Open Thread – Tues 27 June 2023


The Gleaners, Jean-François Millet,1857

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Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 27, 2023 11:18 pm

Chemtrails are real. Billy man boobs laughs at the skeptics.

It’s been going on for decades!

F-heads galore deny otherwise.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 27, 2023 11:18 pm

And law and order was never in question in recent times I mean the last 100 t0 200 years even in war times, policing was alive and well.

Depends. Yes, if you take your lead from Foyle’s War. Less so if you look at what came under the aegis of policing in more dubious countries, like Hitler’s Germany or Petain’s France. Or Biden’s America.

Lawlessness is often a part of the turmoil of collapse that happens during war or societal disintegration. That is so for the Pictish and Irish and Scando-Germanic raiding upon the Romano-Britons left defenceless by Rome, as well as for the various pay-back gangs who roamed Europe after the second world war, including the French who took our their fury on women collaborators.

Arky
June 27, 2023 11:20 pm

Because, according to your criteria, the parties agree on the current position.

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Are you sure?

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has defended his hand-picked candidate for Warringah…
Mr Morrison again refused to criticise Katherine Deves, saying the issue she was raising was “concerning” and “troubling”.

“What we’re talking about here is gender reversal surgery for young adolescents… we can’t pretend this type of surgery is a minor procedure,” Mr Morrison said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-10/morrison-responds-to-warringah-deves-trans-apology-walk-back/101051914

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And:

London: Former Australian prime minister Tony Abbott has joined the board of trustees of the leading climate sceptic think tank, the Global Warming Policy Foundation, vowing to inject more “genuine science” and less “groupthink” into the debate.

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https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/tony-abbott-joins-leading-uk-climate-change-sceptic-think-tank-20230206-p5cieb.html

So at least two of the last three prime ministers on the liberal side aren’t at all the way you characterise them on two of the issues you raised.
Now I’m not going to wade through pages of liberal party websites to try to derive their current policy on the issues you raise. It’s on you to back your argument with links.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 27, 2023 11:20 pm

Explain how you accomplish that, given our geographic location, population, economic base and the reality that in order to procure the weaponry to defend the country you need to align yourself with one or other existing bloc.

Because of our geographic location Australia shouldn’t give a shit about half of the worlds problems.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 27, 2023 11:22 pm

And no party wants to be in power during a foreign invasion.

This kind of thinking makes US military contractors very rich.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 27, 2023 11:23 pm

Russo-Ukrainian War: The Wagner Uprising
Yevgeny Prigozhin’s Wild Ride

BIG SERGE
27 JUN 2023

The events of the past weekend (June 23 – 25, 2023) were so surreal and phantasmagorical that they militate against narration and defy description. On Friday, the infamous Wagner Group launched what appeared to be a genuine armed insurrection against the Russian state. They occupied portions of Rostov on Don – a city of over 1 million people, regional capital, and headquarters of Russia’s Southern Military District – before setting off in an armed column towards Moscow. This column – replete with heavy military equipment including air defense systems – came within a few hundred miles of the capital – virtually unmolested by Russian state forces – before abruptly stopping, announcing that a deal had been brokered with the aid of Belorussian President Aleksandr “Uncle Sasha” Lukashenko, turning around, and heading back to Wagner bases in the Ukrainian theater.

Needless to say, the spectacle of a Russian mercenary group making an armed march on Moscow, and of Wagner tanks and infantry cordoning off Ministry of Defense buildings in Rostov, sparked widespread confidence among the western commentariat that the Russian state was about to be toppled and the Russian war effort in Ukraine would evaporate. There were confident and outlandish predictions pushed out in a matter of hours, including claims that Russia’s global footprint would disintegrate as the Kremlin recalled troops to defend Moscow and that Russia was about to enter a state of Civil War. We also saw the Ukrainian propaganda machine kick into overdrive, with characters like Anton Gerashchenko and Igor Sushko absolutely bombarding social media with fake stories about Russian army units mutinying and regional governors “defecting” to Prigozhin.

There’s something to be said here about the analytic model that prevails in our time – there’s a machine that instantly springs to life, taking in rumors and partial information in an environment of extreme uncertainty and spitting out formulaic results that match ideological presuppositions. Information is not evaluated neutrally, but forced through a cognitive filter that assigns it meaning in light of predetermined conclusions. Russia is *supposed* to collapse and undergo regime change (Fukuyama said so) – therefore, Prigozhin’s actions had to be framed in reference to this assumed endgame.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, we saw some similar measure of aggressive model-fitting from “Trust the Plan” Russia supporters, who were confident that the Wagner uprising was just an act – an elaborate ruse concocted in concert by Prigozhin and Putin to fool Russia’s enemies and advance the plan. The analytic error here is the same – information is parsed only for the purpose of buttressing and advancing a pre-concluded endgame; except it is Russian omnicompetence which is assumed instead of Russian state collapse.

I took something of a middle view. I found the idea that Russia faced civil war or state collapse to be bizarre in the extreme and completely unfounded, but I also did not think (and I feel that events have vindicated this view) that Prigozhin was acting in collaboration with the Russian state to create a charade. If indeed the Wagner uprising was a Psyop (Psychological Operation) to trick NATO, it was an extremely elaborate and convoluted one which hasn’t yet shown any clear benefits (more on this in a moment).

My broad belief is that Prigozhin was acting of his own volition in an extremely risky way (which risked both his own life and a destabilizing effect on Russia). This presented the Russian state with a genuine crisis (albeit one which was not sufficiently severe to threaten the state’s existence) which I think they handled quite well on the whole. The Wagner uprising was quite clearly bad for Russia, but not existentially so, and the state did a good job containing and mitigating it.

Let’s get into it, starting with a short look at the timeline of events.

– Anatomy of a Mutiny
– Psyop Scenarios
– Option 1: Live Bait
– Option 2: Masking Deployments
– Option 3: Engineered Radicalization
– Option 4: Consolidation of Power
– What Prigozhin Wants
– Russia’s Crisis Management
– Conclusion: 1917

One of humanity’s most universal and beloved pastimes is making bad historical analogies, and that process was certainly in high gear this past weekend. The most popular comparison, naturally, was to compare Prigozhin’s uprising to the fall of the Tsar in 1917.

The problem is that this analogy is a perfect inversion of the truth.

The Tsar fell in 1917 because he was at army headquarters far away from the capital. In his absence, a garrison mutiny in Petrograd (Petersburg) led to a collapse of government authority, which was then picked up by a new cabinet formed from the state Duma. Coups are not achieved through mindless bloodshed. What matters most is the basic question of bureaucratic authority, for this is what it means to rule. When you pick up a phone and give an order to shut down a rail line; when you summon a military unit to readiness; when you issue a purchasing order for food or shells or medicine – are these instructions respected?

It was trivially obvious that Prigozhin lacked either the force, the institutional support, or any real desire to usurp authority, and the idea that he was attempting a genuine coup was absurd. Imagine, for a moment, that Wagner managed to bash its way through the Russian National Guard into Moscow. Prigozhin storms the ministry of defense – he arrests Shoigu and sits in his chair. Do we really believe that the army in the field would suddenly follow his orders? It’s not a magic chair. Power only comes up for grabs in the event of total state collapse, and what we saw in Russia was the opposite – we saw the state closing ranks.

So in the end, both the neoliberal commentariat and the Russian plan trusters are left with an unsatisfactory view of events. Prigozhin is neither the harbinger of regime change nor a piece in Putin’s four dimensional chess game. He’s simply a mercurial and wildly irresponsible man who saw that his Private Military Corporation was going to be taken away from him and decided to go to extreme and criminal lengths to prevent this. He was a card player with nothing in his hand who decided to bluff his way out of a corner – until his bluff was called.

Arky
June 27, 2023 11:29 pm

dover0beach says:
June 27, 2023 at 11:26 pm
Are you sure?
Yes, I’m sure

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You are wrong, as per my links.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
June 27, 2023 11:30 pm

I think this theory has appeal to people because it posits Putin as an extremely crafty, Machiavellian, and paranoid leader.

This is also why I think it’s wrong. Putin has derived a great deal of legitimacy from his ability to fight the war without disrupting day to day life in Russia – there’s no rationing, no conscriptions, no restrictions on movement, etc.

In fact, one of the biggest criticisms of Putin has been from the war party, who allege that he’s fighting the war too timidly for fear and is too preoccupied with maintaining normalcy in Russia.

It seems incongruous, then, that a leader who has taken great care to avoid putting Russian society on a war footing would then do something as destabilizing as staging a fake uprising.

Furthermore, if indeed the Wagner revolt was a charade to smoke out other treacherous and terroristic elements, it failed badly – there were no defections, no civil unrest, and no denunciations of Putin. So for several reasons, the live bait theory does not pass the sniff test.

Zatara
Zatara
June 27, 2023 11:30 pm

The charges are based on his actions after leaving the White House.

Are you suggesting that Trump crept back into the White House after Biden was inaugurated and lifted a bunch of documents? Because if not he must have removed them when/before he moved house (as in before the inauguration).

Which makes the concept of his ‘stealing’ them impossible as they were his documents to remove in the first place and he did it while still in office.

I fully agree that Trump’s mouth is his biggest enemy, but the Dems are trying to create a criminal case out of thin air here.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 27, 2023 11:32 pm

There is a good argument for Australian rearmament on a large scale. China is a threat and not being beholden to America is a good thing.

This is a more reasonable approach.
Australia should have a decent military.
But strategy, procurement & deployment should be Australia’s terms.
Not on the terms some US military contractor thinks up & promotes via various think tanks who all have chicken hawks & former politicians on the payroll.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 27, 2023 11:33 pm

He is being charged for holding government documents, many classified and some quite critical to USA and other countries defence. He not only held the documents more than a year after being notified of their status he also boasted on tape about having highly classified docs.

In truth, it’s the Donald putting himself in jail by his actions and his talk, not the administration.

Where did you get that from Alamak? CNN sounds a likely source.

The President can classify and declassify documents, and hold them too.
He is free to mention that he holds such documents; it should surprise no-one.
Other Presidents also hold such documents, for long periods too.

No charges have been laid against Barrack Obama or Joe Biden, regarding documents they hold.
No charges have been laid against Hillary Clinton for using a public server for classified information.
No charges have been laid against Hillary Clinton for destroying many significant emails.
A light feathering has been given to Hunter Biden and Joe’s role ignored in huge corruption.

Many charges against President Trump and two attempts at impeaching him have gone nowhere.

Yet all of this confected outrage, and charges galore being laid. It stinks of a political frame-up.

I shouldn’t have to reiterate this here to any commenter, for the facts are plain.
Why come on here and iterate half-truths and ignore so much else? Naivety perhaps?

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 27, 2023 11:35 pm

On Australia’s terms.

JC
JC
June 27, 2023 11:41 pm

Trump shouldn’t be in any legal jeopardy, but he’s a freaking motor mouth. He needs to STFU at times.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 27, 2023 11:43 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare> See the quote from Trumps own mouth above which was recorded with his permission. Nothing more I need to add on Trump and I won’t engage in what-about-Clinton/Obama/****. Lets see how Donald goes in court.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 27, 2023 11:43 pm

I can’t find the recent story or the photo with Christopher Pyne partying with US military contractors.
Can someone post if they have it handy? No pun intended.
In the meantime, this story on the subs illustrates the point.

Dreadnoughts and Virginias: why is Australia paying more than twice the price for submarines?

https://michaelwest.com.au/dreadnoughts-and-virginias-why-is-australia-paying-more-than-twice-the-price-for-submarines/

Dot
Dot
June 27, 2023 11:45 pm

Of course, chemtrails are real; I just doubt we’re being mass drugged; but things like Operation Sea-Spray really happened.

Operation Sea-Spray was a 1950 U.S. Navy secret biological warfare experiment in which Serratia marcescens and Bacillus globigii bacteria were sprayed over the San Francisco Bay Area in California, in order to determine how vulnerable a city like San Francisco may be to a bioweapon attack.

If you burn a hydrocarbon at high pressure in a steel manifold (alloyed with titanium and other heat-resistant metals) and at a high altitude – you will get a trail of metal oxide salts dispersed in a water vapour trail that freezes and crystallises. It is known to increase the planet’s albedo and we know this from the natural experiment of grounding commercial airlines after 9/11.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 27, 2023 11:49 pm

If you burn a hydrocarbon at high pressure in a steel manifold (alloyed with titanium and other heat-resistant metals) and at a high altitude

I find your views interesting & would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 27, 2023 11:50 pm

Dover Beach> we had covered this question already. The PRA does not override statutes on security and classified information. So Trump cannot rely on PRA and being “Prez” to claim some action involving “declassified by the act of walking out”.

He has been caught and could have given back the classified stuff in 12 months of negotiations and could have kept his big mouth shut. But he didn’t.

Dot
Dot
June 27, 2023 11:51 pm

Keep in mind the hacking tools stuff being exposed showed that America literally could frame another country as a “hacker”. Then you look at the Russian (?) hacks of the DNC and the Trump Organisation.

America has done some bad things and been led astray mostly by the deep state in the CIA, FBI and similar congeners in political dynasties. It means there is a need for reform of their republic to stave off aristocracy. Reflexively supporting anti-American causes does not help America, Americans or American allies.

Dot
Dot
June 27, 2023 11:52 pm

JET fuel CAN’T melt STEEL beams

Only 3.95 AUD incl. GST per week.

JC
JC
June 27, 2023 11:54 pm

Look, it would be very unlikely Australia would be attacked by China unilaterally. It would also be very unlikely (extremely) the US wouldn’t offer massive military aid to oz. We should be ensuring that we keep up military spending to a healthy level, but we shouldn’t be over spending to imply we need to go it alone. A go it alone strategy would entail nuclear weapons and I don’t think that’s on the cards. The US alliance has us covered on that score because a nuke attack on Australia would mean the US would see it as equal to an attack on US territory.

Dot
Dot
June 27, 2023 11:54 pm

Keep in mind the hacking tools stuff being exposed showed that America literally could frame another country as a “hacker”

By this [America] I mean the CIA/NSA and other parties enabled under the ominous TIA (“Total Information Awareness”) programmes and operations.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 27, 2023 11:57 pm

Norm MacDonald celebrates pride month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CYE6H3uDFo

JC
JC
June 27, 2023 11:58 pm

So Trump cannot rely on PRA and being “Prez” to claim some action involving “declassified by the act of walking out”.

Both Turley and the Dersh says he can although both suggest his big mouth may have got him in trouble when was talking to the author. I’d rely on those two. In contrast, neither Crooked nor Hiden could declassify.

Dot
Dot
June 27, 2023 11:59 pm

Norm McDonald is celebrating the consequences of AIDS right now.

Adam, that’s a bit harsh. Are you angry because you’re gay?

Dot
Dot
June 28, 2023 12:00 am

Even David Spade and Jeff Foxworthy won’t read Adam’s jokes out loud.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 12:09 am

dover0beach says:
June 28, 2023 at 12:06 am

Reflexively supporting…American causes does not help America, Americans or American allies.

Two days ago His Leadership agreed with you., but now not so much. Just unreal.

Arky
June 28, 2023 12:12 am

Reflexively supporting anti-American causes does not help America, Americans or American allies.

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You’re damn right it doesn’t.
How exactly we got to this point where it’s fashionable on the right to do so requires careful review:
1. The release of a virus from a Chinese lab.
2. A worldwide response co-ordinated by an apparently China influenced WHO.
3. Left of centre political parties across the Anglosphere at state level following the lead of the CCP in restricting movement.
4. The virus used as an excuse to ramp up postal voting and give the opportunity for widespread corruption of the 2020 election.
5. The subsequent censorship of and legal harassment of President Trump.
6. The conduct of the current President’s son in China and the Ukraine.
7. The move by Russia to decapitate the Ukrainian government after Trump leaves office.
8. The slow foot dragging response by the Biden government to the Russian moves ensuring a long drawn out destructive war.
9. The catering to right of centre concerns about social issues by Russian propaganda apparatus to boost disenchantment and despondency among precisely those most usually can be counted upon to support the USA.
10. The role of that evil witch Clinton in producing a “Russian” dossier on Trump back in 2016 and the subsequent cover up.
11. Trump seeks to undo US reliance on Chinese labour and everything above subsequently occurs right on cue.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 12:14 am

12. Buying imported goods at bel0w cost.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 28, 2023 12:17 am

He’s just saying he has the evidence ‘here in these official documents’ which prove that Gen. Milley is a liar.

I get what he was trying to do, but that won’t excuse him if a judge or jury takes a strict view of his responsibilities as an ex-prez for security and secrecy.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 12:19 am

I get what he was trying to do, but that won’t excuse him if a judge or jury takes a strict view of his responsibilities as an ex-prez for security and secrecy.

There is no explicit law guiding anything you suggest. None for a president nor an ex-president.

Arky
June 28, 2023 12:20 am

dover0beach says:
June 27, 2023 at 11:57 pm
Now I’m not going to wade through pages of liberal party websites to try to derive their current policy on the issues you raise. It’s on you to back your argument with links.
Take abortion, the Libs have effectively surrendered to an ‘abortion on demand’ policy that includes penalties for doctors that do not provides a referral and zone limits on those peaceful witness outside abortuaries. They even sponsored the passage of such a bill under Gladys in 2019. Napthine, as Opposition Leader, in 2013 opposed any amendments to Victoria’s 2009 ‘reform’. Marshall, in SA, passed the liberalization of abortion law in 2021. I could go on

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I believe the liberal party allows a conscience vote on such matters.
So try again. There isn’t a broad consensus across party lines on abortion. In general the right in most western countries have tried to keep abortion off the table as an election issue. Cowardice for sure, but not the broad agreement you claim.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 28, 2023 12:21 am

DB> google for laws used in securing classified USA government documents and tell me they sound like “… an administrative offence”

We have other examples on how these laws are applied with Snowdon, Manning, et al. Trump is not exempted from the same laws and penalties.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 12:25 am

Trump is not exempted from the same laws and penalties.

He sure is. Neither Crooked, Hiden (when VP) nor Pence are.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 28, 2023 12:26 am

There is no explicit law guiding anything you suggest. None for a president nor an ex-president.

No, you are correct in that he must follow the same laws as everyone else.

I’m saying that because he (or some commentators) seem to believe there are special rights for presidents regarding classified docs, there are not.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 12:33 am

No, you are correct in that he must follow the same laws as everyone else.

There is no law demanding a president has to follow any procedure in regards to declassifying. None. He can do whatever he wants, which is why it is the most important executive position in the US.

I’m saying that because he (or some commentators) seem to believe there are special rights for presidents regarding classified docs, there are not.

Don’t think of it that way. Think of it like this. A president is perfectly entitled to class or declass anything he wants any time he wants.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 28, 2023 12:39 am

Worthy of a revisit.

TACKLING THE CHEMTRAIL CONTROVERSY

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 12:39 am

Dover

If China nuked our two/three largest cities, the continent would be there for the taking on its own without much undue pressure on the Chinese military as I would suspect the rest would give up. A nuke defense would be okay on its merits if we couldn’t rely on the Americans. China would know that if they took out our major cities would destroy theirs too along with the big mother f’ing dam.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 12:53 am

Dover

You suggested that taking Australia would be hard. I presented a way China could do so easily in a hypothetical situation.

As for China nuking our big cities, I actually think there is a bigger risk China nuking a large Australian city than there is taking out a comparable US one. If China attacked Taiwan, we were actively involved militarily and they (China) looked like losing, I’d bet we would be on their nuclear radar.

Zatara
Zatara
June 28, 2023 12:54 am

Dreadnoughts and Virginias: why is Australia paying more than twice the price for submarines?

They aren’t. Or at least the linked piece doesn’t prove it so. Instead it uses the disingenuous technique of using a total program cost for the US Virginia buy while merely quoting an off the shelf per boat price for a UK built Dreadnought. That’s comparing apples to oranges because either boat buy requires program costs such as recruiting, training, spares, weapons, building support facilities, operating costs, etc.. Thus no legitimate “per boat” cost was established in his piece.

Regarding contractors – throwing rocks at US contractors as if there is a one-way monopolistic relationship is poor form. For instance, AUSTAL built most of the US Navy littoral combat ships (LCS), are building a USN floating drydock, and have contracts to build five Towing, Salvage and Rescue ships (T-ATS) for them. For the record, BAE Systems Australia

is the country’s biggest defense contractor, not some US company.

Finally, contractors will sell you whatever you ask them to sell you. But it’s expected that the buyers are big boys who have the knowledge and discipline to create a responsible shopping list and appropriate oversight to slap their hands when they dip into the cookie jar too often.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 1:02 am

Just as a matter of geopolitics, do you think India would just let China take Australia after doing such a thing?

India wouldn’t do shit.

What of the reaction of the other nuclear powers?

That’s the bet. Europe would do nothing accept send Hans Blix with a very stern letter. The focus would be the US and it’s response.

There is just no situation where such a thing would happen that already didn’t involve nuclear weapons. Moreover, having US facilities in your country definitely makes you a target if there is a conflict between the two.

Here’s my argument. If I were China and I believed the only option I had was to resort to nuclear weapons as a signal to the US to tone it down, I would nuke Australia rather than the US as the could be a chance the US doesn’t respond with nukes and we could negotiate out of a quagmire.

I would nuke Australia before the US.

Zatara
Zatara
June 28, 2023 1:06 am

Correction to my above post. West does in fact provide a supposed ‘current estimate” for the Dreadnought program. What he doesn’t do is identify where that estimate came from and what it does or does not include in the program.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 1:09 am

No, if they used it against us they also have to use it against the US because the latter would be expected to respond.

I don’t disagree, but I’m talking about risk. American response to a US city being nuked would be 100%. Would you attach 100% if say China nuked Adelaide? I wouldn’t. I’d say it would likely be in the 90s, but it wouldn’t be 100%

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 1:20 am

Don’t underestimate the Indians. You would have said the same thing in 2000 about China.

I reckon they both hate us. China just more so than India because the Chinese see us like the child screaming at them behind mommie’s apron.

They resent our economic success and make them look like crap. Australia is envied in our region.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 1:39 am

Am I suggesting we need to overdose on iodine? Do I think the Chinese military is going to hire Qatar Airways and Air Nippon commercial liners to conduct a surprise attack on Melbourne airport? No!

🙂

That reminds me, where’s Turtlehead?

Tom
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Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
June 28, 2023 4:35 am

Thanks Tom.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 28, 2023 4:37 am

Rita Panahi:

It’s not over yet. The race-based referendum is floundering but it’s far from dead and buried.

All the polling shows the momentum is with the No vote but there is a cashed-up Yes campaign backed by corporates, sporting bodies, rich-listers and celebrities ready to bombard Australians with pro-Voice to Parliament propaganda.

The Yes camp started the campaign playing dirty and it is only going to get worse as we approach the referendum, to be held some time from September to November.

The Prime Minister sounds increasingly shrill as he implores Australians to rise to the occasion and back the Voice.

“People, I think, have to rise to the occasion … business has risen to the occasion, faith groups have risen to the occasion, the NRL, AFL, Cricket Australia, Tennis Australia and other sporting organisations have risen to the occasion,” Anthony Albanese said. (except sporting bodies don’t vote Albo)

But the only thing rising is the No vote. For the Yes vote to prevail it needs to achieve more than 50 per cent of the national vote as well as majorities in the majority of states. As it stands the intended Yes vote has plummeted to 43 per cent nationally with the No vote up four points to 47 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll.

As for the 10 per cent “undecided” I’d bet a pretty penny the bulk of this group is not so much undecided but a shy No vote. One can understand why some are reluctant to share their position given the hate campaign run by Voice advocates painting any dissent as bigoted.

The state-by-state data is just as compelling. If the referendum were held today only two states would be any chance of delivering a Yes majority, Victoria (Yes 48, No 41) and NSW (Yes 46, No 41).

Queensland (Yes 40, No 54), Western Australia (Yes 39, No 52), South Australia (Yes 45, No 56) and Tasmania (Yes 43, No 48) are currently in the No camp.

However, the “Yes 23” campaign is cashed up and ready to grant thousands of dollars for community functions that support the Voice.

And corporate giants ANZ, CBA, Westpac, NAB, Rio Tinto, BHP, Qantas, Transurban, Telstra, Coles, Wesfarmers and Woolworths will throw their considerable weight behind enshrining racial privilege in the Constitution.

This is a David and Goliath battle, but remember David won that fight.

A who’s who of companies there isn’t it? So what happens if an employee of one of them votes no? Do they get the lemon and sars? Or sent off for ‘reeducation’? Time will tell.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 28, 2023 5:07 am

Big night for independent journalism.
Lee Fang reports how Stacey Plaskett (she was the one who threatened Taibbi) was in deep with Epstein and repeatedly lied about it.
The Gray Zone has the receipts from the DoD paying millions to a CIA shell company which they stay is the straight line to the Nord Stream demolition job.
Glenn Greenwald reports that the geo-data for a couple of suspected Feds at Jan 6th was “corrupted” according to the telco companies that was still able to track down Alaskan grandmothers.

bespoke
bespoke
June 28, 2023 5:28 am

So my assumptions that support for Russia was based on frustration with the west proved correct. Using lefty tropes no less.

The cheep seats hold in you in contempt.

At leased have the guts to piss off . That would be doing something instead of being whining grifters.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 5:37 am

Wat ahr yiu to sai, bee spoke?

calli
calli
June 28, 2023 5:51 am

As I was going to St Ives…I met half of England on a jolly.

The road down the coast is a first circle of hell. They are finally doing a dual carriageway for the gazillions of Poms (and visitors) who want to visit sandy beaches and sunshine. How about that! The tailbacks from the road works are Dantean.

Finally the Park and Ride and the little railway spur through to the seaside village and we’re there at last. It was worth it, felt like a little piece of the Med or Liguria transported to the green and pleasant land.

I won’t say much about Land’s End. Except that I got there.

Cornwall is beautiful, but gee they need to do something about the roads.

bespoke
bespoke
June 28, 2023 5:57 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
June 28, 2023 6:16 am

As I was going to St Ives…

Breaking news.
Calli is actually Hans Gruber’s brother.

h/t Die Hard with a vengeance.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 6:23 am

My Travelogue

Switzerland is freaking beautiful, but the Swiss Franc is hugely overvalued even though I understand why. I warned wifey I would get into an altercation with some German and of course I did.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 28, 2023 6:27 am

Were they a sauerkraut JC?
Or were you itching for a stoush?

Entropy
Entropy
June 28, 2023 6:29 am

Did you mention the war, JC?

bespoke
bespoke
June 28, 2023 6:31 am

E: I think it’s a huge issue, because there is a perception, whether accurate or not, that a mob can be quickly and easily mobilized against you for perceived transgression—meaning a disagreement.

H/T: instapundit.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 6:34 am

Bern
No, I wasn’t in the least interested in an argument. I seem to get into stoushes with Germans overseas. Lordie, they’re such freaking arseholes. Even the way they speak English annoys the shit out of me.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 6:38 am

Entropy says:
June 28, 2023 at 6:29 am

Did you mention the war, JC?

I did a some years ago in Italy with a German slag holding onto two chairs beside the pool. I reminded her, her side lost the war and shouldn’t make demands.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 28, 2023 6:41 am

I love the German accent.
I also love it when I hear a South African bird speaking English with a huge saffa accent.
Meaning my judgement & taste can’t be trusted.

Cassie of Sydney
June 28, 2023 6:46 am

“I gave you two instances of the party putting forward legislation or sponsoring a bill, and another where it prefers to remain silent, and you’re trying to defend this by saying that a scattered member opposing it indicates no broad consensus. The bills passed, the Libs won’t say boo about it, and they are removing members that want to keep it a live issue. That is effectively a general consensus.”

All correct, and an example of this, if the NSW Liberals had remained in power after March this year, a party completely beholden to Alex Greenfilth, we’d already have a Euthanasia bill passed. It was the NSW Coalition, both Liberals and Nationals, that passed those grotesque abortion laws back in 2019, because they cut a deal with Greenfilth in case they fell into minority government. And watch the NSW Liberals, now they’re in opposition, like the Victorian Liberals, simply refuse to oppose any kind of radical leftist social engineering. Here in NSW, Greenfilth is about to introduce legislation allowing self ID, in other words a man with a big cock who puts on a frock will be able to legally walk into and use a female only change room, insisting he’s a woman. And if anyone dare protest, then they’ll face legal action, not the pervert. I strongly suspect that before the election in March the NSW Liberals gave Greenfilth the nod to this, saying that if reelected they’ll support and push through legislation. The Liberals lost the election, however Greenfilth is pressing ahead with this legislation so we’ll see what this new Labor government does here in NSW. But there’s one this you can be assured of, and that is that the spineless, far-left, mint green NSW Liberals will support Greenfilth.

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 6:53 am

No more conspiracy theory as it’s now certain Crooked and Bill had him killed. DOJ says so!

Jeffrey Epstein’s Suicide Underscores Negligence in Federal Prisons, Watchdog Finds
Inspector general says correctional system’s failures gave accused sex trafficker opportunity to hang himself

WASHINGTON—A pattern of negligence and misconduct by staff at a federal jail in New York gave disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein a perfect opportunity to kill himself in his cell in August 2019, the Justice Department’s watchdog said in a report pointing to chronic problems within the beleaguered federal prison system.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 28, 2023 7:00 am

A hearty good morning to all the luRkertRaitors, peering intently over the pages of this august journal of record as a stinking derro would a scratchie, dropped on the footpath by a Labor MP for someone of a lesser stature to retrieve and inspect.

bons
bons
June 28, 2023 7:04 am

The Peace Operations Training Centre is a joint, inter-agency and multi-national training establishment and a recognised United Nations (UN) training provider. It prepares Australian military, foreign military and civilians from other government departments to deploy on operations. The Peace Operations Training Centre also delivers the Australian Defence Force Gender Advisor Course, training students to apply a Gender perspective into policy, and planning at all levels.
No comment required!

johanna
johanna
June 28, 2023 7:11 am

Interesting how accents can spark positive or negative responses.

In my experience, Americans love Aussie/NZ/English accents. Who knows why?

I like a mild Scottish accent (Glaswegian is hard work), a mild English accent, everyone likes a French accent.

Apparently some companies chose to put call centres in The Philippines because a lot of Filipinos speak English with an American accent. That said, the Filipina housemaids here speak their English with no trace of the above, and what’s more, they speak very fast. I don’t always follow.

I’m sure that readers have the same experience of Indian English, which ranges from erudite to incomprehensible babble.

The vagaries of the post war immigrant wave are well documented and have become the stuff of good natured comedy. Effie and her ‘hairs’ (obviously a literal translation), Con the Grik fruiterer; the Greeks seem to have a better sense of humour than the purse-lipped guardians of ethnicity that loom over performers today.

Those of us who grew up in that time can still pick the traces of accent, the intonations, the phrasing, of the adult children. It’s just a quirk, and has no relevance to the worth of the speaker.

132andBush
132andBush
June 28, 2023 7:23 am

Indolent says:
June 27, 2023 at 8:44 pm

Interesting. I wonder what it was belching out.

In order to believe what is claimed (switching on/off of some nefarious substance) you have to believe the atmosphere, at all levels, is one homogeneous block.
No sudden changes in air temp, pressure, humidity with their resultant effects on dew point and propensity for condensation trail formation. At all levels.

Helen
Helen
June 28, 2023 7:24 am

And good moaning to you KD

I was mildly suptised when visiting my fave bottlo in Town yesterday, the Coolie BWS to find all the spirits locked behind glass snd an assistant had to get my selections out whereupon he placed them on the counter while I selected my wine

What have we come to?

Helen
Helen
June 28, 2023 7:25 am

Thumb spelling DTown surprised etc

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 28, 2023 7:29 am

On This Day:

1914 – Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife Sophie are assassinated in Sarajevo; this is the casus belli of World War I

Of course, this is recorded in some circles as one of Klaus’ early triumphs.

johanna
johanna
June 28, 2023 7:32 am

PwC Australia is imploding:

The Education Minister, Jason Clare, has described the failure by PwC to disclose its interest in a private education provider while conducting a confidential review into the Commonwealth regulator of private colleges as “completely unacceptable”.
Key points:

A spokesman for PwC admitted the firm failed to appropriately disclose its interest in Top Education Group while performing a review for the education department
It is the second time PwC has been found to have concealed its interest in the education provider from the government
Last week it was revealed PwC took a significant shareholding in Top Education Group while consulting for TEQSA

It is the second time that the firm has been found to have concealed from the federal government its $5.5 million interest in Top Education Group, one of Australia’s most prominent and politically active private colleges.

It comes as a group of current PwC employees have issued an internal challenge to the firm demanding far deeper reform than the proposed sale of its government consulting arm.

A letter addressed to eight members of the current leadership team — including acting chief executive Kristin Stubbins — also alleges wideranging misconduct by the firm, including the use of non-disclosure agreements to “facilitate the departure of partners accused of harassment or assault, enabling them to repeat such behaviour in other firms or organisations”.

“[We] express our deep concerns regarding the current course of action … we find it lacking in transparency, grossly inadequate, and potentially detrimental to the firm beyond repair,” their letter states.

“Urgent corrective measures must be undertaken to salvage our partnership from further disaster.”

Amazing how pressure on hip pockets creates a sudden outburst of ethical awareness.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 28, 2023 7:38 am

all the spirits locked behind glass snd an assistant had to get my selections out whereupon he placed them on the counter while I selected my wine

What have we come to?

Learned behaviour, Helen. Years of ‘don’t, stop, don’t chase’ corporate policies encouraged some demographic groups to just walk in, pinch what they want and walk out – sometimes in groups of six or more. The businesses wrote the thefts off because reversing those policies and making their product harder to steal was too expensive.

All that ended when a young bloke working at a D-Town bottlo was killed by one of said demographic after being refused service for being shitfaced and not wearing shoes, and after he was also refused service by another bottlo ten minutes earlier.

Immediately afterwards, the process of buying half a dozen cans became akin to accessing a safe deposit box in a Swiss bank.

I’m sure we’re all better people for it.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 7:43 am

A family member had a dairly mild dose of covid last week, I know, only a figment but still.
Didn’t manage to give it to anyone else though, well not me anyhow.

132andBush
132andBush
June 28, 2023 7:44 am

Snap, Zatara, Bruce WA, dot.

Hectic couple of days spreading urea here and now a nice rain falling, looks like we’ll get 10mm.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 7:46 am

Doesn’t have an Australian flag at the Top of its home page but it does have a flag.
a visa mill?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 28, 2023 7:47 am

Dotsays:

June 27, 2023 at 10:29 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
June 27, 2023 at 7:28 pm

From The Telegraph…

“NSW Police have recommended the foster mother of William Tyrrell be charged with interfering with a corpse and perverting the course of justice.”
….
Remember the self-aggrandising and corrupt ex-cop Gary Jubelin screwed up this investigation very badly

Recommended charges?
Why not simply charge her themselves?
This sounds like more “any day now” from the NSW old lady taserers hoping to scare someone into a blathering confession.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 7:48 am

D Town becoming like certain parts of Chicago, LA etc?

JC
JC
June 28, 2023 7:48 am

WSJ. Made me LOL

Winston Churchill reportedly said that Kremlin political intrigues are like “a bulldog fight under a rug,” and that the only way outsiders know who won is when the bones of the loser fly out.

duncanm
duncanm
June 28, 2023 7:49 am

Indolentsays:
June 27, 2023 at 9:12 pm
Malcolm Roberts.

Australian Senator Claim: 30K Excess Deaths Caused by mRNA Vax. Calls For Investigation

As much as I have time for Malcolm Roberts, given the cumulative excess deaths since Jan’20 is about 26k (according to the data explorer), blaming all (or even most) of them on da vax is a fantasy.

duncanm
duncanm
June 28, 2023 7:49 am

.. I’m assuming Oz. Maybe he’s talking worldwide ?

Cassie of Sydney
June 28, 2023 7:51 am

Here is an example of the craven spinelessness, the utter ineptness, the never ending cowardice and the complete uselessness of the current Liberal Party, state and federally, in this case in QLD. But what’s worse, infinitely worse, is that the party how happily dances to the tunes composed and played by far-left MSM, in this case the Malchurian Guardian. Yes, the Malchurian Guardian is now the LNP’s media advisor, and the Malchurian Guardian decided who attends Liberal/Libertarian meetings and who doesn’t!

Last week in QLD, the Australian Taxpayers Alliance held a meeting and invited three LNP politicians to speak, one of whom was Amanda Stoker. What were they invited to talk about? Well, they were asked to sit on a panel to discuss the QLD state budget, hardly “controversial”. Yet just hours before the scheduled ATA event, the ATA received a telephone call from an LNP nonentity named Ben Riley. Mr Riley said that because of Barclay McGain’s attendance at the ATA meeting, because Barclay McGain had been suspended from the LNP, then those three LNP politicians, including Stoker, would be unable to attend and participate in the ATA event.

Why? This panic was triggered by the Malchurian Guardian, the QLD LNP was spooked by a far-left media outlet. You couldn’t make this shit up, except this is what is happening in the Liberal Party in 2023, when they’re not feverishly using Wikipedia as a source to smear other conservatives as “Nazis” or “Nazi adjacent”, they’re jumping to the demands and slurs of a far-left media outlet. The Malchurian Guardian has been obsessed with Barclay McGain since 2019 (interesting how the Guardian and other far-left media outlets are never equally obsessed or interested in the youthful shenanigans of Labor/Greens politicians, including our own “I fight Tories’ PM*). Now, you might ask the question, just who is Barclay McGain? Well, he’s quite an articulate young man, who’s still only in his early 20s. McGain is a former member of the Liberal National Party, he’s a very well presented young man from the Gold Coast. He resigned from the party in 2020, having being told by LNP officialdom to to “cease and desist” from associating himself with the party, and told to stay away from public events. The planned meeting last week was an ATA event but nonetheless, even that fact didn’t stop LNP cowardice in the face of a telephone phone call from the muckraking Malchurian Guardian.

You might also ak….what was McGain’s crime, a crime so heinous that it warranted mention in a far-left gutter journalism media outlet and led to his resignation from the party? Well, back in 2019, when McGain was 19 years old, yes yes, you read that right, 19 years old, McGain and a few friends in the party decided to do a stunt at “schoolies week” on the Gold Coast. McGain and his LNP mates went around asking questions of drunken 19 year olds, about Australian politics, culture and so on, and one of the questions they asked another young person elicited the following response “we’ve to to stop celebrating a culture that couldn’t even invent the bloody wheel“. Yes, those inflammatory Nuremberg genocidal words, words that weren’t even uttered by McGain, as he was holding the microphone, and for that crime he was exposed by the Guardian, and then cancelled by his own, the chicken little LNP. So now Barclay McGain is persona non grata, tainted, unclean. And the end result, the meeting went ahead, but Stoker and her LNP buddies didn’t show up, chicken littles that they are. Stoker, if she truly was a formidable woman, a la Thatcher, would have said to Riley, get f*cked, I’m attending.

* We might ask what Sleazy the Word Slusher from Marrickville was doing at the tender young age of 19? Or Bill Shorten at 19 years of age? Perhaps we could ask Kathy Sherriff that question, I’ve heard a rumour or two.

Vicki
Vicki
June 28, 2023 7:52 am

Looking after the farm while husband supervises work in our Sydney home. Had a somewhat sleepless night so turned to this venerable blog in the early hours. Some interesting discussion of the Russian alleged attempted putsch.
Some Cats seem to survive on little sleep! But the commentary always rewarding.

Could do with a bit more rain, although got about 13ml last week. Chooks getting out when let into free range area during the day, so will have to conduct surveillance operation today. Very annoying, as they have an excellent area & have been scattering autumn leaves everywhere as they dig for bugs in the gardens. Little blighters – don’t realise what a good life they already have. The fox is again coming at night (when they are safe in their chook house) as I have seen his/her tracks on my daily walk. We have installed an electric wire at nose height around the chook yard so it should stop him digging under the fence as it has done in the past. It is turned off when they are let out to free range, but the fox has not been known to come around during the day when we are in residence. Except, of course, after he had plundered the previous chooks early this year & fell asleep on our doorstep!

johanna
johanna
June 28, 2023 7:52 am

The propaganda war goes on and on. This time, it’s tampering with clouds to change the climate:

Queensland scientists who have been altering clouds with tiny particles to try and limit the effects of global warming are presenting their findings for the first time at a milestone conference in Brisbane this week.
Key points:

Cloud brightening is where clouds are modified to become more reflective, and last longer
Queensland scientists used cannons to spray sea water over reef
They are the first to test the cloud brightening theory

The International Conference on Nucleation and Atmospheric Aerosols (ICNAA) will be looking at climate change and interventions, including cloud brightening.

Cloud brightening is where clouds are modified to become more reflective, and last longer.

Daniel Harrison, from the Southern Cross University’s Reefs and Oceans Research Cluster, heads the team, which has been shooting sea water from canons for three years to brighten clouds in a bid to help tackle global warming.

They shoot spray over the reef “to see if we can create additional cloud condensation nuclei using sea water … to try and cool the reef down and protect the coral from bleaching”.

Tastefully, any mention of the cost or funding source for this Playschool level of ‘science’ is omitted by TheirABC.

In other words, taxpayers are funding what suburban children did when pools were only for the rich. It was called ‘playing under the sprinklers.’

It helped to protect the lawn from bleaching.

duncanm
duncanm
June 28, 2023 7:55 am

I also love it when I hear a South African bird speaking English with a huge saffa accent.

Patsy Kensit’s role in Leathal Weapon 2 was a moment for me.

Who knew she also did bad 80’s pop?

Cliff Boof
Cliff Boof
June 28, 2023 7:58 am

AEMO data dashboard at 0754 this AM has SA power priced at $12,922. Thanks to Whetherill and Koutsantonis.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 8:01 am

Now we know the Voice is going to be 20 Standover Grants and Grantesses I’m even more enthused about handing power over to the unaccountable.
Dutton was right, except it’s a blackfaceless Canberra bureaucracy.

132andBush
132andBush
June 28, 2023 8:10 am

Cloud brightening is where clouds are modified to become more reflective, and last longer.

Daniel Harrison, from the Southern Cross University’s Reefs and Oceans Research Cluster, heads the team, which has been shooting sea water from canons for three years to brighten clouds in a bid to help tackle global warming.

They shoot spray over the reef “to see if we can create additional cloud condensation nuclei using sea water … to try and cool the reef down and protect the coral from bleaching”.

These people need to be placed in straitjackets.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 8:11 am

I was reading the wiki page about that subtribe of Palawa that ABC genocide claimant claims to be a member of.
Don’t know who edited it but Kevin Windshuttle got a mention and there was a note that, in Tasmania, you could self identify as aboriginal as long as a group accepted you.
Obviously you need to start the group first.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 28, 2023 8:11 am

Vicki
Have you considered dusting gypsum along the fox tracks?
The fox licks their paws and that’s it for the fox. Careful you don’t inhale.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 28, 2023 8:12 am

Opinion
I exposed war crimes among the SAS. A few weeks ago, my car was repossessed
Samantha Crompvoets
Sociologist
June 27, 2023 — 7.30pm

When my car was repossessed by debt collectors a few weeks ago, amid wrapping up loose ends after my company went into liquidation, it made me reflect on the life I once led and the one I lead now.

So Samantha Crumpets made a pile on government contracts but, as soon as the Canbra Treasury spigot was turned off, she couldn’t make a living.
Says it all.

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2023 8:12 am

Last week in QLD, the Australian Taxpayers Alliance held a meeting and invited three LNP politicians to speak, one of whom was Amanda Stoker.

Amanda has sold her soul to the Liberal Party.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 8:19 am

The Voice is in a way, a throwback to a bunch of unelected aristocracy deciding what’s best, for them.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 28, 2023 8:19 am

to try and cool the reef down and protect the coral from bleaching

Jennifer Marohasy has a post a few days ago that confirms the bleaching data is rubbish, just an artefact of a shoddy way of measuring it.

Invitation to Visit Mass Coral Bleaching, and see the Fishes (WUWT, 24 Jun)

But guess what: the assessment team never actually visited any of the reefs that were reported as bleached/dead and dying. The experts relied for their stories about the bleaching from the flybys that score the state of the corals out an aeroplane window from an altitude of 150 metres.

I’ve tried that. You can’t see much. To know the state of the corals you need to get in and under-the-water.

The reef she visited in the supposed bleached and dead zone looks crappy from 150 m altitude but when you get close to the surface you can see it’s actually vibrant and beautiful. And even better when diving.

Expect more of this stupid climate screeching about da Reef with the coming el Nino.

Cassie of Sydney
June 28, 2023 8:20 am

“Amanda has sold her soul to the Liberal Party”

Worse, she has form. She’s a lightweight, but worse, infinitely worse, she has no spine.

Cassie of Sydney
June 28, 2023 8:21 am

“Recommended charges?
Why not simply charge her themselves?
This sounds like more “any day now” from the NSW old lady taserers hoping to scare someone into a blathering confession.”

Correct.

will
will
June 28, 2023 8:21 am

One can only hope Gilas. Further to the Western woke cancer, a few days ago, in Seattle, New York and other cities across the West, to celebrate LGBTQI+ “pride” month, naked men walked down streets, fully exposing their genitalia and performing lewd acts in front of children.

I wonder if there were any similar pride marches in Moscow or St Petersburg? I suspect not.

Nah. Too cold.

shatterzzz
June 28, 2023 8:22 am

Amazing how much plod knows about these folk .. after the event! .. why aren’t they dealing with them when still active? ..
We need a”wet” squad .. sub contract to ASIO if plod too squeamish .. best evidence available appears to come out in their eulogy ..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12237319/Alen-Moradian-shooting-Bondi-Estranged-wife-Natasha-Youkhana-mourns-husbands-murder.html

bons
bons
June 28, 2023 8:22 am

Interesting case Stoker.
She was done over by sleazy McGrath and the clan chiefs, yet she remains loyal to their autocracy.
Message for ya sweety. They ain’t never going to let you back in.

Vicki
Vicki
June 28, 2023 8:27 am

Thanks Gez , I hadn’t heard of gypsum to rub out a fox. Gotta say I would be worried about birds & other wildlife ingesting it. We don’t have a dog, so that wouldn’t be a problem. I think we may have solved the problem with the electric wire, although yesterday I realised that the door to the yard was unprotected from an excavation by the marauder.

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2023 8:27 am

… in Tasmania, you could self identify as aboriginal as long as a group accepted you.

Two of the High Court’s criteria for determining who is an aboriginal, the third being proof of biological descent. Acceptance by elders of an aboriginal community/group can become quite political given the perpetuation of grievances by the clan structure. You don’t want to be descended from someone who got on the wrong side of the ruling family two generations ago. I believe that’s where Lambie’s claim floundered.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 28, 2023 8:28 am

You won’t hear much from Munty while the Taylor Swift tickets are on sale.

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2023 8:33 am

Bons,
Goldilocks Stoker’s future with the SFL;

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 28, 2023 8:34 am

Daily Mail.

EXCLUSIVE: Moment key architect of the Voice and Yes campaigner is forced to back down on plans to change the date of Australia Day as his damning tweets are exposed: ‘I support celebrating the nation’

Thomas Mayo tweeted Voice would advise on Australia Day
He said date could change to day of referendum
Now, he says he ‘no longer shares that view’
Do you have a politics tip

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 28, 2023 8:35 am

Julian Sands found. Didn’t know he was missing. Another vaccine victim???
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-64328590

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2023 8:35 am

Damn, link didn’t take, try again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPu73MfXhBY

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 28, 2023 8:43 am

Acceptance by elders of an aboriginal community/group can become quite political

Going rate for acceptance by the elders, in the Kimberlys a few years ago, was three cartons of VB.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 8:43 am

As long as you can prove biological descent from a group claiming to have hidden Aboriginal ancestry.
DNA doesn’t come in to it either, as lots of people with lineage don’t have any DNA, that’s hit and miss, apparently.

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2023 8:46 am

DNA doesn’t come in to it either, as lots of people with lineage don’t have any DNA, that’s hit and miss, apparently

Correct, DNA of any ethnicity can disappear from a particular individual over time…documentary proof, including family records.

Vicki
Vicki
June 28, 2023 8:47 am

Celebrity GP Nick Coatsworth revealed on Ch9 this morning that he is getting over his 3rd Covid infection. Karl Stephanovic who has often expressed healthy scepticism about the vaccines inquired how this could be after presumably regular boosters. Coatsworth burbled on about it now being a regular circulating virus – whatever that is.

But in another scary development Coatsworth extolled the news that there was developing treatment of Long Covid via switching off some, I think he said “aging gene”! While that sounds interesting – no thanks!!!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 28, 2023 8:47 am

Every living President is a descendant of slaveholders … except Donald Trump

By adam creighton
Washington Correspondent
@Adam_Creighton
7:38AM June 28, 2023
10 Comments

Former President Donald Trump is the only living president not descended from slave owners, according to a new investigation by Reuters that highlights the significant share of top US politicians whose ancestors owned slaves.

Five living current and former US presidents, including Barack Obama and Joe Biden, were descended from men who together owned 83 slaves, including 54 attributed to ancestors of Jimmy Carter and 25 to those of George Bush.

The revelations come as far-left Democrats call for $US14 trillion in national reparation payments for black Americans as compensations for slavery and discrimination.
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Former presidents Obama, who owned slaves through his white mother’s family, and Clinton declined to comment on the findings.

“The White House had no comment on … Biden’s ancestral ties to slavery. The president’s great-great-great-grandfather enslaved a 14-year-old boy in 1850, census records show,” Reuters said.

Henry Louis Gates Jr, a professor at Harvard University who focuses on African-American issues, told Reuters the findings were “a learning opportunity for each individual … for their constituency … and for the American people as a whole”

“It’s just to say: Look at how closely linked we are to the institution of slavery, and how it informed the lives of the ancestors of people who represent us in the United States Congress today”.

Donald Trump’s family immigrated to the US in the 19th century from Europe after slavery was abolished.

A push for formal reparation payments to black Americans gained movement after the killing of black Minneapolis resident George Floyd by police in May 2020, which triggered widespread riots across the country and fuelled a Black Lives Matter movement.

Last month Democrat congresswoman Cori Bush and Rashida Tlaib introduced a bill to provide trillions in reparations for black Americans – who numbered around 47 million in 2021 according to Pew Research – in the form of cash payments and housing investments.

Vicki
Vicki
June 28, 2023 8:49 am

BTW those males who claim Aboriginal heritage should be able to prove that they have been through traditional initiation. That should slow down the claimants!!!!

Jorge
Jorge
June 28, 2023 8:51 am

A hearty good morning to all the luRkertRaitors

Right back at ya. Botham/ Chappelli last night a bit sad. Ian Chappell just can’t let go. Sometimes it happens like that as you age, whereas others soften and see things from the other end of the telescope.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 8:55 am

Many African Americans would be descendants of slave owners, far more likely than white Americans, particularly if their families emigrated post civil war (obviously).
I reckon descendants of slave owners should get reparations garnishee orders
Who cares if it ends up a round robin?

johanna
johanna
June 28, 2023 8:55 am

While many here were applying their geopolitical skilz (!) to Wussia and all that, I was musing on a comment from someone who saw Dragon in the 70s, when Marc Hunter kept falling off the stage.

I’ve said before that they were a magnificent live act in the 80s at the Bondi Wifeswapper. Have done some research in the meantime.

By way of background, they were always associated with the smack scene. A couple of members died from overdoses early on. Originally from UnZud, and going back and forth, the scuttlebut was that the odd baggie or three or more was stashed in the equipment, whether for personal or commercial purposes.

Marc Hunter was a force of nature. His older brother Todd co-founded the band with another singer. Then Marc joined, and he was very charismatic and talented, but a loose cannon of epic proportions. Plus a drunk and a junkie. It got so bad, big brother Todd sacked him from the band.

That was when our commenters saw them – late 70s. But, Marc was forced to at least significantly clean up his act, they got the residency at the Swap, and of course made their biggest and best hit, Rain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeAaItg2_OY

I saw them quite a few times in the early/mid 80s, and they were very good indeed. Usually the finale was April Sun in Cuba, which everyone sang along to. The standard of musicianship and the enthusiasm was high.

OK, it is politically incorrect for this readership, but I guarantee it never changed a single person’s views about politics. It was and is just a good, rollicking song.

The official version is that Marc Hunter died at age 44 of throat cancer. The gossip in the biz was that he died of an AIDS related condition from sharing needles.

Whatever. I will never forget seeing him perform. Heading for destruction, glowing in the dark. Shine on you crazy garnet.

Glad I never met him, though.

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2023 8:58 am

Many African Americans would be descendants of slave owners, far more likely than white Americans…

Black Marxist reparations activist Angela Davis was recently identified as one such.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 28, 2023 8:58 am

Which makes the concept of his ‘stealing’ them impossible as they were his documents to remove in the first place and he did it while still in office.

The now famous quote about “now I can’t” sounds like it might well have been him laying out a hypothetical by way of explanation. People are less precise in casual conversation.

How often do you hear people say “If I would have done this then…” Type III conditionals (past hypothetical) use past perfect in the subordinate clause and ‘would’+past participle in the main clause. (If I had done x then y would have happened) yet people, in conversation they get sloppy. And it was a casual conversation, not a legal submission.*

Anyway, hadn’t NARA vetted documents and were in discussions about returning some – not very espionage-y if they knew he had them and he had not concealed such to them.

*Reminds me a bit of the ‘pussy grabbing’ thing that was supposed to be an admission that he did so. To me it always sounded like exaggeration to make a point (which, again, we do in casual conversations) like saying that someone will ‘give you the shirt off their back’, or ‘worked until he dropped’. Talking about groupies and how they will accept being treated then saying that they will let you walk straight up to them and grab them by their…well, it communicates a lot with just a few words.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 8:59 am

It’s now an endemic illness, as opposed to a pandemic.
As expected, just another member of the winter shelf of coughs and colds.
Get vaccinated, don’t get vaccinated, same choice as for whatever the current flu variant is.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 28, 2023 8:59 am

Dotsays:
June 27, 2023 at 11:06 pm
There is a good argument for Australian rearmament on a large scale. China is a threat and not being beholden to America is a good thing.

Yes, it would cost a lot of money but I can find the money and have some left over for debt consolidation and tax cuts. G/GDP can easily be 15% to 20% and no more.

There are multiple reasons to do this:

We have neglected the military for a long time to the point of routinely having undermanned regiments.
China is very expansionist and aggressive.
We would be able to deal with state and non-state piracy which affects our trade routes and counter asymmetric hard power by unsavoury states.

I’ve recently supported the idea of the large-scale adoption of drones, nukes and a large militia. I still support that.

The question is if the voters would support spending about 8% of GDP on defence instead of 2%.

I mean three regular corps of the army, plus a reserve.
A Navy four times the size of what we have, to match the Army.
The airforce expanded similarly.

I would rather pay upfront than pay later for an unspecified amount.

A few points.

Australia needs all of land , maritime and air defence. Trite, but needs to be said. That said, the priorities must go to maritime and air defence.

A regular army of three corps would require up to at least 200,000 personnel. That is a lot of people to take out of the workforce. A smaller regular army, with a large (200,000, to be provocative) militia would force any nation contemplating an offensive landing to transport a much larger force here. It would remove far fewer people from the full time workforce.

At that point air and maritime forces (some of which could be regular soldiers operating lung range A2/AD missiles) have a wonderful choice of targets. A target rich environment, to use the jargon.

Similarly, regular soldiers have a limited role in anti-piracy operations. Surface ships are the preferred method, supported by airborne reconnaissance. The actual scale is open to debate, but the priority for maritime and air defence should not be.

johanna
johanna
June 28, 2023 9:00 am

dover, I just upticked someone (who already had upticks) and it registered as a downtick.

What do these puerile idiots think thay are proving?

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 28, 2023 9:03 am

Two of the High Court’s criteria for determining who is an aboriginal, the third being proof of biological descent. Acceptance by elders of an aboriginal community/group can become quite political given the perpetuation of grievances by the clan structure. You don’t want to be descended from someone who got on the wrong side of the ruling family two generations ago. I believe that’s where Lambie’s claim floundered.

Psssh …. screw that, just state that you ‘Identify’ as aboriginal. If a man can become a woman simply by ‘identifying’ as one, the precedent is well and truly set.

Muses – we might need to add ‘AI’ (aboriginal identifying) to the ever growing chain of characters of the QWERTY people.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 28, 2023 9:05 am

feelthebernsays:
June 27, 2023 at 11:43 pm

In the meantime, this story on the subs illustrates the point.

Dreadnoughts and Virginias: why is Australia paying more than twice the price for submarines?

bern

I suspect that a fair bit of the “twice the price” is because the numbers quoted are full life cycle costs, not simply the construction cost.

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2023 9:07 am

Psssh …. screw that, just state that you ‘Identify’ as aboriginal.

Believe it or not, there’s a push for just that based on the claim that having to prove a biological connection is racist.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 28, 2023 9:08 am

The official version is that Marc Hunter died at age 44 of throat cancer. The gossip in the biz was that he died of an AIDS related condition from sharing needles.

I was a big Dragon fan back in the late 70s/early mid 80s. Hunter oozed charisma, but also oozed a few other substances. My brother told me of when he and a mate saw Dragon in late 78 at the Punchbowl Sundowner (now a Croation Club). He was at the front and saw that Marc’s ankles were so purple and swollen he was on stage wearing Grosby slippers because of the pain.

His brother, Todd, sacked him from the band soon after. He cleaned himself up somewhat and they reformed in 82 where I saw them at the Revesby Workers. Wonderful concert, after which I went to my car in a side-street to find that a patron had chundered all over my windscreen. Happy days.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 28, 2023 9:10 am

Julian Sands found. Didn’t know he was missing. Another vaccine victim???
Matt Rendell was found unconscious on Monday morning, still hasn’t woken up.
One of the problems with Myocarditis is that it can be symptomless, but once it’s diagnosed, any exercise is ruled out.
If you don’t know you’ve got it, hiking in the woods is certain to end in disaster.

sfw
sfw
June 28, 2023 9:13 am

I saw Dragon and Marc Hunter once at a pub near the old Laverton Speedway in Vic, can’t remember the name of the place. It was one of those big beer hall type pubs from the 60’s and 70’s. Anyway they were up there playing, the song was ‘Are you old enough’. Being Laverton and at that time, there were plenty of young girls there, I reckon half were under 16, nobody checked or cared much about them.
Marc was front stage singing the chorus to the front row of possibly 16yo girls. He loved it and they loved it. They were literally throwing themselves at him, I’m sure they were lined up for him and the band after the show.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 9:15 am

And in yet another demonstration of Australian Passport Office’s world renowned efficiency my new passport has arrived, application lodged last Tuesday morning, shiny new passport signed for at 8.34 this morning.

Crossie
Crossie
June 28, 2023 9:16 am

rosie says:
June 28, 2023 at 7:46 am
Doesn’t have an Australian flag at the Top of its home page but it does have a flag.
a visa mill?

You got it. I would close down each and every one of these so-called colleges. As far as I am concerned, if local students were forced to learn remotely during the covid lockdowns international students can do the same for an Australian education. No need to come here on a tourist visa which soon turns into a permanent residency.

If they want to experience Australia they can holiday here like we do elsewhere.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 28, 2023 9:17 am

Anyone who got vaccinated or boostered needs to be checked for Myocarditis.
Yeah, your life is gonna be pretty sedentary after that, but it beats the alternative.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 9:20 am

Everyone who got covid needs to be checked for myocarditis.

Rabz
June 28, 2023 9:21 am

Thanks Gez , I hadn’t heard of gypsum to rub out a fox.

Vicki, Gez may have been “pulling your leg” so to speak.

Having said that, we now know what an incredibly toxic substance gypsum is, thanks to a certain contrarian on this esteemed blogue.

cohenite
June 28, 2023 9:23 am

I’m saying that because he (or some commentators) seem to believe there are special rights for presidents regarding classified docs, there are not.

Alright, it’s confirmed, you’re a fu.king idiot. The President is covered by the PRA; NO ONE ELSE IS! End of fu.king story.

lotocoti
lotocoti
June 28, 2023 9:24 am

Proper hydration is vital when you’re on the disco biscuits.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2023 9:24 am

Wow, who could have thought a government program would turn out to have crap consequences?
Again.

Morrison government HomeBuilder scheme ‘overheated’ construction, blindsided states and lacked controls.

Its a Morriswine stuffup, so at least it will get reported.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/morrison-government-scheme-homebuilder-over-heated-construction/102521874
HomeBuilder was one of the Morrison government’s signature COVID-19 policies, but multiple previously secret reports found it blindsided the states, “overheated” the construction sector and lacked appropriate governance, record-keeping or reporting.

The COVID-era scheme brought forward a huge amount of construction work.

The scheme was originally budgeted to cost $688 million when announced in June 2020, but the final bill jumped to more than $2.3 billion by the time it was shut down.

Anything to avoid getting the word “recession’ in a headline, even if it meant stacking national debt to the moon and back.

Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2023 9:27 am
Rabz
June 28, 2023 9:27 am

From the Oz:
Beryl armed and ready for her ICAC battle
Optus executive Beryl Gladyschlocklian has a couple of strategies up her sleeves and they depend on how ICAC describes her public conduct when she was NSW premier*.

Once more, for emphasis:

Optus executive Beryl Gladyschlocklian

Swahili chieftain Eddles Casevich

*Utterly incompetent, infuriating and blatantly hitlerist would be my description.

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2023 9:29 am

Johanna, I was the one who posted the comment on Dragon performing, or not, in the seventies.
Like I said though, good times. It was an experience and more than forty years later I have some good stories to tell. The seventies Oz pub scene was the greatest era for Aussie bands and their fans.

Anecdotally, only a few years before Dragon took off, they were playing High School Formals in the western Sydney area. A friend at Plumpton High said they weren’t bad value at her Formal.

Crossie
Crossie
June 28, 2023 9:30 am

words that weren’t even uttered by McGain, as he was holding the microphone, and for that crime he was exposed by the Guardian, and then cancelled by his own, the chicken little LNP. So now Barclay McGain is persona non grata, tainted, unclean. And the end result, the meeting went ahead, but Stoker and her LNP buddies didn’t show up, chicken littles that they are. Stoker, if she truly was a formidable woman, a la Thatcher, would have said to Riley, get f*cked, I’m attending.

My guess would be that Stoker and colleagues are scared of the young and upcoming conservatives who have ideas and attitude. These young people could easily replace them so they must be neutered. It’s disgusting how instead of mentoring the new generation they are pulling the ladder up behind themselves.

Dot
Dot
June 28, 2023 9:30 am

Everyone who got covid needs to be checked for myocarditis.

I agree.

What we need is an anonymised release of the public health data.

At a minimum

Age sex BMI/peak flow respiration other ailments & prior licit and illicit drug use/medications (before and after COVID/vaccines)
Vaccine status, WHICH vaccine and how many & what dates
The dates of ailments
Cause of death
Possible genetic predisposition
Autopsy findings
BP/cholesterol/hardened arteries/myocarditis/pericarditis/AF/VF/prior heart attacks
COVID infections & other respiratory/cardiac problems with dates incurred
Medical interventions used

To waste this data would be tragic.

Crossie
Crossie
June 28, 2023 9:33 am

bons says:
June 28, 2023 at 8:22 am
Interesting case Stoker.
She was done over by sleazy McGrath and the clan chiefs, yet she remains loyal to their autocracy.
Message for ya sweety. They ain’t never going to let you back in.

Costing them a senate vote in helping to oust senator Van from the party is not going to endear her to anybody except Labor and the Greens,

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2023 9:35 am

Correct, DNA of any ethnicity can disappear from a particular individual over time…

I should clarify that…DNA doesn’t indicate ethnicity as such; it indicates that an individual shares certain genetic markers with others from a particular region, from which ethnicity can be deduced (or you could look in the mirror and make a reasonable deduction!). The problem with indigenous Australian DNA is that the pool of samples isn’t large enough for the genetic information to be used in that way.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2023 9:37 am

Note the shift from
Free renewable energy to “short term massive costs, then free energy”?

Good long-term, short-term costly
From the beginning of the new financial year on Saturday, benchmark electricity prices will rise more than 20 per cent in south-east Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia.

Offers available in the broader market are expected to rise even further.
….

Peter Kerr, an energy expert who runs Perth-based advisory ATA Consulting, says the price pain is driving ever-growing numbers of households and businesses to seek relief in green tech such as solar panels.

He says it is the case across the entire electricity system, as the country attempts to go green and cut the link to volatile coal and gas markets.*
….
St Vincent de Paul policy and research manager Gavin Dufty says the progress is undoubtedly a good thing.**

He says that in many ways the country has secured the easy gains by plugging wind and solar capacity into a system that still largely runs on fossil fuels.

But Mr Dufty says the going is likely to be much harder in future as coal-fired power, in particular, exits the system in a rush over the next 10 years or so.

He says consumers should brace for a “new normal” in which upwards pressure on power prices lingers for years.
….

On top of this, he says pushback from communities against projects will add extra time and cost to getting things done.***
……

Finally, Mr Dufty says expanding Australia’s multi billion-dollar network of poles and wires will come at massive expense and notes that the industry was given guaranteed rates of profit by regulators.****

Network costs typically make up between a third and 50 per cent of a household power bill.

“All the poles-and-wires companies across Australia are regulated monopolies,” Mr Dufty says.

* Lying weasels gunna weasel. The costs are because spastic turbomongs huffing glue on the east Coast effectively banned onshore gas. Combined with, as mentioned further on, pols ‘n wires

**Another skin suit, capering about demanding respect based on work done before it was hollowed out.

*** See Farmer gez, you wreckers and Kulaks are responsible!!!!
…..
****remember the bad old days of “gold plated poles and wires” being bad things? Good times, good times.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 28, 2023 9:39 am

She was done over by sleazy McGrath and the clan chiefs, yet she remains loyal to their autocracy.

Gimme a break.
McGrath is a country Senator, where all the LNP support is.
Dropping him to #3 spot woulda been nuts, that’s why they didn’t do it.

Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2023 9:40 am

Finally, something close to home is waking people up!

New York City Hall Pelted With Pizza in Anti-Woke Wood Oven Backlash

shatterzzz
June 28, 2023 9:41 am

Psssh …. screw that, just state that you ‘Identify’ as aboriginal.

I thought that was how it worked .. been surprised at posts stating “qualification” needs …!

Which reminds me .. this 10 pound tourist notching up 56 years Oz time today ……..!

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 28, 2023 9:42 am

Costing them a senate vote in helping to oust senator Van from the party is not going to endear her to anybody except Labor and the Greens,
Stoker got Peter Dutton outta a hole by fingering the Van-ster.
Without her it mighta dragged on for weeks, sucking all the oxygen outta the No campaign.

cohenite
June 28, 2023 9:43 am

Following on from what Trump allegedly said which allegedly incriminates him; latest from the human pervert:

Joe Biden: “I was just thanking the… Anyway… I started off without you… And I sold a lot of state secrets and a lot of very important things we shared.”

Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2023 9:43 am
Roger
Roger
June 28, 2023 9:44 am

Morrison government HomeBuilder scheme ‘overheated’ construction, blindsided states and lacked controls.

The states handled the approvals.

A lot of blame to go around here.

Speaking of which, where’s Josh?

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 28, 2023 9:45 am

Rogersays:
June 28, 2023 at 9:07 am
Psssh …. screw that, just state that you ‘Identify’ as aboriginal.

Believe it or not, there’s a push for just that based on the claim that having to prove a biological connection is racist.

“Activists” aren’t deep thinkers, are they? Once that is accepted, pretty much anyone born more than two generations into Australia, and a lot of only the first generation born here, can claim “indigenous” status, destroying what little value that status has outside of the remote communities.

And the whole concept of the InVoice.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 28, 2023 9:45 am

I won’t engage in what-about-Clinton/Obama/****. Lets see how Donald goes in court.

No, you won’t engage in that egregious failure to apply the law equally to other Presidents, and to apply the Presidential elements regarding not holding declassificatory powers to those who were not at that time Presidential (Hillary, Biden VP), nor to other Presidents who hold documents in very insecure places. Trump has been entirely within his rights to hold certain documents and return them at his pleasure and to speak about holding them. I imagine one could dig up plenty of similar conversations from the Democrat candidates for lawfare, but as we know, they are a protected species. As for Courts – this is a stich up and you know it and everyone else knows it.

I expect you thought that Cardinal Pell was guilty too. No Court is infallible and too many these days are very subject to influence.

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 9:48 am

Duty reminding me why I have refused to donate to St Vincent’s for many years.
I won’t ask how much they are paying him.
Meanwhile at Vinnies you can buy eco compressed wood to heat your home.
Only $14.95 for 10kg

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 28, 2023 9:49 am

Terrific edition of Quadrant July/August combined has arrived on our doorstep. It also notifies that another August issue will be online, about The Voice, and free to all comers. Tell your family and friends. Keep an eye out for it, no doubt areff will be in with some reminders too, closer to the date.

Dot
Dot
June 28, 2023 9:50 am

First world problems

From Medium.

Honest Talk About Cis Gay Men Who Aren’t Attracted to Trans Men

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 28, 2023 9:50 am

Finally, something close to home is waking people up!

New York City Hall Pelted With Pizza in Anti-Woke Wood Oven Backlash

The second stage of the outrage rocket is about to fire: NYC has just been given permission to charge all drivers $23 to enter the city.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 28, 2023 9:50 am

I wonder what Trumpy did on his visits to Epstein Island?

Anyone wanna hazard a guess?

rosie
rosie
June 28, 2023 9:55 am

One of my ancestors was born in Van Diemen’s Land in 1842, I don’t have any forbears that arrived in Australia later than 1880.
A lot of aboriginals have much more recent and closer ties to other countries.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 28, 2023 9:57 am

rosie

Don’t just sit there posting comments, claim your indigenous status, and try out for a position on the InVoice.

Rabz
June 28, 2023 10:03 am

I wonder what Trumpy did on his visits to Epstein Island?

Jizzlaine didn’t fill you in, Eddles?

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2023 10:04 am

Duty reminding me why I have refused to donate to St Vincent’s for many years. I won’t ask how much they are paying him.

I take it Vinnies is no longer run by parish based laymen, but has been corporatised.

P
P
June 28, 2023 10:04 am

ACT Government to spend $50 million on transfer of Calvary hospital
28 June 2023

There will be nearly $50 million spent on the transfer of Calvary Public Hospital Bruce, the ACT Government’s Budget papers have revealed. Source: Canberra Times.

The Barr Government will also spend $64 million over the next two years on the design work for a new hospital for the Bruce site.

The new hospital is a key commitment in the territory’s 2023-24 Budget, which is expected to cost $1 billion and be finished by 2030.

Health Minister Rachel Stephen-Smith told the Assembly on Tuesday that more than 1500 staff from the Bruce hospital had committed to transferring to Canberra Health Services. This is about 84 per cent of the workforce.

“Due to ongoing negotiations, the estimates for 2023-24 does not include the impact of transitioning services at the North Canberra Hospital from Calvary Healthcare to Canberra Health Services,” Budget papers say.

The Budget has also revealed plans for a new palliative care ward at Canberra Hospital. There will be $15.5 million spent over the next four years and the ward will have 12 beds.

There will also be $1.6 million spent over two years to design a voluntary euthanasia scheme for the ACT.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 28, 2023 10:04 am

Maybe I’m aboriginal. My brother-in-law was the son of a genuinely aboriginal woman, and I mixed in those circles as a young girl out in far Western Sydney. Thus my nephew and his daughter have good claim to be indigenous via father and grandfather respectively, and they are part of my wider family. I am their ‘Aunty’, an elder for the whole kit and kaboodle of them, for goodness sake. I’ve also got an adopted Sri Lankan niece and a grandson with Philippine heritage on his mother’s side. Oh, and lots of strongly-identifying Maori rellies as well, married into the part-aboriginal group via my nephew’s first partner and their offspring.

So, do I tick the box and apply for relief from my colonial oppression and inter-generational disadvantage? Looks as though others similarly connected are so doing.

Lizzie B, proud Dharug elder. Sounds good. Better than some, more solid than Pascoe.

Nope. Sounds stupid to me. Won’t do it, but I bet I could.

MatrixTransform
June 28, 2023 10:06 am

PwC Australia is imploding

last week we sat beside the trucks on Southbank near the PWC office
enjoying our beer we were entertained by some exec on like the 10th floor
probably 6:30pm and only his office lights were on
he was having a phone conv and was pacing and gesticulating
pulling his hair out

we speculated that it was either his wife or ASIO on the other end of the line

cohenite
June 28, 2023 10:07 am

I wonder what Trumpy did on his visits to Epstein Island?

Anyone wanna hazard a guess?

He didn’t go there crotchless. He’s just about the only one from slick willy to billy gates who didn’t. Now stop drinking gin so early.

Dot
Dot
June 28, 2023 10:09 am

There is a remote possibility that I am in fact a proud Kamilaroi man.

Now, that’s probably like turning up at St Andrew’s to play a social round of 18 with a British Duke and Russian Grand Prince and boasting that your father was a Baronet.

Malcolm Turnbull probably claims to be a proud Eora. I suspect there will be an equal amount of snobbery and faux pas in this field as there was at Eton, King’s College and Westminster.

  1. Bit of cultural pushback here in Queanbeyan. It’s as multi-culti as it gets, in terms of composition. I’m not sure…

  2. Roughly half Australia’s population hadn’t been born the last time the country had a major problem with inflation in the…

  3. Ah she doesn’t like Christians eh? Maybe she should change her first name to Aisha then.

  4. That there are enough saddos with lots of money to go to these charlatans’ places of business and hand over…

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