proof of that immorality.
Speaking of witnesses, Kathy Sheriff has witnesses, but but, the Victorian police weren’t and aren’t interested in her witnesses.
Oh and I should also add that given his comments above, the repulsive Monty must still believe Lindy Chamberlain is guilty.
The repulsive Monty has no morality.
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Europe’s Collective Suicide EXPLAINED
Black Pigeon Speaks -
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Quite fitting – I wonder what Prince Phillip would have said – probably something like “Took your bloody time getting here, Old Girl.”
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Rogersays:
September 11, 2022 at 3:14 pm
what I cannot and will not tolerate is someone who’s happy to see his ideological opponents targeted by the police and judiciary, all because he doesn’t like their politicsIncreasingly the way of the Left, aka the new Establishment.
And m0nty-fa is happy to be a running dog lackey of that new reactionary establishment.
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callisays:
September 11, 2022 at 2:47 pm
It’s a beautiful part of Europe. Dubrovnik is a bit “Disneyland”, but most of this area is still “unimproved” in the Gold Coast sense.I have two photos of Dubrovnik taken on the same day. One in the middle of the day where you couldn’t see the cobblestones for cruise ship passengers.
The other taken from the same spot after dinner where you could have fired a cannon down the street and hit nobody.Hard to wake up to the grinding of my words through a flawed mill of anger and resentment. Wishing and gloating about my death and the deaths of millions a little less so because completely unhinged.
That is it.
The thin veneer of ‘caring for and protecting my countrymen’ has worn off.
He wants millions to die to sate his ‘told youse so’ bloodlust.
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what I cannot and will not tolerate is someone who’s happy to see his ideological opponents targeted by the police and judiciary, all because he doesn’t like their politics
Increasingly the way of the Left, aka the new Establishment.
In showing how it is possible to establish a tyrannical government in a Westminster system, Dan Andrews and the VIC ALP make Bjelke-Petersen look like a bumbling incompetent.
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OldOzzie says:
September 11, 2022 at 1:57 pm
*Russia Might Finally Declare The Official Mobilization Of Its ForcesGod forbid, but this is what I fear the most. At the moment, the ‘special military operation’ has been relatively restrained and certainly when compared to a total war scenario. As dangerous as an artillery shell may be, it is child’s play when compared to a thermobaric weapon. Those weapons have been used in Ukraine but only on a very limited scale to date (Azovstal steelworks for example).
Russia probably has the widest inventory of missiles in the world and continues the development of extremely powerful (read destructive) non-nuclear weapons. The Russian strategic rocket forces constitute a significant element of Moscow’s military strategy although thankfully to date, most of the weapons at their disposal haven’t been used. Official mobilisation will almost certainly change that with catastrophic consequences for civilians. And how will the world respond?
* Neither Side Will Likely Ever Achieve Their Desired Maximalist Outcomes
There’s no chance that Russia will let fascists overrun Crimea ……. nor will it allow Kiev to recapture all of Donbass…….though NATO also won’t let Moscow fully demilitarize Ukraine since it’ll keep pumping it full of arms.
Indeed.
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Monty seems to think there was only one witness in the case against Cardinal Pell, when in fact there were dozens, and that that one witness’s constantly amended tale should be believed, in preference to all others, no matter what.
Pell was tried and found guilty of an historical assault by a jury of his peers on the evidence put before them.
The judges came in afterwards and said nup, we’re not having that, the jury was wrong.
The obvious consequence, particularly in historical cases with little of the plethora of modern forensic evidence, is to scare off any further prosecutions. Why would you bother, when the HC is just going to say the jury couldn’t possibly have concluded any guilt because the evidence was too weak?
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Andrews and turtles all the way down held that the jab macht frei.
We’d all be safe. And free to work. And free to meet like-minded people. Free to be with family. And free to gather for prayer. And free to call hotlines.
And yes, it is shocking to see it as having been so. But that was how it was, and those same shadows still loom. -
Monty ignores the circumstances, the previous hung jury, the years of poisoning the well prior to the trial, the failure of the prosecution to present a case that made it even possible for the events to have occurred as they claimed.
To reiterate, the jury found Cardinal Pell guilty even though on the facts presented the incident could not have occurred.And since when have juries been infallible?
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m0nty-fa
Pell was tried and found guilty of an historical assault by a jury of his peers on the evidence put before them.
The key phrase is “on the evidence put before them”. The impartial and incorruptible Vic Stasi didn’t bother to interview many of the key witnesses, and the DPP also avoided them.
Then, after both the trial and appeal were over, the DPP attempted to have the High Court allow a change to the timeline used during the trial and the appeal. If this process does not arouse at least some suspicion, then you are brain dead.
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As for Ricky, I have watched a fair few of his speeches over the past year or so in the course of watching the cooker feeds. He doesn’t have much of interest to say. He always bangs on at extreme length about his hat theory, which is very boring and leads nowhere. His crowd predictions and estimations are often ridiculous.
He slips open threats of violence against government into his speeches every now and then, but it’s a measure of how much of a joke he is and how little support he has that the feds never do anything about it.
He has been conducting an ongoing battle for leadership of the cooker movement with former pilot Graham Hood. Much talk of who snaffles the collection tins during rallies, claims and counter claims.
I guess now that UAP has been deregistered, he and Clive are on a level.
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rosie
And since when have juries been infallible?
When public opinion has been thoroughly poisoned by the media and various obsessives, close to the level of contempt of court, what else is to be expected.
The key point to come out of m0nty-fa’s babblings today is that he will never accept that he was wrong, and will never withdraw and apologise for his “rock spider” slur.
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What are you blethering about Franx?
What was said here, or what was said elsewhere?
No-one has suggested the Victorian government didn’t switch from lockdowns forever to vaccination will set us free.
We were all here, experiencing it too.
God forgive me for welcoming a a chance of there being an end from being terrorised every time I stepped outside the front door.
Andrews imposed the longest lockdowns in the world, and ended up with probably the most onerous vaccine mandates in the world as well.
Only when Perrottet started easing in NSW did he do so in Victoria.
And he will most likely be validated by Victorians in November.
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