Open Thread – Tue 10 Jan 2023


The Siesta, Camille Pissarro, 1899


2,386 responses to “Open Thread – Tue 10 Jan 2023”

  1. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Textbook example of Dunning-Kruger:

    I am yet to hear any serious attempt to answer the question of how Pell could have sued for wrongful conviction when he was never convicted at all.

    There’s a reason this dickhead’s verbal vomit is something quite a few choose to not bother reading.

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  3. m0nty Avatar

    Well said, Kneel.

  4. alwaysright Avatar
    alwaysright

    You have to admire its ability to hijack a thread. Now that it has achieved its aim, please forget it and move on.

  5. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Yes, Lysander, he retracted the original comment the next day.
    But I guess it reveals a character flaw which we have seen more than once. He bends over backwards to try to appear even-handed, often in error.
    His rants about Trump are another example.

  6. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “…But no-one has no need to …”
    Noone has ANY need

  7. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0ntysays:
    January 11, 2023 at 2:51 pm
    How can you sue for wrongful conviction if you were never convicted?

    You don’t. You sue for malicious and wrongful conviction, you dolt.

  8. rosie Avatar

    when he was never convicted at all.

    Clearly there was a point in time when he was convicted.

    Still this is a sideshows.
    A great loss, no doubt hastened by his treatment at the hands of Vic pol and the courts.
    He will rest easy but I hope he’s a burden on the conscience of Dan Andrews et al.
    I expect he will be Australia’s second saint.

  9. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Lysandersays:
    January 11, 2023 at 3:00 pm
    The commission had found that Pell was aware children were being sexually abused within the Archdiocese of Ballarat by the notorious paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale.

    Utter tosh. The commission “believed” this – but they did not “find” it.

    Strangely, despite Paul Bungjourno having the same living arrangements as Cdl Pell (in relation to Ridsdale), no such finding was made about Bungjourno.

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  10. m0nty Avatar

    LOL, I finally broke the ChatBJ bot.

  11. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “m0nty says:
    January 11, 2023 at 3:50 pm

    Well said, Kneel.”

    Let me be clear M0nty – I don’t particularly like you or your views in general terms.
    But this is a text based medium, and it is very easy to get the wrong idea of what people are trying to say.
    In this particular case, I simply presented the case that what you said, when you said it, was reasonable. That I never agreed with your PoV is irrelevant – just as everyone, you deserve the right to be treated fairly given the facts to hand. That is all. Personally, I found your comments at the time despicable and have and would never agree with them. But you had right to say them.

  12. Bourne1879 Avatar
    Bourne1879

    Rockdoctor,
    Allegedly !
    .
    If there were such stories they might have been circulating since about 2 years ago.

  13. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    I have just heard from a friend in Rome who had Pell around only two days ago – “he was in fine spirits and was in the company of those who love him.”

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  14. m0nty Avatar

    Fair enough, Kneel.

    We can agree to disagree on our opinions, but we should agree on a common set of facts otherwise things get a bit pear-shaped.

  15. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Clearly there was a point in time when he was convicted.”

    Yes, but since the HC decision, that “conviction: is negated, annulled, cleared, obliterated, something the puerile little rockroach aka the fat fascist effwit, refuses to acknowledge. He wants to continue to think of Cardinal Pell as guilty of a crime, regardless of the facts and regardless of the HC decision.

  16. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0ntysays:
    January 11, 2023 at 3:19 pm
    Quash
    To overthrow; to annul;

    Yeah, so what?

    I am yet to hear any serious attempt to answer the question of how Pell could have sued for wrongful conviction when he was never convicted at all.

    You are even slower and more stupid than usual today m0nty=fa. He could (and IMHO, should) have sued for malicious and wrongful conviction, you dolt. And then sued Louse Nilligan and the individual sleazebags at Their ABC who supported her personally for defamation.

  17. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “LOL, I finally broke the ChatBJ bot.”

    I don’t think so. You couldn’t break a wafer biscuit.

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  18. Zipster Avatar

    The giant $30bn Sun Cable project, one of the country’s largest renewable developments, has fallen into administration.

    bugger, it’s too early. they should have lost a lot more

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  19. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    The two billionaires are understood to have different views on the optimal funding package and strategic vision for the project.

    Any differing views won’t be quenched with their own money

  20. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    The giant $30bn Sun Cable project, one of the country’s largest renewable developments, has fallen into administration.

    Bwahahahaha! A project which made the bankrupt Desertec project look like a walk in the park?
    How unthinkable that such a heroic and virtuous concept be complete bollocks?

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  21. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0ntysays:
    January 11, 2023 at 4:04 pm
    Fair enough, Kneel.

    We can agree to disagree on our opinions, but we should agree on a common set of facts otherwise things get a bit pear-shaped.

    And the common fact is that the claims made in court were at all times physically impossible.

  22. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Johanna:

    Even after his death, they can’t stop propagating the lies and innuendos. As the saying goes, if you are attracting flak, you are well over the target.

    I’m not a Catholic, BTW.

    I’m not a Christian Johanna.
    It doesn’t take one to see the bastardry that was enacted on this man.

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  23. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    Nicely said Mr Dutton…

    Dutton slams ‘modern-day political persecution’ of Pell
    Rosie Lewis

    Peter Dutton has urged the Victorian Labor government and state institutions to reflect on the “modern-day political persecution” of Cardinal George Pell, as he remembered the highest-ranked Australian Catholic as a “fierce defender” of his faith and Christian ideals.

    The Opposition Leader acknowledged Cardinal Pell’s death would be felt in the Vatican and by Catholics around the world and said his appointment as a Cardinal in 2003 “was a good day for Australia and for the Catholic Church here”.

    “He brought the World Youth Day and Pope Benedict XVI to Sydney in 2008 – a time of immense joy for young Australian Catholics and Catholic pilgrims from across the world who visited our shores,” Mr Dutton said.

    “His advocacy for Catholic education and a fair go for Catholic and independent schools – particularly when they were under attack in 2004 – has ensured that equitable funding arrangements are now embedded in Australia’s education policy.

    “A fierce defender of the Catholic faith and Christian ideals, Dr Pell made friends and enemies along the way.”

    Joining former Liberal prime ministers John Howard and Tony Abbott in commenting on Cardinal Pell’s quashed conviction for child sex assault charges, Mr Dutton said: “On his passing, the fact he spent a year in prison for a conviction that the High Court of Australia unanimously quashed should provide some cause for reflection for the Victorian Labor Government and its institutions that led this modern-day political persecution.

    “Pell never lost faith in his god, his country, and in justice – despite the tests and trials he endured in life.””

    It was and remains Australia’s “Dreyfus affair”.

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  24. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    ““Clearly there was a point in time when he was convicted.”

    Yes, but since the HC decision,”

    Yes Cassie, quite so.
    M0nty’s point is that during the interval between the two events, it could be said he was “convicted”.
    And he should no more be expected to retract what he said in that time, than someone should need to go back and change “wife” to “ex-wife” after a divorce – it was accurate at the time it was said.

    As I said, I often find M0nty’s opinions offensive. As do many others, apparently you included. That is no reason to suspect the worst possible interpretation of what he says is what he actually meant – most especially on a text based forum. You lose so much context in such fora, misunderstandings are easy enough without “looking” for reasons to be abrasive. If it rubs you up the wrong way, better to ignore it in most cases, IMO (although I am as guilty of not doing so as anyone else here, so take that as you will).

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It was and remains Australia’s “Dreyfus affair”

    Fairly apt comparison.

  26. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “And the common fact is that the claims made in court were at all times physically impossible.”

    Yes – the law is an ass sometimes. But it is the only system we have… and in the end it did get it right, so there is that.
    This sort of mistake is one reason I can never support capital punishment – you can’t un-kill someone.

  27. Robert Sewell Avatar

    TFM:

    • Each region decides how best to draw its voice members (i.e. election, nomination/expressions of interest/selection, drawing on structures based in traditional law and custom, or a combination) and how many voice members there will be

    Yep.
    There’s the mechanism by which the “Big Men” will run the Shadow Government.
    Be prepared to enlarge the list of Billionaires created over the next couple of years, and remember what happens when the ballot box is no longer working.
    This is going to be a disaster for Australia.

  28. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “…we should agree on a common set of facts otherwise things get a bit pear-shaped.”

    Can we agree that you are abrasive and not well liked here?

  29. m0nty Avatar

    He wants to continue to think of Cardinal Pell as guilty of a crime, regardless of the facts and regardless of the HC decision.

    That is not true. I have never said that. Don’t put words in my mouth, Cranky. There are enough words in there without you adding some.

  30. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Kneel

    As I said, I often find M0nty’s opinions offensive. As do many others, apparently you included. That is no reason to suspect the worst possible interpretation of what he says is what he actually meant – most especially on a text based forum. You lose so much context in such fora, misunderstandings are easy enough without “looking” for reasons to be abrasive.

    Yet in m0nty=fa’s case, the context that is lost is always in one direction only. He always comes across as a nasty individual when he comments on any subject that does not fall into line with his self-proclaimed political opinions.

  31. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    The giant $30bn Sun Cable project, one of the country’s largest renewable developments, has fallen into administration.

    The company is backed by both Mike Cannon-Brookes and Andrew Forrest, and was building a major solar project in the Northern Territory and a cable to power Darwin and Singapore.

    The two billionaires are understood to have different views on the optimal funding package and strategic vision for the project.

    The ‘optimal funding package’ would have been Australian taxpayers putting up the money and taking all the risk. Same goes for ‘strategic vision.’

    I remember me and BoN discussing this pie in the sky fantasy in the early days.

    In engineering terms, it was a nightmare. In financial terms, it didn’t stack up.

    Yet, gullible politicians were all over it like a rash. Waving chequebooks.

    If somebody could let me know the email of the head of Treasury in the NT, I have a Nigerian prince he needs to get in touch with.

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  32. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    Looking up, it seems that everyone is talking about monty.

    Sucked in by the troll every time, it seems.

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  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Dutton slams ‘modern-day political persecution’ of Pell
    Rosie Lewis
    ROSIE LEWIS

    Peter Dutton has urged the Victorian Labor government and state institutions to reflect on the “modern-day political persecution” of Cardinal George Pell, as he remembered the highest-ranked Australian Catholic as a “fierce defender” of his faith and Christian ideals.

    The Opposition Leader acknowledged Cardinal Pell’s death would be felt in the Vatican and by Catholics around the world and said his appointment as a Cardinal in 2003 “was a good day for Australia and for the Catholic Church here”.

    “He brought the World Youth Day and Pope Benedict XVI to Sydney in 2008 – a time of immense joy for young Australian Catholics and Catholic pilgrims from across the world who visited our shores,” Mr Dutton said.

    “His advocacy for Catholic education and a fair go for Catholic and independent schools – particularly when they were under attack in 2004 – has ensured that equitable funding arrangements are now embedded in Australia’s education policy.

    “A fierce defender of the Catholic faith and Christian ideals, Dr Pell made friends – and enemies – along the way.”

    Joining former Liberal prime ministers John Howard and Tony Abbott in commenting on Cardinal Pell’s quashed conviction for child sex assault charges, Mr Dutton said: “On his passing, the fact he spent a year in prison for a conviction that the High Court of Australia unanimously quashed should provide some cause for reflection for the Victorian Labor Government and its institutions that led this modern-day political persecution.

    “Pell never lost faith in his god, his country, and in justice – despite the tests and trials he endured in life.”

  34. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    I might fly to Sydney for the funeral – I know many others that are planning it now…

  35. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Zipster:

    16:11 Russia to Buy Back China’s Aircraft Carrier

    I can think of multiple reasons why China wouldn’t sell the carrier back to Russia. And many more reasons the Russians wouldn’t buy it.
    This has to be the naval variant of the Shell Game.

  36. m0nty Avatar

    Can we agree that you are abrasive and not well liked here?

    Yes on the latter, as for the former… yes, well, I deliberately abrade those whose rough edges stick out like the tines of a swastika. I don’t try to abrade anyone who speaks in good faith and has truth-based opinions. Not as many of those here as there are those who use illogical arguments and lack a firm grasp on reality.

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    George Pell, Lindy Chamberlain: Injustices like these must not be allowed to happen again Chris Merritt

    4:00PM January 11, 2023

    George Pell, an innocent man, spent 405 days in prison after two great institutions failed to discharge their responsibilities in a proper manner: the justice system and the media.

    The result was one of the worst miscarriages of justice in Australian history, ranking alongside the murder conviction of Lindy Chamberlain after her baby had actually been taken by a dingo.

    The fact that the Pell and Chamberlain convictions were eventually overturned is no compensation for the damage that was inflicted. These injustices cannot be allowed to happen again.

    The clearest lesson from the Pell affair is the need to bolster the presumption of innocence. This is the golden thread that is supposed to run through the justice system, protecting us from the kind of hysteria that almost destroyed the cardinal.
    Timeline

    June 8, 1941: George Pell is born Ballarat, Victoria.

    1959: Pell signs as a ruckman for the Richmond Football Club.

    1960: Pell begins priesthood studies at Corpus Christi College in Werribee. 

    December 16, 1966: Pell is ordained a priest at St. Peter’s Basilica. 

    1971: Pell earns a Doctor of Philosophy degree in Church History from Oxford University.

    1971: Pell becomes a curate in the parish of Swan Hill on the Murray River.

    1973: Pell becomes a priest at St Alipius in Ballarat East. He remains there until 1983.

    November, 1973: Pell is appointed Ballarat diocese’s Vicar for Education and Principal of the Catholic Teachers college, Aquinas College.

    1982: Pell earns a Master of Education degree from Monash University, Melbourne.

    1984: Pell becomes rector of Corpus Christi College in Clayton.

    1991: Pell becomes the inaugural Pro-Chancellor for the new Australian Catholic University. 

    May 21, 1987: Pell is consecrated the seventh bishop for the Archdiocese of Melbourne.

    1987: Pell becomes chair of Australian Catholic Relief. The job which he held over nine years took him around to the world’s poorest ares.

    1990: Pell joins the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – the Church’s main body defending faith and morals, led by the scholarly German cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

    1996: Pell is appointed Archbishop of Melbourne by Pope John Paul II. He sets up the Melbourne Response to respond to victims of sexual abuse within the Church.

    December 16, 1996: Pell is ordained in St Peter’s Basilica

    1997: Pell seeks an injunction under blasphemy laws to stop controverial artwork from being shown

    2001: Pell becomes the eighth Archbishop of Sydney. He holds that position until 2014. 

    2003: Pell is elevated to a cardinal.

    2005: Pell is awarded the Companion of the Order of Australia for “for services to the Catholic Church in Australia and internationally”.

    2005: Pell participates in the conclave that elected Pope Benedict XVI.

    July 20, 2008: Pell holds a Saturday night vigil and Sunday Mass with Pope Benedict XVI at Randwick Racecourse for World Youth Day. 500,000 young people from 200 countries in attended the five-day Catholic youth festival. Only July 19, Pope Benedict XVI made a historic apology to victims of child sex abuse by priests.

    2013: Pell participates in the conclave that elected Pope Francis.

    May, 2013: Pell appears before the parliamentary inquiry into child sex abuse and the Catholic Church. He apologises for clergy sex abuse.

    March 1, 2014: Pell becomes Vatican prefect for the Secretariat for Economy, which means he is responsible for the Vatican’s budget.

    June 29, 2017: Pell is charged with historical sex offences.

    July 27, 2017: Hearings begin. He pleads not guilty to five charges of historical sexual assault of two 13-year-old choiceboys. 

    August 15, 2018: Cardinal Pell’s first of two trials for historical sexual assault charges begins in Melbourne County Court.

    September 20, 2018: The jury in the trial is discharged after it is unable to decide on a verdict.

    November 7, 2018: Retrial begins. 

    December 11, 2018: Pell is found guilty of five charges of sexual assault in the Melbourne County Court but it cannot be reported on until February 26, 2019 , when prosecutors abandoned the second trial.

    March, 2019: Pell is sentenced to six years in prison.

    April 7, 2020: Pell appeals against his conviction in the High Court and wins after losing his first appeal in the Victorian Court of Appeal on August 21, 2019. He is released from Barwon Prison after 400 days in custody.

    September 30, 2020: Pell returns to the Vatican.

    January 3, 2023: Pell attends the funeral of his friend Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI inside St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican. 

    January 11, 2023: Pell dies in Salvator Mundi hospital from complications related to a hip-replacement operation. 

    But there is another lesson: despite years of public hostility by much of the media, Pell had no way of avoiding the risk of a biased jury by seeking to be tried by a judge alone.

    That option was not available in Victoria, just as it was not available in the ACT for the man accused of raping Brittany Higgins – another case in which there was a clear risk of a biased jury pool after massive prejudicial publicity.

    Trial by jury is an ancient right. But no right is absolute. When it comes into conflict with the right to a fair trial, NSW has shown that judge-alone trials are a viable option.

    In the Pell case, many of those in public life – and that includes the media – forgot that they had an interest in upholding the presumption of innocence. By standing back and allowing the courts to do their work, they could have avoided looking like fools once the High Court had ruled.

    Instead, significant parts of the media – particularly the ABC – proved they were not immune from the anti-Pell frenzy that swept through parts of society. They overlooked the distinction between an accusation and a proven fact.

    The Australian’s Legal Affairs Contributor Chris Merritt says Cardinal George Pell died an innocent man despite… the frenzied “lynch mob” which opposed him. Cardinal George Pell has died at the age of 81 with Vatican Media confirming he passed away in Rome after complications from hip replacement surgery. In More

    In his book Cardinal Pell, the Media Pile-On & Collective Guilt, Gerard Henderson has produced a list of journalists and commentators “who took part in the Pell pile-on over around two decades”. That list, in small type, covers almost a full page.

    The Pell affair, just like the Dreyfus affair in France, will forever taint this country’s reputation, and leave a doubt about whether we are really the land of the fair go.

    There can be little doubt that Dreyfus, a Jewish army officer, was persecuted because of his religion. That happened on the other side of the planet. But more than a century later, the Pell case shows that little has changed.

    The only skerrick of honour from this affair was salvaged by the great dissenting judgment of Mark Weinberg, who refused to go along with the rest of the Victorian Court of Appeal in upholding the flawed jury verdict.

    Weinberg’s dissent, which provided the framework for the cardinal’s successful appeal to the High Court, demolished the prosecution’s case.

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  38. Dunny Brush Avatar
    Dunny Brush

    A former Sano taskforce walloper and Ms Milligan are wallowing in a bit of a Pell death twitter love back and forth for those that are interested…..

  39. dover0beach Avatar

    How can you sue for wrongful conviction if you were never convicted?

    You can sue for wrongful conviction if and only if you were wrongfully convicted, not if you were merely convicted.

  40. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Lysandersays:

    January 11, 2023 at 4:36 pm

    I might fly to Sydney for the funeral – I know many others that are planning it now…

    I hope the Church carefully vets attendees.
    It is prime for a “serial pest” type grandstanding stunt.

  41. m0nty Avatar

    You can sue for wrongful conviction if and only if you were wrongfully convicted, not if you were merely convicted.

    Okay, Cheshire Cat.

  42. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    The giant $30bn Sun Cable project, one of the country’s largest renewable developments, has fallen into administration.
    bugger, it’s too early. they should have lost a lot more

    The only money lost here will be the tax payer subsidies .. Twiggy never, ever, spends any of his own on “climate change ” operations ….

  43. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Re the Sun Cable project; sending power that far was never feasible anyway – it was going to be about 10x longer than anything ever done before. The power loss from switching DC to AC, and from loss over distance, makes it a bad idea, and the “big battery” concept is not cost-effective either.

    Such objections were raised by many at the time, but the frenzy for “renewables” at all costs – and government handouts – were of course ignored.

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  44. Entropy Avatar
    Entropy

    Oh, montz, that isn’t even funny.

  45. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    The two billionaires are understood to have different views on the optimal funding package and strategic vision for the project.

    “you put your nuts in this vice”..
    “No you”….

    There is never any time you should give Monty of malmo the benefit of the doubt.
    If on the surface, it looks like a crude smear then thats what it is.

    johannasays:
    January 11, 2023 at 4:35 pm
    Looking up, it seems that everyone is talking about monty.

    Sucked in by the troll every time, it seems.

    Facile stuff Johanna: Outline your method of dealing with a person quite happy to vomit lies because it has no dick.

  46. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Heres the link to the marvelous big man munni in-voice.
    https://voice.niaa.gov.au/final-report#

  47. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Russia to Buy Back China’s Aircraft Carrier

    Russia’s carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is unserviceable and a sad money pit right now. I can see why they might want one that works. She had been quite useful supporting Russian interests in Syria.

  48. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0ntysays:
    January 11, 2023 at 4:38 pm
    Can we agree that you are abrasive and not well liked here?

    Yes on the latter, as for the former… yes, well, I deliberately abrade those whose rough edges stick out like the tines of a swastika. I don’t try to abrade anyone who speaks in good faith and has truth-based opinions. Not as many of those here as there are those who use illogical arguments and lack a firm grasp on reality.

    LOL. In your dreams.

  49. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    I deliberately abrade those whose rough edges stick out like the tines of a swastika. I don’t try to abrade anyone who speaks in good faith and has truth-based

    oooh, scawy, the Montster under the bed is making vague generalized slurs of “nazis’ on the board.

    I dreamt it was fighting a tiny, tiny nazi skinhead once, and finally, in his dream he grabbed the skinhead round the throat with thumb and forefinger and with a roar and a wrench pulled it from its feet before holding it over his head in triumph before doing a sumo style suplex maneuver on it.

    And that friends is why he woke up as Monty the dickless.

  50. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    Anyone know how much the taxpayers are on the hook for over Sun Cable?

  51. calli Avatar
    calli

    Forrest and Cannon-Brookes will have been gazing expectantly at OPM for the project.

    The cupboard is bare, grifters.

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  52. Dunny Brush Avatar
    Dunny Brush

    And the anonymous “high profile” chap charged with an oct 2021 rape should cause some discussion when the time comes……..

  53. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    How can you sue for wrongful conviction if you were never convicted?

    Comment of the thread by a dickless grub.

    Dickless creeps should not be reasoned with especially those looking after the milko’s kiddies.

  54. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Has today seen the debut of the “angry meatsuit” m0nty=fa? Bit of a damp squib.

  55. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Marr the serial pervert smears Pell.

    George Pell flew higher than any Australian priest, but he chose career over the safety of children
    David Marr


    Soon after, he was in Melbourne facing a long purgatory in the criminal courts which ended in a dramatic, unanimous acquittal by the high court. By that time, the so-called swimming pool charges had evaporated despite being aired by victims, once again, in Sarah Ferguson’s fine 2020 ABC television series Revelation.

    Swimming was his pastime. He loved to romp with kids in the Ballarat pool. Hot afternoons saw him in the shallow end tossing eight-year-olds in the air. One day an official at Torquay who didn’t know who Pell was told him to piss off from the changing rooms and not come back.

    What a filthy old bender marr is. Addicted to other mens dicks, he wallows in his own filthy imaginings and conspiracy theories, cut from the same cloth as monty.

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  56. P Avatar
    P

    And the anonymous “high profile” chap charged with an oct 2021 rape should cause some discussion when the time comes……..

    Under Queensland law media are prevented from identifying people accused of serious sex offences until they are committed to stand trial.

  57. calli Avatar
    calli

    On the despicable old queen Marr:

    Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

    Matthew 24:28

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  58. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    It’s “upbraid” numbnuts.

  59. Dunny Brush Avatar
    Dunny Brush

    Speaking of Mr Marr, does anybody remember his piece accusing American coppers of homophobia when they arrested the two chaps from Cairns for abusing their adopted son. I do.

  60. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    2 interesting-IF true bits from the gruinaid.

    Russia-Ukraine war live: Wagner ‘may make up quarter of Russian combatants’; Zelenskiy strips Kremlin allies of citizenship

    1: Holy crap, a mercenary army fielding around 50,000 or so men, that seems too big to be true.
    2: Zelenskiy engaging in a bit of citizenship stripping of purported Russian allies, with a twist of “wussia, wussia, wussia” from the US?
    Medvedchuk, a close ally of Kremlin leader Vladimir Putin, headed a banned pro-Russian party the “Opposition Platform – For Life” in Ukraine and was facing treason charges before being transferred to Moscow in September 2022.
    Kozak and Kuzmin had been both elected to Ukraine’s parliament as members of Medvedchuk’s party.
    The United States imposed sanctions on Kozak, the owner of three television channels, in January of 2022 for alleged spreading of Russian disinformation, after Kyiv sought his arrest on treason charges.
    Ukraine has also charged Kuzmin with high treason.
    Derkach, a Ukrainian lawmaker also sanctioned by Washington, was charged in the United States in December with money laundering and sanctions violations.
    He had been accused of helping Russia interfere in the U.S. presidential election in 2020.

  61. calli Avatar
    calli

    All I could find from Marr on the gay couple was this.

    It’s probably the only piece of straight* reporting he’s ever done.

    * tee hee

  62. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Sunworld – It was only ever going to be a tax scam.
    I’d like to see how much the governments got us into hock for, and just what ancillary benefits flowed to the pubic serpents waving chequebooks.
    We really need a Royal Auditor who would ask the tough questions of how a PS can afford a stable of Rolls Royces, and a Lear jet or two.
    (Yes. The last bits a joke for those who troll comments looking for excuses to slag off on others.)

  63. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    The Hun informs me that the esteemed singery-person of yesteryear John Lydon- aka Johnny Rotten – will:

    1. Appear in the annual embarrassment known as Eurovision; and
    2. Represent his home island (Ireland) doing it.

    Snork. Oh my goodness.

  64. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    Knuckle Dragger,
    don’t knock Johnny. He’s a genuine conservative and he looks after his wife of many years while she is the throes of Dementia instead of unloading her for a trophy wife.

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  65. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Tony Windsor:
    If there is a hell a new entrant has arrived.

  66. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    You should read the ignorant shit that passes for opinion on many sites.
    There are herds of simpletons who read a headline and never looked again when the prosecution evidence fell apart.
    They vote and that’s why we have Labor governments.

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  67. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    I’m 100% certain the rainbow people will turn up at Pell funeral, some will even get in as it will be a public mass. They’ll hide their rainbow sashes under their clothes and shout out terrible things.

    100% certain.

    And I’m sure it is already being planned.

    Sickos.

  68. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Tony Windsor… what an old drunken buffoon.

  69. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Mole – There’s been a bit of speculation that Wagner’s head Prigozhin has been angling to succeed Putin. If so he has competition from Patrushev. But Prigozhin has his own army whilst Patrushev probably only has state security and the spooks. Patrushev is one of Putin’s colleagues from the KGB clique.

    Putin ally Patrushev says Russia is now fighting NATO in Ukraine (10 Jan)

    Possibly all this is behind the expectations that Putin will announce another call up, thought to be of 500,000 guys*. That would counterbalance Wagner as well as provide more forces for the war.

    (* The number comes from Ukrainian sources so take it with a boulder of salt.)

  70. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Bruce O’Newk:

    Russia’s carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is unserviceable and a sad money pit right now. I can see why they might want one that works. She had been quite useful supporting Russian interests in Syria.

    Just scrap the damn thing, shoot the dockyard managers and build a new one.*
    Russia is still paying out corruption as if she’s a superpower. She isn’t, and needs to get it under control.
    * Russia doesn’t need a surface blue water navy except in the Baltic. She does need a potent submarine fleet, though. Assume that any significant war involving Russia will turn nuclear quite quickly.

  71. calli Avatar
    calli

    When I read that Sal, I thought Windsor had parted company with this mortal coil.

    What a horrible person he is.

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  72. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    Facile stuff Johanna: Outline your method of dealing with a person quite happy to vomit lies because it has no dick

    Outline your method of not filling up a whole page here responding to a few comments by a gleeful troll.

    Not that he is manipulating you and filling up space with virtue-signalling (‘me! no, me, me, miss!’) responders or anything.

    He is Lucy with the football and you are Charlie Brown. But, apparently it makes you feel good, and that’s what matters, right?

  73. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    m0nty says:
    January 11, 2023 at 4:04 pm
    We can agree to disagree on our opinions, but we should agree on a common set of facts otherwise things get a bit pear-shaped.

    Therefore, inbetween M0nty saying Pell’s dead and all I can say is LOL
    and then backflipping with I meant to type in love not LOL
    he was convicted by his own words as an utter degenerate for that period of time.
    There is a common set of facts for you.
    And we can all look back and say with utmost certainty that M0nty was, just for a time, a convicted degenerate.

  74. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    aka Johnny Rotten

    One of my favourite people. Thoroughly red PiL-ed.
    I can’t imagine him representing the qwerty government of Ireland at Eurovision.
    Not remotely conceivable! It’d be great trolling though.

  75. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    You’d want to count your fingers after shaking hands with Tony Windsor.
    I’d imagine he was widely disliked by his farming neighbours, I know the type.

  76. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    One day an official at Torquay who didn’t know who Pell was told him to piss off from the changing rooms and not come back.

    He wasn’t an “official”.
    He was a local bigot, Les Tyack.
    Interestingly, the brave Mr Tyack talked big in front of the ABC cameras but became remarkably shy when it came to making a sworn statement.
    Why?
    Because that might expose perjury risks.
    Interesting aside.
    The father of convicted murderer Keli Lane’s first secretly aborted child was one Aaron Tyack, who also lives in Torquay.

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  77. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Sun Cable project story in AFR

    It is understood Dr Forrest and his private investment arm Squadron Energy arrived at the view that Mr Cannon-Brookes’s expertise lay in tech, but was perhaps out of his depth with big infrastructure projects. The billionaires started to fall out last year when Sun Cable failed to hit project targets while burning through cash at what Squadron Energy regarded as an alarming rate.

    Too much cash splash is a plausible reason, but I can think of another.
    Wasn’t Twiggy investing in “green hydrogen”-based energy export? So maybe he has used the overspend as the opportunity to trigger administration, end of his expenses on it, and possible loss of customer support for Sun Cable, and so keep S.E.Asia focussed on hydrogen as the export method? Leaves MCB with a cable dangling in the breeze.
    Working against this “inside job” theory is that Singapore is the only destination where Sun Cable could have competed against greenH_2 and Twiggy still has the rest of Asia as possible customers, so it was always small fry compared to where ships can be sent. That costly unscalability of cables was always its downside, but it only had to succeed with *any* customer to succeed.

  78. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    Only m0nster, St Ruth and Indolent seem to consistently take delight in the death of someone if it is perceived to provide some support for their warped beliefs.

    There is nothing warped about my belief that the jab is killing people. It is proven, even to the extent that the powers that be admit it, even if they play it down as much as possible. The point with the sudden deaths, especially in young people, is not that they never happen, but that have never happened at anywhere near the numbers being seen now – and the excess deaths figures bear this out.

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  79. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Gold v Dollar

    From Martin Armstrong Economics –

    QUESTION #1: Marty,

    Thanks for your interesting post about gold and China.
    Which do you think will perform better this year, gold or the dollar?
    Thank you.

    QUESTION #2: Marty, obviously the motive behind China buying gold is critical. I tried to explain that to a goldbug. It went in one ear and out the other. Russia and China have separate motives from the rest of the world. Correct?

    ANSWER: Absolutely. Only a goldbug thinks motives are irrelevant as long as gold rises. Short-covering is not buying buy squaring off positions. Then you have retail buying and institutional buying. I was helping the Japanese circumvent the US trade sanction threats by purchasing gold on COMEX and then selling it back in London. It did not matter what you bought. The trade statistics only measure money flows – not goods. So, I was using gold to reduce the trade surplus of Japan buying gold in NYC (as it it was a product) and shipping it out to London. The buying was irrelevant to the trend. Just because someone buys gold does not make them bullish at all.

    What you need to understand is that China is not buying gold because they are bullish on gold. They cannot hold US or EU debt and therefore you will continue to see them liquidating Western sovereign assets. That will not be the case for others inside the West. They will remain holding debt that pays interest where gold does not. Those who have been brainwashed about fiat and gold and inflation are so entrenched in their thinking, they will never see that the difference in motive has nothing to do with gold at all, but geopolitical events as we head into 2032. So they keep looking at balance sheets at the Fed and inflation and miss the real trend altogether.

    We have private interests that do NOT have the same motives as China or Russia. Those are high net-worth individuals and institutions who will prefer the more liquid assets of equities and short-term debt like T-Bills. We have NOT reached the point where there is a total collapse in the faith of the dollar or the US government as of yet. Keep in mind that 50% of Americans still believe in Biden somehow and are consumed with their hate of Trump which prevents them from seeing the real trend.

    Society is being so dumbed-down by the media that we are sleepwalking into WWIII and cheering it at the same time. They think war is a video game. We bomb and kill people elsewhere and it never affects us at home.

    The dollar is not finished. It is the most hated currency perhaps in history. But that is also because people have been manipulated into thinking that money is fiat and keep preaching the days of returning to some sort of gold standard. The problem with that theory is it demands fiscal responsibility and you will NEVER sell that idea to politicians. They cannot survive without bribing people for votes. That means they MUST end Democracy and that is the main objective of Schwab and the WEF.

    The backing of the dollar has NOTHING to do with commodities. If that were the case, Japan and Germany should never have risen to the top tier in the world economy. I am NOT an academic. I have worked on every continent and actually visited more central banks than probably any analyst ever. What I have seen is how things work, not theory. That is why some people hate my guts. The TRUE wealth of every nation is its people and their productive ability. The more leftist the government, the worse the economic growth and the lower the standard of living. That is the power behind the dollar and it has NOTHING to do even with the quantity because 70% of paper dollars reside outside the USA.

    Remember the Money Plane. Skids of $100 bills were being sent to Russia every week to satisfy the demand. When the new $100 bill took place, anyone flying internationally saw videos on planes telling them that the old $100 bills were still valid and were NOT canceled as they do in Europe.

    Perhaps by 2028, you will see the dollar fade away into the sunset. But for now! These insane world leaders are pushing for war. Sweden has just announced a military draft. Europe is not going to”

  80. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    I was pretty sure the swimming pool event was a not actually an event? I thought Hendo explored it…?

  81. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    There is nothing warped about my belief that the jab is killing people. 

    Pity you keep turning up people who died of something else, seeing as how there are supposedly so many real deaths to choose from.

  82. P Avatar
    P

    I can’t imagine him representing the qwerty government of Ireland at Eurovision.
    Not remotely conceivable! It’d be great trolling though.

    Sex Pistols – There’ll Always Be An England (2007)

  83. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Portia:

    Fair enough and props for looking after his crook missus as well, but that’s no reason for Lydon to go in Eurovision.

  84. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Lysandersays:

    January 11, 2023 at 5:53 pm

    I was pretty sure the swimming pool event was a not actually an event? I thought Hendo explored it…?

    Two grifters from the ‘rat looking for a payday.
    Never even made it near committal.

  85. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    It is understood Dr Forrest and his private investment arm Squadron Energy arrived at the view that Mr Cannon-Brookes’s expertise lay in tech, but was perhaps out of his depth with big infrastructure projects.

    Haha, this from a guy whose Murrin Murrin advanced-tech nickel plant went bankrupt twice.
    Two full sets of shareholders lost their shirts.

  86. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Farmer Gez says: January 11, 2023 at 5:49 pm
    You’d want to count your fingers after shaking hands with Tony Windsor.
    I’d imagine he was widely disliked by his farming neighbours, I know the type.

    You can image, on the day he voted to put Gillard & ALP into federal govt, what his electoral office’s email inbox looked like.

    Apparently by 6pm it was choked with “far queue” emails & there was a DNS auto-block on it coz the server believed (incorrectly) he was being bot-spammed.

  87. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Johanna:

    He is Lucy with the football and you are Charlie Brown.

    +++

  88. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    He is Lucy with the football and you are Charlie Brown.

    He will “lucy” regardless of if hes slapped around or not.
    Dover chooses to allow him to lie, slander and be a revolting grub, Im allowed to point out he has no dick.

    You are reversing cause and effect.

  89. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Lydons wife died last year I think.
    Probably why hes having a crack at the euros.

  90. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Sancho of the Upticks contributions to this venue have a similar vibe.
    Liberty Quote

  91. JC Avatar

    Two grifters from the ‘rat looking for a payday.
    Never even made it near committal.

    Funny you and other’s mentioned it. I have a nephew (in-law) working for me at the family business. The kid grew up and obviously went to school in Ballarat. Today, we were talking about Pell’s death and he told me the dad of a close school pal of his knew one of the accusers of the pool incident. The father doesn’t know if the story is true or not, but what he does know is that the accuser is a grifter, drunk and bullshit artist.

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  92. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    JC
    I wonder if they came forward AFTER Vicpol chucked ads in the paper trawling for accusations?

  93. rosie Avatar

    Marr gets the Torquay story completely wrong.
    Incidentally Cardinal Pell’s family said they never used the surf club facilities when holidaying in Torquay.
    The membership was for access to the carport.
    The accusation was preposterous* the accuser claimed to know him on a first name basis, but apparently got his status as bishop archbishop wrong.
    And he later admitted he had an axe to grind with the church over an incident in Geelong involving a childhood friend.
    *funny how neither of the two boys allegedly present never came forward.

  94. Bear Necessities Avatar
    Bear Necessities

    The Hun informs me that the esteemed singery-person of yesteryear John Lydon- aka Johnny Rotten – will:

    1. Appear in the annual embarrassment known as Eurovision; and
    2. Represent his home island (Ireland) doing it.

    Snork. Oh my goodness.

    He generally calls his audience ‘F..In…C#@ts’ based on archived footage. I’d tune in to see that.

  95. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    It’s a shame that Pell wasn’t brought up as an Anglican, his dad’s religion.
    He mighta been a lot better off if he had.

    I had an Uncle who married a Catholic, embraced her religion, the kids were sent to parish schools, which didn’t work out too well for the only son, who was a bright lad.
    Anyway, they’re both dead now, he was buried as an Anglican and she as a Baptist.

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