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Saturn Devouring his Son, Peter Paul Rubens, 1636


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H B Bear
H B Bear
March 23, 2023 7:15 pm

Kangaroo Court of Australia

Well, I s’pose it was only a matter of time.

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 7:15 pm

Jeez kez, you’re such a poseur. (French for poser).

cohenite
March 23, 2023 7:18 pm

Outstanding work by thorpie today at the Kellie-Jay event in Canberra. I must say she looked very expert on her knees as she crawled away.

2dogs
March 23, 2023 7:18 pm

Regarding this, are we to understand that this is the text of the constitutional change?

In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:

1.There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
2.The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
3.The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

There is nothing in there suggesting how the body is composed or appointed/elected. The constitutional change could be effected simply by renaming the existing National Indigenous Australians Agency as the “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice”.

It’s Remarkable
It’s Remarkable
March 23, 2023 7:20 pm

Thanks Calli,
I wondered and was going form media reports, either they or me got things confused.
I can agree that Linda Burnie might be of that vintage…. And also the hair colour is remarkable.

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 7:20 pm

Having staked his premiership on this signature policy I should think he’d have to resign.

Rog, dude you’re talking about a modern Liars party leader. The only way they get him out of there would be on a stretcher and he stopped breathing for a week.

Anyway, I think Liar party rules are now that it’s almost impossible to squash their leader without a very cumbersome effort.

I can’t recall exactly but I think it requires both the members and liar party parliamentarians to vote him out.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 7:23 pm

I owned and rode a Honda 300 in the early sixties. A big heavy bike with double exhausts.
Most were 250cc but mine was 300. Good times. Rebelling my way into education.
In the 50’s I didn’t go for bikes and bikies, although there were plenty around then.
Big Sis and I were trying to fly under the radar of welfare till I was seventeen.

Thorpe is no bikies’ moll. She’s far too middle class.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 23, 2023 7:24 pm

The International Criminal Court has made Putin an alleged criminal

I had mixed feelings about this one…

Former Russian President threatens missile strike against ICC after Putin arrest warrant (20 Mar)

I’m not a fan of the ICC, but it would be slightly hard on The Hague for the Russians to hypersonic missile strike the place because of a bunch of unelected legal nazis in it.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
March 23, 2023 7:25 pm

She’s a certifiable nutcase knowing the MSM whores will give her the airtime she craves.

————-

Real Rukshan:

Lidia Thorpe’s deranged madness must be rejected.

As a Senator in the Australian Parliament, she should not be using her privileged position to intimidate and harass members of the public gathered peacefully to debate and present ideas.

There is especially no place in Australia for politicians to intimidate and exclude from the public square women sharing legitimate concerns that impact them in Australia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxKQc_IFfM8

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 7:25 pm

The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution

That’s a wide open door for the High Court to march through.

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 23, 2023 7:26 pm

2.The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth…
3.The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws..

Nothing there about the right of the parliament or the executive to ignore representations and decide against that which is being proposed.

rosie
rosie
March 23, 2023 7:26 pm

What does John Pesutto have to say about the Catholic Bishops of the US stance on trans surgery etc.
Is there a motion to expell the Church from the Liberal party?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 7:26 pm

The Japanese Codes were no secret to the Americans, they first broke them in the 1920s.
See:
Herbert O. Yardley.

If you bothered to read the link you posted, you would have observed that the Americans had broken the Japanese DIPLOMATIC codes as early as the 1920’s – they were attempting to break the Japanese NAVAL codes at the time of Pearl Harbor.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 7:31 pm

There is nothing in there suggesting how the body is composed or appointed/elected.

Who cares, it’s window dressing.
The big issue is that Parliament can’t ignore it’s “Advice”.

That means that whoever pulls the strings of the Voice Puppets
is King of Australia, and above all Law.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 23, 2023 7:32 pm

Lidia memed 1

Lidia memed 2

Chris
Chris
March 23, 2023 7:34 pm

Suggestions on a covid tonic.
I’ve got plenty gin and scotch. Not a big fan of brandy or vodka.
Is it Woodstocks?

Covid means no taste? West End, Southwark, XXXX or Diggers metho.

cohenite
March 23, 2023 7:35 pm

Latham not confident about winning kean’s seat of Hornsby and really relying on expanding PHON’s LC representation to 5.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 7:37 pm

Will “Advice” from The Voice to Parliament be published for discussion before it’s acted upon?
Of course not.
There’ll be a King behind the scenes, if some MultiNational wants Indulgence at Australia’s expense, they’ll pay our King.

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 23, 2023 7:39 pm

Just watching Mark Latham on Bolt – politically, I’m in love.

To the rest of youse. The best way out of our political malaise: adopt optional preferential voting.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 7:42 pm

Real Rukshan:

Lidia Thorpe’s deranged madness must be rejected.

As a Senator in the Australian Parliament, she should not be using her privileged position to intimidate and harass members of the public gathered peacefully to debate and present ideas.

No thanks, Rukshan.
I don’t need an economic migrant from Sri Lanka telling me what Australians should be doing.

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 7:45 pm

Just wondering , how do Putin “groupettes” feel about the new world order under Xi with Putin becoming Xi’s little bitch selling oil&gas to China at a massive discount to the open market?

Indolent
Indolent
March 23, 2023 7:53 pm
Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
March 23, 2023 7:53 pm

Dear Catallaxy Editor,
I write to express my disapproval of Paul Joseph Watson’s video from early this morning entitled “Just get the hell away”. He repeats Scott Adams’ poll reaction from a few weeks ago then shows a recent (so-called) viral video of a black man racially abusing some (allegedly) europeans on a subway train. Scott Adams does not speak for most white people. I assume the black man on the train doesn’t speak for most black people in America. To juxtapose these two statistical outliers, suggesting the second is a frequent plausible threat and that the first should be the majority’s reaction to it, is both wrong and false.
I can’t remember the last time PJW said something that was actually false, but here he’s done it. The single poll he cites in support still shows over 60% of whites and blacks have a positive view of the other, so this mutual hatred that PJW is trying to conjure up is not the common opinion there. It doesn’t seem that long ago that we were agreeing that the solution to hate speech is good speech, not censorship nor isolationist division.
Not impressed with PJW today, and interested in knowing if other Catallaxians were similarly unimpressed when they saw it.
– Unimpressed, Brisvegas.

Roger
Roger
March 23, 2023 7:56 pm

Rog, dude you’re talking about a modern Liars party leader. The only way they get him out of there would be on a stretcher and he stopped breathing for a week.

Quite right; what was I thinking?

Mind you, his animus against Australians in such a scenario will be difficult to disguise.

A good government might lose its way.

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 23, 2023 7:56 pm

Tom @ 5:41pm
Markson is one the media idiots who support the tokenism of the Voice because it makes her feel good as a whitey in a distant city.

Tom, she got so close to barracking for it that she had to qualify her position as a just a “disinterested” journalist.

Cassie of Sydney
March 23, 2023 7:56 pm

I don’t think Sleazy the Slusher’s tears will help him spruik the Voice in middle and working Australia.

People are seething.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 23, 2023 7:59 pm

There seems to be quite the connection between Nazis and homosexuals, extending from Rehm to the waxed, buffed members of the Black Shorts on the weekend.

Cassie of Sydney
March 23, 2023 8:03 pm

Sharri has her faults, but she also has her positives. I haven’t watched her all week because I knew her take on those elusive Grampian Nazis mysteriously appearing out of no where at a women’s march last Saturday in Melbourne would come straight from the progressive playbook. She should know better, as an investigative journalist, who’s quite good at investigative journalism, she should be interested in how and why a group of elusive and very mysterious Nazis suddenly appeared.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 8:06 pm

Suggestions on a covid tonic.

Hairy swears by his usual dosage of pleasant alcoholic beverages, which he continued to use during this second bout of Covid. It makes me feel better, was his only response to me querying whether he should give it a rest. He did seem to get over it very quickly on that self-prescription. My brain disintegrated for a day when I suspect I had it. Huge tiredness – I think that was the day here on which I couldn’t divide $150 by 6. Such a stress, it was. 🙂

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 8:07 pm

There seems to be quite the connection between Nazis and homosexuals, extending from Rehm to the waxed, buffed members of the Black Shorts on the weekend.

Along with the long black shiny leather coats they wore back then. That was so gay even for those times.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 8:10 pm

People are seething.

They certainly are if you look at the comments under a recent aggregation of articles on the Voice.

Almost universally angry and condemnatory. My piece got up, 33 likes, and said what so many others were also saying.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 8:10 pm

On the Oz, that is.

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 8:11 pm

Absolutely true. As far as I can see, America has no moral authority left.

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Mexico’s President AMLO says the United States cannot talk about human rights with Julian Assange detained, cartel violence with President Joe Biden bombing the Nord Stream pipeline, or democracy while arresting the leading presidential candidate Donald Trump.

Oh sure. It’s not because the Mexican president and his administration are fully paid up members of the cartels. No siree. They’re only at breakeven in the China fentanyl trade.

Eventually the US military has to go in there and clean house.

calli
calli
March 23, 2023 8:13 pm

Day of the Black Shorts

When fear and loathing minced the streets of Melbourne.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 8:15 pm

If you bothered to read the link you posted, you would have observed that the Americans had broken the Japanese DIPLOMATIC codes as early as the 1920’s – t

Ha ha, Cletus.
They were attempting to break the Japanese NAVAL codes at the time of Pearl Harbor.
Why did they sack Yardley and disband the Black Chamber in the 1930s, then?
He had been the head of The Black Chamber since 1920.
I’ll tell you.
Herbert Stimson, Secretary of War during the interwar years, said,
Gentlemen don’t read one an other’s mail.
Yardley interpreted that as a heads up that the Roosevelt Administration wanted a War with Japan.

Roger
Roger
March 23, 2023 8:19 pm

…she should be interested in how and why a group of elusive and very mysterious Nazis suddenly appeared.

So why isn’t she?

Anyone with functioning synapses is asking questions.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 23, 2023 8:21 pm

Albo is right. It will end in tears.

cohenite
March 23, 2023 8:23 pm

Eva Vlaardingerbroek is one of the leading anti-alarmists. Check her out and compare her with that stunted retard greta.

Frank
Frank
March 23, 2023 8:24 pm

Eva Vlaardingerbroek; what a hog.

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 8:25 pm

cohenite says:
March 23, 2023 at 8:23 pm

Eva Vlaardingerbroek is one of the leading anti-alarmists. Check her out and compare her with that stunted retard greta.

But Cronker’s she’s not muscled up like one of your “cute-owls”. You don’t like trannies anymore and go for the girl next door look? Good for you.

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 23, 2023 8:25 pm

Tony McAvoy SC – a member of the referendum working group – was just on Kenny. – He was asked about the advice of the Solicitor General on da Voice that the govt received.

‘Did the working group see that advice’, he was asked. ‘No’, he said.

‘Would you have wanted to see it?’ ‘No’, he said.

‘We received advice from constitutional lawyers, that was enough’, he said.

It amazes me how incurious the political/legal/managerial class can be.

Indolent
Indolent
March 23, 2023 8:27 pm

Dr John Campbell

Post covid myocarditis

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 8:28 pm

Frank says:
March 23, 2023 at 8:24 pm

Eva Vlaardingerbroek; what a hog.

‘sactly compared to the exquisitely beautiful Greta Thumbnail. On a series note, it was like Greta missed downs syndrome by an atom or two in her DNA.

Cassie of Sydney
March 23, 2023 8:29 pm

One of the big myths about Nazi Germany and its occupation of various European countries is that homosexuals were persecuted in exactly the same manner as Jews, Gypsies and Slavs. It is untrue, they weren’t. Many Nazis, including Roehm, were active and unapologetic homosexuals. Hitler tolerated Roehm’s homosexuality for many years, the reason why Hitler turned on Roehm wasn’t because of his homosexuality, it was because Roehm’s followers constituted a paramilitary army of its own and they were an threat to Hitler’s hold on power. Hitler swiftly moved on Roehm. The Nazis did clamp down on overt homosexual behaviour, and this is why many ended up in concentration camps however if a German or Danish or Dutch or French homosexual led a quiet life, he/she wasn’t going to open the door to the Gestapo. There was no such reprieve for Jews or Gypsies, or for Russian POWs (also gassed en masse). You couldn’t lead a quiet life, you couldn’t hide, you were hunted down like mice. When I hear the lie that homosexuals were also subjected to “genocide by the Nazis”, I wince, because it’s simply not true.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 8:30 pm

Why did they sack Yardley and disband the Black Chamber in the 1930s, then?

The American armed forces had their own decryption facilities….

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
March 23, 2023 8:31 pm

Farmer Gez says: March 23, 2023 at 7:18 am

One rule that all idiot drivers ignore at a roundabout is that all feeder roads are equal.

All feeder roads are equal, but the one to the right of you is more equal than the others.
– Rounda House.

Roger
Roger
March 23, 2023 8:34 pm

It amazes me how incurious the political/legal/managerial class can be.

Donald Horne noted this some 60 years ago.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 8:38 pm

Warren Mundine mocks Anthony Albanese’s ‘crocodile tears’ on Indigenous voice

By Paul Garvey
Senior Reporter
8:05PM March 23, 2023
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No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal ­people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

While Mr Mundine acknowledged there was still room for improvement in the lives of Indige­nous Australians, he said there had been significant gains in recent decades without a voice. Discriminatory laws had been abolished, the number of Aboriginal businesses had climbed, and there were growing numbers of Indigenous doctors, lawyers and professors, he said.

Mr Mundine said he believed the push was being driven by prominent Indigenous figures looking to entrench their influence. “This to me is just a power struggle from people who feel they’re going to be left behind,” he said. “They‘re all lawyers and academics or public servants, they’ve been living off the teat of government, and that’s what this is all about. This is the battle for keeping them in power.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 23, 2023 8:39 pm

Richard Cranium made the same stupid claim about the carriers and Pearl Harbor some months ago. He was given the accurate information at the time, but seems to have had a Grandpa Simpson moment today, ending up regurgitating the same rubbish.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 23, 2023 8:39 pm

Absolute gold (the Hun):

Victoria Police is facing legal action unless it disciplines officers for failing to stop neo-Nazis from protesting at Parliament House last Saturday.

Leading criminal barrister Remy van de Wiel, KC, has written to chief commissioner Shane Patton, putting him on notice over the vile ‘heil Hitler’ salutes.

In a letter obtained by the Herald Sun, Mr van der Wiel says the police’s failure to halt the hate act amounts to a breach of a legal agreement signed off by former police chief Christine Nixon in 2008.

Please, please let this be true.

Frank
Frank
March 23, 2023 8:39 pm

All feeder roads are equal, but the one to the right of you is more equal than the others.

Well, the driver is sitting in the death seat in that instance.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 23, 2023 8:39 pm

Kinzinger got the Ghost of Kiev treatment?
Haha, that’s glorious!
There’s something about Trump, that guys like Kinzinger who hate him are sent mad.
Surber calls it Trumpenfreude.

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 23, 2023 8:40 pm

Indolent, I remember seeing a vid from early on in the pandemic – March/April, 2020.

It was an English funeral director talking about the behaviour of a number of nursing homes that he serviced. When he went to collect the departed at that time, the bodies were inside tents (inside their rooms) with all the theatrics of isolation etc.

iirc, he said there was an uptick in deaths for a period of about 4-5 weeks and then numbers returned to normal levels. I can’t remember his name.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 23, 2023 8:41 pm

Warren Mundine mocks Anthony Albanese’s ‘crocodile tears’ on Indigenous voice

That’s an insult to crocodiles.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 23, 2023 8:48 pm

Why did they sack Yardley and disband the Black Chamber in the 1930s, then?
He had been the head of The Black Chamber since 1920.

The Black Chamber was jointly funded by the US Army and the State Department. Stimson was the Secretary of State, not the Secretary of War. He withdrew State Deportment funding around 1929. The Army could not fund the Chamber, and it was closed down.

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of relations between the US Army and US Navy at that time would know that they would not have helped each other unless forced to do so. As the Army could not fund its own code breaking, it would never have put money into breaking the Japanese Navy ciphers.

But apart from those minor points, brilliant work Grandpa Simpson.

Cassie of Sydney
March 23, 2023 8:50 pm

Here in NSW, three Maronite Christians have been charged with public disorder and creating a melee outside the church in Belfield on Tuesday night. Today in Canberra, we saw a skank by the name of Lydia Thorpe behave in a threatening manner, and engage in public disorder. A question. Has Thorpe been charged? Actually here’s another question? Will Thorpe be charged? I think we know the answer to both questions.

Cassie of Sydney
March 23, 2023 8:51 pm

“says the police’s failure to halt the hate act”

They didn’t stop it because they were in cahoots with the “hate act”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 8:52 pm

Richard Cranium made the same stupid claim about the carriers and Pearl Harbor some months ago

From memory, Grogarly has also made the claim that Roosevelt deployed the battleships to Pearl Harbor, to provoke the Japanese into striking at them?

Frank
Frank
March 23, 2023 8:56 pm

Warren Mundine mocks Anthony Albanese’s ‘crocodile tears’ on Indigenous voice

Rudd tried it on when some ship ran aground on the Barrier Reef but his acting chops were not up to the task of producing tears. Almost weeping for the plight of some coral on the TV news is the mark of a sad bastard considering all the other issues his media advisors had to choose from.

Top Ender
Top Ender
March 23, 2023 8:58 pm

Comments fill in the bits the critic left out:

The woman they could not silence

A new play about Julia Gillard – and that famous speech – imagines what it was like to be Australia’s first female prime minister.

By ROSIE LEWIS

Actor Justine Clarke has her back to the audience. It’s dead silent. She’s wearing a royal-blue blazer, red pants and heels. She has the stance spot-on, but it’s the red wig that really gives it away. Australia’s first and only female prime minister, Julia Gillard, is ready to speak.

Julia, written by Joanna Murray-Smith and directed by Sarah Goodes, is fast-paced and clever. It is generous to Gillard – a celebration of women in power and a stark look at what it takes to get there – but doesn’t pretend she didn’t make mistakes or have flaws. It is not so much a critique of Gillard’s time in office as of the politicians and media who shaped it.

We’re introduced to Julia through Clarke the narrator, who tells us she is “shaking with purpose”. It’s October 9, 2012, and she’s about to deliver her famous misogyny speech.

But time quickly rewinds and we’re taken back to Julia’s childhood, Julia debating as a schoolgirl, dancing in the 1980s where “hair is happening” and she wants to change the world. As the years roll on, we learn how critical moments led to the emotionally charged “not now, not ever” speech that caught the attention of people across the world.

Clarke moves between playing Julia and playing the storyteller. She doesn’t impersonate the former prime minister for the whole show, but when she does it’s convincing and effective. The role is not overplayed – there’s no use of “hyper-bowl” for hyperbole – but Clarke has mastered Julia’s distinctive Australian accent and it’s a delight to listen to.

Nothing nice is said about Kevin “once-in-a-century egomaniac” Rudd.

In fact, Tony Abbott, the opposition leader who smiled awkwardly as Gillard delivered her speech and who stood behind a “ditch the witch” poster at a rally outside Parliament House, comes out of the play looking slightly more human than Rudd.

“Kevin’s death was suicide by ego. I didn’t kill Kevin,” Julia asserts. Murray-Smith attempts to take the audience inside Julia’s head. “F..k you and your fruit bowl, I have things to do,” she says, responding to criticism of an empty fruit bowl in her kitchen.

Julia wrestles with how to use her power throughout the play. “Be silent Julia, be quiet” turns into “I will not be silent; I will not.”

The set and lighting are simple but very effective. A square carpet, which transforms into the House of Representatives, is surrounded by mirrors that are also used to show vision, including close-ups of Clarke as Julia.

The play slowly builds towards the speech. You can feel the crescendo. Clarke pins back her hair and puts on the red wig with help from her young sidekick in the show, Jessica Bentley.

By the time the speech is delivered, the audience is more than ready to hear it.

It is a wonderful re-enactment, though for this reviewer it didn’t quite evoke the stirring emotion of the actual speech a decade ago.

The Canberra audience (comprising noticeably more women than men and several teal independents) lapped up every scene and clearly remembered the sexism Gillard endured.

By the time Clarke’s impressive 90-minute performance had finished, just five minutes down the road from Parliament House, all opening night theatregoers were applauding on their feet.

Julia, by Joanna Murray-Smith. Canberra Theatre Centre and Sydney Theatre Company. Canberra Theatre Centre, March 21.
Tickets: $89-$119. Bookings: online. Duration: 90min, no interval. Until Saturday. Drama Theatre, Sydney Opera House, March 31-May 13. Tickets: $78-$109.

Comments:

Janis
2 HOURS AGO
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Peter Slipper , who could forget him and his mussel texts and Craig Thompson racey visa card expenditures. How about the other doozie duo of , Oakeshott and Windsor who anointed her they must be there . And surely the line `There will be no carbon tax under the Government I lead` is there too.
Likethumb_up21
Call it like it is.
2 HOURS AGO
I guess the context of the speech was honestly portrayed? Peter Slipper’s depiction of women quoted? Julia’s defence of him explained?

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Alex
2 HOURS AGO
Yes, they are trying hard to make her a martyr…

Remarker
2 HOURS AGO
Anyone have a good book to read?
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William
2 HOURS AGO
She was a total embarrassment as PM. Total liar and not very appealing.
wife
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James
2 HOURS AGO
Will they show the unflattering context for Gillard’s unnecessary and unprovoked attack on Abbott?
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Michael
2 HOURS AGO
imagines what it was like to be Australia’s first female prime minister.
I would hope that they imagine she felt way out of depth, mainly because that how her time as PM appeared.

Another Michael
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Simon
2 HOURS AGO
Sounds like a great night out. The review didn’t mention who is playing Peter Slipper. Hopefully someone really good.

Alfie
2 HOURS AGO
Does Rudd knife her in the closing scene?
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Cincinnatus
2 HOURS AGO
Oh give me a break! She had the opportunity to strike a blow for women by being elected PM but she allowed ideological purity, hubris and gender politics to destroy all that. Instead she joined a long line of labor women who shows us all the fatal flaw in choosing affirmative action over talent!
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Julie
31 MINUTES AGO
Thank you, my thoughts to a T.
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Marc
2 HOURS AGO
So no “truth” telling in this one then!
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Tom
2 HOURS AGO
Bit sad there wasn’t a part for the “empty fruit bowl” in terms of Julia’s famous “hyper-bowl”.

Michael
34 MINUTES AGO
Remember Peter Slipper?
Just goes to show that you don’t need to let pesky historical facts get in the way of a great Labor narrative!

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William
36 MINUTES AGO
Who’s playing Peter Slipper? It’s only fair he’s also there for context
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Helen
1 HOUR AGO
She was dethroned. Not considered PM material even by her own party.
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Ian
2 HOURS AGO
Do we remember why that infamous speech was made? It was to defend her decision to make the loathsome Peter Slipper (who can forget his graphic description of the female private parts?) Speaker in order to take a Coalition vote off the floor of the House of Representatives. She was only a politician, just like all the rest of them.

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The Hyena
1 HOUR AGO
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but Clarke has mastered Julia’s distinctive Australian accent and it’s a delight to listen to
Thank you, I laughed like a jackass when I read that. Marvellous stuff!
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G
5 MINUTES AGO
Any creditability she had she lost with that speech.
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DebB
32 MINUTES AGO
The speech has morphed into a narrative that has conveniently ignored the elephant in the room…the speaker. Let alone whether or not her performance as PM was one for the ages. Which clearly was not the case otherwise she would have retained her leadership position at the time. For me it was a defining moment in activists leveraging an opportunity, and did nothing to further the feminist cause.

Real Deal
Real Deal
March 23, 2023 8:58 pm

Regarding Albo’s crocodile tears, I am reminded of Orwell’s description of Squeeler the pig in Animal Farm after sending the heroic horse Boxer to the knackery after he told the animals Boxer was going to hospital:-

Squealer came to announce the news to the others. He had, he said, been present during Boxer’s last hours.

“It was the most affecting sight I have ever seen!” said Squealer, lifting his trotter and wiping away a tear. “I was at his bedside at the very last. And at the end, almost too weak to speak, he whispered in my ear that his sole sorrow was to have passed on before the windmill was finished. ‘Forward, comrades!’ he whispered. ‘Forward in the name of the Rebellion. Long live Animal Farm! Long live Comrade Napoleon! Napoleon is always right.’ Those were his very last words, comrades.”

Here Squealer’s demeanour suddenly changed. He fell silent for a moment, and his little eyes darted suspicious glances from side to side before he proceeded.

It had come to his knowledge, he said, that a foolish and wicked rumour had been circulated at the time of Boxer’s removal. Some of the animals had noticed that the van which took Boxer away was marked “Horse Slaughterer,” and had actually jumped to the conclusion that Boxer was being sent to the knacker’s. It was almost unbelievable, said Squealer, that any animal could be so stupid. Surely, he cried indignantly, whisking his tail and skipping from side to side, surely they knew their beloved Leader, Comrade Napoleon, better than that? But the explanation was really very simple. The van had previously been the property of the knacker, and had been bought by the veterinary surgeon, who had not yet painted the old name out. That was how the mistake had arisen.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 23, 2023 9:00 pm

three Maronite Christians have been charged with public disorder and creating a melee outside the church in Belfield on Tuesday night

Triple distilled black comedy! All you have to do is read the Tele to see the absolutely endless antics of muzzo Lebs in Western Sydney, shooting each other and being busted for trafficking interesting herbs and chemicals. So NSW plod arrests some Christian Lebs for a barney with aggro purple-haired protected ferals? LOL. Well the Maronites have plenty experience with persecution: this will just add to their distrust of the government. Quite justifiably so.

Hey NSW plod peoples! You do realize that you are alienating your last remaining supporters don’t you?

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 9:08 pm

From memory, Grogarly has also made the claim that Roosevelt deployed the battleships to Pearl Harbor, to provoke the Japanese into striking at them?

Heh heh.
The WWI battleships that had been rusting at Pearl since 1920?
Those battleships, Cletus?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 23, 2023 9:15 pm

The WWI battleships that had been rusting at Pearl since 1920?

Surely Ed October can work Cherman merchant pirates into this somewhere.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 9:18 pm

Comments fill in the bits the critic left out:

Does Michael Smith get a mention?

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 9:20 pm

Japs have been making pretty good subs though.

We shoulda let bygones be bygones and bought 41, for old times sake, Joffa?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 9:21 pm

The WWI battleships that had been rusting at Pearl since 1920?
Those battleships, Cletus?

The battleships that were to spearhead the American counter offensive into the Pacific, and bring the Japanese fleet to an action replay of the Battle of Jutland, six months after the outbreak of war?
Those battleships, Grogarly?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 23, 2023 9:24 pm

callisays:

March 23, 2023 at 2:09 pm

WiSmi has a certain cachet.

SaPa.
Hmmm.

MatrixTransform
March 23, 2023 9:30 pm

The bikie moll threw herself onto the ground

like a 7yo hamming it up for a Kinder Surprise at a ColesWorth checkout.

she did everything except bang her head on the ground

rickw
rickw
March 23, 2023 9:38 pm

Been driving an C 8 C Sofia lathe this arvo. Ramadan so DIY’ing. They’ve been using her for wood turning so she’s a bit gummy to say the least!

Beertruk
March 23, 2023 9:39 pm

From today’s Oz:

US Ambassador Kevin Rudd an attempt at securing a loose cannon

The Mocker
4:07PM MARCH 23, 2023

Appearing on ABC’s 7.30 earlier this month, former prime minister Kevin Rudd stressed his appointment as ambassador to the United States, which began this week, was about striving for the greater national good. “I’m there to represent Australian interests,” he told Sarah Ferguson.

Although acknowledging there could be a “very small role” for him to play in stabilising relations between America and China should Washington call on his genius, he quickly put this in context. He would do so “only on the basis of guidance and instructions from Canberra”. As Rudd would no doubt tell us, an ambassador’s priority is one’s country, not one’s ego.

It was a similar undertaking to one Rudd gave in September 2010 following the announcement by prime minister Julia Gillard that he would be appointed foreign minister. Notwithstanding the animosity between the two over his ousting from the leadership and despite the subsequent leaks that almost destroyed Gillard’s re-election campaign, both individuals were spruiking collaboration.

“There are national interests of this country which extend far beyond the personal interests of any individual,” Rudd told journalists. “That applies to me as well,” he added, saying he and Gillard had “a positive and professional relationship”.

Less than 18 months later, Rudd called a press conference to announce his resignation, claiming he did not have Gillard’s confidence. This followed months of media speculation that Rudd was plotting to wrest the leadership. “The truth is, I also feel very uncomfortable doing this from Washington and not in Australia,” he said, looking very comfortable at the thought of maximising Gillard’s embarrassment. To add to her humiliation, he had not even forewarned her of his announcement.

But that was the old Kevin, and those days are behind him. As he told ABC in 2015: “It for me a truth that I do not get the slightest sense of satisfaction or joy about the discomfort of others”. How could we have thought otherwise?

His new role means he has departed as chair of the activist lobby group Australians for a Murdoch Royal Commission. Rudd’s interest in this movement was entirely altruistic in that he wants to refute what he claims is media “misinformation”. You know, misinformation such as what The Australian disseminated when it reported in April last year that then opposition leader Anthony Albanese had told senior colleagues he wanted to send Rudd to Washington as ambassador in the event of a Labor victory – a story Albanese claimed was “complete nonsense” and one that Rudd angrily decried as “categorically false”.

Not all within Labor are enamoured of his appointment. As the Sydney Morning Herald reported in January: “Many of Albanese’s cabinet and caucus colleagues are privately concerned that Rudd’s chaotic governing style in office will become a feature of his tenure in Washington.” That’s not to say they believe Rudd is unfit to head a diplomatic mission. It is just that many feel Rudd should be dispatched to Ouagadougou instead of Washington.

Their concerns are not misplaced. Surely Albanese cannot have forgotten Rudd’s mercurial nature, particularly his briefing journalists in 2009 that Chinese “fu**ers” were trying to “rat f**k” the Copenhagen climate talks. Even more concerning is his penchant for histrionics. In June 2013, the day after he returned as prime minister, Rudd seized on then opposition leader Tony Abbott’s plan to turn back asylum-seeker vessels, implying this could result in war. “I really wonder whether he’s trying to risk some sort of conflict with Indonesia,” he said.

Presumably Albanese believes having Rudd as ambassador, while risky, will secure a loose cannon. Good luck with that. Given his fervent belief he was wrongfully denied his country’s nomination for the position of UN secretary-general, he would regard his present position as nothing more than a sop. As for taking orders from Canberra, Rudd is not averse to working in a hierarchy – provided he occupies the top position.

Then there is the question of Rudd’s commitment to AUKUS. Writing for Guardian Australia following the announcement of the agreement in September 2021, Rudd castigated the Morrison government for the manner in which it had communicated its decision not to proceed further in acquiring French-built submarines.

But Rudd’s criticism went well beyond what he claimed was egregious treatment of an ally. It was a case of prime minister Scott Morrison “mixing it with the big guys and being hairy chested about China,” he sneeringly observed. “Australia refuses to move beyond the narrow cocoon of the Anglosphere in augmenting its foreign policy and national security interests.”

As for the DFAT members serving state-side, I hope you treat the new ambassador in a manner befitting his importance. He requires a light fish or chicken dinner when flying domestically, even if it is just a 20-minute journey. Sandwiches are for peasants. If he is doing a photo op in a hardship location, make sure the hair dryer accompanies him. And can someone tell those dickheads in the embassy to just give him simple sentences when he is recording a promotional video.

Penny Wong can relax knowing her man in Washington is completely devoted to his task and has no intention of usurping her role. After all, Rudd is a happy little Vegemite as Foreign Minister.

THE MOCKER

rickw
rickw
March 23, 2023 9:40 pm

So NSW plod arrests some Christian Lebs for a barney with aggro purple-haired protected ferals?

There’s absolutely no shame in being arrested in Australia anymore. What a f’cking shithole.

Beertruk
March 23, 2023 9:42 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
March 23, 2023 at 9:30 pm
The bikie moll threw herself onto the ground

like a 7yo hamming it up for a Kinder Surprise at a ColesWorth checkout.

she did everything except bang her head on the ground

That means she would have tried to hold her breath then.

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 9:44 pm

How does the West feel in creating this situation?

Dover, you’re behaving more and more like the leftists who blame every ill on the awful West. 
Nothing in the awful west can cause the Russian kleptocrat to start a war in order to take over Ukraine. To believe this is to ignore almost every grandiose speech made by the former KGB agent about Russia’s divine right to create an Eurasian empire.

MatrixTransform
March 23, 2023 9:50 pm

How does the West feel in creating this situation?

you’d reckon they’d have canvassed that before destroying Nord Stream

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 9:52 pm

Dover

You also seem dogged in your support for Russia’s right to take over all or a decent chunk of Ukraine because of ethnic issues in the part of Ukraine close to Russia.

How to you feel then about Taiwan, Alsace, or the Italian German-speaking provinces to name just a few examples?

MatrixTransform
March 23, 2023 9:52 pm

to start a war in order to take over Ukraine

what a pile of frog-shit

… at this point I need convincing that JC and mUnty aren’t actually the same person

MatrixTransform
March 23, 2023 9:57 pm

she would have tried to hold her breath then

… we should be so lucky

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 9:57 pm

What’s a pile of shit, if you, Trans. You get yourself drunk each night and think you can pass yourself off as a first class intellect. Seriously, just bugger off you wounded imbecile.

MatrixTransform
March 23, 2023 9:59 pm

try not to spazz out too much JC

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 23, 2023 10:01 pm

Richard Cranium

Heh heh.
The WWI battleships that had been rusting at Pearl since 1920?
Those battleships, Cletus?

HehHeh.

The WW I battleships that, salvaged from Pearl Harbor, fired the last ever battleship vs battleship salvos in October 1944, at Surigao Strait defeating a Japanese battleship and heavy cruiser force?

Those battleships, Grandpa Simpson?

cohenite
March 23, 2023 10:03 pm

But Cronker’s she’s not muscled up like one of your “cute-owls”

By popular demand a cute owl.

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 10:04 pm

MatrixTransform says:
March 23, 2023 at 9:59 pm

try not to spazz out too much JC

Like this?

MatrixTransform says:
December 12, 2022 at 9:37 pm

I had a lunch today at the pub
the food was shiite but the company was good.

there are some forums where your’e like a god and people hang on yr every word.
parts of my little world are like that
I’m the old man
the oracle
the bloke that makes people shit themselves when I enter the room

Where’s a 10 storey open window, you ridiculous buffoon.

flyingduk
flyingduk
March 23, 2023 10:04 pm

Another commerical pilot goes down

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/southwest-pilot-suffers-medical-emergency-becomes-incapacitated-mid-flight/

at this rate, the airlines will be flagging passengers who have pilots licences (in case of an inflight emergency) for priority boarding, just as they used to with Drs.

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 10:06 pm

cohenite says:
March 23, 2023 at 10:03 pm

But Cronker’s she’s not muscled up like one of your “cute-owls”

By popular demand a cute owl.

That’s just horrifying.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 10:07 pm

The WW I battleships that, salvaged from Pearl Harbor, fired the last ever battleship vs battleship salvos in October 1944,

That’s quite a valid point.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 10:13 pm

Apropos of nothing in particular, I’m reminded of the guys playing touch football in a corridor, 24 stories up.
One guy shoulder charged the glass at the end of the aisle, took the entire window out, floor to ceiling, about 4.5 s. to hit the pavement.

The glass was good in the frame, but the frame wasn’t fixed in as well as it might have been.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 10:13 pm

Surigao Strait defeating a Japanese battleship and heavy cruiser force?

Two Japanese battleships, Fuso and Yamashiro, sunk with almost all hands.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 10:15 pm

The Missouri, still fightin’ in 1944, eh, Cletus?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 10:22 pm

Tony McAvoy SC – a member of the referendum working group – was just on Kenny.

Kenny on the Voice? We just turned it straight off. Not going to give an audience to his blind spot.

MatrixTransform
March 23, 2023 10:27 pm

JC,
scanned the room
… but decided to keep wanking anyway

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 10:28 pm

The Missouri, still fightin’ in 1944, eh, Cletus?

What’s your point, Grogs?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 10:34 pm

Paul Murray, quoting figures on support for the Voice by age group, sees demography as winning out. The Voice is strongly supported by age group the lower down the age scale you go. Thanks to educational indoctrination. The only age group where a NO response is greater than 50% is the over fifty-fives, who won’t be numerous enough to carry the day. Unaccountably, he then starts to spruik for a lets-get-it-over-with immediate vote. Michael Kroger and Bronwyn Bishop said what any sensible person should say – stall it out as long as possible so that more people, especially young people, could be informed of what a crock of ordure the Yes vote is.

flyingduk
flyingduk
March 23, 2023 10:34 pm

There’s absolutely no shame in being arrested in Australia anymore. What a f’cking shithole.

Badge of honour mostly nowadays – depending on the charges…

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 23, 2023 10:38 pm

This hasn’t worn well.

https://youtu.be/Zb-Ds_7qdZY

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 10:41 pm

There’s absolutely no shame in being arrested in Australia anymore.
Perhaps.
Though a “trip to the station” in Melbourne will likely still result in large scale loss of teeth

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 10:42 pm

A lot more mileage could be gained for the NO vote if pictures of Jacinta Price’s aboriginal visitors to Parliament from the rural areas and regions were more widely circulated. Bolt for instance could have usefully put them up in his discussion of the Voice this evening. The pictures graphically and immediately tell the whole story; the visitors were all clearly strongly genetically aboriginal and came to speak to parliamentarians, especially Labor ones, about not wanting Albo’s fake aboriginal Voice, parliamentarians who refused to meet with them.

Meanwhile, today we see Albanese flowing with crocodile tears for his legacy backed by a much whiter shade of aboriginal person than Jacinta’s mob. For these are the aboriginal urban aristocracy organising the Voice in their own interests. These contrasting optics should be given a greater run in the advertising for the NO case.

JC
JC
March 23, 2023 10:52 pm

We’ve had three decades of diplomats and analysts telling us that NATO expansion onto Russia’s border, particularly re Ukraine, would be a redline and we’re supposed to believe that this is only occurring because Putin has grandiose plans involving divine right to a Euroasian Empire?

Oh, help me out here, in which parallel universe had Ukraine joined NATO either now or before Putin’s invasion?

No. None of this is surprising geopolitically, and none of it would have been any different had someone other than Putin been in power and the same conditions existed.

So China’s claim to Taiwan is legitimate then?

Pointing out these ethnic issues doesn’t mean the Russians have ‘a right’ to all or part of Ukraine but ignoring them makes no sense.

I have no idea what that means.

I think the tensions in those areas are low. Best leave them be lest problems emerge.

Tensions are low with respect to Taiwan? Really?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
March 23, 2023 10:53 pm

Moderators at the Australian are reviewing my comments and will advise after moderation..

Not sure if it will get through though….

Thorpe threw herself on the ground for the cameras. Then assumed a position she was well familiar with – pulling a train as a bikie lass.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 23, 2023 10:54 pm

For these are the aboriginal urban aristocracy organising the Voice in their own interests.

Don’t be silly.
Your mythical aboriginal urban aristocracy couldn’t organise anything.
We’re seeing that daily with the Working Group.

These contrasting optics should be given a greater run in the advertising for the NO case.

That’s pretty sick.
Jet black Aborigines from remote Australia have no idea what the real issues are, putting them forward as representatives of the No case is exploitative, and discredits the No case.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 23, 2023 10:58 pm

Bugger, stuck at work with a singed bub – RFDS incoming.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 23, 2023 10:59 pm

Moderators at the Australian are reviewing my comments and will advise after moderation..

Moderators at the Australian have been known to pass a comment, allow it to gain several “likes”, then reject the same comment…

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 11:02 pm

Jet black Aborigines from remote Australia have no idea what the real issues are

You can’t get much more racist than believing this, Ed.

I can’t believe that you actually wrote it. You should get out more and talk to ‘jet black’ people.

MatrixTransform
March 23, 2023 11:02 pm

Tensions are low with respect to Taiwan? Really?

yep
and any minute now in Alsaci
civil war is about break out over the difference between schnitzel and escalope

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 11:04 pm

Your mythical aboriginal urban aristocracy couldn’t organise anything.

This is pretty racist too, Ed. You are really excelling yourself tonight.

Bruce in WA
March 23, 2023 11:07 pm

By popular demand a cute owl.

She has a cute face, and you have to respect the work she put in to look like that, BUT …

I don’t wanna try to bed a sheila who, thanks to steroid abuse, has a clitoris larger than my wilson!! (Were I 50 years younger it may be a different story, but it was my birfday on Tuesday and that’s 73!)

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 11:10 pm

It’s a matter of what aboriginal interests are being represented by each category of aboriginal claimants, not of absolute colour. But it is a fact that the most disadvantaged aboriginal people live by and large in remote areas and they are likely to be more aboriginal in appearances and cultural orientation than long-urbanised and often Marxist educated urban aboriginal representatives.

So who is the Voice for? Why is it needed when so many other organisations already exist?
And how will it improve conditions in remote and regional areas? All valid questions, which the pictures and their context in that parliamentary visit immediately raise.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 11:18 pm

Only 73 Bruce of WA. A spring chicken still. And with a ‘Wilson’ no less. It is Willy for short?

Perhaps though I shouldn’t mention short in this context.

Have to agree with you about the roid ladies. Their female parts can poke out rather unusually.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 11:21 pm

What is this 0 uptick that is appearing on some comments of mine and others? Someone can decide that’s what you’re worth? It is certainly not for an own goal; I don’t uptick my own comments.

Although I will test uptick this one and see what happens.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 11:22 pm

Nup. That uptick at 11.21 was self-administered, and there is no 0 from it.

So that can’t be what is causing these peculiar awards.

m0nty
m0nty
March 23, 2023 11:36 pm

How does the West feel in creating this situation?

Pretending that only the West has agency is an obvious logical fallacy, db.

Putin brought this on himself. He proved NATO right. Yes, they were right all along to be worried about Russian aggression because he did end up invading. He and his vatniks abandoned the high moral ground.

NATO is not lilywhite here but Putin is, in fact, the baddie.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 23, 2023 11:39 pm

Upticks, as we know, are both a blessing and a curse. A blessing in that they allow exercise of a strong agreement, a curse in that they are so frequent on all comments that they become signifiers only of being heard and thus a rather devalued commodity. Or of being ignored, which can be rather insulting. They can also be manipulated, though I think most here like to see them as having veracity. I know I do.

They are certainly encouraging to receive on some thoughtful piece, and in that I do better on The Australian than I generally do here. Possibly because there are more readers.

Gabor
Gabor
March 23, 2023 11:40 pm

NATO is not lilywhite here but Putin is, in fact, the baddie.

Sooo, (sorry) you bait and annoy a dog for ages and when it has a chance to bite you, you blame the dog?

Typical.

Gabor
Gabor
March 23, 2023 11:44 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
March 23, 2023 at 11:39 pm

Upticks, as we know, are both a blessing and a curse. A blessing in that they allow exercise of a strong agreement, a curse in that they are so frequent on all comments that they become signifiers only of being heard and thus a rather devalued commodity. Or of being ignored, which can be rather insulting. They can also be manipulated, though I think most here like to see them as having veracity. I know I do.

They are certainly encouraging to receive on some thoughtful piece, and in that I do better on The Australian than I generally do here. Possibly because there are more readers.

I’m no comp. whizz, wouldn’t have a clue how to fake upticks, but I believe they are indicative of approval of content mostly, and sometimes for the individual, specially when two or three are stoushing, and you barracking for one or the other.

Wouldn’t worry about it but, never uptick yourself, you know you agree already so, what’s the point?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 24, 2023 12:00 am

I’d still like to know why there is a 0 on my comment at 11.10.

I haven’t tried to uptick it myself, for as you say Gabor, that is quite redundant. On the Oz you cannot uptick yourself. I found that out when I upticked a comment made by Hairy under my name (he does that on the Oz simply because I am the official subscriber, he jettisoned his sub in high dudgeon one day at their moderation and refused to crawl back to them, so I did it). The uptick was refused. I didn’t notice that the commenter was officially me.

We’ve both had over 100 upticks each on certain comments we’ve made. Thus it seems to be a fairly productive use of our time. Maybe just another echo chamber though?

rickw
rickw
March 24, 2023 12:02 am

at this rate, the airlines will be flagging passengers who have pilots licences (in case of an inflight emergency) for priority boarding, just as they used to with Drs.

Passengers with pilots licenses please make your way to business class for a pre-flight briefing!

rickw
rickw
March 24, 2023 12:06 am

NATO is not lilywhite here but Putin is, in fact, the baddie.

What’s the name of the treaty the Euro cock smokers ignored and said they were always going to ignore?

Gabor
Gabor
March 24, 2023 12:11 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
March 24, 2023 at 12:00 am

I’d still like to know why there is a 0 on my comment at 11.10.

There are 3 now I upticked you as well, I don’t know how you can get 0?
should be impossible but with comps, who knows?
Ask dover to try to imitate.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
March 24, 2023 12:42 am

Bar Beach Swimmersays:
March 23, 2023 at 8:40 pm

John O’Looney? I remember that clip well. This is more recent.

————

Rebel News:

Exclusive 1/3: Funeral Director John O’Looney shares his shocking experiences from the pandemic

John O’Looney is an undertaker who worked throughout the pandemic in Milton Keynes, UK. Throughout 2020, John started to notice something wasn’t right with what he was seeing and began to investigate matters himself. What he discovered over the next few years has since been echoed by other funeral directors and embalmers around the world.
John O’Looney has been in the funeral industry for almost two decades and has personally embalmed hundreds of bodies. He worked for the UK’s largest funeral provider for 10 years before starting his own funeral directory in Milton Keynes. Rebel News Reporter Callum Smiles interviewed John O’Looney to find out what are these shocking discoveries and how these could shape our understanding of the pandemic.

https://tinyurl.com/mrx3x7an

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
March 24, 2023 1:12 am

Far out, what a farce. It’s no laughing matter…but you do.

Nothing more needs to be said.
————

Mark Dice:

Biden’s New District Judge Nominations Know NOTHING About Constitution During Confirmation Hearing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF8kTkxozQ4

rosie
rosie
March 24, 2023 3:20 am
Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
March 24, 2023 3:42 am

rickwsays:
March 24, 2023 at 12:06 am
NATO is not lilywhite here but Putin is, in fact, the baddie.

What’s the name of the treaty the Euro cock smokers ignored and said they were always going to ignore?

The Minsk Agreement.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-now

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
March 24, 2023 3:59 am

NATO is not lilywhite here but Putin is, in fact, the baddie.

And when Russia puts nuclear weapons on the Mexican/USA border, what will the USA do? You MontyPox T.W.A.T.

Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:02 am

Haha. Johannes Leak.

Black Ball
Black Ball
March 24, 2023 4:03 am

FMD

Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:15 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:16 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:17 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:19 am
Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 4:20 am
Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
March 24, 2023 4:28 am

Thank you very much Tom. Happy Friday. I love the swiss cheese cartoon and the Boris ones. lol.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
March 24, 2023 4:34 am

A man and his wife were having an argument in bed. Frustrated with her irrationality, he finally jumped up and took a blanket to the couch. The next day the wife, feeling bad about what happened, decided to buy her husband a gift, and since he was an avid golfer, she went to the pro shop where he usually played golf. She talked with the pro and he suggested a putter and he showed her one of his finest. “How much is it?” she asked. “$150” he replied. She felt that was kind of expensive and told him so. “But it comes with an inscription” he said. “What kind of inscription?” she asked. “Whatever you wish” he explained “but one of the old golfers favourites is: NEVER UP, NEVER IN”. “Oh, that will never do!” exclaimed the wife. “That’s what started the argument in the first place!”

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
March 24, 2023 4:36 am

If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it.

– Julius Caesar

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 24, 2023 6:27 am

And when Russia puts nuclear weapons on the Mexican/USA border, what will the USA do?

Invade…

We Are at War with Mexico (22 Mar)

“Are military invasion and annexation the only solutions?

There is a great deal of agonizing handwringing over the crisis that the United States faces at our southern border. Legislators from both ends of the political spectrum talk about comprehensive political reform, increasing border patrol at the U.S./Mexico border, and granting a pathway to citizenship to DACA residents living in America.

Few dare to diagnose and declare the nature of our real problem and proffer viable solutions: that Mexico is a hostile foreign power located at our border, that we are actually at war with Mexico, and that the only solution might be air strikes, military invasion, placing the country into political receivership or, more—outright annexation.

We are at war with the forces that rule, govern and puppeteer the hands of the Mexican government: the drug cartels that are actually cartel terrorists. They have already launched a massive invasion into the United States; only few want to stamp them with the terrorist imprimatur for the sake of political expediency.”

I can understand his frustration but a properly controlled border wall would fix the problem overnight. It works for Israel, and the Palis on the other side of their wall are just as homicidal.

Which pretty much shows who the real enemy is: the Democrats. I’d be quite unsurprised if a lot of them are taking cartel money. And anyway invading Mexico would be like invading Afghanistan. Not going to be a place you can occupy with any success.

Still I thought the headline was sort of fun when I saw it yesterday.

Cassie of Sydney
March 24, 2023 6:33 am

OMG! Stop the presses! World Athletics must be full of Nazis! Somebody should warn Dan Andrews and John Pussotto.

World Athletics bans transgender women from elite competition

World Athletics has followed the lead of World Aquatics and banned transgender women from competing in elite competition, including the upcoming Paris 2024 Olympic Games.

In what could prove to be a watershed decision for sport – and putting pressure on the International Olympic Committee which has been rudderless on this issue – the World Athletics president Sebastian Coe said: “the (WA) Council agreed it must be guided by our overarching principle which is to protect the female category.”

And in another head on collision with the IOC, World Athletics has banned Russian and Belarusian athletes from elite track and field competition “for the foreseeable future” including the Olympics because of the situation in Ukraine.

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The IOC has been arguing that the Olympics was above politics and that Russian and Belarusian athletes could compete in the Paris games as “neutrals”, but the move by World Athletics has now created a sharp split at the highest levels of sports leadership.

World Athletes has ruled that the trans athletes who have transitioned after puberty, will be ineligible to compete from March 31.

The sport will set up a working group, chaired by a trans athlete, for 12 months to research the issue further, but the strongly held view within the sport was that trans women had unfair advantages against biological women.

Lord Coe added that the sport had been inundated by robust voices from athletes, coaches, administrators and national federations objecting to an initial working paper which had planned to restrict trans women from competition if they had suppressed their testosterone levels below 2.5nm/l. This paper was thrown out, in preference to a full ban.

“The majority of stakeholders consulted stated trans athletes should not be competing in female category,’’ Lord Coe said.

He added that many of those consulted “believe there is insufficient evidence that trans women do not retain advantages over biological women”.

“It became apparent that there was little support within the sport for the option that was first presented to stakeholders, which required transgender athletes to maintain their testosterone levels below 2.5nmol/L for 24 months to be eligible to compete internationally in the female category.

“In these circumstances, the Council decided to prioritise fairness and the integrity of the female competition before inclusion.”

Meanwhile athletes such as Caster Semenya and the entire 800m podium at the Rio Olympics who have chromosomal differences, categorised as DSD athletes will have to suppress their testosterone levels below 2.5nm/l for a minimum of six months and for some running distances of up to two years to be able to compete.

Amen. Now I await the Victorian Opposition leader’s attempts to smear Lord Coe and other stakeholders in World Athletics as Nazis. I reckon someone in Pussotto’s office is this morning trawling through that renowned site of factual information (sarcasm alert) called Wikipedia to find untrue and malicious dross on Lord Coe and other World Athletic stakeholders.

You know what? On most days I wake up, I read the news and I get a little depressed. Today it’s been nice to wake up and read this decision by World Athletics. It gives me a tingling of hope that there’s some sanity left in this world, though not in this country.

Beertruk
March 24, 2023 6:53 am

rickwsays:
March 24, 2023 at 12:02 am
at this rate, the airlines will be flagging passengers who have pilots licences (in case of an inflight emergency) for priority boarding, just as they used to with Drs.

Passengers with pilots licenses please make your way to business class for a pre-flight briefing!

Meanwhile…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 24, 2023 6:54 am

That’s some first class chickenhawking going on in BoN’s linked piece.

Invade Mexico, annex it, take its resources because ethically correct and shut up. Naturally, the bloke has a PhD.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 24, 2023 6:56 am

PHON news!

Elon Musk, WHO Chief Spar on Twitter (23 Mar)

Twitter CEO Elon Musk said Thursday in a tweet that countries should not “cede authority” to the World Health Organization, and the U.N. health agency’s chief quickly rejected his comments.
“Countries should not cede authority to WHO,” Musk, whose Twitter account has more than 132 million followers, wrote in response to a video of right-wing Australian senator Malcolm Roberts criticizing the organization.

In separate comments at the WHO’s weekly news conference later on Thursday, Tedros said the claim that the pandemic treaty would see countries relinquish power to the WHO was “quite simply false” and “fake news.”

Malcolm Roberts is hitting impressive home runs! Getting Elon on side is quite something, and pissing off Mr Tedious is a fine achievement too.

Cassie of Sydney
March 24, 2023 6:56 am

Oh and by the way, transwomen aren’t women. No amount of surgery, and no amount of hormones will ever make a cock in a frock a woman.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 24, 2023 6:57 am

Because it’s a quotey sort of morning, and because it’s on a Voice-related topic:

Any man who think he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him had better take a closer look at the American Indian.

– Henry Ford*

*Bastard capitalist

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 24, 2023 7:08 am

Slowly, Cassie, we have to hope and see that the madness subsides.

The Voice though is the most dangerous thing around, because it writes Woke in stone for all time.

Leak’s cartoon today absolutely nails it. Thanks Tom.
I can go off to dance class now in a good mood due to that.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 24, 2023 7:10 am

Headless body in topless bar news.

Trudeau Loses Dong: MP Embroiled in China Interference Scandal Resigns From Liberals (23 Mar)

Canadian Liberal MP Han Dong has resigned from his party after new allegations he recommended the Chinese Communists keep two Canadians imprisoned to help Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s election campaign.

Sub editors have fun sometimes, although one could say Mr Trudy lost his dong some time ago.

Btw thanks Tom for the toons! I’ll never look at a picture of Lindsay Graham again in quite the same way.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 24, 2023 7:10 am

Leak’s cartoon should get a wider circulation, as part of the enlightening of yoof about this issue.

This is a change that if they vote for they will live to regret.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 24, 2023 7:16 am

The Persian Princess gets the claws out (the Hun):

But despite her uniformly idiotic antics Thorpe still enjoys support from many media mates. Last month she featured on the front page of the National Indigenous Times where she was celebrated for “standing firm on traditional values” in a splash where she modelled a number of outfits.

Aaaaaand:

Sadly none included bikie leathers.

BAM.

Winston Smith
March 24, 2023 7:17 am

Bar Beach Swimmer:

This hasn’t worn well.
https://youtu.be/Zb-Ds_7qdZY

Thanks for that.
I’m enraged all over again.
Blood Pressure back up to normal.

Winston Smith
March 24, 2023 7:19 am

Lizzie:

aboriginal urban aristocracy

Lovely description.
Aboriginal Urban Aristocracy It rolls off the tongue…

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 24, 2023 7:21 am

Oh and by the way, transwomen aren’t women. No amount of surgery, and no amount of hormones will ever make a cock in a frock a woman.

One of the memes I came across had someone writing ‘Transwomen are women’ six times in separate rows. Apparently if you say it six times it becomes true.

Underneath it, someone had written ‘My Kia is a Mercedes’ six times.

You do wonder about ppl. The first six lines came from a Dr. Someone with a female name. That’s inconclusive these days.

The number of whackos in the world is a source of concern. I guess they’ve always been there, but they used to shut up so nobody would identify them as whackos. Now they’re proud of it.

Winston Smith
March 24, 2023 7:25 am

TFM:

Bugger, stuck at work with a singed bub – RFDS incoming.

Nasty. Fire or hot water?
Glad wrap or/and morphine?
Hope it all comes good – look after yourself too when the plane goes.

Winston Smith
March 24, 2023 7:26 am

Lizzie:

You can’t get much more racist than believing this, Ed.
I can’t believe that you actually wrote it. You should get out more and talk to ‘jet black’ people.

The sick bastard says things like this to get a reaction from people so he can reel them in.
Nasty.

calli
calli
March 24, 2023 7:27 am

Good to see some here have had a cheerful start to the day. Excellent!

Like Moran’s toon with its little points of light in a sea of woes, you may be beleaguered but you are never alone.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 24, 2023 7:30 am

Like Moran’s toon with its little points of light in a sea of woes, you may be beleaguered but you are never alone.

I never worry about whether I’m alone. I do spend a lot of time thinking about whether I’m right.

Cassie of Sydney
March 24, 2023 7:35 am

“The number of whackos in the world is a source of concern.”

Well, there have always been “whackos” in the world, I suspect it’s part of the human condition. What’s far more concerning, as far as I’m concerned, are the number of gutless scum that currently infest our political parties, our MSM, and our bureaucracies. Look no further than that joke of an opposition leader in Victoria, John Pussotto.

Today The Australian, an increasingly garbage news site, describes Kellie-Jay Keen as “controversial”, but doesn’t similarly describe Ms Thorpe. Interesting isn’t it? Oh and the AFP have launched a probe into what happened yesterday, never mind that Ms Thorpe sneaked up from behind, no doubt to deliberately scare and intimidate Ms Keen. Yet Thorpe isn’t deemed “controversial” but but Keen is. Hmm.

Oh and it’s touching, very touching, to see scum like Dreyfus and Shoebridge suddenly so concerned about violence or threats of violence by police. Shoebridge’s statement overnight….”I have sought advice about the use of force towards Senator Thorpe that saw her thrown to the ground. We need to ensure police are de-escalating violence at rallies and never add to the potential for physical confrontation.”

How touching. But forgive me, I’m a little bewildered here at the double standards. I note Shoebridge has never said boo about threats of violence towards conservative women such as Nicolle Flint and Pauline Hanson. Oh and anyone recall Shoebridge saying anything when Australians, particularly Victorians, were being daily beaten, bashed, bludgeoned and forcefully “thrown to the ground” at rallies?

Nah, didn’t think so.

This Saturday, if in NSW, vote One Nation.

This year, vote NO to the Voice.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 24, 2023 7:36 am

Ed Casesays:
March 23, 2023 at 10:15 pm
The Missouri, still fightin’ in 1944, eh, Cletus?

Errrrr, no, Grandpa Simpson. The Missouri was a new battleship, commissioned in 1944, the last battleship ever commissioned by the US Navy.

Are you really as dopey as your comments, or are they part of your cover as a Spook/Glowie?

calli
calli
March 24, 2023 7:37 am

Beau, I start from the position of absolutely zero people thinking the same way as me. When I discover that someone else does, it’s a pleasant surprise.

On being right or not, it’s always secondary to the truth. There are just so many…many things I’d love to be wrong about.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 24, 2023 7:39 am

Ed Casesays:
March 23, 2023 at 10:54 pm
For these are the aboriginal urban aristocracy organising the Voice in their own interests.

Don’t be silly.
Your mythical aboriginal urban aristocracy couldn’t organise anything.
We’re seeing that daily with the Working Group.

These contrasting optics should be given a greater run in the advertising for the NO case.
That’s pretty sick.
Jet black Aborigines from remote Australia have no idea what the real issues are, putting them forward as representatives of the No case is exploitative, and discredits the No case.

Richard Cranium, our resident Spook/Glowie, shills for the Voice.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 24, 2023 7:43 am

m0ntysays:
March 23, 2023 at 11:36 pm
How does the West feel in creating this situation?

Pretending that only the West has agency is an obvious logical fallacy, db.

Putin brought this on himself. He proved NATO right. Yes, they were right all along to be worried about Russian aggression because he did end up invading. He and his vatniks abandoned the high moral ground.

NATO is not lilywhite here but Putin is, in fact, the baddie.

LOL, a fanatical leftard now gagging for Moaw War.

Both sides are led by baddies (including the US).

Winston Smith
March 24, 2023 7:46 am

DB:
The Ukrainian security issue would have been better addressed by entering into a mutual defence pact with Poland, the Baltic States, Belarus, The Ukraine, Hungary, and the rest.
But none of them will tolerate each other so they will continue being the battleground for empires arising both in the East and the West. So good luck to them.
Perhaps when they stop fighting wars that started 1,000 years ago they may become stronger, but I’ve got my doubts they have the self control to do it.

calli
calli
March 24, 2023 7:46 am

They know Thorpe wasn’t “thrown to the ground”. I see the news services are all using footage that conveniently shows a policeman’s back with his arms out and obscures the actual moment of contact.

TFM had a piece of footage yesterday shot from the other side. It’s unclear whether any contact was made with Thorpe. The policeman has his arms spread wide and a woman in hi-viz is reaching out to grab Thorpe’s shoulder. At best, the idiot tripped over her high heels in the grass. It may even have been a “don’t you know who I am?” moment and the copper…didn’t.

Diogenes
Diogenes
March 24, 2023 7:49 am

but the Navy clearly knew that Pearl Harbor was the target, since they sent the 4 Carrier Groups out of Pearl in 4 different directions on November 26/

The yanks always knew Pearl Harbour was a target.

Sending the carriers was doctrine giving rising tensions. May I refer you to Drachinifels most excellent series on the US Navy’s Fleet exercises.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMK9a-vDE5zEmzgruoWAyMV1YijyWX-IR

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 24, 2023 7:58 am

I’ve been waiting for m0nty=fa to declare the end of the Culture Wars with a giant “Mission Accomplished” sign.

Gabor
Gabor
March 24, 2023 8:01 am

Winston Smith says:
March 24, 2023 at 7:46 am

Perhaps when they stop fighting wars that started 1,000 years ago they may become stronger, but I’ve got my doubts they have the self control to do it.

No chance of allying for those. The hatred goes too deep, and it’s only veneered over by necessity.
The Poles have done only one thing worthy of remembering them for, the Winged Hussars at Vienna, where they routed the Ottoman Turks.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 24, 2023 8:11 am

Seriously Gabor?
The Poles resisted the Ottomans, the Germans, the Russians.

Robert Sewell
March 24, 2023 8:15 am

Gabor:

No chance of allying for those. The hatred goes too deep, and it’s only veneered over by necessity.
The Poles have done only one thing worthy of remembering them for, the Winged Hussars at Vienna, where they routed the Ottoman Turks.

The thing is that there is so much advantage for a Trade/Defence block stretching from Estonia to Greece and The Ukraine to Slovakia and Poland.
Reasonably defensible borders, if we ignore nukes, and openings to the Med, the Baltic, and the Black Seas.
But poverty and war is the price they pay for hate, and that cost is quite high. I suppose it keeps them warm during the winters.

Cassie of Sydney
March 24, 2023 8:16 am

I think Alexandra Marshall best summed up Thorpe’s behaviour. Marshall on Twitter..

This is so embarrassing for Australia. Lidia Thorpe looks like she’s been at the Melbourne Cup all afternoon and decided to claw her way to a headline with the least class possible.

Yep.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 24, 2023 8:21 am

Another commerical pilot goes down
at this rate, the airlines will be flagging passengers who have pilots licences (in case of an inflight emergency) for priority boarding, just as they used to with Drs.

Better have the remaining OK pilot first action be “unlock door to cockpit”. Since 2001 the West locks cockpit doors, unlockable only from cockpit. Hundreds have already died as a result.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 24, 2023 8:23 am

Oh and by the way, transwomen aren’t women. No amount of surgery, and no amount of hormones will ever make a cock in a frock a woman.
If you got a dick you ain’t a chick. If you *had* a dick you ain’t a chick.

shatterzzz
March 24, 2023 8:24 am

(1) cos I like it!
(2) cos it’s true .. LOL!
https://postimg.cc/Y43g1jv1

Tekweni
Tekweni
March 24, 2023 8:29 am

First message on our family Whatsapp was from Durban where there has been no electricity for 6 hours and water has been cut off as there is no power to the pumps to fill the water reservoirs which have now run dry. A photo of one of those black solar showers was included along with complaints about having to shower with cold water. Our future here!

Robert Sewell
March 24, 2023 8:31 am

Ouch.
Election experts in New Mexico established that the post-election canvass reports in all 33 New Mexico Counties are being illegally prepared. Complete election records are being uploaded to an uncertified, centralized software under the control of the Secretary of State (SOS) called SERVIS, which is then used to create the official election results.
From the Gateway Pundit.

Crossie
Crossie
March 24, 2023 8:35 am

calli says:
March 24, 2023 at 7:27 am
Good to see some here have had a cheerful start to the day. Excellent!

Like Moran’s toon with its little points of light in a sea of woes, you may be beleaguered but you are never alone.

The media’s job these days is to convince you that you are alone and they do it by excluding all opinions other than theirs. Even if you try to get on a soap box in a park they will send goons* to shout you down.

*Yes, Lidia Thorpe is a goon.

shatterzzz
March 24, 2023 8:35 am

aboriginal urban aristocracy
Official Guide to Peerage & Baronetage, Oz edition .. Bruce Pascoe ..
The must-have, coffee table, companion to …
Tales My Nanna Told Me .. Pascoe University omnibus edition (7 volumes) …

Tom
Tom
March 24, 2023 8:36 am

The number of whackos in the world is a source of concern. I guess they’ve always been there, but they used to shut up so nobody would identify them as whackos. Now they’re proud of it.

The number of whackos in the world isn’t of concern.

It’s that the world is RUN by whackos who don’t represent the people who elected/appointed them.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
March 24, 2023 8:37 am

My comment in the Oz which has been pending for 3 hours and scheduled for rejection…

Article : Lidia Thorpe …anti trans protest…

‘Sigh. Its Pro womens rights …not anti Trans.
Heanz Meanz Beanz, get it right!’

  1. Vicki November 25, 2024 5:24 pmWhat’s the alternative to surgery that the all wise but non medically trained suggest?…Rosie, I am…

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