Joseph’s Dream, Rembrandt, 1645
Open Thread – Tue 29 Nov 2022
2,092 responses to “Open Thread – Tue 29 Nov 2022”
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This “no Crown” stuff is simply a revolt, what you do with it is the revolution.
The no Crown idea doesn’t go far enough, what we need, as G R R Martin would say, is the “break the wheel”.
International permanent digital health passports.
Permanent health based emergency powers.
Popularise mental health issues.
Ceding of rights given mental illness.
Use of mental illness to inflict anarcho tyranny and to curtail a presumption of innocence.
Use of a health mandate to create a common enemy, create outcasts and ignore and abuse Parliamentary oversight of civil executive government in a democracyChris Carter wasn’t far off using FEMA as the archetype as the keystone to tyranny.
Watch the song video, watch the mini film for the whole damned album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4duZjxusGM
Queensrÿche – Eyes Of A Stranger
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Queensryche – Operation: Mindcrime
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They will force compliance one way or the other and will not have any problems with conscience in breaking her
Give her some ammo. They started talking about racism and segued in trans, so throw that back at them …
“If it’s not ok for a person to put on blackface and pretend to be black, why is it ok for a man to put on woface and pretend to be a woman?” -
A son asked his mother the following question “Mum, why are wedding dresses white?” The mother looks at her son and replies “Son, this shows your friends and relatives that your bride is pure”. The son thanks his mum and goes off to double-check this with his father. “Dad why are wedding dresses white?” The father looks at his son in surprise and says “Son, all household appliances come in white”.
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Cassie
As for Prince William
He has already drunk the coolaid – same as that spineless Harry. For a while now he has been spruiking glowball warmening. Now its racism, no doubt in a vain attempt to fend off another book by sparkles boltons. He will be in a tutu dancing in the alphabet mardi gras next.
Those with spines died with Prince Phillip and Queen Elizabeth – although Anne is made of stouter heart but no chance at running the show.
The Royals are rooted.
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Roger:
The sentence may be a bit harsh but the right to peaceful assembly and protest doesn’t include the right to block a lane of traffic in peak hour.
Harsh?
I’d have nailed their heads to a chair and given them 25 lashes with a rattan cane.
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Ed Casesays:
December 2, 2022 at 8:05 pm
He hasn’t been found Not Guilty, but on the brightish side, he’s not in jail.
A normal person would be advised to count their blessings and get on with their life, but you’re saying this isn’t a normal person, SpongeBob?A normal person would recognise and respect the concept of “innocent until proven guilty”, but you are not a normal person, are you, Richard Cranium?
And how can he “get on with [his] life”, with the undoubted animosity of all the “right-on” people directed at him? No job prospects within Australia, and anywhere in the English-speaking world the 7Nilagains and cane toads of Australia will poison the well against him.
You are an idiot.
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Harsh?
I question the justification for prison terms for non-violent first offenders.
Go ahead…call me a flaming liberal.
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That being said, there’s clearly an imperative to establish an effective deterrent for “this sort of thing.”
The climate activists upped the ante, the state has responded in kind.
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Feeling on a more ethereal plane this evening, Cats. Had two hours today closely experiencing an exquisite beauty in a flash restaurant in Sydney, while chowing down on some very tasty foodstuffs and imbibing a beautiful beer while listening to some jazz.
Like being in a dream. A very, very good dream (to paraphrase Arwen).
The mighty tune above might give some of you a hint as to the theme of tomorrow night’s radio show …
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Hey Cats, we all appear to be laid low griping about the sheer unrelenting idiocy of modern existence on this planet, which it must be admitted, is largely rubbish. Except when it isn’t, as I experienced today, for a veritable blink of an eye in the greater scheme of things.
Don’t ever stop looking for those diamonds in the dirt, you poor crazy kids. 🙂
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A normal person would recognise and respect the concept of “innocent until proven guilty”,
No, a normal person would think
He got off, so if he’s got any sense, he’ll keep his head down and get on with his life.
A normal person would not think
Hey, I got off, why don’t I play the victim and try to make a quid out of it? -
Anne is the only sane one left, at least among the adults.
Prince Wm. seems a decent chap, but I have difficulty imagining that he can form an independent thought.
I suspect his public abandonment Lady Hussey for falling prey to a set up by a race baiter was due to the influence of those dreaded “advisers.”
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Richard Cranium
No, a normal person would think
He got off, so if he’s got any sense, he’ll keep his head down and get on with his life.
A normal person would not think
Hey, I got off, why don’t I play the victim and try to make a quid out of it?Richard Cranium demonstrates (as if we didn’t already know) that he is not a normal person.
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Jerry Garcia’s sublime guitar solos to console you
Not to mention the Lesh’s sartorial image at Altamont …
A question for the ages, Cats – which sartorial image came first – Cap’n America or the Lesh at Altamont?
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Prince Wm. seems a decent chap, but I have difficulty imagining that he can form an independent thought.
Prince Williams is a nasty, but stupid piece of work.
He’s got no intention of waiting 20+ years to be King, so he’s going to allow himself to be used by the Murdoch Press to bring down King Chazza asap. -
Most certainly am, Dover.
With what is hopefully a theme that will allow many, many permutations …
And yeah – no more hints (thanks, Wally). A certain group of Cats already know what it is.
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Fonda’s models for those roles were Roger McGuinn …
Thanks Rog, so presumably the Lesh just rode in off their coattails (it was ’69 after all).
I’ve still got my green McGuinn glasses from the early Eighties.
Talk about sacred cultural artefacts.
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Thanks Rog, so presumably the Lesh just rode in off their coattails (it was ’69 after all).
Yep, it was the vibe.
As it happens, I didn’t know about this until a few weeks ago when I was watching an interview with McGuinn.
Makes sense, as Fonda also invited The Byrds to appear on the soundtrack.
PS
Lesh is one the great rock bassists, which is something as he only picked up the instrument after Jerry Garcia asked him to because he had a gap to fill in the first iteration of the Dead.OK…over and out from me.
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I love the format of the Australian Open golf championship with both men and women on the same golf course at the same time.
A little bit like the gold letter tournament named after my late father and step mother
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Didn’t the hunchback have one in victoristan.
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And this can’t be a coincidence:
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custard says:
December 2, 2022 at 10:15 pm
My older brother was paired with an 80 year old woman who was an eleven time woman’s champion of the BGC . I played with them in the first round and from 100m in, she had the ball on a string!Just wonderful to see
Ah, that Lizzie. Probably had a dancing class earlier that morning.
Hairy caddy for the day ?
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I caught up with a friend this evening. Both of us are mystified how Dan was returned with an increased majority to Vic after he had inflicted so much authoritarian socialism to the state.
My friend shared his experience at his workplace. Politics became the discussion point. Je raised the question how Dan could be returned as Premier of Vic. ? The 20 somethings thought it was a no brainer. Dan is a lovely guy and shares his daily thoughts and achievements with them daily. ‘He always has a positive message!’.
As my friend still has another couple of years in the workforce he bit his tongue whilst wanting to say ‘you will own this debt til the end of your working life and some…’ -
From The Oz…
Police doubted Brittany Higgins but case was ‘political’
The most senior police officer on the Brittany Higgins case believed there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Bruce Lehrmann but could not stop the ACT Director of Public Prosecutions from proceeding because “there is too much political interference”, according to diary notes made by the ACT Police Manager of Criminal Investigations, Detective Superintendent Scott Moller.
In a separate executive briefing last year, Superintendent Moller advised that investigators “have serious concerns in relation to the strength and reliability of [Ms Higgins’] evidence but also more importantly her mental health and how any future prosecution may affect her wellbeing”.
On Friday the ACT DPP, Shane Drumgold SC, withdrew the charges against Mr Lehrmann, citing concerns for Ms Higgins’ mental health, so his retrial – set down for February – will no longer proceed. The original trial was aborted in October due to juror misconduct.
The executive briefing lists a series of concerns by senior police, including that Ms Higgins had repeatedly refused to provide her original mobile phone; had deliberately deleted messages from a second phone; had lied about seeking medical attention after the incident; and had joked about wanting “a sex scandal” a month before the incident. Some became issues at the trial.
The briefing, dated June 9, 2021, states that “there is limited corroborative evidence of sexual intercourse taking place or consent being withdrawn or not provided”.
An attached minute signed by Detective Inspector Marcus Boorman, the investigation manager assigned to the case, states: “Investigators at this juncture have a number of concerns regarding inconsistencies in disclosures and other evidence obtained during the investigation. In light of the issues identified, serious concerns exist as to whether there is sufficient evidence to prove the alleged offence.”
The documents obtained by The Weekend Australian also reveal that Ms Higgins texted boyfriend David Sharaz in May last year saying: “F..k it, if they want to play hard ball I’ll cry on The Project again because of this sort of treatment.”
None of the texts or the police doubts about the case were revealed to the jury.
Superintendent Moller made notes of a conversation with his boss, ACT Deputy Chief Police Officer Michael Chew, on June 17 last year while discussing Operation Covina – the Higgins/Lehrmann sexual assault case.
At that point in the investigation, The Weekend Australian understands, more than half of the witness list had yet to be interviewed by police, but it appears the DPP, led by Mr Drumgold, had already decided to prosecute.
In the diary note, Superintendent Moller wrote: “Insufficient evidence to proceed.
“DCPO [Mr Chew] advised he had a meeting with DPP who stated they will recommend prosecution. DCPO stated ‘if it was my choice I wouldn’t proceed. But it’s not my choice. There is too much political interference’. I said: ‘That’s disappointing given I think there is insufficient evidence’.”
The following day Superintendent Moller forwarded a copy of the interim brief of evidence to Commander Andrew Smith to conduct an independent review of the investigation. The result of that review is not known.
Ms Higgins first spoke to police on April 1, 2019, a week after the events at Parliament House, but informed them two weeks later she did not wish to continue with the allegations. On February 5, 2021, she re-engaged with police, telling them she had been interviewed by the media and didn’t want to do an evidence-in-chief interview until her interview with The Project host Lisa Wilkinson had aired on television.
The following day “police advised Ms Higgins the intended media events … may jeopardise any subsequent criminal investigation; however Ms Higgins made it clear to police she was not willing to provide investigators with a formal statement in relation to the allegations until the media stories had been published. Ms Higgins stated that she wanted to ensure the sexual assault investigation was ‘active’ in anticipation of the media events.”
The TV program aired on February 15 and Ms Higgins sat down with police for her evidence-in-chief interview nine days later.
At that interview investigators reiterated to her the need to examine her mobile phone for potential evidence. “Ms Higgins refused to hand over her phone despite being explained the evidential value of the process,” the police report says.
The AFP statement of facts prepared by Superintendent Moller reflects police frustration over difficulties in obtaining Ms Higgins’ mobile phone after the interview to extract data.
On March 15, when police had arranged for a second time to meet Ms Higgins to obtain the phone, she failed to turn up or to respond to calls. “During the afternoon on the same date police observed Ms Higgins on commercial television at the March4Justice march at Parliament House,” Superintendent Moller wrote.
“She attended the location and gave a speech to the persons present.”
On May 5, 2021, Superintendent Moller was informed that ACT Victims of Crime Commissioner Heidi Yates had advised that any contact with Ms Higgins was now to go to her rather than directly to Ms Higgins.
Three weeks later, Superintendent Moller and other detectives met Ms Higgins, who was accompanied by Ms Yates, at the Winchester Police Centre in Canberra, where she gave a second interview.
“During this conversation I stressed to Ms Higgins the importance of refraining from participating in any media interviews in relation to this matter,” Superintendent Moller says in his police statement.
On this occasion Ms Higgins handed over a mobile phone.
Police recovered a text exchange between Ms Higgins and former boyfriend Ben Dillaway dated February 7, 2019, six weeks before the alleged rape, in which the pair joked about wanting a political sex scandal.
“The bar for what counts as a political sex scandal nowadays is REALLY low,” Ms Higgins wrote.
“I want a sex scandal I can be like whoa. Impressive. Didn’t think he had it in him,” Mr Dillaway wrote.
“Exactly! A sex scandal the party can be proud of. Another Barnaby but without the baby haha,” Ms Higgins responded.
On July 12 last year Superintendent Moller again met Ms Higgins and Ms Yates, this time at AFP headquarters in Brisbane to update her on the investigation.
“Ms Higgins advised that any photos taken on the night of the incident were saved on her Google drive attached to her iCloud but she could not recall taking any photos.
“Ms Higgins advised (of) the photo of an injury to her leg she took herself on WhatsApp during budget week, however she could not recall the exact date. Ms Higgins advised she shared this photo with The Project on 19 January 2021.
“Ms Higgins advised she had seven iPhones since 2019, most had been supplied by the government as part of her work and they had been returned when she changed jobs, however Ms Higgins was happy for police to take the old phones she had.”
During the conversation Superintendent Moller showed Ms Higgins text messages between herself and Mr Sharaz on May 21, 2021 about her sending him an audio file because she was “clearing out her phone ahead of the police”.
“Ms Higgins told me that the files she had sent to David Sharaz and deleted from her phone related to taped conversations of her talking to various ministers and she was concerned she had committed an offence by taping the ministers so she didn’t want the police to find them.”
Ms Yates returned later that day and handed over two iPhones from Ms Higgins.
What a fucking disgrace.
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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
December 2, 2022 at 7:35 pmThe Lehrmann trial is over – but it will never really be over
Jacqueline Maley
By Jacqueline Maley
December 2, 2022 — 2.04pmAnother one the accused should add to the list of people who have defamed him.
The article all but says that he is guilty, describing the accuser as ‘brave’ and so on. The sympathetic guff about her mental elf (no concern for his) yada yada.
It’s time someone put a stop to this trial by media, targeting the perps, and Bruce is in the catbird seat.
Since his employment prospects are not promising, a few hefty settlements would go a long way.
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Sounded a bit soppy there, Rabz. Please, all that wailing wimmenses stuff leaves this wimmenses cold.
How about some sex and energy, not something that sucks all of it out of the room?
Like this.
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Our taxes at work at TheirGreensALPBC via Sky News Australia:
ABC produces ‘trivial garbage’ on passing gas and ‘societal sexism’
Presenter is Shit Stains (Yumi Stynes).FMD
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The most senior police officer on the Brittany Higgins case believed there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Bruce Lehrmann but could not stop the ACT Director of Public Prosecutions from proceeding …
What a difference a few hundred kilometres makes. Would never have that problem in Melbournibad for an enemy of the regime.
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n 80 year old woman
Ah, that LizzeeShe’s busy redefining the term “sprightly”.
True nuff. I drove quite a bit of the way to Coffs today, giving Hairy a break from the US trip where I didn’t drive at all. We set off late because yesterday my second son had sent me fifteen emails thru the day (i didn’t check my email) about how he’d lost his new phone I just got him (the fourth lost in 2 years) and could I check my car because when on Wednesday I’d dropped off some paperwork I was doing for him (another issue) he’d probably left it there. He’d just come back from collecting butts on the street, he said in the emails, as they all do around his way; obviously the $100 I’d given him last Monday for food had been spent on smokes smoked already, but without his phone he couldn’t do the sales work he was going to do to get himself out of his financial hole, so would I please immediately get him another phone (they’re always in my name and on my credit card). No, I said, I couldn’t. I then found the fone in the car and asked Hairy could we drop it round to him in Redfern on our way up to Qld. Plus ca change there then, says Hairy wearily, and I mumble about unmedicated bipolar disorder and I’m trying to keep him working, so Hairy is in a crabby mood as we struggle thru Sydney traffic to son’s place before we hit the North Connect, and he didn’t get any happier until after a delightful gourmet repast and a cup of bitter coffee at Makkas in Wyong.
Finally we get to our pit stop Coffs Harbour motel (not the usual resort one but supposed to be 3 star plus) and Hairy’s ipad won’t work on their internet and their fridge doesn’t work so his beer’s still warm, and I sort this out with the nice woman at Reception, who fixes both as only women can. Then I try for the third time to call the Cat Sitter who was supposed to arrive at ours at noon and give Attapuss his lunch, and get no response, and freak out because I hadn’t left him any food, so we ring the neighbours who say noone is at ours where there is an uncollected parcel at the front door for hours, and we tell them where the secret key is hidden in our open storeroom, and they can’t find it, so I ring our dependable lawyer son to go round with his key, and he is also not answering his phone. I am contemplating getting the police to do a welfare check on Attapuss (would they?) and having to change the front door locks because as warned here this lovely young lass from Peru is probably on her way now to try her luck on the southern US border having organised with her gang a heist on our furniture for tomorrow …. etc, as thoughts do tend to drift.
At 8.15 she rang me, she’s there, the neighbours have spoken with her, and she is delightful to them, they are happy and no longer worried about heists. She apologies about her phone having no battery power during my increasingly frantic calls and texts; she had been stuck in traffic returning from another Cat Sit outside Sydney. Attapuss is fed and all is well with the home front. Meanwhile Hairy has been watching All Quiet on the Western Front on Netflix, which I saw with my cousin in America but which he missed, so I’ve spent time looking at the Cat with half an eye still on the trenches.
Small beer for the most part, but I guess it does all keep me sprightly. 🙂
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Fair Shake @ 10.52pm
The 20 somethings thought it was a no brainer. Dan is a lovely guy and shares his daily thoughts and achievements with them daily. ‘He always has a positive message!’.
I’m amazed people this dumb managed to land a job. I hope they’re employed where they cannot do any harm.
Probably most of what I employ are extremely low information voters. However none, NONE, have ever given such a stupid reason for how they decide their vote.
Some have had some offbeat reasons, some have arrived at conclusions I struggle to reconcile with, however none have ever been so utterly clueless about the real world as to accuse a politician of being a “lovely guy” (or gal).
“He always has a positive message” FMD, neither do I recall any of my staff believing anything a politician says.& I’ve employed some pretty bluddee dumb people at times.
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FMD its an invasion
Every Single Publicly Listed Australian in the World Economic Forum
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.
An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BC – 43 BC)
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