Open Thread – Mon 20 Nov 2023


La Grenouillere, Auguste Renoir, 1869

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Boambee John
Boambee John
November 20, 2023 9:44 pm

m0nty
Nov 20, 2023 9:39 PM
I don’t trust any side’s hot news on this mess, rosie. You can choose to swallow obvious propaganda, but it is impossible to tell what is true while the war is still red hot from thousands of miles away.

If it “is impossible to tell what is true”, how do you know that it is “obvious propaganda”?

No wonder you failed Economics 1, you are incapable of logical thought. Stick to fantasy football, real life is too complex for your tiny mind.

calli
calli
November 20, 2023 9:44 pm

The “fog of war” excuse doesn’t wash this time. Hamas uploaded their frolics for s&g’s. And western news agencies were embedded with them.

No dice. There’s a wealth of unadulterated evidence. Inconvenient. No wonder the surrounding friendlies are staying at arm’s length.

MatrixTransform
November 20, 2023 9:45 pm

but it is impossible to tell what is true while the war is still red hot from thousands of miles away

preach it brother

tell everybody what’s really going on

stupid man

Mark Bolton
November 20, 2023 9:46 pm

@m0nty

See they make my argument for me … how much more infantile can you get? and these folks are well into three score at least..

I know you once enjoyed teasing them and quite enjoyed yourself .. I tried to understand them .. actually… I began to understand them !! Horrifying … Mate … Red Cones around this one …

Walk on by …

Dot
Dot
November 20, 2023 9:47 pm

Now the question is, is Diabetus stronger or weaker than Diabetes?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 20, 2023 9:49 pm

Quotes attributable to Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney

“The Australian Government is ensuring First Nations people have a real say in Australia’s energy future and are not locked out of the clean energy transformation.

“First Nations people have strong local and cultural knowledge, including management of Country, and this can and should inform how Australia transforms its energy systems to achieve net zero by 2050.”

Michael Smith News. We are supposed to take this malarkey seriously?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 20, 2023 9:51 pm

LOL Bruce. No they didn’t.

Do pls keep up monty.
The reports are everywhere.
I’m amused by your ignorance

(Maybe try some righty outlets. Like JPost or Arutz Sheva.)

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 20, 2023 9:51 pm

m0nty
Nov 20, 2023 9:28 PM
Yes.

LOL Bruce. No they didn’t.

LOL. FatBoy falls for “obvious propaganda” from Hamarse.

Jorge
Jorge
November 20, 2023 9:51 pm

Sounds like a political version of ‘My Mum, Your Dad’.

C.L.
C.L.
November 20, 2023 9:53 pm

including management of Country

The Aborigines burned down the country for thousands of years – desertifying the continent and killing probably the greatest collection of exotic critters on the planet.

We need their country ‘management’ like we need Albo’s economic smarts.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 20, 2023 9:53 pm

See they make my argument for me

You don’t make any argument at all. You demand debate, but produce ridiculous unicorn-based ephemera.

At least mUnter admits he’s a self-interested coward, sustained by the assets and income of others and with no skin in any game he enters into*.

*Not a compliment.

rosie
rosie
November 20, 2023 9:54 pm

‘Obvious propaganda’
You mean the footage shot inside gaza and posted to telegram by hamas and gazan civilians of the rape victim (and so many other dead and brutalised Israelis) ?
The video posted by hamas of Noa Marciano alive and then with a close up of her dead body?
Another apologist who will say there is no such thing as hamas, hamas didn’t dig the 500km of tunnels they constantly boasted about and there was no massacre on 7 October.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 20, 2023 9:54 pm

Just finished Waters of Mars, a fine SF! I like the Planet of the Dead better though, sharper and more like a classic golden years SF short story.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 20, 2023 10:03 pm

Funny how Monty is avoiding reality.

If it ever catches up with him he’ll have one of those movie moments. When a bolt of light strikes from above and his eyes open, or something.

Don’t, Monty, be on the road to Damascus right at that time. You wouldn’t like the next few decades.

Mark Bolton
November 20, 2023 10:04 pm

@m0nty

These people are just unsafe … They will verbal you and then go onto enjoy winning and argument they just had with themselves…

but what I was more interested in is that people such as these are making a rallying cry … get us to fight for Australia … Hey who’s Australia … certainly not mine since I am so unworthy … according to the upper crust …

Man the Barricades? Nah not me .. this one is on you …

Arky
November 20, 2023 10:07 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 20, 2023 10:03 PM
Funny how Monty is avoiding reality.

..
Pretty easy really.
Who would you rather rent your spare room to. A random IDF soldier, or your friendly, neighbourhood Hamas operative?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 20, 2023 10:08 pm

Doing a photo op in her mansion whilst half the country was in telecommunications meltdown because of her company was the let them eat cake moment.

To be fair to Me Optus, that would more correctly read …

Allowing a pre-arranged photo shoot in her mansion to go ahead whilst half the country was in telecommunications meltdown because of her company was presented by the Daily Mail as the let them eat cake moment.

Truth is, she probably forgot the photo shoot was even on when the shit hit the fan.
Her stay at home hubby should have twigged to it though.

Zatara
Zatara
November 20, 2023 10:09 pm

FTB, if they win out in the regular season it’s going to be difficult for the committee to deny them a slot in the playoffs. That being said, there are a heap of inter-conference politics involved and the decision is subjective so who knows?

Regardless, they have had a brilliant undefeated season thus far and will be a major threat to run the table next season.

Mark Bolton
November 20, 2023 10:10 pm

@m0nty

Mate “head down and powder dry” … these people are pure poison …

If it doesn’t all turn to custard then the same advice would still apply retrospectively …

If it does ? Can you imagine how helpful they would be ?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 20, 2023 10:11 pm

if you watch the video of the young woman being abducted by motorcycle you can see and hear young teenagers in the vid. You might have to scroll though the photo section of ‘obvious propaganda’.

As the mighty warriors of Islam crouch in those tunnels, bawling, pizzing themselves and begging for mercy, I hope the last images that flash through their minds, before the I.D.F. deal out justice, is an image of some of those young girls.

calli
calli
November 20, 2023 10:15 pm

these people are pure poison

Then piss off, troll.

Stay safe elsewhere.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 20, 2023 10:17 pm

If it doesn’t all turn to custard

You have no idea how relevant that comment is.

Gabor
Gabor
November 20, 2023 10:18 pm

LOL, I think M0nty is squirming now, having a new bestest friend and supporter.

m0nty
m0nty
November 20, 2023 10:21 pm

The reports are everywhere.

So are flies.

All I saw was one table with a collection of AKs smaller than that of the average Texan. As a haul from the supposed epicentre of Hamas, it was laughably small.

According to the IDF, Hamas moved their underground base to somewhere south when they got wind of the attack. Impressive feat of engineering to move an entire underground citadel within a week. Are the Palestinians actually dwarves? Perhaps Israelis should be more concerned about the terrorist threat posed by the Balrog.

Hamas lies. So does the IDF. This happens every time in war. Russia and Ukraine are constantly lying. Both sides in Sudan are lying. No one is lilywhite.

Mark Bolton
November 20, 2023 10:24 pm

@KD

which is why there is no point having any discussion with the like of you .. you already know what I think … whether I do or if I dont … you will easily prevail in such a “debate” …

But custardwise … ? Count me out …

I just wanted to know which direction you folks were traveling .. now I know …

Mark Bolton
November 20, 2023 10:25 pm

@m0nty

either way … best keep it chill.

Mark Bolton
November 20, 2023 10:27 pm

all mouth and trousers with these folk … they will be hitting 000 ..when they get the wind up and expecting us scrotes to respond …

Nah …

m0nty
m0nty
November 20, 2023 10:29 pm

JFC Mark, have some self respect. You are worse than Bird.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 20, 2023 10:30 pm

Anyway, “Sliante” to all you mob. We have the resident court jester back again..

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 20, 2023 10:32 pm

you will easily prevail in such a “debate”

A two year old will easily prevail against you in such a ‘debate’ because you refuse to have an opinion and back it up.

all mouth and trousers with these folk … they will be hitting 000 ..when they get the wind up and expecting us scrotes to respond …

Have you been a secret agent as well? Better add that to your CV then.

Nah …

Exactly.

Mark Bolton
November 20, 2023 10:34 pm

@m0nty

I just dont like these people … they dont like me .. I have no idea who “bird” is …

I approached them respectfully to get a take on their perspective …

They made it abundantly clear who they are .. question asked question answered …

The crusty Right Wing intelligentsia ….

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 20, 2023 10:35 pm

Daily Mail. Any military Cats care to comment?

Ukrainian sniper claims new world record after ‘picking off Russian soldier from 2.36 miles away using “Lord of the Horizon” gun’

A Ukrainian sniper claims to have the record for longest sniper kill in history
The SBU sniper reportedly managed to pick off a Russian soldier from 2.4 miles
The previous record was held by a Canadian special operations soldier

Gabor
Gabor
November 20, 2023 10:38 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Nov 20, 2023 10:32 PM

Have you been a secret agent as well? Better add that to your CV then

MB must be at least 200 years old to be able to crammed in all that ‘lived experience’.

cohenite
November 20, 2023 10:40 pm

All I saw was one table with a collection of AKs smaller than that of the average Texan.

Texans don’t have AKs you dickless moron. An AK is the Lada machine gun `equivalent of choice for Shit stained terrorists. Texans have M-16s. Idiot.

Cassie of Sydney
November 20, 2023 10:42 pm

“So are flies.”

So, in the 1930s and 1940s Nazis compared us Jews to rats.

In 2023, the Nazi here compares us Jews to flies.

He’s a such a disgrace, a grotesque Jew hater. He doesn’t even hide his Jew hatred anymore.

I pop my head in here and I see the Jew hater running amok, much like the Jew haters ran amok on October 7 2023, when they slaughtered, decapitated, raped, burnt alive and kidnapped Jews.

Last night I went to synagogue and I heard the first hand reports and testimony of a survivor of Kfar Aza, a kibbutz near Gaza. The man speaking was lucky to survive, he lost friends and family. He went into great detail about what happened that day. I believe his reports.

Cassie of Sydney
November 20, 2023 10:44 pm

Hey pervert apologist, tonight when you brush your teeth, assuming you do such a thing, and you look at yourself in the mirror and you see your reflection, make sure you punch the mirror, because that way you get to punch a Nazi….YOURSELF.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 20, 2023 10:50 pm

In 2023, the Nazi here compares us Jews to flies.

Cassie, always remember you are a Kitteh. The penalty for offending a Kitteh, or causing her grief, is to have your worthless corpse fed to the pigs, your house made a dunghill, your wife becomes a widow, and your children fatherless.

Zippster
Zippster
November 20, 2023 10:52 pm
Entropy
Entropy
November 20, 2023 10:54 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 20, 2023 9:54 PM
Just finished Waters of Mars, a fine SF! I like the Planet of the Dead better though, sharper and more like a classic golden years SF short story.

is that a doctor who story?

Helen
Helen
November 20, 2023 10:54 pm

Good luck with the surgery tomorrow Cassie
Hugs

Zippster
Zippster
November 20, 2023 10:56 pm

Satya Nadella

@satyanadella
We remain committed to our partnership with OpenAI and have confidence in our product roadmap, our ability to continue to innovate with everything we announced at Microsoft Ignite, and in continuing to support our customers and partners. We look forward to getting to know Emmett Shear and OAI’s new leadership team and working with them. And we’re extremely excited to share the news that Sam Altman and Greg Brockman, together with colleagues, will be joining Microsoft to lead a new advanced AI research team. We look forward to moving quickly to provide them with the resources needed for their success.

Cassie of Sydney
November 20, 2023 10:56 pm

I should just state here and now, before I go to bed, that the survivors of the pogrom in southern Israel on 7 October 2023 are NOT flies.

Dot
Dot
November 20, 2023 10:56 pm

Americans have AR-15 platforms.

C.L.
C.L.
November 20, 2023 10:58 pm

As if Milei hasn’t got a high enough trigger quotient, he’s a Catholic and a serious Judeophile.

Dot
Dot
November 20, 2023 10:59 pm

You have no idea how relevant that comment is.

Your comment is off the pace.

C.L.
C.L.
November 20, 2023 11:02 pm

When I say serious Judeophile, I mean he has studied the Torah under rabbinic scholars who he counts as his closest friends.

Cassie of Sydney
November 20, 2023 11:03 pm

Milei is also seriously sexy!

Zippster
Zippster
November 20, 2023 11:08 pm

And we’re extremely excited to share the news that Sam Altman and Greg Brockman, together with colleagues, will be joining Microsoft to lead a new advanced AI research team

The borg takes over AGI. google are looking at this and thinking: shit hey.

I am looking forward to my UBI

Zippster
Zippster
November 20, 2023 11:09 pm

Dot, What’s your thoughts on the spaceX launched quantum inertia experiment?

calli
calli
November 20, 2023 11:11 pm

We have just pulled into Bodø. AKA the most boring town in Scandinavia, according to our guide. It is minus 8 out there.

The Beloved, channelling Captain Scot, is venturing forth. I shall remain within.

The sky is utterly clear, the air frosty, everything is glowing with ice crystals.

C.L.
C.L.
November 20, 2023 11:12 pm

Anyone who calls this pope a “potato” has my vote. 🙂

I’d also like to see Dutton campaign with a chainsaw.

C.L.
C.L.
November 20, 2023 11:13 pm

Calli, you are a gifted chronicler of nature, scenery and travel.

Dot
Dot
November 20, 2023 11:15 pm

Zippster
Nov 20, 2023 11:09 PM
Dot, What’s your thoughts on the spaceX launched quantum inertia experiment?

I will look at anything McCulloch has written and report back. I knew something was coming up but not been paying attention.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 20, 2023 11:17 pm

Target on guns: Separate laws keep sniper rifles on the streets

exclusive
By ellen whinnett
Associate editor
@ellenwhinnett
and sarah elks
Senior Reporter
@sarahelks
9:02PM November 20, 2023
9 Comments

High-powered weapons such as .50 calibre sniper rifles are legal in Australia despite some states banning them on the basis they are too dangerous and arguing there is no legitimate need for them.

The inconsistency between the states is revealed as the push to establish a national firearms register stalls due to a funding dispute between the smaller ­jurisdictions and Canberra, and the refusal by all states and territories to harmonise their gun laws.

Western Australia recently banned .50 calibre rifles after requests from state police concerned about the safety of officers.

But the lack of a uniform ­national position on the high-powered guns underscores the failure of almost 30 years of negotiations between the states and territories to agree on firearm laws and classifications.

The sniper or assault-style BMG rifles can shoot accurately for hundreds of metres and were originally designed to target tanks and aircraft in World War I.

The Australian’s Target on Guns investigation this week ­revealed an effective national firearms register still did not exist, nearly one year after two police officers and a good Samaritan were murdered by domestic terrorists at Wieambilla in southern Queensland last December. |

A real-time national weapons database has been costed at about $200m, and would take four years to be operational from the time it was agreed.

The Wieambilla shootings highlighted the poor communication and confusion that exists between the states when it comes to classification, storage and licensing of firearms.

Both the federal Liberals and Nationals urged the Albanese government to settle the funding dispute and deliver the national firearm register urgently.

Nationals leader David Littleproud said a national register that shared gun ownership information between state police forces would protect officers.

“It’s a simple proposition that should not have to take this long to establish and protect our law ­enforcement officers,” Mr Littleproud said.

Anybody tell me why civilians need 50 Cal snipers rifles, in the first place?

calli
calli
November 20, 2023 11:31 pm

Thanks, C.L.

We visited Greig’s house in Bergen the other day. Nice little wooden structure, modest and cozy. Such a difference to today’s celebrities. And Greig was a celebrity of tremendous value. CD duly bought from the attached museum shop for later enjoyment.

Sure, I took photos of the house and it’s magnificent Steinway sitting in the living room. But more photos of the frosty fallen beech leaves carpeting the long driveway, and a cluster of red berries, droplets of water pearling on their glossy skins in the bordering hedge. And the thick, emerald overcoat of velvety moss covering the tree trunks, the only green amongst the brown, frost burned fields.

Funny what plants survive the winter and which ones succumb.

Entropy
Entropy
November 20, 2023 11:38 pm

I would have thought vermin reduction would be an eligible use for a sniper rifle.
Crows especially.

calli
calli
November 20, 2023 11:39 pm

Bother

its

Apostrophes breed in cold weather. Who knew? I’m sure to add more when we get to Finland. The place we’re heading to is minus 15 today. 🙂

Salvatore, Iron Publican
November 20, 2023 11:43 pm

Anybody tell me why civilians need 50 Cal snipers rifles, in the first place?

Because they want one, & it should be their bloody right to own & use one, & how the hell else are they supposed to keep the govt scared of the populace?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
November 20, 2023 11:43 pm

Plinking crows with a .50 cal, love it 🙂

JC
JC
November 20, 2023 11:49 pm

how the hell else are they supposed to keep the govt scared of the populace?

Including bank managers?

Gabor
Gabor
November 20, 2023 11:51 pm

E Grieg’s music is sublime, one of the best romantic composer.
My opinion of only course.

Gabor
Gabor
November 20, 2023 11:53 pm

“My opinion of only course.”

Rare occasion I correct.
My opinion only, of course.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 20, 2023 11:55 pm

Magnificent Norwegian music.
It’s stunning that the fjord folk are still composing and performing new gems- extraordinary discipline and interplay from this Kvelertak, Stavanger.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 21, 2023 12:28 am

First handful of lambs- ave carcass weight 24kg- ave price $110 more or less.
Very, very relieved to still be above three figures. Plenty have gone for $80- $90.
Only 3000 to still send off…

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 21, 2023 12:42 am

There’s an extraordinary amount of Merc coupes for sale at the moment.
Like, more than just the pre-Christmas fundraising bump.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 21, 2023 12:57 am

Well, it’s been an hour posting to myself.
How embarrassment.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 21, 2023 1:02 am

Unless you’re all having you minds blown, discovering Kvelertak.
Band of the century.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 21, 2023 1:20 am

My mutt is under the microscope-
she has a lot of the symptoms of a vitamin B12 deficiency. So I’m going to slap a bit of vegemite into her diet, see if that makes a difference.
She’s deliriously happy, active, playful, athletic- but very skinny. And carrying a lot of injuries which she hasn’t healed from like she should have. If she could put some muscle on, she’ll be magnificent.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 21, 2023 1:49 am

…seriously, is anything amiss in New South China?
Has Strap-on and his all-subject dribble succeeded in fomenting a virtual mass self-smiting?
Ah well.
Thanks in advance, Tom.

calli
calli
November 21, 2023 2:00 am
Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
November 21, 2023 2:07 am

Some Bocelli for bedtime! Thanks Calli.

Mark Bolton
November 21, 2023 2:26 am

Ever heard the expression “two bob snobs” yeah so have we all , when dealing with the extremely wealthy they come in two flavors those that a “rolling in it” by legitimate means and those slightly otherwise…in either case… the only way they can maintain that stance is by being likeable .. by being companionable … the “slightly otherwise ” crew even more so ..
but either way they ..do hey who the bleep are you ? .. Your glass full ? Better always be .. most Welcome … how the bleep did I ever get to be so well off? Never mind you are my guest and can share in the wonderment … none of those folks were stupid or snotty ..hey what the bleep what the bleeping bleep? Mate Bleeped if I know … how about look to the sky .. 30 seconds later … Yeah mate you are right .. .. and I would Pick up an AK ..

But not for you swine ..

Mark Bolton
November 21, 2023 2:28 am

It is called Noblesse oblige …

Mark Bolton
November 21, 2023 2:38 am

Also ..”the King must sleep”

Mark Bolton
November 21, 2023 2:48 am

Just regular folk

Mark Bolton
November 21, 2023 2:54 am

Maybe the bloke wouldn’t give me the steam off his shit outside his “swell
Party ” but would any of you ? People dont like to be kicked in the teeth ..

calli
calli
November 21, 2023 2:57 am

I have come to the conclusion that Matthew Amroliwala has the most punchable face in the history of news presentation.

His affectations are legion. Start with the tie-less shirt, shades of Nehru. The “knowledgable” smirk and incapability of allowing an interviewee (who is usually a far more important person in current affairs than he is) to finish a sentence he imagines he doesn’t agree with. Even though he hasn’t had the courtesy to hear it to the end.

Then, the most insufferable…the use of glasses. On…off. Looking over them like a librarian. Disapproval, waving them around. Popping them back on again. Reminds me of glamour shots of European designers and architects of unsittable chairs and unliveable houses. Gosh he loves himself.

JC
JC
November 21, 2023 3:41 am

lol

@The_Real_Fly
Reconnecting with the Church

I was at church today for the fourth consecutive week after having a sojourn of sorts from organized religion for many years. I grew up being Catholic, switched to Episcopalian later on, and then went through a long period being agnostic/atheist. I am back to Catholicism — because all other forms of Christinaity are inferior frauds, built upon houses of lies.

Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 4:08 am
Johnny Rotten
November 21, 2023 4:23 am

Some clever toons there. Thanks Tom.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 4:46 am

All I saw was one table with a collection of AKs smaller than that of the average Texan

Repeating twitter memes, every single time.
An RPG on every table
A murdered hostage in every garden.
croons ‘im not normal’Monty.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 4:54 am

And don’t forget a Thai hostage has given birth while in captivity.
IDF gets 28 babies to Egypt, 3 stay behind, 2 for family reasons, one because parents can’t be found

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 4:55 am
rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 4:59 am
rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 5:05 am
Johnny Rotten
November 21, 2023 5:06 am

‘But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ said Alice. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the cat. ‘We’re all mad here.’

– Lewis Carroll

Johnny Rotten
November 21, 2023 5:13 am

JC
Nov 21, 2023 4:42 AM

Junior Cretin just after reading another JR post –

comment image

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 21, 2023 5:15 am

@satyanadella
We remain committed to our partnership with OpenAI and have confidence in our product roadmap,

From zipster overnight.
Bizarre scenario where the biggest shareholder ends up with the key staff working for them, who are anti de-cel.
Their (Microsoft) multi-billion investment is now 100% de-cel, whilst they are undertaking a monster cap raise & sell down, which wasn’t what those who are cutting cheques committed to.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 21, 2023 5:33 am

Marc Andreessen amplified the term “de-cel” and he said he got it from Katherine Boyle one of his team.
She gave this speech over the weekend in the US.

https://x.com/MikeSlagh/status/1726401013819584537?s=20

Starts at 2mins 46.
It’s 2023 & one of the world’s biggest VC firms key people gives a speech that is more America first than most of the America First candidates.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 21, 2023 5:33 am

m0nty

Nov 20, 2023 10:21 PM

The reports are everywhere.

So are flies.

All I saw was one table with a collection of AKs smaller than that of the average Texan. 

What is the acceptable benchmark for the number of weapons which should be kept in a hospital?

Jorge
Jorge
November 21, 2023 5:37 am

Some suggestions in online commentary that RAN divers trying to tap into Chinese comms cables and driven off.

Have seen no maps of where incident occurred but references to S China Sea and international waters.

Very belligerent Chinese response to Albo’s protest.

He’s walking on eggshells now. One slip and the ‘Ich bin ein Beijinger’ triumph could turn into ‘Ich bin ein fish finger’.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 21, 2023 5:46 am

Have seen no maps of where incident occurred but references to S China Sea and international waters.

Where it happened is key.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 21, 2023 5:50 am

If Media Matters applied the same methods on every other social media platform, they’d get a similar outcome.
But Media Matters only targeted twitter/x because it is not adhering to the coercive control from the US security state.
Which is illegal.

Joe Benarroch
@benarroch_joe

Media Matters created 3 accounts and followed 30 accounts similar to the ones in the article. They then constantly refreshed the timeline of posts (13X the number of ads served to this user as opposed to the median.) 50 impressions served agains the the content in the article, out of 5.5B served the whole day,
points to the fact of how efficiently our model avoids content for advertisers. Data wins over allegations.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 6:01 am
Figures
Figures
November 21, 2023 6:03 am

Well done to Milei. I just hope he doesn’t go soft.

Put out a referendum to ban self-described communists from owning any property. Imagine the laughs to be had as communists actually try to persuade people how wonderful property rights are.

Every day find a new way of humiliating leftists.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 6:19 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
November 21, 2023 6:20 am

Chamath Palihapitiya
@chamath

AGI is always better off coming from a startup. Little to lose, everything to gain so we see AGI in its purest (albeit most dangerous?) form.

AGI coming from Big Tech will be so conditionaled, T&C’ed and gated as to be much less than that from a risk seeking company.

The former’s path are led by engineering. The latter’s path will be lead by lawyers. And the bigger the market cap and cash on balance sheet, the more lawyers.

This is can be applied in so many places.
It’s what Peter Thiel says, be the rebel alliance, don’t be the empire.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 6:55 am

Can’t win.

X accused of failing to remove hate speech amid Israel-Hamas war (17 Nov)

Musk Takes Heat For Banning Palestinian ‘River To The Sea’ Slogan On X (21 Nov)

The Left wants to keep their hate speech, and ban righty hate speech, which is defined as anything a righty says, however innocuous.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 7:04 am

Israel allows a number of premature babies to be taken to Egypt, meanwhile there is nothing, silence about the Jewish babies kidnapped into Gaza.

Where are they? Why aren’t they released? Oh I forgot, according to one poster here, those Jewish babies are just “flies”.

Tom
Tom
November 21, 2023 7:11 am

Take Two: no cartoons tomorrow morning as I am off to hospital today for scheduled maintenance (for the technically minded, an angioplasty – repair of the main artery from the heart to prevent a future life-threatening rupture, now routine and performed with the patient under sedation instead of a general anaesthetic).

If all goes to plan, cartoons will return on Thursday morning.

PS: these surgeons are good and I trust them.

calli
calli
November 21, 2023 7:12 am

All the best Tom.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 7:15 am

In 2023, the Nazi here compares us Jews to flies.

That is not what I said at all, Cranky. Don’t make stuff up.

shatterzzz
November 21, 2023 7:15 am

Seems ROBODEBT clients weren’t the only victim of the Sludge incompetence ..! How did such a nonentity get on the “gravy train” and a seat in 1st class .. FFS!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-20/alan-tudge-gives-evidence-at-foreign-interference-trial/103126608

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 21, 2023 7:19 am

Glad to hear the surgeons have good form Tom. Good luck.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 7:26 am

Good luck. Tom.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 7:27 am

I repeat, last nigh the Nazi here compared Jews to flies.

He is simply an abomination. A complete lowlife.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 7:27 am

All the best Tom, take care.

Vicki
Vicki
November 21, 2023 7:27 am

All the best, Tom.

P
P
November 21, 2023 7:28 am

THE TRIALS OF PÄIVI RÄSÄNEN
by Sean Nelson
11 . 20 . 23

Blessed is the man who perseveres in the trial,” declares the Epistle of James. Finnish Member of Parliament Päivi Räsänen should count herself doubly blessed this week. She has now persevered through two trials over more than four years of legal troubles brought on merely for expressing her Christian faith. Following both trials, she has not only been acquitted, but also has been a shining example of a modern Christian life fearlessly lived.

On Tuesday, a Finnish Court of Appeal unanimously found MP Räsänen not guilty under Finland’s “hate speech” laws. If the decision stands—there is still a possibility of appeal to Finland’s Supreme Court—it will represent a bulwark for Christians and all people of good will wishing to live out their faith and contribute to social conversations over contentious issues.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 7:39 am

calli
Nov 20, 2023 11:11 PM
We have just pulled into Bodø. AKA the most boring town in Scandinavia, according to our guide. It is minus 8 out there.

The Beloved, channelling Captain Scot, is venturing forth. I shall remain within.

As long as he isn’t channeling Captain Oates.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 7:41 am

I repeat, last nigh the Nazi here compared Jews to flies.

No he didn’t.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 7:41 am

Anybody tell me why civilians need 50 Cal snipers rifles, in the first place?

Because we can’t give shit leftists like you an inch! Liberty goes forward, dammit!

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 7:50 am

rosie
Nov 21, 2023 5:00 AM
just for Monty, who is worried that hamas don’t have enough ak 47s.

mUttley Merkin had an orgasm each time he viewed that video.

Min
Min
November 21, 2023 7:51 am

Good kuck Tom it is amazing what medicos can do these days

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 7:56 am

On Sunday I went to a local synagogue to hear the testimony of one of those “flies” from Kfar Aza, a kibbutz located near the Gazan border.

It was harrowing testimony. The attack began at approximately 6.30 a.m. on Shabbat morning. There were a number of things that stood out when listening to the survivor speak of the harrowing ordeal.

1. The families and individuals in the kibbutzim had long used technology to communicate and all of them were on various “whats app” groups which they used to communicate with each other prior to the invasion. These various whats app groups were a godsend during the attack, and it helped save lives and something even greater, it helped with morale while men, women and children hid in safe rooms.

2. Many of the Nazi Gazan invaders that day knew exactly where to go, what to target and who to target. It is very clear that many of these invaders had been workers allowed into Israel prior to 7 October. I doubt such licence will even be given again to Gazans, and nor should it. You don’t reward Nazis.

3. The army didn’t arrive until late afternoon*, and by the time this survivor was liberated, it was in the early hours of Sunday morning. Many people were stuck in safe rooms for hours, with little food and fluid. People, including children, were forced to defecate in the rooms, but they knew what was outside was worse, far worse, rape, death, mutilation.

4. Listening in the safe room, along with other individuals of the kibbutz, he heard sporadic gunfire for hours. The survivor could tell the difference between the Nazi guns and the IDF guns. This was where the “whats app” technology was a great help. The survivor was able to communicate with family members, all hiding in various safe rooms. The survivor said what was remarkable was how the children behaved, they remained calm, often calmer than the adults.

5. People fail to understand that the invasion on 7 October was not something impromptu, it was extremely well planned and enacted. It was an invasion, not an incursion, not some minor altercation. The IDF, as they moved south trying to get to the areas, were involved in running battles with Nazis, the penetration was massive, some of the Nazis Gazans got as far as a few miles south of Tel Aviv.

As I sat listening to the testimony, I thought to myself the following, growing up, hearing stories about pogroms, and hearing and reading about what happened during World War II, a time when Jews were routinely hunted down, butchered, raped, slaughtered, murdered, gassed, there was no IDF to save any of them. Between 1939 and 1945, when Jews in countries across Western and Eastern Europe hid in attics, cellars or safe rooms, only to be forced out by Nazis to face certain death, there was no IDF to save them. We had no one. We were hunted like rats, then exterminated like, what was that word the pervert apologist used last night, ah yes, we were exterminated like…..flies. But on 7 October 2023 it was different, an army did arrive to help and to liberate Jews, because hear this, if there had been no army that had arrived at Kfar Aza or any other kibbutz or town, EVERY SINGLE JEW would have been slaughtered, there would have been NO survivors.

This survivor’s kibbutz was liberated by an IDF brigade, and one of those soldiers was the Fauda actor Tsahi HaLevi, who is married to an Israeli journalist, Lucy Aharish.

To end on an uplifting note, Tsahi is an Israeli Jew and Lucy is an Israeli Arab. Here are the two singing to each other…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qILxNEVMJo4&t=2s

Lucy sings in Arabic to Tsahi and Tsahi sings in Hebrew to Lucy. It’s quite beautiful.

The survivor who spoke in synagogue on Sunday remains in a state of shock.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 7:57 am

“No he didn’t.”

Yes he did.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 7:58 am

m0nty
Nov 21, 2023 7:15 AM
In 2023, the Nazi here compares us Jews to flies.

That is not what I said at all, Cranky. Don’t make stuff up.

Oooooooh, the fascist-adjacent Hamarse propagandist who makes stupp up is complaining about supposedly being verballed.

Doncha know, only leftards and fascists (BIRM) are allowed to verbal others.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 21, 2023 7:59 am

Chatter last night about Edvard Grieg.

I remember driving once when Solveig’s Song came on the radio. I did not catch the name at the time unfortunately.

What struck me most was that I could not recall if there was a woman’s voice singing or not. I had been so caught up in it the music that neither voice nor instruments seemed to explain it.

I ended up having to contact the station.

I later went to a theatre performance where the beginning, before the actors came out and the stage was still unlit, a woman sung the song. In the dark and stillness, just that song in that voice.

Amazing.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 8:05 am

Oooooooh, the fascist-adjacent Hamarse propagandist who makes stupp up is complaining about supposedly being verballed.

Doncha know, only leftards and fascists (BIRM) are allowed to verbal others.”

Indeed, and this is the same fascist adjacent/Antifa Hamarse propagandist who insists that women who want to protect and keep private female only spaces such as bathrooms and changerooms for biological women only are literally Nazis.

Chris
Chris
November 21, 2023 8:08 am

Best of luck with the sawbones Tom!

Winston Smith
November 21, 2023 8:10 am

Delta A

Nov 20, 2023 8:23 PM
I won’t call Hamas ‘animals’ because animals are noble creatures. Hamas is Satan incarnate: there is nothing else to be considered.

Correct. The mohammedans cracked open the gates of hell to give us a glimpse of their future for us.

Chris
Chris
November 21, 2023 8:14 am

Thank you for passing on that testimony Cassie. One of our friends we just learned has lost a family member there too.

Min
Min
November 21, 2023 8:16 am

Apologies Tom for Typo this morning woken up in bed with a man at my window No dramas workers arrive early to make good the building . I am in a luxury Retirement apartment with non compliant cladding that caused water ingress and mould from when first opened 15 years ago . Apart from not being built to regulations no sarking behind cladding , no flashing between cladding and balcony , fire Walls missing , exacerbated by incompetent management of maintenance and clueless owners Corporation . We pay huge fees for Long term maintenance . Waterproofing issues on balconies within warranty period and they didn’t sue Builder as they had no idea of government legislation on required insurance even if builders go bankrupt and phoenix.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 8:17 am

You have to make some compassionate allowances for Israel and its protagonists. They are somewhat blinded by grief and trauma, understandably so. It has been a tough run for several thousand years.

When they leverage that trauma to justify visiting the same on their foes, however, that is where it starts getting questionable. I would have hoped that humanity had evolved beyond the concept of an eye for an eye.

A reminder: there is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 8:17 am

Cassie of Sydney
Nov 21, 2023 7:56 AM
On Sunday I went to a local synagogue to hear the testimony of one of those “flies” from Kfar Aza, a kibbutz located near the Gazan border.

It was harrowing testimony. The attack began at approximately 6.30 a.m. on Shabbat morning. There were a number of things that stood out when listening to the survivor speak of the harrowing ordeal.

Cassie

Thank you for this report.

I doubt that the contemptible piece of pond scum mUttley Merkin will respond, but if it does, it will be interesting to read whatever fascist propaganda it offers.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 21, 2023 8:17 am

rosie

Nov 21, 2023 5:53 AM

China’s ridiculous denial over dangerous sonar incident
China has called Australia’s complaint over a dangerous incident between two warships “vague and one-sided”.

Expect Luigi to be wearing his “vague and one-sided” t-shirt today.
How long before he throws the RAN under a bus?

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 8:18 am
132andBush
132andBush
November 21, 2023 8:20 am

That is not what I said at all, Cranky. Don’t make stuff up.

Just STFU.

Sanchos’ question was also one that sprang to mind for me.

How many military weapons does one expect to find in a hospital?

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 8:21 am
Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 8:21 am

I should also add that on Sunday night in synagogue, the rabbi spoke after the survivor’s testimony. Last Friday night this same synagogue had hosted former PM John Howard. On that Friday night, in the shul, John Howard spoke movingly about how ashamed he has been given what’s ensued on our streets since 7 October, and given the tepid response of our governments and politicians.

As the rabbi said on Sunday night, words are great, and whilst we Jews are hearing a lot about the “silent majority”, it’s time for that majority, if it exists”, to find its voice and TO SPEAK UP FOR JEWS, FOR ISRAEL.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 8:22 am

mUttley Merkin

When they leverage that trauma to justify visiting the same on their foes, however, that is where it starts getting questionable.

Translation: “How DARE those Jooooos respond to the murder, rape, desecration and kidnapping of women, children and old men. They should line up quietly at the gas chambers, and thank their killers for their cruelty”.

Muttley Merkin still avoids reference to the events of 7 October. Pond scum, nothing but pond scum.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 8:23 am

A reminder: there is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing.”

That’s right pervert apologist, and what happened in southern Israel, on Saturday 7 October, was an attempt at genocide and ethnic cleansing.

NOW F*CK OFF. YOU HAVE ZERO MORALITY.

Figures
Figures
November 21, 2023 8:23 am

I would have hoped that humanity had evolved beyond the concept of an eye for an eye.

Oh look. The vile animal that thinks 30 years in prison for J6 protesters is too short now suddenly decides that Hamas rapists should be given a second chance.

You don’t believe in forgiveness, you simply believe that anybody on your side should be able to act out their disgusting crimes with impunity.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 21, 2023 8:24 am

A reminder: there is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing

Well, let’s hear you denounce ‘from the river to the sea’ then.

Megan
Megan
November 21, 2023 8:25 am

Best wishes for tomorrow, Tom, and a fast return to rude health.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 8:28 am

what happened in southern Israel, on Saturday 7 October, was an attempt at genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Those terrorists deserve to be tried and convicted. It is a criminal matter.

October 7 does not morally justify turning Gaza into rubble. This is not hard to explain or understand. It is quite a simple concept. There is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 8:29 am

Knuckle Dragger
Nov 21, 2023 8:24 AM
A reminder: there is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing

Well, let’s hear you denounce ‘from the river to the sea’ then.

mUttley Merkin might make a token response, but he will be lying.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 8:30 am

If idf helicopters hadn’t protected the border from the baying hordes invading Israel on 7 October the casualties would have been much worse.
A pity they weren’t there at 6am.

Chris
Chris
November 21, 2023 8:33 am

I would have hoped that humanity had evolved

Monty, proportionate vengeance (eye for an eye) is a limit of restorative justice when the contenders are both subject to law. What we have now is active war against an enemy whose crimes have shown no limit. The evolved response is what Israel is doing; the unlimited evil is what you and international leftism are backing.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 8:33 am

There is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing.

Stop lying.
There is no genocide or ethnic cleansing happening in Gaza.
Unless hamas is now a race.
Israel is supplying gaza with water food fuel and medical supplies.
Even though those fuel supplies are allowing hamas to increase rocket attacks into Israel.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 21, 2023 8:34 am

m0nty
Nov 21, 2023 8:28 AM
what happened in southern Israel, on Saturday 7 October, was an attempt at genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Those terrorists deserve to be tried and convicted. It is a criminal matter.

Full of fake “concern”, mUttley Merkin offers a “solution” that he knows can never be implemented.

Armed representatives of a hostile power crossed an international border and murdered, raped, desecrated and kidnapped children, women and old men. They committed BOTH an act of war and a series of war crimes. The individuals, if they can be identified and captured, should be tried for their war crimes, but the authority that authorised and committed the act of war is still liable for the response to that act.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 8:34 am

Gaza deserves to be raised to the ground, but Israel won’t do that.

As for this cordial statement from our resident Nazi…

Those terrorists deserve to be tried and convicted. It is a criminal matter.

Nope, not “criminal”……they are war crimes.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 8:35 am

Snap BJ and Rosie.

bespoke
bespoke
November 21, 2023 8:35 am

I would have hoped that humanity had evolved beyond the concept of an eye for an eye.

It has not evan remotely come close to that, m0nty.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 8:38 am

“a criminal matter”.

Organised by the group/government which runs the “state”.

I wonder what if the english language has a word for a state attacking another state other than “assault”…

A reminder: there is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9R7pfLxaSU

Figures
Figures
November 21, 2023 8:42 am

Israel is far less “ethnically cleansed” than many other countries. Why don’t you protest against Japan’s “atrocities”?

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 8:42 am

The IDF are walking around with body cams and are allowing sick children to be sent to Egypt.

In no way is this a “genocide”. Nor is shutting down Nahoul and Farfour. Nor is destroying militia caches and rat lines under essential services.

Israel should in a retaliatory manner, conquer any state or quasi state that threatens its security.

The residents of such a state ought to be compensated and asked to leave or become Israelis.

Start with Gaza. The continuing existence of Palestine is then up to the West Bank Palestinians.

Although I would fear the eventual conquest of all of Palestine, Southern Lebanon and the Golan Heights would be necessary, it would create a dynamic disincentive to anyone threatening Israeli security.

If Israel were to act in such a manner only ever as a retaliatory response, they would have an unquestionable moral and legal justification to do so.

Of course, the Iranian regime ought to be punished too for practical and moral reasons. Iranian military and regime assets ought to be deprecated as matters of marque and reprisal.

Israel could offer a settlement – give us Hebron and we will give you the Negev and give you back Gaza and we put all of Jerusalem under a UN mandate. I have a feeling this “river to the sea” proposal would be rejected out of hand. You only have to see the fanatics on MEMRI TV talk about Israel.

Hence, Israel needs to slowly assert its security above all else, but never being the aggressor. The pragmatists in Arab states will deal with an Israel that asserts itself.

Then again, shit leftists like m0nty will accept whatever narrative their betters script for them – if Wong came out today as an Israeli supremacist, then the Levant would have to be conquered.

It’s really that simple. Free shit and the party line.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 21, 2023 8:43 am

Those terrorists deserve to be tried and convicted. It is a criminal matter.

And who do you propose conducts these trials?
Please don’t use words like “neutral” or “Brussels” in your answers.
I am OK with in-absentia post-mortem trials when Ham-Arse is sorted.

October 7 does not morally justify turning Gaza into rubble. 

And what justified October 7?

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 8:44 am

Of course too, Israel ought to prosecute as many murderers and rapists as they can after the atrocities of 7/10, in Israeli civilian courts: Hamas and other Palis literally filmed and uploaded their crimes to social media, let alone the sick trail of genetic evidence left behind.

132andBush
132andBush
November 21, 2023 8:46 am

A reminder: there is never any justification for genocide or ethnic cleansing.

Bloody hell you are a disgusting POS.

By equating the IDF no doubt losing many soldiers in trying to minimise civilian casualties, to the psychotic and planned actions of hamas (filmed by themselves for everyone to see) you quite deliberately seek to delegitimise the meaning of the word “genocide”. And by extension a real genocide which occurred from 1939-1945 of the Jewish people in Europe.
Like calling everyone a “Nazi”
Like calling everything “rape”.
The word loses all meaning.
Israel would have the capability to flatten Gaza to dust.
If it’s a “genocide” why is the “Palestinian” population increasing?

It’s the same old oppressor/oppressed matrix with you isn’t it?
Jews are successful and live prosperously therefor they must be an oppressor.

You’d love the Jews if they were failures, of that I’m sure.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 8:47 am

The evolved response is what Israel is doing; the unlimited evil is what you and international leftism are backing.

Invoking good versus evil tropes is not helpful or constructive. Last time that happened was Dubbya, and you lot don’t tend to eulogise those times around here any more.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 8:47 am

October 7 does not morally justify turning Gaza into rubble.

Yes it does Monty. The Knesset formally declared war on Gaza 81 years and 10 months after the US declared war on Japan for a similar sneak attack.

That war ended with most Japanese cities as…what did you call it again?…rubble.

Japan could have ended the war at any time by surrendering unconditionally. Gaza can end the present war at any time by surrendering unconditionally.

If they don’t they’ll get the same treatment meted out to Germany and Japan. Deservedly. Fortunately for Gaza they cannot be nuked since it is too close to Israel to risk doing it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 21, 2023 8:47 am

I see Bolt-on has finally run out of fuel for the BBQ.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 8:50 am

Japan could have ended the war at any time by surrendering unconditionally. Gaza can end the present war at any time by surrendering unconditionally.

Boom. Exactly correct.

Now they are cowering in a foxhole cum rat line under a hospital, they are lobbying for peace but refuse to surrender.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 21, 2023 8:50 am

deserve to be tried and convicted

Rumpole of the Hilali.

Figures
Figures
November 21, 2023 8:51 am

Invoking good versus evil tropes is not helpful or constructive

So you don’t think Nazis are evil.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 8:51 am

ABCcess finally noticing the big grey pachyderm taking up most of the room.

Only a decade after most people here.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-21/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-immigration-rents-inflation/103128424

Our immigration intake, meanwhile, is running at record levels with up to 600,000 arrivals expected this calendar year. If we continued at that rate for four years, there’d be enough people to fill a city the size of Brisbane.

And here’s another little snippet highlighted by the most recent inflation data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics: Rents now are growing at their fastest pace in 14 years and are a key factor driving our inflation.
….
For decades, until COVID hit, we used to boast about being the miracle economy. No recession in 30 years! Technically, it was true. Our GDP climbed each and every year. But it was off the back of one of the biggest immigration programs in the developed world. Adding more people adds to the size of your economy.

When the September-quarter GDP figures lob, they’re likely to show that without immigration, the economy would already be in recession.

To work a ponzi scheme needs people to not know they are entering the scheme until they are invested in it.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 8:52 am

Israel should in a retaliatory manner, conquer any state or quasi state that threatens its security.

I am so old, I remember a few short months ago when you lot were all about Trumpian isolationism. I guess that has gone by the way side. Fire up the Imperial March from Star Wars, let’s invade another country. Sheesh.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 8:52 am

Invoking good versus evil tropes is not helpful or constructive. “

Written by the master of tropes, who can forget his tropes about Pell, Porter, Kellie-Jay and others?

You see, here’s the clincher with this lowlife, he doesn’t mind tropes when he uses them, or when others on the left use them, such as ‘rock spider”, a trope he’s never ever retracted about an innocent man.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 8:53 am

Trump wasn’t an isolationist, moron.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 21, 2023 8:55 am

Monty is so old he’s forgotten the Abraham Accords.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 8:56 am

I am so old, I remember a few short months ago when you lot were all about Trumpian isolationism. I guess that has gone by the way side. Fire up the Imperial March from Star Wars, let’s invade another country. Sheesh.

Israel got invaded. Maybe you don’t understand this. Maybe you don’t understand how chronological time works.

What I said was:

Israel should in a retaliatory manner, conquer any state or quasi state that threatens its security.

Which by definition can never be imperialist. It is anti Imperialist.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 8:57 am

Trump wasn’t an isolationist, moron.

Oh dear. He wants to withdraw the US from NATO! Be at least a little connected to reality, Cranky.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 8:58 am

Which by definition can never be imperialist. It is anti Imperialist.

Conquering nations for anti-imperialism!!

Listen to yourself, Dot.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 8:58 am

It’s like someone invited Owen Jones to post at the Cat.

Winston Smith
November 21, 2023 8:59 am

calli

Nov 21, 2023 2:57 AM
I have come to the conclusion that Matthew Amroliwala has the most punchable face in the history of news presentation.

Not having been exposed to said gentleman, because no TV, I did an image search.
Which of the below suits him best?
.1 Poseur
.2 Wanker
.3 Wanking poseur
.4 Posing wanker
.5 A wanker who poses
.6 A poseur who wanks…
You may want to add more descriptors – just for the novelty factor.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 8:59 am

Last time that happened was Dubbya

I think you will find its more likely to have been when Isis was taking over large chunks of Syria, when most people were grudgingly backing Assad over the head hackers.

Hows Isis going in Syria now, still looking like the new big thing?

P
P
November 21, 2023 9:00 am

Media, lies and videotape
Melanie Phillips – Nov 21, 2023

Western journalists will never reset the lethal prism through which they refract the Palestinian war against the Jews

It seems quite obvious now that there is simply no evidence that the Israelis can ever bring forward of the perfidy, lies and barbarism of the Palestinians that the western media will ever allow to reset the lethal prism through which they refract the Palestinian war against the Jews.

Cassie of Sydney
November 21, 2023 9:00 am

Donald Trump wanted countries in NATO to pay their fair share, which is fair enough.

I know the pervert apologist is detached from reality. It’s sad.

132andBush
132andBush
November 21, 2023 9:01 am

Those terrorists deserve to be tried and convicted. It is a criminal matter.

Horseshit!
Another, so called, state violates your borders and slaughters 1,200+ of your civilians and takes a couple of hundred back home as hostages and you think it’s a criminal matter?

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 21, 2023 9:03 am

Is our friend mourning the loss of the Sudentenland?

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 9:04 am

Conquering nations for anti-imperialism!!

Listen to yourself, Dot.

No. You listen.

Country A threatens country B for decades, publicly demanding its destruction, to be incorporated into a larger political and religious community A belongs to (as a pariah though).

Country A invades country B for no reason other than spite. A war starts. Country B starts winning and country A refuses to surrender, but begs for peace.

Country B wins and annexes Country A, destroying their government. The Aites are given B citizenship or subsidised to leave if they cannot accept the outcome.

If you think this is Imperialist you’re insane. Redefining words and missing out on important context isn’t clever, it is moronic and deceptive.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 9:05 am

Horseshit!
Another, so called, state violates your borders and slaughters 1,200+ of your civilians and takes a couple of hundred back home as hostages and you think it’s a criminal matter?

Yes, but when the war is over.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 9:08 am

Hamas isn’t a country, Dot.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 9:11 am

Post shows what appears to be an uninjured Israeli child being delivered to shifa hospital.
One hamas apologist immediately points out the vehicle has Israeli number plates so it couldn’t be a kidnapped child.
Because Israelis always take their children to shifa emergency.

interesting debate here

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 9:11 am

Hamas isn’t a country, Dot.

Then it is even less Imperialist than you think and the Hamas fighters have no legal protection and can be treated as francs-tireurs.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 21, 2023 9:11 am

Proof, if any is needed, giving young ladies the vote was the single worst move evah!!
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/nov/20/palestine-quran-islam-americans-tiktok

The more Rice read, the more the text’s contents aligned with her own core belief system. She found the Qur’an to be anti-consumerist, anti-oppressive and feminist. Within a month, Rice took the shahada, Islam’s official profession of faith, bought hijabs to wear, and became a Muslim.

So the religion that stipulates nearly every action you take throughout the day and polices womens every move is “feminist”… riiiight.

After 9/11, the Qur’an became an instant bestseller, though at the time many Americans purchased it to confirm biases they held about Islam being an inherently violent religion. “The difference is that in this moment, people are not turning to the Qur’an to understand the October 7 attack by Hamas,” Grewal said. “They are turning to the Qur’an to understand the incredible resilience, faith, moral strength and character they see in Muslim Palestinians.”

Nothing says “moral strength and character” like chucking kids in ovens!
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In the Qur’an, men and women are equals in the eyes of God, and Rice and other TikTok converts say their interpretations of the text back up their feminist principles. It also engages with scientific explanations for creation, with verses in the Qur’an covering the big bang and other theories.

Warning, steep learning curve ahead.

Along the way, Chan-Malik converted to Islam. She’s now an associate professor at Rutgers University whose research focuses on the history of Islam and Islamophobia in the US
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Grewal, the Yale professor

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Educating women might have been an error as well.
Their wandering uterus’ seem to make them suckers for every fad going.

alwaysright
alwaysright
November 21, 2023 9:14 am

Methinks we should all chip in and provide tubby and dot with airfares to Gaza.
Accommodation will be provided.

This might help remove the fuzziness and allow them focus on the issues at hand.

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 9:14 am

Pretending it’s not a war when hamas continue to fire rockets at Israeli civilian targets including a hospital on a daily basis, and have made at least two further attempts to attack Israel, on the 9th by land, then in late October by sea.
It’s a war, even if hamas are losing.

Zatara
Zatara
November 21, 2023 9:15 am

It is a criminal matter.

Ah, the ‘just some naughty boys’ deflection.

No. It was an attack by the uniformed personnel of a foreign nation on Israel, also known as an act of war.

Further, that foreign nation continues to hold Israeli citizens hostage, an ongoing act of war that the left never wants to talk about when they are looking for victims to blame on Israel.

m0nty
m0nty
November 21, 2023 9:16 am

Then it is even less Imperialist than you think and the Hamas fighters have no legal protection and can be treated as francs-tireurs.

I don’t particularly give a tinker’s how Hamas fighters are treated. They have no moral backing for their terrorism. Classify them as footy franks for all I care.

Palestinian civilians, on the other hand, they don’t deserve to be ethnically cleansed.

Dot
Dot
November 21, 2023 9:16 am

I’m perplexed as to why I am being put in the same category as m0nty.

alwaysright
alwaysright
November 21, 2023 9:16 am

Melanie Phillips can write!

rosie
rosie
November 21, 2023 9:17 am

Whenever I search Gaza on google it always tells me I can get there in 22h 10 minutes by plane.
So can be done.

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