Open Thread – Tues 4 April 2023


The Moreno Garden at Bordighera, Claude Monet, 1884

2,244 responses to “Open Thread – Tues 4 April 2023”

  1. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Newspoll is traditionally woeful at State level polling, this is hardly something new. The Oz, largely focused on National matters can poll ~1200 people and get a “National feel” but you can’t split that ~1200 across all States and Territories.

    They said Barnett could hold on in 2017 and nobody has ever lost by so much.

  2. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0ntysays:
    April 5, 2023 at 2:14 pm
    Either way, the likely Republican Senate super majority won by Republicans in Wisconsin today means your Demonrat Supreme Court Justice can now be impeached and convicted by the Wisonsin Senate! And why not, when you hold 22 of the 33 voting seats.

    Impeach and convict for what? Oh right, that’s doesn’t matter.

    Ask the DemonRats, tthey’re the eggspurts on the subject.

  3. dover0beach Avatar

    The question polled is entirely vacuous; 90%, I’m being kind, will not even understand what ‘the Voice’ actually or could entail; namely, that it will likely constitute a fourth branch of government, without any idea how it will be appointed or removed and by whom, what the limits of its remit are, what its relationship to the G-G is if anything at all, and so on. Gray Connolly has a long but good outline of the problems here. People, here, are voting, in all likelihood, as if this is something the Parliament is creating and which could consequently also be dissolved by the Parliament, not as something which is a constitutional alteration, that once created, will have a life of its own, that can only be undone via referendum.

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  4. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0ntysays:
    April 5, 2023 at 2:19 pm
    The Wisconsin Democrat judge won her SC election by 10 points. Perhaps they should convict her of being a Democrat. Might as well make it official.

    LOL, no self awareness at all.

  5. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “They said Barnett could hold on in 2017 and nobody has ever lost by so much.”

    Until Cockup in 2021.

  6. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Rogersays:
    April 5, 2023 at 2:52 pm
    You’re very excited today, monty.

    Be prepared for the inevitable downer.

    Show some sympathy, this is only his third orgasm since May last year, and two of them in under a fortnight has been verry exhausting.

  7. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    I see, they want to be half virgin and half pregnant. What else could we expect from those idiots.

    Constitutional recognition was Tony Abbott’s position as PM, so it’s not unexpected that the Libs would end up backing that.

    What is key is that they oppose the Voice being constitutionally entrenched.

    I’m waiting for Dutton’s presser rather than putting too much store in journalists reporting hearsay from the party room.

  8. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Dutton is opposing the Voice in it’s present form, so unless Albanese calls a Covid Lockdown and a Postal Vote, it’s going down.

    BTW, Dutton was very relaxed at the presser, he took a question from every reptile there, he and the Liberal Working Group went to Alice Springs, Leonora, Laverton and East Arnhem Land, and they were all opposed to the Voice, apart from East Arnhem Land, which was strongly in favour.

    He did point out that they’ve got their act together in East Arnhem Land, they’ve successfully negotiated with Rio Tinto, in itself a remarkable effort.
    Dutton said there were 3 or 4 opposed, Bridget Archer says she’s campaigning for Albanese, and had a whinge that everybody in the Liberal Party who ever crossed the floor had their career flatline.

    But, she’s gonna double down on stupid anyway.

  9. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Cassie

    Hmmm, I don’t so. Odd that you seem to like to spend a lot time here with us “losers”.

    Indeed. He could instead go to his own blog, and talk to the other political geniuses there, Steve from Brissy and Homer the Idiot. A good session of mutual reinforcement would cheer him up, he seems a bit low today.

  10. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Now, I know most of the Commenters here are in denial that the Liberal Party’s disgraceful treatment of Brittany Higgins cost them the Election, but … apart from Higgins and Curtin falling to Teal women, did a single Liberal Woman go down in 2022?

    I’m thinkin’ not.

  11. Mark from Melbourne Avatar
    Mark from Melbourne

    Phrasing, Ed.

  12. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Cassie of Sydney:

    The Trump indictment is an indictment on the millions of voters who voted for Trump in 2016 and in 2020. If the corrupt Democrat Party and its corrupt wing, the DoJ, could indict every Trump voter, they would.

    Which side of politics boasted that a civil war in the US would see 40 million in the camps or dead? Yes – it was the Left. And they praise themselves as the good guys.

  13. Christine Avatar
    Christine

    “…he took a question from every reptile there…”
    warms the heart

    Very good Dutton news

  14. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Yeah, phrasing … but I said they didn’t [though I might be wrong].

  15. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Ed Casesays:
    April 5, 2023 at 3:16 pm
    Now, I know most of the Commenters here are in denial that the Liberal Party’s disgraceful treatment of Brittany Higgins cost them the Election, but … apart from Higgins and Curtin falling to Teal women, did a single Liberal Woman go down in 2022?

    I’m thinkin’ not.

    You’re not thinkin’.

  16. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Reptiles of the Press
    from the Dear Bill letters in Private Eye during Thatcher’s time as P.M.

    Peter Smark plagiarised one of those in the SMH and was sacked over it.
    Which was a dopey thing to do, Private Eye was in the newsagents then, but a shame too, since he was a fine writer.

  17. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    95% of votes counted in Wisconsin Senate ballot

    The RINO* there is leading by 1300 votes.

    *sure, he’s a was a non-Trump candidate, but if they end up with their SUPER MAJORITY and end up going after pro-abortion Supreme Court Justices for impeachment and conviction, well.. he can’t be that bad (and he’s learnt from the best: Bragg, Garland et al…).

    I think that’s coitus interruptus for Muntard. 😛

  18. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    The crosstabs from the Newspoll on the Voice are brutal.

    The methodology note and crosstabs do indeed shine a bright light on the poll.

    The key feature is that the poll is a “reanalysis of surveys conducted between February 1 and April 3, 2023.

    Given the wording of the Referendum question (including the inclusion of ‘executive government’ in the Voice’s ambit) was only published in mid-March, you’d have to question the basis for the ‘Partly in favour/Partly against‘ opinions (assuming the lock-ins for either side don’t really care about arguments and details and stuff).

    If you extract that squishy part of the data, the picture looks like:
    – SA, Victoria, and NSW are clearly pro-Yes;
    – WA and Qld are solid No’s; and
    – Tasmania doesn’t have a net view.

    So, probably not a lay-down misère.

    m0nty is correct in that the No demographic appears to be concentrated on Ute Man and retirees. Obviously these should not be allowed to vote because the swine make up a larger proportion of the population than nice, well-heeled university-educated folk.

  19. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    Ed Case says:
    April 5, 2023 at 6:55 am

    It was the white race that ended black slavery.
    There’s still Black Slavery in Africa and the Middle East, dickhead.

    Special Ed comes out swinging with a wet lettuce leaf of pedantry.

  20. Robert Sewell Avatar

    rickw:

    Have been ignoring calls from employees of my former employer.
    Now sending questions via text message.

    So what are they after?
    Is their operation going tits up?
    Celebrating your birthday?

  21. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    During the Civil War, Lincoln was a dictator and he stipulated to the Press and his Generals that no mention was to be made of ending Slavery, for fear the Union Soldiers would refuse to fight.

    Bottom line:
    White people didn’t have any part of the African Slavery business, possibly apart from crewing the Slave Ships.
    They did play a role in enslaving Irish people in the American Colon ies though.
    As a matter of fact, they’d put Irishmen to work on dangerous jobs, holding that their African Slaves were too valuable to risk.

  22. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    A good session of mutual reinforcement would cheer him up

    The love that dare not frot its name?

  23. dover0beach Avatar

    The key feature is that the poll is a “reanalysis of surveys conducted between February 1 and April 3, 2023.”

    A ‘reanalysis’ of surveys conducted over a period of 2 months. FMD.

  24. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    During the Civil War, Lincoln was a dictator and he stipulated to the Press and his Generals that no mention was to be made of ending Slavery, for fear the Union Soldiers would refuse to fight.

    Grandpa Simpson

    The Emancipation Proclamation was issued on 1 January 1863, six months before Gettysburg, more than two years before Lee surrendered at Appomattox.

    How did Lee’s surrender happen if Union soldiers were refusing to fight after January 1863?

  25. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    You can trust NewsPoll when there’s nothing on the line and it doesn’t matter.
    The rest of the time, it’s LiesTold.

  26. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    On day Ed will stumble over the inconvenient fact that time only moves in one direction, and when mummy sends him to sit on his “tardis” chair in the corner its actually a retardis and the pictures in his head arent time travel.

  27. P Avatar
    P

    You’re not thinkin’.

    I might be wrong but perhaps Reid and Chisholm could be considered.

  28. JC Avatar

    I heard a very interesting podcast earlier today about the possibility (and at this stage, it’s speculative) that one of the “Krakens” has been lying hidden and is not too far away from being found and proven. The claim is that it’s a big piece of the puzzle where Demonrats cheated in the election.

    There’s an electoral accounting system called ERIC, which a number of states use to count the people coming in and out of the state and supposedly calibrate the state based electoral rolls.
    Fancy that, but a big-time Demonrat has been running ERIC, and the supposition is that this is where there’s an enormous amount of cheating going on.
    Let’s see.

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  29. m0nty Avatar

    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more, go sun yourself in the garden old farts and leave the running of the country to others.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘Alcohol in his baby bottles’: Terence Kelly’s childhood of ‘chronic, severe and complex’ trauma
    Rebecca Peppiatt
    By Rebecca Peppiatt
    April 5, 2023 — 1.04pm

    The nighttime theft of a four-year-old girl while she slept beside her parents on a camping trip in Western Australia’s coastal north made headlines across the nation and around the world.

    Now, for the first time, details about the life of the man behind Australia’s most infamous kidnapping have been revealed as a District Court judge sentenced Terence Darrell Kelly to more than 13 years in prison.

    Kelly was an Indigenous child born in Wickham, north of Karratha in WA’s Pilbara, to disadvantaged parents who drank, fought and abused each other and their children.

    Chief Judge Julie Wager stated the now-37-year-old experienced “chronic and complex trauma and profound disadvantage”, as well as early neurodevelopmental impairment during his young life.

    Wager spoke quietly and directly to Kelly during the sentencing as she detailed his upbringing.

    “Your mother drank heavily and used cannabis,” she said.

    “Your father was abusive and violent.”

    At two years old, Kelly was placed into the care of his aunt Penny Walker, who he viewed as his grandmother, after his parents abandoned him and child protection services found alcohol in his baby bottles.

    “The lack of care you received as an infant was damaging,” Wager said.

    Kelly had a hearing impairment which he was supposed to wear aids for, but refused to because it led to him being bullied.

    Cleo heard her name on radio while held captive by Terence Kelly during 18-day ordeal

    Wager said the hearing and associated speech issues, “likely separated you further from people”.

    As a young boy, Kelly was also diagnosed with ADHD, which he was prescribed medication for.

    Around seven years old, his behaviour changed suddenly, Wager said, with Kelly becoming behaviourally challenged and difficult to manage.

    “In 1997 when you were 12, your behaviour was noted to have changed further after a visit to your parents,” she said.

    “You became suicidal and were hospitalised. Sharp objects found under your bed.”

    On discharge, doctors diagnosed him with oppositional defiance disorder, ADHD, nocturnal enuresis, and bilateral conductive hearing loss.

    A few years later, at almost 14 years old, Kelly spent two weeks in his father’s care.

    “Child protection notes [Kelly’s father] was abusive and violent during that visit,” Wager said.

    It was also around that time Kelly saw his mother for the last time and later that year his “difficult and disruptive behaviour” saw him expelled from school. That same year a good friend, aged 12, died by suicide.

    Walker could no longer handle him, and Kelly was sent away because of “violent”, “antisocial” and “inappropriate” behaviours.

    By then he was becoming increasingly isolated and alone.

    “Your conduct, including your ADHD, bed-wetting and bulky stature had contributed to your alienation from school,” Wager said.

    By 2014, Kelly was locked up for aggravated burglary and other burglary offences, and had also received a fine for being in possession of methamphetamine.

    By then he was 28 years old and, after his release in 2017, he went back to live with Walker.

    Kelly had no further interactions with police until he sat in an interview late one night in November 2021 and confessed to the abduction of Cleo Smith.

    Doctors have extensively evaluated Kelly since in a bid to try and understand why he had committed one of Australia’s most notorious kidnappings.

    Their assessment? Complex developmental and personality dysfunction.

    “Neuropsychology could not confirm your mother’s use of alcohol but it is entirely likely your deficits are due to alcohol spectrum disorder,” the court was told on Wednesday.

    “There is a family history of alcohol in utero and ADHD in childhood.”

    Doctors described Kelly as detached, anti-social, depressive and narcissistic with a severe personality disorder and paranoid schizophrenia with complex post-traumatic stress disorder, a moderate depressive disorder and anxiety.

    “I accept that you were exposed to chronic, severe and complex trauma in childhood,” Wager said.

    She also agreed that it was these complex issues that led Kelly into a fantasy world where he was a father and a husband, collected dolls, and wanted to dress Cleo up and play with her.

    “He has a severely fragile, disturbed and fragmented identity and low esteem, which his fantasy world protects him from,” was one doctor’s assessment of him.

    “It’s likely that this fantasy world developed in the context of his early neglect and trauma in childhood as a self-protective mechanism.”

    The court heard how Kelly told police he had a number of children.

    “These family members are, I find, fictitious,” Wager said.

    “However, they are very real members of your family to you. You’d opened Facebook pages for your fantasy children and communicated with them. You also had a significant interest in Bratz dolls and
    owned many of them, and this hobby is consistent with your fantasy family life.”

    The death of Walker, who had raised Kelly since he was a toddler, and his subsequent drug-taking “tipped him over the edge” and led to his impulsive decision to take little Cleo from her tent that fateful night.

    Wager said it was “very unlikely” he would have stolen her if he did not have such significant mental impairments, with the combination of drug use.

    Ultimately, Wager acknowledged the sad life that Kelly had led and took his past into consideration when sentencing him.

    “I also fully accept your background of deprivation,” she said.

    “You’re not to be punished for it. No child in Western Australia should have suffered the neurodevelopmental difficulties, the trauma, the grief and the neglect that you suffered as
    a child and as a young person.

    “Sadly, in Western Australia, many Aboriginal people have suffered the adverse impacts of colonisation. I fully accept that you’re one of them and I accept that you’ve turned to drug misuse because of the pain and trauma that you’ve suffered throughout your life.”

    Colonisation. Yeah, right.

  31. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Re: the Wisconsin SC judge election in which the fat liberal sow won and dickless is oozing about. It was a small turnout unfortunately which gave the white SINKs their perfect opportunity to claw back some from R v W. The lesson is this: the left are implacable in seeking ego vindication. The rest of Wisconsin will find out the hard way that you don’t give them an inch.

  32. JC Avatar

    m0nty says:
    April 5, 2023 at 2:14 pm

    Either way, the likely Republican Senate super majority won by Republicans in Wisconsin today means your Demonrat Supreme Court Justice can now be impeached and convicted by the Wisonsin Senate! And why not, when you hold 22 of the 33 voting seats.

    Impeach and convict for what? Oh right, that’s doesn’t matter.

    It does matter, Monst. It matters a hell of a lot. She’s a Demonrat and therefore deserves to be jailed. You know, no one is above the law, right? That’s the working assumption now.

  33. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Steve Trickler:

    Just a few days prior to my surgery I was asked was I willing to to accept a donor blood transfusion if things went awry. I said yes but placed a strict caveat on it.

    Why didn’t you give a Liter of your own blood pre surgery? Obviously there was the opportunity to do so.

  34. Zipster Avatar

    Rupert Murdoch and Ann Lesley Smith have abruptly called off their engagement — just two weeks after they announced their plans to marry.

    smart man

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  36. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Wodger:

    Dutton, wading through Party Room tears and fears, would do well to remember that 38% of Australians are going to be deeply pissed off when the Voice turns into a permanent political institution.

    I really hope they got my email where I gave them my 2 bobs worth on the subject.
    Mind you, they will still push for a “conscience vote” because they’re gutless pricks who wouldn’t even stand to piss.

  37. Walker Avatar
    Walker

    Monty, my mother died recently at the age of 95. Are you seriously suggesting that for a third of her life she had “no skin in the game”?

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  38. Dot Avatar

    m0nty says:
    April 5, 2023 at 4:00 pm

    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more, go sun yourself in the garden old farts and leave the running of the country to others.

    You won’t live past 60, fatboy.

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  39. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “The Wisconsin result for SC will overturn their abortion ban. Another anti-Dobbs result.”

    Heh – you do know, don’t you, that over-turning the Roe v Wade handed back the power to the states, whereit always was and always should have been. So no-one is particularly upset over this.

  40. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise.

    Bring back Logan’s Run! But only for lefties.
    They’re the only ones concerned by Malthusian stuff.

    (It’s fun to look at such past bedwetting and reflect on how things actually turned out.)

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise.

    Does that mean you should be exempt from paying taxes, as well?

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  42. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Oh dear…

    Annastacia Palaszczuk has publicly offered to help Elbow explain the Voice better.

    Because we all know what a master of communication she is.

    Seems she’s concerned it’s not going to get up under Albanese’s leadership.

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  43. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Holy poop, this is an interesting little factoid.
    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-genocide-strikes-back/

    The molestation mania of the ’80s was led by people screaming “die groomer!” (or words of the time to that extent), and today’s trannymania is being fought by people who think screaming “die groomer!” is the cure. But by examining the outsize role of women in both pathologies, it becomes clear that there’s far more at play than “grooming.” Male trannies are easy to figure out: They’re typically autogynephiliacs. With them it’s sexual. But it’s not sexual with the female advocates. They see themselves as rescuers of children, just as they did during the molestation panic. That makes them more dangerous. The men just wanna beat off while wearing a dress as someone calls them ma’am. The women possess a savior complex. Fanatics convinced they’re saving the lives of children are damn difficult to defeat.

    One must understand the psychology behind the fanaticism. Which is a tall order for conservatives, because thoughtful contemplation isn’t always their thing.
    ….
    But, in fact, you know the biggest powerhouse behind the 1980s satanic panic?

    The Tavistock Institute. Valerie Sinason, psychoanalyst/psychotherapist at Tavistock, was perhaps the most influential promulgator of satanic ritual abuse hysteria.

    Yes, that’s the same Tavistock Institute behind the tranny craze; the same Tavistock that had its gender clinic forcibly closed by the NHS last year for butchering and chemically castrating children in the name of trannyism.

    Tavistock launched that gender clinic in 1989. They laid the groundwork for the tranny craze just as they’d earlier laid the groundwork for the satanic panic.

    And here we come full circle, a direct line leading from one craze to another via the same institute and the same Ph.D.’d madmen and madwomen moving from one mania to another, bringing misery to the world in the name of saving children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treating_Survivors_of_Satanist_Abuse

  44. Dot Avatar

    The Tavistock Institute. Valerie Sinason, psychoanalyst/psychotherapist at Tavistock, was perhaps the most influential promulgator of satanic ritual abuse hysteria.

    Nah dawg, you’re playin’…

    ???

    !

    Mind blowing.

  45. Mark from Melbourne Avatar
    Mark from Melbourne

    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more, go sun yourself in the garden old farts and leave the running of the country to others.

    Aw, come on, m0nst. That is seriously low-rent trolling. Up your game, man!

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  46. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Dover Beach:

    A ‘reanalysis’ of surveys conducted over a period of 2 months. FMD.

    Sounds like a bullshit poll to me.
    “We’ll take some results from here, and a few from there…”

  47. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0ntysays:
    April 5, 2023 at 4:00 pm
    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more, go sun yourself in the garden old farts and leave the running of the country to others.

    Ageist pig!

    Actually, it is only with maturity that it becomes possible to observe the stupidity and arrogance of those with limited life experience. Failing Economics, having a nervous breakdown, getting a credential in j’ism, sitting in your basement hiding from a cold and running a fantasy website, even collectively do not constitute life experience.

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  48. calli Avatar
    calli

    When all my grandchildren reach voting age, I’ll relinquish the vote if pressed.

    Meanwhile, since they can’t, I shall vote in their best interests.

  49. calli Avatar
    calli

    Eeew! Just realised. I’ll only be 80 by then. Perhaps I can vote on behalf of great grandchildren. Bound to be some about.

  50. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    Oh and have you told your wife that you’re a pervert apologist? She might need to know.

    She knows. Every hour he spends here is an hour she doesn’t have to put up with him. Pretty selfish really.

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  51. calli Avatar
    calli

    Winston, perhaps they’re using the BOM homogenisation model.

  52. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more, go sun yourself in the garden old farts and leave the running of the country to others.”

    Hey Blackshirt, is that right before compulsory euthanasia?

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  53. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    I might be wrong but perhaps Reid and Chisholm could be considered.
    Thanks, kid.
    Yeah Gladys Liu won against a Chinese candidate in 2019.
    Labor didn’t make that mistake in 2022 and Liu was easily defeated.

    Fiona Reid just wasn’t a good candidate, though Labor ran a dirty campaign in Reid.
    Still, they lost 20 seats, 16 0f them were men, so the men were punished more.

  54. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Monty, my mother died recently at the age of 95. Are you seriously suggesting that for a third of her life she had “no skin in the game”?”

    Yes he is, that’s how his rodent mind thinks.

    Perhaps I’m being unfair to rodents, I suspect they have more decency.

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  55. Robert Sewell Avatar

    The Frollicking Mole:

    But, in fact, you know the biggest powerhouse behind the 1980s satanic panic?
    The Tavistock Institute. Valerie Sinason, psychoanalyst/psychotherapist at Tavistock, was perhaps the most influential promulgator of satanic ritual abuse hysteria.
    Yes, that’s the same Tavistock Institute behind the tranny craze; the same Tavistock that had its gender clinic forcibly closed by the NHS last year for butchering and chemically castrating children in the name of trannyism.
    Tavistock launched that gender clinic in 1989. They laid the groundwork for the tranny craze just as they’d earlier laid the groundwork for the satanic panic.
    And here we come full circle, a direct line leading from one craze to another via the same institute and the same Ph.D.’d madmen and madwomen moving from one mania to another, bringing misery to the world in the name of saving children.

    Some really interesting points made here. The people who pushed the child molestation crisis of the 80’s are literally the same ones pushing the trans crisis now. And they’re using the very same method of manipulation to do it.

  56. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    In news that may shock you. Or perhaps not, Hun:

    Liberal Party president Greg Mirabella says the party is being crippled by a major brand problem that has made it unelectable.

    In a scathing assessment of Saturday‘s shock Aston by-election defeat, Mr Mirabella told members Victorians had sent the party a very clear message.

    It was the first time in a century a federal government won a seat from opposition at a by-election.

    “In the last 12 months the people of Victoria have made it perfectly clear that we are not electable,” he said.

    “I think the major problem remains: us. Brand Liberal.”

    The comments came in an email to members in which Mr Mirabella lamented the loss of the seat of Aston, which was formerly held by Alan Tudge, to Labor‘s Mary Doyle.

    He again repeated his public praise for Liberal Candidate Roshena Campbell who he said “worked night and day, and gave it her all.”

    “We must better understand the nature of how the electorate perceives Brand-Liberal, because we need to urgently begin the process of repositioning.

    “This will not be a quick process, and we need to be doing it in conjunction with the Federal Executive, but we must start.”

    Mr Mirabella said the party had commissioned detailed research to better analyse the by-election loss.

    In December Mr Mirabella ruled out a formal review into the party‘s disastrous 2022 state election campaign.

    “We had comprehensive reviews after the 2014 and 2018 state losses, and I’ve been briefed on the 2022 Federal loss review as well,” he said at the time.

    “Several of the campaign staff have spent the past week analysing the old reviews, as well as the ALP’s own review from 2019.

    “As you might expect, so many of the “lessons” are the same, and so many of the recommendations seem to remain unimplemented.”

    He ultimately concluded a relentlessly negative campaign had failed to win over voters who struggled to accept former leader Matthew Guy as a credible alternative to Daniel Andrews.

    Mr Mirabella is facing a potential challenge for his presidency.

    Maybe Mirabella can tell candidates to not run on Labor Lite policies.

  57. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more, go sun yourself in the garden old farts and leave the running of the country to others.

    Worth consideration.

    I’d say, put the voting age back to 21, and make voting optional for Nursing home residents.
    Most of them are fairly demented, but get an ALP guy and an AEC person in cahoots and that oldster will be voting Labor 99% of the time.

  58. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    The Trump Indictment is So Bad it Shows The Lack of any Dignity Left in NY Courts

    “This Indictment is an ABUSE OF POWER and it is totally in violation of the DUE PROCESS OF LAW where a citizen MUST be provided clear evidence of such a charge – fair notice. New York’s legal system VIOLATES the Constitution and is about time that the State of New York be brought to its knees for all the abuse they have inflicted upon the people with this half-ass criminal system. As a former NY Judge himself admitted that the system was corrupt and written to the core.

    Lawyers for decades have said a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich because the system is outright corrupt beyond compare. That phrase was first coined by a New York State Judge named Sol Wachtler (born 1930). Wachtler was the former chief judge of New York state who coined that term in a January 1985 interview with the New York Daily News‘ Marcia Kramer and Frank Lombardi. The relevant portion:

    “In a bid to make prosecutors more accountable for their actions, Chief Judge Sol Wachtler has proposed that the state scrap the grand jury system of bringing criminal indictments.

    Wachtler, who became the state’s top judge earlier this month, said district attorneys now have so much influence on grand juries that “by and large” they could get them to “indict a ham sandwich.”

    A month later, the New York Times noted that Wachtler believed grand juries “operate more often as the prosecutor’s pawn than the citizen’s shield.” This belief—that prosecutors can get grand juries to do whatever they want them to do is universal and if this is not seriously changed, we will see massive civil unrest tear the system apart limb for limb.

    If I were Trump, I would move to dismiss this indictment for a plain violation of Due Process and the lack of a right to be clearly informed of uyour crime.

    This judge is politically corrupt. He will deny that, it should be take to the US Supreme Court and the State of New York should be hauled into court and ordered to pay retribution to every person who has been criminally charged with such an indictment lacking formal notice of the charge. This has shown to the entire world, that the United States no longer respects the Constitution or the rule of law.”

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/the-trump-indictment-is-so-bad-it-shows-the-lack-of-any-dignity-left-in-ny-courts/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

  59. dover0beach Avatar

    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more

    A 65-year old has more ‘skin in the game’ than a 20- year old as they’ve contributed far more to their community, of which the latter is still a net beneficiary.

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  60. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Liberal Party president Greg Mirabella says the party is being crippled by a major brand problem that has made it unelectable.

    Garbage.
    #1. Women are vindictive and they are still punishing the Party over it’s treatment of Brittany Higgins.
    #2. The candidate was obviously Menopausal, that’s a turnoff to voters.

  61. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition.

    – Alan Turing

  62. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Tickler at 12:57.
    Does the Red Cross segregate the blood of the vaxxed and unvaxxed?
    What if they’d said sign the form as is or no operation?

  63. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Cassie of Sydneysays:
    April 5, 2023 at 5:00 pm
    “To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more, go sun yourself in the garden old farts and leave the running of the country to others.”

    Hey Blackshirt, is that right before compulsory euthanasia?

    Use the correct title: Aktion T4. Trudeaupe is hot for it, like all true fascists.

  64. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more, go sun yourself in the garden old farts and leave the running of the country to others.

    Is this when we play “tomorrow belongs to me!”?

    Experience and Grandkids.

    Clearly don’t have any of the first. With respect to the later, you seem excited at the possibility of your kids having their reproductive organs ripped out.

    Not surprising you don’t understand.

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  65. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Liberal Party president Greg Mirabella says the party is being crippled by a major brand problem that has made it unelectable.”

    Is this the same Greg Mirabella who’s married to Sophie Mirabella, the Liberal who lost the formerly safe seat of Indi back in 2013 to an independent, tried to win it back in 2016 and lost again?

    Ah yes, I think I know just who is “unelectable” here. Perhaps when dissing out advice about just who and what is “unelectable” Mirabella should look closer to home

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  66. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Two priests were going to Hawaii on vacation and decided that they would make this a real vacation by not wearing anything that would identify them as clergy. As soon as the plane landed, they headed for a store and bought some really outrageous shorts and shirts, sandals, sunglasses, etc.

    The next morning, they went to the beach, dressed in their tourist garb and were sitting on beach chairs enjoying a drink, the sunshine and the scenery.

    Soon enough, a drop dead gorgeous blonde in a tiny bikini came walking straight toward them. They couldn’t help but stare.

    As she passed them she turned, smiled, and said: “Good morning father, good morning father”. Nodding and addressing each of them individually. They were both stunned; how in the world were they recognised as priests?

    They went back to the store, bought even more outrageous outfits and again they settled on the beach in their chairs to enjoy the sunshine again.

    After a while, the same gorgeous blonde, wearing a string bikini this time, came walking toward them again. They were glad they had sunglasses, because their eyes were about to pop out of their heads!

    Again, she approached them and greeted them individually: “Good morning father. Good morning father” and started to walk away.

    One of the priests couldn’t stand it and said “Just a minute young lady. Yes, we are priests, and proud of it, but I have to know, how in the world did YOU know?”

    “Oh father, don’t you recognise me? I’m Sister Kathryn!”

  67. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    She knows. Every hour he spends here is an hour she doesn’t have to put up with him. Pretty selfish really.

    Also means he’s nowhere near the kids.

  68. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    “I think the major problem remains: us. Brand Liberal.”

    It’s sort of fun to see how these swamp critters agonize in this way, because the ALWAYS draw exactly the wrong conclusion. To make the Libs electable they have to do a whole lot of stuff which the Lib elites can’t stomach, nor even conceive of, like rejecting net zero, rejecting woke and rejecting the racist Voice.

    Basically they have to be MAGA, and I suspect they’d rather die than do that. So die is what the Liberal Party will do.

  69. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    “Liberal Party president Greg Mirabella says the party is being crippled by a major brand problem that has made it unelectable.”

    It’s a major “content problem” you imbecile.

  70. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Ed Casesays:
    April 5, 2023 at 5:09 pm
    Liberal Party president Greg Mirabella says the party is being crippled by a major brand problem that has made it unelectable.

    Garbage.
    #1. Women are vindictive and they are still punishing the Party over it’s treatment of Brittany Higgins.
    #2. The candidate was obviously Menopausal, that’s a turnoff to voters.

    Grandpa (or should that be Grandma) Simpson

    #1, You are obsessed with Mizzzzz Knickerless, why is this? Outside the political circus, how many know her as other than the woman who went out for a night boozing in a white dress, but no knickers? Are you her auntie?

    #2, Gross, are you approaching menopause, and scared of it?

  71. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    “To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more, go sun yourself in the garden old farts and leave the running of the country to others.”

    LOL. I seem to have sped past the early age of 65 years now and on my way past 70 years at 100 mph. No Jabs either and all good. My farts are full of methane and I always blow the wind towards CanBrrrrrrr. Might help them when the lights go out with Blackout Bowen in charge of no electrical charge. Winter drawers on and get to it peoples. Get those candles ready as well as those log fires.

  72. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition.

    Pretty good line as it happens. Probably not meant to be parsed using the usual rules of English comprehension though.

  73. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    So what are they after?
    Is their operation going tits up?
    Celebrating your birthday?

    Technical and operational advice.

  74. Alamak! Avatar
    Alamak!

    People who oppose the Voice are mostly dumbarses who don’t have a stake in the future and want to burn it all down

    Freudian slips will out …

    Constitutionally speaking a fourth, race-based entity with powers to “represent” across the whole of executive government and appeal anything to Judicial review is burning downAustralian civic governance. With some possible noxious effects on the social contract between mainstream Oz and Govt also.

  75. P Avatar
    P

    at 5:17 pm

    Some of us would appreciate if those forwarding jokes here would note that this is Holy Week.

  76. dover0beach Avatar

    Trevor Sutcliffe
    @TrevorSutcliffe
    Ukraine supporters are apparently totally comfortable considering a popular blogger who is vocally supportive of one side in a war to be a “legitimate target” for terrorist-style assassination.
    The implications of that becoming a norm in warfare are unsettling, to say the least.
    Quote Tweet

    Michael Tracey
    @mtracey
    ·
    18h
    Fresh off receiving an Oscar before an adoring crowd in Hollywood, Bellingcat operative @christogrozev takes to the airwaves explicitly justifying the legitimacy of what he calls a “well-performed” cafe bombing in St. Petersburg

  77. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Does the Red Cross segregate the blood of the vaxxed and unvaxxed?
    What if they’d said sign the form as is or no operation?

    You can get your own true blue blood kept to one side. Who in their right mind would want the poisoned jabbed blood in their veins? FFS

  78. Vicki Avatar
    Vicki

    To be honest, when you hit 65 years of age you should lose the franchise. You have no skin in the game any more

    I have never had more “skin in the game.” Have spent a lifetime defining and creating the space I have been allotted in this world. We all have. Working hard, encountering opposition, winning and losing, loving and slowly understanding what we are here to do.

    Don’t ever demean or dismiss the value of the years gone by…….and to come.

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  79. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    @DC_Draino · 12h

    Hey Dems – The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals just awarded Donald Trump $121,962.56 in attorneys fees from Stormy Daniels
    Yes, a *California* appellate court just made Stormy pay Trump today
    But good luck with your Stormy indictment in NY
    I’m sure he’s “going down this time!”

    Trump is so chad hookers pay *him* money.
    BTW, how is m0nty coping?

  80. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Psays:
    April 5, 2023 at 5:32 pm
    at 5:17 pm

    Some of us would appreciate if those forwarding jokes here would note that this is Holy Week.

    And what is so Holy about this week? If you don’t like the jokes then just pass them by.

  81. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    So what are they after?
    Is their operation going tits up?
    Celebrating your birthday?

    Technical and operational advice.

    Charge them. Ten dollars a minute is a minimum rate for technical consultancy rates.

  82. m0nty Avatar
    m0nty

    Basically they have to be MAGA

    That might work in America – albeit it worked only once in 2016 with an inside straight draw and has not worked in countless elections since.

    It will not work in Australia. We don’t have natural gerrymanders favouring reactionary rural politics. Our Supreme Court has not been politicised. We don’t have widespread veto points or the filibuster. Our system, for better or worse, forces parties toward the centre.

    You lot are the losers of history, and Dutton siding with you will make him an eternal loser too.

  83. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Job recently advertised:

    Requirements:
    Bachelor’s or Master’s degree in Computer Science, Information Technology or related field.
    Adaptable in a adhoc, unstructured, chaotic environment with little to no supervision
    Ability to self learn instead of being taught
    An ethical, environmental or a slow fashion awareness is a bonus.

    Get woke, go broke? Jobseekers, even woke ones, are probably best to avoid this company.

  84. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    “Liberal Party president Greg Mirabella says the party is being crippled by a major brand problem that has made it unelectable.”

    What a clueless nincompoop.

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  85. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    People who oppose the Voice are mostly dumbarses who don’t have a stake in the future and want to burn it all down

    These people don’t want to pay the ‘InVoice’. Maybe you do.

  86. m0nty Avatar
    m0nty

    A 65-year old has more ‘skin in the game’ than a 20- year old as they’ve contributed far more to their community, of which the latter is still a net beneficiary.

    A 65yo retiree has cashed out their chips. They are no longer in the game.

    As to whether they should pay taxes… hmm, an interesting proposition. A tax benefit for losing the right to vote. How much would it cost? I would like to subscribe to this newsletter.

  87. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Ukraine supporters are apparently totally comfortable considering a popular blogger who is vocally supportive of one side in a war to be a “legitimate target” for terrorist-style assassination.

    So far I’ve seen nothing to say who exactly did the bombing, other than the woman who handed the statue over.

    The sophistication of the assassination is up there with the likes of Litvinenko. To produce a working bomb in a statue of the guy himself is very sophisticated. At the same time the Ukies have quite a lot more on their plate than random Russian bloggers. I don’t know who did this, but it is like a spy novel. There’s something about the whole thing which reeks.

  88. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    These people don’t want to pay the ‘InVoice’. Maybe you do.

    The agenda has been in place since 1975.

    “Voice- Treaty – Truth-telling.”

    For “Truth – telling” read “Stories my Nanna told me.”

  89. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Robert Sewellsays:
    April 5, 2023 at 4:07 pm
    Steve Trickler:

    Just a few days prior to my surgery I was asked was I willing to to accept a donor blood transfusion if things went awry. I said yes but placed a strict caveat on it.

    Why didn’t you give a Liter of your own blood pre surgery? Obviously there was the opportunity to do so.

    I thought about that…afterwards. It’s probably a good idea to do so as insurance for the future. I’ll ask the hospital about it when I go in next month. They want to have a look and see as to how well it has healed. ATM it is looking great and the skin graft area from my thigh is barely noticeable….a slightly pinkish square about the size of 4 postage stamps.

    I lost more skin when I used to skateboard in my 30’s. But yeah, your are right and I should have done so. Admittingly, the Doc said the nature of the surgery was very low risk in needing blood or it going a cropper. The basal-cell carcinoma was not in the shoulder muscle tissue below it and the procedure was straight forward.

    I’ll say one thing: The surgeon was a jet and all the staff were brilliant. Getting put under was interesting. 20 deep inhales of oxygen and then the words “we are going to introduce the anesthetic now Steve and it was lights out in under 10 seconds.

    Then you wake up in recovery like nothing had happened.

  90. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Sancho Panzer:

    Does the Red Cross segregate the blood of the vaxxed and unvaxxed?

    This question has been answered before – if you are asking about pooling of blood physically, then the answer is blood is no longer pooled for whole blood and packed cell transfusion. The practise of blood pooling when the donor was an ardent homosexual who lied on their donation form, led to nearly all of Australia’s haemophiliacs dying from AIDS tainted blood Factor VIII.(?)
    I understand the fact of vaccine infused donation can be worked out by tracing the donation and patient trail, but no effort has been made to mark the infused blood so the nurse/anaesthetist administering the infusion can know its status.

    What if they’d said sign the form as is or no operation?

    The patient can tell them to piss off, and it’s up to them to deal with it. The patient can -under the circumstances described by Tickler above – go to another doc/hospital. (In practical terms that can be a problem.)
    If you have already noted on your medical records that you will not accept, and do not give permission for blood products or vaccines to be given, then you should be pretty safe, which is why I recommend autologous blood donation beforehand.
    The link is to a government site so treat it with the same scepticism the lying bastards deserve.

  91. Rockdoctor Avatar
    Rockdoctor

    What’s this BS CBA is after confirming my details? I thought it was a phishing scam but websites seem to check out.

    At the moment I am not going to comply flat out. Attorney Generals Page has nothing about supplying details periodically.

    Anyone else get this from their bank?

  92. Robert Sewell Avatar

    rickw:

    Technical and operational advice.

    Bwahahaha!
    Tell’em you’ll provide it as a consultant*, and with the dismissal of a couple of the bastards who shat on you.
    *you will, of course, decide the remuneration rate, etc.

  93. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    A 65yo retiree has cashed out their chips. They are no longer in the game.

    As to whether they should pay taxes… hmm, an interesting proposition. A tax benefit for losing the right to vote. How much would it cost? I would like to subscribe to this newsletter.

    You farking Dick Head. Ever heard of the GST and all of the other other Surcharges and Levies? Maybe not as you MontyPox Virus have NFI. Get back under that rock. Tosser.

    No longer in the game? You were never in the game. The only game you know is playing with your willy and getting your rocks off.

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  94. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    Dutton’s No is a political wedge that’s already working.
    The stridency that The Voice proponents put forward merely underlines the inflexibility and ideology that they will bring to any role in “advising” the elected government of the day.
    The ABC defence is some wishy washy call to honour the mystical Uluru Statement from the Heart, as if it’s a religious text akin to the Koran.
    Slimy inner city Libs are already exposing themselves as disloyal and venal in all matters that concern the serious issue of permanent constitutional change, and instead cry foul and run off the field sniping at the coach.

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  95. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    You won’t live past 60, fatboy.

    Define ‘live’.

    Existing in a house someone else paid (or is paying) for, and surfboarding your way through life on the income and assets of others isn’t really living.

    Not if you want to look at yourself in the mirror, that is.

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