Open Thread – Tues 8 Nov 2022


Suicide of Saul, Pieter Bruegel, 1562


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Tom
Tom
November 8, 2022 12:54 am

Happy Tuesday, Cats — a rare podium on an important date for American politics.

Rossini
Rossini
November 8, 2022 1:01 am

I hope the republicans do well in the mid terms

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2022 2:41 am

Me too

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2022 3:14 am
rosie
rosie
November 8, 2022 3:20 am
Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2022 3:31 am

Top 10

Tom
Tom
November 8, 2022 4:04 am
Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2022 5:11 am

Was a BlackBerry device used? The Hun:

Daniel Andrews’ office has refused to detail its policy on the use of private email ­addresses after it was revealed his former lawyer used a ­personal account for some work matters.
Steve Palmer, who worked as general counsel to the Premier from 2015 until his resignation last year, used the private Gmail address for some matters, in place of his government-issued email.
Sources close to the Premier’s office said the email was used for work-related purposes not directly connected to the function of executive government. But the move has raised concerns about the potential thwarting of public access to government material under Freedom of Information and archive laws.
The Premier’s office has ­refused to detail its policy on private email address use, or whether other staff use personal email addresses for work.
The Herald Sun understands that Mr Palmer requested former Labor MP Kaushaliya Vaghela email him on his personal ­address documents which may have included key identification material, in ­relation to a bullying complaint she had raised with the Premier’s office.
Victoria’s information commissioner, Sven Bluemmel, said the use of private email raised potential security issues.
“Using a personal email address could introduce substantial risks as the email systems are not under the control of Victorian public sector agency,” Mr Bluemmel said.
Such use could breach the Privacy and Data Protection Act. And searching for documents in response to a FOI ­application may miss those not stored on an agency’s systems, “such as those that are sent or received using a personal email address”. That could potentially undermine transparency and accountability.
A government spokesman said the Premier had never used a private email address for a work purpose. “All ministerial staff are provided with a work email address,” he said.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2022 5:17 am

I’m sure Cassie will have blood boiling. From an article on the Hun website, the teals in Parliament had some nice backing, donation wise to get themselves into office.

Allegra Spender
$1.9m from 661 donors
Climate 200 donated $701,776
Kylea Tink
$1.8m from 945 donors
Climate 200 donated $786,532 or $808,412
Sophie Scamps
$1.6m from 828 total donors
Climate 200 donated $779,624
Monique Ryan
$1.8m donations from 3762 donors
Climate 200 donated $749,347
Simon Holmes a Court donated $20,232
Zoe Daniel
$1.7m from 1999 donors
Climate 200 donated $709,840

There’s more in the article there. Just wow

miltonf
miltonf
November 8, 2022 5:57 am

Proves the spoilt rich airheads are backed by the same forces pushing for the great reset, the loss of national sovereignty and the impoverishment of the middle and working classes. Says a lot too about voters in those electorates (not Cassie).

miltonf
miltonf
November 8, 2022 5:58 am

Black Ball how is the Murray up your way?

Anchor What
Anchor What
November 8, 2022 6:07 am

Like Tom I blundered into the moribund weekend thread, so here is my comment again!
it is a referendum on just one man: Joe Biden.
Garrison illustrated the real situation yesterday.
Biden is president cardboard cutout, while behind him lurk the dark forces that menace America and seek to disintegrate it.
As Schumer said before the last Georgia Senate runoff election (probably scammed as well) “if we win Georgia we will change America”.
They proceeded to do just that, and the midterms will be just the start of a fightback. I’m not all that optimistic that the GOP can turn the tide by strictly normal political, administrative and judicial means.
The Rot is Very Deep.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2022 6:30 am

Lucky 13th!

miltonf
miltonf
November 8, 2022 6:33 am

The Rot is Very Deep.

Yes it’s been quite a revelation, the last six years. I think Howard outing himself as a Trump hater was interesting too. All the white picket fence stuff was just to fool his (now former) supporters.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2022 6:33 am

Allegra Spender
$1.9m from 661 donors

25k from Alex Turnbull.
The biggest question that isn’t being asked is why the billionaire wives of the Eastern suburbs set shunned Malcolm.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2022 6:34 am

The Murray keeps having it’s peak level changed miltonf. Looks like the water isn’t pushing through, lot of stagnant areas.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2022 6:36 am

German taxpayer TV on migrant workers in Qatar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4syhqpFzfM

Looks like the ABC has run dead on it.
In 2021 4 corners was kicked out of Qatar.
With only a couple of Monday’s before it kicks off, there’s no 4 corners story on it.
Sad.

miltonf
miltonf
November 8, 2022 6:39 am

OK noted thanks BB- so you’re doing ok?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2022 6:47 am

One to watch.

Vietnam Gas Stations Start To Close Due To Widespread Shortages (7 Nov)

…since early October, several hundred gas stations in Ho Chi Minh City, the country’s biggest metropolis, and in surrounding cities in southern Vietnam have had to occasionally suspend operations, saying they have nothing to sell.

One reason for this is that distributors have been unable to pass on their rising costs due to what is effectively a government cap on gasoline prices, according to industry sources. Smaller distributors have been hit particularly hard, discouraging them from supplying stations as their profits turn too meager.

Even in the capital of Hanoi, some citizens have rushed to gas stations fearing that the fuel shortage will soon spread north. “Another gas station was closed,” said Nam, a weary-looking commuter refueling his motorcycle. “Here I at least got gas after waiting for 20 minutes.”

It happens over and over: government puts price controls onto fuel, then all the fuel suppliers go bust because they can’t make a profit. Then because there’s unrest over of lack of fuel the government takes away the price controls, prices rise spectacularly then there’re riots over the price of fuel. And the government cracks down, or even collapses.

miltonf
miltonf
November 8, 2022 6:55 am

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s government has signalled it is open to discussing climate “reparations” for the likes of Pakistan, as he prepares tax hikes and public service cuts at home in the name of fiscal responsibility.– another government a war with its own people. Where’s Chilla on this?

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2022 6:56 am

Proves the spoilt rich airheads are backed by the same forces pushing for the great reset, the loss of national sovereignty and the impoverishment of the middle and working classes. Says a lot too about voters in those electorates (not Cassie).”

Not just me, add Bern, Lizzie, Hairy and others. The thing is, we were so disappointed and disgusted with the Liberals that we didn’t vote for Karma Sharma. I voted for the Lib Dems. But you’re right, most who live in Teal electorates like Wentworth don’t give a toss about the rest of Australia.

However, you want to know who and what is responsible for this great Teal reset? Well, it’s the clowns in the Liberal Party of Australia, under various PMs and yes, the rot started under Abbott and it magnified under Turdbull and then Scumbag. There was a complete abandonment and betrayal of Liberal beliefs and a complete surrender to the nonsense that is the climate cult. They signed up to the climate nonsense and last year to the disaster that is net zero emissions, and now they are too cowardly and too spineless to walk away and say it was a mistake.

In the forthcoming state election here in NSW (next March), the Liberals here will likely suffer the same fate as they did last May. They’ll lose former blue ribbon seats like Vaucluse, North Sydney and Manly, occupied by vacuous nonentities, to Teals. This is despite the fact that this state current Liberal government is mint green and obsessed with climate change, you couldn’t ask for a government more beholden to climate madness and yet they’re gonna still lose big time to the Teals. What’s the moral of this story? Don’t sell your soul to the climate con in the first place.

Petros
Petros
November 8, 2022 6:58 am

Ardern and Labour not so popular anymore in NZ.

Petros
Petros
November 8, 2022 7:01 am

Ukraine takes control of important companies for their war effort. Wonder if they’ll give them back afterwards. Link here.

Petros
Petros
November 8, 2022 7:06 am

Best of luck to Dr Richard Peppard in the forthcoming Victorian elections. That’s the sort of medico we need in politics, not the Monique Ryan brainwashed idiot type. Both are neurologists BTW.

min
min
November 8, 2022 7:11 am

Only one cartoon today?
Spooner spoi on tho

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 7:12 am

Dr Richard Peppard

Good for him! The Remembery remembers his Eliza.

min
min
November 8, 2022 7:12 am

Only one cartoon today?
Spooner spot on tho

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 7:12 am

Min, they’re on the dead thread.

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2022 7:13 am

LOL

Paging Dr B

She also got cranky about the square root of negative one. I wonder if her home only uses DC electricity?

You probably know of Marilyn vos Savant. She became famous because the Guinnes Book of World Records presented her as the person with the highest IQ ever recorded, as a child and as an adult. (As we shall discuss, her intelligence shines through in many places in the book, making it that much sadder that she could have written such drivel.) In her “Ask Marilyn” ‘problem-analysis column’ each Sunday in Parade magazine, she popularises mathematical puzzles and conundrums, reaching out to a potential audience of seventy million people. And now she has challenged the orthodoxy of the mathematics world by “refuting” Wiles’s purported proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem, by claiming that it is wrong because it is illogical, relying, she believes, on ridiculous inconsistencies accepted by mathematicians. For example, the concept of a non-Euclidean geometry. For another example, proofs using induction. Would you expect that such a controversial opinion, from the person with the world’s highest IQ, is based on a careful analysis of the ideas involved in these concepts,by studying the appropriate literature at hand, and by justifying her substantial findings with an irrefutable argument? Well, don’t expect such an argument in this book, because you’ll be disappointed. In fact, she even boasts that she wrote the book in just three weeks! Not that she began as an expert; no, she just dived in, read a few popular mathematics books, and then proceeded to her startling conclusions.

Gabor
Gabor
November 8, 2022 7:14 am

min says:
November 8, 2022 at 7:11 am

Only one cartoon today?
Spooner spoi on tho

On the Nov 5 OT

Stephen Williams
Stephen Williams
November 8, 2022 7:32 am

Saul topped himself to stop uncircumcised men from thrusting and abusing him, what was he implying?

Now the Philistines fought against Israel; and the men of Israel fled from before the Philistines, and fell slain on Mount Gilboa. Then the Philistines followed hard after Saul and his sons. And the Philistines killed Jonathan, Abinadab, and Malchishua, Saul’s sons. The battle became fierce against Saul. The archers hit him, and he was severely wounded by the archers.

Then Saul said to his armorbearer, “Draw your sword, and thrust me through with it, lest these uncircumcised men come and thrust me through and abuse me.”
But his armorbearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword and fell on it. And when his armorbearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword, and died with him

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 8, 2022 7:36 am

Saul was dead and so was his armour bearer.
Who was writing this down?

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2022 7:40 am

Well, the pic’s are out of the Hunchback’s car that was ‘T’ boned. It’s plainly obvious that it is NOT a T’bone. How is this fucking cunt getting away with this?

https://gettr.com/post/p1xa0dp989c

Stephen Williams
Stephen Williams
November 8, 2022 7:41 am

Good question, lots of great stories in the Old Testament, dodgy sources though.

min
min
November 8, 2022 7:43 am

Thanks all rely on the cartoons to let me know what is going on in world . More Accurate than the Age or ABC.

min
min
November 8, 2022 7:46 am

BTW looking at dan’s dangerous steps I would think a slip on those one would have landed on the bum and not end up with a broken jaw which was not listed in injuries . Did not photograph him for weeks , rely on goldfish memories of the voters.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 7:47 am

‘I’m back’: Winston Peters returns as NZ’s ‘white knight’ Written off in 2020, the maverick NZ First leader is rising in the polls and being talked of as kingmaker in the 2023 election. This isn’t particularly good news for Jacinda Ardern.

Yet no one is mentioning that it was him who installed ol horseface, against the wishes of his own voters.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2022 7:48 am

Saul was dead and so was his armour bearer.
Who was writing this down?

The armour bearer’s Insta story lived on.

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 7:54 am

I assume the king and the armour-bearer were important people. Saul had no means of escape as he was severely wounded. It was a product of Saul’s pride and despair that, rather than surrender himself to God’s care, he took his life instead.

A pleb/some plebs may have been an eyewitness and scarpered in the onslaught.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 7:56 am

Well, the pic’s are out of the Hunchback’s car that was ‘T’ boned. It’s plainly obvious that it is NOT a T’bone.

Yep, as discussed some days back, with such serious injuries to the cyclist, there would likely be substantial forensic evidence to show the orientation of the car and cycle at the scene.

The pictures shown are low quality, but it looks very much like car struck cyclist with R front bumper, cyclist then rotated down onto bonnet/windscreen.

There are 2 points of impact on the screen, the smaller, lower one looks very much like a classic headstrike and the higher more central one possible a hand.

So who is dropping all this dirt now?

chrisl
chrisl
November 8, 2022 7:58 am

Finally,finally the press are asking some hard questions of Dan Andrews. Investigating , enquiring, doing their job.
Does anyone have the transcript of his fiery press conference with The Age reporter?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 8, 2022 7:58 am

So who is dropping all this dirt now?

Friends of Viktoristan.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 8, 2022 8:00 am

So who is dropping all this dirt now?

Who knows? But they deserve a government grant!

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2022 8:00 am

So who is dropping all this dirt now?

The Hunchback is so hated that I’m guessing some in the police force are leaking info.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2022 8:03 am

And with the vehicle clearly unroadworthy, the cops let them drive home?

C’mon, this has to bury the fascist psychopath.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 8, 2022 8:03 am

The issue as always is not so much the crime but the cover up.

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 8:04 am

And…kind reader, read on…

When the Israelites on the other side of the Jezreel Valley and beyond the Jordan saw that the Israelite army had fled and that Saul and his sons were dead, they abandoned their towns and fled. So the Philistines moved in and occupied their towns.

The next day, when the Philistines went out to strip the dead, they found the bodies of Saul and his three sons on Mount Gilboa. So they cut off Saul’s head and stripped off his armor. Then they proclaimed the good news of Saul’s death in their pagan temple and to the people throughout the land of Philistia. They placed his armor in the temple of the Ashtoreths, and they fastened his body to the wall of the city of Beth-shan.

But when the people of Jabesh-gilead heard what the Philistines had done to Saul, all their mighty warriors traveled through the night to Beth-shan and took the bodies of Saul and his sons down from the wall. They brought them to Jabesh, where they burned the bodies. Then they took their bones and buried them beneath the tamarisk tree at Jabesh, and they fasted for seven days.

Everyone around knew what had happened. They saw the army flee the enemy. The Philistines would have repeated the story up and down the land in great gloatation, the bodies of the slain being displayed for public humiliation.

And the story reached David. Jonathan was David’s friend. Big mistake Philistines. And so the story continues to 2 Samuel 1. David gets the news from an eyewitness. But I’ll leave that for those who are interested to look up.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2022 8:07 am

From the Hun’s reproduced statement of Daniel Andrews:

The first I saw of him was when he smashed into the windscreen on the driver’s side.

But:

The cyclist was traveling at speed and hit our car at a perfect right angle very heavily.

No. No, the cyclist did not hit your car at any sort of right angle, let alone a perfect one.

The reproduced page is Page 1 of 2. The second page of statements of this type are, it is said by some, wholly taken up by jurats and assertions that the content of the statement is true and correct, and also an acknowledgment that any filthy lies in that statement render the writer liable to the penalties of perjury.

There is nothing in that statement about the following relevant points. This is not an exhaustive list:
1. How long the driver had held a licence for;
2. The competence of the driver, to the best of the statement maker’s knowledge;
3. Where the occupants of the car had been (for context);
4. Whether the driver (or any occupant) had been drinking, or was affected by licit or illicit drugs;
5. What the weather conditions were like – dry, wet, foggy, raining, clear;
6. What the driver was wearing – black clothing, hi-vis clothing, no clothing;
7. Any conversations had between the occupants of the car and the rider (or among themselves) in the period immediately following the crash; and
8. What street signs, if any, were at the intersection they were at immediately prior to the crash.

All of these questions are relevant, and I have heard from decent sources that all of them are absolutely stock standard when the jacks cast their peepers over accidents of this type.

None of them were asked. An even bigger ‘tell’ is the self-serving commentary provided by Andrews in this single page chock full of falsehoods.

There are six words that scream out from the pics, and that ‘statement’. Perjury is one of them.

The others are Pervert The Course of Justice.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2022 8:09 am

The issue as always is not so much the crime but the cover up.

It’s a fucking terrible coverup. Terrible.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 8, 2022 8:10 am

Saul’s suicide is still more believable than Dan getting T boned by a kid on a bike or the two step triple backflip.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2022 8:21 am

No Call to Bibi: Biden Has Yet to Congratulate Newly Elected Israeli Leader

FWIW he has done so overnight.

shatterzzz
November 8, 2022 8:22 am

C’mon, lads & lassies dry those eyes, put the hankies down and get yer keyboard fingers wagging in sympathy! .. seems “thugby” ain’t all booze, broads & ignoring contracts headlines! .. The “ladz” is doing it tuff .. all that effort to make a $million quid a year and no one appreciates them .. boo hoo!
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/world-cup/rugby-league-wolrd-cup-2022-pay-dispute-nrl-salary-cap-rlpa-australia-kangaroos-patrick-carrigan-harry-grant-isaah-yeo-clint-newton/news-story/90710ee14c37b18542fcd127e78c0151

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 8, 2022 8:24 am

Fair comment, and amusingly written, but Joe couldn’t forget his preference for the Left in the last line:

Joe Hildebrand: US midterms offer stark lessons for Australian Labor

Just two years after the chaos of Donald Trump’s presidency, the Democrats are heading for a result that will make the Texas Chainsaw Massacre look like Peppa Pig, writes Joe Hildebrand.

During the next 24 hours, tens of millions of Americans will go to the polls. On paper, it will be to elect hundreds of congress men and women, senators and governors to federal and state offices all over the country.

But in truth it is a referendum on just one man: Joe Biden.

And it is for this reason that just two years after the chaos of Donald Trump’s presidency, the Democrats are heading for a result that will make the Texas Chainsaw Massacre look like Peppa Pig.

It would be easy to say that this is because Biden has spent much of his presidency mumbling incoherently and attempting to shake hands with pot plants, but the seeds of this disaster lie right at the heart of the Democratic Party itself – and offer stark lessons for Australian Labor.

The fundamental question is: How is it that the biggest political machine in the world’s greatest democracy was faced with a president they derided as a dangerously incompetent fool, and yet when the time came to defeat him the best they could come up with was a brain-damaged geriatric who could barely string a sentence together?

The reason is that the Democrats forgot about the middle.

Not just Middle America, but the middle of their own party.

At the bottom it had been hijacked by the same green-left activists we see buzzing around in Australia – feeding silly, identity politics-obsessed ideologues into congress – and at the top the party was effectively a multimillion-dollar seatwarmer for the Clintons.

And so you had a party structure comprised of bourgeois radicals talking about defunding the police, stitched to a personality cult around arguably the most powerful couple in the world and deeply embedded with the most elite corporate and political establishment.

But where were normal people?

Indeed, it might as well be put down to divine intervention that spoilt Hillary’s first dance and gave Barack Obama eight effortless years in the White House.

As soon as that was done, Hillary popped back up like an inflatable punching bag only to lose another unlosable race.

And when the Dems needed someone to take on Trump, the cupboard was bare.

Why? Because instead of searching for and developing mainstream middle-American candidates who could beat Trump at an actual election, both Hillary and the activist left were too busy whingeing and whining about how the election was stolen from them because the voting system wasn’t fair or because social media was spreading fake news – ironically, the same claims that Trump and his supporters make about his own loss.

They were so obsessed with delegitimising Trump – whether by endless court cases, violent protests or inane #notmypresident hashtags – that they forgot to find someone who could beat him legitimately.

And so when the time came and the party’s top brass realised that if middle-Americans ever came across a typical Democrat activist in the wild they’d pull out a 12-gauge, the closest thing they had to a leading moderate was Joe Biden.

That is how the biggest democratic political operation on the planet ended up staging a real-world re-enactment of Weekend at Bernie’s. That is why Biden was only elected thanks to an unprecedented and one-off anti-Trump coalition ranging from Romney Republicans to Sanders Socialists.

And that is why the Democrats will be trounced in the midterms even as Trump is contemplating a resurrection that would put Lazarus to shame.

Likewise, British Labour was destroyed not so much by the electorate, but by its own hard-left base and their slavish devotion to the unreconstructed socialist Jeremy Corbyn – a man hated by his own colleagues.

Corbynites were given false hope after riding a post-Brexit wave to come closer than expected to the beige and hamstrung Theresa May. In fact, Corbyn’s party was obliterated at the next poll once the Tories had a charismatic leader in Boris Johnson.

Now under the centrist Keir Starmer, Labour is on track to win back power from opposition for the first time since the centrist Tony Blair did the same in 1997. And the lesson for Australian Labor is equally obvious. For a major party to win and hold government it must be mainstream and that means its membership and values must reflect those of mainstream Australia.

So far, Anthony Albanese has done an admirable job of holding the centre line, but it is a thankless and sleepless job.

Hardline elements are always seeking to hijack the ALP for their own personal or ideological purposes. They think they are activists, but they are more like electoral saboteurs.

On Tuesday, the American Democratic Party is going to suffer the impact of such activism under somnambulant leadership.

God willing, the Australian Labor Party won’t have to.

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 8:27 am

And yet they’ll still re-elect the creepy perjurer and tyrant, Gez.

Which is a shocking reflection on Victorian voters, but even more on the Opposition.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 8, 2022 8:31 am

Secret police file and pictures shed new light on Dan Andrews family crash

Secret police documents on the Daniel Andrews family car crash reveal the extent of the damage to the SUV and raise new issues regarding Victoria Police’s handling.

Michael Warner / Herald-Sun
Exclusive
November 8, 2022 – 6:00AM

Ryan Meuleman spent 10 days in hospital after he was in a crash with a car driven by then State Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews’ wife Catherine at Blairgowrie

Secret police documents on the 2013 collision between Daniel and Catherine Andrews’ Ford Territory and bike rider Ryan Meuleman reveal the extent of the damage to the SUV – but the pictures have never been released to the young man or his family.

The images and other issues regarding Victoria Police’s handling of the crash, which have emerged in the documents obtained by the Herald Sun, have prompted calls from a former Victorian crown prosecutor for a fresh review of the case.

It comes as cyclist Ryan and his family have been told they must wait at least three weeks for further key files they are pursuing.

In his first interview about the crash, Ryan last week claimed he had been denied justice, saying the Andrews’ car was “speeding” and “seemed to come out of nowhere” when he was struck as he rode his bicycle across Ridley St in Blairgowrie on January 7.

But the Premier has always claimed it was Ryan who was travelling too fast, saying in 2017: “He was moving at speed, he absolutely T-boned the car, hit it at such force he was literally inside the car.”

Crash investigation pictures obtained by the Herald Sun show the windscreen on the driver’s side of the SUV was smashed and heavily depressed, which the Meulemans say indicates the car must have hit their son.

Damage to the front right panel and bonnet was also inflicted in the collision with then 15-year-old Ryan but the vehicle was never taken for forensic analysis.

The images, which had not been included in documents released to the Meulemans under Freedom of Information laws, have infuriated the family.

After reviewing the extensive files, Ryan’s father Peter Meuleman said: “This is the first time I’ve seen these photos.

“Why didn’t the police give them to us when we asked for the crash report?

“At the Premier’s press conference (in 2017) he said my son had run into his car. Clearly, these photos show his car hit my son.

“There was no T-bone to the side of the car. We are seriously shocked by the lies that we have been told about the circumstances of the crash.”

The full police incident report, investigation notes, never-before-seen photographs and witness statements relating to the horror smash, which resulted in Ryan losing 90 per cent of his spleen, have been obtained by the Herald Sun.

Pix at the link, but presumably paywalled

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2022 8:33 am

Real Rukshan on Facebook has published photos of Dan Xi Man’s vehicle from the accident with the cyclist.
They clearly show that his story about the bike t-boning the car is … somewhat implausible.
Can’t link.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 8, 2022 8:33 am

Secret police documents

Is that documents of the secret police or police documents that are secret?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2022 8:34 am

Ah, I see we are onto the Dan accident pics.

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 8:34 am

the chaos of Donald Trump’s presidency

Thanks Joe. What, pray tell, caused the “chaos”?

Was it, perchance, that the Dems (and that obscene old Clinton harridan) couldn’t accept the fact that he had won? And that they stirred the pot for four years inciting racial hatred, destruction of property and civil unrest? That they resorted to bogus accusations and lawfare, polluting the country’s legal agencies with partisan hacks thus diminishing confidence in the justice system?

I could go on…and on. Had they accepted the presidential election and simply got on with it the world would be a much better place today. But they didn’t and here we are.

mc
mc
November 8, 2022 8:39 am

Which is a shocking reflection on Victorian voters, but even more on the Opposition.

Fair go Calli. Lots of us have never voted for him.

I guess, yes, we Victorians are accountable but we are not helped by a Liberal party that seems to have failed to field a decent opposition in years…..on the other hand, I get the impression they like being in opposition.

In a just world Andrews will not be premier after November. Even if that were to happen, I can not see any material difference if Guy is premier.

Don’t crow too much though. It looks like NSW is not that far behind Vic.

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 8:41 am

Accident pics here.

No t-bone. The cyclist hit the driver’s side bumper and then the windscreen. At quite a speed.

Dan’s a liar. And so are the police.

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 8:44 am

Don’t crow too much though. It looks like NSW is not that far behind Vic.

Quite so.

And I’m not crowing. I’m mourning. I’ll leave the silly triumphalism for those who can’t or won’t see the big picture of our political decline.

mc
mc
November 8, 2022 8:49 am

And I’m not crowing. I’m mourning. I’ll leave the silly triumphalism for those who can’t or won’t see the big picture of our political decline.

Indeed.

It seems we are sliding to an inevitable disaster unless there is a great awakening, or maybe I am projecting my own mortality onto the world around me….haven’t worked out which it is yet.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 8:50 am

Accident pics here.

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Facebook seems to be having technical issues with the Danpix atm – Im sure its nothing.

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2022 8:51 am

From an article on the Hun website, the teals in Parliament had some nice backing, donation wise to get themselves into office.

Hilariously, Josh Frydenberg outspent his teal opponent by more than a million dollars but still lost his blue ribbon Liberal seat.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2022 8:51 am

ABSOLUTE PERFECTION COMBINED WITH TRADITIONAL CRAFTSMANSHIP

HK-ENGINEERING is the only company worldwide that is dedicated to the restoration and maintenance of Mercedes-Benz 300 SL cars. That is why the company is now regarded, not only, as a forerunner and pioneer in the industry worldwide but also as the embodiment of exceptional expertise in the 300 SL. During the last years HK-ENGINEERING has extended its sales offering to include classic cars of other makes.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2022 8:52 am

Dan’s a liar.

This farrago of lies should become the entire platform of the Libs and everyone else’s campaign. It is a rolled-gold gift to the opposition.

It should be screamed out, like AC/DC on a flat top driving down Swanston Street 24 hours a day from this moment on.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 8:54 am

Around the beginning of the pandemic, family and friends of Isis members began to gently craft a new narrative about their women. They had never supported the caliphate. They were innocents forced to travel there by men. They were, in their own way, victims. These grown women had been “trafficked” into Isis territory. Ignore the fact that many of them bought their own tickets.

How the media whitewashed Isis brides These women deserve punishment, not rehabilitation

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2022 8:55 am

I just looked at the pictures on Facebook, no problems.

Bruce
Bruce
November 8, 2022 8:56 am

“Election Deniers”?

Bad, naughty “election deniers”?

A short summary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX2Ejqjz6TA&t=91s

The GLOBAL LSM “standard true (spt) view” is that Trump ‘falsely claims’ that the last circus was dodgy, and yet……….

The LSM: The mangy tail wagging the rabid dog of politics.

mem
mem
November 8, 2022 9:01 am

Judging by the quickly disappearing piles of the Herald Sun at my local IGA, I would say that there are a lot of people following this crash story in Victoria. Dan has been spraying our money around to buy the election but I think many voters will hold their nose and vote Matt Guy. After all he couldn’t be as corrupt or as abusive as Daniel Andrews.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 8, 2022 9:03 am

Karens are still out there Karening:

An exclusive, invitation-only school has been shut down until ‘further notice’ after a Covid outbreak took out a third of its teaching staff and a single student.

All students from Year 7 to 11 at Tangara School for Girls, in the north Sydney suburb of Cherrybrook, will return to remote learning for at least the next four days thanks to the handful of coronavirus cases.

Daily Mail

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 9:04 am

So far, Anthony Albanese has done an admirable job of holding the centre line, but it is a thankless and sleepless job.

Albanese only looks like a centrist if you’re to the left of him, Joe Hildebrand.

duncanm
duncanm
November 8, 2022 9:08 am
Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 9:10 am

University of South Australia epidemiologist Professor Adrian Esterman told News Corp it was time for ATAGI to recommend a fifth dose given the nation was on the brink of a new wave.

‘By and large I would welcome a fifth dose, we are at the beginning of a new wave,’ he said.

‘More importantly we have waning immunity, most people had their last dose several months ago.’

So the vaccines are only effectual for “several months” but a fifth dose should be recommended to the general population by government.

Give it up.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2022 9:13 am

So is there someone in the wings that can take over from Dan when he finally says the stress of being hounded by the press and the public (naturally it will all be other people that are being mean to him) and stands down find support among his family and friends?

I may be overestimating the degree of control available to them, but it seems to me that all this stuff coming out about Dan would not be coming out without the imprimatur of Labor. He seems really on the nose so it would be easier to cut him off and give themselves a ‘fresh start’ with a fresh face with minimal known baggage.

We had a revolving door of Labor premiers in NSW like that.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2022 9:13 am

Give it up.

Expect mandates and lockdowns when the Hunchback is reelected.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 9:14 am

Have Dan Andrews and the truth ever been seen in the same vicinity?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2022 9:15 am

Brucesays:
November 8, 2022 at 8:56 am
“Election Deniers”?

Bad, naughty “election deniers”?

The GLOBAL LSM “standard true (spt) view” is that Trump ‘falsely claims’ that the last circus was dodgy, and yet……….

The LSM: The mangy tail wagging the rabid dog of politics.

Election Denier Stacey Abrams Already Denying 2022 Election Results

Election denier Stacey Abrams (D-Liar) is already spinning her upcoming gubernatorial loss by denying an election that has yet to conclude.

Although we see record turnout in Georgia, Abrams is out there blaming this loss on voter suppression and — get this — the ignorance of black men.

In 2018, Abrams lost her race to become Georgia’s governor by a fairly substantial 1.4 percentage points — 50.2 percent for Republican Brian Kemp, compared to 48.8 percent for Abrams. The difference was also a fairly substantial 55,000 votes.

Nevertheless, Abrams refused to concede and continued to insist she won. In fact, four years later, she still hasn’t conceded, even as she launched a rematch against Kemp.

Well, now the insufferable Abrams is getting walloped in the polls. In the RealClearPolitics polls of polls, she’s losing by an average of 8.1 points. Some polls have her down by double digits. The President of Earth is staring dead in the face of a straight-up humiliation and the end of her career as a political superstar.

Naturally, with a massive rejection looming on the horizon, Abrams is returning to form. Even before the 2022 election is over, the election denier is denying the 2022 election.

Before we get to the liars lies, let’s look at this fact…

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2022 9:15 am

Somyurek on Mitchell’s show now. Might have to put the transcript up when I conclude work

Eyrie
Eyrie
November 8, 2022 9:20 am

Collision geometry. The vehicle (1) being T-boned must be moving very slowly relative to the vehicle (2) doing the T- boning. If both are at the same speed the collision angle will be 45 degrees. The faster vehicle 1 is going vs vehicle 2 the angle moves to the front. You can draw your own conclusions. It isn’t rocket engineering (well it can be).

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 9:20 am

Expect mandates and lockdowns when the Hunchback is reelected.

I live in QLD.

When the Labor Health Minister was pushing for restrictions in the winter wave the CHO declined.

Yesterday his emergency powers expired. One of his last actions was to lift the mask mandate in public hospitals and health care facilities.

The jig is up.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 8, 2022 9:20 am

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s government has signalled it is open to discussing climate “reparations” for the likes of Pakistan …

To put it another way…
Not surprisingly, the Wee Krankie from the Scotchlandian National Socialist Party
wants a cut of the trillion quid spoken about by the eco-loons.
The Scotchlandians must be suffering a climate catastrophe related to the Clearances.
Or maybe Culloden.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2022 9:22 am
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2022 9:25 am

Albanese only looks like a centrist if you’re to the left of him, Joe Hildebrand.

I always felt a bit sorry for Hildebrand. He seemed to want to be like Tim Blair but just lacked the talent. A wretched position to be in – to be able admire skill but to be hopelessly, and all too consciously aware that other people know, that you are just no good.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2022 9:28 am

Saul was dead and so was his armour bearer.

Saul is dead?
When did this happen?

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
November 8, 2022 9:29 am

Jab jab booster…………………thalidomide anyone!!

Dr. Thorp is a Board-Certified Obstetrician Gynecologist and Maternal Fetal Medicine Physician with over 43 years of obstetrical experience. While serving as a very busy clinician his entire career he has also been very active in clinical research with about 200 publications. Dr. Thorp is an extremely busy clinician and researcher. He has seen over 22,800 high risk pregnancies in the past three years. He has served as a reviewer for major medical journals, has served on the Board of Directors for the Society of Maternal Fetal Medicine, and also served the American Board of Obstetrics & Gynecology. He served in the United States Air Force as an Obstetrician Gynecologist having been awarded a Health Professions Scholarship for his medical school education. Dr. Thorp testified in the US Senate under the Bush administration in 2003 for his expertise in treating the fetus as a patient with in-utero therapies. Most recently Dr. Thorp has focused his research efforts on the COVID-19 pandemic and published several peer-reviewed scientific publications documenting the dangers of the vaccine in women of reproductive age and in pregnancy. His publications conclusively demonstrate that the COVID-19 “vaccination” experiment has been one of the greatest disasters in the history of medicine. Dr Thorp has clearly shown the mass death from COVID-19 pandemic that would have been prevented had the healthcare system and governmental agencies NOT prevented the widespread support of early and safe treatments proven successful by multiple experts around the world.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/board-certified-obstetrician-cries?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=583200&post_id=83095432&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 9:31 am

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s government has signalled it is open to discussing climate “reparations” for the likes of Pakistan …

Very silly politics from Rishi.

Not only will no Tory government approve such a plan, but he’s just given Boris a point of difference to take his stand on.

Which is ironic, because he only went to COP27 because he didn’t want to be upstaged by Johnson.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2022 9:34 am

Nasdaq up 0.8%.
Atlassian down 3.6%.
OK, it’s not 25%, but it will do.
Not even a dead cat bounce.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 9:35 am

Red Fred Chaney gets a guernsey on ALPBC Perth radio news. The original Teal.

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2022 9:37 am

Dan’s public appearances are so muted, a dog park, a child care centre etc.
One appearance was cancelled at short notice because of security concerns.
Seems he is a very divisive figure.
Why is it so?
Actually what is astounding is that there is any Danlove anywhere.
Those celebrating him keeping them safe through 2020 and 2021 should have had their hearts broken in December last year.

duncanm
duncanm
November 8, 2022 9:38 am

She also got cranky about the square root of negative one. I wonder if her home only uses DC electricity?

one thing you learn, is that concepts like imaginary numbers are a convenient mathematical way to describe various physical phenomenon. They’re still not ‘a thing’ like natural numbers are.

duncanm
duncanm
November 8, 2022 9:39 am

OldOzziesays:
November 8, 2022 at 9:35 am
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
@bennyjohnson @kathygriffin Actually, she was suspended for impersonating a comedian

burn

Anchor What
Anchor What
November 8, 2022 9:42 am

He seemed to want to be like Tim Blair but just lacked the talent.
Perhaps well matched with the morning TV ladies.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 9:43 am

Will the Chairman have his Chappaquidick? Watch Victoriastanis vote for more of the same.

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2022 9:44 am

“He has seen over 22,800 high risk pregnancies in the past three years”
Anyone who claims to be ‘seeing’ approximately high risk pregnant women a week isn’t practising good medicine.
That’s, frankly, unbelievable.

Anchor What
Anchor What
November 8, 2022 9:44 am

Seems he is a very divisive figure.
You can only use that term against conservatives, regardless of whether they win bigly at elections.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2022 9:45 am

Saul is dead?
When did this happen?

Next week.

Apparently he has some dirt on the Clintons.

I am wondering if the Hilderbeest will eventually need to get rid of Bill. The advancing years have leached the vital force from him and he is a shrunken colourless husk of a man. I imagine that there is a spark of consciousness left in there but a growing expanse of darkness has opened up between it and his eyes so they seem miles away and he can barely discern what is in front of him; his ears are falling away from him and everything is muffled and indistinct. It takes longer and longer for sensations to find their way to him and they arrive degraded and jumbled. And when he speaks it is a lost wandering mind that cannot even hear its own echo.

He might thoughtlessly say something that can only be known by someone involved – there are plenty of things to be avoided.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 9:45 am

Peak ALPBC – Is climate change eroding indigenous knowledge?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2022 9:46 am

https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/11/06/cost-of-living-in-europe-and-further-aid-to-ukraine/

… It would be fair to say that the monthly take-home pay of 70% of Belgians after the 50% income tax is withheld comes to about 1,500 euros. Just for comparison, if this figure seems unduly low, the state pensions of many Belgians come to just a few hundred euros; and you have to have been very successful in your working career to receive a pension equivalent to those same 1,500 euros.

Let us assume that my electricity and heating costs are well above average because of the size of my home and the unimproved state of our insulation. Let us assume that these same 70% of the population have total energy costs now of 900 euros a month, or half of what I will be paying in effect. In a household where there is only one breadwinner, this would leave just 600 euros a month for food, apartment rent or mortgage payments and all other expenses. The arithmetic just doesn’t work. Your household budget will be in sharp deficit each month.

I have taken Belgium as my example, but I assure the reader that the numbers for income and outgo of the majority of the populations in neighboring European countries are not much different. That is true even in Germany despite its seeming prosperity. So what will the people do about it? At what point does public indignation and growing poverty spill over into social and political unrest? …

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 9:51 am

… It would be fair to say that the monthly take-home pay of 70% of Belgians after the 50% income tax is withheld comes to about 1,500 euros.

No wonder Mathias Cormann emigrated!

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
November 8, 2022 9:51 am
Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
November 8, 2022 9:53 am

On the upside, T-bone is a better nickname. I suspect Dan rather likes being called Chairman.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2022 9:54 am

ABC boss to be questioned on Louise Milligan speech

exclusive
Sophie Elsworth
Media writer
5:38AM November 8, 2022

ABC managing director David Anderson will be asked to provide a transcript and any recordings of a controversial speech given by reporter Louise Milligan to a female lawyers’ event in Canberra last month.

At Senate estimates on Tuesday, Mr Anderson will be quizzed by Liberal senator Sarah Henderson about Milligan’s keynote ­address, which has since been ­described by some in the legal fraternity as “insensitive”.

Senator Henderson sent Mr Anderson a letter this week outlining the questions she will ask at the Canberra hearing, to give him sufficient time to seek information and respond to the questions when he fronts estimates.

Milligan gave an address to the Women Lawyers Association gala dinner on October 21, which led to a number of complaints by people who attended the event. Some lawyers claimed they felt under attack and said in the speech Milligan shamed female barristers and lawyers who ­defended people accused of sexual crimes.

Senator Henderson has also asked Mr Anderson to provide any copies of complaints made directly to the ABC or Milligan about the speech and also disclose whether she received any payment for making the keynote address.

He has also been requested to explain whether she sought ­approval from the ABC before making the speech and whether she provided the public broadcaster with an advance copy of the speech.

Tickets to last month’s WLA event cost up to $150 each.

The senator’s letter also outlines that under the Australian Broadcasting Corporation Act 1983, it’s the ABC board’s obligation “to maintain the independence and integrity of the corporation”.

Senator Henderson has asked Mr Anderson to explain the ABC’s policies concerning employees performing services for another organisation – both paid or unpaid.

The probe on the speech comes after it was revealed in The Australian on Monday that ACT Bar Association president Rebecca Curran had been requested by the Bar Council to express concerns aired after Milligan gave the “insensitive” speech.

In Ms Curran’s letter to the WLA, she said many members who attended the event said they were “deeply offended and distressed” by Milligan’s speech which was made at the gala event to celebrate the contribution by female lawyers to the profession.

Ms Curran outlined a series of problems with the speech and said: “She seemed to encourage lawyers to run cases in the media, and promoted misconceptions concerning the criminal justice system.

“Most damaging, her speech was divisive of the community that had gathered to celebrate women in the law”.

The ABC has previously said the WLA gala dinner was not an ABC event.

An ABC spokeswoman said on Monday: “Louise Milligan has abided by all her obligations and has done nothing wrong.”

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
November 8, 2022 9:57 am

Albanese only looks like a centrist if you’re to the left of him, Joe Hildebrand.

FMD, you would have to be far to the left to get on Elbo’s left.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2022 9:58 am

Hey Big Spender….

“Independent MP Allegra Spender has played down the role Australia’s wealthiest political donors had in the campaigns of the six successful teal candidates, who it was revealed on Monday received $10.2m in political donations at the federal election.

Ms Spender told ABC RN she wanted to lead the way on reforms to political donations but “can’t do that on my own”.

“It was an expensive campaign; I think for me the biggest difference however was the volunteers,” she said.

“I’m really proud of the volunteers, and I’m very grateful for the donations as well, because honestly, if you’re an independent it’s a lot just to be known in the community, that takes a lot of time.

“I believe we should fundamentally reform how we do political spending, but I can’t do that on my own.”

Ms Spender said while wealthy business figures including Scott Farquhar and Mike Cannon-Brookes had driven Climate 200’s election funding, there had been more than 11,000 total donors in a “massive community movement”.

“Let’s be honest about how political donations really work – at the last election an estimated $300m was spent by Labor and the Coalition … we don’t know where 85 per cent of that money came from,” she said.

“I think that we could really see a fundamental shift in political funding.”””

Firstly, you have to love Big Spender’s chutzpah.

Secondly, as for Big Spender’s statement “she wanted to lead the way on reforms to political donations but “can’t do that on my own“. Her whole political existence is due to Sinister Svengali Simon and other climate hypocrites such as Cannon-Brookes. Without their financial largesse Big Spender is nothing. Having watched her cult campaign here in Wentworth, it would have given the Moonies a run in creepy cult like behaviour and actions.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2022 9:59 am

Truth is no longer a virtue in Sicktoria.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2022 10:01 am

She also got cranky about the square root of negative one

i can’t believe it.

Zipster
Zipster
November 8, 2022 10:02 am

University of South Australia epidemiologist Professor Adrian Esterman told News Corp it was time for ATAGI to recommend a fifth dose given the nation was on the brink of a new wave.

its time for ATAGI to drown in a bucket of vomit. these are the scum that have forbidden early treatments for covid and banned off label treatment for long covid.

Johnny Rotten
November 8, 2022 10:03 am

A Texan walks into a pub in Ireland and clears his throat to the crowd of drinkers.

He says “I hear you Irish are a bunch of hard drinkers. I’ll give $500 American dollars to anybody in here who can drink 10 pints of Guinness back-to-back”.

The room is quiet, and no one takes up the Texan’s offer. One man even leaves.

Thirty minutes later the same gentleman who left shows up and taps the Texan on the shoulder. “Is your bet still good?” asks the Irishman.

The Texan says yes and asks the bartender to line up 10 pints of Guinness. Immediately the Irishman tears into all 10 of the pint glasses, drinking them all back-to-back.

The other pub patrons cheer as the Texan sits in amazement.

The Texan gives the Irishman the $500 and says “If ya don’t mind me askin’, where did you go for that 30 minutes you were gone?”

The Irishman replies “Oh… I had to go to the pub down the street to see if I could do it first”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 10:04 am

The Chairman knows the Victoriastan justice system is on his side. I hope he buys Rob Hull and Shane Patton a beer when this is all disappeared.

Johnny Rotten
November 8, 2022 10:05 am

One of the advantages of being disorderly is that one is constantly making exciting discoveries.

– A. A. Milne

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 8, 2022 10:09 am

Hildebrand is like Waleed Aly. Ya gotta have a panel member who’s male – although if you’re fully woke then you have a trannie – but you want one who is not too aggressive, and is fully prepared to admit he’s inherently a member of the oppressors.

Must be prepared to get a bit teary-eyed if necessary.

Deferring to any females on the same panel is definitely a requirement. Or female guests. Even if they are speaking absolute rubbish.

Unless right-wing female pollies.

Must be difficult being Joe or Waleed. And quite horrible.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 10:12 am

The Chairman knows the Victoriastan justice system is on his side.

The court of public opinion not so much, it would seem.

If & when that becomes apparent, protecting Andrews might not be worth the trouble.

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2022 10:12 am

What a sad state the Australian political press are in. No one is listening to their rubbish.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2022 10:13 am

Very silly politics from Rishi.

It’s going to be a wipeout when a Pommy election finally happens. The whole Tory base will vote for the Reform Party or someone, anyone else. First past the post is excellent for putting the boot in.

Here the Libs can stiff the base because of the preference system. The only alternative is to vote informal, as I have been doing. That takes mental effort (you can’t put in a blank ballot, they’ll just pencil in the Liars) and also denies reasonable parties any chance like SFF, PHON or AC. Purple is not my favourite colour.

Winston Smith
November 8, 2022 10:14 am

Bruce O’Newk:

It happens over and over: government puts price controls onto fuel, then all the fuel suppliers go bust because they can’t make a profit. Then because there’s unrest over of lack of fuel the government takes away the price controls, prices rise spectacularly then there’re riots over the price of fuel. And the government cracks down, or even collapses.

The continuing proof of the saying that “Government is the only form of life with 100 bellies and no brain.”

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
November 8, 2022 10:16 am

This may have been discussed on this forum previously, but I missed it.

Last year, the Russians put forward a motion, in the UN, to oppose Nazism.
Two nations voted NO. The US and Ukraine. (No surprises there).

A few weeks ago, the Russians put the same motion forward again.
This time, 52 nations voted against it and 15 nations abstained.

How do you think Australia voted?
We abstained.

Australia is NOT committed to oppose this vile ideology.
Will it be the Jews and homosexuals taking the hits again, do you think?
I doubt it.

What a fucking disgrace!

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2022 10:16 am

it’s the ABC board’s obligation “to maintain the independence and integrity of the corporation”.

Independence is hardly at issue. The ABC considers its ‘independence’ to be their entitlement to be as biased and dishonest as they like and no government should have the power to interfere with them on their adventures.

They use the word as giving them permission to be as political one-sided as they wish.

Impartiality is the key. Reinstate that obligation and the independence bit immediately changes complexion and returns to an obligation on government not to try to influence editorialship.

Impartiality is likely covered under integrity but it really should be a heading all of its own. And how can anyone argue against it – well, out loud and in public. In those stinking little rooms in Ultimo where they all sniff each others’ farts they will be saying that they have to represent people who are underrepresented (as assessed by them) and giving a voice to the voiceless (as in fringe loonies who should be able to shout down the rest of the country).

Zipster
Zipster
November 8, 2022 10:17 am

https://explore.data.abs.gov.au/vis?tm=births&pg=0&df%5Bds%5D=ABS_ABS_TOPICS&df%5Bid%5D=BIRTHS_MONTH_OCCURRENCE&df%5Bag%5D=ABS&df%5Bvs%5D=1.0.0&hc%5BMeasure%5D=Births&pd=1975%2C&dq=1..AUS.A&ly[cl]=TIME_PERIOD&ly[rw]=MONTH_OCCUR&fbclid=IwAR2tj37OnOYjHFBMD8ZYPDftKQIAgpiUj2hngtjIOaAc9iZH5m2xofoVqjo

the nov 21 and dec 21 birth numbers are shocking. are these incomplete? where are the 22 numbers?

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 10:18 am

Roger – Are you saying the Liars will get back but the Chairman will have to go? Xi showed how that works just recently. A couple of goons come and throw you outside.

Christine
Christine
November 8, 2022 10:19 am

Joe Hildebrand is annoying
But it’s not hard to feel sorry for him, knowing his young brother vanished on a family bush walk

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 8, 2022 10:20 am

After all he couldn’t be as corrupt or as abusive as Daniel Andrews.

You forgot the mandatory “, could he?” at the end of that sentence.

Zipster
Zipster
November 8, 2022 10:20 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2022 10:22 am

Rosie earlier …

Actually what is astounding is that there is any Danlove anywhere.
Those celebrating him keeping them safe through 2020 and 2021 should have had their hearts broken in December last year.

Makes you wonder if the overwhelming support for #istandwithdan on Twatter, with barely a word of opposition, wasn’t somehow facilitated by the now defunct Asia-Pacific content curation group.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2022 10:24 am

Last year, the Russians put forward a motion, in the UN, to oppose Nazism.

Cute since the Russians are Nazis too. If they want to denazify someone they should buy a mirror.
And yes the Ukrainians are also, especially the Azovites. Baddies vs baddies.

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2022 10:25 am

“What a sad state the Australian political press are in. No one is listening to their rubbish.”
Including the ABC, SBS, the Saturday Paper, the whole you lot, right Monty?

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2022 10:26 am

The ABC has been just as poor, rosie. No one listens to SBS, and barely anyone reads the Saturday Paper.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 10:26 am

Roger – Are you saying the Liars will get back but the Chairman will have to go?

Fond memories of late 1987 in QLD, Bear.

When the weight of a premier’s corruption threatens to take the whole party down, things can turn against them very quickly.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 10:27 am

Don’t forget the Chairman and the Liars won the last election with the Red Shirts known and members of Cabinet refusing to cooperate with the investigation. Victoriastan might as well be another country.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 10:29 am

I guess so. Think Wran and Brian Burke. You may be right. We’ll see.

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2022 10:34 am

Andrews will go when he wants to, like Steve Bracks. No one is turfing him out, particularly not Mr Slug.

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2022 10:36 am

As for the Vic election, yawn another Labor rout.

There might be a few extra seats for the Greens though, 14% at the latest poll.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2022 10:36 am

The ABC has been just as poor, rosie. No one listens to SBS, and barely anyone reads the Saturday Paper.

Too right wing eh Monty?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2022 10:39 am

Deferring to any females on the same panel is definitely a requirement. Or female guests. Even if they are speaking absolute rubbish.

Yup.

When I think of him on that TV show I think of him as a gelded neurotic quasi-man, body clenched, watching the grande dames around him like a beaten dog as they air their haughty decrees, but he himself remans ingratiating and desperate for just that one crumb of condescending approbation.

Oh, he might try to pose as holding contrary opinion as a tactic to seem more engaging, but a single glaring look has him head on the floor, looking up anxiously and with his tail wagging nervously.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
November 8, 2022 10:41 am

Here is a report (which miraculously got past ABC censorship) on apology to victims from the Tasmanian parliament for the widespread and systematic child abuse and its cover-ups exposed by the Tasmanian government’s inquiry:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-08/tas-parliament-apology-to-child-sexual-abuse-victim-survivors/101617916

I have said it before but I’ll say it again: what does their utter failure to investigate state institutions (especially schools) tell us about the Gillard-McClellan royal commission? Answer: it was nothing but a political hit job on institutions disliked by the hard left.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2022 10:41 am

I seem to be in a very oratorical mood today.

Sorry about that.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
November 8, 2022 10:41 am

If both are at the same speed the collision angle will be 45 degrees.

From an untechnical person – if both are going in a straight line at 90 degrees to each other, why is the point of impact 45?

Winston Smith
November 8, 2022 10:43 am

Flyingduk:

So who is dropping all this dirt now?

Curious isn’t it? I think the grub in the salad story is coming to a head.
Don’t know why, it’s just the vibe.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 10:44 am

I guess so. Think Wran and Brian Burke. You may be right. We’ll see.

I’m not making any predictions, just speculating on how things might unfold.

Remember that Joh’s downfall happened shortly after the peak of his popularity with “Joh for PM.”

No politician is completely unassailable.

These types always overreach, whereupon the the goddess of Rhamnous exacts her retribution.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 8, 2022 10:46 am

I’m surprised Indigo Rumblelow doesn’t have danger hair or a nose ring.
On the other hand, I’m not surprised she looks like the sort who wouldn’t fare well
if things got a bit sporty.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 10:48 am

University of South Australia epidemiologist Professor Adrian Esterman told News Corp it was time for ATAGI to recommend a fifth dose given the nation was on the brink of a new wave.

I think I have mentioned this before, but when I was an undergrad student doing my Community Medicine (nowadays known as ‘Epidemiology’) Honours back in the 80’s, I was referred to Perfesser Esterman for advice on how to statistically analyse my data. He told me to use ‘Logisitic Regression Analysis’. He was a senior statistical adviser to the SA govt at the time.

Not knowing what logistic regression was, I set up a simple data set (ie one with known results) and ran it through that analysis, just to get a feel for what the method was doing.

To my surprise, it wasn’t giving the results that it should have, based upon his advice, so I took the results back to him.

After a few days, it transpired that he had been giving incorrect advice to government for years, and he was (quote) ‘extremely shocked’ that an undergrad student had found this out.

ALWAYS*CHECK*THE*WORK*OF*EXPERTS!

struth
struth
November 8, 2022 10:51 am

Good lord.
All departments and institutions have been marched through yet people still rave on like the elections are valid.
It’s gobsmacking.
Victoria is getting Labor no matter who they vote for.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
November 8, 2022 10:52 am

the overwhelming support for #istandwithdan on Twatter, with barely a word of opposition, wasn’t somehow facilitated by the now defunct Asia-Pacific content curation group.

Let’s not forget the Tyranasaurus Rex-sized media analyst squad working for Dan.
Paid by taxpayers to get Dan across the line, no matter what.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 10:53 am

Things continue until it becomes apparent things can’t continue any more. Nothing the Chairman has faced down looks existential – even pepper spraying grandmas in the street. Which says a lot about the Victoriastan majority. (Some commenters get a bit sensitive if you just say Victoriastanis)

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2022 10:53 am

It’s the sum of the vectors I assume.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2022 10:53 am

I’m surprised Indigo Rumblelow doesn’t have danger hair or a nose ring.

Perhaps she eschews all that because they need a few people who look a bit normalish to look slightly more credible when acting as a spokesthing on TV.

Rafiki
Rafiki
November 8, 2022 10:54 am

Mother Lode at 10.39 and a bit later

Please, more in your oratorical mode. These pieces are worth all the scrollling by. They’re better than Tim Blair, and you’re free!

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2022 10:55 am

“I have said it before but I’ll say it again: what does their utter failure to investigate state institutions (especially schools) tell us about the Gillard-McClellan royal commission? Answer: it was nothing but a political hit job on institutions disliked by the hard left.”

At its essence, it was about going after the Catholic Church and the targeting of Cardinal Pell. The RC should have been shut down by Abbott when he won in 2013, or its terms of reference should have been widened. It was another failure of the Abbott PMship.

And the end result? An innocent man went to jail.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 10:56 am

Kennett had police baton charging parents to close down primary schools. At least it’s bipartisan.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 10:57 am

Collision geometry. The vehicle (1) being T-boned must be moving very slowly relative to the vehicle (2) doing the T- boning. If both are at the same speed the collision angle will be 45 degrees. The faster vehicle 1 is going vs vehicle 2 the angle moves to the front. You can draw your own conclusions. It isn’t rocket engineering (well it can be).

Addit:

Unless a glancing sideswipe or very low speed ‘reverse into’ collision, when a car strikes a pedestrian, the impact point is usually along the front bumper. Given the COG of the pedestrian is higher than this, it causes the torso of said pedestrian to rotate around the bonnet edge and come down forcefully on the bonnet. Whilst this is happening, the vehicle is also moving forwards, which causes the torso to slide up the bonnet edge for some distance before the head strike occurs.

The further along the bonnet the head strike occurs, the faster the vehicle was going. Head contacts on the windscreen (as in the Dan case) or roof thus indicate quite high speed impacts.

This is somewhat clouded in the case of a cyclist, who may be travelling much faster than a pedestrian, but nevertheless, my read, based upon the limited information in the pictures, is that the Ford’s right front bumper was the initial contact point, followed by a head strike half way up the windscreen.

Either the bike ran head on into the car at speed (unlikely) or the car struck the cyclist from the side at speed. The latter would appear more likely.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 10:59 am

They’re better than Tim Blair, and you’re free!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v13b2nZS9po

Miltonf
Miltonf
November 8, 2022 11:01 am

Hildebrand writes twee sludge

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2022 11:01 am

I was referred to Perfesser Esterman for advice on how to statistically analyse my data. He told me to use ‘Logisitic Regression Analysis’.

Hehe, ‘Logisitic Regression Analysis’ is one of those magic phrases used to baffle pollies and alphabet agency denizens. Like ‘Ensemble Climate Model’. It works. They don’t have enough education to check themselves, and almost never get a pair of independent eyes in to verify (particularly not if the Logisitic Regression Analysis is feeding into what they want to do anyway.)

At least in my case I had my models and data externally audited by independent statisticians and professional process modelers several times. Which was a good thing for the company to do.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 11:01 am

I may be overestimating the degree of control available to them, but it seems to me that all this stuff coming out about Dan would not be coming out without the imprimatur of Labor. He seems really on the nose so it would be easier to cut him off and give themselves a ‘fresh start’ with a fresh face with minimal known baggage.

If so, why now? Surely they would dump sufficiently before the election to run a ‘fresh face’ and hope to win, or just after it, even if they did win?

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 11:03 am

ALWAYS*CHECK*THE*WORK*OF*EXPERTS!

Since in this instance he basically contradicted his own advice it didn’t require that much effort. 😀

Miltonf
Miltonf
November 8, 2022 11:06 am

Like ive said before bear unlike wa, Victoria actually elected 3 nominally right of centre senators last may. I’m not sure what you’re smug about with your left wing lawyer premier .

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 11:07 am

Duk – it may be now or never. A few have tried and failed already, only to resign or go the crossbench.

Winston Smith
November 8, 2022 11:07 am

Roger:

How the media whitewashed Isis brides These women deserve punishment, not rehabilitation

The whole ‘repatriation’ thing is about seeding another cluster of the Islamic Cancer. The other thing to note is the people who are ‘falling’ for this narrative. They are not innocent dupes, they are willing accomplices acting in common cause with people who want to destroy our culture in a most barbaric war.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 11:08 am

If so, why now? Surely they would dump sufficiently before the election to run a ‘fresh face’ and hope to win, or just after it, even if they did win?

It seems plausible that there’s a clique within the VIC ALP who don’t yet have the numbers to roll Dan but are preparing the ground for the kairos.

Hastening the eschaton, so to speak (hello Dot!).

He must have made quite a few enemies along the way, after all.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 8, 2022 11:11 am

Knowing the area where the “T bone”crash occurred it’s highly likely the kid could cross the road without seeing the car and the car driver not see the kid.
The problem is not with the accident but with the police not following procedure and Dan’s improbable account of the incident that looks like a self serving defence rather than an honest account that saw a kid badly injured.
Dan loves to move on and put his past behaviour in the “do not open” file.
It’s a pity that a road accident that no one would have wished for is the catalyst to examine Andrew’s character rather than the repugnant nature of his brutal covid policies that sort to criminalise decent citizens who questioned his capricious health orders.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 11:13 am

Since in this instance he basically contradicted his own advice it didn’t require that much effort. ?

Ah yes, the Fauci model!

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 11:14 am

Oh dear I seem to have hit a nerve. Not sure too many people would accuse Sneakers of being left wing. We are about to have the police join the nurses in industrial action over pay disputes.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 11:15 am

I open today’s piece with some concrete facts on how Europe’s self-imposed energy crisis resulting from the ban on import of Russian hydrocarbons is making it impossible for your average citizen of France, Belgium and many other countries in the EU to make ends meet

I put some diesel in the Landcruiser today. The purchaser before me had just paid $850 for 350 odd litres.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 8, 2022 11:20 am

On my phone in an 1855 mansion in Natchez, back in Mississippi and now sitting out in a balmy nite clutching my 2nd bourbon and coke looking out from the bluff where this small boutique hotel is positioned, watching barges regularly roll down Ole Man Ribber. I was worried at first that this slightly quirky place may not have Fox News for tonite and tomorrow nite but they do. What a relief or we’d have to move. Left the cousins to their own election squabbles, but can report that no Democrat we’ve met is happy with the Democrats and a red Republican wave is anticipated. Probably it would be secretly welcomed.

Hairy promised my cousin with whom we stayed that he’d definitely have a go on the buffalo gun next time.

It has suddenly turned velvet dark, tine to go in. When we arrived the owner was apologising that our room and the verandah had been subject to a ladybug invasion. They were everywhere. We’re Australian, we can cope, we assured him, but glad we have lots of aeroguard with us.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 11:22 am

The purchaser before me had just paid $850 for 350 odd litres.

Perhaps he is hoping he will have forgotten by the time he goes to fill up again.

Tom
Tom
November 8, 2022 11:24 am

I always felt a bit sorry for Hildebrand. He seemed to want to be like Tim Blair but just lacked the talent.

Joe Hildebrand is Ruperdink Mudrock’s designated Labor voter for all News Corp Australian newspapers and websites.

He doesn’t write “analysis”. He writes pre-arranged propaganda with pre-arranged conclusions.

He got that job because he is a willing gun-for-hire with no professional ethics — perfect, for example, for News Corp’s site for gullible lefties, news.com.au.

He has a young family. I’m guessing he’s on close to $1 million p.a. not counting half a mill or so being a lefty on Network 10’s morning show.

I couldn’t live with myself. But I also don’t have a young family to feed.

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 11:27 am

On the birth numbers – it could be that the Boomers’ babies are finished having babies. Blip, blip, flop.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 8, 2022 11:33 am

This place, Nachez, is an old Mississippi River port, and along with other ports was important for supply lines in the civil war, so battles took place for port control. It is now of course very trendy with refurbishments of cottages and mansions for tourism. These boutique places are always a gamble re what you get for the outrageous charges they want though. Hairy is now having difficulty getting up Fox so is getting very cross. Keep calm, it’s some app, I tell him. Call the manager man with the incomprehensible accent who is standing in for the deaf woman who has lost her hearing aid, I suggest.

… (wait ten minutes)

He does that and it is fixed now. All quiet again on the Mississippi front.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2022 11:36 am

Where’s that quote from Duk? Russian energy is still quite on the nose.

Vucic for the Financial Times:”Serbia rushing to reduce its energy dependency on Russia” (7 Nov)

Serbia is in a hurry to ease its energy dependence on Russia because sanctions against Moscow are forcing Belgrade to make plans to weaken oil and gas ties with its traditional ally, the British newspaper Financial Times reported, quoting the statement of the President of Serbia on the consideration taking over the control over the majority stake in the country’s biggest oil company – the Petroleum Industry of Serbia (NIS) from Russia’s Gazpromneft.

Serbia is keen on getting into the EU of course despite being a long time ally of Russia. I think this counts as a huge backflip as the whole of WW1 was caused by the Serbo-Russian linkage. The aim is to join in 2025, but to do that they have to keep the Eurocrats sweet.

Geopolitics are interesting and very hypocritical. Never stand between a pollie and a bucket of crude oil (so long as it isn’t Russian).

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 11:36 am

I’m just finishing a beautiful old-fashioned German mohair teddy bear for the latest family addition. There hasn’t been a baby born in the entire extended family for over three years, even though all the young cousins are well and truly of marrying/reproducing age.

They just aren’t forming lasting relationships or having babies. From choice. It’s really sad.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 8, 2022 11:37 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/nobodyshares/status/1589754009463975936

CSI : Melbourne

Opening scene
Detective Yemeni “Rukshan,it looks like the cyclist has accidentally hit the car!
Detective,forensic specialist & wedding photographer Rukshan “ Hmmm,that’s interesting because to me this looks like a classic case of DANgerous driving”

Yeaaaaaaah

Zipster
Zipster
November 8, 2022 11:38 am

On the birth numbers – it could be that the Boomers’ babies are finished having babies. Blip, blip, flop.

average of 24k births up to nov 21, where it dropped to 18k and 6k in dec 21. either the numbers are incomplete or there has been a catastrophe

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 11:41 am

I have no problem with the media dredging up the accident story.

They had no problems reporting a possibly punched piece of gyprock. An actual cyclist on life support and an obvious police whitewash makes that first very small beer.

Arky
November 8, 2022 11:41 am

I remember thirty years ago driving the Fairlane back from Walkerville to Melbourne when the alternator light came on just as the sun was going down.
Then Rosie and I got to play “will there be enough charge in the battery to get home” for the next 100km.
Amazingly, the entire world now seems to want to turn all driving into the same exciting experience.
They’ll either have to do a u-turn on the old fossil fuel bans or most people will have to go back to a mainly very limited radius of freedom and get to enjoy the wonderful ambience of public transport. Like it is the 1880s again.
Made it home and found that old voltage regulator had a set of points inside that had fused together. A quick and easy job to fix.
A large chunk of very unwise people are locking us into a future of expensive and limited transportation, in the hope that some future technological solutions will fix the plethora of likely failure points in their plans.
It’s insanity.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 11:41 am

Colonel Crispin Berka at 11:37 – noice

Winston Smith
November 8, 2022 11:42 am

ZK2A:
An ABC spokeswoman said on Monday: “Louise Milligan has abided by all her obligations and has dun nuffing rong.”

Damienski
Damienski
November 8, 2022 11:42 am

Saul was dead and so was his armour bearer.

Saul is dead?
When did this happen?

Thankfully Roger Moore is still in rude good health

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 11:42 am

Even though you will be sent to the gulags.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2022 11:43 am

I love James Woods, he’s good value:

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1589019082132967425 (via Instapundit)

Furries don’t like Elon!

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 11:44 am

Don’t ever be like these cops.

Yep, nowadays my first question during any police interaction is ‘I am going to film this incident for my protection, do you agree to that?’

The next is to repeatedly ask ‘Is that a lawful order’ whenever they ask for ID etc etc etc.

Sad isn’t it? I worked side by side with the Police for decades when I was a Paramedic/Retrieval Dr/Volunteer Fireman. Now my standard position is to assume they are going to hurt/frame me and to be as obstructive as possible.

PS – off to Canberra next week for my trial. I have some interesting video to show the judge – after my Police accusers have sworn to their version of events of course 😉

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
November 8, 2022 11:46 am

My reply to Dutton asking for a donation.

Peter, I will help a Conservative group against the Socialists with money and time. When you get rid of the Birminghams and Keens and return to the conservative side of politics I will help.

Global Warming is a scam and nett zero will end Australia as the lucky country, if you want conservatives to help you must be conservative.

I assure you that I will open my cheque book when the LNP return to their conservative roots and not before.

Waste of my time but can’t resist.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 11:47 am

calli – I thought Abbott punched a brick wall? I’m sure mUnty can tell us.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2022 11:48 am

It was at University. So possibly sandstone.

P
P
November 8, 2022 11:48 am

DOJ Announces Sending Election Enforcement Division to 64 Counties in 24 States to Ensure Correct Votes for Biden Regime
November 7, 2022 | Sundance

In foreign countries when the ruling government sends federal police or military agents of the regime in power to “monitor elections,” U.S. politicians and media call it intimidation, corruption and election fraud. When Joe Biden sends federal police to monitor elections, U.S. politicians and media call it “protecting democracy.” The process is identical.

Comrades, earlier today the political branch of the Dept of Justice announced their dispatch to key Democrat cities and counties in order to support the correct regime voting process. No, really, they did. [LINK]

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 11:49 am

Zippy, there may be a problem with the figures. See here.

Unless there was a humongous number of miscarriages in 2021, the conception month of March saw AZ arrive and given only to the elderly. Younger cohorts received nothing until a couple of months later unless they were considered emergency or essential workers.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2022 11:49 am

The whole ‘repatriation’ thing is about seeding another cluster of the Islamic Cancer.

Presumably in 2019 the security agencies scanned the phone content of the 4 ladies recently returned, and what they found was part of the justification for the advice they gave Dutton not to repatriate them on security grounds.

There are instances of Islamists being deradicalised, but even the “experts” concede that success is difficult to achieve. It certainly wouldn’t be likely to happen given the attitudes prevailing in those secure camps in Syria, which the author of that article gave a first hand insight into.

calli
calli
November 8, 2022 11:51 am

I thought Abbott punched a brick wall?

Smart. Masonry tells no tales as it’s bound to secrecy.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 8, 2022 11:51 am

A large chunk of very unwise people are locking us into a future of expensive and limited transportation, in the hope that some future technological solutions will fix the plethora of likely failure points in their plans. It’s insanity.

Nope, its malice, Hanlon’s razor goes only so far…..

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