Open Thread – Mon 4 Sept 2023
1,386 responses to “Open Thread – Mon 4 Sept 2023”
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“thefrollickingmole
Sep 6, 2023 5:23 PM”That scene still gives me the heebie-jeebies. Olivier was simply sensational. I remember reading a story about how Olivier and Hoffman prepared for the roles and that scene. It reflected the difference between Olivier and Hoffman’s acting styles, between a young American “method” actor, and an old established British actor. Olivier was an old-fashioned actor who learnt his lines and “acted”, whereas Hoffman learnt his trade at the actor’s studio, using method acting where you were supposed to “live” the character in order to act the character. Ridiculous! The story is that whilst working on Marathon Man, Hoffman stayed awake for three days so that he could play a sleep-deprived character. On hearing this, Olivier’s response to Hoffman was…..
“My dear boy, why don’t you just try acting?”
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In the wake of Channel 7’s shocking Spotlight investigation last Sunday into the transgender epidemic, join me as I talk to a mother who has successfully fought the BigPharma gender cult to protect her two daughters.
“There’s a conveyor belt of trans radical activists in who have infiltrated the state (QLD) of departments of health, schooling, education and social services.”
I doubt it only happens in Queensland.
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lotocoti
Sep 6, 2023 2:38 PM
The Moskva, a first class naval vessel was taken out by some very mediocre missilesFFS
Moskva was a first class naval vessel back when I were young.
With forty years of paint, a careless smoker could’ve sent her to the bottom.Many naval ships are operational for decades. It was the most powerful ship in the Black Sea and for Russia is a first class naval vessel; which isn’t saying much giving the Kuznetsov will probably never sail again, it has submarines rusting away in port, and China can build more ships in a year than Russia in a decade. Your comment supports my contention that the Russian military is woefully under resourced. A careless smoker could send it to the bottom because the firefighting equipment has probably been pilfered.
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Earlier in week Peter Gleeson on 4BC mentioned something not seen mentioned anywhere else.
Said at end of Brisbane Festival Riverfire show there was a drone display. Final thing showed was words Always was, Always Will be Meenjin.
Anybody watch it or have video of it. Comes after Premier months ago had denied any move to change the name of Brisbane.
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FischerKing
@FischerKing64
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4h
Lawyers at Williams & Connolly spent 3 years working aggressively to spare serial killer Ted Bundy (at least 36 murdered women across 6 states) from the electric chair.But a guy who walked into the Capitol Building? Major firms want nothing to do with those scumbags.
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Mark from Melbourne…part human, part cyborg.
Why, oh why can’t I get “Jaws” out of my mind? ?
Calli (she of the fake knee… something I am being forced to reluctantly consider!), are you related to SWMBO? Or are all birthing people just drawn, somehow, to James Bond references?
(I didn’t mention the ear trumpets… well, perhaps once, but I’m sure she missed it)
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And it seems in Melbourne there are a few anti-woke lawyers:
The Women Barristers Association has lashed out at a mock notice posted in the lift of a prestigious law chambers, claiming the flyer was intended to ridicule female lawyers and saying the fight for women’s rights has “not ended”.
The notice, pinned to a lift in Melbourne’s Owen Dixon Chambers, advertised the fake “Men in Law Awards” which included categories for “most woke counsel” and “best virtue-signalling counsel”.
Other categories included:
least offensive counsel;
best beard worn by counsel under 5 years call;
best beard worn by counsel over 15 years call;
counsel with the best virtue signalling ‘signature’ statement (he, him, it, they dilligaf, acknowledgment of prior claims to land, etc.)“The Men in Law Awards, in conjunction with various stakeholders and a panel of leading pseudo professionals, have developed a robust awards methodology to form the backbone for assessing, analysing and benchmarking Victoria’s leading legal professionals,” the notice read.
“Sadly this expertise will not be called upon in judging such nominations.”
The notice concluded by saying “Men: Bring a plate. Women: BYO”.
Not everyone saw humour in the notice, with the WBA swiftly issuing a statement condemning the “discriminatory” flyer, and saying it was an attack on the Women in Law Awards.
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Dover, you gave me the first link. I read most of it. I searched for cable and came up with four hits. None of those suggested what you implied.
Your second link appears quite copious with numerous links to papers. Where exactly is the evidence the US lied from the very beginning? I have a bit of trading stuff going on and no time for lengthy reading.
JC, the first link established that US made a commitment to not expand NATO eastward when negotiating German reunification between ’89-’91, etc., and the next link establishes that the same administration was already considering eastward expansion of NATO as a means of heading off any independent European foreign policy emerging and that a consensus was achieved by ’92. It’s right there in the first page and then the second section.
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Not to mention 800 people dying because he hired a bungling “security” firm for hotel quarantine.
Something that had a stench of protected people in high places IMO and never fully investigated by journalists who had a sniff of deeper things early on.
The Company had delisted subsidiaries with recommendations of charges from the Feds or NSW plod from my memories. The links also from what I could see at that time, now disappeared off the net had one of the directors on one of the state’s security licencing boards.
Both Credlin and Murray were doing one of those “big things” talks lead ups to breaking open potential corruption that went dead very quickly. Was widely discussed on the Cat at the time and I still can’t help feeling both sides of the isle had their hands in the cookie jar here.
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Phyllis Schlafly Month #1 The Anti Feminist
Sound familiar? It’s the same playbook for every group. Divide and conquer.
“The feminist movement is not about success for women. It is about treating women as victims and about telling women that you can’t succeed because society is unfair to you, and I think that’s a very unfortunate idea to put in the minds of young women because I believe women can do whatever they want.”
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JC, the first link established that US made a commitment to not expand NATO eastward when negotiating German reunification between ’89-’91, etc., and the next link establishes that the same administration was already considering eastward expansion of NATO as a means of heading off any independent European foreign policy emerging and that a consensus was achieved by ’92. It’s right there in the first page and then the second section.
Okay, I read nearly all of the second link. It’s most obviously true that NATO has become much bigger, but I’ve yet to read anything about how the US was acting deviously with cables, verifying your claim that this occurred even during the negotiations with the Sovs. Your second link talks about the US concern that Europe would go its own way, and this was seen as problematic for the Americans. I can also suggest the other concern the US has about Europe: the two world wars in which it was forced to intervene. This latter point was raised numerous times in the 90s.
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You know, the pain over the last day and a bit has reduced me to tears. I swear, there’s nothing worse than tooth pain.
Cassie, I’ve had two separate root canals this year on two separate teeth. Front tooth expensive but straightforward. Back molar complicated, painful and still not finished.
You expect when you pay lots of money for something it will be a pleasurable experience. With root canal you pay thousands two have someone pound your teeth and jaw for an hour at a time. I can think of lots of other ways to blow a few thousand bucks.
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Not everyone saw humour in the notice, with the WBA swiftly issuing a statement condemning the “discriminatory” flyer, and saying it was an attack on the Women in Law Awards.
Yeah. Aforementioned Marque Lawyers – 80% female/ladies, most all of them look <35yo.
It'd be an absolute hell workplace for anybody who had a sense of humour.
(or perhaps one big long endorphin fuelled trolling session – at least right up until the HR tribunal hearing & the summary termination) -
Good rant. If you don’t like the channel, f*ck off!*
* Most are bots.
Rumble is now getting flooded by them, too. Pricks to those hitting the enter button.
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Reverend Simon Sideways:
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The identity and ethnicity of the vandals will, I assume, remain a mystery:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-06/barkly-bushfire-volunteers-vehicles-stolen-damaged/102822148
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REAL Reason Birmingham DECLARED Bankruptcy
Stories today which just might be connected in some inscrutable way. 😀
Labour Party-Run Birmingham Council Declares Effective Bankruptcy (6 Sep)
In the latest example of a Labour Party-run area running out of money, Birmingham City Council issued a spending freeze Section 114 notice, meaning that the local government of England’s second-largest city will only be able to dole out funds to maintain core services
Birmingham Mosque Has £2 Million Govt Grant Suspended over Shocking Islamist Sermons (5 Sep)
A £2 million government grant to a controversial Mosque has been suspended amid outcry over extremist Islamist statements made by its imams including apparently advocating for stoning women to death for adultery and waging jihad against unbelievers.
I admit personal prejudice since it was in Birmingham that I had the worst takeaway hamburger I’ve ever encountered. Food in Britain is a great reason for emigrating to the colonies. It seems an enduring talent.
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You expect when you pay lots of money for something it will be a pleasurable experience. With root canal you pay thousands two have someone pound your teeth and jaw for an hour at a time. I can think of lots of other ways to blow a few thousand bucks.
If your root canals are so excruciating, you’re seeing the wrong dentist. Ex dental nurse.
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Good on her!
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Senator Claire Chandler:
Former Labor Prime Minister, Julia Gillard was recently asked, ‘What is a woman?’
Ms Gillard’s response was that the question was a ‘gotcha parlour game’.
But it is no game. The reason people ask leaders this question is that women’s single-sex spaces and sports depend on it.
Tuesday, 5 September 2023
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Panahi v Sheridan. That was a hoot. Sheridan threw his toys out and had a near meltdown. Panahi made some soothing noises for him and wrapped it up. I was only half listening but S was banging on about 2020 Biden winning fairly. Panahi responded with oh please. As in give me a break. …and off they went. Great to watch.
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Bruce of Newcastle
Sep 6, 2023 6:43 PM
The probability of the Turks being able to bypass the dual key system is minuteBJ – It’s the same argument. What is there to stop a B61 being dismantled? If there’s a detonation fallback then the result would be a political crisis not seen since WW2.
Recall. Paranoids with persecution complexes. Think of all the complex things you could do to protect sensitive processes, then raise those to the hundredth power.
PS, if a foreign nation steals and fiddles with a nuke, which detonates, then the political crisis is theirs, though there would be kickback at the nation that allowed one to be stolen.
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Dover, you mentioned cables going to and from the US foreign policy establishment suggesting the US was acting deviously with the Soviets. It doesn’t appear to be the case.
What your links suggest is that there was a great deal of debate within the various administrations from the breakup up to the very early 00s. You may call it a change of heart, but it doesn’t appear that there were cables directly suggesting the US were lying to the Russians.
There’s this:
It ?nds that no one factor explains the United States’ enlargement consensus. Instead, pervasive US support for enlargement re?ects the con?uence of several international and domestic trends that, collectively, transformed NATO expansion into a lodestone of US foreign relations. Regardless, the development carries a range of consequences for US national security; although enlargement a?orded the United States signi?cant oversight of European security and political developments, it came at the cost of increased tensions and diminished ?exibility with Russia, allied cheap-riding, and US overextension.
The overriding concern for the US was that if Europe was left to its own, there would be a third reason for the US having to go in and fight a third war over there because those morons would be at it again.
You could say the US wasn’t steadfast in its Russian undertakings, but there were no cables to show US intentions were dishonest.
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There’s this:
Immediately after the Cold War, the George H.W. Bush administration spent 2 years quietly exploring the possibility of NATO enlarge-ment internally, yet avoided openly raising the issue for fear of Soviet (and later Russian) opposition, backlash from the United States’ Western European allies, and uncertainties surrounding US public support for the move.
There’s nothing here to suggest they were openly lying even if they were thinking about enlargement. There’s a lot of discourse that occurs within administrations over very important events.
There’s also another thing that I vividly recall about the era. At the time of German unification older Bush received a great deal of criticism from West Germany because the Administration appeared to be very lukewarm to the idea of unification. There was a great deal of criticism leveled against Bush over this issue in the US press. My recollection is very clear on this. It doesn’t show the US acting deviously. They basically didn’t know how to handle the events at the time.
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Also, The US did assist Russia and opened the way for them to behave like a nromal country.
Thirteen months later, on December 25, 1991, Gorbachev resigned and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics dissolved. President Bush and his chief foreign policy advisers were more pro-active toward Russia and the former Soviet republics after the collapse of the Communist monolith than while it was teetering. In a series of summits during the next year with the new Russian President Boris Yeltsin, Bush pledged $4.5-billion to support economic reform in Russia, as well as additional credit guarantees and technical assistance.
The two former Cold War adversaries lifted restrictions on the numbers and movement of diplomatic, consular, and official personnel. They also agreed to continue the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty negotiations (START), begun before the collapse of the Soviet Union, which set a goal of reducing their strategic nuclear arsenals from approximately 12,000 warheads to 3,000-3,500 warheads by 2003. In January 1993, three weeks before leaving office, Bush traveled to Moscow to sign the START II Treaty that codified those nuclear reductions.
It was the klepto who began 20 odd years of grievance mongering culminating in the invasion of Ukraine.
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Classics. Music takes you places.
Halo // The Danish National Symphony Orchestra & Eimear Noone (LIVE)
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From The Oz, January 26th 2023. What fvcking difference will the “Voice” make here?
‘Hard, hard’ reality of life for camp kids in Alice Springs
exclusive
By paige taylor
Indigenous Affairs Correspondent, WA Bureau Chief
@paigeataylor
1:13PM January 26, 2023
207 CommentsIn her life after politics, Bess Nungarrayi Price works with camp kids who have become central to the national debate over chaos in Alice Springs.
She is candid about their lives. The Walpiri grandmother says the camps where children live on the outskirts of town have become “dumps” despite 40 years of government funding. She believes that what many of the children contend with at home would astound most Australians.
“These students, they come from a hard, hard lifestyle situation. Some of them barely have a good night’s sleep and (there is) everything else that happens within those town camps,” she said.
Read NextShe says alcohol – and the business of obtaining it – consumes the camps’ big drinkers. They will obtain it by legal or illegal means.
“People drink every day and they’re drunk by six o’clock in the morning,” she said.
“There’s fights, there’s fist fights that break out. There’s people who are drinking every day who are so noisy, belligerent.
“There’s all this sly grog being sold.”
Ms Price, a former minister in the Northern Territory government and now assistant principal at the independent Yipirinya School in Alice Springs, does not believe an Indigenous voice can fix any of this.
She wants the Aboriginal people of Alice Springs to take their rightful place and begin to sort out lawlessness that she says has been three or four years in the making.
“What I would really like to see is the traditional owners – the traditional owners who’s first language is Arrernte – speak up and take control of this town of Alice Springs,” she said.
“I want to see them stand up and take control. In Aboriginal culture, they have the authority.”
Ms Price spoke to The Australian as she prepared to receive an Australia Day honour for her service to the NT parliament and Indigenous people.
She was a schoolteacher in her home community of Yuendumu – 300km northwest of Alice Springs – when she met her husband, Dave, a non-Indigenous man, in 1979. The couple moved to Alice Springs in 1983.
Ms Price was the inaugural chair of the Indigenous Affairs Advisory Council for the NT government before she was elected to the NT’s legislative assembly in 2012. She was a minister in the NT government in 2014 when her sister Rosalie was murdered in Katherine. Breaking with Walpiri tradition, she asked media to use Rosalie’s name so she would be remembered as a person not a statistic.
She was a vocal advocate for community safety initiatives as a politician and since. “It was always my belief that I was elected by the constituents in my electorate and I was there as their member to fight for them to be able to deliver what was needed out in the communities,” she said.
Asked about the crisis engulfing Alice Springs, Ms Price described wretched and itinerant alcoholics in and around the town who devote their time to circumventing the NT’s bottleshop rules. Until last July, this included a requirement that anyone purchasing takeaway alcohol must have proof of an address. Drinkers would “go looking for someone who has an address, so they can hound that family member to buy them alcohol”.
Now the only requirement is photo identification to prove the purchaser is not on the NT government’s banned drinkers list, so banned drinkers look for an unbanned relative or friend who can buy for them.
“They think ‘OK, it’s going be two o’clock (the opening time for bottleshops before temporary restrictions announced on Tuesday delayed opening times until 3pm) so we need to get enough money, find someone with a car … and it’s just like open slather.
“They’re in there with their 30 packs, Jim Beam, Bundaberg rum, and it’s sad.”
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Dover, you mentioned cables going to and from the US foreign policy establishment suggesting the US was acting deviously with the Soviets. It doesn’t appear to be the case.
No, here is what I said:
We have cables from this period admitting that the US was already planning to renege on their commitments before the ink had even dried.
A charitable reading of that is simply that while they were saying that NATO would not expand eastwards in negotiations re German unification, etc. in these cables, they were also as a matter of policy non-commital amongst themselves during this same period, ’90-’91, and that a consensus emerged for enlargement by ’92.
None of this depends on them ‘openly lying’ whatever that could mean here. What it depends on is that they never really meant to keep their commitments once they achieved German reunification, etc. That is what is demonstrated by those two links.
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Cassie of Sydney
Sep 6, 2023 9:03 PM
Blot had on tonight Senator Jacinta Price’s father. Like his daughter and his wife, Dave Price is impressive, very impressive. Jacinta had a good upbringing.An impressive family certainly but they put the effort and time into bringing up their daughter, the effort that is missing from most of the parents in remote communities. But it’s our fault for the dysfunction in those communities.
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40,000 aboriginal land claims across NSW according to this interview with Ben Fordham this morning. Sounds like every bit of crown land in NSW has had a claim made and the backlog is only now coming to light. The page has a 54-second video clip with the money quote and the full audio interview of 12:38.
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An impressive family certainly but they put the effort and time into bringing up their daughter
Jacinta Price’s father reveals extent of abuse levelled against his daughter by Voice supporters
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Dover, you mentioned cables going to and from the US foreign policy establishment suggesting the US was acting deviously with the Soviets. It doesn’t appear to be the case.
No, here is what I said:
We have cables from this period admitting that the US was already planning to renege on their commitments before the ink had even dried.
Yes, which describes what you said. If it’s misleading explain how.
A charitable reading of that is simply that while they were saying that NATO would not expand eastwards in negotiations re German unification, etc. in these cables, they were also as a matter of policy non-commital amongst themselves during this same period, ’90-’91, and that a consensus emerged for enlargement by ’92.
Events were moving at lightening speed. US policy wasn’t moving as fast as the events were changing the status quo.
It wasn’t just that US was concerned with the Europeans screwing things up again. There was also the possibility Russia would have a change of heart and meddle in these countries again. You appear to be skimming over the Soviet intervention in Hungary and Czechoslovakia. There’s a lot of things to consider.
None of this depends on them ‘openly lying’ whatever that could mean here. What it depends on is that they never really meant to keep their commitments once they achieved German reunification, etc. That is what is demonstrated by those two links.
I don’t see how you can say this when foreign policy was being dictated by a world that was changing before our very eyes. A change of heart isn’t lying.
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https://thecountersignal.com/national-australia-bank-adds-mean-speech-to-debanking-criteria/
Effectively, NAB may debank customers any time they hurt another person’s feelings.
This includes if customers are guilty of “making profane, derogatory, discriminatory or harassing comments to any person,” or inflicting “psychological harm.”
Might be time to get out of NAB and heavily into crypto.
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Events were moving at lightening speed. US policy wasn’t moving as fast as the events were changing the status quo.
It wasn’t just that US was concerned with the Europeans screwing things up again. There was also the possibility Russia would have a change of heart and meddle in these countries again. You appear to be skimming over the Soviet intervention in Hungary and Czechoslovakia. There’s a lot of things to consider.
All of this ‘lightening speed’, ‘US policy wasn’t fast enough’, ‘US was concerned with the Europeans srewing things up’ , ‘change of heart’ is just hand-waving. The US committed to no eastward expansion of NATO as part of the deal. In the background they were considering eastward expansion of NATO and had already achieved a consensus a year later despite those commits.
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It’s almost here, fellas.
There will be some spelling changes in the merger.
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TE at 7:34
Not everyone saw humour in the notice, with the WBA swiftly issuing a statement condemning the “discriminatory” flyer, and saying it was an attack on the Women in Law Awards.
Mmmyes.
Don’t prick that balloon (so to speak).
I think most large corporates have a “Women of XYZ Co” group.
The one at the last ASX200 company I was at operated a bit like a New York mafia family … a couple of ageing Karens at the top doling out favours to the capos and soldiers who paid their dues.
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Dover
The Soviet Union lost the Cold War. The victor then decides how things will stack up in the future. If the US subsequently decided expansion was the way to go, so be it.It’s amusing how sometimes people talk about the US losing this war or that one back then when it won the only war that mattered. The Soviet Union became extinct.
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One more thing, it’s a testament to US leadership and the benign nature of the West that former Warsaw pact nations weren’t just running away from the Russians, they were bolting at light speed into the arms of US dominated NATO. No one demanded these fcukers join. They’re frightened stiff of the marauding orcs.
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Zelensky has repeatedly said they will not join NATO –
Errrrrrr. The UKR Clown Z was trying to get NATO membership this year only to be told – Not yet. He then had a ‘hissy fit’.
“VILNIUS, July 11 (Reuters) – NATO leaders said on Tuesday that Ukraine should be able to join the military alliance at some point in the future but they stopped short of offering Kyiv an immediate invitation, angering Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.”
You must have missed the news.
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A great leap forward in technology for the Panzers!
I have discovered Google translate using the phone camera to read text and translate.
Went into a restaurant in Kyoto, pointed my phone at a hand written Japanese menu and up comes the English translation.
The thing is, it kept trying to translate into Spanish, which I had to over-ride.
I finally figured out that a good number of the dishes used terms common to Spanish cuisine, so the app joined the dots.
But we got exactly what the translation said.
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It’s amusing how sometimes people talk about the US losing this war or that one back then when it won the only war that mattered. The Soviet Union became extinct.
The beauty of it was multi-faceted.
Firstly, and most importantly, possibly the only shots fired were in the libraries of Soviet generals in Moscow.
Secondly, it was precipitated by Reagan, Pope John Paul II and, to a lesser extent, Thatcher. The left thought John Paul II was a harmless dreamer, hated Maggie Thatcher with a passion, and thought Ronnie Reagan was a buffoon.
Thirdly, the popular Western left view during the ’80’s was that the USSR was impregnable, and any attempts to undermine it were futile. -
Orange Man speaking now in New Hampshire, live on WION and other channels.
He’s recapping all the dirt about the FISA warrants Russia Collusion Hoax, Laptop From Hell, the Election Rigging, and the subsequent witch hunts and legal attempts to prevent him speaking about all of the above.
You’ve heard it all before.He says all the election evidence will be aired again during the upcoming trial about Jan 6.
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Lose 7-nil again has posted on her social media a photo of the “Men in Law Awards” fake flyer.
The indignation, the seething, the downright total & complete lack of any funny bone is something to behold.
The comments go on & on & on, all in the same vein. They don’t realise how funny their humourlessness is.She must have been one helluva dob artist at school.
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