Open Thread – Weekend 25 March 2023


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calli
calli
March 27, 2023 4:38 pm

Gilas, I would have gone to Nilk’s Discord but had no end of difficulty getting onto it. Adam’s is fairly “peaceful” if that’s what you want. Strident discussion and disagreement is absent for a couple of reasons.

I don’t mind the odd skirmish – if it doesn’t add to my understanding of an issue, it certainly adds to my understanding of the commenter!

m0nty
March 27, 2023 4:41 pm

I can recall the time where not only would I be cheered for doing this, I would have been able to snot the offender and not face any charges for it – more like others would have joined in, including the police!

And there it is. The worst thing about trans rights for people like Kneel is that they can’t join in a good old fashioned community lynching. Creepy.

calli
calli
March 27, 2023 4:42 pm

Also, Gilas, you will find Currency Lad’s blog an excellent source of articles and opinion. Look in the side bar here ->

Delta A
Delta A
March 27, 2023 4:44 pm

Biological women prisoners have been raped and impregnated by male criminals …
Sources required for that claim.
Otherwise, you’re lying …

Simply google ‘transgender prisoners’. I list merely one of many entries:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11458335/Male-female-Trans-inmates-drive-rising-numbers-rapes-abuse-womens-prisons.html

And do not ever again suggest that I might be lying, you inconsequential twerp.

JMH
JMH
March 27, 2023 4:44 pm

MT at 3.47 pm:

positive rights come with a cost that somebody has to bear

cock-frockers and their deluded supporters want their confected ‘safety’ to come at the expense of everybody else’s safety

it’s pretty f’kn sinister

Yes. It is sinister and that is why I give no truck to the fag/trans activists. I view them an an enemy. They want us to submit to their ideals. This little black duck will not be capitulating to any such demands.

Vicki
Vicki
March 27, 2023 4:47 pm

Why is it hateful or bigoted to want women’s spaces (loos, change rooms) reserved for women? And women only? This was once such a reasonable “given” that no one thought about it much at all. It is now some sort of pathetic progressive battleground.

If you raise this issue with anyone on the land (at least in our experience) – they are just staggered that norms have changed so much. This reinforces my opinion that the trans movement has arisen in city enclaves.

I am not saying that “trans”inclined individuals do not exist in regional areas. What I am saying is that “diversity” has not simply prospered in the inner suburbs of cities, it has taken hold there in a big way. And like a contagion, it is spreading into the suburbs – and perhaps one day into the regions.

At the risk of being howled down – I will venture that it seems to me just another symptom of a decaying value system in the West. Disintegration just seems to be gathering pace.

Of course, these developments are often cyclical – and recoveries are possible, though mostly after a catastrophic “detox”. Can’t help but think current times resemble the latter part of the 1920s. Deep recession /Depression on the way….followed by another world war?????

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

You know how hard it is to watch what is clearly a man walk into a women’s change room and NOT drag them out?

No. I’ve never managed that last part.
Of all the weirdos I’ve dragged out of the sheilas dunny, only one has ever objected. Funny about that.

johanna
johanna
March 27, 2023 4:47 pm

The admirable Andrea Widburg at The American Thinker mourns the destruction of her childhood neighbourhood in San Franscisco:

I grew up in San Francisco’s Sunset District, a once thriving working- and lower-middle-class neighborhood. An important place in that neighborhood was Stonestown, one of America’s first shopping malls, where generations of children shopped with their mothers and, when older, hung out on their own. It was safe, and there was food. Today, as San Francisco’s government continues its commitment to social Marxism, Stonestown is turning into a violent gang hangout, making it a microcosm of what’s happening to leftist cities across America.

Mobs of teenagers have clashed in a string of violent San Francisco mall brawls, caught on video in one melee attacking and stomping each other as well as seemingly innocent onlookers.

San Francisco police told Fox News Digital in a statement that three separate incidents took place at the Stonestown Galleria mall from March 15 to March 17 that involved groups of juveniles attacking each other or bystanders.

[snip]

“I’m very scared,” food court vendor Guang Wei, who witnessed one of the fights at the food court, told CBS Bay Area. “I cannot continue to do business here in this kind of environment.”

Supervisor Joel Engardio told the station that the city is 500 police officers below where it should be for a city of its size.

“We need police officers to walk the beat, be on the street, be at shopping centers like Stonestown,” Engardio said. “We don’t have that luxury right now because we have so few police officers.”

The San Francisco Police Department has been battered by staffing shortages in recent years, with the force seeing a 12% decrease in its number of full-duty sworn officers from 2019 to 2022, CBS News reported last month. As of January, the department employed 1,537 police officers, far below the recommended 2,182 officers, according to city Supervisor Matt Dorsey.

“San Francisco is on the precipice of a potentially catastrophic police staffing shortage, and there are too many public safety problems we’ll be helpless to solve if we don’t start solving SFPD’s understaffing crisis first,” Dorsey said in a statement earlier this year.

Mayor London Breed redirected $120 million from law enforcement to fund other city initiatives in 2020 as crime continued to surge in the city – with homicides increasing by 20% in 2020 compared to 2019. Homicides also increased 17% in 2021 compared to the previous year, according to city data.

When I first visited San Francisco in the late 1970s I was blown away by it. Small and beautiful, gorgeous architecture, wonderful food and entertainment, clean and safe. Turning it into a shithole is a crime against civilisation. People shooting up and crapping and vomiting on the street, police being defunded, what could possibly go wrong?

Fortunately for them, the architects of the decline live in heavily secured and fortified multi-million dollar homes. See, Pelosi, Nancy and any number of rich Democrats.

It’s like the Taliban blowing up those ancient rockface carvings. Same mentality.

johanna
johanna
March 27, 2023 4:49 pm

Oh, well. You get it.

Sigh.
[Fixed.]

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

This reinforces my opinion that the trans movement has arisen in city enclaves.

Emphasis on enclaves. For as discussed here last night, hard-core trannyism & blokes stripping in front of schoolgirls has yet to ‘catch on’ in Lakemba & presumably lotsa other places inside the metropolitan taxi zone.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 4:53 pm

Real honest question. It’s funny and really dumb for idiots asking that different pronouns be used to reference “they”. 🙂

I’m just curious as what happens with this pronoun bullshit in languages like French, Italian and Spanish for instance where there is feminine and masculine? Has it caught on, as it would create some really weird language crap.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2023 4:53 pm

Your moral obligation here is not to stop them doing something dumb, it’s to establish a law in accordance to reality.

That is very weak as a foundation for policy, gay marriage is a reality. You can call the law some unreal abomination before god and the fabric of space – time, but SSM existed briefly before Howard got rid of it and before the dubious SSM plebiscite. Tens of thousands SSM spousal couples exist now.

Now what?

This philosophical approach is part of why conservatives might be rock ribbed but continually concede ground. That’s not a personal slight against you, it is a problem that has existed since at least the UK Labor Party initiated the welfare state.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

It’s like the Taliban blowing up those ancient rockface carvings. Same mentality.

IMHO the Taliban are aware of “cause & effect” & are able to comprehend in advance the actual outcome of their actions.
Thus alongside London Breed the Taliban are as a Rhodes Scholar alongside a Water Buffalo.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 4:54 pm

This little black duck will not be capitulating to any such demands.

Oh God.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 27, 2023 4:55 pm

Ed Casesays:
March 27, 2023 at 3:46 pm
Biological women prisoners have been raped and impregnated by male criminals …
Sources required for that claim.
Otherwise, you’re lying …

Google it Googlery.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

This little black duck will not be capitulating to any such demands.

Onya.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 27, 2023 4:58 pm

And there it is. The worst thing about trans rights for people like Kneel is that they can’t join in a good old fashioned community lynching. Creepy.

And there it is. Trans rights include the right for blokes with mental problems to go into female spaces whenever they want to. Creepy.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2023 4:58 pm

…and AFTER the dubious SSM plebiscite…

Speaking of which, in NSWistan we can vote online for LOCAL COUNCIL elections, but not for State or Federal Parliament?

I’m shocked and chagrined. I thought the modern and efficient APS/NSW PS with underpaid and hard working paleo banana bread consoomers would have knocked this one out of the dealership.

John H.
John H.
March 27, 2023 4:58 pm

Lysandersays:
March 27, 2023 at 3:22 pm
I can live with that thanks John.

But “love is love” is a beautiful, but extremely harmful, statement.

The other day you said you had no qualms with the QWERTY folk but they’re kinda hard to miss these days. Even my 9 year old son asked me why there was a rainbow flag at the Swannies match yesterday… like Munt, they’re perverts and they want our children to develop abnormal “tastes.”

No sweat Lysander. I don’t get out much, never go to big events, crowds annoy me too much. So I can’t relate to the public presence that you mention. I’m not a parent, can’t relate to your concern. There is a narcissistic element in publicly demanding acknowledgement of one’s sexual predilections. There are many people with unusual traits. For example, I don’t see mathematicians, the IQ of which is typically 140+, walking around with that emblazoned on their shirts. I’ve known 3 mathematically brilliant friends and most people would have no idea about their brilliance because they don’t broadcast it. There are also sorts of unusual people in this world and most of them live their daily lives without making a big deal about their idiosyncrasies. I don’t like playing Dr. Freud but the public displays, the narcissism, the demand for recognition of their idiosyncrasies, points to narcissism, and a deep, possibly unconscious insecurity arising from the fact that they don’t feel right and will never feel right.

See what you’ve done! You’ve made me breach one of my heuristics! Playing Dr. Freud! Damn you, damn you to hell!

Have a nice day.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2023 5:00 pm

a good old fashioned community lynching

Quite bizarre to move on from telling someone off for seemingly being a sexual predator and an actual lynching monty.

The cream of the working class.

JMH
JMH
March 27, 2023 5:01 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:
March 27, 2023 at 4:56 pm

This little black duck will not be capitulating to any such demands.

Onya.

I doubt I am alone, Salvatore. It’s time. Time to stand up and reject the bullshit.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2023 5:06 pm

“San Francisco is on the precipice of a potentially catastrophic police staffing shortage, and there are too many public safety problems we’ll be helpless to solve if we don’t start solving SFPD’s understaffing crisis first,” Dorsey said in a statement earlier this year.

Mayor London Breed redirected $120 million from law enforcement to fund other city initiatives in 2020 as crime continued to surge in the city – with homicides increasing by 20% in 2020 compared to 2019. Homicides also increased 17% in 2021 compared to the previous year, according to city data.

Seems we need to issue a few .44 Magnums.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 27, 2023 5:08 pm

Delta Asays:
March 27, 2023 at 4:44 pm
Biological women prisoners have been raped and impregnated by male criminals …
Sources required for that claim.
Otherwise, you’re lying …

Simply google ‘transgender prisoners’. I list merely one of many entries:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11458335/Male-female-Trans-inmates-drive-rising-numbers-rapes-abuse-womens-prisons.html

And do not ever again suggest that I might be lying, you inconsequential twerp.

A single uptick on your comment would be inadequate. Have a million.

PS, “Inconsequential twerp”! Beautiful, have another thousand.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 5:11 pm

This philosophical approach is part of why conservatives might be rock ribbed but continually concede ground. That’s not a personal slight against you, it is a problem that has existed since at least the UK Labor Party initiated the welfare state.

Conservationism has no core beliefs other than to slowdown progressives and only slowing them down. I can’t understand why conservatives here are surprised that the conservative right is always playing halvies with left-wing policy views. It’s always, always setting things up to fail. That’s what conservationism is and has always been.

Hayek, about conservatives.

“… conservatives have been guided by the belief that the truth must lie somewhere between the extremes—with the result that they have shifted their position every time a more extreme movement appeared on either wing.

“The position which can be rightly described as conservative at any time depends, therefore, on the direction of existing tendencies.”

Eggfreakingsactly. As the left becomes more extreme, conservatives eventually give in for the simply reason of trying to play the middle course, which never works. The left drgas them along for the ride, whining and bitching all the way.

“Since the development during the last decades has been generally in a socialist direction, it may seem that both conservatives and liberals have been mainly intent on retarding that movement.”

Yep, just slowing it down.

And then we wonder why conservatives offer just piecemeal nonsense.

“This fear of trusting uncontrolled social forces is closely related to two other characteristics of conservatism: its fondness for authority and its lack of understanding of economic forces. Since [conservatism] distrusts both abstract theories and general principles, it neither understands those spontaneous forces on which a policy of freedom relies nor possesses a basis for formulating principles of policy. Order appears to the conservative as the result of the continuous attention of authority, which, for this purpose, must be allowed to do what is required by the particular circumstances and not be tied to rigid rule. A commitment to principles presupposes an understanding of the general forces by which the efforts of society are co-ordinated, but it is such a theory of society and especially of the economic mechanism that conservatism conspicuously lacks.”

Conservatives here are upset because the Liberal party doesn’t have guiding prici0ples. Of course it doesn’t because as Hayek said:

“Conservatives feel instinctively that it is new ideas more than anything else that cause change. But, from its point of view rightly, conservatism fears new ideas because it has no distinctive principles of its own to oppose them; and, by its distrust of theory and its lack of imagination concerning anything except that which experience has already proved, it deprives itself of the weapons needed in the struggle of ideas. Unlike liberalism, with its fundamental belief in the long-range power of ideas, conservatism is bound by the stock of ideas inherited at a given time. And since it does not really believe in the power of argument, its last resort is generally a claim to superior wisdom, based on some self-arrogated superior quality.”

Much more here:

https://www.econlib.org/hayek-was-not-a-conservative-heres-why/

Don’t be a thoughtless conservative, grip classic liberalism with every limb and run with it.

Gilas
Gilas
March 27, 2023 5:12 pm

Ooops… so many channels, so much confusion, and a hard-to-navigate site, there WAS a reason why I didn’t use it.

Zippster’s Catallaxy Refuge still doing some business on the open-fred, fake-news-media, alt-christian-news and a couple of others (less than half of all the channels)

Nilk’s Discordant Cats is basically defunct.

Adam’s? Couldn’t find an Adam or Adam’s anything by using their search function, but also didn’t know he had a Discord Channel

Yes, I also had to have a password reset to get back in after 12+months.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 5:14 pm

Thanks so much for helping me.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 5:17 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:

You betcha!
When I turn up for work in the corporate sector appearing in my new ID, having ‘transitioned’ during the night, & appear in my new identity, expressed via boot-polished blackface, striped trousers, red waistcoat, & frizzy afro hair, I expect not one word to be said.
…. except to discipline or fire anyone who doesn’t act like I’m the normal & well adjusted one.

You’d know because you’re an old hand making a career in the large corporate sector. Didn’t you once tell us you worked for Proctor & Gamble as they have their global headquarters in FNQ?

Robert Sewell
March 27, 2023 5:18 pm

Calli:

First it’s liquids, then eggs (though the cheapskates might find them a bit expensive these days), pies, fruit and then bullets.

Along that spectrum of liquids is Hydrofluoric Acid. The craze of throwing buckets of water at coppers doing their job hasn’t died out.
The issue is that the first bucket contains water, same as with the second, third, and fourth. The fifth contains acid of any kind, but the threat was made of using hydroflouric acid which is not amenable to normal first aid treatment.
The whole throwing of liquids is to set up the belief that the liquids are harmless and the victim doesn’t react until the damage is done.
For my money, the person who throws any liquid at another should be treated as a deadly threat with the person throwing the liquid able to be stopped by using deadly force.

Delta A
Delta A
March 27, 2023 5:19 pm

I definitely believe that women have a right to female only spaces, and not just to those which deal with decency and modesty.

I also definitely believe that men have a right to male only spaces, to clubs, men’s sheds and men only wards in hospital.

Perhaps it’s Karma that women, (who in the 70’s, started all this divisiveness by demanding not only equality, but superiority over males,) are suffering intrusion into their spaces by deluded men who demand to be treated as women. But even more ludicrous are the men and women who violently support this debacle, and the Montys who support them.

I never felt the need in the 70’s to be liberated: I’d been treated kindly and very fairly all my life. In 2023, I, along with millions of my sex, feel more threatened, hated and diminished than ever before.

Anchor What
Anchor What
March 27, 2023 5:19 pm

Dan Andrews going to China with minimal notice and no press (not that they are worth much).
Albanese meeting Barrack Obama and Michelle in Sydney.
What could possibly go wrong?

Lysander
Lysander
March 27, 2023 5:22 pm

Anchor… its Barrack and Michael.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 5:22 pm

Aren’t the Greens just poison.

The Greens have secured a bloody-minded victory over Labor that will impose high costs on energy producers and the economy in a way that does not apply to our international competitors.

The deal makes a value judgment that fossil fuel emissions cannot be offset by other measures. And it applies a new bureaucratic and legal stranglehold on all future developments that will make it all but impossible for them to proceed.

Adam Bandt was not exaggerating when he said coal and gas had “taken a huge hit”. He said the Greens had stopped many of the 116 new coal and gas projects in the pipeline from going ahead. The other certainty from what has been agreed to pass the federal government’s safeguards mechanism is that this is the beginning, not the end.

Anyone want to repeat the word “uniparty”?

johanna
johanna
March 27, 2023 5:24 pm

That slimebag Pezutto has had to back off, but still penalises her:

Speaking after the party room meeting, Mr Pesutto said Ms Deeming had provided new information early on Monday, including “condemnation of the types of conduct” in social media activity by key speakers at the rally.

“The new material she supplied this morning opened the doorway to a sensible proposal that I put to the party room that saw her accept the nine months [suspension], losing the party whip position as well,” he said.

“Given Moira had provided what I had been seeking and recognised why it was important to do that,” he said.

“The conduct that I wanted condemned has been condemned.”

What a jerk. Forced to back off, but unapolatgetic.

Prick.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 5:25 pm

Posited at Old Cat by yours truly, the challenge was for a libertarian supporter of gay ‘marriage’ to explain why a man couldn’t marry a beagle.
I’m still waiting.

Woof.

johanna
johanna
March 27, 2023 5:28 pm

Cheers for the fix of the format of my comment, Dover. Appreciated.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 27, 2023 5:31 pm

JCsays:
March 27, 2023 at 5:22 pm
Aren’t the Greens just poison.

The Greens have secured a bloody-minded victory over Labor that will impose high costs on energy producers and the economy in a way that does not apply to our international competitors.

The deal makes a value judgment that fossil fuel emissions cannot be offset by other measures. And it applies a new bureaucratic and legal stranglehold on all future developments that will make it all but impossible for them to proceed.

Clearly AnAl did not learn anything form Shorten’s failure, particularly in Queensland, in 2019. He might have just transitioned by shooting his dick and balls (if he had any) off.

Gilas
Gilas
March 27, 2023 5:31 pm

calli says:
March 27, 2023 at 4:42 pm

you will find Currency Lad’s blog an excellent source of articles and opinion. Look in the side bar here ->

Thank you Calli.
Yes, I have partaken some of CL’s and Adam’s WordPress blogs.

For those interested, Mark A’s Lame Pictures, one of Doomlord’s old contributors, has seceded from NFA and Struth’s rather private playground, the FreedomAustralia blog.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

You’d know because you’re an old hand making a career in the large corporate sector. Didn’t you once tell us you worked for Proctor & Gamble as they have their global headquarters in FNQ?

What a stupid comment.

Tom
Tom
March 27, 2023 5:33 pm

Aren’t the Greens just poison.

Athiest religious zealots who’ll do whatever it takes to have their fake animist “gods” rule over us.

When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. They then become capable of believing in anything. — Émile Cammaerts.

Zipster
March 27, 2023 5:35 pm
JC
JC
March 27, 2023 5:35 pm

Women’s right to female only spaces.

How ironic to see this worm turn. As far as I can recall, all men have been hearing from women that it’s sexist and hateful to have men-only clubs and associations, to the point where laws have been passed to sanction this terrible thing. There are equality laws about the workplace, and family law has been turned into an anti-male hate fest.

Trannies now want to invade female-only spaces. Heaven forbid.

I says, women should fight this for themselves.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 5:36 pm

What a stupid comment.

Yea, naaa. It’s just your way of saying you have no response.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 5:39 pm

Robert Sewellsays:

March 27, 2023 at 2:05 pm

From the Gateway Pundit:
More undercover government FBI, Police operatives exposed in January 6th protests.
I think it’s time to ask the 2nd Amendment protesters just what will get them off their arses, stop polishing their weapons and actually use them?

You could always cash in your iodine stash, get over there, buy a weapon and get into it.
I Ferkan Derya.

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 27, 2023 5:40 pm

Monty:
They lost that one, which I think was the right decision.

Why was it the right decision?

If they are wrong in that instance why are they not wrong when it comes to female only spaces such as refuges, gaols, and change rooms.

Tom
Tom
March 27, 2023 5:42 pm

Sharri Markson on Sky: Matt Kean plans to run for federal parliament in Bradfield (Paul Fletcher) or North Sydney (Gladys Berejiklian). The Story about wanting to “spend time with the family” was, of course, bullshit.

Robert Sewell
March 27, 2023 5:43 pm

Delta A:

Just as I used to wonder how Sodom and Gomorrah could have become so evil that God wiped them from the face of the Earth.

Couldn’t blame Him for that, either.

Zipster
March 27, 2023 5:45 pm
bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2023 5:48 pm

Perhaps it’s Karma that women, (who in the 70’s, started all this divisiveness by demanding not only equality, but superiority over males,) are suffering intrusion into their spaces

This is why I can’t alie with the old guard feminist as some have done, Delta. They built the totem poll thinking they will always be on top. They started the demonisation of masculinity. This should not be forgotten.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 5:48 pm

It’s been a while since the last one.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 27, 2023 5:49 pm

Perhaps it’s Karma that women, (who in the 70’s, started all this divisiveness by demanding not only equality, but superiority over males,)
Strawman.
Radical feminists were behind the division in the Seventies, they’re creating division again.
Read your Daily Mail link above.
The fake hysteria about Trannys in Womens prisons is being pushed by WOLF, the Womens Liberation Front.
It’s the same people, with the same, tired old story.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 27, 2023 5:52 pm

I’m just curious as what happens with this pronoun bullshit in languages like French, Italian and Spanish for instance where there is feminine and masculine? Has it caught on, as it would create some really weird language crap.

It causes agony in gendered languages – particularly when the pronoun has to agree with adjectives as well as nouns.

The French are sweating creating new non-gendered pronouns (last I heard ‘ile’, or ‘illi’) because Frog has no equivalent of neuter ‘they’ – but the knock on language complications remain because the noun/adjective/article choice is still gendered.

French wokesters will be identifiable by speaking rubbish, or a language all of their own.

A bit like English wokesters, really.

Cassie of Sydney
March 27, 2023 5:52 pm

“Trannies now want to invade female-only spaces. Heaven forbid.

I says, women should fight this for themselves.”

I understand your ire JC, and this is where feminism, particularly second and third wave man hating feminism, must shoulder a lot of the blame for this. However, most women don’t deserve this condemnation, most women have never wanted to invade men only spaces and most women don’t hate men. I love men. When I went to the Let Women Speak rally here in Sydney, where there was no violence because the NSW police surprisingly did their job, I was comforted by the fact that many women came with their husbands and boyfriends.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 27, 2023 5:53 pm

Sharri Markson on Sky: Matt Kean plans to run for federal parliament in Bradfield (Paul Fletcher) or North Sydney (Gladys Berejiklian).

Huh?
North Sydney is held by a Teal, not a Berejiklian, and Paul Fletcher is a total dope and waste of space who’s done nothing of note since inheriting Bradfield from Brendan Nelson 15 years ago.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 27, 2023 5:53 pm

If a $100 trillion bill is not enough, how about some cheese?

By Gabriele Steinhauser and Bernard Mpofu
The Wall Street Journal
Updated 7:27AM March 27, 2023, First published at 12:00AM March 27, 2023
44 Comments

On a recent afternoon, Rutendo Manyowa handed over a $US5 note to pay for her $3.50 order of chicken, chips and a soft drink at a fast-food joint in the Zimbabwean capital, Harare. But instead of $1.50 change, the cashier handed Manyowa three slips of paper, bearing the restaurant’s name and the amount of money she could use to buy her next meal.

Zimbabwe, the country that brought the world the 100 trillion dollar bill, has reached a new stage of monetary dysfunction.

Because of a lack of small change, businesses have started printing their own “money” – scraps of paper, sometimes handwritten, that customers can use to pay for future purchases. Others are handing out change in kind – juice boxes, pens or slices of cheese.
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The paper chits and other pecuniary workarounds are the latest products of two decades of extreme mismanagement of Zimbabwe’s currency.

It started in the early 2000s, when the government of then-president Robert Mugabe printed ever more money in an attempt to compensate for a collapse in agricultural production that followed a controversial land-redistribution effort. After monthly inflation peaked, by one measure, at 79.6 billion per cent, the government in 2009 abolished the Zimbabwe dollar and began using US dollars.

Soon the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe could not meet the demand for US dollars. Money stored in bank accounts couldn’t be withdrawn in cash and, in 2019, the central bank reintroduced the Zimbabwe dollar, changing US dollar-denominated savings and domestic government debts into a local currency of rapidly declining value.

Today, $1 costs more than $900 Zimbabwe and inflation is at 230 per cent. Most businesses once again demand payments in US dollars, although the Zimbabwe dollar remains the country’s official currency.

That’s where the issue of change comes in. Zimbabwean commercial banks and the central bank import US dollar bills for local use, but their heavy weight and low value makes flying in coins from overseas uneconomical.

One dollar notes – the most widely used bills in a country where even before the pandemic almost 40 per cent of people lived on less than $1.80 a day – are also often in short supply.

The paper IOUs have proven an unsatisfactory fix. For starters, they aren’t mutually interchangeable. College student Manyowa, 23, spent 15 minutes waiting by the till of a Harare Chicken Inn until another customer paid with a $1 bill she could use for the bus fare home.

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“It’s frustrating,” she said.

In contrast to bank notes, which are usually made from cotton or plastic, paper chits also can’t withstand an extended spin in the washing machine.

Adelaide Moyo, a newspaper journalist, says she has more than once found the faded remnants of vouchers from Chicken Inn or the local franchise of Netherlands-based supermarket chain Spar stuck to her clothes when she pulls them out of the wash.

To avoid such losses, Moyo has accepted slices of cheese, extra sauce and, once, a hard-boiled egg instead. Those barter trades usually don’t offer good value for money, like the slice of cheese that cost her 50 cents, but, she says, they’re better than carrying around, or losing, vouchers from multiple places. “You’d rather just get the food,” she said.

Zimbabwe’s malfunctioning currency has forced businesses to become creative, says Warren Meares, the chief executive of Simbisa Brands, which owns Chicken Inn and several other fast-food chains.

The rapid devaluation of the Zimbabwean dollar has made it too costly to constantly reprint menus, which show prices in both US dollars and the local currency, so the company installed TV screens to display meals and their prices. “It was costing us almost $2000 to $3000 every time you had to change prices,” said Meares.

Simbisa’s vouchers have serial numbers and are replaced every six months to avoid them getting too worn out. Although they lack the safety features of bank notes, Meares says he’s not aware of any attempts to forge the 25c and 50c chits.

“We’re not going to accept more than $3 or $4 worth of vouchers from you,” he said. “It’s not worth it.”

The company has also launched an app, called InnBucks, that allows customers to receive change via a smartphone.

The chits issued by Spar feature an intricate pattern and holograms. The supermarket chain has had to replace the electronic tags on its shelves because the old ones ran out of digits. Smaller stores keep a book with the names of customers they owe money behind the counter or scrawl on receipts. Some clients, fearing that a shopkeeper won’t remember, have taken to filming those exchanges.

Harare-based economist Gift Mugano says that despite the chits’ drawbacks, most Zimbabweans still prefer them to getting their change in local currency.

“People don’t trust the government,” he said. “But the very same people trust the private sector. If I’m given a token in a fast-food restaurant, I know tomorrow when I come back it is accepted.”

Bank cards aren’t widely used, as many Zimbabweans now withdraw their salaries in US dollars the moment it hits their account.

“Zimbabweans have got this fun name. They’re calling it NMB bank,” said Mugano. “National Mattress Bank.”

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 5:56 pm

Cass, I should have mentioned that I was referring to some women, though not all.

Zipster
March 27, 2023 5:59 pm

Just as I used to wonder how Sodom and Gomorrah could have become so evil that God wiped them from the face of the Earth.

don’t panic we are there again….

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 27, 2023 6:01 pm

Adam Bandt was not exaggerating when he said coal and gas had “taken a huge hit”. He said the Greens had stopped many of the 116 new coal and gas projects in the pipeline from going ahead. The other certainty from what has been agreed to pass the federal government’s safeguards mechanism is that this is the beginning, not the end.

Spent the day working through this.

Our conclusion: the Government and advisers have either misunderstood their own safeguard mechanism and fallen into a Bandt Trap, or are happy to be pressured into destroying Australia’s energy security.

You will hear more of this.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2023 6:02 pm

Anyone want to repeat the word “uniparty”?

According to Mr Hayek all we did was fast forward the same capitulation by the Libs within 5-10 years.

Though I do agree, the Libs are useless at staking out any position as “the hill to die on”.

If Howard had reversed the Mabo legislation (remember, there was no judgement over the mainland, only one section of the Torres Straight until Keating legislated it as Australia wide).
No rivers of munni, no uni whiteant departments of grievance gurus and Aboriginals would have been the same as everyone else.
Now we are faced with race based aristocracy and the insatiable call for more and more munni to preserve a portion of the population in squalor to justify it.

Imagine that – the fundamental proposition of land tenure became something done and dusted never to be revisited.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 27, 2023 6:03 pm

I understand your ire JC, and this is where feminism, particularly second and third wave man hating feminism, must shoulder a lot of the blame for this.

So, whaddya doin’ supporting Kellie-Jay, who is a Trans Exclusionary Radical FEMINIST who likely is linked to WOLF, Womens Liberation Front.
If you’re on their platform, you support them, Cassie of Sydney.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 6:07 pm

“Zimbabweans have got this fun name. They’re calling it NMB bank,” said Mugano. “National Mattress Bank.”

Africans have a good sense of humour about this stuff. Had a great laugh with an Ugandan Support Worker about some news story one night. Anyone who can just leaves. She was buying an apartment with her sister. The rest just try to find a way to make it work.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 6:10 pm

Anyone want to repeat the word “uniparty”?

It’s like that old joke,What’s the difference between Labor and the Liberals?
About 5 years.

Miltonf
Miltonf
March 27, 2023 6:11 pm

Either montypox is a really idiotic useful idiot or is not arguing in good faith. Maybe doing a st ruth.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 6:12 pm

Marrying a beagle is totally out of bounds in my view.
However, a Cavoodle or a really cute Collie is probably OK.

MatrixTransform
March 27, 2023 6:15 pm

I never felt the need in the 70’s to be liberated: I’d been treated kindly and very fairly all my life. In 2023, I, along with millions of my sex, feel more threatened, hated and diminished than ever before.

things were better when they were worse.

whenever an arts grad talks about ‘progress’ it usually means ‘anywhere but here’

like sheep they do … ooh, is that another paddock over Chesterton’s Fence??

we should deffo go there

cohenite
March 27, 2023 6:16 pm

JCsays:
March 27, 2023 at 5:54 pm
Moira Deeming is a pretty decent looker for a politician.

Credlin on Moira’s speech opposing her expulsion notes Moira relates how she was sexually assaulted when she was young. She should sue the cuck leader who has defamed her and Posie; but you know that.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

TV screenshots from Saturday night, contrasting the stark difference in ethnic makeup between supporters of the Greens & of One Nation.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 6:20 pm

Always put a name tag on your cavoodle. If you lose it at the dog park you’ll never recognise it in the crowd. The French bulldog for those that missed out the first time.

rosie
rosie
March 27, 2023 6:21 pm

As soon as Monty said he was okay with men being excluded from women’s sport he admitted he was himself a TERF and fully engaged in those Old Blighty imported culture wars.

calli
calli
March 27, 2023 6:22 pm

Gilas says:
March 27, 2023 at 5:31 pm

I liked MarkA’s stuff. Thanks for the link.

My view on the other site is this – if you have a contributor with a thread dedicated to heaping scorn on people who are pretty much on your side, but with a couple of differences of either approach or opinion or if you simply don’t “like” them, you have a real problem. A problem of smallness that will never be cured.

It smacks of this.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 6:22 pm

Gilassays:

March 27, 2023 at 4:28 pm

Had a gander over at the Discord Cat Collectives..

It was a useful bridge when Old Cat was sunk.
But ultimately a bit unwieldy as a blog.
It still exists in small groups and one-to-one comms.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 6:23 pm

Honey wars!!!!

JMH
JMH
March 27, 2023 6:24 pm

Well done and kudos to Peta Credlin who read portions of Moira Deeming’s statement to the Victorian Liberal hovel, defending herself against Pesutto’s (or should that be Pussuto’s) attack against her based on a Wiki. entry, FFS. As Credlin said, 9 months suspension of Deeming leads into Christmas and she doubts Pussuto will still be Liberal leader by then.

Nats take note. Do you want to be in coalition with this sick bucket of a party?

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 27, 2023 6:24 pm

Looking at Moira Deeming’s Wiki page [which has only existed since last friday, despite her being elected last November, and had already had 50 revisions, but only 26 today, so far.]
No real personal info, not even a DOB, husband, who her parents are.
It reads like a Labor Party bio.
She is a serial candidate, though, Wiki says Scotty M hisself told the Victorian Liberals to find another candidate for Gorton last May.
I’d say she’s a Labor plant, may have used the Liz Truss method once or twice to get preferment.

Frank
Frank
March 27, 2023 6:25 pm

“a good old fashioned community lynching”

Sort of like what Posy Parker (save for the police) almost enjoyed at the hands of the trannies in NZ.

pete of perth
pete of perth
March 27, 2023 6:27 pm

Southpark Cartman for some levity..

Kick you in the nuts

Miltonf
Miltonf
March 27, 2023 6:27 pm

National Party is certainly a better name than Liberal Party.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 6:27 pm

Honey wars!!!!

Not Kerry Stokes and Capilano again? Where’s the Kangaroo Court.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 27, 2023 6:28 pm

Credlin on Moira’s speech opposing her expulsion notes Moira relates how she was sexually assaulted when she was young.

Why would anyone disclose that to a roomful of strangers.
It reeks of emotional blackmail.

Tom
Tom
March 27, 2023 6:28 pm

I’d say she’s a Labor plant

No, Googleory, you idiot. She’s obviously a spook.

PS: thanks for the endless entertainment.

Anchor What
Anchor What
March 27, 2023 6:29 pm

If Laura Jayes is rated FF, Moira is only a bit behind at FF-. Catherine Deeves is also a FF.

calli
calli
March 27, 2023 6:29 pm

I says, women should fight this for themselves.

Perhaps. Anyone who touches one of our granddaughters will be wearing his tackle around his neck, courtesy of the Beloved.

I will be the one who shoves it down his throat.

Equal opportunity is important.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 6:29 pm

She is a serial candidate, though, Wiki says Scotty M hisself told the Victorian Liberals to find another candidate for Gorton last May.

No stronger recommendation.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 6:30 pm

JCsays:

March 27, 2023 at 4:53 pm

Real honest question. It’s funny and really dumb for idiots asking that different pronouns be used to reference “they”. ?

I’m just curious as what happens with this pronoun bullshit in languages like French, Italian and Spanish for instance where there is feminine and masculine? 

I think there was a screenshot on Week In Pictures (?) of Google translate returning both feminine and masculine versions in Spanish.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2023 6:32 pm

Oh look – its one of these right wing troublemakers fighting a culture war…

The State Library of New South Wales’s state librarian and chief executive has signalled he will retire, amid staff unrest over senior management and the acquisition of a controversial painting of Country Liberal senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price.

Dr John Vallance, who served as principal of the prestigious Sydney Grammar School for almost two decades before the Liberal government appointed him to one of the state’s most senior public service positions, told library staff in an email dated 14 February that he would leave “sometime in July or August” to concentrate “on my own work”.

The email also said his interim position as acting CEO of Museums of History, the new flagship cultural institution created by the Perrottet government, was concluding in June “and there is no plan to extend that”.

“Contrary to one rumour I have heard, I do not wish to ‘jump ship’,” Vallance wrote in the email.

Staff at the State Library of NSW told the Guardian that the atmosphere in the 197-year-old institution has been fraught recently, particularly over the library’s decision to buy a portrait of Price painted by the Australian’s chief cartoonist Johannes Leak.
Several staff members, including some First Nations employees, allegedly told Vallance they were offended by the decision to buy the portrait of the Northern Territory senator, which a library spokesperson confirmed to the Guardian had cost $20,000.

Price, a Warlpiri/Celtic woman who is a conservative Country Liberal senator for the Northern Territory calls herself “unafraid to call it like it is”, and is a vocal critic of the Indigenous voice to parliament
….
The spokesperson did not confirm or deny that Vallance had told staff the painting would not be displayed to the public when asked by the Guardian, but said that members of the public could request to view it by signing up for a special collections card and making an appointment.

The winning portrait.. by “Blak Douglas”, hes an Aboriginal dont you know?

Vicki
Vicki
March 27, 2023 6:34 pm

Emeritus Prof. Bob Clancy (and Dr. Phillip Altman) once again warns of the danger of the Covid vaccines:

https://open.substack.com/pub/phillipaltman/p/what-will-it-take-to-withdraw-these?r=j2j4d&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 27, 2023 6:34 pm

No stronger recommendation.

If you’re voting Labor anyway?

Moira got quite a bit of publicity for her views in the Victorian Election lead up.
I wonder if that contributed to the poor result?

calli
calli
March 27, 2023 6:34 pm

I see Obama is visiting.

Carbon neutral visit I hope.

Tom
Tom
March 27, 2023 6:34 pm

Katherine Deves is a very desirable human female.

But she’s taken — which ends my interest.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 6:35 pm

Yes.
Week In Pictures last weekend.
Someone enters “non binary” into an online translator.
It returns the Spanish “no binaria” (feminine) and “no binario” (masculine).

calli
calli
March 27, 2023 6:36 pm

Ahahaha…Julie Bishop is involved.

And there it is. She was never a conservative. Something else entirely.

cohenite
March 27, 2023 6:36 pm

That’s interesting. Credlin analysis shows the liars are still no certainty of being able to govern in their own right; which will mean that green freak greenwich may still come into play. What a fu.king mess. And Latham still no certainty of a 3rd seat let alone a 4th in the LC. Maybe kean will fall down a coal mine and cheer us all up.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 6:38 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
March 27, 2023 at 6:23 pm

Honey wars!!!!

Angry Kez is a dishonest little worm.

The Australian Competition & Consumer Commission says it has found no evidence to support claims that Capilano’s ‘Allowrie’ honey was adulterated, although honey testing methods remain under the spotlight.

The investigation followed allegations in the media that a number of honey products including Capilano’s ‘Allowrie’ honey, labelled ‘pure’ and ‘100 per cent honey’, were adulterated with sugar syrup.

and

The ACCC’s investigation found Capilano had taken steps to provide assurance, and did not uncover any other evidence that supported the allegation Capilano’s Allowrie honey was adulterated with sugar syrup.

“During the course of our investigation however, it also became evident that there is low confidence in the current test method (the C4 test) used to detect adulterated honey,” ACCC deputy chair Mick Keogh said.

“Governments and research agencies around the world are investigating alternative testing methods, including NMR, but these are not yet developed to the point they can be used with sufficient confidence.”

Angry K was just making it up to somehow look bigtime.

Miltonf
Miltonf
March 27, 2023 6:39 pm

Can’t believe Keen got back in. So Hornsby’s like Mosman now?

calli
calli
March 27, 2023 6:39 pm

Oh. Albo said he’d never make a deal with the Greens.

Today he does just that.

Thanks Luigi the Genuinely Unbelievable.

cohenite
March 27, 2023 6:40 pm

Why would anyone disclose that to a roomful of strangers.
It reeks of emotional blackmail.

You mean crotchless, why would a conservative woman disclose it. Left tarts disclose it all the time, even if it isn’t true.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2023 6:42 pm

Why would anyone disclose that to a roomful of strangers.
It reeks of emotional blackmail.

Ground control to Major Mong
The time is near, there’s not too long
Can you hear me Major Mong?
Can you hear me Major Mong?
Can you hear me Major Mong?
Can you…

Britanee the knickerless’ biggest fanboi hits new height of self unawareness.

MatrixTransform
March 27, 2023 6:42 pm

anybody know how this Moira farce played out today?

the clown couldn’t get the numbers for a party-vote and had to resort to some limp gesture that was actually within his own purview?

gawd Pesutto is an idiot

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 6:43 pm

JCsays:

March 27, 2023 at 5:56 pm

Cass, I should have mentioned that I was referring to some women, though not all.

Real women can make a killer ginger fluff sponge with proper cream.
I’d never touch a trannie-cake.

JMH
JMH
March 27, 2023 6:46 pm

I see Obama is visiting.

Carbon neutral visit I hope.

Nope. Private jet.

Zipster
March 27, 2023 6:47 pm

I for one humbly acknowledge the custodians of these digital lands upon which we speak . I would also like to pay my respects to the benevolent GPT elders past, present and future.

just thought I’d get that in early as a reference point

Vicki
Vicki
March 27, 2023 6:47 pm

I see Obama is visiting.

Saw on the news that he had lunch at Bathers Pavilion at Balmoral Beach. Thank goodness we are at the farm. It will be the talk of the Balmoral Beach coffee set.

Hope he got stuck in traffic up “Awaba” like everyone else.

Zipster
March 27, 2023 6:50 pm

I see Obama is visiting.

Carbon neutral visit I hope.

632 white folk had their personal co2 emissions snuffed out to balance out the carbon forcing

Diogenes
Diogenes
March 27, 2023 6:50 pm

Interestingly here in Qld Christwhatafool has decided to forgo the NSW strategy of announcing candidates only weeks out from the election, and has started announcing candidates for the next Qld election in 18 months time.

Vicki
Vicki
March 27, 2023 6:50 pm

And there it is. She was never a conservative.

I liked Julie Bishop when she wore pearls and a twinset. And used the famous “stare” at Laborites.

Yes – I can remember that.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
March 27, 2023 6:55 pm

I must remember to write to the State Library of NSW and congratulate them on acquiring the Johannes Leak portrait of Jacinda Nampijinpa Price.

Robert Sewell
March 27, 2023 6:55 pm

The Frolicking Moll:

We should totally be importing food from a shithole that routinely adulterates and falsifies its products.

I had a look at bee hives a while back.
The regulations and cost of adhering to them were breathtaking.
Stuff that.

Siltstone
Siltstone
March 27, 2023 6:59 pm

Mole #6:32
Thanks for the link to Leak junior portrait of Senator Price. It is superb. The arts luvvies in NSW State Library can suffer in their jocks knowing they could not produce something like that on thousand years, nor recognise artistry when it smacks them in the face.

Delta A
Delta A
March 27, 2023 6:59 pm

It’s the same people, with the same, tired old story.

Yes. The tired old story that women do not want to be raped. Is that another LOL, fool?

JMH
JMH
March 27, 2023 7:01 pm

I had a look at bee hives a while back.
The regulations and cost of adhering to them were breathtaking.
Stuff that.

I’ll just get this plug in “Pure Beechworth Honey. 100% Australian Honey Always.”

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2023 7:02 pm

Nope. Private jet.

DS1.

John H.
John H.
March 27, 2023 7:05 pm

callisays:
March 27, 2023 at 6:22 pm
Gilas says:
March 27, 2023 at 5:31 pm

I liked MarkA’s stuff. Thanks for the link.

My view on the other site is this – if you have a contributor with a thread dedicated to heaping scorn on people who are pretty much on your side, but with a couple of differences of either approach or opinion or if you simply don’t “like” them, you have a real problem. A problem of smallness that will never be cured.

It smacks of this.

Well stated Calli.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2023 7:06 pm

I had a look at bee hives a while back.
The regulations and cost of adhering to them were breathtaking.
Stuff that.

Twiggy and Stokes smile at your being dissuaded from taking up beehives as a hobby/earner.
They would deny being at the forefront of making it “go big or go home” to force small operators (beyond the backyard) out of the industry.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-01/andrew-forrest-and-kerry-stokes-enter-honey-business/8669254

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnews%2Fnsw%2Fcoffs-harbour%2Fbeekeeper-says-hes-being-pushed-to-the-brink%2Fnews-story%2Ff2617c7a9fe9f11022fafa443ca118c1&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-high-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 27, 2023 7:08 pm

I must remember to write to the State Library of NSW and congratulate them on acquiring the Johannes Leak portrait of Jacinda Nampijinpa Price.

It’s a brilliant piece of work.

rosie
rosie
March 27, 2023 7:08 pm

a controversial painting

How is it controversial?
Looks like a pretty classic style portrait to me.
Or they don’t think female indigenous women should have their portraits painted?

MatrixTransform
March 27, 2023 7:11 pm

I, John Pesutto Esq.
as leader of the venerable opposition party
in the state formerly known as Victoria
sentence you, Moira Deeming
to 9 months of … The Silent Treatment

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 27, 2023 7:11 pm

Arguing with a Democrat is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird will knock over all the chess pieces, shit all over the board, and then strut around like they’ve won

I love this metaphor. It was on the new ‘is this a Jussie Smollet?’ thread on Youtube, the one looking at the sobbing trannie in the loo at JFK airport. Maybe caught out on the security Xray machine, he was noted going into the female toilets, followed in by black female security guards, and claims to have been punched in his female balls by one of these guards. There is doubt that it ever happened of course.

I don’t condone punching anyone’s balls, female ones or otherwise. But if a true story, JFK Diversity Department is in a world of pain too. Does a trannie in the loo trump firing a black female security guard?

Modern life.

Robert Sewell
March 27, 2023 7:13 pm

JMH:

If memory serves, years ago, Australia’s very own Capilano was caught doing the same thing involving China. That’s when I bypassed Capilano and began to read honey labels with regard to country of origin and contents very carefully.

The same thing happens with tomato products from Italy. My understanding is the Mafia made big inroads into the rebottling of Chinese bulk tomato paste and concentrate.
I don’t buy tomato products from either country now. Only Australian. Even then I read the labels carefully.
I wonder if there’s some way of testing stuff like this? Perhaps isotopic ratios?

Roger
Roger
March 27, 2023 7:13 pm

So that’s what Johannes gets up to on his days off.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 27, 2023 7:13 pm

a controversial painting

How is it controversial?

Because neither the artist nor the subject are slaves of the hive mind. They think for themselves, which is forbidden.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 27, 2023 7:14 pm

Pure Yellow Box honey is the top of the tree.

cohenite
March 27, 2023 7:17 pm

Anyone got access to the Australian story on the father of the 3rd nation punk who stabbed the young bottle shop worker to death saying the punk did this because wacism.

Robert Sewell
March 27, 2023 7:20 pm

Flyingduk:

Bollocks! The Bradley has a 25mm main gun, which *might* defeat an MBT with a point blank up the clacker rear end shot, but would be hard pressed to penetrate MBT front, side or turret armour at 1600m.

What idiot made the initial statement, Duk?
Mind you, I read an account of a German aircraft defence crew in WW2 being confronted by a T34 which – unknown to them – had run out of main gun ammunition. They kept firing a 20mm cannon at the turret and the crew bailed out after several minutes of this because they were deafened and confused by the impact noise.
I doubt a T72 or later crew would even hear the 25mm impacts.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

a controversial painting
How is it controversial?

100%

Chris
Chris
March 27, 2023 7:21 pm

Ground control to Major Mong
The time is near, there’s not too long
Can you hear me Major Mong?
Can you hear me Major Mong?
Can you hear me Major Mong?

Last week I did a day’s training in Mental Health First Aid.

I thought it would be complete PC cack.
Given the time available it was quite good; stress, anxiety, depression, suicidality, difficult conversations, refer to doctor or someone with expertise.
The trainer talked about various pejoratives in the past tense, and ‘thank heavens those aren’t used now’. She included Mong. I said no, thats right now. When we have mong-features over there calling Mong a mong, I would feel like a real mong if I let that through to the keeper.

I think she probably works in the sector…

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 7:24 pm

Kangaroo Court was wrong? Well, that’s a surprise.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 27, 2023 7:25 pm

Anyone got access to the Australian story on the father of the 3rd nation punk who stabbed the young bottle shop worker to death saying the punk did this because wacism.

Already posted, up thread.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 7:25 pm

After Gargooglery, Prof van Wrongselen they would be my 3rd trusted blogger.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 7:26 pm

I wonder if there’s some way of testing stuff like this? Perhaps isotopic ratios?

Testing for Iodine content could be a huge tell, Turtlehead.

Also, I’m guessing the most recent call to arms is a joke too, right?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2023 7:27 pm

Taki meets Eva.
https://www.takimag.com/article/the-lunch-crowd/
Eva Vlaardingerbroek is what used to be known as the type bishops would throw a rock through a stained-glass window for, and she’s as brainy as she’s beautiful. I immediately asked her to marry me, but she agreed to an engagement first—“as we have plenty of time.” (I’m glad she thinks so.)

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 27, 2023 7:27 pm

I love this metaphor.

I would hazard to say the Cafe crested pigeons are more intelligent than Democrats. They know where their food comes from, they are grateful, and they come running if they see me at the front gate. Literally – it’s fun to see two or three of them going as fast as they can up my driveway.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 27, 2023 7:28 pm

On matters of sensitivity, following on from my comment on what Tomcats here know to be a very sensitive part of male-to-female anatomy, I really do wish that the ‘sensitivity’ readers would lay off old treasures like Agatha Christie and Enid Blyton.

The class, race, ethnicity and gender expressions found in the authentic albeit outmoded language of their day is part of the charm of reading into another world and its old-fashioned ways. The attitudes as written are integral to the plots and situations, giving integrity to the characters and thus enabling the readers’ suspension of critique or even disbelief.

If they did this to P.G. Wodehouse there would be nothing left of his artful creations.
And the literary world would be so much the poorer for that.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 7:29 pm

H B Bearsays:

March 27, 2023 at 6:27 pm

Honey wars!!!!

Not Kerry Stokes and Capilano again? Where’s the Kangaroo Court.

Wasn’t Vito Capilano the capo dei capi of the La Miele crime family in New York?

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 7:29 pm

I liked Julie Bishop when she wore pearls and a twinset.

An outstanding loyal deputy.

m0nty
March 27, 2023 7:31 pm

Why was it the right decision?

If they are wrong in that instance why are they not wrong when it comes to female only spaces such as refuges, gaols, and change rooms.

Gaols are probably also a subject in which I would agree with you lot given the amount of violence that goes on there as a matter of course. As for the rest, nup, existing laws on assault can cover that.

But that’s not really what this is all about, is it? Many Cats in this thread have stated that it is really about denying that trans people exist. They want to classify it as a mental illness and/or crime, to purge trans people from society. It is not about protecting women at all. It is about bullying and persecuting a minority.

MatrixTransform
March 27, 2023 7:32 pm

crested pigeons

Party Pigeons
cos they wear the party hats

Crossie
Crossie
March 27, 2023 7:33 pm

Top Ender says:
March 27, 2023 at 4:29 pm
In Kiwi Land for a few weeks…so which country is the most woke?
I would think NZ, but on flying down to Melbourne via Virgin of course we got the acknowledgement or whatever it’s called of being on aboriginal land.
But then again, nothing at all at landing in Queenstown, where they were giving away free date-expired RATs tests in a box on the way out of the airport.

What? The Kiwis did not welcome you to Aotearoa? How inhospitable of them?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2023 7:34 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
March 27, 2023 at 7:28 pm

Get them started on the Flashman books.
That will see a mob of them off for years.

Try this audio sampler on the opium wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx0Xh343Cm0

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 27, 2023 7:35 pm

Literally – it’s fun to see two or three of them going as fast as they can up my driveway.

Brings a smile to my face picturing it, Bruce. 🙂

Yesterday, peering into the pit dug into the shell of a house left next door, I noticed one of our fledgies sitting on the scaffolding, proudly holding a wiggling insect in its beak. He/she was trying to kill it with little bashes on the metal and I held my breath for I could see disaster looming, as it did. The fledgie dropped the insect and flew down into the mud and rocks below desperately searching for the lost treasure. No luck. All disappeared and one very disappointed bird with a lesson learned.
An insect in the beak is ok eaten wriggling. It is, after all, what their mum used to poke down their throats in the nest.

Frank
Frank
March 27, 2023 7:35 pm

I liked Julie Bishop when she wore pearls and a twinset. And used the famous “stare” at Laborites.

She lost me when she did that interview (puff piece) in which she admitted to spending time during her youth in Europe listening to Madonna songs.

JMH
JMH
March 27, 2023 7:37 pm

Robert S @ 7.13 pm:

The same thing happens with tomato products from Italy. My understanding is the Mafia made big inroads into the rebottling of Chinese bulk tomato paste and concentrate.
I don’t buy tomato products from either country now. Only Australian. Even then I read the labels carefully.
I wonder if there’s some way of testing stuff like this? Perhaps isotopic ratios?

With the 2018 Capilano saga investigated by both Fairfax and the ABC at the time, it was declared that the two purity tests conducted weren’t entirely reliable. One would hope, since then, both the Dep’t of Ag and ACCC have lifted their game – but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
On Italian Italian tomato products – I don’t but them either. I put Italy into the same contamination Basket as I do with regard to food stuffs coming from NZ.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 27, 2023 7:38 pm

Ed Casesays:
March 27, 2023 at 6:03 pm
I understand your ire JC, and this is where feminism, particularly second and third wave man hating feminism, must shoulder a lot of the blame for this.

So, whaddya doin’ supporting Kellie-Jay, who is a Trans Exclusionary Radical FEMINIST who likely is linked to WOLF, Womens Liberation Front.
If you’re on their platform, you support them, Cassie of Sydney.

Richard, Richard, Richard, she’s a Spook, traveling around the world, luring the enemies within into the open.

Your attitude has been noted. Pack a small bag, and wait for the knock on the door.

MatrixTransform
March 27, 2023 7:38 pm

It is about bullying and persecuting a minority

oh stfu you fat cross-dressing wanker

JMH
JMH
March 27, 2023 7:38 pm

Oops! *buy*

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 7:38 pm

… spending time during her youth in Europe listening to Madonna songs.

That really resonated with the Young Liborals.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 27, 2023 7:39 pm

Miltonfsays:
March 27, 2023 at 6:11 pm
Either montypox is a really idiotic useful idiot or is not arguing in good faith. Maybe doing a st ruth.

He is not arguing in good faith, but he has been absolutely manic since Saturday evening. Too many donuts, or needs some meds?

Robert Sewell
March 27, 2023 7:39 pm

Calli:

What will the next spin be? What new abomination will be vociferously promoted and eagerly forced upon an unwilling populace?

I’ve got a bet going with someone – lowering the age of consent to 10. I give them 3 years for the bet to expire.
Whatever it will be, it will be something to rub our noses in the fact they have infiltrated the legislative machine enough to get their way.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 7:41 pm

JC at 6:38.
Yep.
A scare campaign without foundation. So easy to test for (which they did). We see this from time-to-time as a means of trying to create protection for local products. The trouble is, it ends in “boy cries wolf” and genuine threats are ignored.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 7:45 pm

I dunno, Turtlehead. I don’t think you’re not being your usual extremist self with that prediction as I think they will take the age of consent down to 3 months after birth within 2 years.

Frank
Frank
March 27, 2023 7:45 pm

I’ve got a bet going with someone – lowering the age of consent to 10.

They’ll start with 13.

rosie
rosie
March 27, 2023 7:46 pm

None of those things Monty.
I want children to wait until they are 18 before any irrevocable decisions re drugs and surgery are taken.
Doesn’t a rash of adolescent sudden onset gender dysphoria seem a little odd?
I don’t want little children exposed to women mocking oversexualised men and I don’t want men dressed as women in the ladies toilets.
I’ve only had one, polite and dignified interaction with so called transwomen and they were clearly gay men playing dress ups, whatever they might claim.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 7:47 pm

Is it really an ALPBC-SMH investigation without Louise Nilligan and the taxpayer being out of pocket?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 7:49 pm

What idiot made the initial statement, Duk?

Pretty sure it was Martin Armstrong.
God, he’s a goose.

Robert Sewell
March 27, 2023 7:50 pm

Bespoke:

You first.

Not my country, not my second amendment, not my government that was stolen.
Therefore, not my problem.
What’s your position on this?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 27, 2023 7:51 pm

Many Cats in this thread have stated that it is really about denying that trans people exist. They want to classify it as a mental illness and/or crime, to purge trans people from society.

Trans peope have always existed, I said that and we here know that. They were rare, seen as brave by many, and accepted if they existed in their chosen gender without palava.. In the male-to-female category, Jan Morris, the travel writer who was once John Morris, is a case in point that many here would remember. So is Catherine McGregor in the Australian Defense Forces, who clearly states that in her new gender she is not a true woman, just more comfortable living as a woman. Kelly-Jay Keen, aka Posie Parker, would agree with that choice, reserving the title of woman to a born woman and the rest as a form of play-acting which should not take place in women-only spaces.

With the present widespread social encouragement of transgenderism as some sort of unevidenced biological imperative it is quite reasonable to see it a social contagion, a form of disordered mental processes, especially when offered to susceptible young people. When it is a parade of male genitals in female spaces it is a crime known as exhibitionism, or worse. When it takes over female sporting achievements, it is a crime known as fraud.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2023 7:51 pm

ABCCess busy attacking another industry with footage from single issue fanatics.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-27/pork-industry-carbon-dioxide-stunning-hidden-cameras-730/102094548

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 7:51 pm

Nice drop of autumn rain here.
Slowly coming down all day.
13 mm since last night.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 7:53 pm

Not my country, not my second amendment, not my government that was stolen.
Therefore, not my problem.

So why are you prodding them to start blasting if it’s none of your business?

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 27, 2023 7:54 pm

rosiesays:
March 27, 2023 at 7:08 pm
a controversial painting

How is it controversial?
Looks like a pretty classic style portrait to me.
Or they don’t think female indigenous women should have their portraits painted?

Certainly not “indigenous women” who disagree with the urban (white) indigenous aristocracy.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 7:54 pm

Sanchez

Didn’t Freddie Capilano end up in Sing Sing to 20 years over a murder rap.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 7:55 pm

for

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2023 7:56 pm
JC
JC
March 27, 2023 7:56 pm

So why are you prodding them to start blasting if it’s none of your business?

Oh, he’s just kidding like the last couple of call to arms. He’s such a kidder.

Robert Sewell
March 27, 2023 8:00 pm

Dover Beach:

A spontaneous and massive protest spread this evening all over Israel,

Spontaneous = multiple Faggot Flags, Israeli flags and a camera held at an angle that gives no indication of the size of the crowd, when it could be held a bit higher to do so.
Yes, Marxist rentacrowd.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 8:00 pm

JCsays:

March 27, 2023 at 7:54 pm

Sanchez

Didn’t Freddie Capilano end up in Sing Sing to 20 years over a murder rap.

Nah.
That was Big Sammy Capilano.
Freddie was the bagman who got whacked by the La Miele mob for investing their cash with Martin Armstrong.
Lost the lot.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 27, 2023 8:02 pm

m0nty=fa

As for the rest, nup, existing laws on assault can cover that.

A rather casual attitude to the possibility of sexual assault in changing rooms and toilets. Are you always this relaxed about such things?

But that’s not really what this is all about, is it? Many Cats in this thread have stated that it is really about denying that trans people exist. They want to classify it as a mental illness and/or crime, to purge trans people from society. It is not about protecting women at all. It is about bullying and persecuting a minority.

Direct quotes and links, your reliability in such matters is not high.

And now that Lieborals are a minority, kindly cease your bullying and persecution of them. Poor Matt Kean is already suffering enough.

PS, you really are an idiot.

rosie
rosie
March 27, 2023 8:05 pm

Actually I used to work with a transgender, didn’t transition until after a successful career as a male, then bald and beer bellied he reappeared in the wig, the Fletcher Jones skirts, pantihose, heels, twinset, pearls, pancake and lippy.
Obviously had a thing for projecting an image of a mature woman circa 1967.
Perfectly normal.
Had the surgery. Still made me very uncomfortable if spotted in the ladies.

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2023 8:08 pm

What’s your position on this?

Hasn’t changed from last time we discussed it. It hasn’t come to insurrection yet.

m0nty
March 27, 2023 8:08 pm

With the present widespread social encouragement of transgenderism as some sort of unevidenced biological imperative it is quite reasonable to see it a social contagion, a form of disordered mental processes, especially when offered to susceptible young people.

Bollocks, Lizzie.

Calling them mentally ill or denying their identity with snide remarks as other Cats are doing is just bigotry, plain and simple. You don’t have to like them, but you shouldn’t persecute them either.

You generally seem like a nice person, Lizzie, but I think you are being unusually impolite on this one.

rosie
rosie
March 27, 2023 8:09 pm

I’m not particularly concerned about assault in change rooms but male bodies in a supposed to be female space.
That is clearly unfair and unreasonable for modest girls and women.

JC
JC
March 27, 2023 8:09 pm

Lol

Frank
Frank
March 27, 2023 8:11 pm

Calling them mentally ill is a prerequisite for getting onto the hormones you useless bag of lard.

rosie
rosie
March 27, 2023 8:12 pm

Persecution.
Would that be not allowing them to compete in female sports, access women’s refuges, change rooms etc?
Refuse to have sexual relationships with them?
They seem to be the demands being made.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 27, 2023 8:12 pm

Many Cats in this thread have stated that it is really about denying that trans people exist. They want to classify it as a mental illness and/or crime,

Nobody here has denied that blokes who believe they’re ‘really’ women exist, and vice versa. Nobody here has called it a crime. Most of us think it’s a mental illness; just as we’d think that a bloke who believed he was ‘really’ Napoleon had a mental illness.

If your brain is telling you something which is false, you have a mental illness. It’s happened to me several times. In each case a woman was involved, and my brain told me that she was the most beautiful, kind, generous, sexy and intelligent woman in the world. In each case it took around two years for sanity to return, whereupon I realised that although a pleasant enough lass, she was not outstandingly so.

I can understand why mother nature should befuddle my brain with hormones to make me temporarily insane, while I don’t understand why the old bat should make someone think he’s Napoleon, nor someone else think he’s a woman. But in all cases, the poor victim is transparently off his chump. In my case, while under the influence I made absurd promises which no sane man would ever make, and in one case it led to babies. Which is why mother nature sent me off my chump, no doubt. Why make a bloke believe he’s a woman I have no idea. But he isn’t a new kind of human being who automatically gets pandered to, he’s just a bloke who’s brain is lying to him. That is, a bloke with a mental illness. We should be kind to him, and try to discourage his delusion, although it probably wouldn’t work. I don’t suppose I’d have paid much attention if someone had taken me aside and told me the ladies concerned were amiable but fairly commonplace. Certainly, encouraging the delusion can have very bad effects, and is not recommended.

You surely don’t believe what you say here. But then, you’re a postmodernist who doesn’t believe in anything. Except power, and being fashionable in an already obsolete way.

Cassie of Sydney
March 27, 2023 8:15 pm

“Calling them mentally ill or denying their identity with snide remarks as other Cats are doing is just bigotry, plain and simple. You don’t have to like them, but you shouldn’t persecute them either.”

Bollocks pervert apologist, saying that they’re not women and saying that they can’t enter women’s safe spaces IS NOT persecution. Most of these MEN have a mental illness, or they’re fetishists or they have a condition called autogynephilia, which means that they get erections by donning women’s attire.

They need psychological and psychiatric help. My God you’re a disgrace.

Does your wife know you’re a pervert apologist?

Cassie of Sydney
March 27, 2023 8:16 pm

“Refuse to have sexual relationships with them?”

Indeed. Perhaps the pervert apologist can show the way in this regard.

Bar Beach Swimmer
March 27, 2023 8:19 pm

m0nty says:
March 27, 2023 at 7:31 pm

Why was it the right decision?

Me: If they are wrong in that instance why are they not wrong when it comes to female only spaces such as refuges, gaols, and change rooms.

Monty: Gaols are probably also a subject in which I would agree with you lot given the amount of violence that goes on there as a matter of course. As for the rest, nup, existing laws on assault can cover that.

So, sport and gaols are now understandable places to remain fully female. Thank you, Monty, for conceding that in a rights argument someone has to lose out.

While you haven’t as yet spelt out exactly why your position aligns with a number of commenters here, I would suggest that you can see that in both instances the female, being physically weaker, is being put at a major disadvantage.

In the case of sport, despite training and dedication to the highest level possible, against someone born male and remaining male until after puberty, that female would have no chance of success, ever.

And in incarceration; every one of the people housed in those places has committed a crime – some very serious, violent crimes – including the transgender person. That puts at risk the inmates. The duty of care the prison authorities have to the inmates should be enough to acknowledge the risk to female prisoners.

Now, what about female refuges and change rooms? FYI, when I go to the beach, the toilets include a section, which must first be passed through, where females strip in front of others into their swimmers and return to shower and change. Those facilities are used by mothers and children as well. Would you be happy for a male to enter such a place and undress in front of those females because they claim transgender status?

Monty:
But that’s not really what this is all about, is it? Many Cats in this thread have stated that it is really about denying that trans people exist. They want to classify it as a mental illness and/or crime, to purge trans people from society. It is not about protecting women at all. It is about bullying and persecuting a minority.

Are you now bullying and persecuting transgenders because you have accepted that in certain settings there is actual risk to females from transgender people, requiring females to have special consideration of female only places?

John H.
John H.
March 27, 2023 8:19 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
March 27, 2023 at 7:51 pm
Many Cats in this thread have stated that it is really about denying that trans people exist. They want to classify it as a mental illness and/or crime, to purge trans people from society.

Trans peope have always existed, I said that and we here know that. They were rare, seen as brave by many, and accepted if they existed in their chosen gender without palava.. In the male-to-female category, Jan Morris, the travel writer who was once John Morris, is a case in point that many here would remember. So is Catherine McGregor in the Australian Defense Forces, who clearly states that in her new gender she is not a true woman, just more comfortable living as a woman. Kelly-Jay Keen, aka Posie Parker, would agree with that choice, reserving the title of woman to a born woman and the rest as a form of play-acting which should not take place in women-only spaces.

With the present widespread social encouragement of transgenderism as some sort of unevidenced biological imperative it is quite reasonable to see it a social contagion, a form of disordered mental processes, especially when offered to susceptible young people. When it is a parade of male genitals in female spaces it is a crime known as exhibitionism, or worse. When it takes over female sporting achievements, it is a crime known as fraud.

Many cultures have recognised a variety of genders. The Talmud recognizes gender diversity. If I were so inclined reading about how those individuals were\are treated in different cultures might be instructive.

I wonder if they argued over which bushes trans could use as toilets.

There are interesting correlates to your argument regarding social contagion:
The explosion in anxiety and depression is partly due to people being scripted.
Intern syndrome with doctors and psychologists.
The explosion in ADD and ASD diagnoses when those conditions became trendy.
UFO sightings are rare now.
Mass psychosis\delusion.
The famous Asch conformity experiments.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 8:19 pm

Robert Sewellsays:

March 27, 2023 at 2:05 pm

From the Gateway Pundit:
More undercover government FBI, Police operatives exposed in January 6th protests.
I think it’s time to ask the 2nd Amendment protesters just what will get them off their arses, stop polishing their weapons and actually use them?

Urging others to stand (or fall if necessary) from the couch.
How very Faulty of you.

Crossie
Crossie
March 27, 2023 8:19 pm

calli says:
March 27, 2023 at 6:34 pm
I see Obama is visiting.

Carbon neutral visit I hope.

Not only did he arrive on a private jet but he travels around the city with a long motorcade following him everywhere. It looked like 20 high powered cars or thereabouts.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2023 8:21 pm

desperate attempt

I will yield to you on this if you can find a solid conservative base for policies. To my mind, both classical liberalism and conservatism go back to John Locke.

I find that acceptable and convincing as a source for policy making.

MatrixTransform
March 27, 2023 8:22 pm

Calling them mentally ill

… is a grace

Cassie of Sydney
March 27, 2023 8:23 pm

“The Talmud recognizes gender diversity.”

Rubbish. Have you read the Talmud? Are you a Talmudic scholar? Clearly not. Progressive Judaism in America is trying to push this garbage. I know some Talmud and it doesn’t recognise or push “gender diversity”.

Robert Sewell
March 27, 2023 8:25 pm

Doc Beaugan:

Say “Transwomen are Women” to yourself. Say it six times and it becomes true. Well known fact.

So what happens if you say backwards six times?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2023 8:28 pm

So what happens if you say backwards six times?

You get the right to arm bears.
Times six.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 27, 2023 8:28 pm

Calling them mentally ill or denying their identity with snide remarks as other Cats are doing is just bigotry, plain and simple.

Um, Monty, you are looking at this the wrong way.
These people are going to burn in Hell forever unless they repent.
Would you wish that upon anyone? This is why we want them to realize their predicament.

Zipster
March 27, 2023 8:32 pm

‘Sparks of AGI’ – Bombshell GPT-4 Paper: Fully Read w/ 15 Revelations
Less than 24 hours ago a paper was released that will echo around the world. I read all 154 pages in one sitting. The paper suggests GPT 4 has ‘sparks of Artificial General Intelligence’. This is not just hype, I go through 15 examples detailing just what exactly the unrestrained GPT 4 is capable of.

Indolent
Indolent
March 27, 2023 8:33 pm
Indolent
Indolent
March 27, 2023 8:33 pm
calli
calli
March 27, 2023 8:35 pm

Johannes Leak has inherited a precious talent – the ability to capture a personality in an artwork.

Like his father before him, it can be in oils or pen and ink or watercolour or even a mix of drawing and computer. He could probably do it in fibre should the fit take him. It’s remarkable.

Every parent wants their child to exhibit their very best. For Bill, Johannes has done just that.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2023 8:35 pm

But that’s not really what this is all about, is it? Many Cats in this thread have stated that it is really about denying that trans people exist. They want to classify it as a mental illness and/or crime, to purge trans people from society. It is not about protecting women at all. It is about bullying and persecuting a minority.

Some facts:

A lot of them ARE mentally ill and vulnerable, particularly the children.
Many kids who are forced to wait for gender reassignment find out they are simply gay and had body dismorphia as they didn’t consider they were gay – they don’t have gender reassignment and are happier for it.
People who undergo gender reassignment tend to decline in terms of mental health and suicide.
A lot of the abuses of transgender rights aren’t even genuine, they’re just cynical perverts – re male rapists in female prisons or “Jessica” Yaniv’s parent free trans teen pool party. I mean come on dude.
I don’t have to call anyone anything I don’t want to unless they have something I want, I am in court or the military. Criminalising someone’s belief that trans people aren’t legit is stupid. Even if it is legitimate there are so many frauds and attention grabbing sociopaths. Are you REALLY going to make people go before a tribunal for not calling a hairy armed and legged, 5 o clock shadow man in a dress without bottom surgery, a “woman”?
For the people who are intersex or genuinely have body dismorphia, I feel sorry for them. They are cases where gender reassignment may be the most appropriate care, but it should wait until they are adults. It is truly irreversible and sterilises the person.
If the genuine cases were not swamped with things like the perverts in prison or Jessica Yaniv, the medically justifiable cases would get a lot more respect and compassion.
They are unlikely to be attention grabbing sociopaths.
They may feel they have a right to use their new gender bathroom, but since they are genuine and would like their privacy respected, perhaps third bathrooms are a good compromise.
We should look at if there is any cause to a rising rate in intersex or body dismorphia if the upward trend exists at all. Is there an environmental factor we are missing?

If I call a man I don’t respect a woman or a girl, should I go to the ADB/ADC as well?

Basically it goes down to criminalising name calling. This is not a legitimate public concern. Why is it illegal to “dead name” someone but not call them a F^%$wit, a danger to children or others, or themselves, mild defamation, incompetent, dumb or useless, a SINK, too fat to get remarried or a used up old slut?

What a rampant waste of taxes the public worked hard to earn and pay.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2023 8:35 pm

ladyballs

Too early for Macquarie word of the year?

2dogs
2dogs
March 27, 2023 8:35 pm

Calling them mentally ill or denying their identity with snide remarks as other Cats are doing is just bigotry, plain and simple.

Most detransitioners reveal they had mental illnesses which were misdiagnosed as gender dysphoria.

I hope those who are mentally ill get the help they need. Many do not.

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