Open Thread – Mon 20 Nov 2023


La Grenouillere, Auguste Renoir, 1869

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alwaysright
alwaysright
November 21, 2023 9:17 am

Ah, the ‘just some naughty boys’ deflection.

Indeed.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 21, 2023 9:18 am

FMD. Watching monty defend the actions of Hamas is an unedifying spectacle.
Someone posted about some change in narrative from the dance festival, where Hamas didn’t know this event was taking place. Which of course is incorrect.
I think those who are loudest in their condemnation of Israel for retaliation have had the the atrocities held up to their face as a mirror and they don’t like it.
But rather than say “I was wrong” these arseholes double down. “It’s CGI” etc etc so they are tacitly admitting that they actually approve of the Hamas approach against “the oppressor.”
I do Facebook and I linked an article about the decapitated babies. Get a fact check thingy whereby it said the babies were merely shot indiscriminately. Like that makes a difference.
Monty, Hamas are your lot. You can try and contort until you break your back to suggest otherwise but you own this.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 9:20 am

Palestinian civilians, on the other hand, they don’t deserve to be ethnically cleansed.

And they are not.
Apparently providing civilians safe passage away from an active war zone is ethnic cleansing in left wing double speak.
They should have been forced to stay behind so they could be war casualties instead.
I’m so sick of hamas apologists.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 9:21 am

Palestinian civilians, on the other hand, they don’t deserve to be ethnically cleansed.

They haven’t had a legitimate government for 17 years and no one is ethnically cleansing anyone. They would objectively be better off as Israelis. 8% of the Knesset is Arab Israelis.

You are verging on supporting ideas like anything but an ethnostate is genocidal. Which would mean everyone in Anglosphere countries are constantly being genocided. It’s just nonsense.

Israel is fighting the war very honourably.

Whatever happens, Gaza or Palestine in totality is better off without Hamas.

Winston Smith
November 21, 2023 9:21 am

rosie
Nov 21, 2023 4:55 AM

40 children remain in captivity.

Is there any news about the lady with the two redhead babies?
Not sure if I’m linking properly – test.

132andBush
132andBush
November 21, 2023 9:22 am

I’m perplexed as to why I am being put in the same category as m0nty.

Yeah that’s a weird take.

alwaysright
alwaysright
November 21, 2023 9:23 am

In this world war against reason, once again we have our Quislings and Petains.

Crossie
Crossie
November 21, 2023 9:24 am

Argentina has 150% inflation and socialists have been in power destroying that country for 40 years

And even *they* could handcount all their votes in 1 night and declare a Presidential winner

Meanwhile in America our vote totals in swing states ‘magically’ change at 4 AM after mysterious vote spikes occur without any GOP monitors and then 3 days later a Democrat is announced the “winner

US is now an example to the world of what not to do and it only took four years to get there.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 9:24 am

I have always been a fanboi of Pineapplehead, despite him having the hips of a woman.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 9:25 am
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 21, 2023 9:26 am

In Eunuch to the Court of Emperor Xi news:

Albanese evasive on China navy incident

Anthony Albanese says Beijing has been left in no doubt that the “reckless, unsafe and unprofessional” actions of its navy in the East China Sea last week would damage the recovering relationship between Australia and China.

Although Mr Albanese said on Saturday he raised with Mr Xi the removal of remaining trade sanctions on Australia wine, lobster and beef, he said on Monday, when pushed over the navy incident, that it would be inappropriate to divulge the contents of the discussion because it was not a formal bilateral meeting.

So, no, then.
Bilateral lobsters, yes.

Underlining, bolding, and highlighting the critical importance of all this Prime Ministerial International Diplomacy. Unless you’re actually there, you don’t get to talk lobsters with the decision makers.

In safe hands.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 21, 2023 9:27 am

I gather many is one this year in the UK.
Although a court is yet to establish if A had anything to do with B.

132andBush
132andBush
November 21, 2023 9:27 am

Palestinian civilians, on the other hand, they don’t deserve to be ethnically cleansed

Again, trying to delegitimise and alter the language.

What DOES “From the river to the sea…” mean, monty?

mem
mem
November 21, 2023 9:28 am

Min
Nov 21, 2023 8:16 AM
Hi Min, are you going to the IPA Xmas do and Ian Plimer book launch? I will be going on my own, the first such outing since my burst brain aneurism and brain surgery. I am almost back to normal and only have some residual weakness in one leg. It would be great to catch up.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 9:31 am

I’m perplexed as to why I am being put in the same category as m0nty.

Probably the fort you have made in your loungeroom out of empty krispy creme boxes and the personal hygiene sponge on a stick you are using.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W76D67Xs5l0

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 21, 2023 9:31 am

In Wrist, Meet Wet Lettuce news, Hun:

China took aim at Australia “making trouble” as Prime Minister Anthony Albanese slammed the country as “dangerous” just days after talks with Chairman Xi Jinping.

Facing criticism over whether he kept quiet about an incident by the Chinese navy, that left an Australian diver injured, until after APEC meetings, Mr Albanese broke his silence to call the clash “unsafe and unprofessional”.

The Chinese Communist Party’s propaganda machine went into overdrive at the criticism and threatened that it could scuttle the progress made between the two countries’ leaders, who met at last week’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation in San Francisco.

What actual progress was made? Beside the higher estimation of Albo’s handsomeness in his own mind?

Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Mao Ning disputed accusations against the Chinese Navy for releasing sonar blasts while two Australians were in the water nearby, claiming its military “always operates professionally”.

“We hope relevant parties will stop making trouble in front of China’s doorsteps and work with China to preserve the momentum of improving and growing China-Australia ties,” Ning said.

Defence ministry spokesman Wu Qian added that Australia’s version of events was “completely inconsistent with the facts”.

“We urge the Australian side to respect the facts, stop making reckless and irresponsible accusations against China,” Wu told AFP, adding China “did not engage in any activities that may have affected the Australian divers”.

“The Chinese military’s ‘Ningbo’ destroyer took measures such as tracking, monitoring, identification, and verification in accordance with the law and regulations.”

Again to repeat a commenter earlier, where it happened is key.

The unusually colourful official statements coincided with a carefully choreographed front-page of the state-controlled Global Times website questioning Australia’s purpose in the waters near China.

Anonymous Chinese military experts quoted by the Global Times, designated by the US State Department as a “foreign mission”, or the propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party, said the location of the incident was not disclosed because Australia “has a guilty conscience”.

Must be the failure of Teh Voice.

“Did the incident take place near China’s Diaoyu Islands or the island of Taiwan? Or was it close to a PLA training exercise? If that is the case, it was obvious that the Australian warship provoked China in the first place,” the expert said.

They added it was likely the Chinese ship, from the naval wing of the People’s Liberation Army, likely issued verbal warnings but was “forced” to send a warning through sonar being “ignored” by HMAS Toowoomba.

Editorials and so-called “expert” commentary in the Global Times following international incidents are widely seen as state-sanctioned views of the Chinese Communist Party beyond their official statements.

Zhang Junshe, a researcher at the People’s Liberation Army Naval Military Academic Research Institute, added patrols by Chinese warships on “China’s doorstep” were normal but were bing “hyped as a China threat”.

“Australia said it had fishing nets that had become entangled around its frigate’s propellers,” Zhang said.

“It shows that such a close-in reconnaissance attempt not only posed threats to China’s national security, but also to the normal maritime work of fishing boats.”

The Royal Australian Navy divers were forced out of international waters off the coast of Japan by the Chinese destroyer’s sonar on Tuesday, but the incident was not disclosed until after the conclusion of Mr Albanese’s meetings with Chairman Xi at APEC.

Albo’s response:

When pressed in an interview with Sky News, Mr Albanese dodged whether he discussed the incident directly with Xi and instead said the issue was raised “in the appropriate way and very clearly”.

“China is in no misunderstanding on Australia’s view on this,” he said. “This was dangerous, it was unsafe and unprofessional from the Chinese forces,’’

“This is the sort of incident I’ve spoken about … why we need communication and guard rails, and we need to avoid reckless events like this. This is why we’ve made our strong objections to China.”

And what we’re those objections? A cease in trade? Sending their ambassador home?
Why we need communication and guard rails. Wtf does that mean Handsome Boy?
Here’s what Albo really said to Xi. Nothing.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 9:32 am

I’m perplexed as to why I am being put in the same category as m0nty.

Perhaps because you have some grand plan on what the Israelis should do.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 9:34 am
rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 9:36 am
Top Ender
Top Ender
November 21, 2023 9:37 am

In Singapore again. Strange, no rubbish on the roadsides, and no derros.

Crossie
Crossie
November 21, 2023 9:37 am

Along the way, Chan-Malik converted to Islam. She’s now an associate professor at Rutgers University whose research focuses on the history of Islam and Islamophobia in the US
..
Grewal, the Yale professor
..
Educating women might have been an error as well.
Their wandering uterus’ seem to make them suckers for every fad going.

Mole, this instance and others of the sort simply proved that there are many so-called educated women, particularly in our elite academic institutions, who are into Bondage and sado-masochism. I noticed the same in the 70s and 80s feminist publications like Cosmopolitan that published articles advocating BDSM that was pushed only by the top tier of women, other women simply recoiled from it.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 9:38 am

Perhaps because you have some grand plan on what the Israelis should do.

I’ve also said the IDF need no advice and also shown how a “river to the sea” plan is possible without destroying Israel; to wit, the chant really isn’t about freeing Palestine.

The fact of the matter is Arab States stopped threatening Israel’s existence when they were crippled militarily. Against asymmetric forces; that might require occupation. The dynamic disincentive effect is not to be ignored. Assad and Tehran are still meddling with no regards to human life.

Take it is free advice, not a grand plan. Israel certainly doesn’t need our help, let alone our perennial undergraduate FM meddling.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 21, 2023 9:39 am

In Singapore again. Strange, no rubbish on the roadsides, and no derros.

No graffiti?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 21, 2023 9:40 am

A reminder: there is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing.

Damn straight. Those Hamas a-holes really don’t have a leg to stand on. Happily, since Hamas is not a race, I have no problem with their utter extermination.

What amazes me is the restraint of the Israelis – dealing with an enemy that acknowledges no rule or convention that would check their lust for blood, their sadism, their duplicity, their treachery, their savagery, and their disregard for human life that has no parallel amongst any other species on the planet.

In the face of the above it would seem all too easy for a person to be less discriminating in their targets – any one of whom may turn out suddenly to be a threat. Instead they are warning Palestinians to get out of harm’s way, and ushering them out of the warzones and even putting themselves in the firing line to protect Palestinians that Hamas is firing upon to stop them leaving.

Miltonf
Miltonf
November 21, 2023 9:41 am

Why do we even try to be friends with the chicoms? Might as well try and make friends with a death adder. What a contemptible little piece of trash anal is. I bet the Canbra pubes love him though.

bons
bons
November 21, 2023 9:42 am

In today’s standup highlights:

“It is critical that the war in Gaza is reported with strict balance”: ABC chief director of comedy Anderson.

“Jim Chalmers should be appointed as PM”. CCP director of Australian comedy, Keating. You would almost believe that Little Jimbo had written a panegyric about the pig farmer.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 9:43 am

Take it is free advice, not a grand plan. Israel certainly doesn’t need our help, let alone our perennial undergraduate FM meddling.

Indeed.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 9:44 am

Change my mind: we’d be better off with a permanent 6% OCR that needs to be repaid in gold specie or BTC.

Crossie
Crossie
November 21, 2023 9:44 am

Just watched on Fox News the lighting of the Christmas tree. They had a Baptist reverend, a rabbi and Cardinal Dolan say their blessings. I thought, and now they will trot out an imam but I am so relieved that they did not.

It is really inspiring that they did it this year as I don’t remember the blessings from previous years but I could be wrong.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 9:47 am

Palestinian civilians, on the other hand, they don’t deserve to be ethnically cleansed.

I’ll just remind others here that on 7 October 2023 many Palestinian civilians also went into southern Israel to rape, butcher, kidnap and slaughter Jews. On that gruesome day they participated in an exercise of “ethnic cleansing”. Those Jews of southern Israel did not deserve to be ethnically cleansed. Hear this, the invasion on 7 October 2023 was all about ethnic cleansing.

It’s clear our resident Nazi doesn’t mind some ethnic cleansing, it just depends on who’s doing the ethnic cleansing.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 9:51 am
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 21, 2023 9:58 am

Palestinian civilians, on the other hand, they don’t deserve to be ethnically cleansed

Obviously not.

But language matters. Sadly, the useful and quite specific term “ethnic cleansing” has disappeared into the meaningless fug of political hyperbowel – along with genocide, holocaust, Fascism and pretty much every ‘ism’ in the English language.

Next up: The grant for my [insert ethnicity here] interpretive dance troupe has been knocked back – it’s literal ethnic cleansing…

C.L.
C.L.
November 21, 2023 9:59 am

Monty:

A reminder: there is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing.

Also Monty:

Go, Azov! Exterminate those eastern Russians! Sieg heil!

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 21, 2023 10:04 am

In Singapore again. Strange, no rubbish on the roadsides, and no derros.

No graffiti?

Six strokes of the heavy cane.
Plus a fine.

C.L.
C.L.
November 21, 2023 10:06 am

dad’s army

At this point, Zelensky and the Nazis who control him are persisting only because martial law protects them from being lynched.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 10:07 am
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 21, 2023 10:11 am

8% of the Knesset is Arab Israelis.

You know years ago, when I had not acquainted myself with certain of the details, I thought the Arab Israelis were historically different to the Palestinians.

They aren’t, of course. It is just the ones called ‘Palestinians’ now are a subgroup of the Arabs who gave themselves a special new name to make it look like they had a special historical claim to what they British called Palestine – because all the senior bureaucrats had classical educations.

The Arab Israelis (that, exclusing the self-styled Palestinians) are the proof that there is no necessary conflic between Jews and Arabs in Israel. The Palis could have the same comfortable lives as the other Arabs.

But from the day they are born they are lied to. Gaza: Stockholm Syndrome by the sea.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 10:12 am
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 21, 2023 10:14 am

Even if you wanted to, you could not ethnically cleanse the Palestinians – they are not an enthnicity.

Wipe out Gaza and the West Bank and you still have all the other Arabs in Israel.

Asking those in the know – how do the other Arabs in Israel feel about the plight of the Palis? Those rockets would be landing on their heads too, surely.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 21, 2023 10:14 am

Rinehart siblings side-by-side for battle over family billions

By paul garvey
Senior Reporter
@PDGarvey
Updated 10:03PM November 20, 2023, First published at 5:35PM November 20, 2023

Showing a unity that has rarely been associated with the family, John Hancock was side-by-side with his sister Bianca Rinehart as they walked into the Western Australian Supreme Court on Monday.

The pair were there to hear their legal team, headed by Christopher Withers SC, deliver their closing arguments as to why much of Australia’s biggest fortune should not be in the hands of their mother, Gina Rinehart, but them.

John and Bianca occupy one corner of a sprawling, long-running legal battle against their mother for control of the hugely lucrative Hope Downs and East Angelas iron ore deposits in the Pilbara.
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John and Bianca believe they are trying to deliver on the wishes of their grandfather, iron ore pioneer Lang Hancock, in their efforts to wrest control from their mother. At the same time, Wright Prospecting – the company owned by the descendants of Lang’s business partner Peter Wright – is arguing that they should be entitled to interests in the iron ore projects.

Up until Monday, Bianca had been the only one of the high-profile individuals behind the case to attend the courtroom in person.

The two siblings listened as Mr Withers detailed the various events stretching back decades that shaped their case.

Mr Withers said Lang had had to go it alone in his efforts to secure the Hope Downs tenements after both Mrs Rinehart and Wright Prospecting wanted nothing to do with his plans for the project.

The Hope Downs tenements had been stripped from the partners by the state government several years earlier, but Lang lobbied hard for them to be returned.

The central plank of Lang’s pitch was a plan to export ore from the tenements to Romania, in an attempt to satisfy the state’s desire to diversify iron ore demand away from Japan.

But the iron ore pioneer’s enthusiasm for dealing with the communist regime of Nicolae Ceau?escu was not shared by Wright Prospecting or Mrs Rinehart, which Mr Withers said was the reason Lang pursued the venture through another subsidiary, Hancock Mining (HML), rather than through the HPPL entity in which Mrs Rinehart was a shareholder.

“WPPL didn’t want to go into the business of exporting ore to Romania and left it to Lang to pursue that opportunity on his own. Gina didn’t want HPPL to have anything to do with it, so it was HML that pursued the opportunity,” Mr Withers said.

Mrs Rinehart, the two children say, committed fraud when she later absorbed Hancock Mining and Hope Downs into HPPL.

“The mining assets had to be acquired by HPPL through fraud because Gina and HPPL had no legitimate means of acquiring the assets,” Mr Withers said.

“They were unwilling to pay fair value for them. And they’d been given legal advice that HPPL could not prove its claim that the tenements were held on constructive trust for HPPL.”

He argued that the court should take into account Mrs Rinehart’s decision not to step into the witness box in an effort to explain the transactions that brought the Hope Downs tenements into HPPL.

“We say there’s a vast body of evidence that shows that she did know what he was doing, and Gina wouldn’t get in the witness box to deny it,” he said.

WPPL’s case, Mr Withers said, was driven by their regret of not stepping in to participate in the project when they had a chance.

The Romanian plans ultimately fell away, and the Hope Downs deposits have since been mined for several years in joint venture with mining giant Rio Tinto.

Frank
Frank
November 21, 2023 10:16 am

October 7 does not morally justify turning Gaza into rubble.

It provides stimulus for the local construction industry.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
November 21, 2023 10:17 am

dad’s army

At this point, Zelensky and the Nazis who control him are persisting only because martial law protects them from being lynched.

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Putin if you think Ol’Ukraine is done…

bons
bons
November 21, 2023 10:17 am

Help. I have lost the URL for the excellent middle east war daily summary blog that is put up here each day.

C.L.
C.L.
November 21, 2023 10:20 am

I note that the Churchill cosplayers on The Australian’s roster of neocons have all been benched. The newspaper’s coverage of the Ukraine catastrophe has been a disgrace.

Not long ago, they were running puff-pieces on “Aussies” who’d travelled to Ukraine to fight in the war. (Illegally). All of these were regular Australian Army – which is to say, untrained for combat. Another one of them has been confirmed KIA. Died in October – aged 21 – long after the war was lost. No doubt he was inspired to go over there by the media’s lionisation of the corrupt imbeciles in Kiev.

Let’s talk about misinformation and its consequences.

Chris
Chris
November 21, 2023 10:20 am

It provides stimulus for the local construction industry.

Keynes is the God Emperor! Just ask an economic journalist.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 10:21 am
Frank
Frank
November 21, 2023 10:21 am

Next up: The grant for my [insert ethnicity here] interpretive dance troupe has been knocked back – it’s literal ethnic cleansing…

My dear old mother always thought Arafat looked like a grubby little man that needed a good wash. Pity for him that soap doesn’t work on the aids.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 10:22 am

All hail Vlad the shirtless defender of the west.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 10:23 am

Rinehart siblings side-by-side for battle over family billions

Gina has an oped in the Tele today btw.

Zippster
Zippster
November 21, 2023 10:25 am

Those terrorists deserve to be tried and convicted. It is a criminal matter.

most of the gazans were in military uniform. its an act of war turdface, and israel rightfully declared war back.

terrorists have no protection from any international law nor any convention. israel is free to kill every single last one that holds a gun or provides shelter and supplies to these islamic jihadists. Non-combatants were told to leave the combat zone, if they want to stay and martyr themselves or their children in search of the promised 40 hooris then so be it.

Israel should show no mercy

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 10:27 am

Let’s talk about misinformation and its consequences.

Heh. Incidentally our old mate Igor Girkin has resurfaced again. He says he wants to run against Poot for Prez. That’s quite popcornworthy.

Delta A
Delta A
November 21, 2023 10:28 am

Dot, what news of the egg? Did your pterodactyl safely hatch?

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 10:32 am
Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 10:32 am

Here’s an interesting fact: all birds are technically dinosaurs, but thanks for asking, Delta A!

Vicki
Vicki
November 21, 2023 10:35 am

Just done my daily walk around the farm – as was my routine until a little over a month ago when I contacted the latest Covid strain. It was incredibly restorative. The annual flock of migratory ducks have arrived & are grazing on the seeds in the paddocks. We are fortunate in still having enough coverage to enable our stock to be quite fat. I passed by them on the walk & noticed that I will have to get the shears or scissors to one of the steers who habitually has horrific knots as he sheds his winter coat. Farmers on the blog take note – these are special breed Galloways, some of whom were handled as poddy calves, and so are very tame. Mind you – I have to be particularly careful not to pull too hard on the knots!

We are still eager for rain. Everyday the sky taints us by darkening, promising a deluge. But if it produces anything at all – it is just a few drops to wet the grass. The large neighbouring property to our SE and SW is overstocked, causing the manager to fret since they are reluctant to sell with the price of cattle so low. Not that you would know it in the supermarket as prices for lamb and beef are so high. Someone is making a lot of money – and it isn’t the farmers.

The lawns are a bit brown & only recover when we arrive to put sprinklers on. The gardens and trees are all on a timed sprinkler system – so they are all flourishing. So too, is the vegetable garden. An oasis in a what is slowly becoming once more “the wide brown land’.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 10:37 am

LOL. Only a government could lose money selling a weed that grows like a weed.

The biggest pot distributor in California has collapsed (20 Nov)

“I do feel like we’re going to see a significant and material number of closures, up and down the supply chain,” Wesley Hein, the president of the Cannabis Distribution Association, told SFGATE.

Observers in the industry say that HERBL’s demise shows how cannabis companies in California are forced to abide by a more difficult set of rules than other industries. They also argue that if HERBL were a different type of company, the state government would have stepped in to save it.

In short the free marketeers of the black economy can produce better and cheaper stuff than the government regulated industry can. And since California doesn’t seem to prosecute anybody for anything these days they can avoid all the taxes with impunity. Hilarious that about the only capitalists in California are illegal pot growers.

Figures
Figures
November 21, 2023 10:43 am

In the face of the above it would seem all too easy for a person to be less discriminating in their targets – any one of whom may turn out suddenly to be a threat. Instead they are warning Palestinians to get out of harm’s way, and ushering them out of the warzones and even putting themselves in the firing line to protect Palestinians that Hamas is firing upon to stop them leaving.

And it never does Israel any good because people side with strength not kindness. Monty is on the side of Hamas because he believes that only the Arabs can win eventually. If there was any kind of price to be paid for his disgusting opinions he wouldn’t dare hold them.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 10:43 am

The Left has found a rabbi that they like!

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 21, 2023 10:52 am

Some suggestions in online commentary that RAN divers trying to tap into Chinese comms cables and driven off.

Putting two cents worth in on that. As ex-Navy, and as a diver with around 1500 dives up I can say it’s bollocks. Some thoughts:

a) doing something covert with divers is not done underneath a bloody big warship

b) ship divers in the RAN are deployed all the time for repair/ship’s husbandry tasks which include fishing net removal. One of the most mundane in ship basins is when Jolly Jack sailor has dropped an expensive wrench over the side

c) Chunk naval forces were likely just showing off by radiating with their sonar. Less capable navies do silly things like light up their fire-control radars and so on all the time in chest-beating exercises.

d) it is the height of bad manners to radiate sonar like that when a ship nearby has the international diver flag flying. It’s akin to idiots on jet ski’s blasting past dive boats, and if the two sides meet up afterwards on shore those driving would likely get a fist in the face over it.

That is all.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
November 21, 2023 10:55 am

thefrollickingmole
Nov 21, 2023 8:51 AM
ABCcess finally noticing the big grey pachyderm taking up most of the room.

By ramping up immigration and creating the conditions that mean the reserve bank must keep increasing interest rates to supposedly tame inflation. The ALP is basically pricing australians out of the property market and making room for the wealthy chinese they’ve now allowed to buy property without permanent residency.

Winston Smith
November 21, 2023 10:55 am

A quick question for the Buy Australian newcats….
I need a new fridge, the one I want is a Kelvinator and a customer review on their website states it is made in Australia.
However there’s weasel wording that comments from buyers are not Kelvinators. So not their responsibility.
This looks quite deceptive to me.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 21, 2023 10:55 am

Albo’s buddy Xi has decided to halt all fertiliser exports last week.
The price for Aussie farmers will rise significantly with higher freight from alternative sources and supply shortages from unmet demand.
Thanks Luigi – Super Genius!

Vicki
Vicki
November 21, 2023 10:55 am

And it never does Israel any good because people side with strength not kindness.

I don’t think that is universal, Figures. In many ways, the distribution of support and opposition is predictable. It reflects, substantially, one’s world view. Many see humankind as predators – there are the strong and the weak. Such people, perhaps being fearful within, instinctively support those perceived as “weak”, irrespective of the issues at stake.

As example of this is a conversation I once had with a well educated and intelligent friend. He claimed that terrorists were the product of “poverty” -an argument which I’m sure many of you have encountered & which is applicable to the Gazan situation. I responded that if this were the case, India would be a nation of terrorists!
He just laughed and changed the subject.

Frank
Frank
November 21, 2023 10:56 am

This guy lays out the hamas strategy pretty clearly. Probably not really news to anyone but succinct and clear.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 21, 2023 11:00 am

Some kids had Pet Rocks – we’ve got Monty.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 21, 2023 11:01 am

Electric vehicles have been dubbed the future of everyday travel for Australians.

But I recently took a trip from Sydney to Melbourne – and back – in one go and can confirm the low-cost, high-convenience EV dream is far from reality.

Not only did it cost me more in electricity each way than it would have in petrol, but it also took 25 per cent longer to reach my destination because I had to keep stopping to power up.

Daily Mail

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 21, 2023 11:02 am

The price for Aussie farmers will rise significantly with higher freight from alternative sources and supply shortages from unmet demand.

An attempt to manufacture fertilizer on the Burrup Peninsula is under threat because the plant will destroy cave paintings and songlines…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 11:03 am

TE – There seems to be a twist in the story.

‘Harmful’ sonar action by China condemned by Philippines (Paywallian)

Philippines security officials have condemned China’s use of sonar near Australian Navy divers this month as ‘irresponsible’.

I don’t know what the article is saying but for the Philippines government to pop up and say this suggests there’s something else going on. Been several clashes between the Chinks and the Philippines lately with quite a lot of heavy bullying from PLAN auxilliaries.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 21, 2023 11:04 am

Like calling everyone a “Nazi”
Like calling everything “rape”.
The word loses all meaning.
Israel would have the capability to flatten Gaza to dust.
If it’s a “genocide” why is the “Palestinian” population increasing?

Like the words “occupation” and “open air prison” which are bandied about by m0nster types.
“Occupation” means no more than border controls over imports of goods similar to what you might experience bringing goods in through the Port of Melbourne.
Or immigration controls which wouldn’t look out of place at LAX or Heathrow.
What they really, really want is to run totally free-range murder squads into Israel with impunity, and import masses of heavy weaponry from the mad mullahs in Iran.
As for the “open air prison”, one side of that is the border with Egypt. Are they the jailers too?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 11:07 am

Electric vehicles have been dubbed the future of everyday travel for Australians.

LOL. Also in the Paywallian today:

Labor’s electric dreams running on empty

Chris Bowen’s electric vehicle strategy is on track to fail after government department officials predicted fewer than a third of new car sales would be battery-operated by 2030.

I would bet the number would be on the order of 5%, nowhere near even a third. The Oz likes to be coy about EVs for managerial reasons though.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 21, 2023 11:09 am

Frank

Nov 21, 2023 10:16 AM

October 7 does not morally justify turning Gaza into rubble.

It provides stimulus for the local construction industry.

And they haven’t “cut off the power”.
They are contributing to Gaza reaching net zero.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 21, 2023 11:13 am

E Grieg’s music is sublime, one of the best romantic composer.
My opinion of only course.

He certainly doesn’t do the smell of orange blossom on warm summer nights and the heady swoon of a velvet dusk. His romance is full of sad longing and resolute striving in a cold land. Peer Gynt has it all.

Grieg chimes in naturally with beyond forty-two degrees north in the one hemisphere and forty-two degrees south in the other. His is music for those crystal nights or shrouded-in-mist days in the winter depths of Tromso; or Hobart. Peer Gynt is one of my absolute favorites to listen to in both wintery places.

There is an almost seasonal sense of loss and human frailties running through Grieg’s music, catching at time’s coat-tails in the face of a spiritual maw, infused as it is with the birches and firs, forlorn lakes and desolate mountain vistas of his homeland. I’ll never forget Norway’s lonely hidden Trollfjorden, in its overwhelming silence as we sipped cups of hot firewater at minus sixteen Celsius from the deck of a cruise ship that had narrowly crept in to this small ampitheatre through the tight single channel. Intruders that we were to this haunt of Grieg’s Mountain Kings.

Hugh
Hugh
November 21, 2023 11:16 am

Winston

It can be very hard to find straight answers about where certain items are manufactured. This is what the Kelvinator website itself says. Not very helpful, I know.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 11:18 am

who are into Bondage and sado-masochism

Add bestiality and they will be flogging a dead horse.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 11:19 am

If the horse doesn’t have reins, is it really bondage?

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 11:23 am

m0nty
Nov 21, 2023 8:58 AM
Which by definition can never be imperialist. It is anti Imperialist.

Conquering nations for anti-imperialism!!

Defeating nations that start wars.

Think before typing, mUttley Merkin.

Winston Smith
November 21, 2023 11:24 am

Top Ender:

c) Chunk naval forces were likely just showing off by radiating with their sonar. Less capable navies do silly things like light up their fire-control radars and so on all the time in chest-beating exercises.

I very much doubt the political officer on board would have allowed this to happen unless he had authorisation from well above. This was deliberate and is standard for Chinese intimidation tactics.
The routine denial is also standard. How can you deal with someone who lies about everything, Even when they know we know they are lying?
It is really frustrating and that’s why they do it.
“The world is full of arseholes.”
We have the same problem. Our ‘leaders’ make common cause with, and refuse to engage with arseholes. These are not the actions of a political class that is representing Australia’s needs.
And the arseholes are encouraged to keep bullying us, until they step over a red line. Then step over the next red line, then the next one.
Israel is having the same problem – the Muslims slaughter Jews. The Israelis hit back. The UN stops Israel from finishing them off. The muslims are encouraged to repeat the slaughters.
Israel needs to leave the suffocating embrace of the UN which demands they stand up and be beaten.
Leave the UN, then tell everyone they will nuke into oblivion any state or non state actor that kills Jews. If Hezbollah attacks, they should obliterate Iran. If Hamas attacks, drench the Gaza Strip in sarin.
No one will think any less of them – FFS, no one can think any less of them.
Israel is fighting for its life – make their aggressors fight for theirs.

Megan
Megan
November 21, 2023 11:30 am

Western journalists Monty will never reset the lethal prism through which they refract he refracts the Palestinian war against the Jews.

Fixed it.

Delta A
Delta A
November 21, 2023 11:31 am

Winnie at 10:55 AM.

I think you’ll find that most “Australian Made” appliances have some components manufactured in Oz and the rest made in China, Thailand etc.

This site lists Australian made products.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 11:31 am

Winston Smith
Nov 21, 2023 10:55 AM

A quick question for the Buy Australian newcats….
I need a new fridge, the one I want is a Kelvinator and a customer review on their website states it is made in Australia.
However there’s weasel wording that comments from buyers are not Kelvinators. So not their responsibility.
This looks quite deceptive to me.

Winston,

Choice has only 2 Kelvinator Fridges in it’s August 2023 review Of Fridges

They say

We recommend currently available fridges which score at least 75% overall and at least 60% for all aspects of temperature performance except the recommended setting score.

We exclude this because you can change the settings to get better performance.

Kelvinator KTB2802WB review
Freezer on top model. 256L total volume. Priced at $889. Rated at 69%
Made in Thailand

Kelvinator KTM5402WC review
Freezer on top model. 503L total volume. Priced at $1349. Rated at 45%

Made in Thailand

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 11:31 am

m0nty
Nov 21, 2023 9:08 AM
Hamas isn’t a country, Dot.

If we raise the fare, will you go to Gaza and tell Hamarse?

And drop by Malmo on the way home?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 21, 2023 11:34 am

My dear old mother always thought Arafat looked like a grubby little man that needed a good wash.

He always wanted to have a decent shave but, dagnabbit, he could not find where he had put his hand towel.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 21, 2023 11:35 am

Bruce….There seems to be a twist in the story. And Winston, you’re likely right about the political officer having a say, but the Chinese get up to this sort of thing routinely from what I gather.

Navies that are from countries that are hostile to each other embark on silliness all the time. It starts off with dumping gash (rubbish) ahead of the “enemy” ship so it has to steam through it. Then near misses, “graunchings” and eventually T-boning – this last especially can lead to loss of life.

Inbetween time they aim their guns at each other, which is fairly daunting even if you’re connvinced the guns are empty. Using fire-control radars, which is the step before a missile is launched, is also routine. It produces all sorts of warnings in the Combat Information Centre of the ship being targeted.

The Philippines Navy, which is small and primitive but enthusiastic, has had heaps of this sort of thing from the Chinese over the last 30 years. The PLA-N don’t do it as much to the Western navies – including Japan – because they know the missile tubes are usually loaded and push might lead to shove which might lead to bang.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 21, 2023 11:38 am

If the attack from Gaza is not to be called a war owing to it not being formally a separate country, then it is a civil war.

What are the rules for civil war?

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 21, 2023 11:38 am

On friges etc, we just replaced our convection microwave the other day for the 5th time in 15 years.

Had Sharp for a while, in a pattern of 5 years, 4 years, 3 years, and so then switched to LG. The latest lasted for 18 months and started sparking and carrying on. Hardly Normal had a look at it but then said they’d replace it with new for old.

Not good when this is from an appliance that cost around $1000 when Mrs TE decided convection microwave was the way to go.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 11:41 am

No fridge can withstand the toxic effects of XXXX. Just buy an old stock trough Winston.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 21, 2023 11:42 am

Cassie, that music clip you put up showing the well-known actor from Fauda, now IRL serving in the IDF, and his wife, he Israeli singing in Hebrew and she an Israeli Arab singing in Arabic, was one of the most beautiful homages to love I have ever seen.

Thank you for that. I hope he stays safe.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 21, 2023 11:44 am

thefrollickingmole at 8:51

ABCcess finally noticing the big grey pachyderm taking up most of the room.

The ALPBC often gets there late, when things become “unfair.” Alan Kohler probably has a chart for it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 21, 2023 11:44 am

And the Yemenis are now effectively blockading Israeli shipping in the Red Sea which means that it will now have to go the long way around Africa.

The US warships in the Red Sea should be doing something about this.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 11:46 am

Oh look Brendan O’Neill has written an article just for Monty.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/20/al-shifa-hospital-and-the-pathological-distrust-of-israel/
We need to talk about the pathological distrust of Israel. About the speed and relish with which our media elites dismiss every Israeli claim about the war in Gaza. Consider the Battle of al-Shifa Hospital. Israeli officials have offered up ample proof that the hospital was used as a military base by Hamas. They’ve shown us caches of weapons, video footage of gun-toting, knife-wielding men hurrying hostages through corridors, a vast tunnel that is 10 metres down and 55 metres long. And yet it is all breezily discounted. This is not healthy scepticism of ‘war propaganda’ – it’s a dogmatic refusal to accept a single thing the Jewish State says.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 21, 2023 11:46 am

News just in – Guilty. Extracts from news.com.au

The cop son of a former state premier has been found guilty of fabricating evidence that wrongfully landed a man behind bars over alleged threats to kill police.

The son of former NSW premier Kristina Keneally has learned his fate over accusations he fabricated a police statement that wrongfully landed a man behind bars.

Police alleged Daniel John Keneally falsified an official report in 2021 about a phone call he received while working as a police officer at Newtown police station.

On Tuesday, Mr Keneally was found guilty at Downing Centre Local Court of fabricating false evidence with the intent to mislead a judicial tribunal.

Mr Keneally will reappear before the same court later this year for sentence.

Delta A
Delta A
November 21, 2023 11:47 am

Frank
Nov 21, 2023 10:56 AM

Very orderly and concise summary of Hamas’ tactics. Thanks for posting.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 11:49 am

The woke love to call themselves anti-fascists, but it’s a strange anti-fascist that gives moral succour to fascists.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 11:52 am

Farmer Gez
Nov 21, 2023 11:00 AM
Some kids had Pet Rocks – we’ve got Monty.

The rocks are more intelligent.

However, if they are in a pond, they get pond scum (aka mUttley Merkin) all over them.

Gabor
Gabor
November 21, 2023 11:53 am

Not good when this is from an appliance that cost around $1000 when Mrs TE decided convection microwave was the way to go.

Despite what you hear, convection microwaves have an inherent problem with the heating element built into it damaging the magnetron and other stuff, part of the microwave side.

Disclaimer:
I was told by a tech servicing them, I’m no expert on this myself.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 21, 2023 11:58 am

As for the “open air prison”, one side of that is the border with Egypt. Are they the jailers too?

The Egyptians are silent as church mice through all this. There but for the grace of Allah and all that.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 11:59 am

Exploding gold.

400-year-old mystery of why early explosive produces purple smoke solved by academics (Phys.org, 20 Nov)

Scientists at the University of Bristol have discovered why fulminating gold—the world’s first known high explosive—produces a purple smoke when it detonates, solving a 400-year-old alchemy puzzle.

Fulminating gold was first discovered by alchemists in the 16th century. It is a mixture of a number of different compounds, with ammonia providing the majority of the material’s explosive power.

German alchemist Sebald Schwaertzer noted the unusual purple smoke given off when fulminating gold was detonated in 1585, and the material was later studied by leading figures of chemistry in the 17th and 18th centuries, including Robert Hooke and Antoine Lavoisier.

But while the chemistry of the fulminating gold recipe has been understood for centuries, one question remained unanswered—why does its detonation produce purple smoke?

“Our experiment involved creating fulminating gold, then detonating 5mg samples on aluminum foil by heating it. We captured the smoke using copper meshes and then analyzed the smoke sample under a transmission electron microscope,” Professor Hall explained.

“Sure enough, we found the smoke contained spherical gold nanoparticles, confirming the theory that the gold was playing a role in the mysterious smoke.”

Nice! A colleague of mine accidentally blew up a graduate one day with a similar concoction containing silver instead of gold. Even though the lab had glass everywhere she was fortunately unharmed, except for a truly epic case of hysterical giggles.

JC
JC
November 21, 2023 11:59 am

And the Yemenis are now effectively blockading Israeli shipping in the Red Sea which means that it will now have to go the long way around Africa.

Powerful navy with these destroyers.

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 21, 2023 12:02 pm

By ramping up immigration and creating the conditions that mean the reserve bank must keep increasing interest rates to supposedly tame inflation. The ALP is basically pricing australians out of the property market and making room for the wealthy chinese they’ve now allowed to buy property without permanent residency.

It also, amazingly, boosts the capital values for anyone owning Ozzie housing. Albo and his front bench personally do very well out of jamming the rental pipeline with moar demand.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 12:04 pm

Mother Lode
Nov 21, 2023 11:38 AM
If the attack from Gaza is not to be called a war owing to it not being formally a separate country, then it is a civil war.

What are the rules for civil war?

IIRC, the rules for “irregular war” are based essentially on insurgents, which would mean they apply to Hamarse under the terms of your question.

To gain the protection of international law, irregular combatants must:

Operate under a recognisable chain of command (possibly arguable for Hamarse);

That chain of command must enforce the laws of war (Have any if the 7 October intruders been arrested by Hamarse and charged with war crimes? ROFLMAO);

Carry their arms openly (OK); and

Wear a distinctive uniform or clearly recognisable distinguishing badge (some do, some don’t).

All of these conditions apply at all times.

Under these rules, anyone in Gaza carrying a weapon without wearing a uniform or clearly recognisable distinguishing badge is fair game, shoot on sight.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 12:13 pm

Clearance divers are killing the planet.

Blasts to clear World War II munitions could contaminate the ocean (Phys.org, 20 Nov)

I suggest we instead use academics to carefully remove these unstable unexploded munitions in a Gaia-friendly manner. It would keep them too busy to write silly papers, as well as reducing taxpayer-funded university payrolls. Win win!

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 12:16 pm

The drive by shooting by mUttley Merj=kin stopped around 0915 this morning.

Is that when Mrs mUttley got home from dropping the kids at school, and demanded that mUttley get off his fat arse, and do some work?

C.L.
C.L.
November 21, 2023 12:16 pm

Mumsy and Dadda will pay for an appeal per ABC report.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 21, 2023 12:18 pm

Prof van Wrongselen wades into the Optus CEO saga in Teh Paywallian and may even be right. I need a minute …

pete of perth
pete of perth
November 21, 2023 12:22 pm

TE. Dad was on the Vampire in 80/81. They went up to observe the re-entry of a Chinese rocket into the ocean. Large contingent of chunk navy was there as well. He said they would occasionally send over one of their warships to check out the “vintage” DD. Sometimes with their fire-control radars on.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 21, 2023 12:25 pm

My dear old mother always thought Arafat looked like a grubby little man that needed a good wash.

The Israelis are said to have claimed that it wasn’t worth the bother of assassinating him – they might replace him with someone more effective…

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 12:25 pm

Destroy Hamas. Every last one of them.

Sia Kordestani
Nov 21, 2023
@SiaKordestani

Left: Nazi executing a Jewish woman with her child in Ivanhorod, 1942.

Right: CCTV screenshot of Hamas Nazi executing a young Jewish woman cowering, pleading for her life, in Kibbutz Alumim, 2023. Video below.

Never Again Means Destroy Hamas.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 21, 2023 12:25 pm

I very much doubt the political officer on board would have allowed this to happen unless he had authorisation from well above. This was deliberate and is standard for Chinese intimidation tactics.

I very much doubt that the CCP’s posture towards Australia has been fundamentally changed by Handsome Boy’s engagement with Xi’s ring piece.

The original shitstorm was a display of displeasure against a US ally taking the lead in embarrassing CCPXi – not particularly about Scummo himself (although he was certainly held in extraordinarily deep distain). The corollary is that Albronese is only allowed ‘out of the fridge’ to the extent that he doesn’t get on the front foot – not because he’s a breath of fresh air, or an adult in the room, or a new beginning.

Australia is a middle power, somewhat more important than China’s second world neighbours because quarry/farm/landmass. Any other significance comes with its defence relationship with the US.

If this scuffle has any deliberate political message, it’s a reminder to “agree where we can” more than “disagree where we can’t

It’s that transactional.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 12:26 pm
C.L.
C.L.
November 21, 2023 12:28 pm

I’m not joining the pile-on (a la Dutton) re Albo and the sonar incident.

1. We don’t know anything about what really happened;
2. The LNP got dozens of Australians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan just to please the US – they have zero tough-talkin’ credentials;
3. Incidents like this are conventionally ameliorated off-mike – nothing new about that;
4. Australian cannot “stand up to” China – as the shock and Sky jocks demand. We chose to de-industrialise, chose to enrich China, chose to be dependent on the Chinese economy.

All of those things being said, Albanese is indeed way out of his depth. He is a total disaster as prime minister. I predict the Coalition will take the lead in Newspoll 2PP by Jan-Feb.

Vicki
Vicki
November 21, 2023 12:31 pm

Right: CCTV screenshot of Hamas Nazi executing a young Jewish woman cowering, pleading for her life, in Kibbutz Alumim, 2023. Video below.

Never Again Means Destroy Hamas.

Thank you Old Ozzie. I have just been listening to a discussion between Niall Ferguson & John Anderson in which Ferguson gives a forthright appraisal of the perils of the western world. “Isolationism” he says, “is not an option”.

Stay awake people. The barbarians are inside the gates.

Crossie
Crossie
November 21, 2023 12:33 pm

Farmer Gez
Nov 21, 2023 10:55 AM
Albo’s buddy Xi has decided to halt all fertiliser exports last week.
The price for Aussie farmers will rise significantly with higher freight from alternative sources and supply shortages from unmet demand.
Thanks Luigi – Super Genius!

A clever move would be to keep using the alternative sources and let CCP keep their fertiliser.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 12:34 pm

Hamaz’s Last Power is Trapped in Tunnels!

Are they fish? They may need to be.

Will IDF flood Hamas tunnels? (21 Nov)

One of the options the IDF is considering in order to strike a decisive blow against Hamas is to flood its vast tunnel networks with sea water, columnist David Ignatius wrote in The Washington Post Sunday after interviewing numerous military sources.

The Gaza Strip, the veteran journalist pointed out, is conveniently located on the Mediterranean Sea. The IDF must be thinking, he wrote, if there’s a real need to risk soldiers’ lives by sending them into narrow and booby-trapped corridors.

“Water is a powerful force of nature — even more so when it is amplified by pumps. One thing about tunnels is that they’re vulnerable to flooding, even if they have elaborate drainage,” as Ignatius wrote.

He made clear that no Israeli officials told him anything about possible plans, but that Defense Minister Yoav Gallant had made the “cryptic” comment that “You need an industrial solution.”

Like flushing a toilet.

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 21, 2023 12:35 pm

Prof van Wrongselen wades into the Optus CEO saga in Teh Paywallian and may even be right

Please do share. Though his writing is so mushy and free of clarity that its mostly hard to tell what points he is trying to make.

On the former, failed Optus CEO. Some stories out & about in the media suggesting Gladys was the one ‘forcing’ the CEO not to communicate during the recent outage.

All this c.rap being fed to the media (‘Singtel failed Optus’, ‘Cisco failed Optus’, ‘Gladys failed Optus’, …) just reinforce what a toxic, useless person the former CEO was, forever briefing for herself and against her ‘enemies’.

Crossie
Crossie
November 21, 2023 12:35 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Nov 21, 2023 11:02 AM
The price for Aussie farmers will rise significantly with higher freight from alternative sources and supply shortages from unmet demand.

An attempt to manufacture fertilizer on the Burrup Peninsula is under threat because the plant will destroy cave paintings and songlines…

In that case no more food and other supplies for the Burris Peninsula until they hear a different song.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 21, 2023 12:36 pm

Operate under a recognisable chain of command (possibly arguable for Hamarse);

“Be commanded by someone who will be held accountable for your actions.”

Megan
Megan
November 21, 2023 12:37 pm

MoronMuttley- the poster boy for the ancient proverbs of “None so blind…” and “You can lead a horse to water…”

You have to be born that deeply stupid. Anyone with better functioning neurons has the capacity to learn and evolve. Deep stupidity is incurable.

Unfortunate, of course, but exceedingly interesting to observe in real time.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 12:40 pm

Apparently providing civilians safe passage away from an active war zone is ethnic cleansing in left wing double speak.

Rosie, you might want to look up what ethnic cleansing means.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 12:41 pm

The AFR View

Return to office to reverse productivity slump

If coming into the office is up for negotiation as part of the modern world of flexible work, then perhaps it is also time for wider arrangements around pay and conditions to be open to negotiation and greater flexibility as well.

A positive legacy of the pandemic has been the normalisation of more flexible work.

But many managers would also suspect that too much working from home also may be contributing to Australia’s post-pandemic productivity slump that is making it harder to tame Australia’s sticky 5.4 per cent rate of inflation.

The Productivity Commission’s new head, Danielle Wood, has suggested the precipitous fall in Australia’s measured labour productivity back to 2016 levels may be because of lower-productivity workers joining the workforce amid labour shortages and a near 50-year low 3.5 per cent jobless rate.

Yet, the Fair Work Commission’s first ruling on Labor’s new flexible work laws provides support for many managers’ lived experience in trying to improve productivity and respond to ever-changing market demand while not knowing whether their workers will turn up to the place of business on any given day.

It’s clearly much more difficult.

Labor’s Secure Jobs Better Pay Act gave workers an expanded right to request flexible work – including by location – on an expanded list of personal circumstances ranging from pregnancy, disability, caring responsibilities, age, to experiencing family and domestic violence.

Such requests can become industrial “disputes” that can be settled by an industrial umpire with no actual stake in the business.

In this case, a salary packaging adviser appealed against his company’s policy in support for hybrid working involving at least 40 per cent of time in the office.

Instead, the adviser insisted on working 100 per cent from home to care for his young son and to manage a health condition.

As well as dismissing the case based on the facts, a Fair Work Commissioner ruled there were “reasonable business grounds” for an employer to order employees to be in the office because of the training, cultural and productivity benefits of face-to-face interactions.

A face-to-face presence would facilitate coaching to improve the adviser’s below-benchmark productivity.

And it would more readily allow younger team members to access his experience.

Bear in mind that the whole debate about flexible work concerns white-collar workers, and working from home is a privilege not afforded to doctors, nurses, police and factory and blue-collar workers in general.

Work by the Commonwealth Bank suggests that working from home for more than a couple of days a week reduces office collaboration by a third.

The irony is that Australia has one of the world’s most rigid, overly regulated and prescriptive industrial relations frameworks, filled with hundreds of award rules and classifications dictating how businesses must run their workday operations including by only deploying labour at fixed times or else incur penalty rates of pay.

Even more ironic is that this framework once discouraged working from home by treating it as an occupational health and safety risk.

Some easing of these rigidities is undoubtedly a good thing.

But if Australia’s prescriptive workplace regulation now includes the rights of employees to seek a third-party umpire to rule on whether they don’t even have to set foot in the business, then surely it should be recognised that they may simply be worth less to the business and should be remunerated accordingly.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 21, 2023 12:41 pm

Pete of perth, I presume you’ve been over Vampire where she is permantly moored as part of the Australian National Maritime Museum in Darling Harbour?

A real old gunship – lotsa WWII ideas still being used on it. Your dad likely used a hammock in his time. Though even those were luxury in WWII – from my recent HMAS Sydney book:

Sleeping in a warship in a war theatre was usually an informal hit or miss situation for many sailors. David Mattiske said of his time in Shropshire:

…the ship was far too hot to curl up in a hammock. Everyone had a favourite spot. Men slept on the mess deck tables, on all spare space on the deck, and on the padded bench seats along the tables. These benches were only about 12-15 inches wide, with no back. Believe it or not, you can soon learn to sleep like a top on a 12 inch padded bench, but at first, being a new chum, I rated only a spot on the deck.

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 21, 2023 12:41 pm

4. Australian cannot “stand up to” China – as the shock and Sky jocks demand. We chose to de-industrialise, chose to enrich China, chose to be dependent on the Chinese economy.

Good points, CL. we are a mid-size (or lower) power when it comes to political manoeuvring against China. Probably the only point of the Sonar thingy was to make Elbow look like the mid-wit 4th best Trot in the Marrickville branch that he is.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 12:46 pm

Too many want to believe Hamas’s hospital lies

Despite all the evidence, some Westerners refuse to countenance that the IDF’s claims were right

RICHARD KEMP 20 November 2023

Hamas uses hospitals and other protected places like schools and mosques for terrorist purposes.

Since 2006, when the terror group took over the Gaza Strip, we have seen report after report showing just that.

Back then, an American Public Broadcasting Service documentary showed Hamas gunmen prowling the corridors of Al-Shifa Hospital, intimidating staff and denying access to protected areas.

In 2014, a Washington Post journalist reported that the hospital “has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders”.

In 2015, Amnesty International said that Hamas interrogated and tortured prisoners in Al-Shifa.

Yet since Israel launched its ground invasion of Gaza, this has suddenly come into question.

IDF explanations for raids into civilian buildings, especially hospitals, have been treated with disbelief and even hostility.

This is despite CCTV images of hostages being rushed around the Al-Shifa hospital, and evidence of a tunnel leading underground from within the complex.

Captured Hamas terrorists have confirmed the use of hospitals for their terrorist cause and even Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, admitted in a speech in 2021 that the group used civilian infrastructure for military purposes.

Chief among those questioning what ought to be clear facts, inevitably, has been the BBC and its international editor, Jeremy Bowen.

After the IDF displayed weapons seized at Al-Shifa, he gave an on-air diatribe implying that this was not convincing evidence that Hamas had a base in the hospital.

He even suggested the pile of weapons could belong to the “security department”.

Perhaps it is a coincidence that Bowen’s claim directly echoed the words of a senior Hamas terrorist on Al Jazeera two days earlier.

US intelligence confirms Al-Shifa has been used as a military headquarters.

But terminology used by the White House national security spokesman, John Kirby, that it housed a command “node” rather than a command centre as the Israelis described it, suggests a desire to underplay its significance.

It’s hard to understand such pedantry when any military use of a hospital is illegal under the laws of war and renders an otherwise protected site a legitimate target for combat operations.

This has much broader implications for this war.

Many people don’t want to believe the Israelis; it seems they would rather believe Hamas.

Media outlets often caveat announcements by the IDF, pointedly saying that what they claim cannot be independently verified.

Rarely, however, are reports from Gaza questioned in such a way, when every word coming from any part of the Strip that is still dominated by Hamas should be seen as being spoken under duress, whether by journalists, doctors or UN officials.

Very often casualty figures from the Gaza Health Ministry are treated as if they come from the NHS, even though it is well understood that the ministry is ruthlessly controlled by Hamas.

Those who are pressing for a ceasefire weaponise Hamas’s casualty statistics.

They ignore the reality that Hamas habitually has not only inflated these figures but also made no distinction between deaths of uninvolved civilians and terrorist fighters.

Nor, of course, do they separate out casualties caused by their own rockets, of which a significant proportion have fallen short into Gaza since the war began.

The IDF has been exclusively targeting terrorists, and although civilian casualties are tragically inevitable given Hamas’s use of human shields, there is no doubt that a high proportion of the reported deaths have been fighters.

The cynical agenda that lies behind blind acceptance of Hamas’s casualty figures accounts for the growing narrative that, despite years of evidence, Hamas miraculously no longer uses hospitals as military facilities and Israel is attacking such places without justification.

Quite why the IDF would risk its own soldiers’ lives for no military purpose, as well as suffering the inevitable international opprobrium associated with operations in and around hospitals, is never explained.

Many who distort these realities to call for a ceasefire may be well meaning, but in practice they are saying Israel should stop defending its population and Hamas should live to fight another day.

That is extremely dangerous.

Both the British and American governments have given the strongest support to Israel since the atrocities of October 7, and have rejected these demands for a ceasefire.

But they ought to be going further, helping to educate the public and counteract Hamas’s disinformation.

There are lessons here from our approach to the war in Ukraine, for example with the MoD’s daily briefings, which both puts the war into its real context and dispels Russian propaganda.

Instead, when threatened with terrorists, our political leaders seem happier to take the terrorists’ side in the media war, playing into Hamas’s hands by virtue-signalling implications that Israel is not adhering to the laws of war and is inflicting unnecessary civilian casualties when they know that this is not true.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 21, 2023 12:47 pm

I very much doubt the political officer on board would have allowed this to happen unless he had authorisation from well above. This was deliberate and is standard for Chinese intimidation tactics.

I very much doubt that the CCP’s posture towards Australia has been fundamentally changed by Handsome Boy’s engagement to Xi.

The original shitstorm was a display of displeasure against a US ally taking the lead in embarrassing CCPXi – not particularly about Scummo himself (although he would have been held in deep distain). The corollary is that Albronese is only allowed out of the fridge to the extent that he doesn’t get on the front foot – not because he’s a breath of fresh air, or an adult in the room.

It’s that transactional.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 12:48 pm

Rosie, you might want to look up what ethnic cleansing means.

I can’t recall you saying anything, Monty, about the most recent actual example of ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of people. It seems that practice is just peachy when done by one of the Left’s favoured religions.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 12:49 pm

Britain’s addiction to mass migration is becoming dangerous

This is not the high wage, high skill economy we voted for in 2016

GAVIN RICE – 20 November 2023

As Rishi Sunak seeks desperately to prove he can get a grip on Britain’s sea border, it’s easy to forget the other border crisis.

While less prominent than the small boats, the scale of legal net migration is a much bigger problem.

And unlike asylum policy, it’s something our Government is entirely in control of.

Yet, since 2019, net migration has almost tripled.

The Conservative manifesto in that year said that Britain would welcome highly skilled workers, it’s true.

But it also said that “there will be fewer low-skilled migrants and overall numbers will come down”.

So why is net migration running at 606,000, the highest figure on record?

What happened to the promised rigour of an “Australian-style points based system”?

The answer is that Britain has, voluntarily, adopted an immigration regime far more liberal than anything it had before it left the EU.

The most obvious, glaring problem is the salary threshold economic migrants must meet to qualify for a work visa.

Astonishingly, this has been set at just £26,200 per year.

The Government is expected to announce an increase in this floor to £30,000, but even this would be well below the median full-time salary (£34,963).

And it would do nothing to close the back door built into the system: the shortage occupation list.

Intended to provide a smoothed route of entry for workers offering skills not readily available in the local labour market, this list is far too broad, and growing broader, extending well beyond doctors and nurses.

MakeUK, the manufacturers’ trade body, is lobbying for welders, lab technicians and sheet metal workers to be added.

Workers entering under this scheme can earn even less than the main threshold if they are paid just 80 per cent of the “going rate” for their industry, even if this is far below the national average.

Two-thirds of voters believe immigration is too high, yet Britain is stuck in a high migration system that the Whitehall machine is desperate to preserve.

The Treasury is incentivised to preserve high numbers to keep GDP going up, no matter what it means for those already here.

The Office for Budget Responsibility bakes high migration into its forecasts, making it impossible to lower numbers without falling foul of fiscal targets.

Universities issue tens of thousands of student visas for low-grade courses to bring in cash.

This is not the economy people voted for in 2016 or 2019.

High immigration of low-skilled workers is unfair, puts pressure on housing and public services and compresses the salaries of lower-paid wage earners.

To restore British workers’ economic status and dignity, we must raise the minimum salary, limit the shortage list and train more workers here.

Globalisation of labour markets is one of the major threats to the dignity of workers across the developed world.

We have the freedom to change it.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 21, 2023 12:51 pm

No idea where that 12:47 post came from.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 12:54 pm

‘Misery machine’: Economist Chris Richardson calls for lower student numbers as housing crisis deepens

A leading economist has branded Australian housing a “misery machine” — and pointed to a simple fix for the current crisis.

Frank Chung

Chris Richardson appeared on ABC’s QandA on Monday night where an audience member posed the question of whether migration levels should be linked to the capacity to build new homes.

Mr Richardson, independent economist and former Deloitte Access Economics partner, agreed “there is a relation” and that because Australia had “messed up” housing over four decades “we may need to react around migration”.

“Across 40 years we have turned housing into a misery machine in Australia, and this is a stunning national fail,” he said.

“Almost certainly today … we have clicked over as a nation to housing prices being a new record high. They fell for a time as interest rates went up. We had a great experiment, terrible experiment over the past year with interest rates roaring up, and yet house prices went up. I used to think interest rates would do the trick — they won’t. We have to build.”

Mr Richardson said the problem was that “for 40 years we have had, ‘not in my backyard’, council by council decision, neighbourhood by neighbourhood, and after 40 years we haven’t built and when we do build, we attach all these conditions which make it incredibly expensive.”

He added, “I would love not to touch migration, but we have screwed this up so massively as a nation that we temporarily need to look at migration as part of this equation.”

The easiest way to temporarily ease migration numbers would be to cut back on record numbers of international students coming to the country, he argued.

“So we have now 725,000 students from the rest of the world studying in Australia — a year ago, that was 555,000,” he said.

“Yes, we sell education to the world and a lot of that we do well and some of it we don’t do as well, but it is a big part of the increase in the pressure at the moment and it is a relatively concentrated bit where we can make a change.”

Universities Australia, the sector’s peak lobby group, has argued international students fuel the nation’s prosperity and were worth $40 billion to the economy in 2019.

“The federal government needs to fund universities instead of insisting that they make money from foreign students to pay for the domestic students,” Mr Richardson said. “We can do this better.”

But he warned the “problem with 40 years of ‘not in my back yard’ is if we have perfect policies tomorrow … it’s going to take more than a decade to repair this”.

“That misery machine is not going to disappear,” he said.

“The bigger lever that we’ve got to do over time is to insist that local councils say yes to more, and the government is gently starting that process. It is up more to the states, but it has got to move and unless and until we do that, we need, I would say, students as the lever, pull back for a while.”

Assistant Treasurer Stephen Jones said he agreed with Mr Richardson that “we need to look at the student stuff”.

“I agree with that, it is a job of work which needs to be done,” he said.

But asked if he wanted to see a reduction in migration, Mr Jones said “no” because migrants were needed to build the homes — echoing comments from Immigration Minister Andrew Giles earlier this month.

In terms of students, in terms of migration, it’s a chicken and egg,” he said.

“We need more houses built. Where are we going to get the labour from? We generally import that from overseas. So a lot of these things are a feedback loop.

Chris is right, though, that the big cause for the massive ramp up in immigration over the last 12 months post-Covid has been a big jump up in student numbers.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 12:55 pm

And no Monty as far as I know Israel has no intention to ethnic cleanse Gaza. But there is a significant possibility they may roll the rubble into a flat plain and invite the UN to supply the denizens with a bunch of tents. And they can be the first experimental population to try high protein biscuits made from insects, that would be a wonderful scientific study! For the planet!

Israeli defense official says Gaza will be reduced to a ‘city of tents’ (11 Nov)

Hard to manufacture rockets in a tent.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 12:58 pm

Gina Rinehart: Govt strangling of Australia’s world-leading mining, agriculture industries is creating a ‘nightmare’ scenario for our children

Australia’s primary industries face more government-made problems than nature has ever thrown at us thanks to stifling red tape and net zero regulations, writes Gina Rinehart.

Gina Rinehart – Executive Chairman of Hancock Prospecting

Australia has long been a nation of primary producers, of farmers and miners who go out into regional and outback areas and contend with whatever nature may throw at them to provide the food, fibre and raw materials that we need to survive and thrive.

We have cultivated agriculture that feeds and clothes Australians and tens of millions of people around the world.

And we have taken risks and developed the minerals that have enabled higher living standards across Australia and the world.

At their core, these are the first industries required to move humans above the most basic conditions.

Thanks to our primary industries and the many businesses they support, we live in one of the wealthiest countries that has ever existed, and Australians today have among the highest standards of living ever experienced by human beings.

The value of our agricultural and mining exports is astonishing.

Our agricultural exports are worth around $80 billion annually, our resources exports add another $470 billion.

Mining being the largest revenue producer, more than all other industries combined.

But what does this mean in tangible terms?

Each year, on average, each Australian farmer feeds 150 of their fellow countrymen and 450 of their allies overseas.

We export about 900 million tonnes of iron ore, our massive exports of thermal and metallurgical coal, now exceeding iron ore in value, lithium, and copper, nickel, rare earths, and uranium, which are vital for everything from agriculture and manufacturing equipment to medical equipment and electric vehicles, wind farms and more.

Federal taxation revenue from our mining companies alone for the last financial year more than covers the cost of salaries of all of Australia’s police, teachers and nurses.

There’s even more tax revenue for governments if state royalties and other state taxes are included.

You know, those taxes like payroll tax, stamp duty and licence fees, that were all to be abolished when GST came in.

More than a decade ago I asked the federal government to establish National Mining & Related Industries Day (22 November) and after that, National Agriculture & Related Industries Day, (21st November) so that Australians had an official day each year to celebrate these essential industries and consider: “what would my life look like without mining and agriculture?”

I was worried, and have become more worried, that we do not at times think about how we came to be so fortunate, and don’t seem to appreciate what should be common sense.

If we pile our primary industries with too many government burdens, we won’t be cost competitive internationally.

Such government costs also add to our own living costs and restrict our own standard of living.

Too often, our primary industries are not only denigrated, but we now face more government made problems than nature has ever thrown at us.

Staff are demoralised as they face the growing number of government regulations and approvals.

Once, after years of paper shuffling, they could see the light at the end of the tunnel – approvals being granted.

Now, with the mounting red tape, delays, and lack of decisions, they cannot.

Modern resources and agricultural industries, together with the many businesses they help to support, work together to underpin human flourishing.

The scientist Vaclav Smil has compiled some facts in his book How the World Really Works.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 21, 2023 1:00 pm

Meawnhile in Danistan:

Victorians out on bail are being charged with more than 500 jailable crimes a week.

Police figures show that those who were released from custody as they await their day in court racked up a total of 26,557 charges of committing an indictable offence while on bail in the past 12 months.

That represents an average of about 70 crimes every day being carried out by offenders released on bail by the courts or police.

The data – released to the Herald Sun by the Crime Statistics Agency – shows that the worst rate per offender is among children aged 10 to 14.

A hard core of 80 in that age group were charged with 610 counts of committing an indictable offence on bail in the year to June – an average of 7.6 each.

Many of those are believed to relate to the wave of aggravated burglaries and car thefts that continue to plague suburban Melbourne.

Those in the 15 to 17 age range also had a relatively low raw number but a high average. There were 440 teens charged 2052 times with committing an indictable offence while on bail – a rate of 4.7 each.

Herald-Sun

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 1:02 pm

The scientist Vaclav Smil has compiled some facts in his book How the World Really Works.

He calculated that without the use of ammonia, steel, cement and plastics, the world could only feed half its current population.

To our governments, and those who wish to end the use of fossil fuels and stop the resources industry, I ask: which half?

We can produce more food, more efficiently, more cheaply, because of fossil fuels, steel, cement and plastics. The advance in human flourishing seen in the past 220 years was underpinned by the 1500-fold increase in the use of coal, oil, and gas.

Australia’s mining and agricultural industries are world leading.

Mining provides on average amongst the highest wages in the world.

Agriculture provides a lifestyle fantastic for bringing up children. We can be proud of both primary industries.

Yet our governments are not reducing or even simplifying their complicated tape, instead the opposite, loading on piles of new rules and regulations, with a huge increase in the EPBC Act alone, plus increasing net zero regulations.

And to make matters even worse, using taxpayers’ money to support lawfare and delay approvals even if finally awarded.

In addition to all this, despite a worker crisis, government policy and tape effectively prevents our own veterans, pensioners, university students, disabled, and non-violent non-dangerous prisoners from working as much as they would like to be able to improve their lives.

And, as has been reported widely, changing IR policy which will make it more difficult for agriculture, mining and many businesses to create the revenue our hugely in debt country needs.

If this scenario is not changed, our youth should understand we are creating a nightmare for them – that they will be struggling with high taxes for the rest of their lives.

Many will need to forget about the Aussie dream of owning their own home, as they won’t be able to afford such an investment after meeting government tax burdens.

Even in schools, governments have been content to not educate children and grandchildren well.

In the current high school national curriculum, which mandates what every school child in Australia is taught, iron ore is referenced only twice.

Yet climate change and renewable energy are mentioned 48 times.

Mining, coal, and iron ore do not receive even one mention in the entire high school economics and business curriculum!

Please make use of our national days, even if you can’t be with us for those days, please view the national days’ websites, and remind your friends, contacts and importantly politicians and media of the reality of our vital nation-building industries and the common-sense changes they urgently need, to let them survive and thrive.

tekweni
tekweni
November 21, 2023 1:05 pm

In April 1945 my father was with a US column that liberated a concentration camp near Munich. He went through the camp the day after it was liberated. His description still haunts me. The young Yank soldiers who went through the camp shot any guards or SS they came across. No trial. The locals who were paraded through the camp denied that they knew anything about it. At least they pleaded ignorance unlike those who rejoice in the deaths of those at the hands of Hamas. They turn my stomach and I can well understand how those young Americans who dispensed summary justice felt.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 1:07 pm

I don’t think I have a Marxist double speak lying all the time words mean whatever I want them to mean wherever it suits my propaganda and outright fabrication dictionary lying around sorry Monty.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 21, 2023 1:08 pm

“We need more houses built. Where are we going to get the labour from? We generally import that from overseas. So a lot of these things are a feedback loop.
Immigration Minister: Andrew Giles

Andrew, Buddy. Maaate.
Take a few policy officers out of the B Ark.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 1:09 pm

Daniel Andrews copping heat from Portsea Golf Club with Steve Price admitting a round with him is ‘my idea of torture’

Steve Price has further rejected Daniel Andrews’ attempts to join him at the Portsea Golf Club claiming he “couldn’t think of anything worse” than walking around a golf course with the former premier.

Sky News Australia host Steve Price has been the most vocal Portsea Golf Club member to publicly reject Mr Andrews, previously stating he would “tear up” his membership if the former premier was allowed to join the Mornington Peninsula club.

Price – who is also a member at the prestigious Sorrento Golf Club – doubled down on those comments on Monday night during an appearance on The Project.

“I’m teed off about this! Sorry to use a golfing pun. I was genuine when I said if he’s allowed to become a member, I’m not going to play there,” he said.

“I couldn’t think of anything worse than spending four hours walking around a golf course with Dan Andrews I mean that would be my idea of torture.”

Project host Waleed Aly questioned “why is it a big deal” if the former premier was interested in joining the club but Mr Price said the uproar was deserved after his COVID-19 restrictions.

“It’s such a big deal because of what happened during COVID,” he said.

“We were stopped from playing, that area where that golf club is, was considered part of Melbourne even though it’s 100 km out of Melbourne so all the restrictions that applied in the city applied down there.”

Mr Price added it was “really sad” to think Mr Andrews would want to play on the Mornington Peninsula – famous for its golf courses – after he banned golf during the pandemic.

The Mornington Peninsula was classified as metropolitan Melbourne and therefore was subject to the strict restrictions for inner city residents while the Bellarine Peninsula was deemed regional and not subject to those rules or a golf ban.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 1:09 pm

But he warned the “problem with 40 years of ‘not in my back yard’ is if we have perfect policies tomorrow … it’s going to take more than a decade to repair this”.

More dog boxes?

“We need more houses built. Where are we going to get the labour from? We generally import that from overseas. So a lot of these things are a feedback loop.

Haven’t see any new Immigrants at building sites, low skilled fruit pickers ect yes. All with late model cars.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 1:10 pm

Re the rendering of Gaza to rubble the IDF combat engineers have been busy.

‘In memory of the victims’: ‘Fauda’ star & singer topples building in Gaza (20 Nov)

Nice bit of demolition work.

Gabor
Gabor
November 21, 2023 1:15 pm

C.L.
Nov 21, 2023 12:28 PM

I’m not joining the pile-on (a la Dutton) re Albo and the sonar incident.

4. Australian cannot “stand up to” China – as the shock and Sky jocks demand. We chose to de-industrialise, chose to enrich China, chose to be dependent on the Chinese economy.

This is the one hurting us most and makes us vulnerable in case of an international emergency.

I’m not necessarily talking about the car industry but manufacturing in general.

Some here are making fun of Arky’s lamentations about this but he is right.

Like the fertilizer ban, F Gez was mentioning, when we have more than enough capacity to produce and even export.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 1:16 pm

Activists’ attempt to dress anti-Semitism up as anti-Zionism doesn’t vilify Jewish people any less

Those Australians disguising their hatred for Jews as anti-Zionist beliefs are ignoring the historical establishment of the state of Israel and denying the truth of the Holocaust, writes Georgina Downer.

As war rages between Israel and Hamas, so the rivalries play out 12,000km away in Australia.

Nowhere is the activism rawer than on university campuses.

In the past week I have seen stickers pasted over the top of posters of Israeli kidnap victims labelling them “Zionist propaganda”.

Yesterday, a large rally graffitied a Vice Chancellor’s office building with “Hate Zionism, Love Jews”.

It’s questionable how much history of this intractable conflict the Australian protestors understand.

In universities, postmodern deconstructions of history point the finger at colonialism.

Coupled with other stereotypes, taking sides on campus ends up being as reductive as white vs brown, powerful vs weak, and Jews v Palestinians.

Jews are portrayed as powerful white settler colonists. This portrayal is an historical abomination.

Sadly, it has now become impossible to disentangle the more modern phenomenon of anti-Zionism from the ancient tradition of anti-Semitism.

The history of anti-Semitism predates Christianity, with one of the most enduring forms evolving from the early Christian Church accusing the Jews of murdering Christ.

For over 2000 years, Jews have suffered persecution, discrimination and segregation, and many times death, for their beliefs.

At the turn of the last century, the made-up “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” spurred a conspiracy of Jewish global domination that lives on today in the dark recesses of the internet.

But Zionism, and its converse anti-Zionism, are much newer.

Zionism was borne out of a European Jewish nationalist movement in the 19th century which called for a Jewish homeland in the Land of Israel (Palestine).

Australian troops successfully fought the Turks in the Battle of Beersheba (around 50 kms from Gaza) in World War I, which helped lead to the creation of British Mandated Palestine and the subsequent 1917 Balfour Declaration in which Britain declared support for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

Due to the mistreatment of Jews in Europe, thousands of them began to move to Palestine, purchasing land and creating agricultural settlements.

By 1933, the Jewish population of Palestine numbered 203,000 people.

Arab concerns and ultimately violent uprisings against the growing Jewish population in British Mandatory Palestine led to Britain reassessing its position on the creation of Israel.

But the Holocaust in which six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis led to the newly created United Nations proposing the creation of both an Arab and Jewish state in 1947 and the internationalisation of Jerusalem.

The State of Israel was born in 1948 and admitted to the UN in 1949.

Australia was the “surrogate midwife” in the creation of the State of Israel, with then External Affairs Minister H.V. ‘Doc’ Evatt taking a leadership role at the United Nations as president of the Ad Hoc Committee on Palestine.

Opposition leader Robert Menzies, who would go on to become Australia’s longest-serving Prime Minister, said Israel’s creation was “a shining symbol of delivery from bondage, and (I believe) of world repentance.”

Despite the absolute centrality of the United Nations to the creation of Israel in the 1940s, since the fdres

The UN has become the world locus of anti-Zionist sentiment, passing a resolution in 1975 equating Zionism with racism (this was revoked in 1991), countless resolutions denouncing Israel and legitimisation of the terror wrought against it.

In recent days we have been fed views from the UN Special Rapporteur for the Occupied Palestinian Territory Francesca Albanese who labelled Israel an “apartheid state” and “colonial regime” which “commits genocide” against the Palestinians.

Like the UN, the protesters have found a moral equivalence between Hamas’s October 7 terrorist attacks and Israel’s campaign against Gaza in self-defence.

In their eyes, Hamas is entitled to brutally attack and butcher innocent Israelis in a reign of terror and take hundreds hostage (in breach of international law) because of Israel’s colonialist apartheid regime.

Protestors calling for a “ceasefire” are asking Israel to accept rolling attacks from a terrorist organisation and stop defending itself until it ceases to exist.

The fact that the October 7 attacks are now being questioned as “Zionist propaganda” is a bitter reminder of the experience of those who first witnessed the unbelievable horrors of the Holocaust.

It was in April 1945 when United States General Dwight Eisenhower (who would go on to be President) visited a liberated a Nazi concentration camp for the first time.

He was horrified at the unbelievable evil that he witnessed.

Dead bodies piled high like planks of wood and the survivors resembling walking skeletons such was their malnutrition.

He invited the media in to make sure that “the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt” and no room for denial.

Sadly, Holocaust denial is real.

And so it seems are denials of the terrorist attacks and mass atrocities against the people of Israel on October 7th.

Hamas does not entertain a two-state solution.

It is a terrorist organisation driven by an anti-Semitic death cult.

Anti-Semitism dressed up as anti-Zionism discriminates against Jews as it does not accept Jewish self-determination or Jewish nationalism.

It ignores the historical establishment of the state of Israel and denies the truth of the Holocaust.

When did discrimination against Jewish aspiration become acceptable?

How did the world miss the legitimisation of anti-Semitism, yet again?

Australia played a role at the beginning of Israel because it was morally the right thing to do as the world woke up to the worst of humanity and anti-Semitism.

It is Doc Evatt’s greatest legacy and was strongly supported by Menzies.

Will our current politicians and institutions stand up to those who practice anti-Semitism and seek the end of Israel?

Only time will tell.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 1:21 pm

Opinion The FT View

OpenAI’s turbulent weekend

Sam Altman’s sacking raises further concerns about the governance of artificial intelligence – THE EDITORIAL BOARD

In its blazingly brief history, OpenAI has become famous for two things: astronomical technological ambition and comical corporate governance.

That is not a happy combination.

The board’s abrupt sacking of Sam Altman, OpenAI’s chief executive, on Friday stunned Silicon Valley like few other events in recent decades.

The poster boy for the generative artificial intelligence revolution, who had done so much to popularise OpenAI’s ChatGPT chatbot as a breakout consumer service, was ejected by four other members of the oversight board in a video call.

Several other leading lights at OpenAI, including its president, Greg Brockman, quickly followed him out the door.

Much about the story — and exactly how it will end — remains mysterious.

The board may well have had good reasons to dismiss Altman for being less than “consistently candid” with his fellow directors.

Altman’s side hustle supporting the launch of an AI chip business certainly raised glaring concerns about possible conflicts of interest.

But the board was itself less than consistently candid in explaining its decision to OpenAI’s employees, investors and Microsoft, which has heavily backed the start-up.

More than 500 of OpenAI’s 770 employees on Monday signed an open letter calling for Altman to return and the board to resign, putting the company’s future into question.

It has certainly vaporised its chances of raising fresh money at anything like the $86bn valuation recently touted.

But the affair raises broader issues about how AI firms are governed. If, as its evangelists trumpet, AI is so transformative, its corporate champions and guardians must display exemplary integrity, transparency and competence.

To be sure, OpenAI has always been a strange corporate creation.

The research company was founded in 2015 as a not-for-profit outfit dedicated to developing AI safely for the benefit of humanity.

But so vast are the costs of developing leading-edge models that it is hard for any non-commercial enterprise to remain in that game for long.

So, while preserving a not-for-profit oversight board, OpenAI developed a for-profit business arm, enabling the company to attract outside investment and commercialise its services. 

That hybrid structure created tensions between the two “tribes” at OpenAI, as Altman called them.

The safety tribe, led by chief scientist and board member Ilya Sutskever, argued that OpenAI must stick to its founding purpose and only roll out AI carefully.

The commercial tribe seemed dazzled by the possibilities unleashed by ChatGPT’s success and wanted to accelerate.

The safety tribe appeared to have won out over the weekend, but perhaps not for long.

The employee backlash could yet bring more twists.

What does this all mean for Microsoft? Its $13bn investment in OpenAI has clearly been jeopardised — though much of that commitment was in the form of computing resources, not yet drawn down.

Yet Microsoft seemed on Monday to have triumphed by hiring Altman and several top OpenAI researchers.

As Ben Thompson, author of the Stratechery newsletter, noted, Microsoft may in effect have “just acquired OpenAI for $0 and zero risk of an antitrust lawsuit”.

Baffled outsiders must hope that the AI safety institutes promised by the UK and US governments to scrutinise the leading companies’ frontier models are up and running soon.

The debacle at OpenAI also amplifies the calls of those who argue that artificial general intelligence should only be pursued by scientists at an international, non-commercial research institute akin to Cern.

If those who are developing such powerful technologies cannot govern themselves, then they should expect to be governed.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 1:24 pm

It doesn’t need a powerful navy in those narrows, a helicopter suffices.

Please say you’re not serious, Dover.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 1:26 pm

Volodymyr Zelenskyy fires head of Ukraine’s medical forces as US defence chiefs visit Kyiv

Washington offers continued support in war against Russia

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called for urgent operational changes in Ukraine’s army as he sacked the commander of the medical forces following months of criticism from combat medics about the poor quality of supplies for the country’s soldiers.

The call was followed by an unannounced visit to Kyiv by US defence secretary Lloyd Austin and a senior general on Monday.

Austin reassured Ukrainian leaders of Washington’s “steadfast support” as they head into a difficult winter military campaign against Russian forces.

Announcing the leadership change during his evening address on Sunday, Zelenskyy said Major General Tetiana Ostashchenko’s dismissal and the need for a change within the military’s medical forces was “obvious”.

“This has been repeatedly discussed in society, in particular in the community of our combat medics — a fundamentally new level of medical support for our military is needed,” the president said.

Military medics told the Financial Times in October that poor quality supplies and lack of medical training were costing soldiers’ lives on the frontline, as Ukraine presses ahead with its sputtering counteroffensive meant to wrest back territory and deter increased Russian attacks in the country’s east. Cheap tourniquets, many made in China, have flooded Ukraine and made their way into soldiers’ first-aid kits, medics said.

While Ukraine does not disclose its casualty figures, the US estimates that about 130,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been injured and about 70,000 killed since President Vladimir Putin launched Russia’s invasion. Moscow’s military is believed to have lost roughly 120,000 troops, with another 280,000 wounded, according to US estimates.

Austin’s trip to Ukraine, accompanied by Gen Christopher Cavoli, head of the US military’s European Command and Nato’s Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, was his second since the outbreak of conflict. Washington is Kyiv’s largest political and military backer, having provided more than $74bn of military assistance, humanitarian aid and financial support.

A package announced by Austin on this trip included additional air defence capabilities, artillery ammunition, anti-tank weapons and other equipment.

Zelenskyy called the meeting with the two “very productive”.

“Of course, we discussed the situation on the battlefield and its prospects — how we can enhance both our defence and our ability to advance,” Zelenskyy said, adding that he was grateful for the latest US military assistance. “In particular, there will be more artillery — shells that are needed right now.”

President Joe Biden has pledged to back Ukraine in its fight against Russia’s invading forces “for as long as it takes”. But he faces challenges in Congress, where some Republican lawmakers oppose continued aid for Ukraine or want to place conditions on the assistance.

“We, along with our allies and partners, will continue to support Ukraine’s urgent battlefield needs and long-term defence requirements,” Austin said after meeting Zelenskyy.

Kyiv’s latest military shake-up came after Zelenskyy met newly appointed defence minister Rustem Umerov to discuss Ukraine’s military priorities, which would include prioritising high-quality tourniquets, better training, digitisation and clearer communication in line with Nato standards.

“There is simply no place for such problems as subpar tourniquets,” Umerov wrote on Facebook after his meeting with the president.

“There will not be much time to wait for results,” Zelenskyy said. “Changes need to be made quickly.”

Ostashchenko was replaced by Major General Anatoly Kazmirchuk, who heads Kyiv’s main military clinic. While Ostashchenko’s dismissal was largely met with approval from Ukrainian military medics, some questioned the appointment of Kazmirchuk.

His appointment, combat medic Rina Reznik wrote on the social media platform X, was “not a productive decision”.

“I wanted a charismatic leader as the commander of the medical forces,” she said. “But I hope the new commander will at least be careful in his decisions and actions and will rely on the [military medical] community.”

Ostashchenko’s removal came after media reports last week that she and two other military leaders could be fired. Independent news outlet Ukrainska Pravda reported that Umerov might decide to replace her, as well as Oleksandr Tarnavsky, the general leading Ukraine’s struggling southern counteroffensive, and Serhiy Naiev, a lieutenant-general and commander of the joint forces.

Umerov was tapped by Zelenskyy to lead and reform the defence ministry in September. His appointment followed a corruption scandal within the ministry over allegations that it was paying inflated prices for food and military jackets for the country’s soldiers.

Umerov did not respond to a request for comment about personnel changes on Monday. He has not spoken publicly about replacing Tarnavsky and Naiev.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 1:28 pm

bespoke
Nov 21, 2023 1:24 PM

It doesn’t need a powerful navy in those narrows, a helicopter suffices.

Please say you’re not serious, Dover.

Yemen’s Houthi rebels have released footage of their military wing hijacking a cargo ship in the Red Sea.

The footage shows the Iranian-backed group landing on the ship called ‘Galaxy Leader’ – in a helicopter, before taking the crew hostage.

A Houthi spokesperson says the rebels commandeered the ship because it was owned by an Israeli, and warned they view any ships with links to Israel as legitimate military targets.

Israel has said the ship is British-owned and Japanese-operated, and called the seizure an ‘Iranian act of terror’.

Iran denies any involvement in the hijacking.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 1:32 pm

Bullock issues wages warning as RBA considers another rate rise

Michael Read – Economics correspondent

Reserve Bank governor Michele Bullock has warned that 4 per cent wage rises cannot be sustained without an increase in productivity, as the central bank flags the possibility of another cash rate rise to quash inflation.

“Inflation is the crucial challenge over the next one to two years,” Ms Bullock said on Tuesday.

In her most expansive remarks about wages since becoming governor, Ms Bullock warned that rapidly rising labour costs were posing a challenge to the central bank as it battled to get inflation back to its 2 to 3 per cent inflation target.

Annual wages growth hit a 14-year high of 4 per cent in the September quarter, as aged care employees and low-paid workers received large one-off wage rises due to decisions made by the Fair Work Commission.

While the Albanese government has celebrated the increase in nominal wages growth, Ms Bullock said it needed to be matched with an increase in productivity to keep inflationary pressures in check.

“But we haven’t had any productivity growth in Australia for a number of years,” Ms Bullock said during a panel discussion at a conference hosted by ASIC.

“Although wage rises of around about 4 per cent in a normal context of productivity growth aren’t necessarily inconsistent with our inflation target.

If we don’t have any productivity growth, they’re on the high side and they’re going to contribute to rises in costs.”

The 3.6 per cent decline in labour productivity over the past 12 months means unit labour costs – the difference between wages and productivity – are growing at a brisk 7.5 per cent.

“That’s not helpful for the inflation thing,” Ms Bullock said.

Further cash rate rise possible

The minutes of the RBA’s November 7 board meeting, released shortly after Ms Bullock’s remarks, reiterated the board may increase the cash rate beyond 4.35 per cent amid fears high inflation may prove persistent.

“Members agreed that whether further tightening of monetary policy is required to ensure that inflation returns to target in a reasonable time frame would depend on how the incoming data alter the economic outlook and the evolving assessment of risks,” the minutes said.

The minutes noted that the RBA’s current economic outlook was predicated on one to two interest rate rises over coming quarters. This includes the November rate rise, and implies one more move may be required, which would take the cash rate to 4.6 per cent.

Echoing her predecessor Philip Lowe, Ms Bullock pushed back on a perception that high inflation was a product of supply-side developments in petrol prices, rents and energy.

“But actually there’s an underlying demand component to it as well, and that’s what the central banks are trying to get on top of.”

The minutes cited the strength in demand as one of the reasons the board opted to deliver its 13th cash rate increase earlier in the month.

“High inflation was being underpinned by above-average price rises for a wide range of consumer goods and services. There was clear evidence – most notably for services price inflation, which was quite brisk – that this owed to domestically generated pressures associated with aggregate demand exceeding aggregate supply.”

Ms Bullock said the key to stopping further falls in real wages was to restore low and stable inflation.

“It’s good for employment. It’s good for people’s pay packets – their real wages – and it’s good for the Australian economy.”

Lysander
Lysander
November 21, 2023 1:32 pm

In their eyes, Hamas is entitled to brutally attack and butcher innocent Israelis in a reign of terror and take hundreds hostage (in breach of international law) because of Israel’s colonialist apartheid regime.

LOL! What a joke! Albanese in name, Albanese in nature!

The only sign I saw of “apartheid” in Israel was in Southern Bethlehem where there was a huge red road sign on the Southern Highway stating: “Israeli citizens not to pass beyond this point.”

….meaning, Israeli citizens are limited where they can go in their own country.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 1:35 pm

pete of perth
Nov 21, 2023 12:22 PM
TE. Dad was on the Vampire in 80/81. They went up to observe the re-entry of a Chinese rocket into the ocean. Large contingent of chunk navy was there as well. He said they would occasionally send over one of their warships to check out the “vintage” DD. Sometimes with their fire-control radars on.

IIRC, that was the occasion when the Chunks complained to DFAT about low level runs by an Australian P-3.

Ronnie RAAF had to get DFAT to explain the difference between long tailed rats as marked on Australian aircraft and fat-arsed chooks as seen on New Zealand aircraft.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 1:37 pm

An example of government roots everything…
In my spare time at work ive been looking for a few jobs for local Aboriginal people.

Got together a couple of proposals that will be tried.

Have one more based on the turtles I found in the old mine workings, idea being to get the necessary permissions/licences to enable them to be captured and sold to pet shops (quoted price was $250 a turtle).
Not a massive earner, but low effort self managing resource with the possibility of breeding up a few more in other abandoned workings.

Small problems, Ive sent the inquiry off to a major pet supply mob – happy to take any stock, but the type of turtle has to be “listed”..
Which is done by Parks and wildlife in WA.

Who arent processing any applications for new animals, or even new licences to take animals.
Because… reasons…

Its been a week since i sent the outline of the proposal to their “contact us”, not a murmur back.

Time to escalate.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 1:37 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Nov 21, 2023 12:25 PM
My dear old mother always thought Arafat looked like a grubby little man that needed a good wash.

The Israelis are said to have claimed that it wasn’t worth the bother of assassinating him – they might replace him with someone more effective…

Be that as it may, on one occasion, they sent a fighter all the way to Tunis in an attempt to get him. He was late to the pre-planned meeting of PLO bigwigs, and survived the attempt.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 1:38 pm

Very different circumstances, OldOzzie.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 21, 2023 1:40 pm

The cop son of a former state premier has been found guilty of fabricating evidence that wrongfully landed a man behind bars over alleged threats to kill police.

The son of former NSW premier Kristina Keneally has learned his fate over accusations he fabricated a police statement that wrongfully landed a man behind bars.

The apple don’t fall far …
Justice Sir Marcus Einfeld, KCMG, VC and bar, DSO, DFC got two years for falsifying a speeding fine declaration.
Given that this grub managed to get a bloke locked up for three weeks on the basis of a totally fabricated statement, two years in the slot should be the starting point.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 1:46 pm

Given that this grub managed to get a bloke locked up for three weeks on the basis of a totally fabricated statement, two years in the slot should be the starting point.

Um…it’s in the LC of NSW. It may be the end point as well.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 21, 2023 1:50 pm

Ted Hopkins brown bread.
Best known for his work coming off the bench in the 1970 VFL Grand Final for Carlton. Blues 44 down at half time to win by 10. Hopkins kicked 4.
Also founded Champion Data for the football analysts.

Winston Smith
November 21, 2023 1:52 pm

Old Ozzie:
Thanks for that data – interesting.
I’m waiting for a call back from Kelvinator about their deceptively worded ad. Not sure it will arrive but.
I was looking at Haier fridges, but most are plumber installed for cold water and stuff I really don’t want or need.
p.s.
I went to the local electrical place and the Kelvinator KTM5402WC was sitting there, wagging its tail. So I bought that one.
Old mate will deliver it in an hours time.
Thanks for the advice.

Winston Smith
November 21, 2023 1:56 pm

Mother Lode

Nov 21, 2023 11:38 AM
If the attack from Gaza is not to be called a war owing to it not being formally a separate country, then it is a civil war.
What are the rules for civil war?

That was a point I tried to make a few months ago. There are no rules. None. And it’s rare for anyone to be punished unless they’re on the losing side.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 21, 2023 1:57 pm

Still here Monty.
Shame obviously not one of your traits.
Check out Michael Smith’s site and watch a born and bred Gazan execute a pleading woman.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/11/destroy-hamas-every-last-one-of-them.html

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 1:58 pm

Escalation successful, inquiry was sitting on dest and will be replied too soon.
Expecting a no, in which case ill flick it over to our Aboriginal liasion lady to try and get through.
As i explained to the chap on the phone – the turtles will all be gone the day after the community knows they exist- eaten.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 2:00 pm

thefrollickingmole
Nov 21, 2023 1:37 PM

An example of government roots everything…

In my spare time at work ive been looking for a few jobs for local Aboriginal people.

Got together a couple of proposals that will be tried.

Have one more based on the turtles I found in the old mine workings, idea being to get the necessary permissions/licences to enable them to be captured and sold to pet shops (quoted price was $250 a turtle).
Not a massive earner, but low effort self managing resource with the possibility of breeding up a few more in other abandoned workings.

Small problems, Ive sent the inquiry off to a major pet supply mob – happy to take any stock, but the type of turtle has to be “listed”..

Which is done by Parks and wildlife in WA.

Who arent processing any applications for new animals, or even new licences to take animals.
Because… reasons…

Its been a week since i sent the outline of the proposal to their “contact us”, not a murmur back.

Time to escalate.

thefrollickingmole

no one in Local, State/Territory/Federal Governemnt is actually working in an Office – They are all “Working” from Home

Rang North Sydney Council last Friday at 3.50pm – said I wanted to talk to the Planning Department, to phone Receptionist

Why? because I can’t find what the Floor Space Ratio for Area Zoned R3 Residential is, on your website

Answer You should look at the Councel DEP Plan – No I can’t find it anywhere on that site

Please put me through to the Planning Department – It is a Simple Question & should be easily answered

No – You can’t speak to the Planning Dept – Look it up and I was Hung Up on by the Telephone Receptionist

My assumption was that there was no human actually in the North Sydney Council Planning Department at 3.50pm on a Friday Afternoon – ALL “Working” from home – Hmmm

Fired for not logging on enough from home

Earlier this year, The FWC backed Insurance Australia Group – which trades under the names NRMA Insurance, CGU and Swann – after it dismissed an employee who was working from home.

Suzie Cheikho was fired for missing deadlines and meetings, being absent and uncontactable, and failing to complete a task which caused the industry regulator to fine IAG.

After a warning last year, IAG began to analyse the number of times she physically pressed her keyboard on 49 working days from October to December.

The review found she did not work her rostered hours for 44 days, started late on 47 days, finished early on 29 days and performed zero hours of work on 4 days.

She averaged 54 strokes per hour over the duration of her surveillance, which showed “she was not presenting for work and performing work as required”.

In a formal meeting about the review, Ms Cheikho said she did “not believe for a minute” the data was true, but showed no evidence that she’d been online and working when the report showed she hadn’t.

In a separate case, another boss monitored the call logs of his staff as he suspected they were “taking him for a ride”.

The director of a company – who can’t be named for legal reasons – knew something was wrong when contribution to work chats dwindled, email responses slowed and a growing number of calls went unanswered.

Calls also weren’t being logged on the company’s software.

Following further inquiries, he discovered that not only were calls not being logged, but many were found to be “ghost calls” – or fake entries.

Within 18 months, he fired three employees after tracking their call logs and determining they were doing insufficient work.

The bolded above would never happen in a Public Service Office, be it Local, State/Territory, Federal Govt Dept

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 21, 2023 2:03 pm

Kennel lee jr following mummy’s footsteps as a Liar extraordinaire. Seeing mummy being rewarded for lying didn’t work out well for junior. Role model in reverse.

Lysander
Lysander
November 21, 2023 2:04 pm

A priestly mate (who is also a priest) was over for lunch yesterday and he said he does worry about Christians in Palestine…. (but he fully supports Israel).

Not really sure what can be done about that situation; nor how Christians would find themselves in Palestine in the first place!!!???

Winston Smith
November 21, 2023 2:04 pm

bespoke

Nov 21, 2023 11:41 AM
No fridge can withstand the toxic effects of XXXX. Just buy an old stock trough Winston.

Jeez – bloody tough crowd here this afternoon.
But I’ll have you know it’s 200 litre NEC that’s about 15 years old and more immune to the effects of XXXX than I am. It takes two blocks of XXXX tinnies with enough room for six bottles of red.

Jorge
Jorge
November 21, 2023 2:10 pm

4. Australian cannot “stand up to” China

I wonder if this news broke some months ago and Albo’s response has been to kow tow and just clam up whenever he is asked to comment on anything to do with China.

That seems to be the way he is playing this most recent story.

Notable too is Wong’s impersonation of a deaf mute.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 21, 2023 2:11 pm

Am I being unreasonable to expect the maximum penalty for perjury to be the same as what the innocent person the ##$%$#@ were trying to get convicted.

Gabor
Gabor
November 21, 2023 2:14 pm

Winston Smith
Nov 21, 2023 2:04 PM

But I’ll have you know it’s 200 litre NEC that’s about 15 years old and more immune to the effects of XXXX than I am. It takes two blocks of XXXX tinnies with enough room for six bottles of red.

Good luck with the new fridge Winston.
As long you keep away from Woodstock cans, it will last a lifetime.

Ps I don’t even know how you drink Woodstock?
Cold or room temp or why at all?

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 2:15 pm

Am I being unreasonable to expect the maximum penalty for perjury to be the same as what the innocent person the ##$%$#@ were trying to get convicted.

No. False accusers should be severely punished.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 2:24 pm

You’re denying yourself one of lifes greatest pleasure’s, Gabor.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 2:37 pm

Renewables facing “Enron-style collapse” says Venture Capitalist — Sustainability has become a dirty word

By Jo Nova

Burning Money Ahead

Word is spreading openly of the awful third quarter results in wind and solar power, and in EV’s. Morningstar noted some $14 billion dollars moved out of sustainability funds in the last quarter even before the dismal results were announced.

This is only a small part of the $300 billion total, but it’s a big bad shift in momentum in a sector that is supposed to be going exponential and theoretically “the next big thing”.

Two years ago funds were tagging anything they could with Sustainability.

But the term has become a dirty word, and so has ESG. Funds that were enthusiastically adding these green terms to their titles are now dropping them and backing away slowly…

With major daily business newspapers now reporting the bad news it’s hard to see what will stop the slide — only massive subsidies would do that (temporarily), but the US has already done that with the bizarrely named Inflation Reduction Act.

But make no mistake, there is a $300 billion industry begging for help and a lot of politicians who don’t want to admit their renewables push was an economic disaster.

The German government has bailed out Siemens, and the UK government is throwing money at wind power to try to get investors back.

It’s like communism by stealth.

The government demands industries do magical things, then when they fail, it saves them, making industry increasingly serve governments instead of customers.

But the money, or the system can’t go on forever…

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 2:41 pm

Can China spend its way out of economic crisis?

Falling tax revenue and high local debt cast doubt on how much budgetary firepower Beijing really has

This month, China’s new finance minister Lan Fo’an told markets what they had been waiting to hear — Beijing would boost budget spending to support a delicate post-pandemic recovery in the world’s second-largest economy.

China is to deploy an arsenal of local and central government bonds, including a new Rmb1tn treasury facility — which will push Beijing’s budget deficit up to a two-decade high of 3.8 per cent this year, Lan said, to “maintain fiscal spending intensity at an appropriate level”.

But while the message was welcomed by investors, many analysts question just how much budgetary firepower Beijing really has to boost flagging confidence in the economy and drive stronger momentum for growth.

With economic growth slowing and Beijing’s former investment-led development model losing steam, tax revenue is under pressure, analysts say.

Beijing is reluctant to borrow more, given that it has huge pools of bad debt to resolve at the local government level.

“This is the longer-running story — that fiscal policy has been constrained for the last three to four years,” said Logan Wright, director of China markets research at Rhodium Group. “[And] it’s becoming more and more constrained in terms of what it can actually do.”

This year, as the economy struggled to rebound from a downturn wrought by zero-Covid controls in 2022 and a property slowdown, the government responded with incremental easing measures. 

Beijing is reluctant to ramp up leverage as it did after the financial crisis in 2008, when it unleashed a Rmb4tn stimulus then worth 13 per cent of gross domestic product. 

This time around, the central government has not leveraged what, on the face of it, is a relatively clean balance sheet, analysts say. Compared with local governments, which have debt worth about 76 per cent of GDP, the central government had only about 21.3 per cent last year, according to Wright.

“We would argue Beijing has considerable fiscal resources at its disposal,” said Fred Neumann, chief Asia economist at HSBC. He said Beijing had room to add more debt worth about 20-30 percentage points of GDP, which would go a long way to solving local government debt problems. 

IMF analysts also said in a paper released in August that China’s net financial position, taking into account its assets such as equity holdings, was among the top 15 in the world, at 7.25 per cent of GDP, though this has been steadily declining and the valuation of the assets were subject to uncertainty because of factors including liquidity.

Most analysts believe, however, that the central government’s real debt obligations are much bigger than the numbers suggest. Beijing acts as the ultimate backstop for the country’s total government debt, estimated by Rhodium’s Wright at 142 per cent of GDP last year, including that held by the central government, policy banks, local governments and local government financing vehicles (LGFV) — off balance sheet entities that raise their own funds.

“In China, the boundaries are a bit blurred,” said Hui Shan, economist at Goldman Sachs, on how to calculate the government’s total debt liabilities. “At what point does an LGFV’s obligations end before they become the responsibility of the local government — it’s hard to draw that line.” 

Resolving local government debt problems has become one of the most urgent issues for Beijing. Upgrading China’s economic growth forecast for this year to 5.4 per cent from 5 per cent, the IMF said that Beijing still needed to “implement co-ordinated fiscal framework reforms”.

Since September, Beijing has been asking state banks to lower interest charges and extend the tenure of local government loans, Gavekal Dragonomics wrote. Beijing has also been allowing provincial governments to issue bonds to repay LGFV debts.

By early November, at least 27 provinces and one municipality had issued Rmb1.2tn of the bonds, which use quotas for local government bond sales that were allocated in previous years but not fully utilised.

By bailing out local governments with another round of bond swaps — the last one was in 2015-18 — the central government was prioritising “preventing risk”, Gavekal said. That meant stopping damaging defaults in the bond market that could have a huge ripple effect. 

This comes at the expense of promoting a sense of moral hazard among local government borrowers. But there are signs Beijing is becoming less demanding on local governments over growth targets, which should lessen the need to overborrow in the future. 

“The message goes out to local government officials that ‘we’re not putting quite as much pressure on you as in the past to achieve exceptionally high rates of growth, so you don’t need the LGFVs as much as in the past’,” said Chris Beddor, deputy director of China research at Gavekal. 

But the central problem of inadequate government revenue generation will still remain, analysts say. Under reforms in 1994, the central government controls tax revenue while local governments are responsible for more services. Short of cash to meet all their obligations, many local governments have typically overborrowed. 

“The fiscal structure is really why we got into this mess. So there needs to be ultimately a change in political incentives, maybe a change in the fiscal structure in order to get us out of it,” said Beddor.

But the other critical problem was that as China’s old debt-fuelled investment model switched towards a more consumption-based one, revenues from land sales and value-added taxes had fallen, particularly as the property market had imploded in recent years.

Aggregate tax collection to GDP is down from 18.5 per cent in 2014 to 13.8 per cent last year, Rhodium’s Wright said.

The Chinese Communist party could increasingly face stark choices about how to balance social and development needs with some of President Xi Jinping’s strategic objectives, such as developing high-tech industries or overseas infrastructure projects.

“There’s a bigger problem of how do you maintain fiscal resources in the system,” Wright said. “And the point is, China faces very meaningful trade-offs between all of these adjustments.”  

China could increase its fiscal deficit further but this was already high at an aggregate 7 per cent of GDP, Wright said.

“Yes, you can ramp that up to 8-9 per cent, but then there’s almost nowhere to go,” he said. “It’s really hard to continue to expand.”

Alamak!
Alamak!
November 21, 2023 2:46 pm

The director of a company – who can’t be named for legal reasons – knew something was wrong when contribution to work chats dwindled, email responses slowed and a growing number of calls went unanswered.

Following further inquiries, he discovered that not only were calls not being logged, but many were found to be “ghost calls” – or fake entries.

Hence the weekly “activity summary” emails from teams and similar. The system is tracking staff activity and WFH will not be a preferred option soon in those companies, like above, that are looking at WFH productivity.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 21, 2023 3:05 pm

My dear old mother always thought Arafat looked like a grubby little man that needed a good wash.

Those Middle Eastern barbers are usually quite good. Just don’t be there when they go up in flames.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 21, 2023 3:07 pm

Paramotor m0nty did another fly-by trolling eh?

Black Ball reported:

Get a fact check thingy whereby it said the babies were merely shot indiscriminately. Like that makes a difference.

Sounds like it does make a difference. If it is not true then whoever made it up did so for making more emotional impact.

via OldOzzie:

In 2015, Amnesty International said that Hamas interrogated and tortured prisoners in Al-Shifa.

Wait! I know this one.
(adopts rigid flabby posture and sugar-crash blank stare)
AmNeSty InTerNati0nal aRe CGI.
Do I get a donut?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 21, 2023 3:07 pm

The 3.6 per cent decline in labour productivity over the past 12 months means unit labour costs – the difference between wages and productivity – are growing at a brisk 7.5 per cent.

That’s not helpful for the inflation thing,” Ms Bullock said.

No, indeed, not at all helpful.
It’s pointing a skeleton hand to the Australia-going-down-the-toilet thing.

See also:
• the 97.3%-Renewable-Energy thing;
• the 500,000-annual-new-citizens thing;
• the working-from-home-thing;
• the NDIS-concierge thing;
• the Truth-Treaty-and-LandCruisers thing; and
• the burgeoning-public-sector-adding-drag-to-the-productive-economy thing.

Old Faustus’ Almanac Predicts: Ms Bullock has a sudden change of career in her future.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 3:13 pm

Lysander

The only sign I saw of “apartheid” in Israel was in Southern Bethlehem where there was a huge red road sign on the Southern Highway stating: “Israeli citizens not to pass beyond this point.”

….meaning, Israeli citizens are limited where they can go in their own country.

See also the permit system for access to large parts of Australia by most Australian citizens.

JC
JC
November 21, 2023 3:14 pm

dover0beach
Nov 21, 2023 1:12 PM
Powerful navy with these destroyers.

It doesn’t need a powerful navy in those narrows, a helicopter suffices.

So the blockade is nonsense then.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 21, 2023 3:15 pm

But I’ll have you know it’s 200 litre NEC that’s about 15 years old and more immune to the effects of XXXX than I am. It takes two blocks of XXXX tinnies with enough room for six bottles of red.

Not just XXXX.
There is no Winston ‘better self’.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 3:16 pm

Al-Shifa Hospital and the pathological distrust of Israel

From CNN to the radical left, why won’t people accept the truth about Hamas’s horrors at al-Shifa?

BRENDAN O’NEILL CHIEF POLITICAL WRITER 20th November 2023

We need to talk about the pathological distrust of Israel.

About the speed and relish with which our media elites dismiss every Israeli claim about the war in Gaza.

Consider the Battle of al-Shifa Hospital. Israeli officials have offered up ample proof that the hospital was used as a military base by Hamas.

They’ve shown us caches of weapons, video footage of gun-toting, knife-wielding men hurrying hostages through corridors, a vast tunnel that is 10 metres down and 55 metres long.

And yet it is all breezily discounted. This is not healthy scepticism of ‘war propaganda’ – it’s a dogmatic refusal to accept a single thing the Jewish State says.

The morbid disbelief of Israeli evidence has reached insane levels in recent days.

When IDF commanders displayed the Kalashnikovs, ammunition, hand grenades and bullet-proof vests they found at al-Shifa, the woke media shrugged.

These are just ‘small stashes’ of weapons, said the BBC in its best haughty voice.

This begs the question of how much weaponry Britain’s public broadcaster thinks it is acceptable for a fascist movement to store in a hospital.

Ten guns? Twenty? ‘Those piles of Kalashnikovs’ are ‘frankly not convincing’, said the BBC’s Jeremy Bowen with superb derision.

Maybe they belong to the hospital’s ‘security department’, he said.

Left observers have been alarmingly cavalier about the weapons.

‘A few bits of weaponry’ is how one of the people at Novara Media put it. CNN published a ridiculous ‘exposé’ of how the IDF’s display of Hamas weapons seemed to be ‘rearranged’. In some media clips there were more weapons than in other media clips.

Yes, because more ‘terrorist assets’ were discovered ‘throughout the day’, said the IDF.

Too late for rational explanations, guys: CNN’s ‘exposé’ had already spread like a pox through social media where Islamists and racists giddily cited it as proof that those sneaky Israelis planted the weapons to try to frame poor Hamas.

Yesterday, following Israel’s release of CCTV footage showing armed men hauling bloodied hostages into al-Shifa, things got really ridiculous.

All I see are ‘injured hostages’ being taken for ‘medical treatment’, said Guardian columnist Owen Jones.

That does not justify ‘Israel’s massacre of the hospital’, he said.

Yes, the famously humanitarian Hamas, always keen to care for the civilians it violates and brutalises.

One of the Hamas terrorists in the CCTV clip seems to be wielding a meat cleaver. The others have Kalashnikovs – or a ‘few bits of weaponry’, as I think we’re meant to say.

These videos are damning in the extreme.

That heavily armed terrorists are able to move with impunity through the hospital’s corridors is strong proof that they enjoy some form of dominion there.

Anyone who says otherwise is clearly so blinded by Israelophobia that they can no longer see what’s in front of their faces.

And now there’s the tunnel. Israel has released footage of a vast tunnel found under a canopy on the hospital grounds.

Also under the canopy was a pick-up truck packed with weapons, similar to the ones Hamas used in its pogrom of 7 October.

The CNN hacks who visited the tunnel last night said, no doubt through gritted teeth, that it looks like ‘compelling’ evidence of Hamas malfeasance. ‘But’ – you knew there was a but – ‘even then it was unclear what [the tunnel] was or how far it went down’.

Alex Thomson of Channel 4 News said Israel is ‘gradually building evidence of Hamas military activity [at al-Shifa]’, and you could almost sense the disappointment in his voice.

But it does not ‘amount to evidence of a Hamas command and control centre’ in the hospital.

They will never be satisfied, will they?

They’re shown stashes of lethal weapons, grenades, military clothing.

They’re shown videos of Hamas pushing hostages around the hospital.

They’re shown a Hamas-style truck with guns in it.

They’re shown a tunnel that leads to a blast door with a ‘gunhole for Hamas to shoot through’. And again and again they say: ‘We’re not convinced.’

The bodies of two Israeli hostages were found close to al-Shifa.

I swear we’re two or three thinkpieces away from some journalist wondering out loud if the only reason those departed souls were near the hospital is because lovely Hamas took them there for ‘medical treatment’ but it turned out to be too late.

Indolent
Indolent
November 21, 2023 3:22 pm

They don’t hate him for cratering the economy or being a traitor, a pervert and a constitutional liar, oh no. They hate him for his lukewarm support for Israel.

Nolte: Joe Biden Craters in NBC Poll Thanks to Jew-Hating Young Democrats

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 21, 2023 3:24 pm

My dear old mother always thought Arafat looked like a grubby little man that needed a good wash.

It was always interesting – Mrs Arafat didn’t want to live in “Palestine” – she preferred Paris, where the shopping was better..

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 21, 2023 3:26 pm

J’Accuse – An Open Letter to Hamas Apologists

By: Daniel Wolf

Those of you who know me recognize that my post three weeks ago about my experiences in Israel at the outbreak of the war (https://tinyurl.com/5xyc24f6) was my first ever on any social media.

As we are taught by Ecclesiastes 3:7, “there is a time to keep silent, and a time to speak.” – Now is a time to scream.

The blood was not yet dry from the wholesale slaughter of 1,400 Israelis, and the chorus of condemnation of Israel, the victim, began from all corners of the globe.

I suspect that this reflects the discomfort that Jews suddenly dare respond to the cold-blooded killing of our people. Through so much of history – the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Pogroms, the Holocaust – Jews were expected to just take it.

Pack our bags, hang our heads, and move on to the next temporary home.

But now, suddenly those same Jews are responding – we have a voice and we have force. The brave soldiers of the IDF will deliver the military response.

But each of us have to raise our voices in response to the rank anti-Semitism exposed by this war.

Until now, cowards excused their hate by telling us that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism, a macabre twist on the “Zionism is Racism” resolution from the moral midgets at the United Nations. That gig is up.

You only have to look at the photographs of a Norwegian medical student and a New York City public school student proudly holding up a sign saying “Please Keep the World Clean” calling for the extermination of Jews or the crowds chanting “Gas the Jews” outside the Sydney Opera House to expose the lie.

For those not familiar with the allusion in the title of this post, it refers to the famous open letter published in 1898 by Emile Zola on the front page of the newspaper L’Aurore in the wake of the Dreyfus affair.

It was addressed to the French president, accusing his government and army of anti-Semitism for the conviction of Alfred Dreyfus, a French army officer, on false charges of espionage.

With all due respect to Zola, I borrow his catch-phrase and style to publicly challenge the moral bankruptcy of the full panoply of Hamas apologists:

I ACCUSE the administrations of many of the nation’s leading academic institutions, including Harvard, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Cooper Union, among many others, unwilling to condemn the massacre without equivocation or to loudly condemn the multitude of campus displays of anti-Semitism of pusillanimous cowardice, having surrendered their moral compass and carving a place for themselves in the pantheon of dishonorable academic leaders alongside those of the University of Heidelberg (circa 1930) and the University of Alabama (circa 1963).

I ACCUSE those college personnel and government officials who tell frightened Jews to lock themselves in their homes or college libraries while standing by as pro-Hamas protesters violently riot and threaten the safety of those Jews of having a twisted notion of their obligations to protect free speech and exhibiting an immoral inability to distinguish between their duties to victims and to perpetrators.

I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE,
I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE, I ACCUSE,

To conclude, I will come back to the words of Ecclesiastes (and a Byrds song). King Solomon tells us that while there is a time for love and a time for peace, equally there is a time for hate and a time for war.

The time now is to hate Hamas for their barbaric crimes and to wage war to eliminate them.

Indolent
Indolent
November 21, 2023 3:30 pm
Winston Smith
November 21, 2023 3:31 pm

Gabor
Nov 21, 2023 2:14 PM

Winston Smith
Nov 21, 2023 2:04 PM
But I’ll have you know it’s 200 litre NEC that’s about 15 years old and more immune to the effects of XXXX than I am. It takes two blocks of XXXX tinnies with enough room for six bottles of red.

Good luck with the new fridge Winston.
As long you keep away from Woodstock cans, it will last a lifetime.
Ps I don’t even know how you drink Woodstock?
Cold or room temp or why at all?

Gabor, I share your mystification about Woodstock – I’ve never drunk it. But that’s because I don’t have a dog and a cow paddock for the dog to roll in, which necessitates the washing of the dog in Woodstock. And I’ve run out of old singlets which are what you filter the Woodstock through, just to get that lumpy sensation out.

Indolent
Indolent
November 21, 2023 3:33 pm
Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 21, 2023 3:34 pm

I recall that the guy Kenneely son fitted up was a well known trouble maker. Son was only out of training a year or so. No way he decided to make up the story on his own. Probably encouraged by somebody else.

Either way a serious thing to do and there should be jail time since the “victim” did spend time in jail.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 21, 2023 3:35 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 21, 2023 3:35 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 21, 2023 3:37 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 21, 2023 3:39 pm
bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 3:41 pm

I’ve never drunk it.

You should give it a try Winston. It may just stop you posting brains farts such as marrying ya sister to boost the population.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 21, 2023 3:42 pm

The Daily Wire is doing a series they are calling ‘The Pendragon Cycle’ – supposedly including Arthurian stories before Arthur.

The series is based on a series of novels presenting a sort of reconstruction from ancient traditions. (I note that Merlin is ‘Merlin’ in others’ stories, but Myrddin in his own.) They also source the poet Taliesin, who was a famous enough bard but whose name also has a rather more ancient pagan tradition.

It is interesting because the Arthurian cycle (Thomas Mallory’s version plus a butt-load of French fan-fiction – duly Christianised but not necessarily conforming to proper Christian sexual norms) is well established. But this would seem older.

I wonder what they are working towards.

(FWIW, word is the Arthur’s ‘sword in the stone’ was originally Greek Theseus’ ‘sword and sandals under the stone that only he could move)

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