Open Thread – Tues 17 Jan 2023


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Miltonf
Miltonf
January 17, 2023 8:00 pm

The World Council of Churches was under their influence in the 1970s.

yes I remember some awful East German woman who used to come here and lecture us

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 17, 2023 8:01 pm

The two faces of Keir Starmer– another moral vacuum, another mediocrity, another effing lawyer

UK’s Steven Bradbury. Everyone in front of him is busily faceplanting.
I don’t think the Poms will like his government though, when it takes office.

Roger
Roger
January 17, 2023 8:01 pm

No- the left want divide and rule. Trump had a white-black-hispanic support base and the ‘rats didn’t like that. So they started a race war with the connivance of the meja.

Yes, they’re despicable, milton.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 8:02 pm

No- the left want divide and rule. Trump had a white-black-hispanic support base and the ‘rats didn’t like that. So they started a race war with the connivance of the meja.

Gimme a break.
Trump won 1% of Black Women Voters and about 15% of Black Male voters on a low turnout in 2016.
Those Black Males deserted him in 2020 and he didn’t do much good with Hispanics either time.
Trump was the White Candidate in 2016, he spent 4 years kissing Black and Hispanic arse and it was all for nothing.

rickw
rickw
January 17, 2023 8:02 pm

Renee Geyer has died.
Similar circumstances to Pell as well. Complications following hip surgery.

Hip surgery is one of the oldest and most successful operations performed.

Now the current crop seem to be f’cking it up.

To much Tik Tok and to little Competence?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 17, 2023 8:02 pm

Lizzie have you met Santa and Mrs Claus yet? or are they on a WEB in the Bahamas?

They are here, Tinta, never fear, along with a team of elves and reindeer. Finland would never let them leave, even for a WEB, for the bring in the dollars and euros all year long here, and there isn’t much else for an economy to grow rich on. The Fins, who number only five million, have turned their weird Arctive regions climate into a real tourist money spinner at very little cost. Santa Village and ice-themed resorts keep everything ticketty-boo. The whole world loves Christmas and it’s Christmas for seven months of the year here, and an eco-resort for the few summer months. Tourists come in droves, and many bring children too. We both enjoyed the natural scenery around Santa’s lit up village as the skies dimmed at 3pm and people watched as an international set all snow-dressed prominaded rolly polly fashions (for most) or for the slim, some great ski wear.

I’ve actually purchased some rather cutely dressed Santa and Mrs. Claus dolls which can help make our own Christmas Santa’s Grotto in our foyer come alive for our own littlies. Mrs. Claus is holding a wooden spoon. Very aposite. Both a cook and an enforcer. They can go next to the little Eskimo igloo nativity set I bought in furthest Alaska in 2019.

Zipster
January 17, 2023 8:03 pm

House Democrat Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas is introducing legislation that would end free speech for white people in the United States.

The representative wants to define “hate speech” that only white people can be charged with.

In her “Leading Against White Supremacy Act of 2023,” which clearly suggests that this bill only applies to white people, white people would not be allowed to ask questions about open borders, criticize minorities or advocate for preserving American culture.

Roger
Roger
January 17, 2023 8:04 pm

South Sudan

Malnutrition effects IQ

South Sudan is one of the (if not the) most dysfunctional states in the world.

Add to that decades of civil war before it came into existence.

Zipster
January 17, 2023 8:05 pm

Under Jackson Lee’s legislation, if federal investigators determine that the web postings of a third party had “inspire[d]” someone else, even someone they don’t know, to commit a federal hate crime, that person would be arrested, and federally charged with a hate crime of their own.

Specifically, Jackson Lee targets Americans who are in favor of border security, calling out “replacement theory” by name, an ideology that holds that open borders and mass migration into the Western World are part of a deliberate effort to “replace” white people in their native lands.

As the legislation explains, two people could be charged in relation to the same, lone wolf-style attack if, “at least one of [them] published material advancing white supremacy, white supremacist ideology, antagonism based on ‘replacement theory’, or hate speech that vilifies or is otherwise directed against any non-White person or group.” Even if they don’t know each other.

Especially, if the material “was published on a social media platform.”

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 17, 2023 8:07 pm

that Arctic not Active. Altho there is plenty of stuff for active tourists to do, including ski.

Put it on your radar, travelling Cats, for it is an interesting way to enjoy a northern hemisphere winter trip. Also, it is quite safe for grandparents as long as you don’t slip on ice as I did, which is the main hazard and quite avoidable if you are forewarned and careful. We might even be tempted to return with some grandies.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 8:10 pm

South Sudan

Malnutrition effects IQ

IQ Testing malnourished people would be unethical, since it would skew the result downward.

Just accept that the IQ of South Sudan averages 58, so obviously there are people there well above IQ 58, just as there are plenty below IQ 58.

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 17, 2023 8:13 pm

Jackson Lee doesn’t look as though she wishes you well- politics really attracts some true horrors.

rickw
rickw
January 17, 2023 8:14 pm

Nepalis also have very low IQ.
The gurkha population acquit themselves well imh experience.

I’m aware of some Gurkha security training in Afghanistan that resulted in a broken window and a mag-dump into an adjacent vegetable garden.

“I asked you to tell me what you would do, not show me what you would do!!”

Cassie of Sydney
January 17, 2023 8:14 pm

The two grifters, aka the Duke and Duchess of Montecito, aka Mr and Mrs Harry Todger, have declined to accept Jeremy Clarkson’s apology, actually his two apologies. There’s no forgiveness in the woke religion.

An interesting fact about Clarkson, he’s a very, very good friend of Camilla, the Queen Consort. I suspect that’s the reason why.

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 17, 2023 8:15 pm

Exporter of bad ideas indeed.

Cassie of Sydney
January 17, 2023 8:16 pm

“The representative wants to define “hate speech” that only white people can be charged with.

In her “Leading Against White Supremacy Act of 2023,” which clearly suggests that this bill only applies to white people, white people would not be allowed to ask questions about open borders, criticize minorities or advocate for preserving American culture.”

A race war is inevitable.

rickw
rickw
January 17, 2023 8:16 pm

South Sudan is one of the (if not the) most dysfunctional states in the world.

Add to that decades of civil war before it came into existence.

Australia’s #1 source of immigrants no?

bespoke
bespoke
January 17, 2023 8:16 pm

DrBG

You may appreciate the irony.

One of the prisons I visited as a guest had a “welcome to my country” ceremony done by one of the prisoners.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 17, 2023 8:17 pm

there isn’t much else for an economy to grow rich on.

Except for a million tonnes of rare earth elements they just found under Lapland. 😀

Huge rare earth metals discovery in Arctic Sweden (14 Jan)

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 17, 2023 8:21 pm

Regarding the aid we send to South Sudan, we should add Depends.

rickw
rickw
January 17, 2023 8:21 pm

This is Trump’s Achillies Heel. He seems incapable of admitting a mistake.

Indolent, there’s a Fauci interview floating around from just after Trumps election. The poisonous dwarf accurately lays out Trumps pandemic challenge well ahead of it occurring.

Vicki
Vicki
January 17, 2023 8:22 pm

Hairy’s a big believer in getting on with life regardless, clots, heart stent and all.

It’s the way to be. Good for Hairy. We could all learn a lot from that.

bons
bons
January 17, 2023 8:22 pm

Renee certainly had it all.
Her band did as well. Wonderful music played with zero emotion.
They let the music speak for them.

bons
bons
January 17, 2023 8:25 pm

My old footy mate (mentor) Jim Molan has gone. That hurts.
We are lost.
God has sided with Photios!

bespoke
bespoke
January 17, 2023 8:26 pm

averages 58, so obviously there are people there well above IQ 58, just as there are plenty below IQ 58.

Ya sooo clever, Ed.

Frank
Frank
January 17, 2023 8:32 pm

“Opera Australia recognises and acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of the unceded land and waters, across Australia”

Sounds like a celebration of diversity.

My dictionary says that unceded is not a word.

Roger
Roger
January 17, 2023 8:38 pm

Australia’s #1 source of immigrants no?

Not even close.

The high tide was in the humanitarian intake in the Howard & R-G-R years.

Sources of regular immigration 2020-21:

People’s Republic of China?
India
?United Kingdom
Philippines
Vietnam
United States of America
Nepal
Hong Kong
Pakistan
Thailand?

Humanitarian intake:

Iraq
Myanmar
Afghanistan?

I expect Ukrainians would feature in the humanitarian intake for 2021-22 & 2022/23.

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 8:39 pm

Those IQ results are meaningless and whoever compiled the results lacked the intelligence to recognise that.

Vicki
Vicki
January 17, 2023 8:40 pm

Alice Springs is in the grips of a crime crisis, with “brazen” youths running wild and residents leaving the town “in droves”.

The Alice has been moving inexorably towards this situation for years. What a despicable situation for the young families attempting to make a decent life. This situation is common to many outback towns and I expect it will get a lot worse in coming years. Indeed, if The Voice gets up, as I expect it will, we are going to see the process accelerated. Towns with such violence will be avoided by the Grey Nomads & any economic bonus from travellers will be lost. It is all so predictable.

Roger
Roger
January 17, 2023 8:45 pm

My dictionary says that unceded is not a word.

Your dictionary needs updating.

Usage is everything in lexicography, and there’s already a nascent industry predicated on the notion that Australian land is “unceded.”

custard
custard
January 17, 2023 8:46 pm

A lot of people are dying, more so than normal.

This is very sad.

Roger
Roger
January 17, 2023 8:49 pm

Sources of regular immigration 2020-21

What are those question marks doing in there?

Robert Sewell
January 17, 2023 8:49 pm

Indolent:
That’s really scary stuff, if correct.
A 30% cardiac injury rate? Bloody ‘ell.

Cassie of Sydney
January 17, 2023 8:49 pm

“A lot of people are dying, more so than normal.”

No, people die every day, that is normal.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 17, 2023 8:54 pm

Think how high Australians averge IQ would be if Special Ed and munty weren’t included.

Arky
January 17, 2023 8:57 pm

If you really think IQ is meaningless, would you hire someone who had a measured IQ under 90 for a technical job you had a financial interest therein?
We had a guy who made an entire career out of pushing “multiple intelligences”. According to him there was musical intelligence, number intelligence, language intelligence and two or three others including something called kinethesic intelligence (which I’m not intelligent enough to spell correctly) which is apparently about being good at footy. I don’t know why we had to apply the term intelligence to things that were previously called talents or skills. As a sop, I think.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
January 17, 2023 8:59 pm

Good Evening Troops

Earlier today Min posted a missive asking for additional help, I have given her a lot of guidance as a senior project manager, but i don’t work or live in Aust and even though i got to meet them i don’t live here and she still needs help from a legal perspective and a construction viewpoint and that is where you come in. in the morning i will chat with Min and DB and if i can make a missive or post about her troubles i will, this is important for many reasons.

I hope i can make it clear tomorrow.

And i hope you can help.

Arky
January 17, 2023 9:00 pm

You can’t say “he’s a bit thick, but really good at football”. You have to say “he has a measured high kinaesthetic intelligence”.

Frank
Frank
January 17, 2023 9:01 pm

“Your dictionary needs updating.”

It is the Oxford that comes with a Mac, set to UK English spelling. Probably pretty up to date. Ever since the Macquarie thing with Gillard’s “misogyny” the Australian definition of words seems flaky.

Robert Sewell
January 17, 2023 9:02 pm

Cassie:

A race war is inevitable.

I’ve been saying that since it became obvious what Obama was up to.
The entire West is heading down this path, and at the end is the ethnic cleansing we had a glimpse of in the Balkans.
This is what happens when ideologies take control of nations instead of leaders.

Arky
January 17, 2023 9:04 pm

We should add anaesthetic intelligence. For those who can doze off under any circumstances.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 17, 2023 9:04 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 17, 2023 at 7:52 pm
Cassie of Sydney answered that query, SpongeBob.

Perhaps avoid picking fights, or people might realise you’re a clown.

Go back to your original comment about Africans and slaves, and understand why people think that you are a clown.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 9:05 pm

Goodesy has a high measured Kinaesthetic Intelligence, eh?

So, why isn’t he still playing Footy?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 9:08 pm

What’s you’re measured Kinaesthetic Intelligence, SpongeBob?

I mean, clearly you’re an idiot, so you must be good at something, right?

Cassie of Sydney
January 17, 2023 9:10 pm

Just watched the 1975 advert for the Liberals with Renee Geyer singing “Turn on the lights”. You know, the message in the advert and the lyrics of the song haven’t dated. In 2026, I predict things will be bad in this country and the Liberals, if they had any guts, could simply revamp the advertisement with Renee’s singing…

Australia, you’ve been sleeping
Brought down to your knees
We’ve lost a lot of living
In the dark of these three years
We can look towards the future
and the way things ought to be
Turn on the lights Australia
It’s up to you and me.

Marvellous.

Roger
Roger
January 17, 2023 9:10 pm

It is the Oxford that comes with a Mac, set to UK English spelling. Probably pretty up to date. Ever since the Macquarie thing with Gillard’s “misogyny” the Australian definition of words seems flaky.

Sorry Frank…my response was a bit tongue in cheek (but not entirely so).

But usage really does count in lexicography, which means that unceded will even make it into the OED sooner or later, with reference to Canadian and Australian usage (as with First Nations, this is a term and a notion we’ve borrowed from Canadian English).

Yes, the Macquarie people are altogether too PC for me as well.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 17, 2023 9:10 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
January 17, 2023 at 8:16 pm
“The representative wants to define “hate speech” that only white people can be charged with.

In her “Leading Against White Supremacy Act of 2023,” which clearly suggests that this bill only applies to white people, white people would not be allowed to ask questions about open borders, criticize minorities or advocate for preserving American culture.”

A race war is inevitable.

When you are in a minority, starting a shooting war with the majority is not a smart idea.

But I doubt that many people think that particular individual is very smart.

Roger
Roger
January 17, 2023 9:11 pm

Apologies…format fail.

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 9:12 pm

Arkysays:
January 17, 2023 at 8:57 pm
If you really think IQ is meaningless, would you hire someone who had a measured IQ under 90 for a technical job you had a financial interest therein?
We had a guy who made an entire career out of pushing “multiple intelligences”. According to him there was musical intelligence, number intelligence, language intelligence and two or three others including something called kinethesic intelligence (which I’m not intelligent enough to spell correctly) which is apparently about being good at footy. I don’t know why we had to apply the term intelligence to things that were previously called talents or skills. As a sop, I think.

Howard Gardner’s multiple intelligence model. Misses the point about the accepted meaning of intelligence. When properly conducted IQ tests can work well in an educated population but are very problematic when given to peoples whose cultures are different from ours. For many Western people IQ is a very big deal so they are very often highly motivated to perform well. People from other cultures have different imperatives.

Arky
January 17, 2023 9:14 pm

You wouldn’t put a midget in the ring with a heavy weight champ.
Why the hell would you want the stupid to study alongside the bright at universities, and worse, want to undermine the very utility of intelligence.
I knew people in the maths faculty who were so much more intelligent than me I knew I couldn’t “see” the concepts as they could. Immediately and without effort or work they saw exactly what was being laid out symbolically on the board. I wasn’t jealous of them, I was amazed and grateful they existed. And they usually paid a price in some other direction of brain function, such as social skills.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 17, 2023 9:17 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 17, 2023 at 9:08 pm
What’s you’re measured Kinaesthetic Intelligence, SpongeBob?

I mean, clearly you’re an idiot, so you must be good at something, right?

Richard Cranium

I am excellent at detecting the rubbish in your comments. Have you managed to find a photo of Renee Geyer yet? Or is that too difficult for your tiny mind?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 9:17 pm

When properly conducted IQ tests can work well in an educated population but are very problematic when given to peoples whose cultures are different from ours.

Seriously?
IQ Tests test pattern recognition.
Literacy, a Written Language, isn’t needed to complete these tests accurately.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 17, 2023 9:18 pm

One of the worst examples I heard was at a meeting where there was not just one welcome to country, but 4, each performed by representatives of different jobs.

‘Welcome to country’ is bad enough as it implies I am not from here. Worst again is the ‘acknowledgement of aboriginal persons past present and future’ – I dont go to meetings etc anymore, but I used to respond to that in the past with:

‘STOP STOP STOP – you cant do that, thats racist and devisive. I am entitled to come to work without being exposed to racism!’

It always stopped the guilty party stone dead….

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 9:20 pm

Have you managed to find a photo of Renee Geyer yet? Or is that too difficult for your tiny mind?

Mate.
Have some respect for Renee Geyer.

Stop bringing her name up in a braindead attempt to score a stupid point.

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 9:20 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 17, 2023 at 9:17 pm
When properly conducted IQ tests can work well in an educated population but are very problematic when given to peoples whose cultures are different from ours.

Seriously?
IQ Tests test pattern recognition.
Literacy, a Written Language, isn’t needed to complete these tests accurately.

A hunter gatherer can recognize patterns of footprints and broken branches that would be oblivious to us. They see those patterns when we often can’t. You also forgot about the motivation issue. That is much more important than many people appreciate. Moreover IQ results can vary over time and the practice effect can be in play which is why neuropsychs often will space out their much more nuanced cognitive tests.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 17, 2023 9:24 pm

He’s proposing to cut tolls for the poor blighters, the “squinters” who spend hours in peak hour on the M7 & M2

So Labor will saddle NSW taxpayers with more debt?
Transurban owns the leases & the tolls are contractual obligations.
The only way for a toll cut is rebating some & taxpayers pick up the tab.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 17, 2023 9:24 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 17, 2023 at 9:20 pm
Have you managed to find a photo of Renee Geyer yet? Or is that too difficult for your tiny mind?

Mate.
Have some respect for Renee Geyer.

Stop bringing her name up in a braindead attempt to score a stupid point.

I’m not the imbecile who questioned whether she was white. What braindead, stupid, point were you incompetently attempting to make with your comment?

Frank
Frank
January 17, 2023 9:25 pm

When properly conducted IQ tests can work well in an educated population but are very problematic when given to peoples whose cultures are different from ours.

Sounds like a chicken and egg dilemma. Comparing the cultures produced by high and low IQ populations has some utility.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 17, 2023 9:25 pm

PS, you are being even more boring than usual.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 17, 2023 9:26 pm

No way does a country function at all with an average IQ of 58. Find some people who test 58 in our society and take a good look. They have trouble dressing and feeding themselves. The article is BS.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 17, 2023 9:27 pm

Neil Oliver Interviews Dr. John Campbell

Great interview, saw it earlier… JC confirms what we have all seen over the last couple of years – he started off as believing what government told him , what he has since learned has been painful for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM6TSWzw66U

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 17, 2023 9:29 pm

On IQ’s. I suspect there are many non-Westernised traditional countries where people simply don’t see the point of doing something incomprehensible demanded by unfathomably odd Westerners

Ditto for inventing plumbing, electricity, vessels in which to boil water, 2 story buildings, calculus, wheels, etc etc etc

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
January 17, 2023 9:29 pm

Carpe Jugulum says:
January 17, 2023 at 8:59 pm

Good Evening Troops

It’s been 30 minutes and nothing
Ok, fine, i get it.

If it had been a dig at monty we would be 50 comments in.

Frank
Frank
January 17, 2023 9:30 pm

No way does a country function at all with an average IQ of 58.

I think that is the point, they don’t.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 17, 2023 9:30 pm

The FAA has very quietly tacitly admitted that the EKGs of pilots are no longer normal. We should be concerned. Very concerned.

That would explain the push for ‘one pilot cockpits’ with full AI backup – its a step to when there are NO healthy pilots.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 17, 2023 9:34 pm

No way does a country function at all with an average IQ of 58.

I think that is the point, they don’t.

Except that they do, albeit poorly. IQ 58 makes most of the cast of “Idiocracy” look smart.

Arky
January 17, 2023 9:35 pm

The term imbecile was once used by psychiatrists to denote a category of people with moderate to severe intellectual disability, as well as a type of criminal.[1][2] The word arises from the Latin word imbecillus, meaning weak, or weak-minded.[3] It originally referred to people of the second order in a former and discarded classification of intellectual disability, with a mental age of three to seven years and an IQ of 25–50, above “idiot” (IQ below 25) and below “moron” (IQ of 51–70).[4] In the obsolete medical classification (ICD-9, 1977), these people were said to have “moderate mental retardation” or “moderate mental subnormality” with IQ of 35–49, as they are usually capable of some degree of communication, guarding themselves against danger and performing simple mechanical tasks under supervision.[5][6]
The meaning was further refined into mental and moral imbecility.[7][8] The concepts of “moral insanity”, “moral idiocy”,” and “moral imbecility” led to the emerging field of eugenic criminology, which held that crime can be reduced by preventing “feeble-minded” people from reproducing.[9][10]
“Imbecile” as a concrete classification was popularized by psychologist Henry H. Goddard[11] and was used in 1927 by United States Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. in his ruling in the forced-sterilization case Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927).[12]

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 9:39 pm

A hunter gatherer can recognize patterns of footprints and broken branches that would be oblivious to us.

Seriously?

Are you saying that you’ve never seen an IQ Test?

bespoke
bespoke
January 17, 2023 9:41 pm

I can prune un supervised, Arky.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 17, 2023 9:42 pm

Duk, the one pilot cockpit push precedes the covid stupidity. Aviation has become so bureaucratic and security conscious that kids get no chance to be exposed and interested in it. Hence the looming pilot shortage.
I can see freight with one pilot and remote constant communication with the co-pilot on the ground in a control center with VR helmet on him or her. Nearly half of Australia’s maritime patrol capability is with remotely piloted vehicles (MQ-4C Triton), which are large aircraft.

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 9:45 pm

A hunter gatherer can recognize patterns of footprints and broken branches that would be oblivious to us.

… too many tarzan movies bong john

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 9:47 pm

A hunter gatherer can recognize patterns of footprints and broken branches that would be oblivious to us.

This is just Cultural Marxism.
Hunter gatherer can see broken branch that Airline Pilot can’t therefore hunter gatherer could fly Dreamliner if given the opportunity that pilot got.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 17, 2023 9:47 pm

“A lot of people are dying, more so than normal.”

No, people die every day, that is normal.

OIC … 100% (the 2021 number) is the same as 117% (the 2022 number)

Gottit … I haven’t kept up with the new maths….

Frank
Frank
January 17, 2023 9:47 pm

Except that they do, albeit poorly. IQ 58 makes most of the cast of “Idiocracy” look smart.

If you allow for the evolution of societies then it seems plausible that some of them had their Idiocracy moment a long time ago. A failure to regulate their selective breeding programs well. It would explain a few things without resorting to arguments about race at least.

Theoretically an IQ of zero is possible, the scale is a bell curve that extends that far. In practice that would be hard to imagine, coma patients perhaps. More realistically, beyond a certain point the numbers probably don’t help very much.

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 9:48 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
January 17, 2023 at 9:45 pm
A hunter gatherer can recognize patterns of footprints and broken branches that would be oblivious to us.

… too many tarzan movies bong john

Not all he whose DLPFCs have atrophied, I’m referencing a vision specialist on that one.

Frank
Frank
January 17, 2023 9:52 pm

Are you saying that you’ve never seen an IQ Test?

IQ tests have a language component that measures things like vocabulary, they are not all abstract patterns. There are also the number sequence parts.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 9:53 pm

Where are the Hunter Gatherers in South Sudan?

I’ll tell you where they are in The Congo, hiding in the forests from the Blacks who will rape them and enslave them, if not murder them on sight.

But, no Hunter Gatherers were IQ tested in the survey, you could bet your house on that.

Arky
January 17, 2023 9:53 pm

bespoke says:
January 17, 2023 at 9:41 pm
I can prune un supervised, Arky

..
A high pruning IQ is a rare and valuable thing.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 17, 2023 9:54 pm

A hunter gatherer can recognize patterns of footprints and broken branches that would be oblivious to us.
We can all SEE the same things. What we PERCEIVE is another matter.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 17, 2023 9:54 pm

I can see freight with one pilot and remote constant communication with the co-pilot on the ground in a control center with VR helmet on him or her.

Not using my Telstra Bigpond service I trust!

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 9:55 pm

patterns and footprints heh?

bit like like acronym’s and PubMed?

you silly man

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 17, 2023 9:57 pm

IQ tests have a language component that measures things like vocabulary, they are not all abstract patterns. There are also the number sequence parts.

What you are talking about is not a [Stanford-Binet] IQ Test, and therefore not an IQ test at all.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 17, 2023 10:06 pm

JCsays:

January 17, 2023 at 4:39 pm

Gee, it must be a really hard job for Docs at times. A person comes in for what appears to be routine surgery, dies and the doc has to inform the family. That would be really hard. I’d send in the nurse. 

This is a situation which is best dealt with using a form letter from the secretary.
With the bill attached.

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 10:07 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
January 17, 2023 at 9:55 pm
patterns and footprints heh?

bit like like acronym’s and PubMed?

you silly man

The bod made an interesting argument about maturation of the visual system. That was that there is only so much the visual network can cope with so developmental environments shape our visual skills. An optometrist told me something very much surprised me. Professional shooters can sometimes demonstrate increased visual acuity over time. How we perceive the world requires a remarkable amount of cerebral resources, up to 30% and it is so weird because the signals first travel to a small nucleus near our ears, then to striate cortex, then further up the back of the head, and for location there are tracts to the parietal cortex, for identification to the temporal lobes, for conscious vision it appears frontal cortical activity is required. And that’s the simple account. I’m no expert on the matter and undoubtedly there is more going on. Our visual network is a shambles.

For those who want to dig deep into the subject and think about a counter-intuitive model for vision, the O’Regan and Noe model makes for an interesting read.

Entropy
Entropy
January 17, 2023 10:11 pm

A hunter gatherer can recognize patterns of footprints and broken branches that would be oblivious to us.

I’ve come in late. Is this some kind of deviant euphanism?

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 10:19 pm

IQ tests have a language component that measures things like vocabulary, they are not all abstract patterns. There are also the number sequence parts.

Frank, and if you don’t know the closest synonym or antonym for a chosen word it makes you less smart than the person who does? Less smart, even though that person knows more word associations? Naaa I’m not buying the argument.

Indolent
Indolent
January 17, 2023 10:23 pm

Does anyone seriously think that they actually took the poison they’re still pushing on everyone else?

Pilot group: Elites secretly demanding UNVAXXED pilots, flight crews

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 10:25 pm

Taleb the Leb, has shown there is no correlation between income and IQ level. He argues that IQ tests are only good to indicate for very low intelligence. If he’s right, and he had this argument a couple of years ago then IQ is total bullshit because the point always was that IQ strongly correlated to income.

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 10:26 pm

Eyriesays:
January 17, 2023 at 9:54 pm
A hunter gatherer can recognize patterns of footprints and broken branches that would be oblivious to us.
We can all SEE the same things. What we PERCEIVE is another matter

Good point. I think the of our visual sensations are often not perceived.

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 10:29 pm

Would I hire the person who shows he’s reasonably competent smarts-wise and who has demonstrated and high degree of ambition in previous work or would I hire a useless slob, who hasn’t work in years but promises me s/he’s really smart. while the depression and lack of motivation is gone? I think we know who anyone here would hire.

rickw
rickw
January 17, 2023 10:30 pm

A race war is inevitable.

When you are in a minority, starting a shooting war with the majority is not a smart idea.

But I doubt that many people think that particular individual is very smart.

At least on Black American commentator had a video of a 10 year old white girl doing an Practical Shooting competition with Pistol and Rifle. Countless ding, dings on target and seamless transitions between weapons.

His big takeaway:
You really want to start a race war with these people?!

Frank
Frank
January 17, 2023 10:31 pm

JC, there is the fluid and crystalline idea of intelligence. The fluid is the stuff captured by the pattern problems. The crystalline is meant to indicate the accumulation of knowledge and multiple choice questions like what does the word “limpid” mean are part of them. Presumably it measure how much you like to read. Fluid atrophies with age and crystalline increases.

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 10:32 pm

For those who want to dig deep into the subject and think about a counter-intuitive model for vision, the O’Regan and Noe model makes for an interesting read.

I asked an Awá tribesman what he thought about what you just posted.

he said he didn’t know because his iphone was flat

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 17, 2023 10:32 pm

Taleb the Leb, has shown there is no correlation between income and IQ level.

There is *very close* correlation between national average IQ and how ‘functional’ that country is.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World-iq-map-lynn-2002.svg

The relationship broadly holds for said country’s diaspora – eg Sudanese in Melbourne, African Americans in the US, etc, indicating IQ is strongly genetic.

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 10:36 pm

I said to him, ‘well, lets face it iPhones are technically ‘flat’ and so are androids’

he smiled at the joke

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 10:42 pm

then he said something about frogs

I didn’t pay attention because I was ordering KFC at the time

rickw
rickw
January 17, 2023 10:42 pm

I worked in one country where company dumped IQ tests because IQ tests were useless and racist and only about 1% passed the hurdle rate.

There was a strange correlation between the 1% that passed, and that 1% who could actually competently get shit done.

It’s not perfect but it ain’t BS either.

The test might be skewed towards western thinking, knowledge, culture etc. but isn’t that exactly the environment that people are required to function in?

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 10:43 pm

Franksays:
January 17, 2023 at 10:31 pm
JC, there is the fluid and crystalline idea of intelligence. The fluid is the stuff captured by the pattern problems. The crystalline is meant to indicate the accumulation of knowledge and multiple choice questions like what does the word “limpid” mean are part of them. Presumably it measure how much you like to read. Fluid atrophies with age and crystalline increases.

The decline in fluid intelligence is a depressing fact.

rickw
rickw
January 17, 2023 10:46 pm

Taleb the Leb, has shown there is no correlation between income and IQ level.

Hardly surprising, from what I can gather, promotions and opportunity and therefore income tend to be based on one’s ability to lie, cheat and steal! eg. Politicians earn more than most competent engineers!

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 10:47 pm

rickwsays:
January 17, 2023 at 10:42 pm
I worked in one country where company dumped IQ tests because IQ tests were useless and racist and only about 1% passed the hurdle rate.

There was a strange correlation between the 1% that passed, and that 1% who could actually competently get shit done.

It’s not perfect but it ain’t BS either.

The test might be skewed towards western thinking, knowledge, culture etc. but isn’t that exactly the environment that people are required to function in?

Yep, vital in our world. Hence my concerns about those who think we all have equipotential. It’s a nonsense ideologically driven argument. Even if it is biased so what? The purpose of IQ is to determine how a person will optimally function in our society. A person with an IQ of 58 wouldn’t be able to farm or build a hut.

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 10:48 pm

but isn’t that exactly the environment that people are required to function in?

Hmm … ZInger Burger and chips

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 10:49 pm

There is *very close* correlation between national average IQ and how ‘functional’ that country is.

That’s total bullshit, Duk.

Switzerland has one of the highest income per capita rates in the world. It’s nestled in between 3 relatively large countries being France, Germany and Italy.

Here are their income levels.PPP

Swiss US$66,000
France US$44,000
Germany US$ 52,500
Italy US$ 41,000

Let’s take Luxembourg which is essentially ethnically US$107,500.

There’s close to zero correlation.

The only thing that counts is how the economy is organized. That’s all. Switzerland is freer and closer to a fully open economy. National IQ and income is total bullshit.

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 10:53 pm

A person with an IQ of 58 wouldn’t be able to farm or build a hut.

which is it bong john?
hunter gatherers can make a hut, or hunter-gatherers can’t make a hut?

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 10:54 pm

John H

I’m actually pretty decent at IQ test crap. It’s not to boast but I am.

The pedantic and very subtle patterns in various IQ questions- for example in spatial recognition is total crap. Some questions could be a 50/50 shot. The real world is simply not like that.

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 10:56 pm

A person with an IQ of 58 wouldn’t be able to farm or build a hut.

As I mentioned, IQ measures extreme lack of intelligence. It has nothing to say other than that. So yeah, an IQ of 58 would imply stupidity. IQ testing cannot measure higher level intelligence. It’s just bullshit.

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 10:58 pm

Whoops
Let’s take Luxembourg which is essentially ethnically Germanic US$107,500.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 17, 2023 11:01 pm

National IQ and income is total bullshit.

Nice strawman built and burned there good sir!

I was referring to the ‘civility’ of a country vs IQ, not average income.

Did you even look at the link?

Compare how civilised (degree of development, violence level, cleanliness in the streets, level of corruption, etc etc) the ‘top 10’ vs the ‘bottom 10’ countries are ?

Top 10:
Japan – 106.49
Taiwan – 106.47
Singapore – 105.89
Hong Kong (China) – 105.37
China – 104.10
South Korea – 102.35
Belarus – 101.60
Finland – 101.20
Liechtenstein – 101.07
Netherlands & Germany

Bottom 10:
Ghana 58
Ivory Coast 58
Guinea 53
Nicaragua 52
Gambia 52
Cape Verde 52
Guatemala 47
Sierra Leone 46
Liberia 45
Nepal 43

You really cant see any sort of correlation there??

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 11:01 pm

That’s total bullshit, Duk.

hey JC, didnt you say last week that commenting on what’s wrong or right in the forum is considered to be absolutely blow-harding?

are you … by chance … blow-harding?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 17, 2023 11:02 pm

Daily Mail.

Model, 29, with M-cup breasts that weigh 4.5 kilos is ‘shocked’ by how Australians treated her while on holiday: ‘I’m a human being’

A Welsh model has revealed the incredible reaction she gets when in Australia
Jazmyne Day, 29, has M-cup breasts and is often cat called, bullied and stared at
But in Australia people treat her like a normal person which is refreshing 

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:04 pm

Here:

Germany supposedly 10th with IQ sitting at around 101.

Luxembourg is 13th with a national IQ of 99.8

Lux’s per capita income is US$107,500 while Germany is US$52,500.

Income correlation to IQ is refuted right there.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:07 pm

Nice strawman built and burned there good sir!

I was referring to the ‘civility’ of a country vs IQ, not average income.

You did, which is basically non-measurable nonsense.

Street cleanliness and civility in Luxembourg and Germany would be almost identical and look at the income difference. This alone refutes it.

Frank
Frank
January 17, 2023 11:07 pm

Jazmyne Day. No comment on the spelling involved, as for the tits, she is stacked.

Dot
Dot
January 17, 2023 11:08 pm

Cape Verde is a bucket list place for me and every Nepali I have met was smart, some were indeed very smart.

G is a thing but IQ testing doesn’t necessarily measure G.

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:09 pm

Maxi Transition.

Shut up. Your intelligence level is easily measurable- veering in the range of imbecility (as anyone can see with your senseless comments).

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 11:12 pm

of coure you aren’t blow-harding JC, carry on

I mean, don’t carry on like a complete tosser

carry on trying to make sense

… you can do it

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:14 pm

Duk, one other thing.

With respect to your civility = IQ. quotient.

How freaking “civil” were Germany, Japan in WW2?

If you measure is civility those two should have the IQ /income level of freaking Mali.

rickw
rickw
January 17, 2023 11:16 pm

The push included direct pressure from Pfizer partner BioNTech to censor activists demanding low-cost generic vaccines for low-income countries.

Obviously not satisfied with their body count in Nigeria.

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:16 pm

Maxi ransition

You degrade the site with your stupid drunken crap. You’re dumb and no amount of plagiarizing Wiki or Google search will change this. Piss off.

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:17 pm

Whoops Maxi Transition.

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 11:20 pm

JC, have you checked your own Civility Index to work out your IQ?

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 11:21 pm

you silly man

Dot
Dot
January 17, 2023 11:21 pm

Everyone is making thoughtful points regarding IQ, even if they seem irreconcilable.

Taleb is probably wrong about IQ not being correlated to GDP (per capita being the best measure impliedly capturing accumulated capital per citizen).

All of the phenomena are multifactorial and have confounding variables.

A full blown analysis with randomised blocks and time series data & methods like PLS would yield useful insights.

If you were ever forced to endure reading the Handbook of Developmental Economics, you will know from (Pack?) that technology transfer cannot be forced on an unskilled society. Ultimately it is limited by childhood nutrition (and malnutrition).

What’s disturbing in the west is increasing obesity rates and falling average IQ over time. We may be the non functioning ones in the future.

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:22 pm

MatrixTransform says:
January 17, 2023 at 11:20 pm

JC, have you checked your own Civility Index to work out your IQ?

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I’m not arguing that quotient, you ridiculous moron. Duk is.

Seriously, you’re too stupid to be here. Piss off.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 17, 2023 11:23 pm

Jimmy Kimmel roasted both Prince Harry and the late-Princess Diana during the opening monologue of his late-night show on Monday, based off the prince’s account of experiencing a frostbitten penis in his recently released book, Spare.

Harry’s inclusion of an anecdote revealing he used a lip cream favored by his mother on his penis to help tackle the frostbite has sparked an avalanche of commentary and jokes, including references to it being a “Freudian nightmare.”

In a skit, Kimmel read from a fictional children’s book based on Harry’s frostbite story, which included Diana descending from heaven to give Harry her Elizabeth Arden cosmetic cream to apply to his “willy.”

“The story of Prince Harold and his frozen yoghurt slinger is so popular, they’re now releasing a version for kids…” Kimmel told viewers on Monday night.

“It’s a twist on The Princess and the Pea, it’s called The Prince and the Penis.”

As the host read from a mocked up copy of the imaginary book, illustrations showing Diana and Harry were shown onscreen.

“At the chilly North Pole, a silly young codger, took a walk in the snow and froze his wee todger,” he read.

“The skin was discolored, all purple and white, when Harry peered down t’was a terrible sight. ‘Oh mommy, oh mommy,’ he cried with a scream, and then upon high she appeared with some cream.

“‘My poor little prince, put this cream on your willy. It will lessen the ache and make it less chilly.’

“‘But mommy, did you not put this on your lips?’

“‘Oh yes, my dear boy, and also my nips. But do not delay or your knob be destroyed.’

“‘But mommy, have you heard about Sir Sigmund Freud?

“Mommy leant down—and gave him a squirt, into the trousers, where his winkle still hurt. And low and behold, like the calm from a storm, his frozen cold snotstick was suddenly warm.

“He laughed and he smiled and he said to his mommy: ‘You rescued the snake that lives under my tummy.’ Then he tucked it back in, and back to her cloud his mother went soaring and said this aloud:

‘Should ever you have icy chills on your hardon just give it a rub with Elizabeth Arden.’”

Kimmel ended the skit by saying: “And everyone lived happily ever after in a castle next to Oprah’s house.”

Dot
Dot
January 17, 2023 11:25 pm

I think it is a time men took a stand.

I, A.B., hereby do solemnly swear to renounce any liability to assemble ANY and ALL flat-packed furniture, but PARTICULARLY any said wares with GLASS PANELLING or which is described as “GARDEN FURNITURE”.

SO HELP ME GOD!

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:26 pm

Taleb is probably wrong about IQ not being correlated to GDP (per capita being the best measure impliedly capturing accumulated capital per citizen).

He’s not. If his charts aren’t bullshit, and no one has claimed they were fiddled with then he’s right. He shows no correlation even within a nation. IQ tests measure imbecility. Maxi Trans would be in the group and so an IQ test on Trans would measure imbecility quite well. Just using him as an example.

MatrixTransform
January 17, 2023 11:26 pm

Well, then you’re not doing so well by Duk’s metric either

but, whatever

represent yrself … stand small

you always do

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:32 pm

Dot

Here’s the Leb on the subject. Note, I used to believe all the stuff about IQ testing. I change my mind after he essentially refuted the pseudo-science.

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 11:43 pm

Dotsays:
January 17, 2023 at 11:21 pm
Everyone is making thoughtful points regarding IQ, even if they seem irreconcilable.

Taleb is probably wrong about IQ not being correlated to GDP (per capita being the best measure impliedly capturing accumulated capital per citizen).

All of the phenomena are multifactorial and have confounding variables.

A full blown analysis with randomised blocks and time series data & methods like PLS would yield useful insights.

If you were ever forced to endure reading the Handbook of Developmental Economics, you will know from (Pack?) that technology transfer cannot be forced on an unskilled society. Ultimately it is limited by childhood nutrition (and malnutrition).

What’s disturbing in the west is increasing obesity rates and falling average IQ over time. We may be the non functioning ones in the future.

DOT, IQ+conscientious is a much bigger driver of academic and professional success than IQ alone.

The developmental environment is fundamental and can have huge implication. Poor nutrition, and even a living in a bad neighbourhood, has consequences. Genes set an upper limit, environment makes achieving that possible.

The IQ decline has been ongoing since the 1980’s. No clear explanation yet but here’s one experiment that touches on your point about obesity. Rats were fed a cafeteria diet. That caused an increase in brain and liver inflammation. If that is happening at an early age, not good at all for cerebral maturation. Your point also touches on a recent finding that stroke incidence is increasing among millennials. A very worrying sign. Other studies demonstrate that obesity causes a substantial increase in brain aging, again consistent with inflammation because obesity, beyond a certain point, increases the release of inflammatory mediators. Visceral fat is poison for the heart and brain.

You may be right about the future implications. I hope not but the trend isn’t looking good.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 17, 2023 11:46 pm

JC

Does the Leb gently point out the error of their ways in a kind and respectful manner.
As he’s famous for doing.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 17, 2023 11:47 pm

This one’s for military type Cats.

One time head of the Royal Australian Air Force, Air Marshall David Evans, has written his memoirs, He learned to fly during World War Two, took part in the Berlin Airlift of 1948, commanded a Canberra bomber squadron in Vietnam, and went on to fly F – 111’s.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 17, 2023 11:52 pm

With respect to your civility = IQ. quotient.

How freaking “civil” were Germany, Japan in WW2?

I admit that politics can, at times, affect the ‘civility’ of a country, but war is the effect of a failed government program (all wars are government programs), not the IQ of its citizens.

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:53 pm

JC

Does the Leb gently point out the error of their ways in a kind and respectful manner.
As he’s famous for doing.

He has a trading background so I would assume he’s perfectly fine with being shown to be wrong.

Incidentally, we worked at the same firm and attended some meetings at times. He didn’t have a winsome personality. 🙂

I never really knew him that well as he worked in emerging markets.

JC
JC
January 17, 2023 11:57 pm

Duk

You cannot split “politics” from the punters.

In Germany , 9 million men went into the armed forces, most in lockstep with the government and happy to fight and kill lots of innocent people.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 17, 2023 11:58 pm

Evans is said to have attended a formal dinner, in Canberra, at which chief of Army and Navy were also present.

Chief of Army is said got up to make an after dinner speech, during which he referred to the R.A.A.F as “the Cinderella of the three services.”

Chief of Navy is said to have got to his feet, and similarly referred to the R.A.A.F. as ” the Cinderella of the three Services.

Evans is said to have got to his feet, torn his prepared speech in half, and declared “Gentlemen, I know nothing of Cinderella, except the she had two very ugly sisters, and had to do all the work.”

John H.
John H.
January 17, 2023 11:59 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
January 17, 2023 at 11:47 pm
This one’s for military type Cats.

One time head of the Royal Australian Air Force, Air Marshall David Evans, has written his memoirs, He learned to fly during World War Two, took part in the Berlin Airlift of 1948, commanded a Canberra bomber squadron in Vietnam, and went on to fly F – 111’s.

Here’s another one. Watched it between comments:

Battle for Malaya 1941 – Full Documentary

The Brits seriously under-estimated the Japanese.

JC
JC
January 18, 2023 12:00 am

Mole

And no, he’s not respectful to much lesser mortals, which is as it should be. 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 12:09 am

Battle for Malaya 1941 – Full Documentary

Thank you – I’ll bookmark that one, and watch it later on.

Digger
Digger
January 18, 2023 12:10 am

This is Trump’s Achillies Heel. He seems incapable of admitting a mistake.

I agree with you, 100%. The entire vaccine program from inception, funding, pressure to produce and release before the 2020 election was his baby. He spruiked about it as early as 29 April, 2020 when Bloomberg released news of Operation Warp Speed. 100 million doses were to be released by November, just before the election.

Any criticism about the vaccines, their haste to introduce and the end result can be directed right into the lap of Donald Trump. I have been a Trump supporter but his ego, insatiable appetite for power directly fed into mRNA being used for these vaccines. American taxpayers money and an open cheque book with Trump signed blank cheques led directly to every issue these vaccines now represent….

No amount of excuses can change the genesis of these vaccines….

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 12:15 am

The Brits seriously under-estimated the Japanese.

I think it was an exercise in logic that went seriously wrong. The Russians had defeated the Japanese in the border battles of 1938. The Russians had, in their turn copped a severe flogging at the hands of the Finns, in 1940, so the Japanese couldn’t have been much threat…

John H.
John H.
January 18, 2023 12:27 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
January 18, 2023 at 12:15 am
The Brits seriously under-estimated the Japanese.

I think it was an exercise in logic that went seriously wrong. The Russians had defeated the Japanese in the border battles of 1938. The Russians had, in their turn copped a severe flogging at the hands of the Finns, in 1940, so the Japanese couldn’t have been much threat…

That’s part of it. The estimates of required forces to defend Singapore were never achieved, way under in some respects. Another problem was that Brits only had Buffalo fighters. Churchill talked about fortress Singapore but the Japanese moved so quickly down the peninsula there wasn’t time for the reinforcements to arrive.

John H.
John H.
January 18, 2023 12:31 am

Diggersays:
January 18, 2023 at 12:10 am
This is Trump’s Achillies Heel. He seems incapable of admitting a mistake.

I agree with you, 100%. The entire vaccine program from inception, funding, pressure to produce and release before the 2020 election was his baby. He spruiked about it as early as 29 April, 2020 when Bloomberg released news of Operation Warp Speed. 100 million doses were to be released by November, just before the election.

Any criticism about the vaccines, their haste to introduce and the end result can be directed right into the lap of Donald Trump. I have been a Trump supporter but his ego, insatiable appetite for power directly fed into mRNA being used for these vaccines. American taxpayers money and an open cheque book with Trump signed blank cheques led directly to every issue these vaccines now represent….

No amount of excuses can change the genesis of these vaccines….

It’s worse than that Digger. Australia, Canada, and Britain are investing in mRNA production facilities. Far too premature for that. Prof Clancy argues mRNA will be valuable but not now because the technology has not sufficiently matured. It can take decades for a new medical technology to mature. For example, cancer immunotherapy began in the 70’s but it has only been in the last decade substantial progress has been made. Nonetheless it is far from being a silver bullet.

Arky
January 18, 2023 12:42 am

but the Japanese moved so quickly down the peninsula there wasn’t time for the reinforcements to arrive.

..
By bicycle in many cases.

Tom
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Miltonf
Miltonf
January 18, 2023 5:15 am

Why Sturgeon’s gender bill had to be stopped-ugly slag

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 18, 2023 5:24 am

From Berenson’s column overnight.
He quotes from a CDC report (pre-COVID).

“In 1999, the age-adjusted death rate in rural areas was 7% higher than in urban areas; by 2019, the rate in rural areas was 20% higher than in urban areas.”

I wonder what it is now.
How many people just couldn’t be bothered going to a specialist or getting health care if they have to travel for 2 hours each way to receive it?

rickw
rickw
January 18, 2023 6:19 am

I was going to write a missive about the anniversary of my termination by big oil and Australian government.

But it isn’t worth it.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 6:36 am

Yes it is rickw. Many of us followed you through it as it happened. Your experience is important. I’m still perplexed as to why they sacked you after you complied. You hinted at a particular hostile manager.

The story (as I understand it from your series of comments at the time) is one of the more shocking abuses.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 6:37 am

Knock me down with a feather.

Surprise! Australia’s Green Transition Energy Price Caps are Causing Supply Side Chaos (16 Jan)

Gas price caps haven’t been silver bullet the Albanese government was hoping for

Industry behaving like a ‘bunch of bullies’ and potentially withholding supply, users say, while producers argue intervention has ‘paralysed the market’

Funny how price caps always do this. It’s almost as if the Labor Party didn’t learn anything at all from all those empty Soviet shops.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 6:38 am

Unless you just want to leave it all behind and move on without reliving it again as you write. Understandable in the circumstances and for many people this is a healthier option.

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 18, 2023 6:46 am

The Brits seriously under-estimated the Japanese.

It couldn’t have helped that the Japanese also had the detail of the defences of Malaya and Singapore given to them by the Germans.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 6:46 am

Also, I just read about Carpe and min and the building fiasco. It’s in Victoria, so I don’t know what avenues she can pursue there. In NSW we have the Consumer Claims Tribunal and other organisations. How about the ACCC?

It sounds like an extremely complex situation that has run its course through the usual channels without resolution (which usually means that there will be no resolution outside the courts). Well above my pay grade and a candidate for a legal opinion/representation.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 18, 2023 6:55 am

Be pissed rickw but don’t be bitter. I’ve seen too many being bitter. It engulfs everything they do. They’re still in the same place as years ago. From what you’ve said in the past you’re not one of them but sometimes events overcome the most vigilant.

Frank
Frank
January 18, 2023 7:08 am

Apparently Davos is full of high class hookers at the moment due to the WEF meetings. Wonder what the going rate is for smoking Klaus.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 7:10 am

And then there are the prostitutes.

shatterzzz
January 18, 2023 7:16 am

Didn’t make the headlines, tucked in near the end of the “news” section .. surprised it even made it into the media .. FFS!
Vic plod investigate Vic plod .. justice is served .. well marinated .. FFS!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11642991/Cop-accused-covering-journalist-pepper-spray-cleared-wrongdoing-despite-payout.html

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 18, 2023 7:27 am

And then there are the prostitutes.

Boom Tish! Stay for the veal lol

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 7:28 am
Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 7:28 am

“Any criticism about the vaccines, their haste to introduce and the end result can be directed right into the lap of Donald Trump. I have been a Trump supporter but his ego, insatiable appetite for power directly fed into mRNA being used for these vaccines. American taxpayers money and an open cheque book with Trump signed blank cheques led directly to every issue these vaccines now represent….”

I don’t think Trump had an “insatiable appetite for power”. I think there was a vortex of factors that contributed to Trump and many others actively pushing for a vaccine. I supported the vaccine back in 2020/2021, although, given my age I never thought I needed to have the jab but I was happy for a vaccine for the elderly. I never supported vaccine mandates and lockdowns, I only got the first two jabs because my work mandated it (I’ve not had the booster). My goodness, how people have short memories, even here. 2020 was a reelection year, and Trump was set to win the reelection, in a big way, the economy was booming, the borders were under control and so on. However, a deadly pyre was being slowly lit at the beginning of 2020, you could almost feel it, with the onset of the China virus and then the death of Georgina Floydina, a pyre I now believe was deliberate, orchestrated to destroy Trump. It quickly encircled Trump and his administration which is why they looked to a vaccine to remedy the situation. Crucially, Trump was saddled with Fauci, and those who remembered the Aids crisis knew that Fauci was going to be a disaster in dealing with the China virus, and I suspect Trump knew too but he was caught between a rock and a hard place in regards to Fauci. Trump probably wanted to terminate Fauci (which is what DeSantis did with his first Chief Medical Officer) but he couldn’t. Fauci’s whole medical career is based on pushing for vaccines, vaccines, vaccines, even whilst people slowly die. Back in the 80s, when gay men were dying en masse, Fauci, rather than pushing for effective drugs to treat Aids, spent years pushing for a vaccine. It’s Fauci who had the insatiable appetite for power.

From the beginning the vaccines were deliberately politicised and used as a method of coercion and control. I don’t think this was Trump’s intention. This happened across the West.

Anyway, the pyre was lit and we know what ensued, lockdowns, vaccine mandates, a summer of “peaceful” riots, an economy devasted and a good presidency destroyed. The MSM, the Demonrats, BLM and Antifa did their job very well. The toxic and diabolical brew of Covid and race put an end to Trump’s presidency.

Oh and if Orange Man had such an insatiable appetite for power, he’d still be POTUS. He isn’t, instead we have a crooked, criminal, senile old rotting corpse and the world now is a much more dangerous place than it was at the beginning of 2020.

sfw
sfw
January 18, 2023 7:32 am

GreyRanga

I’ve posted before about my brother, he was sacked by the YMCA after refusing the jab. He has become very bitter, he’s 62, on the dole now and I doubt that he will ever work again. This is a man who has never had a gov handout, worked hard all his life and did well, even though his dyslexia makes it hard for him to read well.

He hates the world and just relives the past. He comes around to my place nearly everyday and just gripes about the injustice. I do my best to listen and take time out for him but his bitterness is becoming almost unbearable.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 7:39 am

Short memories bolster world views. And it’s handy that SincCat is no more. There were plenty who took the stuff coming out of China, if not hook line and sinker, at least very seriously. I was one of them. There were many.

I don’t agree with the “lust for power” being peculiar to Trump, in that every politician has a measure of it, otherwise they wouldn’t throw their hat into the ring. The power + the wish to do good is rarer, and I think Trump had good will towards America, not a wish for power as an end in itself. Events overtook him, helped along by some of the most evil people I have ever witnessed doing what they do best.

His “blank cheque” gave opportunists the opening they were waiting for.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 7:42 am

“The power + the wish to do good is rarer, and I think Trump had good will towards America, not a wish for power as an end in itself. Events overtook him, helped along by some of the most evil people I have ever witnessed doing what they do best.”

A very, very good summation.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 18, 2023 7:47 am

Bruce o’Newk touched on the er, failure of gas prices to magically decrease on the whims of Albo and Bowen. Hun:

Household gas bills are set to soar by about 20 per cent in Victoria from next month, with one retailer announcing a price rise of a whopping 26.7 per cent.

The increase is set to put even more pressure on homes struggling to cope with the cost of living crisis.

Energy Australia on Tuesday announced that its Victorian residential gas customers on variable market contracts would see their bills increase by an average of 26.7 from February 1.

Origin and AGL last week said their rates would increase by 22.1 per cent and 21.4 per cent respectively from next month.

The price hike means household gas bills are likely to rise to about $900 a year – almost $150 more than the reported average of $744, according to Canstar Blue’s latest figures from December.

Analysis of current market offers from Origin, AGL and Energy Australia – which between them hold more than 75 per cent of the east coast energy market – shows prices in Victoria have jumped by an average of 19 per cent over the past year.

The sharp spike means the most competitive household gas prices in the state are already as high as the Federal Treasurer’s worst-case scenario.

Announcing Labor’s price cap on wholesale gas last month, Jim Chalmers warned that without action, retail gas prices were expected to increase by 20 per cent in both 2022-23 and 2023-24, “with the majority of gas price increase for this year having already occurred due to global energy shocks”.

“With these policy interventions, Treasury now forecasts that retail gas prices would rise by around 18 per cent this financial year, with most of this increase having already occurred, and by around 4 per cent in 2023-24 – rather than 20 per cent in each year,” Dr Chalmers said on December 9.

Gavin Dufty, general manager of policy and research at St Vincent de Paul, warned of delayed and extreme bill shock in the middle of this year, when increased winter heating costs were likely to coincide with hikes in mortgage repayments and other key household expenses.

“After switching on their heaters, people will be falling off their chairs with the size of the bill,” Mr Dufty said.

“What we’d be saying to people is when you get that notice that your prices are changing for gas, please make sure that you’re on the best-worst deal that’s out there. They’re all bad at the moment, but getting a better deal will save you hundreds of dollars.”

The price revelations come as top gas producers say they won’t finalise new supply contracts for 2024 until the Albanese government unveils its controversial mandatory code of conduct.

The government failed to ease industry concerns about its ­energy market intervention after the consumer watchdog released new compliance guidelines for the temporary gas price cap on Tuesday.

Gina Rinehart-controlled Senex warned that uncertainty over the mandatory code of conduct could hobble gas deals spanning nearly two decades.

A spokesman for Energy ­Minister Chris Bowen said the government had been “extremely concerned about the sustained pressure to global energy ­markets, cause by Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine – that has pushed gas and coal prices to unprecedented levels all over the world.”

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 18, 2023 7:50 am

The rise of Albo gives you a fuller understanding of the complete and utter ineptitude of SloMo. FMD

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 18, 2023 7:52 am

Great analysis Cassie. The evil that was done to oust Trump is truely horrifying.

bespoke
bespoke
January 18, 2023 7:58 am

rickwsays:
January 18, 2023 at 6:19 am
I was going to write a missive about the anniversary of my termination by big oil and Australian government.

But it isn’t worth it.

It is. Your story and others is important for the next generation to understand the human impact. Maybe later when it’s not so taxing.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 18, 2023 8:03 am

Not sure Iran can play this game but each to their own. Prince Harry noos from Justin Vallejo Hun:

Prince Harry has been dragged into a diplomatic dispute on human rights after Iran accused the Royal of war crimes over his admission in Spare of killing 25 Taliban in Afghanistan.

In a stunning backfire from his memoir spare, the Duke of Sussex has landed at the centre of an international firestorm between the United Kingdom and the Islamic regime in Tehran.

The Iran Foreign Ministry’s official Twitter account turned its rhetorical crosshairs toward the Duke in an escalating row over the execution of UK citizen, and former Iranian deputy defence minister, Alireza Akbari.

“The British regime, whose royal family member, sees the killing of 25 innocent people as removal of chess pieces and has no regrets over the issue, and those who turn a blind eye to this war crime, are in no position to preach others on human rights.”

In the explosive tell-all, Prince Harry recalled he could always know, “precisely”, how many enemy combatants he killed.

“And I felt it vital never to shy away from that number,” he wrote. “While in the heat and fog of combat, I didn’t think of those twenty-five as people. You can’t kill people if you think of them as people,” he added.

“You can’t really harm people if you think of them as people. They were chess pieces removed from the board, Bads taken away before they could kill Goods. I’d been trained to ‘other-ize’ them, trained well.”

In a tweet storm to deflect away Britain’s outrage at the of death Mr Akbari, the Iran Foreign Ministry used Prince Harry’s admission as an example of hypocrisy on human rights abuses.

The 61-year-old had moved to the UK and became a naturalised citizen before he was lured back to Iran in 2019 and charged with spying. He was executed last week in a move Britain’s Prime Minister Rishi Sunak labelled a “cowardly act, carried out by a barbaric regime”.

Iran’s response, led by Foreign Affairs Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, called the execution a “decisive response” from the judiciary to Britain’s encroachment on its national security.

“The British regime’s uproar and the support of some European self-proclaimed defenders of human rights for London is only a sign of their evasion and violation of law,” the Iranian foreign ministry tweeted.

“UK’s aggression against #Iran’s national security has met Iran’s decisive intelligence and judicial response. The #British regime’s screaming bloody murder & the EU’s support for London’s illegal action indicates that their chanting #HumanRights is nothing more than #rule_of_lie.”

Akbari denied being a spy for Britain’s intelligence agency MI6, but he was hanged after being convicted of “corruption on earth and harming the country’s internal and external security by passing on intelligence.”

In response, UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly imposed sanctions on Iran’s prosecutor general and summoned Tehran’s envoy in Britain. Iran fired back by summoning the British ambassador in protests of “unconventional interventions”.

The release of Prince Harry’s memoir, and its revelations of his Taliban body count in Afghanistan, was seized on for moral cover by the authoritarian Islamic regime, which human rights experts estimate has arrested over 18,000 protesters since September, with at least 470 executed.

It comes after the Taliban said the International Criminal Court and human rights activists were “deaf and blind” to the British royal, but his “atrocities” will be remembered by history.

“Mr Harry! The ones you killed were not chess pieces, they were humans; they had families who were waiting for their return,” the Taliban said in a statement.

“Among the killers of Afghans, not many have your decency to reveal their conscience and confess to their war crimes. The truth is what you’ve said; Our innocent people were chess pieces to your soldiers, military and political leaders. Still, you were defeated in that ‘game’ of white & black ‘square’.”

Prince Harry addressed criticism of his Taliban body count during an interview with political commentator Stephen Colbert, (chortle) saying it was a lie that he “boasted” about the number of people that he killed in Afghanistan.

“If I heard anyone boasting about that kind of thing I would be angry,” Prince Harry said.

“That’s dangerous. And my words are not dangerous but the spin of my words are dangerous to my family.”

shatterzzz
January 18, 2023 8:06 am

How many people just couldn’t be bothered going to a specialist or getting health care if they have to travel for 2 hours each way to receive it?

I thjink a lot of us operate this way .. I, almost, died from Cancer cos I was happy to accept a doctor telling me I wasn’t really sick .. just one of the signs of old age coming thru! ..
if it hadn’t been for my kids dragging me off for a 2nd opinion ……… duuuuh!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 8:08 am

Prince Harry has been dragged into a diplomatic dispute on human rights after Iran accused the Royal of war crimes over his admission in Spare of killing 25 Taliban in Afghanistan.

Speaking of Harry…

Prince Harry mentioned his private parts over 15 times in memoir ‘Spare’ (17 Jan)

He likes numbers ending in five.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 18, 2023 8:09 am

For those who doubt my thesis that War is now usually just another sales opportunity for ‘big war’ in the same way as ill health is just another sales strategy for ‘big pharma’, from American Thinker:

to date – check out the list in The Hill article – the Biden administration has committed at least as much to the Ukraine as was lost in Afghanistan when we bugged out. Maybe a lot more. Say, between Afghanistan and the Ukraine, the total is close to $175 billion in equipment. That’s equipment that must be replaced before our military services will be ready to once again defend America.

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 18, 2023 8:22 am

The Saxe Coburg tampons look more and more like trailer trash with money every day. I really only tolerate them here in Oz because the so called Republicans are even more obnoxious. Now the Queen is gone I can say in all honesty I have no affection for them whatsoever.

Indolent
Indolent
January 18, 2023 8:24 am

Any criticism about the vaccines, their haste to introduce and the end result can be directed right into the lap of Donald Trump. I have been a Trump supporter but his ego, insatiable appetite for power directly fed into mRNA being used for these vaccines. American taxpayers money and an open cheque book with Trump signed blank cheques led directly to every issue these vaccines now represent….

No. He is not a doctor or a scientist. He had to rely on “expert” opinion and he was lied to, as were we.

However, we have woken up and it’s about time that he did too. Have you noticed that the only time his supporters boo is when he spruiks the jabs?

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 8:32 am

He’s been wedged, Indolent. Any criticism will be sheeted directly back to him. No one will take any responsibility at all. He indemnified the pharma companies, for goodness’ sake!

At best, he will be considered a rube for buying the thing, at worst underwriting and enabling it. Whichever way he turns, he’s sunk, and any semblance of truthful dialogue and analysis. It’s a political albatross.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 8:35 am

Miltonf says:
January 18, 2023 at 8:22 am
The Saxe Coburg tampons look more and more like trailer trash with money every day. I really only tolerate them here in Oz because the so called Republicans are even more obnoxious. Now the Queen is gone I can say in all honesty I have no affection for them whatsoever.

Accept an authentic classical republic into your heart and you will be saved.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 18, 2023 8:36 am

Labor Govt in Australia – PM downplays detail concerns about Voice, likening to Sydney Harbour Bridge

Anthony Albanese refused to outline the finer details of the Voice in a fiery interview with Ben Fordham.

Vote

Are you in favour of enshrining a First Nations Voice to Parliament in the Australian Constitution?

Yes 70 %
No 17 %
Unsure 13 %

1369 votes

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 18, 2023 8:36 am

So gas is going to become more expensive, because gas bad, and Elbow and Co are going to make it pricier.

I did see something about restaurants complaining that a) they didn’t want to cook without gas because it was a better system, and b) if they had to replace their stoves they were up for a bug expense – $20k was going to be the case in one example just to replace two stoves.

Presumably that is the situation in homes too.

But what happens with bottled gas for BBQs? Is the great Aussie backyard going to be impacted due to the climate change warriors?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2023 8:37 am

Driving past the VicPol gym yesterday afternoon when the ute was pushed sideways. Simultaneously it felt like I’d driven into a pothole, so much so the radio was knocked off station.

Turned out it was an air displacement event, caused by the flapping of multiple bingo wings at once.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 18, 2023 8:40 am

Terry McCrann weighs in:

What could possibly have gone wrong?

A trainee treasurer, an energy minister who thinks it’s a fantastic idea to string a 4000km extension cord to Singapore, and a prime minister who hasn’t a clue about the most basic interest rate in the economy, cook up a scheme to supposedly cap gas prices?

Oh yes, and advised – for want of a better word – by the same utterly inept Treasury that came up with a flawed and obviously so from the get-go JobKeeper scheme that poured something north of $40bn straight down the toilet?

And the whole dangerously dodgy ramshackle Heath Robinson structure starts imploding almost immediately.

Yes, we have successfully capped the price you will pay for gas; pity that you won’t actually be able to get any.

Who could possibly have guessed?

Well, I did sort of suggest back in early December that it mightn’t work quite so brilliantly.

Although I did pull my punches a tad, by tentatively suggesting that it was “short-term stupidity wrapped up within long-term lunacy”.

As you can see, just the mildest of criticisms.

I wasn’t of course on my lonesome. All sorts of other players suggested that this simplistic –I have to add, that’s the brand of the current Treasury – blunt price cap would have all sorts of, needless to say unwelcome, ‘unintended consequences’.

True, many of them were ‘speaking their own book’. Nobody selling something wants it to have a price cap.

But then, ‘speaking your book’ were precisely the people who were going to act in response to what the government was imposing.

They are precisely the ones who are not going to sell their product if they find the price unattractive– far less, spend money finding and developing more of the stuff.

Just think of it in terms of property.

If the government imposed price caps on property, do you think, do you really thunk, owners would be rushing to sell?

And that’s precisely what’s happened.

The first bit – not going out of your way to sell more stuff into the market, now; the second bit – not spending money to produce more gas, going forward.

I doubt that our intrepid trio have the slightest idea of just how stupid they announced and continue to announce themselves to be.

First, as their fundamental policy objective: we want to eliminate all and every bit of use of fossil fuels – oil, gas and coal.

But heck, we are outraged that their prices are going up – forget about Russia and Ukraine, because we are united in stopping the development of more supply in Australia.

Have any of the trio heard of the basic laws of demand and supply? That if you restrict supply, prices go up?

Apparently not.

They think that they can simultaneously prohibit development of new gas, coal and oil, but demand unlimited volumes continue to be provided to the market and at prices plucked out of the air.

It’s as if they’ve spent their entire lives cocooned in the 1960s Soviet Union or the 1970s, all the way through to today, Cuba.

Do you want to be afraid, really afraid?

They are only getting started. We are 8 months – less than 25 per cent – into a three year Labor-Green term.

I don’t know which is worse: when our peripatetic PM is out of the country, seemingly most weeks?

So the trainee treasurer and the “I’m still upbeat and excited” about the proposed extension cord to Singapore twerp are left to run free?

Or when he pays the occasional visit home to, say, appoint Kevin Rudd to Washington, putting the old disastrous team from 2013 back together?

Say what you like about the disastrous Whitlam team; at least we didn’t get them back a decade later.

Indolent
Indolent
January 18, 2023 8:41 am

Oh my God!

The Right Words Are Crucial to Solving Climate Change

One thing we can all do to ease this gridlock is to alter the language and messages we use about climate change. The words we use and the stories we tell matter. Transforming the way we talk about climate change can engage people and build the political will needed to implement policies strong enough to confront the crisis with the urgency required.

To inspire people, we need to tell a story not of sacrifice and deprivation but of opportunity and improvement in our lives, our health and our well-being—a story of humans flourishing in a post-fossil-fuel age.

Anchor What
Anchor What
January 18, 2023 8:41 am

Could somebody please post Tim Blair’s latest blog re his New Year heart attack?
I don’t give money to either The Australian or the Daily Telegraph any more.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 18, 2023 8:45 am

Turned out it was an air displacement event, caused by the flapping of multiple bingo wings at once.

I need to head to work, but I think a polite golf clap sir is in order. Well done

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 18, 2023 8:47 am

Anchor Wat:

Actually, let me take that back. I did have a choice. I chose to ignore relatively mild early symptoms and instead filed this year’s predictions – which somehow didn’t include any personal cardiac catastrophes. Bit of a missed opportunity there.

Symptoms intensified on January 2. I was suffering, to use a medical acronym I’d soon learn, a full-blown STEMI.

Then followed a sequence of locations and events familiar to many, beginning at the local emergency department, progressing through specialist relocation, then to a successful angioplasty and ending with a stretch in intensive care before release.

The number of individual and collective decisions made about my treatment during this time must number deep into the hundreds. As well, some of those calls – particularly in the early touch-and-go phase – gave little opportunity for consultation and allowed only tiny margins of error.

Yet across the board, on everything from adrenaline and magnesium doses to injection sites and blood pressure testing frequency, those decisions were astonishingly accurate. If they were otherwise, I’d have since been replaced by an AI text generator and this post would be full of glitch/glitch/glitch [error.identification.program/notification/running/stall]

My deepest thanks to everyone involved, especially the nurses and orderlies. They’re a fun crowd.

One small complaint, although I’m not sure to whom this should be addressed. I’ve been hospitalised for prolonged periods three times in adulthood. Each episode has coincided with a dull, drawn Test match – in 1993, 2008 and now in 2023.

Whoever is responsible, please do something. I’ll be back in a week or so.

At work, that is. Not in hospital.

(Now I am off 🙂 )

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 8:47 am

On the NHS and Covid panic:

I’m trying to work out what this person, Sai, is saying.

First of all, I’m very cautious about anonymous Twitter people, probably a sensible thing. They might be who they say they are, then again, they might not. The site appears to be all about advertising their business.

Putting that aside,

When covid-19 deaths needed to be increased, the hospital would switch to the Medical Examiner System.

I don’t understand. They said that the ME system was adopted in 2019, then that it appears to be entirely optional for each hospital. This doesn’t sound right to me – the Coroner’s responsibilities are universal, not restricted to individual sites.

I get that other causes of death, or comorbidities, were ignored – we all watched that in real time. I’m just struggling with the institutional side of things.

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