Open Thread – Mon 30 Oct 2023
1,387 responses to “Open Thread – Mon 30 Oct 2023”
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So what you are saying Steve that you’d possibly kill a teenager for trying (unsuccessfully) to steal a bike?
Seems harsh, however thieves should have to take their lumps.
I’ve seen a bloke who brought his bike from Korea, a special pushbike, with sentimental value for him.
Some unwiped posterior of a rugby player stole it & thought it was funny.
Two Maori women got hold of him a week or so later & flogged him near into a wheelchair.
He was okay, but didn’t play for the remainder of the season.My sympathy level, zero.
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Speaking of our original inhabitants this 0th Nations personage just arrived. Young one has an impressive tail and a firm grip. He or she could ride in The Everest.
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It would be great if he provides the blog names making up that sum in order to fact check the comment. I’m sure it’s tabulated, so it wouldn’t be much of an effort to provide the details.
If none is forthcoming, we have to assume it’s a lie, which unfortunately has never presented as a problem to this commenter.
Fact check me, you front hole.
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Arky
Oct 31, 2023 6:55 PM
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 31, 2023 6:00 PM..
When certain individuals on here ask for details about personal events it isn’t out of casual conversation or normal human interaction.
My advice Zulu, is to not respondAnd the paranoid blog traffic policeman arrives …
The transition in family law from PIs looking through bedroom windows, and spurious claims of alcoholism and child neglect, to a no-fault system was an interesting time.
If you don’t feel you have anything to offer, that’s fine, but leave off from traffic direction.
God knows, no-one wants this place to degenerate into a batshit boring procession of car restoration videos, or ill-informed trade economics dissertations. -
Salvatore, Iron Publican
Oct 31, 2023 8:49 PM
Listen here you cheque bouncer, & listen good. A dishonest lying p.o.s. of your low moral calibre is in no position to call others liars.
You’re bred from poor genetics & likely have passed those on.Don’t like this? Then evolve some morals & ethics. ?
Funny that, one asks for verification that 500/50 = 10 and you end up with a litany of abuse.
Conclusion. Houso’s lying again.
He’s actually lying to both commenters and readers in an attempt to demoralize the blog. Houso all the way through the DNA.
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Working class aren’t parasitical housos, Alamak. They’re generally hard working folks and up to a short while ago most owned their own homes (unlike Housos) and paid their way through life
JC I came from working class origins and have 100% respect for honest toil and life uninflated by debt.
There is no snide or /sarc in my Houso comments, which is nice.
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Lying about things of that nature is like a cancer to the blog.
Spoken by the blogs most malignant cancer.
You ought to be arse kicked by the blog owner all the way to the crummy island “metropolis”.
Which island metropolis do you want to try to kick me to? You haven’t got what it takes to write a cheque, you couldn’t kick me anywhere.
FMD, you’re disgusting blowhard.
Spoken from a p.o.s. of your low calibre, I’d be ashamed to be called anything else.
Rule #1 Piece of shit must hate you & decent blokes must respect you.
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“promise me first bunge on the Danish Back packers … I have my own truck .. ie accommodation … ”
Might even be able to get Centerlink to pitch some enthusiasm our way ?
Ahahahaaa.
‘I’ll sleep in my car, Kevin Rudd-style, and let me root your backpackers* and you can pay me to snivel to the clientele. Please let me be your pubwrecker. Also, there’s some NDIS rorting to be had because I am wompus.’
*As if any decent backpacker wouldn’t cut your dissembling nuts off and throw them into the nearest dam.
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Re the rampant anti-Semitism at the lollypop blog.
Some are prepared to give a pass for Bird’s two month long spree of anti-Semitism right at the start, because busy, new business, family etc.
I’m not.
Whatever.
But when a ten comment a day blog serves up a majority of comments that would make Yasser Arafat blush, and they stand unmoderated, you can only conclude the blog owner endorses them. -
Well old Aaron Harper of Sundays fame insulting victims of crime in Townsville doubles down on his stupidity this week. One of those attending was injured as a result of a crime and none too impressed. If Aaron keeps digging he may end up in China.
As for the judiciary here in this state needs a good clean out. If a perp is up again in front of the beak with 20 priors then the focus should shift to protecting the public which all too often forgotten or ignored. Another stolen car dumped in my neighbourhood overnight, like all of them probably 20yo, probably owned by someone who can least afford it’s loss.
As for Lehman too bad he doesn’t have a sugar daddy who is used to special treatment cause he owns a TV network. I reckon we’ll hear more about his complainant and her chosen ahem, lifestyle during the trial. Getting a vibe it could be an exotic tale.
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“Sancho Panza” … a very amusing and witty side kick to Don Quixote… in a very amusing book written by Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra …
In this particular incarnation neither amusing or in any way clever.
Also so gutless as he wont use his real name …
But assume the non de plume of a Fictional Character that would run rings around Him ..
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Applegarth used Lehrmann’s confident stance in the Spotlight interview to dismiss the psychologist’s assessment regarding the mental health risk. “I hope that Channel 7 paid him or his solicitor a lot of money for the consequences it has had on this application, if nothing else,” the judge quipped,
This is what passes for a judge in Queensland ?
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Title of an Op-Ed story in today’s WSJ.
Where’s Socrates When You Need Him?
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Salvatore, Iron Publican
If you ever tended Bar you would never say such things… No one in that line of work would ever … but you throw these “Mouth ” about as if it is Mother’s milk to you … No way are you a Publican …
At the end of or even at the beginning of a busy day ..we are shovelling them off home … they can cut up rough even on thier own accord …
You don’t sound like a competent Publican …
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And as to Danish Lads …also Russians and Germans and Canadians … I have had them on my work crews … I never felt the need to use them to bolster me up in town .. except for the Vietnameese deckies … They were forbidden to go into town with out me … I had to keep it sane …
Wanna know what I am good at .. ?
Not making trouble.
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Things are getting strange so some book titles for the jaded:
Lady Wrestler: she wrestled with sin and was defeated by a full nelson on her heart.
Sex Kitten: just old enough, she took a sip of sin; and then a bath and the bath was hot.
Tennis Tease: bored with marriage her tennis coach taught her how to swing and return his balls.
Hitch Hike Hussy: she was a roadside renegade who travelled the back roads and the highways of lust.
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Israel at war: Hostage rescue mission the work of security agency
By yoni bashan
Margin Call Editor
@yoni_bashan
8:46PM October 31, 2023
No CommentsA daring hostage rescue carried out by Israeli special forces inside Gaza on Monday was led by the country’s domestic security service, Shin Bet, after it received specific intelligence regarding the female soldier’s whereabouts ahead of a planned ground incursion.
In a coup that unified the nation and renewed hopes among the families of other hostages, Private Ori Megidish was rescued in an operation directed by army and intelligence chiefs watching from a situation room inside Israel. Authorities confirmed that they had become aware of Private Megidish’s location and mounted the operation specifically to save her.
The news emerged hours after Hamas released a proof-of-life video of three additional female captives abducted from southern Israel on October 7, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called “cruel psychological propaganda”, and which numerous media outlets chose not to publish. They are among at least 230 hostages being held captive in Gaza.
Read NextIsraelis were left reeling on Monday after it was established that 22-year-old German-Israeli citizen Shani Louk, who was filmed lying face down on the back of a truck en route to Gaza, and who many had hoped was still alive, was in fact deceased after parts of her skull were located and tested by authorities.
Addressing the nation after Private Megidish’s release, Mr Netanyahu invoked some of his strongest language to date when describing the objectives of the Israel Defence Forces, warning that there would be no ceasefire agreement of the kind being sought by Hamas and “further steps” beyond a ground incursion were being discussed by his war cabinet.
“We will continue to hunt you. We will strike you until you fall at our feet,” Mr Netanyahu said. In recent days Mr Netanyahu’s rhetoric has shifted to describe the war as one not only relevant to Israel’s survival but one of increasing significance to Western democracies and the rest of the Arab world.
“If Hamas is not defeated, then the axis of evil will win. And if the axis of evil wins, the free world will lose. The Western world and the entire Arab world will lose, and there will be a great threat to humanity,” he said.
The rescue of Private Megidish occurred on a day when the IDF said it had struck upwards of 300 military targets inside Gaza, among them subterranean compounds belonging to Hamas terrorists, and as Israeli ground soldiers called in airstrikes on Hamas antitank and machine gunner positions.
Among those killed were the commander of Hamas’ Beit Lahia Battalion, Nasim Abu Ajina, accused by the IDF of ordering some of the massacres that occurred in southern Israel on October 7. The Israeli military said Abu Ajina was killed in an airstrike and his loss would severely impact Hamas’ field capabilities.
“In the past, Abu Ajina commanded Hamas’ Aerial Array, and took part in the development of the UAVs and paragliders of the terrorist organisation,” the IDF said. “His elimination significantly harms the efforts of the Hamas terrorist organisation to disrupt the IDF’s ground activities.”
No soldiers were injured during the operation to save Private Megidish, officials said, and she was reunited with her family after undergoing a medical assessment and debriefing with intelligence officers.
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Bari Weiss got into a stoush today on twitter.
She pointed out that some US academic reposted a tweet about a Israeli first responder saying he found a baby in an oven on 7th Oct that had been murdered.
The US academic commented “with baking powder or not”.
Bari Weiss screen shotted it & shared.
Then the pile on began.
The pro Hamas crowd were all about there was no evidence of a baby being killed like that.
And that Bari was trying to get the US academic fired.And not one of them had anything to say about how f*cked up his tweet was.
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It is interesting that Cassie and I Je’cused Bolton, yet he went after Calli. Our sweet Calli. If only the poor sufferer of amoebic dysentery knew that Calli was a crack shot and could take down a horde of cannibal New Guinea tribesmen, he may have spent a bit longer perusing the commenters before he spun his magic bean to see where it landed.
Anyway, here is an evening in Bolly’s head. Enjoy it as much as Bolly does.
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hamashos on twitter were claiming it was just a copy cat allegation based on a 1947 incident when apparently Jews put the son of an Arab baker in a oven.
If that’s a story that gets circulated to foment hatred then hamas terrorists would be aware of it and could easily have decided to re-enact it.
Irrespective of veracity the comment was a disgrace but no-one on team hamas cared about that. -
Gutfeld once again sums up brilliantly: previously 7 out of 10 Jewish voters voted for biden but now are beginning to wake up. However one prominent left wing Jew still claims that Trump’s policies were good even if he were not. I don’t get that distinction. Gutfeld goes on about the left generally, especially the msm, who were so offended by Trump personally they attacked him for 4 years, ignoring his achievements and now because of their hurt feelings the world is on the brink of war and the US is fuked.
One final point: Robert Spencer:
If the West were unified in understanding what islam is they could wipe out this abomination tomorrow; but because great slabs of the West are infected with leftism islam is winning.
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Just watching the U.K. Covid Inquiry Live.
Some gubbermint comms head honcho in the chair now. ‘Messaging.’
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What kind of demon puts a baby in an oven to murder it?
The scribe from the New York Post reported that they shot the dad, put the baby in, then three of them pack raped, or consecutively raped, the mother on the kitchen floor by the oven.
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Sancho Panzer
Oct 31, 2023 10:14 PMBolton at 10:03.
Condolences re mum.
How long ago was this?Mothers just die… when looked at it objectively ? There is just so much to go wrong with them .. She almost hit 80 and me 60 we would have celebrated our birthdays a week apart. That is why I was in my truck heading for Tasmania…
But She stood me up …
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Speaking of Demons, the BBC’s “Devils” is just torture. (A first world problem).
Sure, traders always argue with their bosses about what portfolios or assets to hold. Uncle George ran a democracy, right? Bouffant beards that would make Cry Baby’s coif gently weep. Suits and ties and clinically clean offices that aren’t stinking hot with computers running full pelt (hello Tibra! – do they still allow singlets!?). Sexy women economist quants inform the junior traders what a mess the portfolio is.
Model/artist girlfriends (okay but we’re talking Archibald Prize winning level artists). Macho men traders who give into peer pressure from their GFs at the drop of a hat. Obligatory GF’s gay best tranny friend. Pretentious parties in mansions tarted up to look like ashrams. Random tattooists at finance industry soirées giving spineless macho man traders generic tattoos mid party.
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Cosseted no-consequencers are disappointed (the Tele):
The University of Sydney has acted to shut down an event promoting a “global intifada” after local Jewish leaders raised the alarm over posters using a picture of a bulldozer crashing through an Israeli security fence to promote the meeting.
The event, hosted by the socialist group Solidarity and entitled “Palestine: The Case for Global Intifada”, was expected to take place on Wednesday at the uni’s main campus.
The poster invited students to “discuss the revolutionary strategy for freeing Palestine and overturning the system that causes Palestine’s oppression and breeds colonial violence.”
Communism, then.
Upon hearing of the event, a university spokesman said that the event had been cancelled.
About time.
The word “intifada” is most commonly associated with a series of violent Palestinian uprisings targeting Israeli soldiers and civilians that have employed everything from throwing stones to suicide bombing.
And paragliding into music festivals, slaughtering hundreds of people, beheading children and cooking babies in ovens while their mothers are raped in front of it.
Nice. Nice movement you’ve got there.
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I have done Door at all sorts of rowdy establishment … you don’t just shit the bed over a split beer or a bit of badinage …after all that is why the punters choose to come here ?
Oh I will organise a lift to get you back Home Sir !!! You are always welcome here when you are more refreshed … Thank you so much for the pleasure of your company !!
And It wasn’t bullshit …
You cant do Security unless you love people …
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Not up to me, you lying houso, it’s up to you to show your numbers and then we check, because nothing you ever assert is honest or above board.
Give us the numbers. Now.
Lying houso…. 🙂
Nothing I ever say is honest, …. yet never has anyone caught me telling a porky.You however, have been caught turning to water at the thought of backing your mouth.
You hadn’t the balls to back your mouth before.Just STFU you chickenshit welcher. Your word has no value.
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Bolly,
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Perhaps … if you had been there you might have corrected me.
As your boss at TV station, not only would I have corrected you (in arrears alas) I’d also have carpeted you to issue a first & final warning.
However as your boss when you’re door at a ‘rowdy establishment’ I’d probably have been amazed to learn one of the doormen could string together a coherent sentence that was ten words in length.
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Nothing I ever say is honest, …. yet never has anyone caught me telling a porky.
Porky? More like Porkies. You’re entire life is a delusion like owning a pub, when in fact it’s a clapped out shack worthy only of being torn down. A mouldy health trap..
You could easily dismiss the claim that the 500/10 is made up crap. But you can’t because it’s another lie.
You however, have been caught turning to water at the thought of backing your mouth.
Sounds deep.
You hadn’t the balls to back your mouth before.
Yeah.
Just STFU you chickenshit welcher. Your word has no value.
You STFU, you blowhard, lowrent houso. Now piss off and stop talking to me. You are one disgusting piece of rotting garbage.
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The word “intifada” is most commonly associated with a series of violent Palestinian uprisings targeting Israeli soldiers and civilians that have employed everything from throwing stones to suicide bombing.
Didn’t Marcia Langton threaten Australians with an “intifada” if the voice referendum was defeated?
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As it’s paywalled you only get Jill – The other 9 images are interesting as well
But
Dirty Jill is worth a read!
VICTORIA TAFT
“You gotta run. Because there’s so much at stake,” Jill Biden claims she urged her shuffling, addled husband before he undertook his 2020 basement campaign for president.
Joe Biden, like the entire country, economy, and everything he touches, has gotten worse every day of his term of office.
And it’s for this reason that the woman fawned over as a “joy multiplier” is now looked on with suspicion.
She’s the reason he’s one of the worst presidents the United States has ever produced because Mrs. Biden and the Obama holdovers got him there.
Americans are beginning to think that Joe’s smiling, 72-year-old presidential arm candy didn’t have the country’s needs at heart when she told her husband, “You gotta run.” It’s in that way she reminds Americans of Hillary Clinton.
Call her Jillary.
The reasonable criticism goes that any person who pushes their mentally incapable husband to become president is naturally a bad person committing an act of elder abuse, but Jill Biden’s happy warrior-like smiles may hide something even more sinister.
Could Jillary be the force behind the so-called Biden Crime Family?
It looks suspicious when politicians go into office relatively poor and emerge as millionaires.
It’s unseemly, bordering on illegal, when politicians transmogrify their public service jobs into personal ATMs and friends into insider traders, and that’s why the comparison with Hillary is apt.
HillBilly were doing fine for Arkansas, but on the world stage, they needed to parlay their personalities into an intaglio press. They created a foundation, went on book and lecture tours, signed entertainment deals, and bought the New York mansion to establish Hillary’s residency to run for U.S. Senate and tee her up for the presidency.
Then they stood back and watched the dark money roll in.
The Bidens, like most Americans, saw what the Clintons, Obamas, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, and other Democrats (and no doubt some Republicans) were doing and decided to replicate the political-to-professional shakedown.
The Biden Crime Family was born, and though greed and grandiosity are woven into the Biden DNA, Jillary was doing her share of pushing.
Jill Biden has always worked during her marriage.
They needed the money and no doubt she wanted some control over spending and independence in case the hair-smelling, daughter-showering, parading nudist she married got caught and she was on her own.
Jill’s smiles are her forcefield to stop uncomfortable questions from reporters about her sick, sick family.
She’s the slick to her husband’s ick.
The former Delaware high school teacher still maintains her English teaching schedule at the Northern Virginia Community College, where she’s taught since the inception of the Obama administration.
She had previously taught English and writing at Delaware Technical Community College. She has “four degrees and five grandchildren,” as Vogue enthused before Hunter’s love child was discovered and he started his second-generation family.
Northern Virginia CC has received more than $120 million in COVID funds from the Trump and Biden White Houses. She receives her $90,000-plus salary from a school foundation to satisfy ethics rules. She’s paid more than most teachers at the community college, according to a salary survey by The Daily Signal.
And now, here we are, with a cognitively challenged president.
Jillary is believed to be the receiver of all wisdom from Obama-era apparatchiks who are shot-calling from the Executive Office Building or Kalorama.
She pushes Joe to the exits, pulls him to the podium, and she’s pushing him into the 2024 election, where it’s obvious he can’t hang.
If she wasn’t before, Jillary now appears to wear the crown as the Kingpin of the Biden Crime Family.
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Why did Sinc never boot the Numbers lunatic.
Numbers not only swamped the blog with his psychopathy but he prevented sensible exchange because of the queue of folks looking to climb the fence and poke the nasty clown on the beak.
Numbers deeply upset a number of us who were, or worked with Nashos and understood that he was insulting their memory by spruiking some Communist fantasy that he learned at Kelvin Grove Teachers’ College or equivalent back alley school of ignorance.
I didn’t lose any close Nasho mates, but lots did die. Each life lost was belitteled by this putrid reptile’s insane commentaries.
My preferred conclusion was that Sinc had no understanding of the hurt and outrage that Numbers engendered. I hope so, because otherwise Sinc was playing with us.
I recall when, one Anzac Day Sinc directed that we were not to use the commeration as an occasion to hammer the creep. F*ck that.
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@ Salvatore
” I’d probably have been amazed to learn one of the doormen could string together a coherent sentence that was ten words in length.”
In which case your customers …would get taken out back and had a proper flogging…. Some Security Personell can provide such a service. But it isnt good for return trade… and not what I was best at…
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KD … I have no case to make except that we are being lied to by the MSM … I only seek to understand
You do realise that this is the exact tactic Hamas uses?
You know – go on the attack (‘dumb as a bag of wet mice’), run the distraction squirrel (‘give me a job and let me root your staff while living in my car’), and then claim victimhood (‘I have no case to make’) otherwise known as ‘look over there” when questioned in any way, shape or form?
Those pills must really be banging right now.
Big fella.
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Pleasing to learn you rate me a few hundred rungs higher on the ladder of ethics than where you stand.
Ethics.
Drills all you need to do is show us the calcs for the 500/10. I can’t believe you’ve created all this dust simply because I asked for you to show your work. Show us what an above board, ethical motel manager you really are.
Think of it this way. You don’t have to satisfy me. Prove to the commenters, readers and the blog owner. Forget me.
Go on and be a sport.
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Qantas takes clumsy step towards settlement
The airline argues it didn’t break the law by selling tickets on ghost flights. Lawyers aren’t so sure.
Michael Pelly
Legal editorThe ACCC’s claim against Qantas over ghost flights is a simple case of consumer law, which is bad news for Qantas.
Competition lawyers who spoke to The Australian Financial Review on background, because of potential conflicts, explained the case was about conduct “that is misleading or likely to mislead”.
It means that being unaware the flight selected had been cancelled – if that was the case – would be irrelevant to whether Qantas intended to mislead or not.
One competition law expert said it might be a different story if the consumer accepted there was always a risk the flight time might change.
But he warned: “I don’t know if many consumers would understand that may be the position.”
Qantas has insisted the ticket buys only a “bundle of rights”, rather than a ticket to a specific flight.
Appreciating the risks
It will argue it didn’t promise a flight would necessarily operate at the advertised date and time, and that consumers should have appreciated the risks.
Like having to go through the inconvenience and expense of making other travel arrangements.
“But this is a misleading conduct case,” said the lawyer. “So, the real question is what the class of persons who booked the flights would have understood the Qantas representations to mean.”
Qantas is also resisting any suggestion it collected a “fee for no service” – because customers were put on other flights as close as possible to their original time, or offered a full refund.
“In purely legal terms, the ACCC’s case ignores a fundamental reality and a key condition that applies when airlines sell a ticket,” the airline said in its statement to the ASX.
“While all airlines work hard to operate flights at their scheduled times, no airline can guarantee that. That’s because the nature of travel – when weather and operational issues mean delays and cancellations are inevitable and unavoidable – makes such a guarantee impossible. ”
Too true, but the representation when they sold the flight was that they intended to operate the flight.
No chance
Some flights had already been cancelled when tickets were purchased and the airline kept selling tickets on its website for up to 47 days after a cancellation. So, there was no chance at all of them getting on that flight.
If there is one break for Qantas it is that the ACCC is operating under the old penalty regime because the conduct occurred before November 2022.
The new regime increases fines from a maximum of $10 million to $50 million, or three times the value derived from the relevant breach, or 30 per cent of the company’s turnover over the period it engaged in the conduct.
But the ACCC is still seeking a record penalty of more than $250 million against Qantas – double the previous mark of $125 million against Volkswagen in 2019 for deceiving customers over diesel emissions.
It’s hard not to think the Qantas defence is a tentative, but clumsy, step toward a settlement.
It basically says, ‘fair cop we sold tickets on ghost flights. But technically, we didn’t break the law’ so you can go easy on us’.”
That’s unlikely. The ACCC know the public expect that when they buy a ticket for an 8.40am flight that they will be catching that flight at 8.40am, rather than relying on a “bundle of rights”.
That phrase is contained in multiple sections of the Australian Consumer Law and the courts have been clear on its meaning – it’s about what the customer believes he or she is buying rather than what the airline thinks it is selling.
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Bons
Have you ever considered that Vietnam screwed him up big time? A lot of guys came back very messed up as you’d agree. He served the country and he did so because he was drafted, which implies a form of slavery.
In any event, Numbers should be given some leeway and perhaps ignoring him would’ve have been the better course. The guy was clearly messed up and perhaps Vietnam massed with his head.
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Show us what an above board, ethical motel manager you really are.
I’m not applying for a job as a motel manager.
Despite your endless entreaties, I’m not going near that game.I’m not up for another career change, I’ve had 6 or so of those.
Not doing it again. Next career change will be to a hammock. -
Australia Going Nowhere under Australian Labor Party, Greems, TEALS 7 Aboriginal Groups – And they wonder why Australia Voted NO to Voice?
Tiwi Islanders lob action to halt pipeline to $5.8b Barossa project
Elouise Fowler
ReporterSantos may be forced to halt construction of its 262-kilometre underwater pipeline to its offshore $5.8 billion Barossa gas project if the Federal Court agrees to an injunction sought by local Indigenous groups.
The Tiwi Islands traditional owners will appear in the Darwin court on Tuesday to argue that work should be paused until the federal officials assess evidence showing the cultural heritage risks posed by the pipeline.
Tiwi traditional owners will submit to the court an expert report showing that if installed in the proposed location, the pipeline would damage Sea Country, dreaming tracks, songlines and areas of cultural significance. – What A load of CRAP
This is the third time environmentalists and Indigenous groups have worked together to cruel efforts to build oil and gas projects, as climate activists gain traction in the courts to prevent fossil fuel developments.
The Environmental Defender’s Office, representing traditional owner Simon Munkara, will ask the Federal Court for an injunction to stall pipeline construction until the offshore regulator, National Offshore Petroleum Safety Management Authority, assessed the fresh evidence and Santos has submitted a new environment plan.
Mr Munkara will argue that any work on the pipeline without assessing the new evidence breaches environmental regulations.
That’s because the cultural heritage risk identified in the expert report has not been considered in Santos’ pipeline environment plan approved by NOPSEMA in March 2020, the court will hear.
“In this case, Mr Munkara will argue that no work on pipeline installation should commence until all the risks to Tiwi cultural heritage are properly assessed in a revised plan for the activities and that revised plan is considered and determined by NOPSEMA,” the EDO’s Alina Leikin said.
Santos told the market it will “vigorously defend” the claim and rejects the claim the pipeline poses significant environmental or cultural heritage risks.
Santos said if the Federal Court grants the injunction, it will update the market if the injunction affects the schedule and cost of the Barossa project.
On October 19, Santos said it had advised NOPSEMA that it planned to start laying the pipeline after complying with requirements to check for underwater sites of cultural significance along the route. That extra requirement was imposed in January.
An expert it hired found no cultural heritage sites along the pipeline route that could be affected by the project.
Last week, the Jikilaruwu people lodged an emergency application seeking to block the pipeline, with one elder, Molly Munkara, warning it would “impact our spirituality and destroy our health, our home and our lives”.
Santos – which wants to start producing gas from Barossa in 2025 – has taken steps to install the pipeline to the project in the Timor Sea, even as it awaits separate regulatory approvals for the drilling work it was forced to suspend more than a year ago due to a landmark court ruling.
That Federal Court decision, in September last year, found Santos failed to consult the Tiwi Islanders, and was stopped from drilling eight wells in the Barossa gas field, 265 kilometres north-west of Darwin.
In the Federal Court on Tuesday, Mr Munkara will seek to rely on this decision, which established traditional owners’ consultation rights in relation to offshore developments.
Woodside Energy was also caught by this ruling this year, when the Federal Court found the regulator wrongly provided approval for its $16.5 billion Scarborough gas project in Western Australia before the company had adequately consulted a traditional custodian, who was concerned seismic testing could harm her cultural heritage.
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The reason you’re not fact-checking this, as you do with all manner of other posts, is you know I’m correct.
So stfu you jabbing alzheimer’s case.
Driller, that doesn’t make sense, because if that was the case and you indeed had a properly researched case I wouldn’t be asking in case you did show the numbers and then have to eat humble crow. You’re logic is all contorted, and very suggestive you made it all up.
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Tiwi traditional owners will submit to the court an expert report showing that if installed in the proposed location, the pipeline would damage Sea Country, dreaming tracks, songlines and areas of cultural significance.
At the bottom of the ocean.
Time this crap was stopped, it should never have been allowed to get this far. -
Albanese government ‘in strife’: Rita Panahi dissects latest polling
Sky News host Rita Panahi breaks down the latest Guardian Essential poll with the data showing “Airbus Albo” needs to reassess his government’s faltering agenda.
Sky News host Rita Panahi breaks down the latest Guardian Essential poll with the data showing “Airbus Albo” needs to reassess his government’s faltering agenda.
“You know the Anthony Albanese government is in strife when even the most left-leaning polls show Australians are seeing through the empty promises and ineptitude,” Ms Panahi said.
She said among the interesting results is the dive in both Labor and the Greens’ primary vote – with Labor falling from 33 to 32 per cent, while the Greens fell from 14 to 10 per cent.
“The Coalition is up from 32 to 34 per cent. One Nation, United Australia and other minor parties are all up as well,” she said.
She also said what is fascinating is the gender break-up, with women more likely to vote for the Coalition than Labor.
“We are told the Liberal Party has a women’s problem but according to the essential polling that is not the case. When it comes to men, Labor and the Coalition are tied on 34 per cent primary vote.
“But for female voters, while 34 per cent back the Coalition, only 29 per cent back Labor.
And that’s reflected in the all-important two-party preferred numbers.”
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‘Haunt you for life’: Gruesome footage of Hamas terrorists shown to Australian journalists
Gruesome footage of Hamas militants murdering hundreds of Israeli civilians was aired to a group of Australian journalists at the Israeli Embassy.
This marks the first time the horrific video – which includes bodycam footage of Hamas terrorists – is being shown outside Israel.
Herald Sun Senior Columnist Patrick Carlyon says the footage is the sort of stuff that would “haunt you for life”.
“It is terribly sad – we’re seeing it across the Western world, especially universities, where a massacre of innocent people has sort of been used as a default clarion call if you like for change in the region,” he told Sky News host Rita Panahi.
“And that’s not right, you can’t do that – this was a massacre, it’s not a starting point for change.”
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This place has deteriorated over the last few months so I’m removing it from my favourites list. I’ve been an infrequent contributer so I won’t be missed.
Cliff, if you want to take the trouble to contact me please do. I’m genuinely interested in what has troubled you over the last few months.
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Billions flow out of ESG as investors turn their backs on ‘green’ investing
‘Green’ investing was once in vogue – now it’s all falling apart
Not long ago, the investment world was gripped by green fever. But a mere two years after “sustainable” funds were thrust into the mainstream, investors and asset managers alike are turning their backs on the once-booming trend.
Nearly £2.5bn has flowed out of funds focused on environmental, social and governance issues (ESG) since May, according to data from global funds network Calastone.
The S&P Global Clean Energy Index, a measure of companies investing in renewable energy, is also down more than 25pc over the past year due to soaring interest rates that have increased borrowing costs.
By comparison, the S&P 500 Energy Index, which tracks the broader energy industry including oil companies, is up 2pc over the same period of time.
As demand has fallen, the asset managers who once sang ESG’s praises are backing off. Only 102 new sustainable funds were launched in the most recent quarter of 2023 – down from almost 350 at the peak in 2021.
Meanwhile, in Europe – by far the biggest sustainable funds market – the number of funds adding “ESG” to their names has plummeted amid mounting concerns over “greenwashing”.
The end of the ESG boom?
ESG hit its peak in 2021. A record £537bn flowed into sustainable funds globally, up from £449bn in 2020, according to data from analysts Refinitiv.
The DIY investment boom was one reason for this surge in demand. Lockdown restrictions imposed during the coronavirus pandemic freed up time and money for swathes of young people, who decided to try their hand at investing for the first time.
Many of these younger investors did not want to put money into companies that generated a profit without also considering the impact of their corporate policies on the wider world.
The corporate world spied an opportunity, according to Peter Hargreaves, founder of Britain’s biggest stock broker Hargreaves Lansdown. “There are three things that guide fund managers: ‘what can we sell most of? What can we sell most of? What can we sell most of?’”, he says.
From late 2020 until the start of 2023, more than 200 new sustainable funds were launched every quarter, according to investment researchers Morningstar.
Laith Khalaf, of stockbroker AJ Bell, says that the sector was bolstered by the flush of capital. “Three years ago ESG was everywhere, fund groups were launching new products and marketing them like crazy, and the saturation point was probably found pretty quickly.
“All that money flowing in helped ESG funds perform well, attracting more cash from those who follow fund performance tables. After that initial gold rush, ESG funds are now part of the furniture and having to fight hard for inflows like all other sectors.”
In the year to February, the UK All Companies funds sector was up 3.12pc, while the sustainable equivalent funds from the sector were down 0.27pc, according to brokers Interactive Investor.
Many of the stocks in ESG funds are often in growth-orientated sectors, such as technology, which thrived in the era of low-cost borrowing leading up to 2021 – but have struggled in today’s world of surging interest rates.
Jock Glover, of research firm Square Mile, says: “When inflation started rising strongly, and central banks subsequently started raising interest rates, those growth stocks underperformed some of the old economy stocks, such as oil and mining, which many of those funds would naturally avoid.”
Renewable energy stocks and funds have been hit especially hard – and investors have voted with their feet.
Morningstar recently published a report on 1,400 funds with a climate-related mandate, representing nearly 20pc of the global sustainable funds market.
Surprisingly, despite the gloomy outlook, in the last 18 months, the assets in these funds have surged 30pc to $534bn (£439bn) thanks “to continued flows and product development”.
However, most of that growth has been captured in “climate transition” funds. These are funds which invest in firms which “consider climate change in their business strategy”.
Investors wake up to greenwashing
Recent poor performance is not the only thing driving investors away from sustainable funds.
Greenwashing, where firms make misleading sustainability-related claims about their investment practices, has severely dented investors’ trust in ESG.
A recent survey by the Association of Investment Companies, a trade body, found that the proportion of investors who are concerned about greenwashing has risen from 48pc in 2021 to 63pc in 2023.
It is only in the last few years that regulators are beginning to clamp down on firms making sustainable claims they cannot back up.
In Europe – by far the biggest and most diverse sustainable funds market – the number of funds adding “ESG” to their names has fallen sharply following a regulator crackdown.
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Jabbering Cadaver: just stfu, nobody is interested, or gives a crap, about your stoush-tourettes.
Stop blog-wrecking, you gutless sack of amoral shit.It’s not really blog wrecking to ask for facts to back up what you said.
Amoral? Drills do I need to remind you how you told us Prince Andrew would be loved even more by the British public for bedding underage girls. Where did Driller derive from? Do I need to remind you how you’ve defended Marcus Adonis plagiarism? I could go on, but I won’t
Let’s not go there, but if you can’t provide the calcs, it’s fine. We’ll just accept that it’s another story you made up and continue on. All good.
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Numbers wasn’t messed up. Yeah he had a bee in his bonnet about having to do Vietnam, but he just got off on trolling I reckon.
Numbers didn’t have to “do Vietnam.” He had an option to being conscripted in the first place, and he would have been given at least one opportunity to “opt out” of going to Vietnam.
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Average tip drops to less than £3 as consumers tighten their belts
Gratuities taken through SumUp payment devices are down 39pc in the past year
By Noah Eastwood, – MONEY REPORTER
Squeezed British consumers are tipping almost 40pc less than a year ago as the cost-of-living crisis tightens its stranglehold on the economy.
SumUp, a company that makes contactless payment devices, has reported that the average value of tips given to cafés, restaurants, hairdressers and other small businesses that use its payment system has plunged from £4.65 in August 2022 to just £2.85 in the same month this year.
The contactless card readers made by SumUp come with a “smart tipping” feature allowing retailers to add a message on a device’s display that requests customers consider making tips £1, £2 or £3 for transactions under £10 when paying.
Unlike conventional tipping, where customers choose to leave cash to show gratitude for particularly good service, SumUp’s devices will prompt customers to pay an extra markup.
For payments over £10 the tipping rates suggested are 10pc, 15pc and 20pc if a business decides to enable the feature.
This can be applied on top of the cost of goods and services, such as a meal which will usually already include a “discretionary” service charge per cover.
The practice has become increasingly widespread in the last year, with a 28pc increase in businesses using the tipping function on SumUp’s machines, according to the firm, which analysed data from thousands of transactions across Britain.
However, overall takings in gratuity using the company’s devices have fallen 39pc in the last year, which it blames on financial pressures brought on by the cost of living crisis.
Luke Beavon, chief executive of SumUp, said: “Over the last year, the economic landscape has presented challenges for both the British public and hospitality merchants across the UK.”
He added: “As consumers grapple with reduced disposable income, their contributions to the local cafés and restaurants they frequent have significantly dwindled over the past year.”
Kate Nicholls, chief executive of UKHospitality, said: “With the cost of living crisis affecting us all, it unfortunately comes as little surprise that customers are being more cautious with their spending and that this appears to be impacting tipping in venues.
She added: “From the waiting and bar staff to chefs and kitchen teams, the people that work in hospitality are the core of what makes for a fantastic experience. Tipping is an excellent way of showing your generosity and we’d encourage customers to do so, if they’re able.”
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Handwriting will soon be the preserve of a sophisticated few
The time may come when the ability to transcribe thoughts onto paper using only a pencil becomes so rare that people will marvel at it
JEMIMA LEWIS
The mayor of New York only speaks English.
Yet since March last year, Eric Adams has left thousands of voice messages on his constituents’ telephones, switching between Spanish, Yiddish, Mandarin, Cantonese and Haitian Creole.
Using AI, he can generate a digital version of his own voice speaking any language he chooses.
The results, he says, are incredibly convincing. “People stop me on the street all the time and say, ‘I didn’t know you speak Mandarin.’?”
This is what technology is for: to reduce the human workload.
Why bother learning another language if a bot can communicate for you?
The same is true of handwriting – another ancient skill made defunct by computers.
Britain’s biggest exam board announced this week that it is going digital.
From 2026, GCSE pupils will sit two exams using laptops: the rest will no doubt follow. This, says the boss of AQA, is the next step in the “evolution” of learning.
If (and only if) the chief purpose of schools is to reflect wider society, this makes perfect sense.
Handwriting is already near extinction.
I am writing this on my laptop; you are reading it in print, perhaps on a screen.
When was the last time you wrote anything longer than a shopping list by hand?
Even typing – even texting – is starting to look old hat.
My children just dictate into their phones, or send voice messages.
The time may come when the ability to transcribe thoughts onto paper using only a pencil and your fine motor skills will be so rare that normal people will marvel at it.
Like baking your own bread (once the most ordinary of domestic skills), writing by hand will seem incredibly sophisticated; the sort of accomplishment you only achieve if you have the time, leisure and inclination for self-improvement.
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only reason I mentioned a certain Faith Group was because I didnt like the idea of turning human Beings into “Pink Mist” regardless of their Faith or Cultural affiliations … and even then I wasn’t rude or belligerent.
Mark, if you are genuinely not Bird, I might give you the benefit of the doubt re ‘pink mist’, which is an horrific concept if taken literally. Regarding Israel though, you appear tone deaf, hopeless at symbolic nuance, and oblivious to context or moral clarity. Something of a blunderbuss? Fools walk in etc.
Just my view maybe.
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Mark Bolton
Oct 31, 2023 11:34 PM
Salvatore, Iron Publican
Oct 31, 2023 11:12 PMDid you work ‘door’ in the 1930s?
well yes I actually did .. it is all on my Resume …
You crazy mf’er
You also said today you became self aware and understood epistemology when you were around six months old.
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My barber for a long time, Laurie, was a Vietnam veteran. He was in 8RAR, The “Grey Eight”. He was batman and radio boy for Major Michael Jeffrey who became Governor General in later life. He admitted how he was never at the sharp end, but said that blokes were looked after well over there.
Bob Whittaker was just a troll.
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Hamas horrors you luckily won’t see — glimpse of terror too sick for Israel to air
By Kelly Jane Torrance
What does one wear to a massacre?
That was the bizarre question that came into my head as I prepared — and braced myself — to visit the Israeli Consulate in New York late Friday morning to watch 45 minutes of the hundreds of hours of footage collected from Hamas’ Oct. 7 bloodbath in southern Israel.
I had some idea of the horrors I’d see, of course.
Photographs and videos showing the results of the terrorist rampage have streamed out of Israel and the Gaza Strip for weeks — some even as it was taking place.
Dead terrorists had on them written orders that included directions for operating GoPro cameras to capture their evil escapades and sometimes broadcast them in real time on social media.
Hamas and its Iranian masters wanted the dirty deeds documented. They aimed to terrorize an entire nation and beyond by showing just what they’re capable of.
And they sought to inspire their fellow travelers to follow suit in intensifying the jihad.
Yet some people still say they don’t believe such things happened — with doubters found in the most educated, elite sectors of society.
Hence Friday’s special event.
I used to be a movie critic, and I can tell you the mood at this screening was unlike any other.
None of us wanted to see such sights. But none of us would give up the opportunity. The world needs to know what happened as even “reputable” news organizations refuse to tell the truth about that gruesome day.
Journalists, about 20 of us, had to leave our cellphones and Apple Watches at the door. Some of the footage had never been released, and Israeli authorities had their reasons for showing it only to reporters and some select others — like President Biden.
They’re concerned about the feelings of the families involved, of course.
They also don’t want such horror and humiliation broadcast worldwide: “We have values,” as retired major general and reservist Mickey Edelstein declared in a Zoom briefing from Israel after the screening.
Am I trying to give you the proper context before describing what I saw? Or am I putting off putting into words images I’ll never forget?
Follow along with The Post’s live blog for the latest on Hamas’ attack on Israel
I’ve learned how ugly the world can be. I recently spent a few weeks in Ukraine, where I heard firsthand story after story of the indignities and inhumanity of Russian occupation.
I’ve interviewed Iranian escapees from Tehran’s notorious prison for dissidents, including a young brother and sister tortured in front of each other.
But human beings still have the capacity to shock — if one can call Hamas members human beings. I’ll long be haunted by what happened Oct. 7.
Everyone should be.
The footage eases you into things — a little. Terrorists fire at motorists on a highway. They enter a kibbutz and blow an ambulance’s tires first. They shoot a dog, who remains shaking on the street. They light a home on fire. Then they start entering houses.
Israel collected video from a wide variety of sources: public closed-circuit TV, traffic cameras, dashcams of terrorists and victims, as well as their social media posts and messages home. In footage from fighters’ body cameras, you can hear the murderers breathe heavily as they nervously approach their prey.
I wanted to look away
It was hard to watch. Harder still for the Israelis. The consul general admitted afterward he couldn’t stay for the whole screening. Another staffer seemed to find most difficult to see and hear some of the same footage I did: A father tries to get his young children, dressed only in underpants, safely to a backyard shelter.
A grenade lands before he can close the door, and he’s dead. A terrorist takes his two boys back into the house, and a security camera captures their devastation. The blast blinded one boy in an eye. The other falls to the ground, plaintively pleading, “Why am I alive? Why am I alive?” (The boys, we’re told, managed to escape — at least physically.)
We see homes in kibbutzim, fields young concertgoers ran through, Israel Defense Forces installations with terrified young women huddling in a room.
Blood. Blood everywhere, trails of it, puddles of it. Burned bodies still smoking. A man with his nose blown off. Headless Israeli soldiers. An elderly woman clad only in her brightly colored underwear never meant to be seen by so many. Piles of bodies surrounded by young men celebrating, chanting, “Allahu akbar!”
Some footage has been geolocated to Gaza. A broken woman is taken from the back of a Jeep, the rear of her pants coated in blood, and brought to the back seat. We can easily understand what’s likely happening to her there. Young men clamor over, trying to get a look inside, some recording with their cellphones. Two older men walk over — finally, this will stop, I almost think. No: They wanted a good look, too.
Women who were raped had their legs broken, consulate staff said. Then they were killed.
Many times I wanted to look away, but I forced myself not to. We journalists had to see what happened so we could tell the world.
Yet here is a line from a CBS News piece written by a journalist who saw the footage in Israel: “In another clip, a militant stands over a man who appears to have been shot in the gut and hacks at him multiple times with a garden hoe.”
The words “terrorist” or “terrorism” don’t appear in the piece. (They don’t appear in the New York Times’ report of that screening either.)
I can tell you it was not “a militant” who “stands over a man.” A group of terrorists argue over who gets to behead the man, a Thai worker bleeding profusely from his stomach but still alive. Someone does repeatedly hack at him with a hoe, trying to behead him. Every single time, the terrorist yells, “Allahu akbar!”
Support for atrocities
That difference in detail is why the consulate staff sat through 45 minutes of misery.
They need people to see what happened — and put the word out to counter those who pretend it didn’t or wasn’t as bad as claimed. Journalists from supposedly serious publications insist you can’t say Hamas beheaded babies — sure, dead babies were found without their heads, but who knows who did the deed?
The hate I witnessed goes beyond those who entered Israel that day. A young man uses a dead Israeli woman’s phone to call his parents and brag of killing 10 Jews “with my bare hands.”
He pleads, “Please be proud of me, Dad.”
That’s the culture Israel must fight even after it destroys those who planned and executed the Oct. 7 massacre.
And then there’s New York City. A day after the screening, thousands of antisemites marched into Manhattan via the Brooklyn Bridge after a rally at the Brooklyn Museum. At the front were people holding a banner that read “By any means necessary.”
Understand what signs like that, which are becoming more and more common, mean.
These people know what happened Oct. 7.
They are gathering in large numbers in New York and other cities around the country to show their support for the animals who committed these atrocities.
They are as bloodthirsty as the heavy-breathing terrorists whose voices the people of Israel will never get out of their heads.
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I’ve a feeling there’ll never be a citation produced, for any claim the jabbering cadaver makes.
There is a reason for that.
Way back machine is a little slow, however I’ll give it a burl tomorrow.
This the link the then “Steve at the pub” praising Prince Andrew.
https://catallaxyfiles.com/2015/01/03/open-forum-january-3-2015/comment-page-4/#comments
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There is so much incomprehensible shit on this page that any useful and serious posts have been swamped.
I have read the Cat door a number of years but it’s time for a holiday.
Maybe a few on here will get a little self awareness a n d grow up,otherwise the wankers will be talking amongst themselves.
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There is so much incomprehensible shit on this page that any useful and serious posts have been swamped.
I have read the Cat for a number of years but it’s time for a holiday.
Maybe a few on here will get a little self awareness a n d grow up,otherwise the wankers will be talking amongst themselves.
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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Oct 31, 2023 11:38 PMWhy thank you for your kindly reply …
“Mark, if you are genuinely not Bird, I might give you the benefit of the doubt re ‘pink mist’…
I am so horrified I can barely think straight.
As I have always said I am not partisan. I am a student of propaganda and hence do not traffic in same.
I do know what “pink mist” is and it only horrifys me more …
That any one could make light of such …
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