Open Thread – Weekend 20 May 2023


Bedtime, Samuel Joseph Clark, 1881

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Miltonf
Miltonf
May 21, 2023 5:41 pm

Rockdoctor found your comments about a new state in nth Qld very interesting. They were actually talking about when I first visited there in 1977 when I was 14! Probably a good idea. Didn’t realize Townsville was so rotten but always preferred Cairns anyway. It’s a great part of the country and I’m looking forward to visiting again this year. Maybe a few more decent (patriotic jobs n growth in other words) senators might bring canbra under control.

JC
JC
May 21, 2023 5:41 pm

Black Ball says:
May 21, 2023 at 5:21 pm

My theory, and a very good one. ?

And it makes more sense than any of Ed’s musings.

LOL.

calli
calli
May 21, 2023 5:42 pm

I’ve been to China, Joh. Even in tourist Disneyland there, an acute observer can see the cracks.

Sydney’s Chinatown was always a pleasant experience for my family – we’d go there for Yum Cha with the children and they loved it. None of us thought we were having a “Chinese” experience though, just a Sydney one.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 21, 2023 5:46 pm

No more Katters though.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 5:46 pm

calli – “You do” has been an eternal earworm since 2016 – the string section introduction in particular.

Glittering Prize is just magnifique. I still remember the first time I ever heard it, which was back in 1982, its structure is unparalleled. Kerr is holding back in his delivery, which just makes it even better.

As for Sugar Hiccup – the first time I ever heard it (1983?) I thought it was the Pretenders playing live. But then I had just inhaled the contents of some serious Buddha sticks.

Honourable mention: “I’d like to get to know you

Ah, I wish she would … 😕

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 21, 2023 5:47 pm

Radio Show theme suggestion- genre bendres.
RUN DMC and Aerosmith, Cash goes horny Mariachi style, Metallica do a road song.
apropos of not much, one of the most affecting songs I’ve heard in a long time, with scruffy soul survivor Doyle Bramhall II getting regretful with Shankar’s girl Norah Jones, Searching For Love. Bramhall’s geetar is kinda Clapton packing foam, but the more I listen to Norah and her piana in the back seat, the more I love her. Vocal lines swing and sweep up and down like speech on the verge of sleep, tinkling away with rolled notes- hear her last “I’m going out on my own”, just magisterial. Turn it up with headphones, on the vinyl you can hear her asking for one more take- hairs on the back of the neck stuff.

JMH
JMH
May 21, 2023 5:47 pm

A man tries to get his newborn daughter to latch on to his nipple

If this elicits rage & disgust in you, you’re a normal human being with a healthy sense of right from wrong

Its our duty to call out child abuse. Every single time #OnlyMothersBreastfeed

Oh FFS! I can’t express the words. This crap has to stop. How we do it, I do not know but it must be stopped. Yes. I am enraged and disgusted. I’m now awaiting the sounds of helicopters.

MatrixTransform
May 21, 2023 5:52 pm

for JC.

Robert Rodriguez

10 minute cooking school: Puerco Pibil

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 21, 2023 5:54 pm

“nominate your three favourite songs of all time.”

Arrgh, I can’t do that. My brain is now a combat zone between Sky, Tori Amos, Mike Oldfield, Veruca Salt and Led Zeppelin. Also the Stones, Beatles, Tull, Gorillaz and about a dozen others.

But, since it is an auspicious anniversary I will link this one:

Tubular Bells (25 May 1973)

I can’t believe it’s been fifty years.

johanna
johanna
May 21, 2023 5:55 pm

Rabz, those suffering from a broken heart (I’ve been there) do tend to a certain kind of music.

But I’m thinking Scottish bands and artists are worth a go. Everyone from Billy Connolly to Annie Lennox.

The northern rangas do produce some decent music.

calli
calli
May 21, 2023 5:59 pm

Sure do. My favourite Eurythmics.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 21, 2023 6:01 pm

I have to wait more two years for the fiftieth anniversary of this one:

Jeff Wayne – War Of The Worlds (1975)

These days Martians would take one look at us and go away in disgust.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 6:03 pm

Johnny and June – Jackson

The latter – she is just magnifique – the cinched waist, the twin torpedoes and the little asides throughout the song – fabulous.

As for John, how seriously cool is he?

“Well, I was going to take her down to see Carl Perkins in Jackson”

As one might do. 🙂

calli
calli
May 21, 2023 6:05 pm

Uh oh. Joh mentioned northern rangas.

Here’s an earworm gift.

*runs*

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
May 21, 2023 6:06 pm

The indigenes waving gum tree leaves around before the Collingwood/ Carlton game were met with tepid applause, which I noticed was turned up on the radio I was listening too.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 6:09 pm

Economists are like witchdoctors for the modern capitalist economy

Gee, thanks, Bear. Talk about damning with faint praise. 😕

Indolent
Indolent
May 21, 2023 6:11 pm

Geoff Hugh’s
@jclarke713

So here’s the REAL story:

Ambassador Stevens was sent to Benghazi to secretly retrieve US made Stinger Missiles that the State Dept had supplied to Ansar al Sharia in Libya WITHOUT Congressional oversight or permission.

Sec State Hillary Clinton had brokered the Libya deal through Ambassador Stevens and a Private Arms Dealer named Marc Turi, but some of the shoulder fired Stinger Missiles ended up in Afghanistan where they were used against our own military. On July 25th, 2012, a US Chinook helicopter was downed by one of them. Not destroyed only because the idiot Taliban didn’t arm the missile. The helicopter didn’t explode, but it had to land and an ordnance team recovered the missile’s serial number which led back to a cache of Stinger Missiles kept in
Qatar by the CIA.

Obama and Hillary were in full panic mode, so Ambassador Stevens was sent to Benghazi to retrieve the rest of the Stinger Missiles. This was a “do-or-die” mission, which explains the Stand Down Orders given to multiple rescue teams during the siege of the US Embassy.

It was the State Dept, NOT the CIA, that supplied the Stinger Missiles to our sworn enemies because Gen. Petraeus at CIA would not approve supplying the deadly missiles due to their potential use against commercial aircraft. So then, Obama threw Gen. Petraeus under the bus when he refused to testify in support of Obama’s phony claim of a “spontaneous uprising caused by a YouTube video that insulted Muslims.”
Obama and Hillary committed TREASON!

THIS is what the investigation is all about, WHY she had a Private Server, (in order to delete the digital evidence), and WHY Obama, two weeks after the attack, told the UN that the attack was the result of the YouTube video, even though everyone KNEW it was not.

Furthermore, the Taliban knew that the administration had aided and abetted the enemy WITHOUT Congressional oversight or permission, so they began pressuring (blackmailing) the Obama Administration to release five Taliban generals being held at Guantanamo.

Bowe Bergdahl was just a useful pawn used to cover the release of the Taliban generals. Everyone knew Bergdahl was a traitor but Obama used Bergdahl’s exchange for the five Taliban generals to cover that Obama was being coerced by the Taliban about the unauthorized Stinger Missile deal.

So we have a traitor as POTUS that is not only corrupt, but compromised, as well and a Sec of State that is a serial liar, who perjured herself multiple times at the Congressional Hearings on Benghazi. Perhaps this is why no military aircraft were called upon for help in Benghazi: because the administration knew that our enemies had Stinger Missiles that, if used to down those planes, would likely be traced back to the CIA cache in Qatar and then to the State Dept’s illegitimate arms deal in Libya.

Forward this again and again and again until everyone reads the true story of Benghazi.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 21, 2023 6:13 pm

Aaargh, how could I forget Pink Floyd, B52s, Talking Heads or Dire Straits?

Telegraph Road (1982)

No way I can do three. Three hundred maybe.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 21, 2023 6:14 pm

Rabz, put those chicken bones to good use. I still make the odd voodoo doll to keep my hand in. You never know when it might come in handy.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 6:14 pm

But I’m thinking Scottish bands and artists are worth a go

err, Joh – Simple Minds and the Cocteau Twins are Scottish

Rabz
May 21, 2023 6:19 pm

Cats, poor li’l ol’ Eddles has copped another almighty pasting this weekend on the Cat.

Which means everything is as it should be. 🙂

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 21, 2023 6:22 pm

Do they have a Nursing Home for Collingwood supporters
with dementia?
Yeah, I know, how could you tell which ones were demented?
Seriously, though- would the Dial on a Taser go high enough to elicit a reaction?
And would they keep asking for more?

Muddy
Muddy
May 21, 2023 6:23 pm

“nominate your three favourite songs of all time.”

‘Sweet Child o’ Mine’ – Gunners.
‘Mayonnaise’ – Pumpkins.

Hmmm… I’ll have to mull things over for the third one.

Razey
Razey
May 21, 2023 6:27 pm
johanna
johanna
May 21, 2023 6:27 pm

calli says:
May 21, 2023 at 6:05 pm

Uh oh. Joh mentioned northern rangas.

Here’s an earworm gift.

*runs*

The Proclaimers was a great movie, but all those ugly blokes …

Rabz
May 21, 2023 6:28 pm

The “Rent a Riffers“, covering a Ray Davies’ classic. Chrissie was Ray’s squeeze for many years before she dumped him for Jimmy Kerr of Simple Minds.

In the meantime, 50% of her band drugged themselves an early grave.

Muddy
Muddy
May 21, 2023 6:30 pm

Indolent says:
May 21, 2023 at 6:11 pm

Ambassador Stevens was sent to Benghazi to secretly retrieve US made Stinger Missiles that the State Dept had supplied to Ansar al Sharia in Libya WITHOUT Congressional oversight or permission.

(1). If the existence of the ordnance was still secret, then why … & why be worried about Congressional permission?
(2). Why send an ambassador?
(3). Ummmm….. hmmmm… dunno.

As much as I despise the principal political actors mentioned, this seems, well …

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 21, 2023 6:32 pm

The notion the government might support or even encourage “normative” families as a building block of civilisation is “so offensive… so wrong” says Matt Hancock, the former Conservative government minister who was the chief cheerleader of Britain’s coronavirus lockdowns.Traditional Family Life a ‘Completely Fringe View Within the Conservative Party’, Asserts Covid Lockdown King. Another PPE prick.

JMH
JMH
May 21, 2023 6:33 pm

Jeff Wayne – War Of The Worlds (1975)

I have the album. It’s one of my favourites.

johanna
johanna
May 21, 2023 6:33 pm

P says:
May 21, 2023 at 6:21 pm

Astrud Gilberto and Stan Getz – The Girl From Ipanema (1964) LIVE

Sensational. Just wow.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 21, 2023 6:34 pm

Mining companies launch ad blitz selling record $63bn paid in taxes and royalties

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By Geoff Chambers
Chief Political Correspondent
@Chambersgc
5:58PM May 21, 2023
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Mining companies are bankrolling a national advertising campaign that links a record $63bn in taxes and royalties paid by miners with government funding for hospitals, schools, public transport, clean energy and infrastructure projects.

Ahead of the Albanese government’s second round of industrial relations reforms, shake-up of environmental approvals and tougher rules to stop companies “greenwashing”, miners will launch an advertising blitz tagged “Australia does well when Australian minerals do well”.

The Minerals Council of Australia, whose members include BHP, Rio Tinto, Glencore and Whitehaven, will also release the latest EY royalty and company tax payments report showing the mining sector now pays one-third of all company tax paid here.
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MCA chief executive Tania Constable said the $63bn in taxes and royalties paid to governments in 2021-22 – an increase of $21bn on the previous year – was the “equivalent of paying for the entire Medicare scheme or the childcare subsidy for two years”.

With a large proportion of the Albanese government’s revenue windfall linked with soaring commodity prices, helping Jim Chalmers bank the nation’s first surplus in 15 years, Ms Constable said “the minerals industry is clearly paying its fair share of tax”.

The EY report says the mining industry contributed $39bn in company tax and $24bn in royalties. “Minerals have helped propel our economy forward, boosted economic opportunity and freedom, and enabled the governments to invest in the things that really matter: families, communities and vital services like hospitals, schools, childcare, aged care and infrastructure,” Ms Constable said.

Since last year’s federal election, the MCA and some of its member companies have beefed up their campaigns and strategic teams. Former Nationals federal director Jonathan Hawkes was drafted in to a new role to lead the MCA’s campaign machine.

With resources companies spooked by last year’s energy market intervention, coal and gas price caps and $2.4bn hike in petroleum resource rent taxes, the MCA is seeking positive public sentiment ahead of looming ­battles with the government.

The MCA famously ran the anti-mining tax campaign that contributed to Kevin Rudd’s ­demise.

In Western Australia and Queensland, booming iron ore and coal royalties have helped Labor state governments deliver bumper budget surpluses.

Ms Constable said over the decade, mining companies had “contributed 21 per cent of Australia’s GDP growth (and) $295bn in company tax and in royalties underpinning Australian government revenue year in, year out”.

“The record tax and royalty payments come off the back of $389bn of capital investments the industry made since the start of the mining boom,” she said.

“Australia’s vulnerability to competition for this investment from resources-rich economies … will only grow as they seek to seize the opportunity to supply the minerals and metals needed (for) global net zero emissions.

“Investment should be placed at the centre of government’s policy­making to attract a significant proportion of this investment that will create tens of thousands of new regional jobs and business growth.”

Ms Constable said “workplace relations, tax, environment, climate change and energy policies that impose unexpected costs on the mining industry threaten the capital investment that underpins its contribution to the economy and global efforts to decarbonise”.

Strong commodity prices and volumes produced have driven the surge in company taxes, which are levied on profits.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 21, 2023 6:35 pm

Eleanor Rigby.

Quite a wide selection below that at #2.

Sympathy for the Devil
Behind Blue Eyes
Immigrant Song
Walkin’ Man
St James’ Infirmary (Hugh Laurie version)

Robert Sewell
May 21, 2023 6:40 pm

Muddy:

(1). If the existence of the ordnance was still secret, then why … & why be worried about Congressional permission?

Because the secret was going to come out.

(2). Why send an ambassador?

Because the Ambassador was cover for a moderately and disposable, high level functionary travelling as a Marine guard.
Remember that the undetonated missile had already been traced back to Benghazi.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 6:40 pm

Number five in my top ten:

It’s a thin line

Chrissie, like Keef, is indestructible. Two of my favourite R ‘n’ R heroes. 🙂

WolfmanOz
May 21, 2023 6:42 pm

Rabz says:
May 21, 2023 at 5:22 pm
I’m getting a feel for the next monthly extravaganza. Blur, James, Smiths, Bomb The Bass.
BoN – various radio shows have already tilled this very fertile ground.

June’s radio show may just be the last. It has been going since December ’21.

Noooooooo ! ! !

Keep it going Rabz . . . it’s always one of my go to posts on a Saturday night.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 21, 2023 6:45 pm

As much as I despise the principal political actors mentioned, this seems, well …

Like a load of shit dreamt up by someone in his caravan, and with the assistance of post-it notes and lengths of wool.

When the little magnets Government operatives put under the sink weren’t disrupting his thought processes, that is.

johanna
johanna
May 21, 2023 6:54 pm

Interesting that both The Cure and The Pretenders are really just one person with a revolving cast of players, and it has worked.

So much for romance. You would have to be as hard as a New York city real estate agent to run your band like that.

Not wanting to get dover into trouble, I merely refer to the history of these bands, where members who died young were replaced one by one in one case. In the other, some did and some didn’t.

We discuss the attributes of artists – usually negatively – quite often.

The paradox is that they live at the cutting edge of competition – and it is ruthless.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 7:00 pm

Thanks, Wolfie – the radio shows have been an indulgence. Cats that know me personally are aware of how much I love contemporary music.

I wanted to carry on Perfesser Davidson’s legacy, given he was gracious enough to post five of my somewhat indulgent Economics related screeds.

I’ve managed the grand total of one since Dover established this esteemed blogue. Although some of the content of that post was directly quoted by “Hi” Alan Jones on his last show on Sky before he was ignominiously punted.

Writing about economics is a difficult endeavour.

Writing about my favourite subject, which is contemporary music, is not.

So no prizes for guessing which topics won out … 😕

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 21, 2023 7:02 pm

So much for romance.

Hard to be romantic in a wardrobe.

The Cure – Close To Me (1985)

Rabz
May 21, 2023 7:06 pm

they live at the cutting edge of competition – and it is ruthless

All while espousing collectivist politics

Joh – Robert Smith had a handy sideline for many years as a guitarist in the Banshees, Siouxsie Sioux‘s backing band.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 21, 2023 7:09 pm

While Twiggy and Gina are scouring Australia like Godzillas you might feel the returns to other Australians are a bit out of whack. Yes, the past couple of decades are a bit over trend and both took considerable risk to develop the respective assets. That is not to say others would not have done so on different terms.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 21, 2023 7:19 pm

Flyingfox
1 hour ago
(Edited)
Yes of course Australia does well when the miners do well – now tell us Albo and your predecessors in Govt “WHERE DOES ALL THE MONEY GO?”
Let me tell you my fellow Australians – it goes in frivolous climate change posturing, woke policy and social security entitlements, a bloated public service and a Voice Referendum that serves only to divide us not unite us!
How about some common sense in Govt spending, perhaps a 10 year plan to add national value and build some defence capability instead of squandering it on virtue signalling stupidity?

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
May 21, 2023 7:20 pm

nominate your three favourite songs of all time.

Oh that’s easy,
3. Bin… aaaah! Nearly got me! Oldest account personal security question harvesting trick in the book. Nice try.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 21, 2023 7:25 pm

In more Strategic Bombing news:

ABC boss apologises to Stan Grant after host left Q+A over racist abuse

Grant said on Friday he was standing down as host of Q+A after receiving “grotesque racist abuse” that escalated after he spoke on the ABC about the impact of colonialism ahead of the coronation of King Charles.

“Stan Grant has stated that he has not felt publicly supported,” Anderson said.

“For this, I apologise to Stan. The ABC endeavours to support its staff in the unfortunate moments when there is external abuse directed at them.”

By Gay Grampians?
No, apparently not…

“The ABC is never above scrutiny or criticism,” he said. “However, the nature of the anti-ABC reporting from some commercial media outlets is sustained and vitriolic. This has real-world consequences for ABC presenters and journalists who are personally attacked and vilified.”

Q+A host Stan Grant standing down from ABC show after racist abuse
Media monitoring data found that there were more than 150 mentions of the ABC’s coronation coverage by the Australian and Sky News in the two weeks since the broadcast.

Anderson said he was “dismayed” that Grant had been exposed to such “sickening behaviour”.

“The experiences of ABC presenter and commentator Stan Grant following our coverage of the Coronation of King Charles III have been distressing and confronting for the ABC, as they should be for the entire media industry and the broader community.

Translation: Lockstep on Yes – or else…

Rabz
May 21, 2023 7:29 pm

Cats, as with Eddles, it’s very easy to lay into Bozo and Sludge, yet here they are, lifting our hearts.

So we blundered into Harlem …”

“It sounded like” 🙂

mem
mem
May 21, 2023 7:31 pm

Ms Constable said “workplace relations, tax, environment, climate change and energy policies that impose unexpected costs on the mining industry threaten the capital investment that underpins its contribution to the economy and global efforts to decarbonise”.

In other words back off Albo or you will kill the golden goose! As for the climate change and decarbonisation grift industries put them on the back burner if you want to run any sort of a budget.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 21, 2023 7:33 pm

Just fuk off ABC- what an obscene organization with the “stars’” secret salaries. Toxic parasitic organizations like the ABC make you realize that taxation is theft- demanding money with menaces.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 21, 2023 7:36 pm

sTan has darkened Snowcone’s legacy.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 21, 2023 7:39 pm

“The ABC is never above scrutiny or criticism,” he said.

In which universe?

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 21, 2023 7:43 pm

Arguing about shifting the mining goalposts makes more sense to oil and gas where projects take decades to reach production. Iron ore mining wasn’t always the path to riches it seems to be at the moment. Before China was on the scene price negotiations consisted of flying to Tokyo and being told what the haircut was for the coming year.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 7:46 pm

“The ALPBC is above scrutiny or criticism,” the Turnbuckle stated.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 21, 2023 7:49 pm

I thought the ABC should be apologizing to Australians for its coverage of the Chilla coronation. As much as I dislike the current Windsors, I find I dislike the sneering, highly paid ‘republican’ establishment here even more noisome.

Bruce in WA
May 21, 2023 7:52 pm

My current ear worm. From The Hobbit … and yes, it IS just one man.

Delta A
Delta A
May 21, 2023 7:55 pm

None of us thought we were having a “Chinese” experience though, just a Sydney one.

Our China experience, in China, included the locals laughing fit to burst at the sight of my 6’4″, white-haired brother, walking along the streets, grinning amiably as youngsters raced to walk beside him. And for further entertainment, his orange/red haired partner drew a crowd of open-mouthed women.

Best Man and I barely rated a sideways glance after that.

calli
calli
May 21, 2023 7:57 pm

And this one Rabz. The guitar solo gets me every time.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 7:59 pm

The only true Gladys, just belting it out … 🙂

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 21, 2023 8:05 pm

Dianne Feinstein is in a fair bit of trouble, suffering from Encephalitis, Shingles, Facial paralysis, plus she’d 90 in a month.
She’s retiring at the ’24 election, but …

Rabz
May 21, 2023 8:07 pm

calli – you’re another fan of those unfashionable Irish indivegetables …

Cassie of Sydney
May 21, 2023 8:07 pm

“Stan Grant has stated that he has not felt publicly supported,” Anderson said.

“For this, I apologise to Stan. The ABC endeavours to support its staff in the unfortunate moments when there is external abuse directed at them.”

“The ABC is never above scrutiny or criticism,” he said. “However, the nature of the anti-ABC reporting from some commercial media outlets is sustained and vitriolic. This has real-world consequences for ABC presenters and journalists who are personally attacked and vilified.””

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry reading this. I don’t need to remind anyone here that the late Cardinal George Pell never received an apology from David Anderson or anyone else at the ABC for the years of abuse and sustained vicious and vitriolic smears, attacks and outright lies thrown at him, to the point where he was sent to prison for 13 months, and even after a decisive 7-0 HC verdict, Mr Anderson’s ABC never bothered to apologise to Pell. So, here’s a message to Mr Anderson, his concern for Grant is touching but I don’t think Grant’s real-world consequences will ever be a match for the consequences the late George Pell experienced at the hands of Mr Anderson’s scurrilous journalists. And what were those consequences? George Pell, an innocent man, went to prison for a crime he did not commit.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 8:10 pm

Encephalitis, Shingles, Facial paralysis, 90 years old
She’s retiring at the ’24 election, but …

You just long to be her …

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 21, 2023 8:12 pm

Scottish music eh?
WA girl, but the choon is about Pittenweem in Fife.

rosie
rosie
May 21, 2023 8:13 pm

Apparently any criticism of Grant is racism.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 8:19 pm
Rabz
May 21, 2023 8:23 pm
Rabz
May 21, 2023 8:24 pm

Eddles – enough!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 21, 2023 8:33 pm

Compelled to wear tracksuit pants outside.

Not furry ones, thin ones, but still. Maybe all the sovereign citizens were right, and the Ice Age will be here next year.

As Eddie Murphy said in Shrek, this is redonkulous.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 21, 2023 8:37 pm

George Pell, an innocent man, went to prison for a crime he did not commit.

Ahem.

Could not have committed.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 21, 2023 8:38 pm

Rabzsays:
May 21, 2023 at 6:19 pm
Cats, poor li’l ol’ Eddles has copped another almighty pasting this weekend on the Cat.

Which means everything is as it should be. ?

Is he grossly ignorant, or terminally stupid, or just a low quality troll?

Or has he hit the trifecta?

Cassie of Sydney
May 21, 2023 8:39 pm

“Could not have committed.”

Indeed.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 21, 2023 8:40 pm

Random YT algorithms, or a rogue AI, threw this fine little SF short fillum up on the side bar.

Desert Terror – WWII Sci-fi short film (2022)

A SAS patrol in North Africa in 1942 encounters something…unusual. The Piat was awesome, if not very accurate. Thirty minutes of good entertainment, the last bit is an excellent what if? El Alamein might’ve turned out differently.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 21, 2023 8:44 pm

Classics.

David Gilmour was the one that persisted with her in stumping up the cash to get her recorded with a decent producer.

To paraphrase Gilmour, the music industry was full of c-bombs.

Kate Bush /David Gilmour – ” Running Up That Hill “

Rabz
May 21, 2023 8:46 pm

Compelled to wear tracksuit pants

I possess two pairs of tracksuit pants, both of which are still experiencing extensive wearage and have been since the advent of bat ‘flu. They are of the three stripes.

Navy Blue and Bayern Rot. I derive a particular perverse pleasure wearing them while paired with a business shirt during f*#cking online meetings, Cats.

#thebanalityofmodernlife

Rabz
May 21, 2023 8:48 pm

Scottish personages, going epic (again) …

Rabz
May 21, 2023 8:52 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 21, 2023 8:54 pm
Rabz
May 21, 2023 8:57 pm

Thanks Ticklers, another one in my top ten:

Kate Bush – Love and Anger, featuring Dave Gilmour …

Entropy
Entropy
May 21, 2023 8:57 pm

If I was to set up a new state in NQ (stuff it, how about it succeeds, we need to lose the EPBC Act and all that UN Heritage/RAMSAR crap nobody except Australia takes seriously) the boundary would be the Tropic of Capricorn. A clear important boundary. It also just happens to include most of the coking coal mines. It might cause problems in Rockhampton and Longreach, it could just loop around them.
As for where the capital might be, I would choose Richmond as it would mean the Gulf and Mount Isa would become important. The hot dry climate also means the public service never gets too big.
We need the product of the mines to go to the gulf for export. Maybe an offshore port to solve the depth problem, connected with a long elevated rail line that deals with the gulf flooding issues and gets to the offshore port. Direct to Mount Isa via Cloncurry, one to Georgetown for the uranium (which is why Georgetown isn’t a good site for the capital, even though it would also help the gulf and the cape as well), otherwise I would have picked it. Another line from Julia creek down to the Galilee I would look at setting up some kind of littoral ship construction business near Pormpuraaw or Aurukun especially designed for the Gulf and beyond, eventually including new kinds of ore freighters but the hot business would be employing local people. At Weipa there would be bauxite and refining, fish farming, and a spaceport.
The Walsh/Mitchell and lower flinders catchments would be turned into irrigation using off river storage (well a dam on the Walsh). The Palmer river would be dammed to expand irrigation at Lakeland.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 21, 2023 8:58 pm

RN’s Patricia Karvelas set to front Q+A after Stan Grant’s shock exit

From the Oz.

Dot
Dot
May 21, 2023 9:00 pm

Interesting

The Last Celts in England – Cambrian Chronicles

In this video, we’re going to examine some stories telling us about the lives of the Celtic speakers in eastern England, from around the 4th century, when the Anglo-Saxons were first beginning to arrive, all the way to the 11th century, hundreds of years after the Anglo-Saxons first began to arrive.
The subject of a Celtic England is often controversial, and marked down by centuries of a total denial of the presence of Britons in England practically anytime after the 6th century. But today, we will examine plenty of evidence to counter that, from Britons in the Swamps of the Fens, to Welsh kings in the East (including a semi mythical King Alsi of Lincoln/Lindsey in the Anglo Norman Havelok the Dane), Celtic-named kings such as Cerdic and Caedwalla in the south (of the House Wessex), alongside Celtic Christians in the north . We will examine the troublesome Brythonic marauders that plagued eastern England in the 11th century, and the servile population from Wales that lived in Kent, Wessex, and 10th century Cambridgeshire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FHRTpEhaAs

Gutho
Gutho
May 21, 2023 9:04 pm

The Australian
Compromise on words to save the voice to parliament
r.
Chris Kenny Associate Editor (National Affairs)

Is this an admission that the voice referendum is fatally flawed

Rabz
May 21, 2023 9:06 pm

For Miss Personage:

This is Tim Schmuckley

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 21, 2023 9:06 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 21, 2023 9:08 pm

Kate Bush – Love and Anger

Haven’t heard that one for a long time. Thanks Rabz!
You could’ve thought Wuthering Heights would be a one hit wonder.
Not at all. Not by miles and miles. Amazing lady.

calli
calli
May 21, 2023 9:09 pm

The ABC…billion dollar crybullies.

You couldn’t make it up.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 21, 2023 9:10 pm

Rabzsays:
May 21, 2023 at 8:57 pm

Impossible to pick three favourite songs. Not even going to try.?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 21, 2023 9:12 pm

Is this an admission that the voice referendum is fatally flawed

B-b-b-but Aboriginal souls will be crushed, if the “Voice” referendum is defeated!

Cassie of Sydney
May 21, 2023 9:12 pm

“The ABC…billion dollar crybullies.”

Yep, and billion dollar hypocrites.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 21, 2023 9:13 pm

RN’s Patricia Karvelas set to front Q+A after Stan Grant’s shock exit
From the Oz.

The Media Watchdog will be wagging its tail. Frank Elly the nonpreferred lesbian.

Morsie
Morsie
May 21, 2023 9:15 pm

Artist called Todd Snyder has a track called Vinyl records where he name checks basically all the artists I enjoy.
Worth a listen.Everyonr from Tom Petty to Mojo Nixon

Rabz
May 21, 2023 9:17 pm

BTW Cats, this weekend I’ve been dragged into a very undignified contretemps (BIRM) about of all things, the colour of my Strat.

Me: “Cherry Red”
Wally Wanker Guitar Tacher*: “It could be any number of shades, I tells ya”
Me: “Candy Apple, FFS?”
Wally Wanker Guitar Tacher*: “This could be subject to further discussion and debate”
Me: “Sacré bleu …” 😕

*Of somebody else

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 21, 2023 9:20 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXrJVloID8k

Didn’t know Marianne Faithful had recorded this one!

Rabz
May 21, 2023 9:20 pm

Impossible to pick three favourite songs

You can do it, Ticklers. Be ruthless.

WolfmanOz
May 21, 2023 9:25 pm

My 3 favourite songs:

Simon & Garfunkel – Bridge Over Troubled Water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G-YQA_bsOU

The Animals – The House Of The Rising Sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-43lLKaqBQ

Harry Nilsson – Everybody’s Talkin’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55xQu9eIPIA

Muddy
Muddy
May 21, 2023 9:27 pm

Gutho says:
May 21, 2023 at 9:04 pm

The Australian
Compromise on words to save the voice to parliament

Are these the words that haven’t been announced yet?

The only ‘voice to parliament’ I wanna hear is SHUT THE FECK UP!

Dot
Dot
May 21, 2023 9:28 pm

Entropy says:
May 21, 2023 at 8:57 pm

If I was to set up a new state in NQ

We’d be better off splitting up into many States.

NQ, New England (excluding the Hunter) and Riverina (both sides of the Murray) are the three obvious examples.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 9:30 pm

Wolfie – noted. No 2 is pure perfection …

Muddy
Muddy
May 21, 2023 9:31 pm

We’d be better off splitting up into many States.

The State of Decay.
The State of Delirium.
The State of Irony.
…Tyranny, etc. etc.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 9:32 pm

JCsays:

May 21, 2023 at 4:07 pm

flyingduk says:
May 21, 2023 at 1:52 pm

Uh-huh.
But if we go to your original definition that doesn’t really cut it.

I will concede that, my point was that ‘fixing’ a broken person makes them more productive from then on (making my work, on net, productive), whereas constantly supporting an old/disabled person (with no productivity) does not…. if anything, it increases their consumption, by prolonging it.

Nothing new in that, Duk. We saw that crap coming out Stamford University back around the turn of the 19th -20th century with the Eugenics movement …

Well, possible sinister undertones there.
It certainly leads to devaluation of people on the basis of what they do, and who they do it for.
Is applying laughing gas to a footballer so a surgeon can “fix” his knee somehow more valuable than someone providing care to an elderly person?
The other point I was getting to about the “we make nafink” cult is the number who actually work in service industries themselves. They always seem to find a way of creating a link between their own career and “productive” activity, but everyone else in the service sector is a leaner.
Another interesting point to ponder.
Using the very tight definition of “productive”, are members of the ADF productive?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

RN’s Patricia Karvelas set to front Q+A after Stan Grant’s shock exit
From the Oz.

ROFL. You couldn’t make up stuff like that.

This is going to be like having Quentin Dempster compere the show – only without his deprecating sense of humour & convivial/ecumenical attitude toward panelist who are conservative.

Muddy
Muddy
May 21, 2023 9:32 pm

The State of Rebellion.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 9:35 pm

Well, outdoor sports are done until next weekend.
We now turn our attention to the indoor sport of Drumgold Baiting which resumes tomorrow at 10:00 am.
Jolly good fun, what?

Rabz
May 21, 2023 9:36 pm

Another of the greatest – for a Jane*:

Standin’ on a corner …
The radio does play …
Anyone whose ever had a heart

*Immaculate slim pale skinned brunettes

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
May 21, 2023 9:41 pm

Spot on re the ABC, Cassie @8.07.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 9:42 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 9:44 pm

Rabzsays:

May 21, 2023 at 7:46 pm

“The ALPBC is above scrutiny or criticism,” the Turnbuckle stated.

I’d forgotten the leather jacket trotted out solely for Queue And Eh? appearances.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
May 21, 2023 9:45 pm

The joke with Drumgold is that he wanted the inquiry that is now roasting him.

They would never be so silly in Yarragrad. The Stalinist political prosecution of Cardinal Pell cries out for a royal commission, but hell will freeze over before we get one.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 21, 2023 9:48 pm

Dotsays:
May 21, 2023 at 9:28 pm
Entropy says:
May 21, 2023 at 8:57 pm

If I was to set up a new state in NQ

We’d be better off splitting up into many States.

NQ, New England (excluding the Hunter) and Riverina (both sides of the Murray) are the three obvious examples.

You need six new states, so that all states can revert to the six senators minimum in the Constitution, and thus avoiding a big increase in the number of Reps seats. Add in SE NSW (excluding Wollongong, but including the ACT except for the Parliamentary Triangle, AWM and the Lodge), combine the NT and Kimberley into a state, and one more.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 21, 2023 9:50 pm

Dot

Maybe CQ?

Rabz
May 21, 2023 9:57 pm

Wonderful to hear Pol Dot communicating with us (not yet annihilated peasants) from his jungle hideout in Kampucheastan 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 9:58 pm

Old Leftysays:

May 21, 2023 at 9:45 pm

The joke with Drumgold is that he wanted the inquiry that is now roasting him.

And the moron specifically wanted “political interference” looked at.
Be careful what you wish for.
I also reckon we haven’t heard the last of his claim that the jury was 11-1 for a guilty verdict, without that being ever being reported by the foreman to the court.
There are two possibilities here (both very bad for Dumgold):-
1. He asserted something under oath at the enquiry which he couldn’t possibly know; or
2. Someone on the jury was communicating with him or his office.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 9:59 pm

I’d forgotten the leather jacket trotted out …

… at your peril, Squire.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 10:01 pm

Dotsays:
May 21, 2023 at 9:28 pm
Entropy says:
May 21, 2023 at 8:57 pm

If I was to set up a new state in NQ

We’d be better off splitting up into many States.

The Principality of Sancho has a certain ring to it.
I will, of course, immediately appoint myself Ambassador to Tuscany and rule in absentia.

Rabz
May 21, 2023 10:13 pm
Razey
Razey
May 21, 2023 10:25 pm

If I was to set up a new state in NQ

Keep dreaming. The petrol sniffers want us all to leave their land so they can go live in caves again.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
May 21, 2023 10:41 pm

ET landed north of Cairns?
Hope they have had their jabs. LOL.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 21, 2023 10:58 pm

Rabzsays:
May 21, 2023 at 9:20 pm
Impossible to pick three favourite songs

You can do it, Ticklers. Be ruthless.

I’d be lying to myself if I could do it so easily. This just popped into my head again … I’ll give it some thought overnight.

The friends of Mr Cairo Jon & Vangelis Movie tribute

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 11:11 pm

Next up at bat at the Britnah enquiry is Supt Moller, the author of the Moller Report.
It would appear that Janet Albrechtsen has a pretty good bead on what Supt Moller might say.
I do hope Dumgold puts his lack of self awareness on display again and protests about leaking to the media in the midst of a judicial enquiry.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
May 21, 2023 11:11 pm

We’d be better off splitting up into many States.
NQ, New England (excluding the Hunter) and Riverina (both sides of the Murray)

Need some job titles for the leaders.

Top `Nana
Beetroot Boss
Sheep Shaman

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 11:14 pm

Oh dear.
Shades of Sarah Sea-Patrol.
From the Oz …

The senior police officer who led the investigation of Brittany Higgins’s rape allegations has slammed Shane Drumgold for suggesting that police deliberately destroyed or deleted CCTV footage of Ms Higgins and Bruce Lehrmann, claiming the chief prosecutor had embarrassingly confused a Four Corners re-enactment with the real thing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 21, 2023 11:15 pm

Yep. It wouldn’t be a great look to have contact with a juror and not bring that to the attention of the presiding judge. After last weeks efforts you wouldn’t rule it out.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 21, 2023 11:17 pm

Good to see Four Corners get a guernsey.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 21, 2023 11:19 pm

It wouldn’t be an inquiry without it. Like a Sydney celebrity trial without Richo called as a witness.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 11:24 pm

H B Bearsays:

May 21, 2023 at 11:17 pm

Good to see Four Corners get a guernsey.

Speaking of dramatic re-enactments, I wouldn’t rule out “burnt hands on the exhaust pipe” in somebody’s future on this one.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 11:28 pm

H B Bearsays:

May 21, 2023 at 11:15 pm

Yep. It wouldn’t be a great look to have contact with a juror and not bring that to the attention of the presiding judge. After last weeks efforts you wouldn’t rule it out.

There are only two possibilities:-
1. A juror leaked to Dumgold and he didn’t put his hand up; or
2. He made shit up and presented it as fact under oath at a judicial enquiry.
The man is as dumb as a box of rocks. Even if a juror did leak that information and it was accurate, only a total dickhead would volunteer it to an enquiry without being asked.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 21, 2023 11:32 pm

Good to see someone still watches Four Corners. Ita will be pleased.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 21, 2023 11:38 pm

H B Bearsays:

May 21, 2023 at 11:32 pm

Good to see someone still watches Four Corners. Ita will be pleased.

Even more pleasing for Ita is that there appears to be at least one viewer in the country who confuses Three Corners with reality, even if that viewer is a fairly dim Canbra public servant.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
May 21, 2023 11:50 pm

Ita’s reputation seems to have waned somewhat since

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 21, 2023 11:54 pm

I’ll put my hand up and say I do not know the historical context in all this. I need to do some digging with this visual montage. All new to me.

POLONAISE (Bl.Jerzy Popie?uszko)- JON & VANGELIS (polski tekst)

My immediate thoughts is VicPol during C-19 lockdowns watching this.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
May 22, 2023 12:07 am

Just a soundcheck at the Melbourne Showgrounds

win
win
May 22, 2023 12:44 am

I turned off the ABC because of their coverage of the Coronation. Chillingly the ABC and what it represents is exactly what could be the Albanese hidden agenda for The Voice.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 22, 2023 1:09 am
Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 22, 2023 1:58 am

Chris Mitchell Oz article suggesting Fed ICAC look into the Higgins payment and role of Katy Gallagher. Honourable mention to Dretfusy.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 22, 2023 1:58 am

Dreyfus.

Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
May 22, 2023 4:15 am
duncanm
duncanm
May 22, 2023 4:22 am

cheers Tom

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 22, 2023 5:50 am

Hmm.

It would appear Mr Drumgold may be only a series of very small steps away from playing the ‘but muh mental elf’ card.

Guaranteed he’s spent the last couple of days working out if he has any other option.

I’m not sure there’s a book deal in it for him.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 22, 2023 6:08 am

Renowned flog Mark Robinson in The Hun, opining on the Awforn ‘racism scandal’:

On a weekend when Indigenous players and culture were celebrated in Sir Doug Nicholls Round, the affected families in the Hawks scandal are being treated by some as lying, faceless cowards chasing money and who have ruined the reputations of three decent and respected football men.

Because they are almost certainly lying;
Because they are definitely faceless, and therefore by definition cowards; and
Because they are chasing money.

Tell you what, Robinson. Let’s dredge up a perky young media chicky from 15 years ago who you might have had a beer with at a pub after work once.

You won’t know her name, because she will demand anonymity. You wouldn’t have remembered her even if you did. Now let’s have her make allegations of all sorts of depraved sexual bastardry. No evidence will be necessary, because she must be believed. She has also used the ‘media first’ approach.

Your reputation, such as it is, will be in ruins. You are also now unemployable.

See how this works?

Zipster
May 22, 2023 6:10 am
Cassie of Sydney
May 22, 2023 7:04 am

My conclusion is that Shane Drumgold is not a very bright person. This fact, combined with his obvious leftist politics, makes him very, very stupid indeed. But such a cocktail of stupidity and politics describes progressivism to a tee and normally I’d just laugh except for the fact that various lives, be it the lives of the late George Pell, Bruce Lehmann and others are permanently damaged and ruined by such grotesque and lethal cocktails. Drumgold, rather than coolly and rationally extrapolating Higgins’ claims, absurd or otherwise, instead allowed himself to be caught up in a political vortex around it because, and I have no doubts about this, he thought it would help to bring down the Morrison government, and so he willingly jumped on the bandwagon to pursue Lehmann, regardless of evidence, facts et al. Drumgold was right about the La Higgins operetta bringing down the Morrison government, and he should salute himself for his own participation, except Drumgold is clearly not a student of history, or of much else for that matter, and he either didn’t know or he conveniently forgot that whirlpools such as the Higgins one suck in and take down not only the intended target but also those pursuing the target. Whirlpools aren’t just dangerous, they’re hungry for corpses. Such was Drumgold’s ego that he called for this inquiry and it’s now gobbling him up. He obviously had never heard of that very wise “be careful what you wish for”.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
May 22, 2023 7:05 am

Sancho – it could also be that Drumgold or one of his crew fancied themselves as juror diviners in the vein of teevee’s ‘Bull’…

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 22, 2023 7:11 am

See how this works?
Nup, sounds like Woke/Cuck bullshit that you just extracted from your well fed derriere.
Aboriginal players are problematic, among the problems are alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, drug addiction and general madness.

Hawthorn won 9 Premierships with no Aboriginal Players, it was the AFL’s idea that all the clubs had to recruit Aborigines.
Ergo, it’s up to the AFL to take responsibility for how the Clubs manage their Aborigine issues.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 22, 2023 7:19 am

Drumgold was right about the La Higgins operetta bringing down the Morrison government,

Great that you agree with me on that.
So, the Policies and Personalities of the Morrison Government weren’t what brought it down after all?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 22, 2023 7:20 am

It has occurred to quite a few of us that the security team on duty at PH that night are not being examined for their immediate or post actions.
Drumgold’s whole case relies on the evidence that Higgins was as pissed as a parrot and could not consent to anything.
How the hell was she allowed into a ministerial office?
Higgins was cashed out and yet security faced no repercussions. Don’t tell me that it was not worth their jobs to refuse entry. She was only a political staffer and a very junior one at that.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 22, 2023 7:27 am

The Weekend Australian was attacking the Jury System again, suggesting that the public don’t understand Presumption Of Innocence and the Right to Silence and judge everyone as Guilty before the Trial even starts.

Cassie of Sydney
May 22, 2023 7:28 am

The troll is up and running!

sfw
sfw
May 22, 2023 7:30 am

Nelson_Kidd-Players, thanks for that Daddy Cool clip. That actual concert included a whole who of Aussie talent. All homegrown, started off in bands with mates and went on with it. If such an event was held today, it would be security to the max, probably a couple of stabbings and serious assaults in the audience. The music would be mainly electronic that resembled African tribal music and Rap rather than a genuine Aussie style.

We had the best of it, it’s all gone now.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 22, 2023 7:34 am

Don’t tell me that it was not worth their jobs to refuse entry. She was only a political staffer and a very junior one at that.
Bruce Lehrmann wasn’t a very junior staffer though, he was a very Senior Staffer with a huge sense of entitlement.
Anyway, the Inquiry is examining the Prosecution, not the events of that morning.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 22, 2023 7:44 am

A bloke from Tamworth was on Macca’s Sunday Morning program pointing out the huge renewable build in the New England area.
One area of a 50km radius is planned to get 600 wind turbines and six million solar panels.

johanna
johanna
May 22, 2023 7:46 am

How the hell was she allowed into a ministerial office?
Higgins was cashed out and yet security faced no repercussions. Don’t tell me that it was not worth their jobs to refuse entry. She was only a political staffer and a very junior one at that.

Sorry Gez, that’s not how it works.

The security staff are obliged to screen people only on the basis of whether or not they have a valid pass. They are not allowed to make on the spot judgements about whether the pass-holder is sober or slightly, moderately or leglessly pissed. Nor are they allowed to make judgement calls based on the seniority of the pass-holder. That is, assuming they even know exactly where in the pecking order that person sits, which they don’t for the hundreds of people who work there.

The reason they haven’t been called is because the one certain thing about that night is that they did their job – no more, no less.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 22, 2023 7:46 am

Referring to yourself in the Third Person now, Cassie of Sydney?
It wasn’t so long ago that you were denying the Higgins Affair had any bearing on the Election result.

Rafiki
Rafiki
May 22, 2023 7:52 am

Cassie fails to point to any evidence – her own feelings of no account here – that Drumgold aimed to bring down Morrison, and none that Higgins’s allegations, and how Gallagher et al weaponised them, was the dominant cause of the defeat of the LNP.
Cassie’s simplistic analysis diverts attention from a focus on how the political vortex that sucked in the hapless Drumgold was created, and to who’s purpose. Katy Gallagher’s role should be of central interest.

Cassie of Sydney
May 22, 2023 7:53 am

“It wasn’t so long ago that you were denying the Higgins Affair had any bearing on the Election result.”

Nup, not ever. Go back to bed.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 22, 2023 7:54 am

Johanna.
So we don’t have effective security at PH.
Presumably a well lubricated Lidia could get in and torch the place.
Not what the public would think amounts to security. Only in Canberra could the inmates decide the rules.

Cassie of Sydney
May 22, 2023 7:54 am

“Cassie’s simplistic analysis diverts attention “

Yes Rafiki, I remember your own “simplistic analysis” of the Pell case.

Cassie of Sydney
May 22, 2023 7:57 am

“that Drumgold aimed to bring down Morrison,”

So, why did he pursue the case?

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 22, 2023 8:00 am

“Cassie fails to point to any evidence – her own feelings of no account here – that Drumgold aimed to bring down Morrison, and none that Higgins’s allegations, and how Gallagher et al weaponised them, was the dominant cause of the defeat of the LNP.”
Yeah, but you’d have to be a complete dope to believe that the Coalition’s obvious lack of support for Higgins wasn’t central to the collapse in Female voter support for the Morrison Government.

Katy Gallagher’s role should be of central interest.

Okay, but her role, wasn’t intended to damage the Morrison Government?
Whaddya reckon Gallagher’s intentions might have been, then?

johanna
johanna
May 22, 2023 8:02 am

Gez, it’s not like other workplaces in a number of ways.

The reason is that as far as possible the elected representatives of the people need to be able to do their job with as few restrictions as possible. That is why they and their staff have unfettered access to the building, why there are no security cameras in MPs’ offices, why an MP can authorise absolutely anyone to come in and see them.

To allow the kind of gatekeeping routinely used in other workplaces could easily be weaponised – and don’t think that the Left wouldn’t do it.

shatterzzz
May 22, 2023 8:06 am

The reason they haven’t been called is because the one certain thing about that night is that they did their job – no more, no less.

Geez! ….. I’ve watched enuf TV legal/plod shows over the years to know that witnesses are called to suit the strategy of both the defence and prosecution sides of the argument …. “doing their job” is never a considered excuse when a TV legal eagle has the whip out ……..
It’s like saying ……… TV isn’t “real life” stuff …….!

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 22, 2023 8:07 am

So we don’t have effective security at PH.
Presumably a well lubricated Lidia could get in and torch the place.

Gimme a break.
It’s not a NiteClub
With your dopey system, Security could refuse entry to a couple of drunk MPs heading back for a vote and the Government could fall.
Even King Charles III and the Governor-General don’t have that sort of power.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 22, 2023 8:11 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:

May 22, 2023 at 7:04 am

My conclusion is that Shane Drumgold is not a very bright person.

Well, yes.
Exhibit A (from the Oz).

During this conversation, Superintendent Moller claims Mr Drumgold said: “I don’t have to prove sex occurred” because, according to Mr Drumgold, Ms Higgins’s state of undress, when she was found, corroborated that sex took place.

Under the law, Mr Dumgold, you most certainly do have to prove:-
.1 That sexual activity did take place; and
.2 It was not consensual.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 22, 2023 8:13 am

During this conversation, Superintendent Moller claims Mr Drumgold said: “I don’t have to prove sex occurred”

You know what Hearsay is, ol’ Sancho?

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 22, 2023 8:16 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:
May 22, 2023 at 7:28 am
The troll is up and running!

It’s a pity he can’t divert for a moment to provide the surrender terms that the Japanese were prepared to accept in 1943, when their occupation of conquered land was only slightly diminished from its peak. It would be interesting to read them.

Rafiki
Rafiki
May 22, 2023 8:20 am

Perhaps- probably I think – that what Drumgold meant was that from the fact that Higgins was undressed a jury would infer that sexual activity had taken place. Perhaps they did; who knows?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 22, 2023 8:22 am

On a weekend when Indigenous players and culture were celebrated in Sir Doug Nicholls Round,

How are these things ‘celebrated’? It is just virtue-badging and some bunting, and perhaps some humbug speeches people put up with while waiting for the game, surely.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 22, 2023 8:22 am

You know what Hearsay is, ol’ Sancho?

Yeah, I do.
It’s like when someone waits a year before telling the editor of Dolly magazine they didn’t wear panties and the editor of Dolly goes on TV and cries “Rape!” on their behalf.
In any case, good to see you colouring inside the lines. Nothing for me to report to Lehrmann’s solicitors today.

So far.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 22, 2023 8:25 am

Rafikisays:

May 22, 2023 at 8:20 am

Perhaps- probably I think – that what Drumgold meant was that from the fact that Higgins was undressed a jury would infer that sexual activity had taken place.

If you took 99 similar sets of facts to Dumgold, they would all go in the insufficient evidence bin.
“Infer”
Seems to be the word of the day with Dumgold, when his go to word should be “prove”.

shatterzzz
May 22, 2023 8:27 am

How are these things ‘celebrated’? It is just virtue-badging and some bunting, and perhaps some humbug speeches people put up with while waiting for the game, surely.

Reality is that once you’ve paid and gone thru the turnstile they have a”captive” audience and can bung on whatever rubbish they feel like .. short of wasting your money by leaving you just have to sit/stand thru the garbage .. like it or not …!

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 22, 2023 8:28 am

Rafikisays:
May 22, 2023 at 8:20 am
Perhaps- probably I think – that what Drumgold meant was that from the fact that Higgins was undressed a jury would infer that sexual activity had taken place. Perhaps they did; who knows?

Only two people, one of whom chose NOT to seek medical assistance that could have provided a definitive answer.

To misuse an unsympathetic phrase, “She made her bed, then tried not to lie in it”.

shatterzzz
May 22, 2023 8:29 am

If you took 99 similar sets of facts to Dumgold, they would all go in the insufficient evidence bin.
“Infer”

The whole case in a nutshell .. no evidence, no proof but a let’s go with the vibe prosecution .. after all she’s wimmenz and must be believed …….

bons
bons
May 22, 2023 8:29 am

Port Douglas. Staying in an acquaintence’s ‘golf course bungalow’- read bloody great mansion, fully equipped, rarely visited. Body corporate, golf club and management fees $107,000 pa which is less than half the school fees that they pay for their three kids in the Sydney termite nest.
Regardless of all the cynicism, it is a paradise, and we had forgotten that FNQ is stunning.
Vague romantic memories reminded us of the pleasure of sitting in the little park at the mouth of the bay watching the sunset, the tourist boats returning and the package tourist young folk snogging. Plus of course, fish and chips.
Acquired the f&c, set up the comfy chairs, and settled in to watch the clouds roll in and the rain pour down.
Just to prove that God can be a nasty fellow, a pretentious wedding was underway. The scenario involved the bride coming ashore from a catamaran to be greeted by the formally attired guests.
After she slipped twice on the gangplank, the boat pulled out and the beautiful people raced each other to the two picnic shelters to repair the running mascara.
No doubt being handed a lifetime of dinner party stories was of little consolation to the devastated bride.
There is a lot to be said for a dash to the Registry Office and a steak at the pub.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 22, 2023 8:30 am

“It’s like when someone waits a year before telling the editor of Dolly magazine they didn’t wear panties and the editor of Dolly goes on TV and cries “Rape!” on their behalf.”
Nah, that’s Libel, something you appear to be quite fond of.

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 22, 2023 8:30 am

Under the law, Mr Dumgold, you most certainly do have to prove:-

Unlike feckin’ Oirish Law.

rosie
rosie
May 22, 2023 8:34 am

Yes I fail to see how Drumgold is the primary in the political machinations, they had to start with Sharaz’s ‘dossier’ and his discussions with his special friend long before the the DPP got involved.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 22, 2023 8:36 am

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Brittany Higgins ‘had to do media as face of #MeToo movement’: Victims advocate told cop
ACT Victims of Crime Commisssioner Heidi Yates walks with Brittany Higgins during Bruce Lehrmann’s rape trial last October. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Gary Ramage
ACT Victims of Crime Commisssioner Heidi Yates walks with Brittany Higgins during Bruce Lehrmann’s rape trial last October. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Gary Ramage

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A senior police officer says when he asked that Brittany Higgins stop doing media that could prejudice Bruce Lehrmann’s rape trial, Victims of Crime Commissioner Heidi Yates told him: “She can’t, Scott – she is the face of the movement now.”

In a submission to the Sofronoff inquiry, Detective Superintendent Scott Moller says Ms Yates was “more interested in Ms Higgins pushing the ‘#metoo’ movement than being committed to the upcoming trial”.

“This upset me and I remember being mad that the Victims of Crime Commissioner was using the investigation as a voice for reform before the trial had even been conducted,” he says.
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Superintendent Moller compiled the investigative review document, informally called the Moller report, that has become a key focus of the Sofronoff inquiry, which is probing the conduct of chief prosecutor Shane Drumgold in withholding it from Mr Lehrmann’s defence team.

In his 50-page statement to the inquiry, Superintendent Moller says that when he created the Moller report, it was an internal decision-making document; it was “never my intention” for the document to go to the DPP for legal advice, as the DPP has claimed, he says.

Superintendent Moller, who has been a police officer for more than 30 years, is expected to give evidence to the inquiry on Monday. Led by Walter Sofronoff KC, the inquiry is also examining the conduct of police and Ms Yates, who became a highly visible presence during the trial, often seen accompanying Ms Higgins to court. Earlier in the case, Ms Higgins had asked for any contact by police to be made through Ms Yates, a move that Superintendent Moller says caused serious problems for investigators.

“I personally found her involvement frustrating and cumbersome, and she made it difficult for ACT Police to contact the victim,” he says.

Superintendent Moller says Ms Yates’ participation in the investigation was inappropriate and added additional stress and anxiety to the investigation team.

He felt Ms Yates was attempting to place a barrier between investigators and Ms Higgins.

Superintendent Moller says he could not understand why the head of the organisation was acting as “support person” to an alleged victim of a sexual assault.

“The VCC acting personally in a support/conduit role complicated the investigation and was always highly inappropriate,” he says.

“I felt one of the more upsetting aspects of her involvement was her lack of involvement in other sexual assault matters that were progressing through the courts at the same time.”

Superintendent Moller says there was “significant external and internal pressure” to erode the threshold for charging a person with a sexual offence, and to erode investigators’ “independent and objective search for the truth”.

“It appears to me this is in response to public discourse about the treatment of survivors in the criminal justice system,” he says.

As an example, he cites a recent ACT government report by the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Steering Committee that records one of its aims as “to ensure victims survivors know that when they disclose sexual violence they will be believed”.

“This is fundamentally at odds with the investigative function of police and the purpose of the criminal justice system (judiciary and juries),” Superintendent Moller says in his submission.

“We as police are the first ‘filter’ to ensuring the integrity of the criminal justice system. The judiciary and the community require and expect police to critically assess all available information and evidence in determining if the threshold to charge has been met.”

Superintendent Moller says he received reports that when DPP prosecutor Skye Jerome held training sessions for AFP officers, Ms Jerome “was dismissive and condescending of the investigators and that many of the investigators were offended by the way she had presented”.

“Additionally, I was informed she has stated that in sexual assault investigations, ‘an evidence-in-chief-interview and statement of complaint is sufficient to go ahead … because police are not the finder of facts’. These comments astounded me.”

rosie
rosie
May 22, 2023 8:38 am

There is a lot to be said for a dash to the Registry Office and a steak at the pub.

Or, heaven forfend, getting married in a church.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
May 22, 2023 8:42 am

While at first blush the government’s policy agenda may seem serene, below the surface there is a much more radical approach.

The foundations of a new social and economic engineering framework are being steadily built. This is happening while many Aussies are grateful for the respite from the previous turmoil.

Essentially, they are happy that the pain they endured under the previous mob is gone, while not fully comprehending the potential financial and social trauma the nation will endure in the years to come.

Until tomorrow.

Cory

“Albanese has benefited enormously from low expectations”.
Senior Labor Figure quoted in The Australian.

rosie
rosie
May 22, 2023 8:43 am

“to ensure victims survivors know that when they disclose sexual violence they will be believed”.

Of course.
Investigations and trials should just rubber stamp allegations of sexual assault.
No innocent til proven guilty or even guilty til proven innocent.
It’s got to be guilty guilty guilty.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 22, 2023 8:44 am

I see that Grandpa Cletis is still upticking his own comments.

shatterzzz
May 22, 2023 8:45 am

With your dopey system, Security could refuse entry to a couple of drunk MPs heading back for a vote and the Government could fall.

At least it wouldn’t happen a second time! .. lesson learnt .. LOL!

rosie
rosie
May 22, 2023 8:48 am

I wouldn’t infer any such thing.
Maybe it was she’d been drinking, she’d vomited over herself, she took off her dress.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 22, 2023 8:49 am

Gee I go to bed safe in the knowledge that Ed is, in his mind, the man for all seasons. Whether it’s Aboriginal affairs, war events, legal process, gluten abnormalities and flamers, he’s got it all. Despite no citations of which he asks of others. FMD

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 22, 2023 8:50 am

Or, heaven forfend, getting married in a church.

I know a bloke who worked out how to play his wedding videos backwards. He gains much pleasure watching himself walk out of the church, a free man.

rosie
rosie
May 22, 2023 8:51 am

Clever bloke Zulu, was that you?

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 22, 2023 8:55 am

BB

Grandpa Cletus don’t need your useless evidence and citations, he’s got himself, and that is all the “evidence” he needs.

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