Open Thread – Weekend 21 Aug 2021


The Blind Leading the Blind, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1568

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feelthebern
feelthebern
August 22, 2021 7:09 am

Capitol Building.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 22, 2021 7:49 am

So tomorrow a TV series will be filming in Ashfield.
People locked up.
But a TV series continues.
What a disgrace.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 7:51 am

Good morning all, especially tradie Calli.

I used to start work at 7 then it was dash around doing stuff before opening the shop at 10.
But after so many months of lockdown it’s hard to get motivated.

The latest Victorian decree that only essential workers can use daycare might set a cat among some pigeons.

Still have to pay top dollar and then make alternative arrangements to have preschoolers looked after ?

It’s stupid and potentially dangerous.

What’s the tipping point.

Cassie of Sydney
August 22, 2021 7:52 am

“luciferian media reportage”

Thanks Gab. I think that’s the best description. For the first time in my life I can’t bring myself to even look at the front pages of the Oz and the Daily Telegraph….because I feel this very unhealthy combination of enormous rage and sickness. It’s akin to reading Pravda and Izvestia in 1979..in fact I reckon those media outlets would have hosted better journalists. Last night I was devising various punishments I’d like to see dispensed to politicians, public servants and MSM…..and I’d reserve the most ghastly for the MSM scum…..I’d like to watch journalists, one by one, being thrown into a pit full of salt water crocodiles

Cassie of Sydney
August 22, 2021 7:56 am

“luciferian media reportage”

Thanks Gab. I think that’s the best description. For the first time in my life I can’t bring myself to even look at the front pages of the Oz and the Daily Telegraph….because I feel this very unhealthy combination of enormous rage and sickness. It’s akin to reading Pravda and Izvestia in 1979..in fact I reckon those media outlets would have hosted better journalists. Last night I was devising various punishments I’d like to see dispensed to politicians, public servants and MSM…..and I’d reserve the most ghastly for the MSM scum…..I’d like to watch journalists, one by one, being thrown into a pit full of salt water crocodiles.

Cassie of Sydney
August 22, 2021 7:56 am

Test.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 8:07 am

Flash cat not so flash this morning.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 8:09 am
Cassie of Sydney
August 22, 2021 8:10 am

Apologies about comment being posted twice.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 8:14 am

feelthebern says:
August 22, 2021 at 7:49 am
So tomorrow a TV series will be filming in Ashfield.
People locked up.
But a TV series continues.
What a disgrace.

Should be fine provided they social distance, wear masks and don’t “gather in groups”.

That’s what they’ll be doing or they’ll get a dose of Health Bullets.

For sure.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 8:15 am
rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 8:18 am

Is there a glimmer here that Gladys is trying to fight her way out of the covid paperbag?

Seems more hopeful that the toerag Dan tactics.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 8:19 am

What flashcat needs is more Rothschild’s.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 8:21 am

Working fine for me. Must have dazzled it with the patent leather workboots and silver-tip collar on the hi-viz.

Standards must be maintained.

TeeHee 🙂

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 8:34 am

Got a couple of gateway errors earlier.
A couple of weeks ago someone at dash described the flash defectors as, paraphrasing, ‘ladies and bicycle seat sniffers’

Seems like more and more are happy to be counted in that number.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 22, 2021 8:38 am

Headline in the paywalled Oz on-line.
“Police forced to use new weapon on bleakest day…….”.
FORCED – ffs!

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 8:41 am

Contemplating an email to my ‘I had sex in my office because who doesn’t?’ state mp about the pelletting of protestors.

This sort of response should be for rioters and looters.
Was there even a broken window?

Cassie of Sydney
August 22, 2021 8:41 am

““Police forced to use new weapon on bleakest day…….”.”

Yep…confirmed…..there was more accurate journalism in Pravda and Izvestia.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 8:52 am

Shirley you don’t take that seriously, rosie? Robust, off the cuff talk never hurt anyone.

However…some of the shape-shifters have been hard at work over there. Matrix has an excellent post on the subject.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 22, 2021 8:58 am

Cops had this stuff for 3 years and used yesterday for the first time despite other ugly protests from left wingers or violence from the usual Johnny com lately groups in the high rise slums. We know the OC tipped rounds were used yesterday but were the 40mm baton rounds or the stinger grenades? Some descriptions sound like it.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-police-reveal-confronting-new-riot-gear-20180323-p4z5wt.html

All I got say is that the cops have just upped the anti. Next protest will have some people with improvised body armour and ready to give violence back. IMO needless and stupid for something that could be achieved with batons and OC spray.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 22, 2021 8:59 am

Ante not anti. Damn spell check

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 9:04 am

Take what seriously calli?

There’s not much worth taking seriously at the dash anymore.

I’ve now written to my local member. Shared the copy with family who I hope will write letters of their own.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 9:11 am

Take what seriously calli?

There’s not much worth taking seriously at the dash anymore.

The bike seats and ladies comment.

On the other, something for everyone on the interwebs.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 22, 2021 9:13 am

So where are our ubiquitous “human rights” organisations and their loud protests about “Police brutality”? Silent and invisible. No Julian Burnside, no Civil Liberties Victoria, or whatever their current title might be, no-one and nothing.

If anyone had not previously worked out that they were just fronts to advance the cause of a specific political agenda, the scales should now have been peeled from their eyes.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 9:18 am

Nah i didn’t take that seriously.

It was one of the nwordereres.

I just thought it amusing that quite a few of the blokes were happy to become ‘bicycle seat sniffers’ despite that robust condemnation.

There have other castigations hurled, including by people who now post here.

You know, the actual wankers.

Zipster
Zipster
August 22, 2021 9:23 am

The crackdown on dissent is coming
online abuse to be made illegal.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 9:23 am

Shooting at people should be a tipping point for Victorians.

What does our federal government say about this police brutality?

I’ve seen the next morning aftermath of rioting in Paris, walked, well hobbled, past burnout cars and smashed shop fronts in Place de Republique as the police left and the rioting remnants loitered.

No-one got shot with anything.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 22, 2021 9:23 am

Interesting BJ isn’t it. Every time there was a baton charge at ferals from Kennett’s time on the Government & Vic Pol would be hung up with a myriad of civil cases that a lot were settled out of court. You are not the only one think the sound of their silence is deafening…

Worse still Vic Pol were harassing irate motorists for having a go at protesters glued to the pavement not long ago.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 9:32 am

Remember Melbourne protestors sueing over horse dribble?
police outraged

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 9:33 am

Will Kensington legal service fund protestors shot with pellets.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 22, 2021 9:47 am

rosie

In the protestors’ dreams!

rickw
rickw
August 22, 2021 9:48 am

FORCED – ffs!

They didn’t have to drive back to the station and get them, they came with them.

I wonder what else the came with just incase they were “forced”?

rickw
rickw
August 22, 2021 9:51 am

Next protest will have some people with improvised body armour and ready to give violence back.

For the record a fire blanket used as the matting plus epoxy resin works quite well. You need to make a former so you can do the lay up and then compress it while it cures.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 22, 2021 9:54 am

rickwsays:
August 22, 2021 at 9:51 am
Next protest will have some people with improvised body armour and ready to give violence back.

In the good old days, it was often possible to grab the lid of a galvanised garbage bin to use as a shield.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
August 22, 2021 9:57 am

Methinks it’s not a coincidence that ads about shingles are on high rotation.
And on a different matter, trust. (blonde)

rickw
rickw
August 22, 2021 9:58 am

Real Rukshan … Follow him, you won’t regret it;

Already doing it, he’s doing a pretty good job. Has also been subject to police intimidation and harassment which is the mark of a good Australian journalist these days.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 10:02 am

Again. I am in NO WAY offering an absolute defence of VicJack Inc. Rockdoctor, just now:

We know the OC tipped rounds were used yesterday but were the 40mm baton rounds or the stinger grenades? Some descriptions sound like it.

A baton round, much like the ‘rubber bullets’ (a description used by media including The Hun, since removed for inaccuracy, and which was mentioned at length yesterday) will put you off your feet and more than likely hospitalise you. A stinger grenade will certainly do so, and you will realise the difference between the three if one of them hits you.

There are no reports I have seen, and I am more than happy to stand corrected, of protesters being injured or being shunted off to hospital as a result of anything from yesterday. Not from ‘rubber bullets’, OC spray or blunt force injuries. Nothing.

From the link:

The pepper ball gun will be used to fire dye pellets onto the body of offenders so they can be followed and arrested.

Superintendent Tully said the capsicum dust pellet rounds can be fired at an offender to disable them or can be rapid fired into the ground to set up a stinging dust wall to stop crowds from advancing or to separate warring groups.

He said the pepper ball gun and 40-millimetre launcher allowed police to respond to bottle throwers without needing to charge into crowds.

Let me be clear. If the VicJack Inc people were in any way physically capable, outnumbered or not, they would not require this suite of weaponry. In any event, if stinger grenades, ‘flashbangs’ and baton rounds has been used please rest assured that it would be all over every media platform in the country, alongside pictures of protesters in hospital beds. Twitter firestorms, the lot. But it’s not, even with the moral-free sensationalist media we have, which in turn means it didn’t occur.

I am concerned – again – that a legitimate protest movement has been hijacked by splinter group unaligned fuckwits whose only agenda has been to damage as much shit as they can before melting away.

I have spoken of this before. This is a time-honoured tactic, used for decades by people who attach their nuffy wagons to other people’s horses and it devalues the entirely reasonable point of the whole protest. It is exactly the same as the SovCit nuffery that has immeasurably damaged the position of the anti-lockdown, anti-mask anti-economic destruction movement for the last 18 months.

And if you decide to bring young children to an event of this nature, knowing full well there was a distinct possibility that because of these reasons it would end the way it did, you’re either using them as a human shield or monumentally stupid.

Once again, with feeling. NOT an absolute defence of VicJack Inc.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 22, 2021 10:11 am

There are some ghouls out there.
From what I’m watching, there is a level of glee…almost a hope that there will be a public massacre in Kabul so it can be used against the Biden administration.
Really ghoulish stuff.

cohenite
August 22, 2021 10:12 am

Zipstersays:
August 22, 2021 at 9:23 am
The crackdown on dissent is coming
online abuse to be made illegal.

FMD. You’ll need a passport to comment on fucking social media.

areff
areff
August 22, 2021 10:15 am

KD: the footage I saw captured protesters taunting VicPol, daring the riot squad rifleman to shoot. So he did.

You make valid points but that footage is damning.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 22, 2021 10:15 am

And there are people in Australia who are cheering on the COVID numbers in NSW.
It’s amazing how huge parts of the human population has regressed in recent years.
There always was part of the population that couldn’t extract politics out of any subject.
Now I reckon that proportion is around 90% in Australia.

Zipster
Zipster
August 22, 2021 10:16 am
CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
August 22, 2021 10:19 am

rickwsays:
August 22, 2021 at 9:51 am
Next protest will have some people with improvised body armour and ready to give violence back.

Don’t be surprised if the next protest brings cocktails for the Plod.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 10:20 am

I’m hoping a noisy minority.

I remember someone observing

Most people aren’t on twitter.

My takeaway for protesting.

Take a change of clothes in your backpack.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 22, 2021 10:24 am

The TV show filming in NSW staring Isla Fisher, in the middle of a locked down Sydney suburb, would be a great example for the LDP to show their brand spanking new policy of making public all the COVID exemptions from the start of 2020 onwards.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 10:27 am

You make valid points but that footage is damning.

areff, I agree. Not an absolute defence of VicJack Inc.

A cursory scan of one website in the time it took to hist ‘post’ just then and now also reveals a series of pics of dozens of grown adults, all males, running at police lines. Another one shows a six foot four protester launching an MMA-style knee into a cop half his size who’d been isolated from the lines, who wasn’t looking at him and who had nothing in his hands.

Where are the hundreds of reported injuries from 1500 cops with riot gear? Eight jacks in hospital with broken noses, thumbs and concussions.

Either we accept ten-second clip grabs without the before and after footage as gospel, along with still photography, again without the before and after activity, or we don’t.

It confuses me that some of the same people that piss and moan (legitimately, in most cases) about the media warping and twisting to suit their paymasters’ agendas will unconditionally accept the same sensationalist sentiments without question when it suits them.

This is no longer a single issue. There are (and have been from the start) multiple conflicting agendas from a myriad of interested parties at play in this entire covid fiasco, and Joe and Jane Punter are being fed what is considered best by representatives of all of them.

NOT an absolute defence.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 22, 2021 10:28 am

Tell your friends, tell your family, the LDP in NSW will be making all exemptions granted since the beginning of COVID public part of their policy platform.
The person/company.
& the kind of exemption (travel/work/quarantine).

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 10:30 am

Also:

KD: the footage I saw captured protesters taunting VicPol, daring the riot squad rifleman to shoot. So he did.

Yep. Along with the other fuckwit in riot gear yelling ‘come on, pussies’ at the crowd during a lull between contretemps. No self-control, no situational awareness and should have been smacked in the back of the head by a sergeant standing behind him. No excuse.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 10:30 am

You know kd.

They could have sent 150 not in riot gear, stood aside and taken a knee.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 10:35 am

They could have sent 150 not in riot gear, stood aside and taken a knee.

Don’t start me.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 22, 2021 10:44 am

I’ll take your word at the effects of these KD being a professional in that vocation and at the ratbags infiltrating for their own nefarious purposes. They were the ones I meant when referring to improvised body armour and violence.

I only have ever seen a riot at a safe distance in the Indonesian Archipelago. Big staffs and some bean bag rounds used. The non lethal shotty stuff was brutal but so were the riot police. I wouldn’t wish that here. So yesterday they held back the 40mm & stinger stuff and the OC rounds were probably marking people for the snatch squads.

On the media, sorry agree to disagree on one point there. I reckon even if it were used they would paint it differently even if they covered it. Twitter, yeah agree different story.

areff
areff
August 22, 2021 10:44 am

KD: the pity is that the protesters didn’t sit down en masse and accept arrest Gandhi-style.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
August 22, 2021 10:53 am

Don’t wear a red shirt to a demonstration.
When I had riot control training way back when it was always the bloke in the red shirt got shot first.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 10:58 am

areff says:
August 22, 2021 at 10:44 am
KD: the pity is that the protesters didn’t sit down en masse and accept arrest Gandhi-style.

If you scroll back a couple of days, that was exactly my response to Muddy’s complex “Battle of Bywater” tactics.

The processing would take days and reams of paperwork. Meamwhile, people could go to the shops or visit grandma unmolested.

And give nothing “if it bleeds, it leads” to the MSM.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 22, 2021 10:58 am

“Vax the over 50’s and let others decide.”
Helen, I think that was me. It should have been clear that there was never in my mind any element of compulsion re vaxing the over 50’s, merely making the vax readily available for enough time so that all could get vaxed. I’m on record here and at dash-cat of not ever favouring compulsion nor vax passports.

To the fool above who thinks this is a simplistic statement, it is not. I have long been in favour of protecting the vulnerable and having some quarantine but no lockdowns. To the point of tedium and bringing down the fixated wrath of Johanna, I have had to reiterate here I was an epidemiologically-trained (MPH) signatory much earlier this year to The Great Barrington Declaration (in its ‘medical’ catgegory). This is putting my opinion and myself formally open to public challenge in epidemiological support of the breakout epidemiologists who were bravely putting forward this significant piece of protest about lockdowns. In the UK their work is now showing good results against the lockdown forever naysayers. Sadly, we have a few of the latter in Australian politics today.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 10:59 am

Don’t wear a red shirt to a demonstration.
When I had riot control training way back when it was always the bloke in the red shirt got shot first.

We know this from Star Trek. 😀

Bons
August 22, 2021 11:00 am

Campbell’s presentation of the LDP manifesto was impressively done, but I will never vote for them as long as ‘random thoughts’ Leyonhelm has any association with the Party.
Fringe clowns always destroy newly developing political parties regardless of else may be members.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 11:01 am

Very true, areff.

As someone said here yesterday (calli or Cassie, I think), it is extremely difficult to drag 85+kg of dead weight from a roadway. Especially if that dead weight has its arms linked to another dead weight of the same or similar size. Multiplied by hundreds, it’s impossible. It’s not attractive to the fringe mob, though.

People living in Vicco will also be extremely comforted to know that there are considerable sections of the community in perfect sync with Daniel Andrews. These are two such quotes among many that appeared on FB as a reply to a friend of mine in Airport West:

I want to see images of tasered protestors and water cannons turned on mobs.

And:

A part of me really wants the idiots to all get sick with Covid so they know it’s true.

This is what we are dealing with, and it illustrates the earlier point about multiples issues and agendas at play. This will not end well.

Arky
August 22, 2021 11:02 am

Supply chains fucked.
“Half of everything we send out comes back”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOVnHhDldJM

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 11:03 am

Aha!

calli!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 22, 2021 11:03 am

“And give nothing “if it bleeds, it leads” to the MSM.”

Absolutely, Calli. Ghandi knew what he was on about, towards a ferocious and extreme force.

He just offered his neck and took them on. When the mass of the people are behind you then turning the other cheek is a form of sanctimony which perplexes those who would crush you. That, in itself, makes news in all forms of communication, as well as eventually in the mass media.

Arky
August 22, 2021 11:03 am

Play the vid link I posted above.
Understand that the CCP has gone into full on economic war against the USA, and the corporations are either too brain dead to understand how to combat it, or complicit.

Arky
August 22, 2021 11:06 am

“Cascading failure event”.
Exactly right, Uncle Tony’s Garage.

Muddy
Muddy
August 22, 2021 11:06 am

Cassie of Sydney says:
August 22, 2021 at 7:56 am
I’d like to watch journalists, one by one, being thrown into a pit full of salt water crocodiles.

I’m not normally a fan of ancient reptiles, but condemning them to a slow death by food poisoning (or choking on solid gristle) is a bit much.

Bons
August 22, 2021 11:15 am

I had never heard of Diana Sayed until I saw her on Outsiders. That ignorance is a product of never watching the ABC. Wow, she makes the Magpie look vaguely reasonable. Another daughter of immigrants pissing on the honest people who rescued her family and permitted her to be a full time, tax payer funded, ABC promoted hater. Australian Muslim Womens’ Center For Human Rights no less. Said with a straight face no doubt.
In reality, she is not at all that effective. Her xtremist presentation comes across as nothing omore than an act that will only influence the sewer.
We should hope that she keeps going and gets wider publicity – she is a brilliant inspiration for conservative push back.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 22, 2021 11:17 am

Civil disobedience is also the weapon that Gandhi’s sanctimony was flagging. If enough people simply refuse to comply with what you want, you are going to lose.

I think Gladys and The Chant are going to have to realise that it’s endgame now, holding out for vax levels to rise more than anything else now. I will report on the level of local mask wearing around here tomorrow and onwards. I did notice on our walk on Friday a group of middle-eastern looking construction workers all gathered together in a garage with no masks and no social distancing; interestingly many local people here were walking by, none wearing masks either, and no Karens at all took these guys on and there were no disapproving sniffs either. Lockdown Dan too has just received his first big message, responding naturally in his usual brutal style, which may just tip over the hive. The lid is about to blow on these lockdowns I suspect.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 22, 2021 11:23 am

and permitted her to be a full time, tax payer funded, ABC promoted hater

Their ABC is struggling to hide their true colours recently, or at least that is one interpretation you could make from the following story. 🙂

‘Hail, Satan!’ — An Australian broadcaster accidentally ran footage of a satanic ritual during a news segment on police dog welfare (20 Aug, via Instapundit)

An Australian broadcaster accidentally aired a clip of a satanic meeting during its nightly news broadcast, giving viewers an unexpected glimpse into the religious ceremonies of a satanic group based in Queensland.

The clip was broadcast during a nightly news program aired by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, which is also known as ABC TV. It starts with a segment on police dog welfare, showing suit-clad men standing outside a building, but quickly cuts to a visual of three people wearing black and standing beside a brightly lit, upside-down cross.

“Hail, Satan!” one of them loudly proclaims, before the clip cuts out.

ABC TV presenter Yvonne Yong continued with the broadcast after the clip of the satanic ritual aired.

Interestingly Media Watch picked up on this one, which just about has to be a first. What they were trying to do I have no idea, but some producer somewhere is not going get its end-of-year bonus.

Arky
August 22, 2021 11:23 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
August 22, 2021 at 11:17 am
Civil disobedience is also the weapon that Gandhi’s sanctimony was flagging. If enough people simply refuse to comply with what you want, you are going to lose.

..
Axactly correct.
Non- compliance is a far more devastating tool than riots.
Which is why the organisers of these protests want to be careful they don’t play into the dictators hands.
Confronting our dismal police farce might be satisfying, not sure it’s effective.

Muddy
Muddy
August 22, 2021 11:24 am

calli says:
… Muddy’s complex “Battle of Bywater” tactics.

Acknowledged.
The intent, however, was to initiate chatter. Regardless of the outcomes (if such plans were implemented and either succeeded or failed), what if chatter about protest tactics began to trend on social media? My (very amateur) guess is that a good deal of police intelligence would be derived from open sources (the intent and proposed locations for protests, that is). What if their response plans were complicated by the suspicion – based on recent social media chatter – that the protest organisers intended to trial certain kinetic tactics? Would they require greater personnel or equipment resources in that location? Are there other protests planned in other areas, and would they require the same resources?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 11:42 am

What if their response plans were complicated by the suspicion – based on recent social media chatter – that the protest organisers intended to trial certain kinetic tactics? Would they require greater personnel or equipment resources in that location?

Well.

What they should do, and what they have the capability to do, is negate that before it gets near any likely protest site, and well before time. Because, and in direct contrast to Ballababy Lady in The Rat, that is certainly closer to the mark to incitement and conspiracy to commit an offence, which allows them to kick doors in etc etc.

I’m not saying that’s what they would do, but it’s what they should and can do.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 11:43 am

I wasn’t criticising, Muddy. They were the tactics because of one factor, and one factor only.

Ghandi’s passive resistance worked because his “enemy” was still capable of shame. The Englishman on the street might have been quite happy to see rowdy armed rioting Irishmen clobbered, but had a different view of poor, skeletal Indians sitting down and awaiting their fate.

No shame – the lot go to prison. And the next lot. And the lot after that. That tactic has worked before too.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 11:44 am

successful tactics.

Missed a word.

Roger
Roger
August 22, 2021 11:47 am

Pope Francis has made a decisive intervention in Afghanistan debacle:

He has called for “dialogue”.

?

In the 1980s we had Pope JPII, Reagan & Thatcher.

Now we have Francis, Joe and Boris.

Trump’s extraordinary iterregnum may prove to be the West’s moment of terminal lucidity (a.k.a rallying just before death).

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 22, 2021 11:49 am

Sit down and shut up would be the best tactic to use when plod are tooled up to take Tora Bora.
They look foolish and the j’ismists have to work for a story.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 11:53 am

Oh be my guest kd.

The police went for a confrontation when they could have gone to make sure a peaceful demo stayed peaceful.

Roger
Roger
August 22, 2021 11:54 am

Speaking of civil disobebedience, it’s not been widely reported in the West – we have no shortage of our own problems to keep us occupied, after all – but Vladimir Putin has been building detention centres to accommodate the rising number of dissenters to his regime. One veteran politician described it as a return to the old Soviet gulag system.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 12:03 pm

The police went for a confrontation

They went prepared for a confrontation with a violent gaggle of the usual cockheads who turn up to every protest large enough for them to hide in, and they got it. From that component which attached itself, remora-like, to an otherwise extremely righteous and justified protest march.

As they always do.

Where are the injuries, rosie? The injuries to the protestors? The trampled children? Oh.

Because you’ve seen the aftermath of a riot in another, far more violent country does not mean you can comment with authority on whether or not people were shot during it. There is no comparison.

Are you still advocating for the return of the Sharrouf children? The ones holding the severed heads?

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 12:06 pm

Scsnned the front page of the Herald while waiting for my coffee.

Apparently banning coffee and takeaway food was on the Victorian dictatorship table.

One can only assume the backlash from the cabinet was intense.

‘I’ve got a free coffee on my coffee card I was about to use’ cried Martin indignantly.

‘Ill just die if I don’t get my soy latte, extra hot, half a sugar’ shouted Tim.

Dan puts up his hands and with a wry grin says ‘just kidding’

‘Oh Dan you’re such a funster’ they all snorted.

Muddy
Muddy
August 22, 2021 12:12 pm

Knuckles.
I’m perplexed. By tactics, I didn’t mean illegal acts, simply the types of movements (or the opposite, as many are suggesting) I first brought up a few nights ago. Do you mean incitement to gather in public?

Calli.
No offense taken. My suggestion was impractical and complex – I simply wanted to broach the topic and gauge the response. I like to look at issues from differing angles. I’m pleased the conversation is happening.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 12:14 pm

Why are you cross kd?

We all saw the photos at the banana stand in the vic market.

If vicpol had not been there what would have happened, I wonder?

And I hate to disappoint you but who’s left of the Sharrouf kids are home.

Not that poor kid holding the head though, he and his next down brother are dead.

Living with their Aussie grandmother, I hope.

And what do you mean not comment about not shot? I watched the Paris news and read the newspapers. They do tend to mention that kind of thing.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
August 22, 2021 12:15 pm

Does Afghanistan still have a chair of something in UNESCO? If so, does the Taliban inherit it?
I would look it up but I feel unclean having anything at all to do with the UN.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 12:19 pm

Muddy:

By tactics, I didn’t mean illegal acts, simply the types of movements (or the opposite, as many are suggesting) I first brought up a few nights ago. Do you mean incitement to gather in public?

Oh God no. No no, I was referring to the ‘kinetic activity’ you mentioned, in the sense of bringing molotov cocktails and so on to these things.

I misread your intent. Apologies.

Crossie
Crossie
August 22, 2021 12:24 pm

I was horrified to hear Tanya Davies explain on The Outsiders this morning that she was getting messages from families who had to decide which one of them would get vaccinated to earn an income for the family and which one would not so they would be there to look after the kids if anything happened.

What have we become?

No wonder Gladys has kicked this MP out of government, the last thing she needs is someone reminding her that she has no conscience.

duncanm
duncanm
August 22, 2021 12:28 pm

the other option is flash demos.

Random groups of hundreds in a local area.

All be there legally (local LGA/5km/whatever).. then disperse as soon as the rozzers find out.

The escalation in Melbourne is frightening.. but all that will happen is the serious protestors will come prepared (goggles, body armour or thicker clothing, maybe a disposable plastic poncho if they’re going to try to ‘tag’ people with paintballs).. then VicPlod will argue for heavier weapons.

MatrixTransform
August 22, 2021 12:29 pm

What have we become?

the monsters which we fear most

duncanm
duncanm
August 22, 2021 12:30 pm

What if their response plans were complicated by the suspicion – based on recent social media chatter – that the protest organisers intended to trial certain kinetic tactics? Would they require greater personnel or equipment resources in that location?

you park those sorts of response teams / vehicles/ whatever around the corner, ready to deploy if required.

You do not bring them out first.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 12:31 pm

We all saw the photos at the banana stand in the vic market.

As did I. Once again, for the slow, it is not an absolute defence of VicJack Inc.

Going back to the subject at hand, the vision du jour on Skah is now of dozens of very able-bodied blokes walking with furious intent, spaced apart as though trained to do so, and pegging various shit at not just the jacks but shop windows and cars and anything that will break. Faces covered, but not with masks, which is curious for an anti-lockdown protest.

Cop chicks being punched in the face by blokes towering over them. Yes I know they signed up for it, but while we’re being all emotional I though I’d throw that into the mix.

If vicpol had not been there what would have happened, I wonder?

Here’s what. The fuckwits inside the 4000 strong group, having lost their most immediate target would have smashed up anything in sight, which would have been followed by calls of where the jacks were, and why don’t they do something?

Once again. Not an absolute defence of VicJack Inc, and if you’d paid attention over time you would have noted I am one of their most strident critics. This is about the usual cockheads hijacking legitimate protest movements. And, if you would believe the same media you ‘saw the photos’ in, not one of the protesters was hurt.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 12:33 pm

Not that poor kid holding the head though, he and his next down brother are dead.

Good. I can either be sad for the kid/s, or sad for their future victims. My choice is very clear.

srr
srr
August 22, 2021 12:34 pm

I haven’t had a chance to catch up with all the cats yet, but even if this has been posted, it deserves many more airings, all over the world –

Tucker Carlson Mocks Daniel Andrews

Australia is the laughing stock of the world thanks to Dan & Brett’s “science”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWhMKLr8djE

Roger
Roger
August 22, 2021 12:36 pm

Morrison brought the surviving Sharrouf children back in 2019.

srr
srr
August 22, 2021 12:38 pm

rickwsays:
August 22, 2021 at 9:58 am

Real Rukshan … Follow him, you won’t regret it;

Already doing it, he’s doing a pretty good job. Has also been subject to police intimidation and harassment which is the mark of a good Australian journalist these days.

I can testify to that.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 12:38 pm

duncanm, apropos of flash demos.

This will, and does work. Provided one has a sufficiently beige online presence, it will avoid attracting the attention of the authorities – who do (apparently) have the capability to monitor such things, but it’s not inexhaustible and budget/manpower restraints means it’s limited to who they consider to be main players.

Get in. Get the protest done. Get out.

They do this with rave parties and so on all the time, and get away with it for that exact reason. Unlike the rave parties though, you would publicise them during the event as well before going dark at its conclusion. Until next time.

A quality tactic, and one worth looking at.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 22, 2021 12:39 pm

https://notthebee.com/article/watch-australia-is-now-in-the-phase-of-dystopian-tyranny-where-politicians-yell-at-citizens-for-watching-the-sunset

I am so very, very glad I don’t live under the oppressive idiocy of Australia’s rulers:

From Not The Bee.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 22, 2021 12:41 pm

Wonder what would happen if the protesters all went down on one knee before the cops, declaring that ALL lives matter. It would be an interesting clash of physical iconography. 🙂

srr
srr
August 22, 2021 12:41 pm

cohenitesays:
August 22, 2021 at 10:12 am
Zipstersays:
August 22, 2021 at 9:23 am
The crackdown on dissent is coming
online abuse to be made illegal.

FMD. You’ll need a passport to comment on fucking social media.

I can also testify to that.
The difference between conspiracy theories & facts is time.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 22, 2021 12:44 pm

Does Afghanistan still have a chair of something in UNESCO? If so, does the Taliban inherit it?

The Taliban do have a lot of experience handling UNESCO World Heritage sites.
With explosives.

Muddy
Muddy
August 22, 2021 12:46 pm

Knuckle Dragger says:
August 22, 2021 at 12:19 pm

Thanks for the clarification. My thoughts do sometimes dribble out with a whiff of abstraction or ambiguity about them.

In any of these types of comments I’ve made previously, I’ve normally been careful to specify that apart from the moral aspects, illegal acts are counter-productive. In the competition for influence, where we are very much under-supported by communications resources, a sure-fire means to damage the cause would be to allow a record of visible transgression of public standards to define us publicly.

O.K., that was a word-salad, but hopefully someone gets the drift.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 12:47 pm

Don’t worry KD

I’m sure we’ve got lots of lovely home grown ones chaffing at the bit.

Btw I adore it when someone brings up an ancient grievance.

I don’t know whether it’s more girlie or eggy though.

What do you think?

BTW lemurs aren’t monkeys

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 22, 2021 12:47 pm

“I was horrified to hear Tanya Davies explain on The Outsiders this morning that she was getting messages from families who had to decide which one of them would get vaccinated to earn an income for the family and which one would not so they would be there to look after the kids if anything happened.

What have we become?”

The British Government introduced a significant few hundred thousand pounds compensation for anyone who was totally and permanently disabled or who died from a Covid vax. (I think it covered TPI as well as death). This helped to increase the vax rate enormously, at very little cost given the extremely low numbers that this involved compensating. The vaxxes are hugely safe, especially the AZ which most in the UK got.

I’ve always thought this was a necessary feature. Don’t think we do it though. Or the US.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 22, 2021 12:50 pm

Big Pharma wanted indemnity from claims because of the total numbers involved world-wide and the difficulty of attribution it would involve, plus the lawfare that would offer millions of dollars per case. I think as governments accepted the vaxxes, each government should pick up some responsibility for any deaths or TPI caused.

Winston Smith
August 22, 2021 12:52 pm

Muddy:

What’s the bet that provocateurs (state or media-sanctioned) are already being briefed to create a justification for additional forceful measures?
I’m not suggesting that such infiltrators will seek to escalate to the point of serious violence, but I’d imagine that heightened anxiety states in crowds might easily and fatally degenerate.

We all know what step is next in the escalation scenario, don’t we?
A year ago we didn’t imagine a lethal confrontation between the citizenry and the police.
Lets pray saner heads remove these idiots from their positions of authority.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 22, 2021 12:53 pm

“In the competition for influence, where we are very much under-supported by communications resources, a sure-fire means to damage the cause would be to allow a record of visible transgression of public standards to define us publicly.”

My thoughts exactly re the peril that could come to any Cat blog, and why I have changed my name on the Dash-Cat due in the most part, but not entirely, to the Bird’s outrageous statements there in plain sight. And left there.

srr
srr
August 22, 2021 12:55 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
August 22, 2021 at 10:27 am
[…]
This is no longer a single issue. There are (and have been from the start) multiple conflicting agendas from a myriad of interested parties at play in this entire covid fiasco, and Joe and Jane Punter are being fed what is considered best by representatives of all of them.

Yep and it’s notable that people still skim around the fact of many agent provocateurs & info gatherers being long ago seeded amongst those who started to sense something was going wrong in Christendom (and most of those only thought of it as, ‘The West’, or their own ‘democratic’ Nations), as if they are still afraid to discover that the couple or few people left that they really trusted, shouldn’t be trusted.

MatrixTransform
August 22, 2021 12:56 pm

Here’s what. The fuckwits inside the 4000 strong group, having lost their most immediate target would have smashed up anything in sight, which would have been followed by calls of where the jacks were, and why don’t they do something?

Say Knuckles … can you do a similar post-mortem on say, the American BLM riots as well.
I’m expecially interested in the “why didn’t they do something” bit.

The issue I have with the retro-splaining is that the whole thing kinda only proceeds from having supped at the banquet of small lies in the first place.

ie. this situation only exists because our rogue govt has simultaneously fettered fucked the people AND concurrently released The Dogs.

is any of this necessary in any way what-so-ever?

What? … even after the Vig Govt own inquiry we don’t know how we actually got here?

But yeah, absolutely necessary. right? … is it ??

how coy … i love being lied to … hmm, yum …. with a nugget of marzipan-truth

the solution probably isn’t more dogs.

don’t really give a FF how it’s “justified” anymore.

just sayin’

Muddy
Muddy
August 22, 2021 12:57 pm

Has someone already posted this from Michael Smith?
Man imprisoned over planning unauthorised protest and breaching Public Health Orders

My apologies if this is unnecessary repetition.

Woolfe
Woolfe
August 22, 2021 1:00 pm

Bret and Heather are on Odysee

MatrixTransform
August 22, 2021 1:02 pm

and another fucking thing …

I get what yr saying about the questionable motives of a fraction of the marchers.
Probably true

the point though, is that a vastly larger proportion of marchers knew EXACTLY what they’re marching for.

question … do The Dogs know exactly what they’re doing? Or is it just some sort of innate Dog Nature?

Woolfe
Woolfe
August 22, 2021 1:03 pm

Twitter and Facebook Dover

Muddy
Muddy
August 22, 2021 1:09 pm

Winston.
I would not put it past say, the ABCess, to have inserted a few individuals within these Melbourne crowds, complete with hidden cameras, in an attempt to provoke public vandalism or similar acts. Their task will be to identify and latch on to the characters Knuckles has written of above. The provocation will be judiciously edited from the final ‘Three and a Half Corners’ exposé of course.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 22, 2021 1:15 pm

According to The RiotACT ……..
“Facemasks could see magpies swoop more Canberrans than ever before this spring breeding season, an expert warns.

While facemasks help prevent the spread of COVID-19, an unintended side-effect is they may provoke more magpies to swoop you.

The iconic birds recognise people by their facial features and if our faces are obscured, they can’t tell friend from foe.

Griffith University magpie expert Emeritus Professor Darryl Jones says we’d all become targets.

“Because they can’t distinguish between who they think is a real problem they start to think, ‘it’s one of these people hiding behind a mask, okay I’ll hit the lot of them,” he said.”

It has to happen, because Emeritus.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 22, 2021 1:16 pm

Carna Pies!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 22, 2021 1:22 pm

Thinking about putting the New Cat on social media. Advice on which one’s would be appreciated. Facebook, Twitter, Parlor and Gettr. Which of these or others, I’m all ears.

As long as I can read new Çat without joining any of them, and occasionally post, I don’t care. But I shan’t join any of them.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 22, 2021 1:24 pm

PS, What happened to Cassie’s post?

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 1:24 pm

You can’t know that though KD.

Maybe saner heads in the group would have reeled any knuckleheads in.

(Really enjoying the sly Mrs Mangles sniping from the sidelines too.)

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 1:26 pm

Say Knuckles … can you do a similar post-mortem on say, the American BLM riots as well.
I’m expecially interested in the “why didn’t they do something” bit.

Defund them then. All in the same basket. Just like Portland and New York. After all, and as I said, I’m one of their most strident critics.

I am also continually informed from very reliable sources that VicJack Inc staff are resigning en masse, because enforcing edicts from unelected health bureaucrats and chasing kids away from playgrounds isn’t what they signed up for. This is why, as someone correctly said earlier that the majority of them are on overtime doing these protests.

VicPol have been advertising through industry channels at record pace and quantity for recruits. Have been for months. What little standards they had at recruitment two years ago are out the window, and they are taking absolutely anyone.

I get what yr saying about the questionable motives of a fraction of the marchers.
Probably true

It is true, and if anyone expects them to stand there and have their noses broken and concussed by 10 per cent of protesters because 90 per cent are righteous, they’re kidding themselves.

Again. No reports of injured protesters. Anywhere. Happy to stand corrected.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 1:29 pm

You can’t know that though KD.

Can you?

From the media? The same media that everyone furiously agrees twists information according to suit agendas?

Zipster
Zipster
August 22, 2021 1:37 pm

Anyone care to comment:

COVID-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease
Development of new vaccine technology has been plagued with problems in the past. The current RNA based SARSCoV-2 vaccines were approved in the US using an emergency order without extensive long term safety testing. In this paper the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine was evaluated for the potential to induce prion-based disease in vaccine recipients. The RNA sequence of the vaccine as well as the spike protein target interaction were analyzed for the potential to convert intracellular RNA binding proteins TAR DNA binding protein (TDP-43) and Fused in Sarcoma (FUS) into their pathologic prion conformations. The results indicate that the vaccine RNA has specific sequences that may induce TDP-43 and FUS to fold into their pathologic prion confirmations. In the current analysis a total of sixteen UG tandem repeats (?G?G) were identified and additional UG (?G) rich sequences were identified. Two GG?A sequences were found. Potential G Quadruplex sequences are possibly present but a more sophisticated computer program is needed to verify these. Furthermore, the spike protein, created by the translation of the vaccine RNA, binds angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), a zinc containing enzyme. This interaction has the potential to increase intracellular zinc. Zinc ions have been shown to cause the transformation of TDP-43 to its pathologic prion configuration. The folding of TDP-43 and FUS into their pathologic prion confirmations is known to cause ALS, front temporal lobar degeneration, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological degenerative diseases. The enclosed finding as well as additional potential risks leads the author to believe that regulatory approval of the RNA based vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 was premature and that the vaccine may cause much more harm than benefit.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 22, 2021 1:37 pm

Knuckles, can you confirm your comment “Bradley Murdoch just died in prison” you made over at the other Cat is true?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 1:42 pm

TE:

I can confirm two things:

1. I don’t know if he’s dead or not; and
2. A certain _roomba will as we speak be frantically scouring the Net and making phone calls, searching for details on Murdoch’s demise.

Made him look. Apologies. Please resume your standard Sunday.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 22, 2021 1:42 pm

More from The RiotAct…….
ACT plod getting swamped with calls from dobbers about unmasked citizens……..

“We understand that people are concerned about everyone doing the right thing during the lockdown but calling us to report two children not wearing masks while jumping on a trampoline in their backyard is a serious waste of our resources,” Superintendent Goddard said.

“We have also had calls about two people getting out of a car in a retail car park and calls from people seeking advice about exemptions or other health-related questions.”
Pubes bored in lockdown.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 1:45 pm

I wasn’t talking about what happened kd, but the hypothetical what might have happened.

That’s what you can’t know for sure.

I’m well aware of the games media plays

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 22, 2021 1:45 pm

Curse you Knuckles!

Still, it means the residents of the Darwin prison get to enjoy Murdoch’s desserts for longer. Bit of come-down though: once NT’s most wanted, and now NT jail’s most appreciated trifle maker.

MatrixTransform
August 22, 2021 1:47 pm

and if anyone expects them to stand there and have their noses broken and concussed by 10 per cent of protesters because 90 per cent are righteous, they’re kidding themselves.

Hmm … 10% … citation needed

sounds like both sides of this argument might have got mixed up with the wrong crowd

do you have figures for the percentage of Polis who are bad-eggs as opposed to those who tenez le droit ?

… or are they all white-hats?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 1:47 pm

“We understand that people are concerned about everyone doing the right thing during the lockdown but calling us to report two children not wearing masks while jumping on a trampoline in their backyard is a serious waste of our resources,” Superintendent Goddard said.

duncanm – another effective tactic. Rumour has it NT plod were swamped with this as well during their three-day lockdown event this week.

Every job that comes in needs to be acquitted somehow. This is massively time and resource-intensive, and no doubt infuriating. To say nothing of the expense to government in throwing resources around to accommodate it.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 1:47 pm

Ha.

I enjoyed the casting one out to catch a caviar.

areff
areff
August 22, 2021 1:50 pm

Don’t wear a red shirt to a demonstration.

In Danistan, wearing a red shirt means VicPol knows better than to raise an eyebrow, let alone bring charges, against you.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 1:51 pm

It’s a bit late to worry about that now with so many over 70 already hit with the kill jab zippy

uh oh here comes a Reuters fact check.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 1:52 pm

DrBeauGan says:
August 22, 2021 at 1:24 pm
PS, What happened to Cassie’s post?

Scroll up. Go to Home. Scroll down. Press Page 2. Scroll down to Cassie’s Post.

#NavigatorsRUs

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 1:55 pm

do you have figures for the percentage of Polis who are bad-eggs as opposed to those who tenez le droit?

No, but 10% wouldn’t be far off. Unfortunately they’re not all white-hats, although some wear them. Always been the way in every police force, and always will be.

Used to be, allegedly, that a fair amount of that 10% would be dragged out the back of the station and given a hiding for giving the rest a bad name, usually followed by their sudden resignation. Dunno what happens now.

Two off-the-top examples. Kerb-stomp cop from a couple of years back, who although being charged and immediately suspended is still on the payroll, as is Murray Gentner. He was the bloke who failed to identify Gargasoulas as a manic killer-in-waiting prior to Bourke Street, and is also responsible for the leaked photos of Dean Laidley in a dress and makeup. Also suspended, but with pay. For some reason I can’t work out.

Incidentally, they took tenez le droit off the badges some years ago and replaced it with the English – uphold the right. Apparently French was too hard for the current crop.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 22, 2021 1:57 pm

DrBG, of course, social media will be more about putting the word out. This will be the platform for the New Cat.

An admirable aim, Dover.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 22, 2021 1:57 pm

Scroll up. Go to Home. Scroll down. Press Page 2. Scroll down to Cassie’s Post.

#NavigatorsRUs

Thanks calli.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 22, 2021 2:04 pm

Thanks calli.

Nope. I’ve gone to pages 2 & 3 and neither have Cassie’s guest post. Indeed they aren’t different.

MatrixTransform
August 22, 2021 2:09 pm

Used to be, allegedly, that a fair amount of that 10% would be dragged out the back …

I’m wondering what sort of percentage is acceptable.
Like … is there a break-point ?

see, this is an example of the petit-mal that we’re all meant to give the benefit of the doubt

mostly… it is all just assumed that there are no black-hats

Is there a break-point where it’s acceptable for one the 90% good-guy-marchers to shoot back?

c’mon, this whole calculus implies that there must be a number

anybody know what it is?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 2:12 pm

Anyone wondering why prominent sportsmen aren’t publicly criticising this current state of saffairs, here it is. The Hun:

Former NBA star Andrew Bogut blasted the extent of Covid lockdowns and claimed Australian sporting stars had been gagged at making public comments on the subject.

In a scathing Instagram video, Bogut alleged: “Athletes that are on contract in our biggest leagues in Australia, AFL, NRL have been told not to make anti-lockdown, anti-government statements on social media, period”.

“I’m enemy number one because I am not on anyone’s teat, they can’t shut me up,” Bogut said.

“So for those of you out there who are scratching your head in these tough times thinking where are all these sports stars or influencers … why can’t they go in to bat for me, that’s your reason.”

And, from someone about to retire:

The former No. 1 draft pick and NBA champion’s post on Instagram drew a string of reactions including from Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury, who commented with the clapping hands emoji.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 2:13 pm

*saffairs*

What’s that?

*affairs*

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 2:14 pm

Is there a break-point where it’s acceptable for one the 90% good-guy-marchers to shoot back?

I expect we’ll find out shortly.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 2:17 pm

Try this Beau.

It was there, halfway down Page 2. Dover might like to pop in a Search function after he’s finished tiling the kitchen. 😀

MatrixTransform
August 22, 2021 2:18 pm

about to go to the shops here for some panic-buy.
we have an acceptable area for travel of about 78sq.km

but we live on a sliver of urban bound by Port Phillip, a green-wedge and a shit-farm
about 2km wide and 10km long so we get only about 20 sq.km … legally

Lets hope that when I get pulled up for being 6.8km from home that it’s a white-hat
rather than some fuckhead with badge
just doing their job
chasing KPIs

twostix
twostix
August 22, 2021 2:22 pm

So knuckledragger, cop apologist and bootlicker extraordinaire, just spent 24 hours explaining how the well known Victorian hyper-partisan Labor paramilitary aren’t at fault for shooting and booting anti-lockdown protestors, and its all the protestors fault they got shot at by cops trying out their brand new anti-establishment-protestor weaponry.

You can’t hide your pro-police justitications behind “well, just saying, not saying it was totally anyone’s fault but I’m saying it was totally the protestors fault, not saying”.

Uh-oh

shatterzzz
August 22, 2021 2:23 pm

Is STAIRMAN DAN .. TALIBAN?
https://ibb.co/23R0NLC

Zipster
Zipster
August 22, 2021 2:24 pm

uh oh here comes a Reuters fact check.

Strange how we need to show evidence of a problem, not evidence of safety. There is no long term evidence of safety. The mainstream media the biggest propagator of fake news, is now we are led to believe, the only source of truth.

How very pravda.

Seems the individual must be sacrificed for the collective.

John H.
John H.
August 22, 2021 2:32 pm

Zipstersays:
August 22, 2021 at 1:37 pm
Anyone care to comment:

COVID-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease

I wouldn’t worry about it at all. It is just an idea so I’m not sure why they even bothered to write it up. The lazy sods should have done the lab work.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 2:33 pm

Ordinarily, stix, you make some very reasonable points.

If you had read any of what I said over the course of the day (and in fact weeks, months and years), you would have noted my very strong views that there is quite a bit that VicJack Inc have got monumentally wrong. I do not propose to go through it all again because you’ve only read two paragraphs and gone REEEEE.

On this issue, it is abundantly clear you are a one-dimensional voice-to-text recording that clicks on whenever the name of the poster appears. Nothing more. A bit like None, in more ways than one.

You still haven’t recovered from abusing every Victorian poster over a period of months for the deeds of Dan Andrews, only to go all quiet when the steely-eyed Queenslanders all did the same and worse when your turn came.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 2:33 pm

Perhaps Zippy

But people can also make any wild claims they like by publishing three pages of ‘research’ on an obscure ‘journal’ and get that amplified.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 22, 2021 2:35 pm

stix.

Where are the injured protesters? From the ‘shooting and booting’?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 22, 2021 2:37 pm

Drawn a longbow there twostix

rickw
rickw
August 22, 2021 2:40 pm

Is there a break-point where it’s acceptable for one the 90% good-guy-marchers to shoot back?

At some point Vicpol will use live ammo, “because they had no choice”, they will murder multiple people. Vicpol will have thus unlocked the next level of the conflict and will thus find themselves horribly outnumbered, outgunned, out droned.

shatterzzz
August 22, 2021 2:43 pm

do you have figures for the percentage of Polis who are bad-eggs as opposed to those who tenez le droit?
I’m guessing you don’t spend much time in SW Sydney then? .. AS someone who lives in a small (69 houses) Housing Commission estate out the back of Fairfield, NSW the idea that there are honest plod is laughable ..! Between 1990 & 2007 following the much publicised drug cleansing of Cabramatta this estate became dope central for the Fairfield/Liverpool area .. 150mts from a 93member plod outpost and NO law allowed ..
17 years and the only plod presence in this estate was the Friday afternoon bagman .. 17 years of terror & hell with NO ONE in authority giving a damn tends to leave folk with a, slightly, jaundiced outlook regarding honest plod ..
The, actual, saving factor around here was the mobile phone once they became vogue the kerb-side dealing dried up and pre-arranged/home delivery became popular so the dealers/customers disappeared …….!

rickw
rickw
August 22, 2021 2:46 pm

Don’t wear a red shirt to a demonstration.

You need to wear your “grey man” outfit, completely unremarkable, undistinguishable, not memorable.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 22, 2021 2:46 pm

Try this Beau.

Thanks calli. I found it eventually. Unfortunately, StevefromBrisbane did too, and we had far too much of his ignorant ravings and weird preoccupations.

twostix
twostix
August 22, 2021 2:48 pm

Victorian cops, and NSW, QLD, WA, etc to a lesser extent have had two decades of brainwashing that anyone who is against the edicts and values of the modern state is a latent neo-nazi and can justifiably be beaten to shit and imprisoned forever.

Things that mean you’re officially a neo-nazi in 2021:

Anti immigration = neo nazi.
Anti mega mosque in bendigo = neo nazi
Anti african gang violence = neo nazi
Christian = neo nazi
IPA member = neo nazi
Anti abortion = neo nazi
Anti vaxxer = neo nazi
Against lockdowns = neo nazi
Question COVID figures = neo nazi.
Read Andrew Bolt = neo nazi
Family with a stay at home mum = neo nazi
Reading and posting to places like this = neo nazi

The idea that they needed an excuse to shoot and belt protestors who are finally protesting the final revolutionary consolidation of twenty years of effort by the managerial state to which these police forces are dogmatically loyal to is beyond cringe.

areff
areff
August 22, 2021 2:48 pm

Matrix, you sound like a Point Cook resident. If so, next time I’m on Altona Beach I’ll wave in your general direction

I have the same problem, as I’m 100 metres from Altona Beach. Last year I stopped a joint police-military patrol on Pier Street and asked if, as I can’t travel south, did that mean I could drive 10 kms to the north?

The little walloperette didn’t know, but her burly blue protector had the answer: “Swim as far out as you want.”

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 22, 2021 2:57 pm

I note that Dover has much better taste in paintings than Sinc.

Delta A
Delta A
August 22, 2021 3:02 pm

Oh dear, the product of our declining education system:

So knuckledragger, cop apologist and bootlicker extraordinaire, just spent 24 hours explaining how the well known Victorian hyper-partisan Labor paramilitary aren’t at fault for shooting and booting anti-lockdown protestors, and its all the protestors fault they got shot at by cops trying out their brand new anti-establishment-protestor weaponry.

I am available for remedial reading-comprehension classes for those poor souls who can’t accurately analyze a rational argument or information.

cohenite
August 22, 2021 3:03 pm

The zombie’s parting gift to the world; let’s hope there’s a hell for this bastard:

“The Biden administration… has made no efforts to pressure the Iranian regime into answering the International Atomic Energy Agency’s questions about three undeclared clandestine nuclear sites found in Iran.

“For objectivity’s sake, I should say that the Iranian government has reiterated its will to engage and to cooperate and to provide answers, but they haven’t done that so far. So I hope this may change, but as we speak, we haven’t had any concrete progress.” — General Rafael Mariano Grossi, Director General, International Atomic Energy Agency, Seattle Times, June 7, 2021.

It seems — worryingly, especially after failures of both intelligence and planning in the Afghanistan debacle — that the Biden administration is again standing idly by while the mullahs of Iran comfortably keep enriching uranium to acquire a nuclear weapons arsenal.”

Iran Mullahs Closer Than Ever to Obtaining Nuclear Weapons :: Gatestone Institute

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
August 22, 2021 3:04 pm

I have just sent this email to my local “member”.

Sir,

You and your parties silence is deafening. Agree or disagree with Saturday’s protest, the force used by Victoria Police was unnecessary. Take a stand, or resign and let someone else take a stand. That includes the whole Victorian Liberal Party Sir.

When ordinary people see some Liberal Members join the protests maybe you will get some cut through.

Yeah, I know, I’m dreaming.

Cordially yours,

CrazyOldRanga (not my real name)

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
August 22, 2021 3:09 pm

To clarify, the email is to the Victorian State “member” for Roguesville, Kim Wells.

miltonf
miltonf
August 22, 2021 3:14 pm

Wow this Mal Lanyon sounds like a nasty piece of work…

Real Mark Latham
@RealMarkLatham
New allegations today against Mal Lanyon that not only was he collapsed on the ground blind drunk, but he abused ambulance officers, shaped up to them and rang the Ambo Chief.
If the NSW Government is serious about law and order and respect for the Police, Lanyon must be sacked.
Quote Tweet
The Daily Telegraph
@dailytelegraph
· Jun 6
Deputy Police Commissioner Mal Lanyon allegedly said ‘do you know who I am?’ to paramedics and police trying to help him after he was found collapsed ‘behind the Big Merino’.

miltonf
miltonf
August 22, 2021 3:15 pm

Glad’s bully boys

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 22, 2021 3:15 pm

duncanm, I have been pondering by putting on a devils advocate cap that the Vic Government may be trying to discredit the whole anti lockdown with the drawing out of the ratbags Knuckles is describing. I would if I was in their position, especially when you know the full MSM apparatus is likely to print the narrative you want. Even I was starting to get worked up, easy to do with the right niggling.

As for said ratbags. I have never met any of them from this generation but as I teenager and young adult Anarchists were common especially in the Victorian Tertiary system some of which I did interact with as a student. Years later I met soccer hooligans who had been denied entry to Japan for the World Cup who were returned to the last port of call being Thailand, personable blokes unless you were from a rival team then the snarling and aggression from across the bar was a sight to behold. What fell out of that experience was the fact these guys seemed to love fighting and how alike they seemed to be with the anarchists I’d experienced in my student days. I’d hazard a guess these would be the same guys turning up to a left wing protest create havoc for a fix. These guys wouldn’t be presenting to an emergency ward in a hurry either but I am coming to the conclusion that maybe Vic Plod were actually held on a leash yesterday. Apart from some very unprofessional conduct regrettably, especially from the hero taunting people. Real tough man from behind his mates, wasn’t Lebanese was he?

As for alternate COA’s. Problem with Ghandi type sit in’s is the ratbags will turn up and cause havoc regardless. Flash mobs, I like it. I think that is the way to go unless the majority of the population peacefully get in the streets overwhelming police resources and we are no where near that yet.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 22, 2021 3:17 pm

The fundamental problem we have is that after the leftist march through the institutions, we have a majority of the population believing, with various degrees of fervour, that the function of the government is to look after us. They have accepted that they are children and the government is mummy.

I think, as Cassie and Arky do, that we have to set up and live in, as far as possible, an alternative society that denies this assumption. It’s easier for some than others, but recoiling from that fundamental assumption is crucial.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 3:24 pm

No areff MT lives on the better side of the bay.

My daughter had the same complaint re 5 km though she claimed that as Port Melbourne was 5km as the crow flies she could legit go there.

I user to take my children out to the Point Cook homestead when the Carlton draught horses lived there but last time I ventured out it was closed up and no fun at all.

Still nice to look at when you are walking at the much improved since then Altona beach.
It appears I can still legally venture that way to care for the child of an ‘essential worker’ so I shall.

Armadillo
Armadillo
August 22, 2021 3:26 pm

Link to Andrew Boguts rant…..

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CS00F6nnygH/?utm_medium=copy_link

Well done that man.

Winston Smith
August 22, 2021 3:39 pm

Knuckle Dragger:

Not that poor kid holding the head though, he and his next down brother are dead.

Good. I can either be sad for the kid/s, or sad for their future victims. My choice is very clear.

Only an Intellectual could be stupid enough to get confused over this.

Winston Smith
August 22, 2021 4:00 pm

Twostix:

Victorian cops, and NSW, QLD, WA, etc to a lesser extent have had two decades of brainwashing that anyone who is against the edicts and values of the modern state is a latent neo-nazi and can justifiably be beaten to shit and imprisoned forever.

It’s not necessary for the coppers to be able to prove you are a neonazi, all they have to do is convince themselves that you are a neonazi.
The violence flows from that point onward, and it was put into their pointy little heads at the Academies.

Winston Smith
August 22, 2021 4:04 pm

Cohenite:

It seems — worryingly, especially after failures of both intelligence and planning in the Afghanistan debacle — that the Biden administration is again standing idly by while the mullahs of Iran comfortably keep enriching uranium to acquire a nuclear weapons arsenal.”

If there was ever a clear case of the righteous need for a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran, Israel has one here.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
August 22, 2021 4:05 pm

We know this from Star Trek

And Galaxy Quest.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 4:14 pm
Zipster
Zipster
August 22, 2021 4:14 pm

I think, as Cassie and Arky do, that we have to set up and live in, as far as possible, an alternative society that denies this assumption. It’s easier for some than others, but recoiling from that fundamental assumption is crucial.

The first step is to disinfect the schools from intersectionalism. The libs have done precious little in that regard.

Australia does not have much of a libertarian streak or culture unlike the USA which had a strong culture of individualism. The tough individualism of early Australia has been overwhelmed by inner city bugmen and wave upon wave of other migrants.

The bugmen of the left want power and to expand exponentially their domains of bureaucratic control over our lives. Possibly only another major war will clean out these dregs so we can start again.

Zipster
Zipster
August 22, 2021 4:17 pm

Speaking of Israel Israel covid graphs prove pfizer vaccines work against delta

I used to mean a vaccine worked when you got immunity. Now vaccine means whatever the government wants it to mean.

areff
areff
August 22, 2021 4:28 pm

Rockdoctor: If you’re still interested in soccer thugs, Among the Thugs is a brilliant read:

https://www.amazon.com.au/Among-Thugs-Bill-Buford/dp/0679745351

One chapter deals with a trip to Italy, storming the airport, sweeping onto the plane and all before them. They made a half-arsed movie inspired by about a quarter of the book, which is much, uch better.

srr
srr
August 22, 2021 4:32 pm

They made a half-arsed movie inspired by about a quarter of the book, which is much, uch better.

Green Street Hooligans?

cohenite
August 22, 2021 4:40 pm

Fucking teachers; another woke, hideous bitch infecting pre-school kiddies with gender garbage is fired; Hivemind explains:

https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2021/08/21/two-woke-teachers-fired-in-one-week-you-wont-believe-what-they-are-teaching-kids/

cohenite
August 22, 2021 4:47 pm

If there was ever a clear case of the righteous need for a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran, Israel has one here.

A pre-emptive strike on the zombie would have been even better.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 22, 2021 4:49 pm

Marjorie Taylor Greene calls biden a POS; the lefties are horrified

Surber counters in the best way possible.
Blowback!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 22, 2021 4:54 pm

Problem with Ghandi type sit in’s is the ratbags will turn up and cause havoc regardless.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Antifa were at that protest. It’s their style, and strategy.

Muddy
Muddy
August 22, 2021 4:57 pm

twostix says:
August 22, 2021 at 2:22 pm

I’m not wanting to join in the ruckus, lest I chip a nail, but my interpretation of Knuckles’ posts seem to be at variance with yours.

Ragu
Ragu
August 22, 2021 5:03 pm

The other place is plooked.

Hello, Dover. May I please post here?

In response to

Speaking of Israel Israel covid graphs prove pfizer vaccines work against delta

I jammed in this at the cooked place;

What I see is this.

 

Top graph, severe cases 60+ for the month of August = 150

 

Bottom graph sever cases 60+ = ~ 70 + 195 + 270 + 450. => 985 severe cases. Except the bottom graph makes no mention of a specific time.

 

Fail.

I went looking for the source, but I can’t read Israelite.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 22, 2021 5:03 pm

Ta. areff. Have worked with a lot of Pom’s over the years and even related to one as an in-law. I seem to get on better with the boozehounds than the quaffing set. Quite a few professionals with working class roots that admit they escaped to Australia because of what the UK has turned into.

egg_
egg_
August 22, 2021 5:04 pm

So knuckledragger, cop apologist and bootlicker extraordinaire, just spent 24 hours explaining how the well known Victorian hyper-partisan Labor paramilitary aren’t at fault for shooting and booting anti-lockdown protestors, and its all the protestors fault they got shot at by cops trying out their brand new anti-establishment-protestor weaponry.

You can’t hide your pro-police justitications behind “well, just saying, not saying it was totally anyone’s fault but I’m saying it was totally the protestors fault, not saying”.

Uh-oh

Precisely.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 22, 2021 5:09 pm

Exactly Bruce. Vic Pol intelligence would have detailed dossiers, hence my reservations.

calli
calli
August 22, 2021 5:12 pm

Ragu. There’s a six minute cache. Plus problems with formatting.

If it’s instant gratification you want, and who doesn’t, this is the place.

The Edith Piaf Cat – no regrets! You don’t have time for them! 😀

JC
JC
August 22, 2021 5:22 pm

Dover

Rags is very excited and particularly jumpy today. It’s quite possible the anxiety medication he’s on has this side effect. Ignore him.

Cassie of Sydney
August 22, 2021 5:30 pm

“The libs have done precious little in that regard.”

The Libs have done precious little in any regard…….they don’t speak up about free speech, they don’t speak up about the need for limited government, they don’t speak up about individual liberty and they don’t speak up about religious freedom….hello….whatever happened to the Religious Freedom Bill? An example of their “precious little”…when all they do is actively side with Labor and Green scum, a little over a month ago Malcolm Roberts introduced a bill in the senate to prevent minors being given cross sex hormones and puberty blockers…perfectly reasonable….so what do many Libs do…scum such as Andrew Bragg side with Labor and the Greens and the Roberts motion is defeated.

There’s no point voting Liberal…no point whatsoever.

Ragu
Ragu
August 22, 2021 5:31 pm

No rebuttal to what I posted. So I’m correct.

The graphs are bullcrap. Thanks.

Franx
Franx
August 22, 2021 5:37 pm

Arky 11.23
You advocate non-compliance yet this fails to grasp that a protest in our own streets is a non-compliance of the requirement to stay home and protest to the deaf ears of the 4 walls.
And it makes no sense to advocate noncompliance and then to sort of insinuate that to protest is to be confrontational towards the police.
Recall that to meet neighbour or an away from home child is to be confrontational towards the police.
But I suppose keyboard satire is sufficiently noncompliant by at least simulating noncompliance, so simulation is good enough in the circumstances, especially when rosellas are the weapons of choice in black swan incidents which are tending to be nothing of the sort.

srr
srr
August 22, 2021 5:43 pm

Ragusays:
August 22, 2021 at 5:31 pm
No rebuttal to what I posted. So I’m correct.

The graphs are bullcrap. Thanks.

Not only that, but the wax seal on how right you are is that rosie’s key partner in, “Invest, Invest In Biotech & Jab, JAB, JABS!”, JC, has also jumped in to try to shoot the counter messenger –

JC says:
August 22, 2021 at 5:22 pm
Dover

Rags is very excited and particularly jumpy today. It’s quite possible the anxiety medication he’s on has this side effect. Ignore him.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 5:54 pm

I posted the English language source here, and at dash cat.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 5:55 pm

Oh great; addled and Mrs Mangles.

So much for posh cat.

rosie
rosie
August 22, 2021 5:57 pm

Drove past popular local playground a few minutes ago.

There were a number of children playing on the equipment.

I was horrified.

Ragu
Ragu
August 22, 2021 6:02 pm

Post the study it’s from, not the press release.

Sheesh.

Rosie, your contrarianism to wind-up a few here isn’t getting you anywhere.

rickw
rickw
August 22, 2021 6:03 pm

I used to mean a vaccine worked when you got immunity. Now vaccine means whatever the government wants it to mean.

I’ve got a car for sale that works*, you might need to push it a bit though…

*In accordance with Goverments new definition of works.

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