Open Thread – Tues 18 Oct 2022


The Fall of the Rebel Angels, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1562

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 18, 2022 6:34 pm

From the dead fred …

Prosecutor Shane Drumgold has begun the crown’s closing submission, telling the jury the case against Bruce Lehrmann is not about the #MeToo movement or parliamentary culture.

Mr Drumgold warned jurors not to get distracted by “red herrings” and said the case was not about political parties or movements

Err, wut?
Not about politics?
So why call two ministers who had fuck all to add to the case?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2022 6:35 pm

The suspects (Dahbia B., Amine K., Friha B., and Rachid N.) all hail from the same Algerian village, and one of them may be in the country illegally.

Should be handed over to the old and the bold of the Foreign Legion, for a lesson in the use of Anne Marie L’Amperage.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 18, 2022 6:35 pm

I’m not sure you can distinguish between an accused tactics and that of their barrister. The barrister, of course, would provide advice on strategy but like a solicitor be bound by instructions from their client. Agree, it is unlikely to have made any difference in the Pell case.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 18, 2022 6:36 pm

I would not be surprised if there was an element of ‘recovered’ memories.

My experience surrounding my Canberra protest arrest suggests this is very definitely a thing. All 3 AFP witnesses have given detailed and matching descriptions of what I did, and what the scene looked like. The only problem is my video shows different – at best, all 3 remember what the scene looked like later in the incident (cones out, traffic control signs etc) and have ‘mis – remembered’ it being so at the start. Funny thing is, if they bothered to look at their own body cam vision they would know that.

Razey
Razey
October 18, 2022 6:37 pm

JCsays:
October 18, 2022 at 3:35 pm
I find it laughable that people actually believe the Ruble and the RMB are gaining reserve status when both those economies are about to die before our eyes over the medium term.

Are there any currencies not circling the drain?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 18, 2022 6:38 pm

Hahaha, I’m a prophet! Said some time ago that the purple e-bikes which mysteriously infested my suburb would turn out to be a disaster. Which was an easy prediction, since that’s what happened everywhere else.

E-bike failure says Lake Macquarie residents | NBN News (18 Oct)

An absolute failure – that’s how some residents are describing a trial of electronic bikes at Lake Macquarie. Pictures have emerged of the bikes being found dumped… but the company behind them says most riders are doing the right thing.

They’ve spread all over the place usually lying on their sides despondently. They never seem to be collected, recharged or serviced. I’ve been wondering with all the rain whether they’ll start exploding like those EVs in Florida.

The story reports there’ve been 270 of the wretched things distributed. Not much change from half a million then. And the company proudly says they’ve done an aggregate 15,000 km! Wow! Which is less than 60 km each in several months.

And now, the story says, our council is going to trial hired e-scooters. Oh joy. That will not only be a disaster but also send kids to hospital. They have ‘way too much torque and if you are heavy on the throttle you will go over backwards and hit your head on the concrete.

cohenite
October 18, 2022 6:38 pm

“satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt Ms Higgins didn’t make up the allegation”

Interesting wording.

Shouldn’t it be “satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that L raped Miss H”?

The standard of proof in criminal trials must apply to both proving the act and disproving the defences; the prosecution has to prove save brittany was raped and didn’t make up the allegation.

Why do I keep recalling A Passage to India?

Because its E. M. Forster’s second best novel.

mc
mc
October 18, 2022 6:39 pm

Funny. I was caught in the one in October 93. Very similar specs.

Me too Mater, spent the night in a flooded car between Murchison and Violet Town.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 18, 2022 6:43 pm

Prosecutor Shane Drumgold says “strong political forces” were at play throughout the election and the two-years Brittany Higgins worked at Parliament House, and she was right to proceed cautiously with the alleged rape.

“She was right to be scared, she was right to be cautious,” he said

Now there’s another line of bullshit.
Britnah claimed she was afraid to make a complaint because “Lehrmann was well connected”.
Mmmyes.
So well connected he was told by his ministerial chief of staff to pack his things in a Xerox box and fuck off.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 18, 2022 6:44 pm

I saw a muslim woman today at a shopping centre, wearing a pretty full covering suite of clothing.
Not a burka per se, but at least nicab, shawl, skirt, nothing showing.
Question: if a sister is this observant, shouldn’t she also have a male relative along with her?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 18, 2022 6:44 pm

I stopped off at Echuca on my way back from Victoriastan. There are some serious levees around the place. Wandering down to the river the paddle steamers were about 10m below the level of the dock. It is a serious river (as is the Clarence when you get further north). Nothing much like it in SW WA.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
October 18, 2022 6:45 pm

Is it too much to expect that m’learned Judge would direct the jury as to where responsibility for proving their case beyond a reasonable doubt rests, if not explicitly outing the prosecution for attempting to reverse the onus of proof?

Mater
October 18, 2022 6:45 pm

Me too Mater, spent the night in a flooded car between Murchison and Violet Town.

Hilarious!
I was sitting on a car roof on the same stretch of road…slowly drifting into a paddock.
Listed as AWOL.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 18, 2022 6:45 pm

On witnessess…

years ago during detention training we ran an excercise where 3 of us did a violent 15 second long “play” in front of 20 people who were told to watch and write down what they saw/heard. No swapping notes or talking.

from memory
Out of the 20 about 5 were semi accurate, but had some things in wrong order/ people saying things.
10 were just jumbled series of parts of what went on.
5 were just wildly out there, no resemblance to what occurred or completely swapping out victim from perp.

Taught me that if theres ever an incident where all the witnesses agree on every detail its a stich up.
Also taught me treating witnesses as the “gold standard” of proof is fraught with peril.

Its a great party trick if you are caught in a boring training session and can figure a way to work it in.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 18, 2022 6:47 pm

“Labor for a better future.”
Thanks Anthony.
When did that last happen?

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 18, 2022 6:49 pm

Amendment: when did that last happen without active co-operation of the conservative side of politics?

MatrixTransform
October 18, 2022 6:49 pm

I don’t know how we shake them off

do not play the bit-part you are assigned

never discuss anything using their terms of reference

if anything they say is based in logical fallacy, tell them they’re full of shit and to fuck off
end of conversation

when their rhetorical play resolves to threat, which it always does
tell ’em to bite you

make your plans and sort your stuff out and let natural consequences take their toll

Johnny Rotten
October 18, 2022 6:50 pm

I was working out for the first time at the gym earlier when this stunning young blonde walked in. I asked the trainer standing next to me “What machine should I use to impress that hot woman over there?” The trainer looked me over and said “I’d recommend the ATM in the foyer.”

calli
calli
October 18, 2022 6:54 pm

Because its E. M. Forster’s second best novel.

😀

Quite so.

Johnny Rotten
October 18, 2022 6:55 pm

Women are like pianos. When they’re not upright, they’re grand.

– Benny Hill

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 18, 2022 6:55 pm

Whenever there’s a scare and a flight to safety traders go straight to the USD. Not to the yuan, ruble or euro. I can’t see that changing for a long while yet.

The USD may be the ‘cleanest dirty shirt in the hamper’ (h/t Peter schiff) but it still ain’t clean. At some point, people will realise that and start looking outside the hamper entirely. That should see gold and BTC attract attention.

bespoke
bespoke
October 18, 2022 6:55 pm

Mr Lehrmann’s interview with the Australian Federal Police is the only account of his version of events to which the public can access.

I bet that annoyed the media.

Play the game or we will shaft you!.

calli
calli
October 18, 2022 6:59 pm

Now you’ve got me wanting to return to Florence, but Spain’s the next drink on the bar (after Iceland and Norway).

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 18, 2022 6:59 pm

On witnessess…
Von Braun and the Peenemunde gang very quickly learned to take movies of every attempted rocket launch otherwise three witnesses would come up with 3 different stories of how the rocket behaved before blowing up.

rosie
rosie
October 18, 2022 7:02 pm

“They’ll get a slap on the wrist as the victim is white.”
For the rape and murder of a twelve year old in France.
Seems a little unlikely.

Rabz
October 18, 2022 7:03 pm

Another triumph in televisual stupidity. The Erin Molan whingefest that Sky have been endlessly spruiking for what seems like months has just come on.

Result? Television immediately turned off.

Grate work you, clueless dunderheads.

Razey
Razey
October 18, 2022 7:04 pm

rosiesays:
October 18, 2022 at 7:02 pm
“They’ll get a slap on the wrist as the victim is white.”
For the rape and murder of a twelve year old in France.
Seems a little unlikely.

They’ll make up some sob story for them.

Rabz
October 18, 2022 7:04 pm

Bloody commas …

Roger
Roger
October 18, 2022 7:06 pm

“They’ll get a slap on the wrist as the victim is white.”
For the rape and murder of a twelve year old in France.
Seems a little unlikely.

I was going to say…child murder in France attracts a mandatory life sentence.

Chris
Chris
October 18, 2022 7:10 pm

I just was privileged to try a portable XRF on a bunch of various coins and metal objects. For those who find this fun:

WW2 general service medal – 75 Cu, 25 Ni

1935 English crown 68.9% Ag
1959 Aus sixpence 57.9 % Ag
Gotta get some 1966 Australian round 50c and see what Ag that has!

Pennies…
British 1d of 1865, 1866 were 81% Cu, 5.5% Sn, 1.4 % Zn, 2.5% Al and 6.4-6.8% Si (!).
1921,1922 Australian 1d were 93-95% Cu, 5.5-4.5% Sn. But the 1945 penny had upped the Zn from 1.4 to 3.3% and reduced Sn to 3.5%. Saving on tin perhaps, then mostly sourced from Malaya?

Also, diecasting in WW2 strongly favoured ‘Mazak’, an alloy that was mostly Zinc plus a bit of copper and Al; the ribbed grip of the Sykes Fairbairn commando dagger and the foregrip and magazine housing of the Austen SMG were made of that alloy. Zinc was a co-product at Mt Isa and Broken Hill mines so much favoured for wartime production.

After that… 1990s ‘silver’ coins from Australia, Britain AND Zimbabwe were all close to 75% Cu, 25% Ni.
And then for fun, a dore gold bar: 89.8% Au, 10.2% Ag.

And a couple of iron tsubas; one had 3.6% Si in the iron (sorry no C can be read by this instrument). I am guessing it is a craft iron product. It looks rough, until you realise the roughness is deliberate; there is a relief spider carved above the iron! I wonder if that is an inlay or not.

The other has a few tiny scraps of gold inlay. I detected the gold but was excited to discover silver inlays still there, but hidden against the blackened iron by black oxidation! Darn. I cannot clean it to see the design!

Rafiki
Rafiki
October 18, 2022 7:12 pm

H B Bear and others
Much might turn on how McCalllum CJ instructs the jury. Although not obliged to do so, she will probably follow the model direction in the Judges Bench Book. That model is very short and expressed in language that laypeople find hard to grasp. And then, what tone of voice will she use, and will she make eye contact with the jury?
OTOH, she will probably also tell the jury to use their common sense.
Here, the jury saw Higgins cross-examined over days, and called a liar. I have no problem with that, but the jury may make an unfavourable between her experience and Lehrmann’s decision to avoid cross-examination.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2022 7:13 pm

I saw a muslim woman today at a shopping centre, wearing a pretty full covering suite of clothing.

Some years ago, in Penang, Malaysia, a Muslim woman, in the full rig went para sailing, and became entangled in a tree. In the subsequent confusion, she was revealed to be wearing a red G- string under the full rig…..her husband was not a happy man that Westerners may have beheld his chattel’s taste in underwear……

Delta A
Delta A
October 18, 2022 7:14 pm

Spain’s the next drink on the bar (after Iceland and Norway).

Enjoy your travels, calli. And keep the travelogues coming. Along with Elizabeth’s, they are great reading.

Razey
Razey
October 18, 2022 7:23 pm

Why would anyone take medical advice from a government who thinks women can have penises?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 18, 2022 7:24 pm

The jury may do lots of things. If you are going to proceed with jury trials the extent to which the court system can protect all parties is necessarily limited.

Speedbox
October 18, 2022 7:25 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
October 18, 2022 at 6:38 pm

The story reports there’ve been 270 of the wretched things distributed. Not much change from half a million then.

Those e-bikes cost, and I’m talking China manufactured and bulk buying, about $225-275 each. Beam (the purple company) would buy them in the thousands as they have operations across Australia, almost all of Asia including Japan, and Turkey, so their buy price would be even less. At most, Beam might have paid around $48-50,000 for the bikes (say, $185 each, top).

e-scooters of that power and style are about $200 – $240 but again, Beam would buy them in the thousands so the actual price paid would be less.

….. send kids to hospital. They have ‘way too much torque and if you are heavy on the throttle you will go over backwards and hit your head on the concrete.

As for power, they are gutless. Laws vary between states but the public rental versions typically are only 250w. Top speed is electronically limited to 25km/h, which they struggle to achieve on a good day with a following wind, and some states enforce geo-tracking so the ebike/scooter power system won’t work in busy pedestrian malls. And helmets are mandatory for the vertically challenged.

——
I’ve owned and been riding an e-scooter for almost four years. I don’t use it a lot but it will come as no surprise when I say that it has substantially more power than 250w with a top speed well in excess of 25km/h.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 18, 2022 7:26 pm

The Britnah Believers in the ABC are doing their best.
The newsreader even raised her eyebrows with a incredulous look when she related that the defence claims that the rope never happened but donned the serious face set for Britnah’s dire story.
The ABC is a clown show for kids.

Razey
Razey
October 18, 2022 7:28 pm

Micron is already making excuses:

À Paris, il y a 61 ans, la répression d’une manifestation d’indépendantistes Algériens faisait des centaines de blessés et des dizaines de morts. Des crimes inexcusables pour la République. La France n’oublie pas les victimes. La vérité est le seul chemin pour un avenir partagé.

In Paris, 61 years ago, the repression of a demonstration by Algerian separatists left hundreds injured and dozens dead. Inexcusable crimes for the Republic. France does not forget the victims. Truth is the only path to a shared future.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 18, 2022 7:32 pm

Britnah Believers

Not to be confused with the Little Lebowski Urban Achievers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VecinjfP8Bk

2dogs
2dogs
October 18, 2022 7:33 pm

The prosecution has made this all about the believability of H.
Which is exactly what happened in R V Pell.

Another similarity is the possibility of another person having committed the crime, with the victim misidentifying the culprit.

Even more so in Pell’s case, where J testified that he got into the wine, which was kept in the priests’, not the bishop’s, vestry. Pell was too busy with talking to parishioners, but another priest might have had a better opportunity.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 7:35 pm

I have no problem with that, but the jury may make an unfavourable between her experience and Lehrmann’s decision to avoid cross-examination.
Don’t wet your panties yet.
Judge will yell Jury they mustn’t draw any unfavourable conclusions from Brucey’s not giving evidence, but the facts are he’s told a few lies in Statements.
Why would he go back to the Office to drink whiskey?
Didn’t he keep any at home?
Why did he leave Higgins at Parliament House when he’d told others he was taking her home?
What were the circumstances of his previous Security Breach?
Was he accompanied by an extremely drunk woman then, as well?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 7:40 pm

Another similarity is the possibility of another person having committed the crime, with the victim misidentifying the culprit.
There were only the security Guards, Higgins and Brucey in the building at the time.
If you’re excluding The Brucester and not fingering a security guard, then who was it?
The ghost of Harold Holt?

rosie
rosie
October 18, 2022 7:41 pm

“Even more so in Pell’s case, where J testified that he got into the wine, which was kept in the priests’, not the bishop’s, vestry”
In the circumstances when the alleged crime moved from after choir practice mid week and from one year to another, seems unlikely.
Especially when there was significant movement around the sacristy after mass, and almost no time for the boys to ‘get into the wine’ let along be assaulted.

Roger
Roger
October 18, 2022 7:43 pm

Liz Truss polling as the worst PM in UK history.

And that was just before she did another u-turn, jettisoning her energy price cap policy which would have seen household bills stabilised for two years, providing much needed relief from cost of living pressures.

The manner in which the Tories have squandered their 2019 electoral advantage over Labor is astonishing.

The ALP, which has nothing like such an advantage, will ignore UK developments at their peril.

And the likelihood of that seems to be Peter Dutton’s chief strategy.

rosie
rosie
October 18, 2022 7:43 pm

“Micron is already making excuses:”
Or perhaps one thing has nothing to do with the other.

rosie
rosie
October 18, 2022 7:46 pm

It is in fact the anniversary of the Paris massacre on 17 October.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 18, 2022 7:46 pm

Groogs on the case!

rickw
rickw
October 18, 2022 7:49 pm

but also runs more sinister operations under the nose of local authorities

Under nose?

More likely with full support.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
October 18, 2022 7:50 pm

The ACT is woke as, but surely the judge must warn the jury of the forensic disadvantage to L because of H’s failure to say anything about assault until the following Thursday. By then, Parliamentary Services had organised a deep clean of the minister’s office: as no one knew that it might be an alleged crime scene, they very sensibly decided that removing the smell of stale puke took priority. Hence there is no forensic evidence. Then there was the famous dress that she washed, so that forensic tests in it were inconclusive.

But that would be traditional British justice, which as all politically correct persons know is patriarchal, sexist, colonialist, racist etc etc.

Cassie of Sydney
October 18, 2022 7:51 pm

Some years ago, in Penang, Malaysia, a Muslim woman, in the full rig went para sailing, and became entangled in a tree. In the subsequent confusion, she was revealed to be wearing a red G- string under the full rig…..her husband was not a happy man that Westerners may have beheld his chattel’s taste in underwear……”

I remember about five years ago, on a stinking humid February Sydney day, I went down to Bronte Beach with a friend for a swim, it was late afternoon. Bronte Beach has always attracted lots of migrant families, it has a beautiful park, very good BBQ facilities and, whilst the beach can be rather dangerous, Bronte boasts a gorgeous natural rockpool and ocean pool which are both very safe for swimming. It’s a perfect beach for families and children. Growing up, Bronte always attracted Italian and Greek families, now it attracts Western Sydney adherents of a particular ideology.

Anyway, walking down the path to the beach I noticed a family, the women fully attired in hideous black burkas, the men just in singlets and boardies. It’s hard not to notice the pervasive “gender” inequality. My first thought, given how oppressively hot the day was, how on earth do they cope wearing such heavy black attire in the heat? Anyway, my friend and I plonked ourselves on the beach and we went for a swim in the rockpool, then afterwards we sat on the beach chatting away but our gaze was suddenly drawn to the sight of three of the black burka clad women walking slowly (you can’t run in such attire) onto the sand and then into the water. My friend and I watched them walk into the water, all the way up to their necks, and I blinked because I was sure I saw the water part because the three were like hideous black leviathans and I remember thinking maybe that’s how the Red Sea parted. Anyway, whilst the women were bobbing up and down you could clearly see how the burkas constricted their movements, their men folk were splashing, frolicking and swimming. It was a bizarre scene and I remember saying to my friend that all it would take would to suck these women away forever would be one freak wave.

Ain’t multiculturalism great?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 18, 2022 7:51 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 18, 2022 at 7:40 pm
Another similarity is the possibility of another person having committed the crime, with the victim misidentifying the culprit.
There were only the security Guards, Higgins and Brucey in the building at the time.
If you’re excluding The Brucester and not fingering a security guard, then who was it?
The ghost of Harold Holt?

The ghost of Harold Holt would explain why the security CCTV cameras (which were only at the entrance, not in either the ministerial corridors nor offices) didn’t pick the real offender up.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 7:53 pm

So, we know that Reynolds was told to sack Brucey.
So why did she go after Higgins?
Why not let sleeping dogs lie, rather than create an ongoing drama that saw her demoted to DogCatcher, and still be trying to damage Higgins during the Trial?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 18, 2022 7:56 pm

Old Lefty

Then there was the famous dress that she washed, so that forensic tests in it were inconclusive.

The famous dress that she didn’t wear again, until she did, that received a token wash before being thrown away, that re-appeared some 17 months after being thrown away, for forensic investigation, which found nothing? That famous dress?

Roger
Roger
October 18, 2022 7:58 pm

More likely with full support.

Perhaps in Victoria, rick, but I’d be surprised if NSW police were up for circumventing international law on the extradition of foreign nationals to a jurisdiction like China.

Razey
Razey
October 18, 2022 7:59 pm

rosiesays:
October 18, 2022 at 7:46 pm
It is in fact the anniversary of the Paris massacre on 17 October.

And if they never let them in, we wouldn’t be discussing either case at all.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 18, 2022 8:00 pm

Those e-bikes cost, and I’m talking China manufactured and bulk buying, about $225-275 each.

Speedy – That’s amazingly cheap. I mentioned a week or two ago I lifted one up to prop it against a post, they’re extremely heavy. What with the electronics and battery I would have thought an easy couple thou retail. But I have zilch experience of such things. (My basic treadly would be at least $1200 now, Cannondale. I got it new five six years ago for $850 I think.)

On the other hand if they’ve done 60 km each on average I don’t know how that could be much more than ten or twenty bucks, gross. People wouldn’t pay more than 30c/km to ride a bicycle I would’ve thought. I’ve no idea what the rate charged is.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 8:01 pm

The famous dress that she didn’t wear again, until she did, that received a token wash before being thrown away, that re-appeared some 17 months after being thrown away, for forensic investigation, which found nothing? That famous dress?
Did Lisa dictate that part of Higgins Statement?
It sounds like something a nutcase like Jeannette Winterson would write.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2022 8:01 pm

It is in fact the anniversary of the Paris massacre on 17 October.

There’s an account of that massacre in Alistair Horne’s classic “A Savage War Of Peace.” For years afterwards, the official line was that three people had died…

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 8:04 pm

And if they never let them in, we wouldn’t be discussing either case at all.
The history is:
While the Franco Prussian War was raging in the streets of Paris, Parliament sat, and passed a Law making the French Colony of Algeria part of Metropolitan France.

Razey
Razey
October 18, 2022 8:06 pm

Looks like the Nazis are back in power in the Fatherland.

https://gettr.com/vision/p1umrv3a305

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 18, 2022 8:06 pm

Btw the e-bike was still there today when I walked past on usual walking route. Still where I’d propped it up. As a business model it really sucks. But council munni from my rates is the pot o gold I suppose. Labor controls the council of course.

rosie
rosie
October 18, 2022 8:16 pm

Irrelevant to the claim that the French would give the murderers and rapists of a twelve year old girl ‘a slap on the risk’ because they were Algerian and she was white.

bespoke
bespoke
October 18, 2022 8:16 pm

Woomera Rocket city – 1962

Went to a auction there, lots of old machine tools also took the family to the and pub regularly.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2022 8:21 pm

Anyway, walking down the path to the beach I noticed a family, the women fully attired in hideous black burkas, the men just in singlets and boardies.

Quite a common sight in Malaysia – the women following behind in said hideous black burka’s, their lords and masters striding ahead, just in singlets and boardies, slobbering over Western girls in bikini’s…

cohenite
October 18, 2022 8:22 pm

Ain’t multiculturalism great?

It’s grotesque how the focus is on the isis skanks and their brats when islam itself in its entirety is the problem. Sometime ago professor Clive Kessler looked at whether islam had moderates capable of living in and by the laws of the West. He concluded it didn’t. People who let in muslims are traitors.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2022 8:24 pm

While the Franco Prussian War was raging in the streets of Paris, Parliament sat, and passed a Law making the French Colony of Algeria part of Metropolitan France.

Bullshit.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 18, 2022 8:24 pm

Alannah McTeirnan. A blast from the past

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 18, 2022 8:28 pm

Rudd counted on Heather Locklear (HT Tim Blair) on winning the seat in 2013.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 18, 2022 8:30 pm

Alannah McTeirnan. A blast from the past

Wasn’t she the one who had the campaign poster that made her look like a Charlie’s Angel, when in reality she looked like Madeline Albright’s ninety year old sister?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 18, 2022 8:30 pm

Result? Television immediately turned off.

Ditto – big fail Fox with Erin.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 18, 2022 8:31 pm

Richard Cranium

Did Lisa dictate that part of Higgins Statement?

Shirley with your wide range of contacts, you could ask them?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2022 8:31 pm

Wasn’t she the one who had the campaign poster that made her look like a Charlie’s Angel, when in reality she looked like Madeline Albright’s ninety year old sister?

Indeed.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2022 8:37 pm

Daily Mail.

BRITTANY HIGGINS’ TIMELINE

During his closing statements on Tuesday, Lehrmann’s defence lawyer Steven Whybrow told the court about Ms Higgins’ ‘timeline’.

He told the jury Ms Higgins continually ‘puts the blame onto someone else’ – which, he submitted in court, was particularly evident in the order in which her interviews and police statements played out in 2021.

January 27: Sat down for a six-hour conversation with Lisa Wilkinson.

January 28: Told Daniel Try, her chief-of-staff in Michaelia Cash’s office, that she was at a psychologist appointment the previous day – rather than being interviewed by Lisa Wilkinson.

January 29: Ms Higgins resigned from her job as assistant media advisor for Senator Cash.

Early February: Filmed her TV interview with Lisa Wilkinson for The Project.

February 5: Ms Higgins ‘recorded a conversation with her Michaelia Cash – a federal minister – without her knowledge.

February 6: Ms Higgins told Senior Constable Emma Frizzell that she wanted to re-open the investigation into her alleged assault.

February 15: News Corp story was published and Lisa Wilkinson’s interview went to air.

Speedbox
October 18, 2022 8:40 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
October 18, 2022 at 8:00 pm

I’ve done a reasonable amount of bulk importing from China and those e-scooters/bikes are ‘junk’ – built for a price by the thousands in a factory somewhere. Much of the weight will be the battery but the bike/scooter frame has to be strong ‘cos they are often roughly treated.

The thing about pricing is that ebikes/scooters don’t charge on distance, they charge on time. And, believe it or not, they even use ‘surge pricing’. So, if you want to rent during peak times, you pay more. Standard rate is about $1/minute plus a ‘journey’ fee (about $2.50). Fees vary so I can’t be precise.

If you don’t return the helmet to its cradle, you will be charged $15. At the conclusion of the rental you have to take a photo of the bike/scooter at its stopping location to prove geo-location. No photo = the $ charging continues as the rental is not concluded.

So, if the bikes/scooters in your area have done limited time rental, they may not be viable but distance is irrelevant. By the way, collection/re-charging/repairs is mostly subcontracted out. I knew a person who collected scooters during the evening and charged and re-positioned the scooters according to the Beam edict. He earnt about $5 per scooter collected/charged/re-positioned.

Some scooters are fished out of rivers and drains and are usually a write off but city based scooters and bikes make a lot of money and pay for themselves after only, say, 3-4 hours of use. There are ongoing costs but this is a profitable business. Also, the scooter companies pay a licence fee to the local council which is why your council is going to allow scooters. Always follow the money Bruce!

I have ridden public scooters on two occasions and each ride, in Brisbane CBD with lots of people on the footpaths, cost me about $12-15 for 10-12 minutes. City based scooters are probably hired at least a dozen times or more per day…… day after day……. week after week. The raw cost of each scooter is likely recovered within 2-3 days. It’s not that simple of course ‘cos there are ongoing costs but you can do the maths for the probable income generated per scooter depending on its life expectancy.

Finally, I am on my second e-scooter as I gave my first scooter to my eldest son. My latest cost around $1700 but is very quick (1800w) with excellent suspension and disc brakes.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 8:46 pm

January 27: Sat down for a six-hour conversation with Lisa Wilkinson.
That’s 6 hours she’s never getting back.

January 28: Told Daniel Try, her chief-of-staff in Michaelia Cash’s office, that she was at a psychologist appointment the previous day – rather than being interviewed by Lisa Wilkinson.
Big. Fucking. Deal.

January 29: Ms Higgins resigned from her job as assistant media advisor for Senator Cash.
Good for her.

Early February: Filmed her TV interview with Lisa Wilkinson for The Project.
Possible mistake, but turned out okay.
You can’t cheat an honest man/woman.

February 5: Ms Higgins ‘recorded a conversation with her Michaelia Cash – a federal minister – without her knowledge.
So what?

February 6: Ms Higgins told Senior Constable Emma Frizzell that she wanted to re-open the investigation into her alleged assault.
That took guts.

February 15: News Corp story was published and Lisa Wilkinson’s interview went to air.

It didn’t help the Liberal Party, that’s for sure, but they’d already had 2 years grace, and they spent that hating the victim.

Speedbox
October 18, 2022 8:48 pm

The raw cost of each scooter is likely recovered within 2-3 days.

oops. No, the raw cost of the scooter is likely recovered in a day being, say, 12 trips per day @ $15 income/trip = $180. Thereafter are repairs, recovery cost, licence fee, admin etc.

areff
areff
October 18, 2022 8:49 pm

Just breaking in a new laptop. Forgive the this test and intrusion into the weighty matters under always-civil discussion

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says: October 18, 2022 at 8:21 pm
Quite a common sight in Malaysia – the women following behind in said hideous black burka’s, their lords and masters striding ahead, just in singlets and boardies

Zulu, these would be tourists, almost certainly Saudis.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2022 8:55 pm

Zulu, these would be tourists, almost certainly Saudis.

It was explained that, yes, they were Saudi’s – they like to holiday in a Muslim country, so they visit Malaysia.

Last time we were there, we were dining out one night, and the couple on the next table demanded to be moved, because we had wine on the table.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 18, 2022 8:56 pm

What happens when they emerge from the water after? Doesn’t the wet fabric…cling. Doesn’t it reveal shape?

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 18, 2022 8:58 pm

BJ:
The famous dress [that she put in a plastic bag under her bed for 6? months] that she didn’t wear again, until she did, that received a token wash before being thrown away, that re-appeared some 17 months after being thrown away, for forensic investigation, which found nothing? That famous dress?

That story has too many similarities to Monica Lewinsky’s dress story – apart from the lack of real evidence on it.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

It was explained that, yes, they were Saudi’s – they like to holiday in a Muslim country, so they visit Malaysia.

Heh, this is in large part due to them having a much harder time getting into the states since 9-11

Not all of ’em remain clad in their household drapes. Quite plenty will dress in jeans, lay around the pool in bikini, etc.

Shopping centres sometimes have bench seats facing a curved wall, so the bedraped ones may roll up their face covering & eat, without stray blokes seeing their face.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 9:02 pm

What was Lewinsky’s dress story?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 9:06 pm

That story has too many similarities to Monica Lewinsky’s dress story – apart from the lack of real evidence on it.
Higgins had the dress drycleaned, probably several times.
Someone else suggested the story, probably counting on Higgins [b. 1996]
never having heard of Monica Lewinsky.
It came back to bite her, but she fessed up rather than double down on stupid.
I’d say the Jurors didn’t think it was discrediting.

Christine
Christine
October 18, 2022 9:07 pm

The ‘believability’ of the accuser
“I’m not a monster”
But that particular description wasn’t levelled
Perhaps a conscience letting slip that such a fabrication is monstrous

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 18, 2022 9:09 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
October 18, 2022 at 7:51 pm

Cassie, some years ago my mum and I were visiting a coastal beachey suburb in Sydney – a place where my mother’s family came from. We went down to the small park right on the water and not far from where she grew up. There were a number of people already in the park who belonged to two ethnically different groups – Chinese and Islanders. Both groups had cordoned off their areas with roped boundaries.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 18, 2022 9:09 pm

I’d say the Jurors didn’t think it was discrediting.

That’s because you’re an idiot.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 18, 2022 9:10 pm

Always follow the money Bruce!

Wow, Speedy, those fees are staggering. I had no idea. No wonder the ones here don’t get used much. Who would pay a buck a minute with $2.50 flag fall to ride an e-bike? Get a taxi!

The only time I’ve ever seen one actually being ridden was a kid coming home from school. I doubt she understood what she was paying…or perhaps her parents were paying.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 9:15 pm

For no reason at all:
Honey Hush- Big Joe Turner ATLANTIC 45-1001 [YouTube]

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 18, 2022 9:16 pm

And thanks, Speedy, for the effort to write that all up. Fascinating. For me it’s a window into another world since I’ve no interest in e-bikes, scooters or skateboards. Have done skates and of course bicycle, but that’s fun exercise, which is different.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 18, 2022 9:16 pm

My tip for our Britnah……..

Whybrow KC will excoriate her tomorrow in final closing so”reasonable doubt” won’t be an issue.

Except for the doubt of the wyminnes ‘er honour and a loaded ACT wyminnes jury.

If a travesty occurs it will will be a HC 7Nilligan all over again.

But, ‘Er Honour may have an eye on this and instruct the jury accordingly.

Not Guilty.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 18, 2022 9:17 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 18, 2022 at 9:02 pm
What was Lewinsky’s dress story?

There is something that Richard Cranium doesn’t know? ROFLMAO.

Google it.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 9:19 pm

But that particular description wasn’t levelled
Perhaps a conscience letting slip that such a fabrication is monstrous

Look out, Sigmund Freud has joined the fray.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 18, 2022 9:21 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 18, 2022 at 9:06 pm
That story has too many similarities to Monica Lewinsky’s dress story – apart from the lack of real evidence on it.
Higgins had the dress drycleaned, probably several times.

She claimed that she gave it a “symbolic” wash and threw it away after six months in a plastic bag under the bed (except that she had worn it out after two months). Then around 17 months after she supposedly threw it out, it mysteriously re-appeared for forensic examination.

The details are relevant only to the extent that she is revealed to be a practised liar.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2022 9:21 pm

Not Guilty.

I wish I shared your confidence.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 18, 2022 9:25 pm

Brittany’s witness statement didn’t go around in decreasing circles by any chance?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 18, 2022 9:26 pm

Iranian drones are dropping in on Ukrainian civilians.
The US is pushing ahead with the time table to reintegrate Iran into the global economy.
Iran knows they can do whatever the fuck they want.
This is pure insanity.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 9:26 pm

My tip for our Britnah……..

Whybrow KC will excoriate her tomorrow in final closing so”reasonable doubt” won’t be an issue.
He won’t be doing that, he’s already trawled through her rubbish bins, and the best he’s got is Higgins went to a Knees Up for Ciobo rather than attend a psychologist appointment.
A whole lotta nothingburgers won’t make a Beef Wellington, which is what he needs.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 18, 2022 9:27 pm

PS if you’re going to use the bathroom on the old thread, can you light a match?

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 18, 2022 9:27 pm

Scott Morrison has unveiled his new gig as a “global thought leader” as the former PM prepares to rake in the cash following May’s election defeat.

Scott Morrison has signed with a talent agency that charges organisations up to $100,000 for speaking engagements with “global thought leaders”.

The former Prime Minister has joined US-based Worldwide Speakers Group (WWSG) to exclusively facilitate his global speaking engagements, the company announced on Friday.

The former PM’s bio on the WWSG website describes him as “the true definition of a leader with a 360-degree worldview”.

“During his tenure, Morrison was tasked with several difficulties that required unique and innovative solutions,” it reads.

“From managing the public safety of Australians during the pandemic to mitigating an economic crisis, controlling natural disasters, and leading the country while others were at war — Prime Minister Morrison led Australia with his particular brand of calm decisiveness and rationale. A globalisation mastermind, Morrison lends his boundless influence and experience to audiences around the world.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/scott-morrison-joins-global-speaking-group-for-postprime-ministership-engagements/news-story/de7856695b6ed47ce0c8b7ecae703aff

Scott Morrison as “global thought leader”…

Not only does that really f…en p1ss me off, it reminds me of Sheldon Cooper’s opinion of Apple’s geniuses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMry6QT4XY8

Razey
Razey
October 18, 2022 9:29 pm

I don’t even know why they bother with court cases. The scamdemic proved that we don’t have any human rights, so why bother with this embarrassing charade?

Cassie of Sydney
October 18, 2022 9:29 pm

Tonight on Sky Rowan Dean has said it best. Whilst we look aghast at those two climate vandals in London who threw soup at Van Gogh’s masterpiece, it isn’t these young fanatics throwing soup at pictures, vandalising supermarkets by pouring milk around or locking themselves to steering wheels who are the real vandals here. Nope, they’re just the rank amateurs. Rather, as Rowan Dean has said tonight, the real vandals are…

1. Those who were in positions of authority and governance, who could have counteracted this madness by insisting that the world is not about to end because of fossil fuels but instead they chose to play along with the climate fantasy.

2. The same people who could have demanded teachers stop terrorising young minds with climate cult activism but instead they couldn’t be bothered fighting the climate and culture wars.

3. The same people who could have stripped funding from the ABC but instead they chose not to do anything and in fact they increased funding.

4. The same people who could have stopped funding universities who groom young kids into the climate cult but instead they chose not to do anything.

5. The same people who could and should have explained to farmers, tradies, small businesses, mums and dads, and all large corporations that all emissions reductions come at a hefty price and you will pay through the nose but they chose not to and instead chose to stoke the panic around fossil fuels, to pander to the neo Marxists even though many of them will tell you in private that it’s all a load of nonsense.

6. The same people who’ve allowed greedy renewable investors and international hedge fund managers to dictate the policies of this nation despite getting a clear mandate from the people….they are the real vandals.

7. The simple reality is that there is no difference between passionately believing in climate and pretending to believe in climate change or even simply pandering to the belief in climate change.

8. You desecrate the truth, you vandalise the future.

Superb Rowan, thank you.

Remind you of anyone or a particular party?

A party full of such people lost power on 21 May 2022.

Cassie of Sydney
October 18, 2022 9:34 pm

Rowan Dean is excoriating the Liberals and Beetroot. He just summed up Beetroot very well, saying his sell out last year over net zero emission was because Beetroot preferred to be inside the tent betraying core principles rather than being outside the tent sticking up for core principles.

Nice….very nice.

duncanm
duncanm
October 18, 2022 9:35 pm

H B Bearsays:
October 18, 2022 at 9:25 pm
Brittany’s witness statement didn’t go around in decreasing circles by any chance?

If it had, Lehrmann would have been completely destroyed.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 18, 2022 9:36 pm

Here’s the words to Honey Hush, just in case anyone could figure out what Big Joe was sayin’:

[Intro]
Let ’em roll like a big wheel
In a Georgia cotton field, honey hush

[Verse 1]
Come in this house, stop all that yackety yack
I said come in this house, stop all that yackety yack
Yeah you fix my supper, don’t want no talkin’ back

[Verse 2]
Well, you keep a-jabberin’, you talk about this and that
You keep a-jabberin’, you talk about this and that
I got news for you, baby, you ain’t nothin’ but an alley cat
[Verse 3]
Turn off the waterworks, baby, that don’t move me no more
Turn off the waterworks, baby, that don’t move me no more
When I leave this time, I ain’t comin’ back no more, honey hush

[Saxophone solos]

[Verse 4]
I said come in this house, stop all that yackety yack
Come in here woman, stop all that yackety yack
Don’t make me nervous ’cause I’m holdin’ a baseball bat, honey hush

[Verse 3]
Turn off the waterworks, baby, that don’t move me no more
Turn off the waterworks, baby, that don’t move me no more
When I leave this time, I ain’t comin’ back no more, honey hush

[Outro]
Singin’ hi-yo, hi-yo Silver (Hi-yo, hi-yo Silver)
Yeah hi-yo, hi-yo Silver (Hi-yo, hi-yo Silver)
Yeah hi-yo, hi-yo Silver (Hi-yo, hi-yo Silver)

Yeah hi-yo, hi-yo Silver (Hi-yo, hi-yo Silver)
Yeah hi-yo, hi-yo Silver (Hi-yo, hi-yo Silver)
Yeah hi-yo, hi-yo Silver away

Zipster
Zipster
October 18, 2022 9:39 pm

Protester Pulled Into UK Chinese Consulate, Beaten; Beijing Won’t Renounce Use of Force on Taiwan
China in Focus – NTD

00:56 Protester Pulled into UK Chinese Consulate, Beaten
04:08 Beijing Won’t Renounce Use of Force on Taiwan: Xi
06:15 China Kicks Off 20th Communist Party Congress
08:03 NY Fines Shein’s Owner $1.9M Over Data Breach
09:31 Texas Teachers Pension to Cut China Stock Allocation
10:02 ‘Russia Is the Storm, China Is Climate Change’: German Spy Chief
10:58 Germany: Decoupling from China ‘The Wrong Answer’
11:57 Chinese Citizens Asked to Wear Masks While Eating
13:23 U.S. Weakness Causes Opponents to Rise: Expert

Speedbox
October 18, 2022 9:47 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
October 18, 2022 at 9:10 pm

I can’t speak for other places but in Brisbane CBD, they are everywhere. Seriously. People ride scooters, in particular, a lot. e-bikes are far less popular and rarely seen. I didn’t know the costs until I downloaded the app and hired a scooter and yes, expensive, but also efficient especially if you just want to go a few city blocks. And people will pay $10-15 for the convenience and not having to walk (also taking just a few minutes to ride).

Scooters, especially, are very profitable. The sub-contractor I knew told me that Beam don’t even pay for the electricity to re-charge …..the subcontractor picks up the scooter and re-charges at their home, or wherever, but it’s not usually Beam’s premises – that privilege is reserved for the principal subcontractor and selected others. The scooters just have to be delivered to the nominated deposit location by about 6am.

As a postscript – several years ago I used to import replacement front bicycle wheels that had an electric hub built into them. Easy conversion – remove original wheel, fit replacement wheel, connect battery pack (batteries secured to carrier over rear wheel), replace right hand handle grip with twist throttle, attach controller anywhere on frame.

Any bike would reach 30-35km/h without pedalling but bloody dangerous ‘cos no adjustment to standard suspension or brakes. Sold hundreds of kits. Landed cost ex China about $35 each.

By happy coincidence I was also importing mountain bikes by the container load. 18 speed Shimano, all alloy frame, disc brakes front/rear, reasonable long travel front shockers and excellent paint job……$105 landed cost.

(I didn’t buy many but those little pink girls bikes with the 12″ wheels but $20-25 landed. Big W would buy them by the hundreds – imagine what price they would be paying!)

Make no mistake – the retail margin in bikes/scooters is very worthwhile if you can find a good manufacturer with a reasonable product.

Rafiki
Rafiki
October 18, 2022 9:49 pm

H B Bear
In this instance, the risk of the jury ignoring (or just not understanding) the CJ’s warning is not down to the court system, but to Lehrmann’s decision not to give evidence and face cross-examination.
As I suspect you know, the common sense reasoning I outlined in my first post is available in civil cases. In other common law jurisdictions – England for example – it is also available in criminal cases. Here too, think it should.
And there is a question of whether we should abandon the jury system. Apart from the knowledge that they often behave irrationally, they don’t work well in ‘multi-cultural’ societies.

2dogs
2dogs
October 18, 2022 10:00 pm

It looks like the Russian strategy is to take down Ukraine’s entire power grid.

No doubt the intention is for Ukraine to have no power over the course of the winter.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 18, 2022 10:03 pm

$105 landed cost.

Numbers like that blow my mind. The raw metal price alone would be twenty bucks, LME aluminium etc. Yet they can produce a finished delivered mountain bike for that amount of money.

One reason why the US prevailed in WW2 was their sheer ability to make stuff quickly and cheaply. Looks like the Chinese have taken that lesson on board, in spades. That’s not going to be good.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 18, 2022 10:07 pm

Thoughts and prayers with Echuca residents as they battle a one in a 200,000 year flood event bomb.

The last time this happened the custodians of the land, who had arrived the week before, pushed aside the waters with their fleet of hovercraft and then recorded this spectacular achievement by drawing on a rock.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 18, 2022 10:28 pm

you’re a funny bastard KD

Speedbox
October 18, 2022 10:30 pm

BoN – I had a quick look at wholesale prices and they haven’t really gone up very much. Same bike now would be around $AU130 plus import duty, shipping, insurance and other assorted fees. Landed probably about $AU170-175 per unit. Good looking bikes (now 21 speed Shimano!) that would sell for $350-375 on Ebay. If I remember correctly ~400 adult size bikes per 40′ shipping container.

e-Scooter prices around $US150 ex factory.

And again, if you are Beam and ordering hundreds or thousands, the prices will be trimmed. The Chinese love to do a deal on price/volume.

rosie
rosie
October 18, 2022 10:33 pm

Are you suggesting the bike shortage during covid lockdowns is now over?

Speedbox
October 18, 2022 10:42 pm

Yes rosie. You can pedal away to your heart’s content.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 18, 2022 10:42 pm

I see this was spoken of earlier today, but:

The Bureau of Meteorology issued a bizarre request to the Australian media on Tuesday morning and declared it no longer wants to be called the BoM.

The move, which caused a storm on social media, was seemingly prompted by the flood crisis devastating the country’s southeast.

Hmm. This bit:

which caused a storm on social media

Might be the best journalism this country has produced in twenty years. Anyway, names in the hat are said to include:

Department of Apocalypse
Bureau of Revision
Climate McClimateface

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 18, 2022 10:43 pm

Are you suggesting the bike shortage during covid lockdowns is now over?

I wish. I ordered a flat bar road bike from a big bike shop in February this year. Supposed to be ready in May. Now pushed out until March 2023.

MatrixTransform
October 18, 2022 10:45 pm

No doubt the intention is for Ukraine to have no power over the course of the winter

there will be a frozen gap between Russia and Europe that won’t thaw for a decade

I thought was obvious in Feb

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 18, 2022 10:57 pm

The Elite’s Hypocrisy on Russia

Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Western elite have moralized about doing the right thing in the conflict. They have posted videos of themselves speaking with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, released statements glorifying Zelenskyy, and demonized any skepticism. Crises like these bring out strong emotions, and leaders using their charisma to inspire efforts is necessary in any war. But crises like these should also bring reflection of how the world got to this point and what its leaders can do to avoid it in the future. The global elite’s inability to discuss their role in enabling Vladimir Putin shows they are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

About a year after Putin’s formal election, new U.S. President George W Bush met with Putin and famously said, “I looked the man in the eye. I found him very straightforward and trustworthy – I was able to get a sense of his soul.”

Two decades later, Bush, who has largely avoided political discussion on any of the contentious issues he championed as president, released a self-serving statement about how he met with Zelenskyy and called him the “Winston Churchill of our time.” If that is true, does Bush’s earlier Putin comments make himself the Neville Chamberlain of our time?

In 2012, Obama mocked Romney for considering Russia a major threat. Obama also told Russian President Dmitry Medvedev he could deal better with Russia once he won re-election. There was no reason for Putin to take Obama seriously after these statements, and Putin did not. After Obama won re-election, Putin annexed Crimea and Obama failed to galvanize an international response. So much for being the leader of the free world.

Biden and his staff helped shape this policy in Obama’s administration, so they of course continued it when Biden took office. After Russian hackers attacked U.S. gas pipelines, Biden told Putin what places he would like Russia not to attack. Biden was really giving Bush a run for his money for this century’s Chamberlain. Biden also lifted sanctions on Russia’s Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in a bid to appeal to European allies.

Various European leaders and diplomats laughed at Trump when he urged Europe to do more to defend themselves and not be reliant on Russia for energy. And yet, Germany has no plan to wean itself off Russian oil. Politico recently ran a piece titled, “When will Europe learn to defend itself?”

With Russia, there is no going back in time; the world must accept these past mistakes. But Russia is not going to be the last threat the world deals with. In every region, there are emerging threats. Based on the track record of the “leaders” and their staffs described in this article, history is likely to repeat itself.

Todd Carney is a lawyer and frequent contributor to RealClearPolitics. He earned his juris doctorate from Harvard Law School.

Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2022 11:06 pm

THIS is how they want to run your life.

How to Calculate Your Individual ESG Score

Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2022 11:13 pm

White House Covid czar calls on seniors to get omicron booster now — It ‘literally could save your life’

I played Bridge with a lady today who is consoling a friend whose husband recently dropped dead with no warning at age 65. Her previous partner had similarly died with no warning a couple of months ago. She confirmed that they had both had the shot. She herself has had 2 and said she would never have another. After the first one she felt as if her head would explode and after the second she had a severe nose bleed with blood clots appearing. She believes that she would have died if they had not been expelled.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 18, 2022 11:14 pm

BoM = Climate McClimateface.

Hahaha – darts KD

Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2022 11:14 pm
Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2022 11:15 pm

White House ‘plans to release another 15 MILLION barrels of oil’ from the US’s emergency stockpile this week in a bid to balance markets and crack down on rocketing gas prices

Sources close to the White House said Biden is hoping the release of oil reserves will be able to drop national prices just in time for the midterms

Of course.

MatrixTransform
October 18, 2022 11:20 pm

How to Calculate Your Individual ESG Score

yeah well, we cut the energy costs for a certain building in half
and that is approximately $500k per year.

cant be bothered working in back to energy and GHG emissions
but lets just say
it’s shit-loads

anyways, after they finish the refurbing the amenities on L10 which include new pools, spas, saunas, gymnasiums etc at an estimated cost about $2M

it means I’m essentially in ESG credit for a bloody long time

if CO2 bubbles become currency, I’ll shout youse all a ski-trip in Japan

Zipster
Zipster
October 18, 2022 11:26 pm

utter, utter fuckwits

Buying a gun, alcohol, or even clothing will all affect your overall ESG score. Not only will your purchases matter, but who you purchase from and how they do business.

Your political affiliations also factor into your personal ESG score. Aside from the politics in governance, the party you support and even the person you vote for will make your score go up or down based on that person’s actions, policies, and voting habits.

The type of car you drive, how often, and even how many people are in the car when you drive will also come into play when deciding your score.

Jorge
Jorge
October 18, 2022 11:30 pm

Because its E. M. Forster’s second best novel.

Paul Scott’s The Raj Quartet also has the alleged rape of a young English woman in India as one of its main threads. Really great novels.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2022 12:03 am

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Penny Wong says the Morrison government’s shift on West Jerusalem ‘was a cynical play, unsuccessful, to win the seat of Wentworth in a by-election’. Picture: AFP
Penny Wong says the Morrison government’s shift on West Jerusalem ‘was a cynical play, unsuccessful, to win the seat of Wentworth in a by-election’. Picture: AFP

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The Albanese government has ­ignited a diplomatic furore with Israel over a snap cabinet decision to abandon the policy of recognising West Jerusalem as the country’s capital, after a bungle by the Department of Foreign Affairs threw Australia’s official position into doubt.

The Australian has confirmed the Israeli embassy in Canberra was blindsided by the move, prompting an angry response from Prime Minister Yair Lapid and calling into question Australia’s treatment of a close ally.

It also sparked condemnation from Australia’s Jewish community amid accusations that the rushed announcement – made without consultation and coming on an official Jewish religious holiday – had damaged Australia’s foreign policy credibility.

Mr Lapid attacked the Albanese government’s “hasty response”. “In light of the way this decision was made in Australia, as a hasty response to an incorrect report in the media, we can only hope that the Australian government manages other matters more seriously and professionally,” the Prime Minister said.

“Jerusalem is the eternal and united capital of Israel and nothing will ever change that.”

The decision caused ructions within the Labor caucus, with Victorian Labor MP Josh Burns lashing out against the move.

“I am disappointed by this decision,” Mr Burns told The Australian. “Israel has designated its capital as Jerusalem. It’s where its government buildings are and where its parliament sits. Capital cities are sovereign decisions for countries.”

Australian officials were on Tuesday scrambling to repair the damage inflicted by the diplomatic bungle.

The Australian understands cabinet was rushed into formalising Labor’s position to reverse the recognition of West Jerusalem after DFAT effectively ­announced the new position by quietly deleting sentences on its website relating to the previous Coalition government’s policy.

Scott Morrison formally recognised West Jerusalem in December 2018 in line with the US decision to relocate its embassy to West Jerusalem.

However, Australia pulled back from relocating its embassy from Tel Aviv in light of a backlash from Indonesia.

Labor made clear at the time it did not support the recognition of West Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state. But prior to the May 2022 election, Labor’s legal affairs spokesman Mark Dreyfus publicly stated there was no difference between the Coalition’s and Labor’s policy positions on Israel.

Government sources said the issue was forced onto the cabinet agenda on Tuesday after DFAT’s error had become public. Israeli officials were left in the dark, with Foreign Minister Penny Wong assuring Jewish leaders in Australia that no final decision or position had been formalised.

But Senator Wong on Tuesday was defiant in defending the reversal. She said Mr Morrison’s recognition of West Jerusalem was politically motivated in a bid to win the eastern Sydney seat of Wentworth, which has a large number of Jewish constituents.

“This was a cynical play, unsuccessful, to win the seat of Wentworth in a by?election,” Senator Wong said. “And what the people saw was the prime minister of the day trying to play foreign policy in order to win votes in a seat.

“For that reason, I made clear at the time we affirmed our view that Jerusalem is a final status issue. What do those words mean? It means that it has to be resolved through negotiation between the parties.”

Senator Wong said DFAT’s website had been updated “ahead of government processes”.

Former Liberal Wentworth MP Dave Sharma said Labor’s “abrupt” reversal in policy would damage Australia’s relationship with Israel. Mr Sharma, who had served as Australia’s ambassador to Israel, said the decision would “provide a tailwind to extremists and states such as Iran who insist that Israel has no rightful place in the region”.

Opposition foreign affairs spokesman Simon Birmingham described the process as a “shambolic process, contemptuous of many stakeholders, all to make a completely unnecessary decision with shocking timing”.

“Astonishingly, the government was clumsy enough to ­announce this on a Jewish holy day (Shemini Atzeret) and foolish enough to do so in the heated ­environment of an Israeli election campaign,” Senator Birmingham said.

Opposition legal affairs spokesman Julian Leeser said West Jerusalem had been part of the state of Israel since its establishment in 1948.

“The Knesset is there, the President lives there, the Supreme Court is there,” Mr Leeser said. “It looks like any other capital city to me. The question is why can’t Labor see that too.”

An Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman welcomed the decision, arguing the policy would support peaceful resolution towards a two-state solution. “Indonesia welcomes the decision by Australia under PM Albanese to reverse the recognition of West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,” he said. “This policy would hopefully contribute positively to Palestinian-­Israeli peace negotiations.”

The Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council said the decision undermined the government’s own policy.

“This decision by the government is not only deeply disappointing, but appears a pointless own goal, undermining the government’s self-declared policy of seeking to encourage a negotiated two-state Israeli-Palestinian peace,” said AIJAC executive director, Colin Rubenstein.

“The reversal also risks denting Australia’s credibility with some of our closest allies.

“In 2018, the Morrison government recognised West Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, whilst acknowledging that the Palestinians seek a state with their capital in East Jerusalem.

“This decision is likely to further encourage the rejectionist tendencies of the Palestinian Authority which has spent the past 20 years rebuffing Israeli peace offers, and has refused to restart the peace talks it abandoned in 2014.”

Former Labor MP Michael Danby attacked the decision ­describing it as “chaotic”.

Mr Danby, who was a prominent Jewish parliamentarian, said the timing could “only hurt Israel’s left-of-centre government” which faces an election in two weeks.

“Clearly these decisions have embarrassed the Israeli government on the eve of their election and are out of step with the zeitgeist of peace and co-operation of the Abraham Accords,” he said.

Mr Danby said the decision followed Senator Wong’s announcement to double aid to the Palestinian refugee agency UNWRA to $20m.

Former Labor foreign minister Bob Carr took a different view, backing the government’s decision as an “obvious” and “low-key diplomatic tidying up”.

“It’s the obvious thing to do, it’s so expected,” Mr Carr said. “It was as silly of Scott Morrison to shift recognition to Jerusalem as it was to get himself sworn into a raft of other portfolios. Israel didn’t deserve this level of consideration because it keeps spreading settlements, practising apartheid and refusing to negotiate a two-state solution.”

The Palestinians have rejected all offers of a Two State since the late 1930’s….

Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2022 12:09 am

A suicide bomber died and went to Paradise, as foretold. When he arrived there, he said to Allah that he was ready to claim his 72 virgins, as promised. Out of curiosity he asked Allah why there were so many virgins in heaven. Allah regarded him for a moment, then replied “Actually, the 72 virgins are here in heaven because people like you murdered them before they could experience the pleasure of sex. So you’re here to service them. Since they’re virgins, they’re quite sexually ravenous and, frankly, you’ll be on constant, exhausting duty. I shall banish you from Paradise should you fail!” The bomber responded “Well, I guess I can live with that. How hard can it be to keep 72 women satisfied for all eternity?” Allah replied “Who said they were women?”

Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2022 12:10 am

It does not matter how slowly you go as long as you do not stop.

– Confucius

Speedbox
October 19, 2022 12:11 am

23:10 here in Brisbane and 16:10 in Moscow. Mrs Speedbox and Miss Speedbox have just landed at Domodedovo airport in Moscow.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2022 12:19 am

Interesting comment, reference the Higgins rope trial – the defence called no witnesses.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 19, 2022 1:05 am

According to Daily Mail the issue for Netball Australia and Hancock funding relates to something said by Gina’s father 38 years ago ! Seems an Aboriginal player who was not born when he said it is offended.

Seems Gina has done plenty to support Aboriginals since then but words of her father counted against her.

Truly pathetic.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2022 1:11 am

Scott Morrison has unveiled his new gig as a “global thought leader” as the former PM prepares to rake in the cash following May’s election defeat.

Scott Morrison has signed with a talent agency that charges organisations up to $100,000 for speaking engagements with “global thought leaders”.

Who would pay to hear Scumo speak?

Absolutely fucking no one.

This is the fucking laundering operation for Scumo’s payments for being an obedient globalist.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 2:16 am

Get a fucking load of this abortion .

Australia’s “disability safety net” has blown out by $8.8bn and needs a reset to remain sustainable for future generations of people with disability, NDIS Minister Bill Shorten says.

Mr Shorten has brought forward by a year a planned review of the National Disability Insurance Scheme, saying the scheme, now forecast to cost taxpayers $50bn a year by 2025-26, needs “to be better than it is”.

and by 2030?

But he didn’t accept the NDIS’s own financial sustainability report, which forecast costs to reach almost $60bn by 2030.

We’re fucked.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 2:18 am

and

The NDIS currently provides support to 530,000 people with a permanent disability, ranging from physical to neurological and psychosocial.

The NDIS projects there could be more than 850,000 participants by 2030.

That’s 3% of the population.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/88bn-blowout-in-ndis-budget/news-story/103da99c3bd7bc3b1b6a997e0e47d9fd

Winston Smith
October 19, 2022 2:26 am

Lotocoti:

Felton is a fantasist of the first order.

Can you enlarge on that claim please Lotocoti?

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2022 2:48 am

That’s 3% of the population.

Why work when you can be disabled?

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 2:59 am

50 bill a year is 1 bill a week (close enough)

That’s 200 million each working day the taxpayer has to fund. We wake in the morning and owe NDIS $200 million.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2022 3:17 am

DuncanM:

“satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt Ms Higgins didn’t make up the allegation”

Lovely bit of deflection there.
As you say, the issue is “Did a rape take place?”
Not “Did Higgins lie about the rape.”
It seems to be something that is becoming quite common in the adversarial society we are living in – a subtle reframing of the facts of a matter that distorts and muddies the waters under the guise of clarifying the issues.

rickw
rickw
October 19, 2022 3:33 am
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 19, 2022 3:51 am

Old Bloke and Old Ozzie, sorry for mixing you up. Can’t possibly think of why that happened.

And thanks Old Bloke for bringing my attention to anything Arthurian you find that seems new. Sadly, I couldn’t check out your video link because the internet here sailing down the Mexican coast has serious conniptions if you try to use internet video. I will have a look later sometime. As I’ve said, the source of their information is likely to be speculative as written records for this period are almost non-existent or at best dubious. The main point is the name has been used and stuck and there are more than a few instances of this for the early Dark Age period. Geoffrey of Monmouth was by no means the first user of this name as it litters much of Welsh folklore in The Mabinogion, which although collected late does seem in its language and names to have an earlier provenance than Geoffrey. It’s from these tales that Geoffrey collected and elaborated and invented much of his data.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 19, 2022 3:56 am

Well said, Winston, at 3.17, and Calli earlier above.

Language ‘seeding’ a rape which never existed is definitely an attempt to confuse the jury.

Winston Smith
October 19, 2022 3:59 am

Crossie:

It seems everyone is except for those with financial interests and those that would do anything not to have to admit they were wrong. The bad part is that the power hungry idiots have the upper hand. I don’t know how we shake them off.

You can’t shake them off, Crossie.
They’re like a tick infestation – pull them out and the head detaches, leaving a toxic sore that rapidly becomes septic.
All you can do is prepare for the disaster that will come.

Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:13 am
Dot
Dot
October 19, 2022 4:14 am

You can’t shake them off, Crossie.
They’re like a tick infestation – pull them out and the head detaches, leaving a toxic sore that rapidly becomes septic.
All you can do is prepare for the disaster that will come.

Yeah.

Statists are parasites. You can’t win in a late stage democracy. Follow Epictetus.

The masses are incurably deluded. The elites are incurably corrupt.

The best you can do is live outside the city in the company of friends and family and enjoy good food and wine.

Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
October 19, 2022 4:16 am
Dot
Dot
October 19, 2022 4:18 am

Glenn Beck never really pissed me off too much until now.

Jason Whitlock is rambling in about how Tom Brady must retire to “fix his family”. He’s talking to some nobody in an orange prison outfit.

My advice:

1. Shut the fuck up.
2. All that matters is that Mrs Brady wants to no longer be married for a frivolous reason.
3. Conservatives, not women worshipping cucks, value the sanctity of marriage.

Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2022 4:22 am

A pastor who loves to golf has three golfing buddies who don’t go to church constantly telling him how good the golf is on Sunday mornings. “The course is almost deserted” they tell him “and, the weather is always nice”. Finally, the pastor gives in and on Saturday evening calls the Associate Pastor and in a hoarse voice says “I’m really sick, can you preach tomorrow?” The Associate says “Certainly Pastor, take it easy and get well”. The next morning the Pastor is on the links with his friends, bright and early. He steps up to the first tee, a par 4 450-yard straight fairway. He hits the ball with a monster shot, which then hits a cart path taking a monster bounce, then hits an irrigation pipe bouncing once again right up onto the green and into the hole. Meanwhile, in heaven, Saint Peter looks at God and says “I don’t understand”. To which God grins slightly and asks “Who is he going to tell?”

Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2022 4:25 am

Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else.

– Margaret Mead

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 19, 2022 4:25 am

Costs have blown out due to the ramped up costs of requiring individuals to spend their allocated money on NDIS Approved providers.

Two things should happen to immediately nip this program back to reasonable size.

Firstly some limits on funded services need to be made. This will involve immediate cuts. Provision of services for those people not classed as extremely disabled (ie. requiring much carer assistance) should be limited to immediate physical care needs not psycho-social services. The full gamut of services should only be for the totally and permanently disabled. Currently quite well and quite well-off people are getting free government services for purely private living expenses.

Secondly, funds allocated could be spent more efficiently if individuals could freely use their allocated funds to buy the services they desire from any provider offering them rather than ‘accredited’ providers, who may charge much more. The accreditation process seems to require a company structure with much paperwork and removes individual carers (who would often offer much for free or at least at a cheaper rate) from the picture. It could even bring in more kinship carers. The accreditation is supposed to ensure quality of service and stop rorting but it does not. Let people be their own judge of quality and of how their funding is best spent.

My experience of the NSID is with two grandchildren who get some limited funding for Autism Spectrum Disorder. The funding is valuable in providing early intervention speech and other targeted therapies, but it is not interchangeable, so if more speech therapy would be useful and the occupational therapy seems to be less so, the frayed parents cannot shift the overall amount they are granted into more speech therapy. The parents are the ones who really know the child’s needs, so why not let them make the decisions?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 19, 2022 4:34 am

I wonder when Israel is going to inform Canberra that they have decided the Capital of Australia is to be in Sydney. Fair’s fair in the change about, isn’t it?

Winston Smith
October 19, 2022 4:35 am

rosie:

Irrelevant to the claim that the French would give the murderers and rapists of a twelve year old girl ‘a slap on the risk’ because they were Algerian and she was white.

Where have you been the last twenty years, rosie?
Asleep or in a coma?

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2022 4:37 am

I wonder when Israel is going to inform Canberra that they have decided the Capital of Australia is to be in Sydney. Fair’s fair in the change about, isn’t it?

LOL

No one cares where Canberra or Sydney is.

Not even CCP strategic missile targeting.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2022 5:05 am

Penny Wong & Labor are pandering to the vocal anti semites in their base.
And throw in a dash of fuck Trump too.
It’s all so they can giggle over a glass or ten of sauv blanc at their next dinner party.
Or so they can raise it on their next taxpayer funded trip overseas when they are applying for their jobs post politics.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2022 5:14 am

Someone posted ScoMo’s career move here yesterday.
Because of the US subs deal, ScoMo never has to worry about money again even if a US sub is not delivered in his life time.
He’ll give a few speeches a year an get paid half a brick in passive income.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2022 5:27 am

Congrats to Phillip Morris for donating 500,000 packs of cigarettes to the Ukrainian military.
Unlike Raytheon, US taxpayers aren’t footing the bill for their product.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2022 5:40 am

David Frum proposes the US government nationalises Starlink.
The Cathedral fears Elon.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 19, 2022 5:57 am

Looks like the Netball women and the Cricket men have both caught the CELEB-22 virus.
It makes them feel powerful but robs the brain of whatever common sense it had.

Mater
October 19, 2022 6:19 am

David Frum proposes the US government nationalises Starlink.

That’d be a shame. It currently works, and provides decent value for money.

Mater
October 19, 2022 6:36 am

And there is a question of whether we should abandon the jury system. Apart from the knowledge that they often behave irrationally, they don’t work well in ‘multi-cultural’ societies.

And that is a harsh and sad truth.
I’d throw in factors such as a corrupted education system, too.

I was speaking to women yesterday about the case, one who I believe/d to be smart, sensible and conservative. She claimed to be following the case closely. Her first statement was that since they both agree that intercourse occurred, it all comes down to consent.

WTF!
When I told her that he denies intercourse ever occurred, she got frazzled and just cut to the chase by saying:

“She was hot, he was not, of course he had sex with her after getting her drunk. He’s a creepy looking guy, that’s what they do.”

That is the typical jury you are faced with, if someone points a bone at you.

I live in fear of being falsely accused. I hope I’m not considered ‘creepy looking’ or ugly. Seems like a heavy burden in our justice system.

Dot
Dot
October 19, 2022 6:40 am

“She was hot, he was not, of course he had sex with her after getting her drunk. He’s a creepy looking guy, that’s what they do.”

Let’s follow these absurd premises logically.

So women rape men with their hotness? Think of all of the rapes Lauren Bacall must have committed.

Also, men cannot have standards – and culpability is reversed if the man is below average?

This absurdity encapsulates the stupidity in “modern” “thought”, that women are to be admired but have no accountability.

It is like returning to a Stone Age age of tribal savagery and mother goddess worship.

132andBush
132andBush
October 19, 2022 6:52 am

“She was hot, he was not, of course he had sex with her after getting her drunk. He’s a creepy looking guy, that’s what they do.”

Judging a book by the cover.

This is the thinking that gave us Kevin Rudd and why Trump lost.

sfw
sfw
October 19, 2022 6:53 am

Been thinking about the population increase since 2000, the gov says that no one could enter in 2020 and 2021. In 2000 the pop was 19.15 million, now it’s 25.69 million, so 6.45 million more in 20 years. So that’s around 325,000 per year. Everyone tells me that our birth rate is running at around replacement, so all those extra people must have migrated here.

The Libs have run the country for much of that time. Has anyone here heard that we were importing that many per year? It seems way above official migration figures. No wonder our housing markets and cities are stuffed, and what’s left of Australian culture is rapidly diluted and washed away.

bespoke
bespoke
October 19, 2022 6:54 am

This absurdity encapsulates the stupidity in “modern” “thought”, that women are to be admired but have no accountability.

This!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2022 6:55 am

So that’s around 325,000 per year.

Student migration is has been one of many factors.

2dogs
2dogs
October 19, 2022 6:56 am

I live in fear of being falsely accused. I hope I’m not considered ‘creepy looking’ or ugly. Seems like a heavy burden in our justice system.

It seems that important strategy now is to strongly suggest someone else may have done it. Calling her a liar will lose sympathy with the jury. Suggesting mistake instead will focus the jury more on the actual evidence.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2022 6:57 am

And that is a harsh and sad truth.
I’d throw in factors such as a corrupted education system, too.

Ideally any defendant/respondent should be able to choose either a judge or jury.

duncanm
duncanm
October 19, 2022 6:58 am

sfwsays:
October 19, 2022 at 6:53 am

The Libs have run the country for much of that time. Has anyone here heard that we were importing that many per year?

Do some homework: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/migration-australia

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2022 6:58 am

A thought for the day.

No amount of political appeasing by Wonk, Albasleazy, Burqa and others to buy the votes of adherents of a rather nasty religious ideology that mainly lives in Western Sydney votes will ever alter the following indisputable fact……

Jerusalem has always been and always will be the eternal capital of the Jewish people and the capital of Israel.

The end.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 19, 2022 7:03 am

Haha, Charles has decided to live in a slightly smaller palace because it is ‘more environmentally sustainable’.

‘Not sustainable’: King Charles III refuses to call Buckingham Palace home

Here’s his new pad:

Clarence House (wiki)

It was commissioned by the Duke of Clarence, who in 1830 became King William IV of the United Kingdom (reigned 1830–1837). He lived there in preference to the adjacent St James’s Palace, an antiquated Tudor building which he found too cramped.

Less cramped than St James Palace eh? Maybe he could put a wind turbine on the roof. It’s certainly big enough.

2dogs
2dogs
October 19, 2022 7:03 am

David Frum proposes the US government nationalises Starlink.

Atlas might shrug.

Elon already moved some business from California to Texas. There are alternatives to the US.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2022 7:04 am

In the olden days I thought it would be a good idea for citizens to have to pass a civics test before they could get a licence to vote or be eligible for jury duty.
I now know that would be pure idiocy.
Any regime like that wouldn’t be set up to filter out the morons.
It would be used to filter out the wrong-thinkers.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2022 7:06 am

David Frum should be in jail.
But instead he draws over a mill a year is passive income from various beneficiaries of his policies he was the architect of.

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2022 7:07 am

“The Libs have run the country for much of that time. “

Yep. By the way, last night Rowan Dean excoriated the Liberals and Nationals very well. I copied his words last night in a comment above.

Just remember the difference, in five months Labor hasn’t wasted any time implementing its agendas. In nine and a half years the Liberals tiptoed delicately around, more often than not too scared to do anything. They managed a few things under Abbott, and yes I know he flunked and failed on Section 18C, but then under the false messiah from Point Piper and Billy Bunter from the Shire, they didn’t just flunk and fail, when they weren’t implementing the left’s agendas such as net zero emissions, they did fuck all.

I don’t think those voters such as myself who flocked to minor parties will return to the Liberals any time soon.

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2022 7:12 am

““She was hot, he was not, of course he had sex with her after getting her drunk. He’s a creepy looking guy, that’s what they do.””

Hmm, I think Billy Shorten is a creepy looking guy.

I remember someone saying similar to me during the Pell case, it was along the lines that “he looks like a pedophile, therefore he is a pedophile”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 19, 2022 7:13 am

Harvey Weinstein boned Newsom’s wife.
Ew.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 19, 2022 7:20 am

Harvey Weinstein, why not.
If Britnah is hot, so is Harvey.

Mater
October 19, 2022 7:23 am

I remember someone saying similar to me during the Pell case, it was along the lines that “he looks like a pedophile, therefore he is a pedophile”.

Yeah, I got that one, too…from several acquaintances. Cold, abrasive, unfeeling, emotionless, were all reasons why he was apparently guilty.

You simply can’t afford to be ‘different’ in today’s society. We may value ‘diversity’ nowadays, but it can sure as shit see you put in jail for no good reason, too.

It makes taking the stand a very risky proposition, regardless of innocence or guilty.

calli
calli
October 19, 2022 7:24 am

I live in fear of being falsely accused. I hope I’m not considered ‘creepy looking’ or ugly.

Witness a Saturday night Hen’s and you’ll soon work out which gender is “creepy looking and ugly”.

calli
calli
October 19, 2022 7:26 am

How about Braless Betty yesterday, flopping her newly released boobs about the office and expecting the men there not to look?

Creepy looking and ugly.

Mater
October 19, 2022 7:27 am

If Britnah is hot, so is Harvey.

‘Crazy hot’ was the actual description, but, to be fair, it was moderated with a comment that she isn’t so much anymore. Apparently “she got fat”!

Now that ‘she’s fat’, does it make her more truthful…or less?
A question for the ages!

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2022 7:27 am

The UK Conservatives are heading for an electoral routing similar to what happened to the Liberals in WA.

As Rowan Dean said last night, that’s what happens when you abandon core principles, when you desecrate truth and when you spit in the faces of your base.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 19, 2022 7:28 am

Don’t start dissing those hen’s Calli.
I’ve been pleasantly accosted by a few in the past. When there’s marriage in the air the girls tend to get needy.

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