Open Thread – Tues 27 Sept 2022


Haywain Triptych, Hieronymus Bosch, 1500

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Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 28, 2022 5:25 am

Hi calli not mch time to comment but love your travelogue I feel I’m right there with you -thank you

miltonf
miltonf
September 28, 2022 5:28 am

The food overall is much better here I think

duncanm
duncanm
September 28, 2022 5:40 am

What’s the fat cat behind the lounge and cranky dog reference in Spooner’s cartoon this morning?

Or am I trying to read too much into it?

2dogs
2dogs
September 28, 2022 5:44 am

2dogs, the Russians own Nordstream

You are missing the “testing the waters” aspect. Damaging your own asset has maximum plausible deniability.

rosie
rosie
September 28, 2022 5:51 am

A pity about the food Calli, we never ate out much during my visits to London. Bought prepared meals at Mark and Spencer’s and took them home to heat and eat. I remember my sister being horrified by a meal in Bath, a Bath Bun? recommended, it was a poor imitation of a brioche.
One decent meal at a pub in a university town, can’t remember which, pub had been frequented by RAF pilots during WWII, the ceiling of the roof in the back room was covered in their writing.

calli
calli
September 28, 2022 6:00 am

We’re spoiled in Oz, milton. The British can do roasts well, I admit. We spent Sunday lunch in the Guy Fawkes Pub, plotting overthrow in the snug and munching on pork and spuds.

We’re off to Edinburgh tomorrow.

rosie
rosie
September 28, 2022 6:06 am

If the gas is turned off while Nords are repaired will the Germans crank up their coal and nuclear power plants?

Dot
Dot
September 28, 2022 6:13 am

Here a casus belli is being provoked…

You mean like invading a country after declaring it has no right to exist?

Tell me more.

calli
calli
September 28, 2022 6:15 am

I lied. This will be the last snapshot.

Winding lanes up and over the moors, seemingly one-way but actually not so beware oncoming traffic…sheep grazing meekly on the verge, grouse startled into short, furious flights, drystone covered with centuries of grey lichens.

Some of the hedgerows have been “mown” by motorised trimmers attached to tractors. They leave this work until Autumn when the nesting season is over to enable the small birds to raise their young. An unmown hedge looms hairily in the distance and I spy something unfamiliar amongst the tangle.

Yes. In this place of air blown frostily and pristine from the North Sea, so clean that the mosses grow deep and green and moist on the stones…

a filthy blue surgical mask.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 6:29 am

Some useful news for Optus customers in NSW.

Customers affected by Optus data breach will be notified on whether to apply for a replacement NSW driver’s license (27 Sep)

NSW Minister for Customer Service Victor Dominello confirmed Optus will notify people if their license number was stolen, after the hacker behind the cyberattack released the personal details of 10,000 customers on Tuesday morning.

Customers affected by the data breach will be advised to head the Service NSW app to apply for an interim card number.

A new plastic licence card will then be issued within 10 business days.

The cost to apply for a new card is $29 and will be charged by Service NSW, but Mr Dominello said customers will be reimbursed by Optus in the coming days.

“The NSW Government will provide further advice to impacted customers as more information comes to light,” Mr Dominello said.

“In the interim, I would appreciate your feedback about your experience as an affected customer to date – I will continue to monitor as issues evolve.”

NSW customers who need support regarding the replacement of identity documents and advice on preventative actions are encouraged to contact ID Support NSW on 1800 001 040.

Mater
September 28, 2022 6:31 am

Probably not
While the pipelines, which are operated by a consortium majority-owned by Russian gas giant Gazprom, are not currently in operation, they still contain gas.

It’s called Linepack.

It simply represents the gas stored in the pipes themselves. It represents a danger from explosion (in the event of sabotage), but it could by no means power Europe for any length of time.

A pipeline of 1m diameter and 1200km long contains a significant amount of gas, but Europe burns an awful lot. Without the pressure of constant injection behind it, it likely can’t do very much at all.

If you turn your gas off at the meter, how long will your cooktop run for? How long if you have your hot water and cook top going together? The pressure would be constantly decreasing, and your appliances would fail.

Remember, the ABC story was written by a journalist with the same qualifications as Monty.

Europe will have to find another solution.

Anchor What
Anchor What
September 28, 2022 6:44 am

Leftists in governments and complicit media are totally freaking out about Georgia Meloni of Italy. She’s a “danger to Europe” and has “fascist roots”.
The result of the last election, which was a reaction to the usual OTT leftism of the previous government, is being described as awful populism rampant.
Populism is these days used as a tag for democratic outcomes not favoured by the commentator. So much for democracy.
As President Erdogan of Turkey said in a moment of candour, democracy is a tram you take to get to a destination, and then you get off. Sounds like what’s happened in the USA. We will soon see if the tram is back on the tracks after the derailment of 2020.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 6:50 am

Someone with significantly kaboomy ordnance seems to’ve done the deed.

‘No doubt explosions’: Powerful blasts recorded at Nord Stream as Europe suspects sabotage (27 Sep)

Experts have said the leaks at the two pipeline systems were just 46 miles apart, which sparked earth tremors in the affected areas on Monday.

Seismologists have claimed that the recorded gas leaks at the Nord Stream 1 and 2 undersea pipelines that damaged the systems in three places were a result of suspected underwater blasts that are yet to have been ruled out as sabotage. The pipelines, which were built to transit gas from Russia to Germany via the Baltic Sea, started leaking on Monday, which experts from Denmark and Sweden have confirmed occurred after strong explosions.

No accident if the pipelines were 46 miles apart. If they’d been close together you might think an anchor or something. And of course registering the detonations on seismometers seems to be fairly conclusive. But who is responsible I don’t know.

Mater
September 28, 2022 6:52 am

Leftists in governments and complicit media are totally freaking out about Georgia Meloni of Italy. She’s a “danger to Europe” and has “fascist roots”.

For anyone interested in understanding the roots of Fascism as a political movement, can I recommend a book (PDF version free at link)

Italian Fascism and Developmental Dictatorship

Written by A. James Gregor, renowned as the world’s foremost expert on Fascism (and, correspondingly, Marxism). Being fluent in Italian (being Italian himself), he studied the evolution of Fascism from its Marxist/Syndicalist roots (Marxist Heresy). Absolutely fascinating and compelling stuff, for those with an interest or curiosity in political history.

Professor Emeritus A. James Gregor of the University of California, Berkeley.
Born on April 2, 1929, in Brooklyn, New York, to Antonio and Mary Gimigliano, Professor Gregor received his B.A., M.A. and Ph.D. in Philosophy from Columbia University, and taught political science at U. C. Berkeley for more than 40 years.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 28, 2022 6:58 am

Send this to your State and Federal members:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1574153946628661249.html
The truth about “renewable” energy.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 28, 2022 6:59 am

Some useful news for Optus customers in NSW.

In Qld, you will get a new licence for free, all you need is your notice from Optus.

bespoke
bespoke
September 28, 2022 7:00 am

RickW, Good point earlier about fossil fuels saving countless whales by replacing whale oil.

Yes and plastics saved the elephants.

Mater
September 28, 2022 7:00 am

From the Preface of the book I linked to above:

“Clearly, I have neglected a great deal. Limitations of time, energy, and the obligations of a specific exposition, have made that a necessity. Nevertheless, I feel the account pro­vides an interpretation of Fascism that is not only instruc­tive, but that relates Fascism to the Marxism in which it found its intellectual origins. Moreover, as I have suggested, it is an account that identifies Fascism as a member of a class of regimes that includes Bolshevism, Maoism, Castroism, as well as an indeterminate number of other regimes that mobilize masses under both unitary party auspices and the superintendence of charismatic and providential leaders, in the pursuit of modernization and development.”

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 28, 2022 7:03 am

RickW, Good point earlier about fossil fuels saving countless whales by replacing whale oil.
Yes and plastics saved the elephants.

Yet the loonies are against timber harvesting (completely sustainable and renewable) and wearing animal skins (likewise). They can’t think even one step ahead, let alone several.

calli
calli
September 28, 2022 7:04 am

One last thing before I call it a night.

Firstly, thanks to those who’ve admitted to enjoying my holiday snaps. 😀

Also…I’ve spent a lot of time so far discussing Covid and government approaches with fellow travellers. I’m heartened by comments about the difference between “from” and “with” – it appears that most people with functioning brains are aware of the swifty our various governments played on us over morbidity.

In addition, many are also aware of the huge drop in Aussies travelling. Apparently our absence has left quite a dent. I’ve noticed it too – no familiar accents in the shops or sightseeing.

The creatures who rule us have done immeasurable harm.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 28, 2022 7:04 am

I know this shouldn’t be funny. I really do.

Evidently all Rollercoaster Girl had to do was wait 20 minutes to get her phone back. The Hun:

Nearby show staff, some of whom gave statements to investigators, told the Herald Sun the ride was regularly stopped so workers could collect dropped keys, phones and wallets from the base of the loop-the-loop. One worker told the Herald Sun that Ms Rodden was told she would only have to wait 20 minutes to get her phone back.

Just minutes later, she was hit by one of the roller-coasters as it completed the loop-the-loop. The rollercoaster then carried her back up towards the top of the ride.

This bit is absolutely not funny:

She fell on to the bitumen below when a worker hit an emergency stop button, which bought the ride to a jolting stop.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 28, 2022 7:09 am

But who is responsible I don’t know.

My money is the US and is being done deliberately to knobble Germany, and by extension Europe.

A month ago I posted an Unheard video on The Fall of the German Empire https://youtu.be/mUYrsA4sJeE where Wolfgang Streek posits the Ukraine War is being used to weaken Germany and by extension Europe. Note this was before the “fake” Rand Report a few weeks ago.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 7:18 am

The footage of the Chabahar unrest in Iran is a bit different to the other cities.
It’s a port city & is effectively a special economic zone that India operates.
Shitty infrastructure but still any disruption to that would be less than ideal.

Cassie of Sydney
September 28, 2022 7:19 am

Apparently we have here in NSW a so called conservative premier and a so called right of centre government. Under this so called Coalition government, the NSW Police have charged the organisers of the Farage tour some $3,000 for security, that is to protect lawful attendees from getting their heads smashed by progressive far-left scum. Just think, this is in the same week where a blank eyed, zombie eyed, nut job and all round menace had her charges dismissed because of some bullshit climate change anxiety, despite this same zombie eyed freak having locked herself to a car steering wheel in a busy Sydney tunnel which caused peak hour chaos.

Great times….great times.

rosie
rosie
September 28, 2022 7:23 am

Reluctance to travel to Europe may now be influenced by Ukrainian war and concerns about energy.
I know someone who is dithering about winter travel because of concerns about the energy situation.
Not me, I’m sticking to the south where your teeth won’t freeze.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 28, 2022 7:24 am

Good point. If Optus didn’t need to collect so much information about customers who sign up, a data breach would be of no real consequence.
In 2015 I visited Christchurch, NZ and was amazed that I could buy a phone by simply handing over my credit card.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 28, 2022 7:24 am

she was hit by one of the roller-coasters as it completed the loop-the-loop. The rollercoaster then carried her back up towards the top of the ride.

She fell on to the bitumen below when a worker hit an emergency stop button, which bought the ride to a jolting stop.

There is apparently vision of this.

Ideally, it will show the moment the coaster stops at the top of the ride with Ms Rodden attached to the grill.

Even more ideally, – the moment after it stops, the vision should show Ms Rodden turning to face the camera, and then holding up a little sign that says ‘Yikes!!!!’ before falling all the way back to earth and creating a silhouette of her body in the ground.

Mater
September 28, 2022 7:24 am

Under this so called Coalition government, the NSW Police have charged the organisers of the Farage tour some $3,000 for security, that is to protect lawful attendees from getting their heads smashed by progressive far-left scum.

Here’s the real rub. In Ballarat, Police barged into a pregnant woman’s house to arrest her for ‘incitement’ for a Facebook post to attend a rally, even though safety measures were to be implemented.

Are they looking at the social media feeds which are organising these ‘protests’ against speaking tours?

The charge of ‘incitement’ seems quite selective.

Cassie of Sydney
September 28, 2022 7:26 am

“Are they looking at the social media feeds which are organising these ‘protests’ against speaking tours?

The charge of ‘incitement’ seems quite selective.”

Of course Mater, it’s all selective. Police are now the tools of the left.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 7:28 am

Persons of no account, no description and no religion.

German Police Stop Reporting Migration Background of Young Crime Suspects (27 Sep)

Police in the German capital of Berlin will no longer be reporting the migration background of criminal suspects under the age of 21 after the Berlin Senate scrapped the policy, claiming it had no relevance.

The knife went in and the gun fired itself.

rosie
rosie
September 28, 2022 7:35 am

And that tells us nobody half sane is going to rely solely on windsun energy.
Yes you Chris Bowen.

shatterzzz
September 28, 2022 7:36 am

Directed to an “excellent” fish n’ chips in Whitby, the Beloved and I partook of a meal of such hideousness that most was left on the plate. Battered fish swimming in grease, soggy tasteless chips, fishcakes the consistency of wallpaper paste.

wait until you get to “Toontown” (Newcastle/Gateshead) unless its gone way downhill (2018) the fish ‘n chips are 1st class .. tho that’s with newsprint never been rich enuf to eat ’em in a restaurant ‘ave us pit village folk .. LOL!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 28, 2022 7:36 am

ALPBC jismist failed economics 101 as well as munty.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 28, 2022 7:37 am

German Police Stop Reporting Migration Background of Young Crime Suspects (27 Sep)

BoN, read “Caliphate” by Tom Kratman.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
September 28, 2022 7:42 am

Π r^2 x length.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 28, 2022 7:42 am

Police in the German capital of Berlin will no longer be reporting the migration background of criminal suspects under the age of 21 after the Berlin Senate scrapped the policy, claiming it had no relevance.

Germany became a country in 1871.

In its first 68 years, it became the protagonist in two World Wars which killed (conservatively) 70 million people. After the last effort, half of it became ragingly and repressively Communist, and in the 32 years since reunification its greatest achievements have been glass top coffee table porn, electing former Stasi members to lead it and rave parties.

It is fair comment to say that Germany is an experiment that has not only failed, but failed dismally. It should revert to a conglomeration of principalities and duchies as it was during the Holy Roman Empire era, which would make it immeasurably easier to be broken up and defeated piecemeal.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
September 28, 2022 7:43 am

π r^2 x length.
That is a lot of gas

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 7:49 am

That is a lot of gas

Yes. Operating pressure 105 bars, so that’s 105 times the simple volume.

I wonder if it’s enough methane to make a noticeable spike in global atmospheric CH4 monitors?

Mater
September 28, 2022 7:56 am

That is a lot of gas

Yes, but a significant amount MUST stay in the pipeline. To drain the pressure below a certain level is to introduce further dangers and risks (air ingress, for example = BOOM!).

One of the highest risks for natural gas pipelines is air ingress. The flammable gases are at high pressure inside the pipeline and the addition of oxygen would cause an explosive atmosphere. Furthermore, moisture from the air would be an unwelcome corrosion risk inside the pipeline. “

No, Europe must find other solutions.

custard
custard
September 28, 2022 8:00 am

With the left, when they run out of argument they resort to abuse. Scroll up, it is evident on this blog.

Who’d have thought?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 8:02 am

Yes, but a significant amount MUST stay in the pipeline.

I doubt whether most of the German cabinet are aware of this.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 8:03 am

Yes, but a significant amount MUST stay in the pipeline.

Yesterday it was reported the pressure at the German end was down to 7 bar. I don’t know where the isolation valves would be, especially since the three pipelines are almost entirely under the Baltic. I would not be surprised if large sections of them are now full of seawater.

Not going to be back in action for a long long time, and Nordstream 2 hadn’t even started up yet. On the other hand I’m sure the Chinese will be delighted to take any gas the Russians can send them.

Mater
September 28, 2022 8:07 am

I doubt whether most of the German cabinet are aware of this.

A leftist trait, ignore the practicalities and go by the ‘feels’.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 8:08 am

Xi looked fine in Beijing yesterday will most of the big wigs.
The week before Oct 16th (when the big dance kicks off) will be the most important.
Everyone arriving in town & easy to detain the ones you want.

2dogs
2dogs
September 28, 2022 8:08 am

Looks like Dover called it correctly upthread.

HT
HT
September 28, 2022 8:11 am

calli says:
September 28, 2022 at 7:04 am
One last thing before I call it a night.

Firstly, thanks to those who’ve admitted to enjoying my holiday snaps. ?

Also…I’ve spent a lot of time so far discussing Covid and government approaches with fellow travellers. I’m heartened by comments about the difference between “from” and “with” – it appears that most people with functioning brains are aware of the swifty our various governments played on us over morbidity.

In addition, many are also aware of the huge drop in Aussies travelling. Apparently our absence has left quite a dent. I’ve noticed it too – no familiar accents in the shops or sightseeing.

The creatures who rule us have done immeasurable harm.

I was going to do a trip to see/photograph the Northern Lights, but (got) cancelled due to the COVID hysteria and rebooked because 1.) I genuinely can’t wear a mask and 2.) I don’t trust these bastards to not do a re-run and 3.) I assumed Europe is still as bat shit crazy over COVID as is Australia (hence why I don’t trust the bastards here or abroad not to imprison me in some shithole).
If you saying it’s all over everywhere bar Australia, then I might try again.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 8:13 am

In addition, many are also aware of the huge drop in Aussies travelling. Apparently our absence has left quite a dent. I’ve noticed it too – no familiar accents in the shops or sightseeing.

AUD at 64.4.
Travel is now a prestige item if your currency isn’t pegged to the USD.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 8:15 am

CCP daily seems alright with the “referendums” in part of Ukraine.

Referenda in 4 Ukrainian regions bring ‘pressure’ to West on how to deal with Russia next

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202209/1276270.shtml

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 8:22 am

With reference to Rudd being an “expert” on China.
He isn’t.
It’s clear he subscribes to Bill Bishop’s Sinocism email service.
Whenever he throws any tidbit out on twitter that seems interesting regarding China you can check it against Bill Bishop’s email.
It costs about 10USD a month.
If Rudd had any dignity he’d give Bishop some credit, but who are we kidding.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 28, 2022 8:23 am

Directed to an “excellent” fish n’ chips in Whitby, the Beloved and I partook of a meal of such hideousness that most was left on the plate. Battered fish swimming in grease, soggy tasteless chips, fishcakes the consistency of wallpaper paste.

How do they manage it? Are there classes?

I will draw an analogy with evolution: Certain dinosaurs developed wings and became birds. There was not some teleological process, no finalised design that existed before the wing to which minute changes and transitional stages over millions of years steadily crept towards, with countless generations of adaptations that served no purpose yet. No ages where dinosaurs had elongated feathers down their arms, useless, but waiting for the musculature of their chests to grow strong enough to launch them into the air.

No. Latest guess I heard was that among dinosaurs feathered for insulation there was an advantage in having longer arm feathers as a means of more easily ensnaring the small prey they fed on. These now elongated feathers then enabled better controlled falling, which began to be more like gliding etc.

The British Empire was the largest the world had ever seen, their dominion spreading to cover a quarter of the planet.

But I am sure it all started out with a few people looking for a decent feed.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 8:24 am

Yep. Heaps of gas in a pipeline. Perth had a series of very hot nights years ago so everyone left their air conditioners on. The DBNGP couldn’t recover overnight and there was a real risk of non delivery. Didn’t happen in the end.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 28, 2022 8:25 am

The Ku Klux Hawks have a new title.

The Herald Sun on Tuesday revealed that an unnamed Hawks coach accused Burt, former coach Alastair Clarkson and former football bosses Chris Fagan and Mark Evans of operating the football department “like The Russian Mafia”.

Just get Clarkson and Fagan to strip off and reveal their tattoos.
Case closed!

custard
custard
September 28, 2022 8:26 am

https://substack.com/profile/83105580-richard-the-saint

Click on his latest story OmniPresident

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 8:27 am

UK food isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be. On average it is lower than Oz I would argue.

custard
custard
September 28, 2022 8:29 am

But why is he doing this? And I am not looking for all the common answers:

Because the election was stolen
Because the real insurrection was November 3rd, 2020
Because Biden can’t be president
Because the commies are trying to take over
I get it. All those things are true and I don’t want to diminish the importance of any of them. But none of those statements answer that one simple question. Why is he doing this? He is doing this because there was, is, and has always been a plan. Just watch, look, and listen.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 28, 2022 8:30 am

Police in the German capital of Berlin will no longer be reporting the migration background of criminal suspects under the age of 21 after the Berlin Senate scrapped the policy, claiming it had no relevance.

We shall just have to rely on the code words ‘aspiring rapper’ and ‘youths’.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 8:31 am

My experience was Poms are generally cheap. Given the choice of cheap and bad or paying more for better quality your average Pom chooses cheap every time. This does not always apply which is why one always buys one’s Bentley from the factory.

Johnny Rotten
September 28, 2022 8:36 am

A black Jewish boy runs home from school one day and asks his father “Daddy, am I more Jewish or more black?” The dad replies “Why do you want to know, son?” “Because a kid at school is selling a bike for $50 and I want to know if I should talk him down to $40 or just steal it!”

Johnny Rotten
September 28, 2022 8:38 am

It is more difficult to rule yourself than to rule a city.

– Jordan Peterson

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 8:39 am

Last time I was in the UK was Dec 2019 & Jan 2020.
Only had one dud meal and that was the main course at a wedding I was at.
What they did to that poor piece of fish was a crime.
But apart from that, all good.

MatrixTransform
September 28, 2022 8:40 am

Well, what if something happens to Nordstream 2 that decisively takes it off the table

yr saying they compromised their own asset?

I never thought about it that way.

and I thought I read somewhere that Nordstream2 was already compromised in some way

“a working pressure of 220 bar” … holy shit!!

bespoke
bespoke
September 28, 2022 8:40 am

It is more difficult to rule yourself than to rule a city.

– Jordan Peterson

Has he cleaned his room yet?

Razey
Razey
September 28, 2022 8:41 am

incoherent ramblersays:
September 28, 2022 at 7:43 am
? r^2 x length.
That is a lot of gas

Real engineers use ? D^2/4 😉

Razey
Razey
September 28, 2022 8:42 am

hmm pi didnt work

HT
HT
September 28, 2022 8:42 am

Bloody tiny iPhone screens! (Or maybe aging eyes :(. ) I haven’t rebooked the trip to see the Northern Lights.

JC
JC
September 28, 2022 8:47 am

My money is the US and is being done deliberately to knobble Germany, and by extension Europe.

What would be the purpose? The US and Germany are aligned politically at the moment.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 28, 2022 8:49 am

2dogssays:
September 28, 2022 at 8:08 am
Looks like Dover called it correctly upthread.

Add

RobB
September 28, 2022 at 5:40 am · Reply
Victoria Nuland delivering the same message:

Which reinforces

So, below, this is quite an awkward flashback, to say the least. It’s from February when Joe Biden was trying to talk Russia out of invading Ukraine:

Biden: “If Russia invades…then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”

Reporter:— “But how will you do that, exactly, since… The project is in Germany’s control?”

Biden: — “I promise you, we will be able to do that.”

https://rumble.com/v1lqg6v-victoria-nuland-on-1.27.22-nord-stream-2-will-not-move-forward.html

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 28, 2022 8:51 am

GreyRangasays:
September 28, 2022 at 7:36 am
ALPBC jismist failed economics 101 as well as munty.

Failing economics is a pre-requisite to becoming a j’ismist. See also Alberscreechi, Emma.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 28, 2022 8:51 am

My money is the US and is being done deliberately to knobble Germany, and by extension Europe. What would be the purpose? The US and Germany are aligned politically at the moment.

To take away one prime piece from the ‘end the war’ chessboard – the return of Russian gas to Europe. Instead, the war just drags on and all those expensive weapons keep getting sent there by the military industrial interests.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
September 28, 2022 8:51 am

A South Korean court has ordered the government to compensate a man for the adverse effects of a coronavirus vaccine after he was diagnosed with brain disease. Previously reported on TrialSite, South Korean government officials and academic specialists still deny that the death of young individuals is related to the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.

In Mar 2022, South Korea experienced a record-high increase in COVID-19 cases and deaths, despite its population being heavily immunized. Most recently, on September 12, shortly following the Chuseok fall harvest national holiday, the government recorded over 36,000 new COVID-19 cases.

In the wake of global expert advice to get vaccinated, COVID-19 vaccine injuries are on the rise. India has reported similar cases to those in South Korea. The Indian Supreme Court has put the Indian government on notice regarding the hearing of the case of the death of two girls who allegedly died due to COVID-19 vaccines in India.
What’s Behind the Case?

The Seoul Court in South Korea ruled on September 20, 2022, that the government should pay a man who had been diagnosed with brain illnesses following coronavirus vaccinations. It is the first successful lawsuit in South Korea brought by a plaintiff seeking damages for the harm caused by the COVID-19 vaccine. The amount to be paid has not yet been disclosed.

The individual, who is in his 30s, claimed that he had developed a fever one day after receiving an AstraZeneca shot in April 2021, and then experienced disorientation and numbness in his legs the next day. He visited a university hospital, where doctors discovered that he had mononeuropathy, cerebral cavernous malformation, and intracerebral hemorrhaging.
Compensation Plan

The individual’s family filed a claim with the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency (KDCA) for compensation in the amount of 3.62 million won ($2,607), but they were turned down. The state authorities refused to acknowledge a link between his illness and vaccination, claiming that the primary symptom of cerebral cavernous malformation is leg numbness.

The plaintiff sued the KDCA over its decision, and the Seoul Administrative Court ruled in favor of the patient. A report published by the Yonhap News Agency stated that the court said, “It is reasonable to consider there is a causal relationship between the diseases and vaccination.”

“Before vaccination, the plaintiff was very healthy and had no neurological symptoms or medical history,” the court added. The court further stated that it is unknown when he first experienced cerebral cavernous malformation and that he had no prior signs of the condition before receiving the vaccination. The KDCA challenged the judgment.

According to a report in the Korea JoongAng Daily, a Korean online news source, on July 19, 2022, the KDCA said that recipients of the COVID-19 vaccine who have diseases that are thought to be related but haven’t been proven to be so could receive up to 50 million won ($38,150), an increase from the previous 30 million won.

In addition, even if the cause of death could not be determined through a post-mortem test, the government will nevertheless award 10 million won to survivors of persons who passed away within 42 days after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine.

However, TrialSite has discovered that the KDCA increased the cap on medical expenses from 10 million won to a maximum of 30 million won (about 25,400 US dollars) as of October 28, 2021. Regarding the increase of up to 50 million won for what is believed to be a relevant but unproven harmful effect, the KDCA has not issued an official press announcement.
Ruling Favors Human Rights

Nine cases are currently in the works regarding compensation for adverse vaccination-related events. About 75%, or 65,031 cases, of the 87,304 reports the KDCA has received to date asking for compensation for adverse events to a COVID-19 vaccination have been examined. Seoul Court in South Korea appears to be well-known for its judgment in favor of human rights.

Previously, the vaccine pass requirement at educational establishments was initially temporarily suspended by the Seoul Court in January 2022, because it “significantly disadvantaged persons who are not vaccinated,” according to the court’s ruling. The court added that discrimination against citizens should not be tolerated in any sphere of daily life because they are all equal before the law. The government is tasked with developing the finest compensation scheme that benefits its people regarding vaccine injury or death. Both the United Kingdom and Canada have also made their first compensation payouts for vaccine-related harm or fatalities. More governments seem to be willing now to acknowledge that COVID-19 vaccines sometimes cause harm.

https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/first-victory-in-south-korean-covid-19-vaccine-injury-lawsuit-41d926ed

Roger
Roger
September 28, 2022 8:54 am

Instead, the war just drags on and all those expensive weapons keep getting sent there by the military industrial interests.

Which raises the question…when will demand outstrip supply?

You’d think someone was keeping tabs on this but given the way the “Biden” administration runs the place one has one’s doubts.

Roger
Roger
September 28, 2022 8:55 am

How do they manage it? Are there classes?

Yes…the upper ones employ chefs.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 8:55 am

Global LNG exporters are the biggest beneficiaries of ongoing energy issues in Europe.
Right now, the US is exporting as much as they can but even though the volumes are way up on 2021 they aren’t the biggest.
The Gulf states are.

bespoke
bespoke
September 28, 2022 9:06 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 9:06 am

We had a personal chef on a mate’s father’s yacht between Perth and Sydney. Recommended, although like flying Business it does rather make life in Economy more disappointing.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 28, 2022 9:08 am

Rogersays:
September 28, 2022 at 8:54 am
Instead, the war just drags on and all those expensive weapons keep getting sent there by the military industrial interests.

Which raises the question…when will demand outstrip supply?

You’d think someone was keeping tabs on this but given the way the “Biden” administration runs the place one has one’s doubts.

Is the United States Running out of Weapons to Send to Ukraine?
September 16, 2022

The United States has given Ukraine dozens of different munitions and weapon systems. In most instances, the amounts given to Ukraine are relatively small compared to U.S. inventories and production capabilities. However, some U.S. inventories are reaching the minimum levels needed for war plans and training. The key judgment for both munitions and weapons is how much risk the United States is willing to accept.

The Risks of Weapons Drawdown

Could the West run out of weapons?

Analyst Patrick Fox warns that US suppliers can’t keep up with Ukrainian demand

One of America’s leading military analysts has warned that NATO forces could run out of weapons to supply Ukraine in the coming months. In an interview with UnHerd, Patrick Fox told Freddie Sayers that US suppliers could not keep up with Ukrainian demand, with up to 18 month wait times for vital munitions.

“This is a problem,” stated Fox. “US generals are worried about their own ability to wage war in the event of a crisis given the level of drawdown we are seeing.” Noting that the shortage for certain stock like 155 shells was so severe, Fox said that generals were raising the issue with Congress. “It’s also happening with HIMARS rockets,” he said. “Right now, Lockheed Martin is talking about expanding production for a whole host of different systems such as munitions-supporting HIMARS and their estimate is that it’s going to take 18 months.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 9:10 am

The yacht has now been sold. It was just too much expense and hassle. Good fun while it lasted.

JC
JC
September 28, 2022 9:17 am

I’m not biting that the US was responsible. There’s also another likelihood and that’s the leaks just happened naturally. Sometimes, shit just happens.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 9:20 am

I don’t know what happened with the pipelines.
But Russia benefits the least from this.

JC
JC
September 28, 2022 9:20 am

We had a personal chef on a mate’s father’s yacht between Perth and Sydney.

That’s some of the roughest water in the world. That would be like spending a week or so in a 44 gallon drum being thrown over a cliff continuously. You should have flown or if you wanted to do a boat trip choose the Med with calmer water and nice scenery. Yuk.

JC
JC
September 28, 2022 9:21 am

Bern

The females or in this case the receivers of the gas are rooted.

Indolent
Indolent
September 28, 2022 9:25 am

What would be the purpose? The US and Germany are aligned politically at the moment.

The purpose would be starvation and decimation of the prols. They did tell us. Why not believe them.

Rossini
Rossini
September 28, 2022 9:27 am

Eyrie says:
September 28, 2022 at 6:58 am

Informative link
Thanks Eyrie

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 9:27 am

JC – the yacht was 100 foot and we only put the sails up once. The captain was in contact with some guy on land and we waited a day or two on land if it looked too rough. Gentleman sailing. I got plenty of reading done. At best,it only bore a passing resemblance to sailing. It was very pleasant though.

Indolent
Indolent
September 28, 2022 9:29 am
Razey
Razey
September 28, 2022 9:31 am

H B Bearsays:
September 28, 2022 at 9:06 am
We had a personal chef on a mate’s father’s yacht between Perth and Sydney. Recommended, although like flying Business it does rather make life in Economy more disappointing.

Speaking of shitty food.

Molotov cocktail thrown at restaurant in Melbourne’s Southbank
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/molotov-cocktail-thrown-at-restaurant-in-melbourne-s-southbank/ar-AA12jOSj?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=5460ab3fe8a142ee81677c9e6bff3a8b

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 9:31 am

For the record I was sacked by another mate from midweek sailing at RPYC. For which I am eternally grateful.

custard
custard
September 28, 2022 9:32 am

Hmmmm, Ukrainian government didn’t want the biolabs, but couldn’t stop them…….
and Zelensky was “in over his head” with the Deep State’s power & corruption & he needed assistance?

So Zelensky & Ukraine needed help from someone…….wonder WHO they could possibly ask for help?

Would have to be someone who did not fear the Swamp or global Deep State…..
someone willing to go against the “corrupt establishment” & fight for “the people”

Wonder what rare group of individuals would have both the power, & the willingness, to take on the corrupt Globalists that have infiltrated & attempted a hostile takeover of countries WORLDWIDE

And since the leaders that might be willing to help Ukraine/Zelensky are Nationalists & put the needs of their people & their country first, I’d imagine it would be in exchange for something from UKRAINE??

What could little ‘ol corrupt Ukraine possibly have to offer?
I mean, it’s not like they have mountains of blackmail & damning evidence on the Biden Family, Schiff, Pelosi, Obama or Clinton just sitting around waiting to be useful?!? Right?

Makes you wonder if ALL the trips & phone calls with Ukraine by Pompeo, Pence & Ron Johnson were very intentional & “for a reason”??
Wonder if Zelensky would ever agree to investigate & prosecute something or someone…..in exchange for help cleaning up biolabs & booting the Deep State?

Bc MSM & the LEFT sure have set up the Narrative perfectly that Zelensky puts his country & people first……..
so if ZELENSKY were to speak out against the Deep State globalists, I’d bet the entire WORLD, who has been WATCHING & crying & donating to Ukraine, would probably be quick to believe anything Zelensky told them.

But I totally forgot that Zelensky is a Deep State puppet….so none of that theory could possibly be accurate.
Never-mind!

I’m so ready for this part to be exposed

HT Karma Patriot

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 9:35 am

A Molotov cocktail would be an improvement for some of those Southbank restaurants.

JC
JC
September 28, 2022 9:36 am

Bear

Stop trying to turn a horror trip into a pleasant experience. The Australian undercarriage is no place for a learned gent like you. Next time do the Med. That sea is for third world freighters only.

Indolent
Indolent
September 28, 2022 9:36 am
bespoke
bespoke
September 28, 2022 9:38 am

Bear
An acquaintance used to take me fishing on his boat. Spent most of the time catching up on sleep and feasting at the end of the trip.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 28, 2022 9:38 am

I’m not biting that the US was responsible. There’s also another likelihood and that’s the leaks just happened naturally. Sometimes, shit just happens.

It does.
But in terms of gas pipeline breaches – a vanishingly rare occurrence in petroleum engineering world – three independent ones, all at once, accompanied by seismic signatures of explosions, is certainly not natural shit happening.

The damage to the line pipe will eventually reveal whether someone laid a charge on the outside, or whether the explosions came from within.

If from within, it was Gazprom wot done it – and the Poot is sending a bizarre ‘don’t give a fuck’ message.

If from the outside, the 5D chess conspiracy theories will be epic.

Indolent
Indolent
September 28, 2022 9:42 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 28, 2022 9:43 am

Woke Parent Triggered After Teen Climate Change Activist Embarrassed During Live Interview

Climate change cultists and their supporters are some of the most hypocritical people you will ever come across, not to mention rank at about 20 on a scale of one to ten when it comes to sanctimonious righteousness.

But every once in a while, some of them end up getting their just deserts, and that is exactly what some are saying happened to Wellington, Australia teen climate change activist Izzy Cook, who went on a New Zealand radio program Friday to talk about her and her fellow students’ participation in the annual School Strike for Climate worldwide “protest” that took place last week.

But during the course of the interview, host Heather du Plessis-Allan questioned Cook on her activism and asked her if people should have to get permission to fly and if she (du Plessis-Allan) should be allowed to go to Fiji. It went downhill for Cook from there. Here’s how the back and forth went down (transcribed from the video):

HDPA: “So we would have to apply to have, like, approved events to be able to fly for?”

IC: “Well, that’s one thing that you could look at doing.”

HDPA: “Am I allowed to go to Fiji? Is that necessary?”

IC: “In the current climate crisis, I don’t think that that’s necessary travel.”

HDPA: “When was the last time you were on a plane?”

IC: [Pause] “Um, I’m not sure. Maybe a few months ago, to be honest.”

HDPA: “Where’d you go?”

IC: [Long pause] “Fiji.”

HDPA: [Laughter ensues] “Izzy! Izzy! Don’t you care about the climate, Izzy?”

IC: “Of course, I care about the climate.”

HDPA: “Not enough. You went to Fiji! Izzy, come on, mate! Are you serious?” [Laughter]

IC: [Pauses] “It’s pretty ironic. It is pretty ironic, but to be honest, it’s not really a trip that I wanted to go on, but I can’t really get out of it.”

When Cook was pressed on why she went, she essentially told du Plessis-Allan that her parents made her go. The host then mockingly asked her if she was embarrassed that her parents did damage to the planet with their plane trip and “forced” her along for the ride. When Cook said “of course” she wasn’t embarrassed, she was asked if she had a “terrible time.” She said in response, “not really.”

Cook’s mother Rose Cook was so outraged by the so-called “bullying” treatment she says her daughter received on the program that she took to the Internet to condemn what happened, and in the process inadvertently informed the world that she was the, ahem, guiding force behind her daughter’s school-skipping activism (language warning):

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 9:45 am

JC – Bass Strait and the Great Australian Bight can be fine in January. Bass Strait at night with all the gas flares is quite an experience.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 28, 2022 9:50 am

On Whitby fish and chips.

Whitby is tourist central; people go there because amazingly cute, Count Dracula, and Captain Cook. The harbour front is probably the worst place in the UK for fishnchips.

A) the food is knocked out at mass production rates;

B) nobody really cares if the disappointed tourist never comes back;

C) you have to eat it surrounded by litter and other greasy-fingered tourists, while being threatened by the biggest seagulls on the planet – which also don’t care if the tourist never comes back.

On the plus side, the train trip from Goathland to Whitby is very pleasant.

Mater
September 28, 2022 9:53 am

Bass Strait at night with all the gas flares is quite an experience.

Swimming around underneath the Platforms at night is also quite an experience.
Best not to think too hard about what else is swimming around with/underneath you.

What you can’t see, can’t hurt you…or was I just telling myself that?

Razey
Razey
September 28, 2022 9:56 am

Indolentsays:
September 28, 2022 at 9:44 am
Trudeau drops COVID Vaccine Mandate because 9 in every 10 Covid-19 Deaths have been among the Triple/Quadruple Vaccinated in the past 3 months

Plandemic of the un-clotshotted indeed.

Johnny Rotten
September 28, 2022 9:57 am

From Jo Nova’s Blog

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/09/nordstream-gas-pipeline-apparently-sabotaged-explosions-and-three-huge-leaks/

Well, well, well. What a mess all of this………………………….

Razey
Razey
September 28, 2022 9:59 am

It’s all smoke and mirrors until they drop the emergency acts etc.

But they can’t because that would mean can’t clot-shot anyone. None of the clot-shots have been fully approved anywhere.

Johnny Rotten
September 28, 2022 10:00 am

Dr Faustussays:
September 28, 2022 at 9:50 am
On Whitby fish and chips.

Whitby is tourist central; people go there because amazingly cute, Count Dracula, and Captain Cook. The harbour front is probably the worst place in the UK for fishnchips.

A) the food is knocked out at mass production rates;

B) nobody really cares if the disappointed tourist never comes back;

C) you have to eat it surrounded by litter and other greasy-fingered tourists, while being threatened by the biggest seagulls on the planet – which also don’t care if the tourist never comes back.

On the plus side, the train trip from Goathland to Whitby is very pleasant.

Scarborough is probably a better option…………………

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 28, 2022 10:02 am

Tame’s advocacy to keep ‘lighting fires’
Jack GramenzAAP
Wed, 28 September 2022 1:35AM

Her term as Australian of the Year over, Grace Tame can now turn her considerable focus and attention to improving the nation.

Anyone relieved by the end of the 27-year-old’s time in the largely ceremonial position has been put on notice.

“Most of my advocacy is just lighting fires up arses,” Ms Tame said at the launch of her new memoir in Sydney on Tuesday night.

“Our overarching goal is a future free of sexual abuse of children and others … we want to drive education and legal reform, which we’re doing,” she said.

The proud Tasmanian wants an end to the inconsistencies of state-based sexual assault laws, which benefit perpetrators who hop to different jurisdictions.

“Between eight jurisdictions we have pretty vast discrepancies … we have two different ages of consent,” Ms Tame said as an example.

In some states it’s 16, in most others 17, and while Ms Tame does not advocate for one or the other, she says the age needs to be consistent, whatever it is.

Another ongoing battle is pushing for improvements in the wording of legislation in some jurisdictions.

She wants references to “maintaining a relationship” in laws changed to a more accurate description of “persistent child sexual abuse”.

Things like Queensland’s legislative references to “carnal knowledge” are also in need of an update, with the definition of intercourse itself inconsistently defined across jurisdictions, Ms Tame said.

She was buoyed by Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus recently announcing Australia would undertake a national review of sexual assault and child abuse laws with the intention of harmonising legislation across jurisdictions.

“We want it to look like we take it seriously as a nation,” she said.

The ACT enacted amendments to legislation along the lines of Ms Tame’s pursued reforms last month.

The reforms make up part of the work being pursued by The Grace Tame Foundation, a beneficiary of some of the proceeds from the launch of Ms Tame’s new memoir The Ninth Life of a Diamond Miner at Sydney’s City Recital Hall on Tuesday.

The book’s slightly esoteric name is explained in the opening pages and stems from a chance encounter Ms Tame had while travelling in 2014 with a man who spent one of his seemingly many lives as a diamond miner.

Her alternative title, “Diamond Miners and Rock Spiders”, was rejected by her editor, she said.

Ms Tame’s focus on law reform will be no surprise for the sizeable cohort of Australians familiar with her.

She was silenced for eight years by a Tasmanian law that prevented sexual assault survivors telling their own stories and led a campaign to have it overturned, which led to her being named Australian of the Year in 2021.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 28, 2022 10:05 am

“Proud Tasmanian…”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 28, 2022 10:06 am

Abby Libby
@abbythelibb

Drag is to women what blackface is to Black people: a costume, a caricature, a mockery, a cheapening, a dehumanization.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 28, 2022 10:09 am

incoherent ramblersays:

September 28, 2022 at 7:42 am

? r^2 x length.

I put that in my Tinder profile.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 28, 2022 10:09 am

Zulu hard to believe that people actually get paid to write that sort of puke

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 28, 2022 10:10 am

? was meant to be pi.
But maybe ? works.

JC
JC
September 28, 2022 10:11 am

Thanks Dr F . Great explanation from a real engineer.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 28, 2022 10:13 am

H B Bearsays:
September 28, 2022 at 8:31 am
My experience was Poms are generally cheap. Given the choice of cheap and bad or paying more for better quality your average Pom chooses cheap every time. This does not always apply which is why one always buys one’s Bentley from the factory.

That’s funny peculiar coz I’ve worked for two Pommie multinationals. The guys on the floor being fitters had rubbish tools but the toolmakers had the best money could buy. The poms I went fishing with all had excellent tackle. I’ve only met 2 poms I didn’t like, an out and out crook and all the unionists. I take that back, I knew one shop steward who was very good looking after the workers affairs and he was interested in my point of view. This was before I found out I was conservative.

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 10:16 am

Great comment:

Sheesh you never heard of Sudden Pipeline Death Syndrome?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 28, 2022 10:17 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
September 28, 2022 at 10:02 am
Tame’s advocacy to keep ‘lighting fires’
Jack GramenzAAP
Wed, 28 September 2022 1:35AM

Swivel eyed loon and grifter.

Cassie of Sydney
September 28, 2022 10:18 am

“Drag is to women what blackface is to Black people: a costume, a caricature, a mockery, a cheapening, a dehumanization.”

I’ve been saying that for a long time. The woman who first coined this accurate analogy is a British radical feminist by the name of Professor Sheila Jeffreys, a feminist I have a lot of time for. Jeffreys also argues that “drag” is the epitome of misogyny. Jeffreys used to lecture at Melbourne University. Like Germaine Greer, she’s been cancelled for her honesty and inciteful analysis. Jeffreys is also, like me, against surrogacy, prostitution and porn….all of which exploit women.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 10:19 am

GreyRanga – I was talking about food. Pommy tools, shot guns, suits are often some of the best.

bespoke
bespoke
September 28, 2022 10:24 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
September 28, 2022 10:26 am

The Poms have a few iconic brands – Kangol hats, Brooks bicycle seats. I’m sure there are plenty of others.

Johnny Rotten
September 28, 2022 10:27 am

“What is your father’s occupation?” asked the school secretary, filling in the forms at the start of the new year. “He’s a magician” said the small boy. “How interesting! What’s his favourite trick?” “Sawing people in half”. “Really? Now, next question. Any brothers or sisters?” “Yes, one half-brother and two half-sisters”.

Johnny Rotten
September 28, 2022 10:28 am

Don’t be dependent. At all. Ever. Period.

– Jordan Peterson

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 28, 2022 10:29 am

When the Longford Gas Plant did a passable impression of a large Bic lighter in 1998, I seem to recall that maintaining pressure in the line was a priority, because of the risks of low pressure and ultimate re-pressurisation.
And it is about 200 km.

P
P
September 28, 2022 10:29 am

The damage to the line pipe will eventually reveal whether someone laid a charge on the outside, or whether the explosions came from within.

If from within, it was Gazprom wot done it – and the Poot is sending a bizarre ‘don’t give a fuck’ message.

Nord Stream gas leaks raise climate fears, but impact hard to quantify

At the end 0f the above article are several more links which are quite interesting.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 28, 2022 10:30 am

in terms of gas pipeline breaches – a vanishingly rare occurrence in petroleum engineering world – three independent ones, all at once, accompanied by seismic signatures of explosions, is certainly not natural shit happening.

Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action – Ian Fleming.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 28, 2022 10:35 am

Study confirms link between COVID-19 vaccination and temporary increase in menstrual cycle length

An ‘increase in menstrual cycle length’ = no menses = infertility……

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 28, 2022 10:36 am

Don’t be dependent. At all. Ever. Period. – Jordan Peterson

Yep, its the first test of ‘adulting’ – and one failed by all those people who yielded to jab coercion against their will.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 28, 2022 10:37 am

The poms I went fishing with all had excellent tackle.

Phrasing!

P
P
September 28, 2022 10:37 am

Feb 8, 2022

TheLastRefuge Retweeted
ABC News @ABC
Pres. Biden: “If Russia invades…then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”

Reporter: “But how will you do that, exactly, since…the project is in Germany’s control?”

Biden: “I promise you, we will be able to do that.” http://abcn.ws/3B5SScx

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662?cxt=HHwWjMC-oY_2rbApAAAA

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 10:43 am

Can some Cat clear this up for me:

-Nordstream 2 had gas in pipes but was not operational? It still looked like there was a plan for Europe (Germany) to tap into it for winter?
-NDS 1 was fully operational?

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 10:45 am

And… this, which happened on the same day… has nothing to do with NDS leaks:

https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/27/baltic-pipe-norway-poland-gas-pipeline-opens-in-key-move-to-cut-dependency-on-russia

??????

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 28, 2022 10:48 am

Grauniad doing their best to bootstrap BLMUK after an aspiring rapper was cruelly taken from his loving family by the trigger happy Old Bill.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 28, 2022 10:48 am

What would be the purpose? The US and Germany are aligned politically at the moment.

Reduce the power of Europe, cripple competitor production, increase one’s own exports, strengthen the dollar, Biden is a vile arsehole.

Take your pick

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 10:55 am

And here’s some DOOM!!!

Russian Military in occupied-Kherson and Zaporizhia regions are being given iodine, chemical suits, and other things for radiation sickness. – Russian military command.

Information requires further confirmation.

Not sure I buy it…

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 28, 2022 10:55 am

Yes the old thief is a vile lump of evil but the miserable excuse of a government in the US seems to be trying to cripple its own energy availablity.

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 11:01 am

And, here’s something interesting from the Seapower magazine in June 2022:

US/NATO Experimentation was conducted off the coast of Bornholm, Denmark, with participants from Naval Information Warfare Center Pacific, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Newport, and Mine Warfare Readiness and Effectiveness Measuring all under the direction of U.S. 6th Fleet Task Force 68.

In support of BALTOPS, U.S. Navy 6th Fleet partnered with U.S. Navy research and warfare centers to bring the latest advancements in unmanned underwater vehicle mine hunting technology to the Baltic Sea to demonstrate the vehicle’s effectiveness in operational scenarios

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 11:10 am

Can some Cat clear this up for me

Lysander – Nordstream 2 wasn’t operational because the EU hadn’t given authorization (they have a rule that pipeline operators have to have European equity or something, which Russia didn’t agree with). Also both Nordstream 1 pipelines were down for annual maintenance.

I am not convinced by the US-wot-dun-it arguments since the USS Kearsage was sailing happy and Larry with transponders on. Which means anyone who wanted to do the deed only had to wait for her to arrive for plausible deniability. I suspect Russia, China and all the usual suspects will start screeching about this. On the other hand the Gazprom/Naftogaz dispute, which has coincidentally flared up at the same time suggests there’s more going on than meets the eye.

I wonder whether this is a for-all-the-marbles stratagem to knobble NATO or take revenge for the EU generally supporting Ukraine. I can imagine reasons why Russia, China, USA and some others might do this. But realistically it probably needed a major power for the dimensions of the undersea strikes.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
September 28, 2022 11:15 am

USS Kearsage was sailing happy and Larry with transponders on. Which means anyone who wanted to do the deed only had to wait for her to arrive for plausible deniability.

Autonomous Underwater Vehicles could easily carry out this task undetected. Probably have greater range than we’re aware of as well.

The U.S. has both means and motive to carry this out, I don’t really see anyone else with a higher likelihood at this stage

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 11:19 am

Thanks Bruce! 🙂

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 11:19 am

US/NATO Experimentation was conducted off the coast of Bornholm, Denmark

Yeah, as I said USS Kearsarge is there right now, on exercise. Which is suspicious since the US committing an actual open act of war against Russia, against EU interests, would be rather odd strategy. Definitely not in the Sun Tzu handbook. On the other hand the US military ain’t what it used to be at higher brass altitude.

Old bloke
Old bloke
September 28, 2022 11:19 am

dover0beach says:
September 28, 2022 at 10:20 am

Philip Pilkington
@philippilk
1/ Now that the Nordstream pipelines are gone it’s worth thinking about how a deindustrialisation of Europe via permantly high energy prices.

Good thread.

Point 8 in that thread….

8/ All of this is basically a repeat of what happened in the 1920s. It resulted in the Great Depression. But this time, only the West will sink into depression. The new BRICS+ bloc is building a seperate economic bloc and will continue to grow while the West wither on the vine.

It’s worth remembering that the BRICS+ bloc contains more than half of the world’s population. The leaders in the West, whoever they may be (it certainly isn’t Joe Brandon,) have really screwed things up.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 28, 2022 11:20 am

would a separate thread for discussion and links to emerging news be welcomed

Good call Dover.

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 11:23 am

Definitely not in the Sun Tzu handbook.

Nor was the line about leaving billions of dollars worth of military equipment behind in enemy territory.

JC
JC
September 28, 2022 11:23 am

Reduce the power of Europe, cripple competitor production, increase one’s own exports, strengthen the dollar, Biden is a vile arsehole.

Take your pick

I’d leave out the strengthen the greenback as artificially created “strength” causes other problems. The slope of the yield curve in the US is suggesting we’re getting awfully close to a tip over the side. Bank stocks are a great indicator too.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 28, 2022 11:25 am

Yes, separate thread would be good.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 11:26 am

Thinking out loud here and would appreciate feedback. When incidents like Nord Stream occur, would a separate thread for discussion and links to emerging news be welcomed

Probably not Dover. This stuff is so murky that all it would do is cause unnecessary insolvable arguments. It is interesting in respect to EU climate policy, but that’s not quite the same topic.

Gabor
Gabor
September 28, 2022 11:26 am

I am not convinced by the US-wot-dun-it arguments

BS, all Russia had to do was to turn off the tap.
Some realism wouldn’t go astray.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 28, 2022 11:28 am

Indolentsays:
September 28, 2022 at 9:39 am
This is truly beyond belief.

Jan. 6 Prisoner Beaten til He Lost an Eye, Later He Was Tied to Chair for 12 Hours, Now He Has Blood Clots and Precancerous Growths, Government Won’t Allow Him Medical Treatment – They Want Him Dead

Everyone in the chain of command right to the top need to be gone after, stripped of any entitlements, assets and imprisoned (preferably summary execution but I’m getting soft, hanging round with YOU LOT is having a bad effect on me).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 28, 2022 11:28 am

FMD.
I am with JC on small boat adventures. My rello who is a fisher-folk and avid bargain hunter bought a boat from someone in Perth in the 90’s because it was cheap.
He then drove(?) it back to Victoria. I thought it would be a great adventure to accompany him on the high seas.
From memory the tub was less than half the 100′ Bear talks of.
The first three days were moderately shithouse, followed by another three days of absolutely hell.
Howling wind and monster seas.
We didn’t have a chef.
Didn’t need one because all we were eating was cold slop out of cans, which I would convert to burley in ten minutes.
To rub sea-salt into the wounds the fucker sold the boat for what he paid for it within a year.
I am happy to go on short trips offshore, but never doing anything like that again.

rickw
rickw
September 28, 2022 11:33 am

Energy traders are making a killing exporting US natural gas to Europe as prices soar – with some single shipments bringing in $200 million

This little pipeline problem has been a disaster for the USA hasn’t it?!!

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
September 28, 2022 11:34 am

If the US did the strike on NordStream 2 then what retaliation would Vlad undertake? A dirty terrorist bomb in Eastern Ukraine near the borders of other European countries. A bit of wind in the ‘right’ direction and radio active material appears in Eastern European countries.

Interesting times indeed. Vlad can’t strike directly on the US but he can do some damage on some of its allies and make Ukraine uninhabitable.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 28, 2022 11:35 am

In Can We Go Home Now? news:

Kremlin claims victory in controversial Ukraine referendums set to pave way for annexation

According to Russia-installed election officials, 93 per cent of the ballots cast in the Zaporizhzhia region supported annexation, as did 87 per cent in the Kherson region, 98 per cent in the Luhansk region and 99 per cent in Donetsk.

Well, that’s pretty conclusive then.
Continuation of the fine tradition of Soviet-era voting.

JC
JC
September 28, 2022 11:35 am

I’ve always thought of a boat trip as a hedonistic thing to do. Sail calm seas, decent food , great views of Greek islands or the Amalfi coast and a heaps of sex.

Perhaps it’s just not manly enough.

Razey
Razey
September 28, 2022 11:37 am

Bear Necessitiessays:
September 28, 2022 at 11:34 am
If the US did the strike on NordStream 2 then what retaliation would Vlad undertake?

Easy.

Bomb the new Poland/Norway pipeline.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
September 28, 2022 11:40 am

Also Vlad could stock up any jihadist with weapons either directly or through China, Iran or North Korea. Biden has given up on ending the Ukraine war. Ukraine is in for worser times I feel.

Johnny Rotten
September 28, 2022 11:40 am

I love California, I practically grew up in Phoenix.

– Dan Quayle

Johnny Rotten
September 28, 2022 11:41 am

I was in a bar Saturday night, and had a few drinks. I noticed two large women by the bar. They both had strong accents so I asked “Hey, are you two ladies from Ireland?” One of them screamed “It’s Wales you idiot!” So, I immediately apologised and said “Sorry, are you two whales from Ireland?” That’s all I remember.

Razey
Razey
September 28, 2022 11:42 am

Gaborsays:
September 28, 2022 at 11:26 am
I am not convinced by the US-wot-dun-it arguments

BS, all Russia had to do was to turn off the tap.
Some realism wouldn’t go astray.

False Flags are back in vogue.

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 11:42 am

If you can stomach the read about Bob Hawke’s sexual history:

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/books-authors/2022/09/all-in-bed-with-bob-mistresses-and-media-both/

#vomit

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 28, 2022 11:43 am

Yeah, as I said USS Kearsarge is there right now, on exercise. Which is suspicious since the US committing an actual open act of war against Russia, against EU interests, would be rather odd strategy.

The Kearsage is a tiny little stealth vessel. Nobody would notice it slipping away and stationing directly above the pipelines for a few hours, while it deployed an ROV, or specialist divers to place charges.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 28, 2022 11:49 am

Dear President Biden.
Northern Fleet Command has informed me an electrical fault
has caused the launch of a Zircon ASM in the direction of your Task Group.
They have also informed me the electrical fault may have fuzed the warhead.
Apologies in advance,
V. Putin.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 11:55 am

Some realism wouldn’t go astray.

Gabor – I can think of at least seven entities who would gain by this act, and could conceivably be in a position to carry it out. Obviously some are more likely than others. But this situation is incredibly murky and I very much doubt we’ll know who did it for a long time, if ever. There’s more at stake than just some reparable pipelines. We’re in a new Great Game period of history, coupled with a fanatical new religion on the march.

Mater
September 28, 2022 12:00 pm

while it deployed an ROV, or specialist divers to place charges.

Specialist Divers could just as easily be deployed and recovered by Submarine, without ever breaking the surface.

The US took this stuff so seriously that they had at least one nuclear submarine dedicated exclusively to such things.

USS Kamehameha (SSBN-642)

The Kamehameha might now be decommissioned, but it’s unlikely the capability has gone dormant.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 12:03 pm

Many years ago I tried to charter a boat from the Kona coast of the Big Island to the Hana coast of Maui.
They called me an idiot & reminded me that’s where Captain Cook almost sank trying to do the same thing.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 28, 2022 12:03 pm

flyingduksays:
September 28, 2022 at 10:37 am
The poms I went fishing with all had excellent tackle.

Phrasing!

Chuckle. Further to that, two Scotsman, brothers in law had a fire going on the riverbank cooking snags and having a wee nip or two. One of them dropped his snag in the fire, swept it out with his boot, picked it up covered in ash and grass then started to eat it. He looks at his BiL,” don’t tell your sister”. “okay as long as you don’t mention the new Hardy’s reel I brought. Arthur was a toolmaker and used to spend the money on fishing tackle that he told his wife was new replacement tools. Jim was a lawyer who loved fishing mainly coz it got him away from overbearing wife. Dour Scotsman at home, fun loving away. Both long gone now.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 28, 2022 12:05 pm

Oh Izzy!
Naturally, the next Greta’s mum is outraged.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 28, 2022 12:10 pm

That Izzy clip wins the internet today.

bespoke
bespoke
September 28, 2022 12:13 pm

lotocotisays:
September 28, 2022 at 12:05 pm
Oh Izzy!
Naturally, the next Greta’s mum is outraged.

I demand you listen to me ya bully!

Meh! typical entertainment.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 28, 2022 12:14 pm

Ukraine says it’s treason to vote at all, with an attendant fifteen year prison term. Why shouldn’t we expect most of the pro-Ukrainian population to abstain, leading to a huge margin in favor of Russia?

Obviously Big Serge is an impeccable source, but I’d probably be more convinced about his analysis if he wasn’t apparently lying about his basic premise.

Kyiv has warned that Ukrainians who assist the votes and annexations will face treason charges and at least five years in jail.

“We have lists of names of people who have been involved in some way,” presidential adviser Mikhailo Podolyak told Swiss newspaper Blick.

However, Podolyak said, Ukrainians who were forced to vote would not be punished.

Arguably safest to believe nothing coming out of this conflict.

local oaf
September 28, 2022 12:15 pm

Football Time (1960) – National Film and Sound Archive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t4CD5RQQ9c

10 minutes 44 seconds

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 28, 2022 12:18 pm

Specialist Divers could just as easily be deployed and recovered by Submarine, without ever breaking the surface.

They might indeed.
However, the point at issue is the emerging argument that the USS Kearsarge is a smoking gun.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 28, 2022 12:19 pm

Lysandersays:
September 28, 2022 at 11:42 am
If you can stomach the read about Bob Hawke’s sexual history:

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/books-authors/2022/09/all-in-bed-with-bob-mistresses-and-media-both/

#vomit

From the Comments

The media treated Hawke with kid-gloves. It does the same internationally. When a Republican is in the White House, journalists all want to be Woodward and Bernstein. When a Democrat’s there, they all want to be Monica Lewinski …

bespoke
bespoke
September 28, 2022 12:24 pm

Meh! typical entertainment.

Intitlement
I blame DrBG.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 28, 2022 12:25 pm

On sea-faring adventures, I have no doubt JC would have pulled the pin with the first splash of salt-water on the tasseled loafers in Fremantle.

Gabor
Gabor
September 28, 2022 12:28 pm

I can think of at least seven entities who would gain by this act,

Fair enough, but I still can’t see Russia in that seven.
People usually act rationally.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 28, 2022 12:30 pm

JCsays:

September 28, 2022 at 11:35 am

I’ve always thought of a boat trip as a hedonistic thing to do. Sail calm seas, decent food , great views of Greek islands or the Amalfi coast and a heaps of sex.

With ladies?

Perhaps it’s just not manly enough.

Oh, right.

P
P
September 28, 2022 12:30 pm
Old bloke
Old bloke
September 28, 2022 12:40 pm

Dr Faustus says:
September 28, 2022 at 12:14 pm

Ukraine says it’s treason to vote at all, with an attendant fifteen year prison term. Why shouldn’t we expect most of the pro-Ukrainian population to abstain, leading to a huge margin in favor of Russia?

I don’t understand why the Kiev regime is opposed to this referendum after all Zelensky won the election with a promise that his government would hold this same referendum.

There are, we are told, 1,000 election observers overseeing the vote. This doesn’t mean that the Russians won’t cheat somehow during the process but I’d be inclined to believe that this vote would be more accurate than the 2020 USA election results.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 28, 2022 12:42 pm

If it wasn’t serious it would be funny.
“Let’s boycott everything Wussian and bring them to their knees”.
“Except their major export, gas. Because we really, really, need their gas”.

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 12:42 pm

Global alarm has been sounded after the explosions in the Russian Nord Stream pipelines. The former Minister of National Defense and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland in a stupid move – even if true – thanked the US for the explosions in the Russian pipelines.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 28, 2022 12:47 pm

Fair enough, but I still can’t see Russia in that seven.
People usually act rationally.

I can, since Putin is trying to defeat and break up NATO, not just Ukraine.

I am no friend of NATO btw. It really does need to be broken up into a more sensible bunch of alliances. To start with Turkey needs a thorough booting out. Poland/Hungary and the other central European states (NOT Germany) would be another natural alliance.

Speedbox
September 28, 2022 12:48 pm

Razey says:
September 28, 2022 at 11:37 am
Bear Necessitiessays:
September 28, 2022 at 11:34 am
If the US did the strike on NordStream 2 then what retaliation would Vlad undertake?
Easy.
Bomb the new Poland/Norway pipeline.

And take out one or two undersea internet cables in the Atlantic.

Of course, probably all be moot by that point. If, and it is still a big if, the USA is responsible, it is an act of war and whilst Russia is unlikely to respond directly (overtly) against American interests at this time, this shit can spiral out of control very quickly. This incident, if it is proven to be deliberate sabotage, is potentially the most dangerous act of provocation since WWII, by any nation.

Lysander
Lysander
September 28, 2022 12:50 pm

Don’t worry Speedbox and Cats – Joe Biden is “in charge” – I mean, what could go wrong! :O

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