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It’s still a very viable and time honoured move, rosie.
If nothing else, the weather is better.
I hate the heat Roger. My ideal is Melbourne autumn winter spring then Europe immediately after Christmas until the end of February.
Though a teeny part of qld has a climate I might be able to tolerate.
I’m on a mailing list for Monica. Im not sure how, perhaps something to do with being on the Australian Conservative list?
I hate the heat Roger
It’s not a holiday unless your shirt is sticking to you.
One of the fun aspects of the post-apocalyptic game Fallout 3 – New Vegas is that you get to use baseball bats and golf clubs. And compare their…efficiency. I’ve only found a nine iron and a one wood though, so not a full bag. But yes, golf clubs were better than baseball bats. The one wood is marvelously effective!
JC, thanks again for the best cheesecake evah recipe.
It will feature, by overwhelming demand, at our Father’s Day buffet next Sunday, following spinach and fetta rolls, zucchini slice, stuffed spuds, salads, meat platters, mini quiche and a plethora of cheeses.
And piggies that we are, we shall clean up every crumb.
Oops. Sorry about all the blue stuff.
My bad.
That’s where I’m esconced.
The winter plays havoc with my asthma but it’s worth it to enjoy four seasons.
Dumped Victorian Labor Health Minister Jenny Mikakos has expressed her frustration and disappointment at not being properly briefed by Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton, as she supports calls for a royal commission into Premier Daniel Andrews and COVID-19.
Her bombshell came at a parliamentary inquiry into the scandal dubbed “slug-gate”, in which Professor Sutton’s conservative and powerful health orders have been called into question, amid claims a slug was planted by a health inspector following the death of an 86-year-old woman at Knox Private Hospital.
From the AFR.
Credlin is running my NSW/Vic jab comparison.
My view, about a month out from The Announcement, is that OldCat has metastasised into a variety of forums (fora?…help me out here Deadman).
This is not good in certain quarters. Each has a flavour all its own. Because it isn’t The Borg, but real people expressing themselves in their own, non doctrinaire, way. Only Dover knows how many prospectives he has stopped at this gatehouse. At the other place, the crazies and trolls roam (relatively) free. We see them. It serves a purpose. It gives us a window on what the world is really like.
For good or ill, that’s how it is.
I think I will just get creative and become a very, very slow eater and a constant sipper at drinks. Being tipsy may also make the time fly with you. Women can also lower the ordinary surgical sort to a loose drape because they are made for bigger faces; if I am serious about a mask then I tie knots in the ear-elastic to tighten the fit. The N95 which I wore in airports in March 2020 but not on planes is a much tighter fit and quite unpleasant.
As for holidays, three of my young grandchildren, my daughter’s children, are in Brisbane, and we were discussing meeting up sometime at a Whitsunday resort; but I couldn’t live in Queensland because I really don’t like the sticky hot climate. Sydney is only just bearable for me, and I loved staying for a while in Tasmania. Nordic blood will out.
Besides which, “it’s not the heat, it’s the humidity.”
I figured Roger. You can’t be too far from my family that I hope to see before year’s end.
The day of reckoning approacheth.
They never imagined they’d face it.
When I lived in Darwin in the 1980s, I had a Chinese girlfriend (old NT money – her old man was the lord mayor) whose body was perfectly aspirated for the tropics: when it was 36 degrees in the January wet season, her (gorgeous) skin was cold.
I loved living in the tropics, but my ancestors are European cave drwellers. Our best climate is the southern climes of Australia, not the equatorial Australian north. But I would go back there at the drop of a hat because the lifestyle is so good.
more propaganda this time it’s Matt Canavan!
I hope you manage to do so, rosie.
Who knows, Palaszczsuk may even be deposed by then!
Yes.
The rich wood panelling, the squeak of old leather chairs and the clink of ice in crystal glasses containing almost as much G as T.
Fabulous.
Brisbane Nine had the reporterette standing outside the school. Without actually saying it they certainly got the message across.
And striping statutory authorities and govt departments of their cash reserves (the so called hollow logs) didn’t help either. Across the board maintenance standards fell and some massive f-ups occurred.
NSW getting outta lockdown because they’re nearing the VX’ing yard-stick?
Fake Steeplechase
Fake hurdles
Fake horses
…fake jockeys
“Ice? G? T?” What strange substances are these you speak of?
“We see them.”
I prefer not to see them.
I grew up in Brisbane and summer was never a problem. Then I spent five years in London and on return I found a sub-tropical summer very hard to re-acclimatise to. Mind you, I never quite acclimatised to English weather either. 🙂 It must be even harder for folk of West Indian/African descent, vitamin D and all that.
The only circumstances in which a British winter could be remotely tolerable would be if you had a white collar indoor job, and be thus shielded from the physical discomfort & unpleasantness.
Delta
No problemo, but I think it was Cronkite who first introduced us to the Basque burnt cheesecake. I’m married to the food nazi so the chances of ever getting stuck into one are minimal…. sadly.
I don’t go to the UK in winter.
That would be silly.
A sand wedge should be your ‘go to’ club in such matters.
Had a local fish and chip shop in my neighbourhood as a young bloke.
Run by two ladies called Tina and Margaret. I had a standing order for every Friday night.
On the rare occasion had something else on, would just call them up, and say: “Don’t fry for me Marge and Tina.”
That’s it.
Three seasons of “Mr. Inbetween”, is NOT enough.
That Scott Ryan wasn’t kept working flat out after, “The Magician”, but rather, labouring & driving taxis, remains proof that ‘Hollywood’ is a rotting corpse.
Anyway, imagine a whole series of this quality of story telling –
Bear by Nash Edgerton: VICE Shorts
“Always, Jack, you go too far.
Always, you take things too far by one step.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKeooK0zfeU
I prefer a selection.
It’s flag time again. Five new designs, but the poll favours the present one:
Which is your favourite Australian flag design?
The Reconciliation Flag 15%
The ‘Down Under’ Flag 1%
The Sunburnt Flag 10%
The Golden Wattle Flag 3%
The current Australian Flag 63%
John Joseph’s Untitled Flag 8%
Vote here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9949493/Five-alternative-designs-Australias-national-flag-divide-internet.html
On the rare occasion had something else on, would just call them up, and say: “Don’t fry for me Marge and Tina.”
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“And it’s goodnight from him”
I loved warm Qld weather.
Once in our office east of Canberra one of my colleagues said to me “you are a lizard”. It took most of the day to work it out, but I eventually did: I was the only one of forty odd people in the building who was wearing a jumper.
So eventually moved from Ncl to Townsville. It was awesome. Warm! Unfortunately within two years the company merged with another company, shut down our R&D office and transferred me right back to Ncl, where they had a bigger R&D setup.
So here I am. Stuck. Not because it is impossible to move back to Qld, but because I made the mistake of befriending a whole bunch of local birdies, who I can’t take with me.
I hate Ncl winters.
The present one. I love the morons who claim they can’t tell the difference between the Australian and New Zealand flags….
This.
Gladys cannot understand feelings, emotions and attachment, it is not within her range of experiences. Power is her thing.
I’d say the Eureka Flag, but this country does not deserve it.
That smirk was always a giveaway, much the same as Peter Costello’s. Both nasty pieces of work.
A sand wedge should be your ‘go to’ club in such matters.
Politicians, police or health official?
That may not be a problem for too long, I’m sure horseface will get to redesigning the NZ flag as soon as her approval numbers dip.
The Queensland “high” country from Stanthorpe to Toowoomba has a pretty nice climate. Not nearly as hot and humid as the coast in summer , lovely Spring and Autumn and only 3 months of Winter which requires heating.
rosie
Indeed. The silence of the ambulance unions in the ALP states is deafening.
Over 200,000 views and rising 1,000 comments (in 2 days) and 99.99999% agree with you.
Oh for crying out loud, I accidentally reported my own comment.
I represent Australians who have zero talent. I spent several thousand dollars with Australia’s best coaches trying to figure out a way of getting a ball out of a bunker.
I now have no idea how to do it. I suspect that is because I was born with no talent.
Ridiculously. my creator gave me free will and stupid expectations. I hope that I will be forgiven.
“I’d say the Eureka Flag, but this country does not deserve it.”
After the civil War, dot.
And Australia calls other countries corrupt.
The difference between corruption in Australia and other countries is that at least in the other countries the little bloke gets to play as well. In Australia it’s all government related with big players and big profits.
The hammer and sickle on the new flag should prevent any confusion.
Dan Andrews goes missing
Hopefully he’s having a full psychotic episode instead of the partial one that was leaving him functional enough to visit it on the rest of us.
That will make two strikes then. One more and you’re out.
[insert evil emoji here]
Haha, Tom, me either. In my golfing days I was weirdly really good at getting out of a bunker with a sand wedge.
But no way could I chip or pitch for the life of me. Did not work. Mystifying. Had to use a putter out to about 30 m from the green. Go figure. Did get to B grade eventually though, briefly, with great difficulty. Two weeks later back in C grade.
Life milestone this year: in March put my aged sticks out for the council pick up. They were there for less than a day before being grabbed. I hope they are being used by some kid with effect!
If we’re talking about summer sweat.
The details of my life are quite inconsequential.
Very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.
My childhood was typical, summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we’d make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it’s breathtaking, I suggest you try it.
Ahahaha!
An Atomic Whingie!
From last year. Big league news.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201109/Majority-of-population-likely-has-pre-existing-immunity-to-SARS-CoV-2-claim-researchers.aspx
By Sally Robertson, B.Sc.Nov 9 2020
A team of researchers has conducted a study suggesting that the majority of the global population is likely to have pre-existing T-cell immunity to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) – the agent responsible for the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic.
The team – from the United States and India – says many people who have not yet been exposed to the virus probably already have SARS-CoV-2-reactive T cells as a result of previous exposure to viruses such as influenza and cytomegalovirus (CMV).
The researchers say the study demonstrates that strong immunity among unexposed individuals can arise through cross-reactive T cell receptors (TCRs) against common CMV and influenza antigens that mount an early CD8 T-cell response to clear SARS-CoV-2.
“This finding is in contrast to multiple published studies in which pre-existing T-cell immunity is suggested to arise from shared epitopes between SARS-CoV-2 and other common cold-causing coronaviruses,” say Amitabha Chaudhuri from MedGenome in Foster City, United States and colleagues from MedGenome in Bangalore, India.
A pre-print version of the paper is available on the server bioRxiv*, while the article undergoes peer review.
It’s not a holiday unless the snow squeaks underfoot as you walk.
Copy of a legal challenge to NSW gummint compulsory vaccination of workers …
https://ibb.co/jfK0XFV
“the majority of the global population is likely to have pre-existing T-cell immunity to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)”
Highly likely as shown by the Diamond Princess and the US where after ripping through the place 10.5% have had Covid 19.
Our fire went on around Anzac Day, and didn’t go out until mid-late September.
And the Quality Hounds, no man of leather, oak & substance is without his regal hounds – that can’t be shared here …
Here’s a surprise…….
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/biden-effect-taliban-filmed-moving-captured-us-military-vehicles-left-behind-joe-biden-iran/
Eyrie
Why is the Diamond Princess such a marker for you and others? It was very early on in the piece and human behavior on the ship was not identical to people in other settings. The Diamond P was an unreal setting for comparison. I thought that a scientist and engineer of such world renown as yourself would have come to this realization by now. But no, you haven’t.
What did that mean, srr? Is it a quote? Who are the Regal hounds, and the quality hounds? Are they people or ideas?
I don’t go to the UK in winter.
That would be silly.
I went home for a visit, autumn 2016 .. it was actually warmer over there than that October was here .. LOL!
Careful Dot, you might be revealing too much. Especially about Zoroastrian ladies.
Empirical experimental data JC.
Put 3500 people in a close confined space and see how many get Covid.
Answer: 700 or so.
JC, I think the Diamond Princess is viewed as a petrie dish. If you were going to have a widespread and catastrophic outbreak, a confined cruise ship, sharing air-con and public areas and confined spaces to concentrate viral loads would be it.
In theory, everyone would be infected. But they weren’t.
So what is going on here? Are some resistant? Is the virus as infectious as claimed? As lethal as claimed?
It’s an interesting case.
I don’t think you’re going to have much choice. The Liberal vote is in the gutter, where it belongs.
Bruce, Different time, different environment, different mutation, different knowledge and difference treatment options.
It’s too far back to be making any comparison to the present.
Have you ever witnessed a pest or disease go through a polytunnel? It’s quick. The Diamond Princess is the polytunnel.
It happens with plants. Why didn’t it happen with the humans?
Sure Calli, but it’s use has gonsky and we have tons more data now from a more realistic environment – the ground, not on board a ship.
But were they really in a (single) confined space?
Iirc someone who’d been on either either Ruby or Diamond popped in here who didn’t get it, and made a couple of comments about avoiding the rugger scrum in certain dining facilities etc
And even on a ship doesn’t it take time to spread from person to person?
Air-con on a ship is shared. I don’t know if the scrubbers are calibrated to sift out viruses.
My point was that experiments are necessarily conducted in controlled spaces. The ships were pretty much those spaces. Sure, there may be little to gain from examining the results, or there might be plenty.
It’s worth a look for the enquiring mind.
BoN
Open your stance an eigth, hit off the back foot.
Perhaps confining people to their cabins for two weeks had an impact.
article at nature about the diamond Princess outbreak
Because they said so. His accounts were being closed on that basis.
JC – Eyrie is a pilot. An absolutist, since gravity is unforgiving. You are a trader, a relativist. Which works extremely well until a black swan comes along. I am a scientist, also an absolutist, since science works on natural laws and principles which cannot be changed by that special blue key on the upper left of a trader’s keyboard.
Alpha and Delta aren’t that different. Example is Josh Rogan, who used ivermectin to recover quickly from the heinous bat crud. That tends to negate your thesis about different treatment options.
‘I Feel Good’: Joe Rogan Contracts Covid, Bounces Back Within Days Using Drug Cocktail Including Ivermectin (1 Sep)
Indolent
It was his wife’s accounts and the bank said it made a mistake.
Joe not Josh. I should learn to read my own links. Grr.
Why is the Diamond Princess such a marker for you and others?
Looks like you’re right over the target, Calli.
Or, as I like to call them, “unreconstructed Nazis, goosestepping over the bodies of six million victims and salivating for more”.
Yes, Bird, I know you’re reading this.
So sue me.
You might get lucky and compensate for Daddy disinheriting you from your share of the 12 acre Ponderosa.
???
I long ago came to the conclusion that the human race is very bad at two things:
1. Correctly identifying the problem that needs to be solved.
2. Accepting the results of experiments.
The Diamond Princess was first cut. The experience of the entire USA since is the large scale experiment.
Only 10.5% of the population got Covid 19. Worst States around 14.5%. It was out of control yet at worst only 1 in 7 contracted it. Around half of the Diamond Princess rate overall.
You’d have to wonder ” Why is it so?” (h/t Prof Julius Sumner Miller)
BoN
I linked the variety article this morning that listed many more of the drugs Joe Rogan took, including monoclonal antibodies
the kitchen sink
“2. Accepting the results of experiments.”
Communism /Socialism is a good example. It has always failed dismally but the excuses come thick and fast ” it wasn’t real communism”, it wasn’t done right”, “next time we’ll do it right” etc.
ROFL.
Methinks they suddenly realized there might be two sides to this “reputational risks” thingie.
Napalm, now.
cdc estimates covid burden
Brucie
“Alpha and Delta aren’t that different. Example is Josh Rogan, who used ivermectin to recover quickly from the heinous bat crud. That tends to negate your thesis about different treatment options.”
1. One is faster spreading than the other.
2 Rogan is a fit dude at not that old. I’m not surprised he’s recovered or recovering quickly.
His recovery doesn’t tell is much about the horse med.
3. We now have better data than the ship’s when we screaming for more info.
4. Unlike at the time of the outbreak on the ship, you have to factor in the impact of the jab.
Brucie, it’s like comparing a slide rule to a modern computer.
It may be that a virus can’t exist for long in ducted air con. There might be all sorts of heat/cold sensitivities that limit its viability. Ultimately it needs a living cell to replicate.
We know that it can be transported many metres by water vapour. We know that masks can’t act as a barrier. We know it can survive on surfaces, hands, implements.
We know that people with compromised immune systems, the elderly, the obese and the co-morbid get sick very quickly and succumb. Just like they do with any number of viruses.
So what, exactly, is different about Covid19? Is it because, as a Gain of Function creation, it has properties that we don’t know about? Is it something to do with mutation?
So many questions. So much ruin to answer them.
Stick to share trading JC. You are no good at the STEM stuff.
“Only 10.5% of the population got Covid 19. Worst States around 14.5%. It was out of control yet at worst only 1 in 7 contracted it. Around half of the Diamond Princess rate overall”
Does that include estimating asymptomatic?
Yep, Rosie, just like a guy called Trump, a month out from a certain election.
I wish we could do this. But Medicare is sacrosanct. Thou shalt not prescribe anything which might cause you to lose your medicare number.
BTW, slide rules worked pretty well. SR-71.
Lol. I still have my slide rule. 😀
“Does that include estimating asymptomatic?”
Who the fuck cares if it doesn’t make you sick, fool?
Stick to trading stocks, you’re too stupid for STEM.
Me too , calli.
MatrixTransformsays:
September 2, 2021 at 6:48 pm
NSW getting outta lockdown because they’re nearing the VX’ing yard-stick?
You worried me there for a moment, until I realised that you meant “vaccinating”. VX is a nerve gas.
Speaking of “petrie dishes”…I had a conversation with someone who was an architect/town planner…now retired. This person studied town planning back in the 1960’s. The emphasis then was getting people beings out of crowded city apartment blocks and tenement rows and into new sprawling suburbs…because it was thought that suburbia is healthier. I suspect that this was correct.
The crowded cities of Europe, Asia and North and South America, with their many apartment blocks, were deemed unhealthy for human habitation. It’s clear that diseases thrive in densely populated areas……the apartment blocks and tenements are an ideal petrie dish for disease. And of course a cruise liner is similar to a densely populated apartment block. I’m not saying Covid doesn’t permeate through suburbs but I suspect that it is much more lethal and contagious in environments where people are living on top of each other……hence its terrible impact in North and South America, Israel, metropolitan UK, Europe, Wuhan etc.
Sadly, JC, I’ve somehow lost my grandfather’s slide rule, which I used throughout high school. It was special since it had the periodic table of the elements on the back of it: a scale marked with the element abbreviations which if you put the indicator over you could read off their atomic weights. No idea how I lost it, was a cherished possession.
I have two computers in front of me right now. Three if you count the Kindle also sitting on the desk. Don’t knock slide rules, kid.
Eyrie
Let’s get real. The other day you confirmed you have a science degree with a specialisation in climate going back to the early 70s.
In other words an old so so degree, but let’s not discuss that for a moment.
What we’re discussing here is data analysis . This isn’t something you’ve haven’t shown any talent for.
You once used to peddle you’re an engineer too.
Get over yourself.
My data analysis would be like 100 times superior to yours. My work life has been analysis and I’ve been pretty successful – much more than you champ.
Both health department and SES in WA have just said jabs for the coof are compulsory.
They hate their workers
My only talent is asking questions, JC. In case you haven’t noticed.
I was the horrid child in the back seat asking “are we there yet? And if not, exactly how much further?, and always asking dad to stop so I could have a better look at something or other.
An excellent case for drugging children for road trips.
Obviously Global Warming is a far worse predicament in the Northern Hemisphere than the Southern!
I’ll just put this here for head prefect who is always rabbiting on about some Euro faux gamin as being the most beautiful sheila ever; here is Ann-Margret raising the dead:
https://historydaily.org/49-vintage-photos-youve-probably-never-seen-before/9
Oh okay, so your count is people who have officially tested positive through some test result. In other words you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about, you gasbagging old fool. Just because a person doesn’t present themselves as ill, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be counted as having had covid if indeed they have. We do this through estimates. Who the fuck are you bullshitting pretending you really understand any of this stuff, you old fool?
In 2021, the Diamond Pr. is almost useless as a data point. It’s useless and laughably so.
Stick to naming clouds types, you old imbecile.
Yeah, yeah, JC. So’s mine for nearly forty years. Anyone can use Excel (except climate scientists) but GIGO is still a big difference between relativist fields like yours and absolutist fields like STEM. Classical STEM that is, not the recent woke garbage.
Dude, as they used to say in America, you could hang your coat on them.
There’s no such thing. SARS = Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. Does that sound asymptomatic to you?
Rita Panahi has gone off the deep end, she is interviewing on Alan Jones’ show some nong who is spruiking tea towels and t-shirts with Gladys and Kerry Chant images on them.
Toilet paper and I might be tempted.
JC
Here’s the results from a current tour ship as at 14 August 2021.
4000 passengers and crew.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/at-least-27-fully-vaccinated-people-onboard-a-carnival-cruise-ship-test-positive-for-covid-19/ar-AANjLt6
I’ve just finished reading a book by a geologist which addresses the issue of climate. Milankovitch used a slide rule and took several years to do his calculations. I have to admire such dedication and perseverance.
As do I.
Okay Brucie, but what is you point about you last comment.
Eyrie appears to understand fuck all about how to compare data and he’s bignoting himself from a cloud watcher to some big time data scientist.
Instead of giving me your resume, perhaps you can explain why the Diamond Pr is current for data comparison now that we have ~around 18 months of data.
This may seem a little familiar, sent by friend:
Desperata (Kabul pre-taxi broadcast ATIS recording by a former mercenary pilot)
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what peace there may be in apathy. As far as possible be on good terms with all persons and be prepared to surrender your ideals in order to find acceptance from others. Speak your truth clearly; and listen to others. . . even the dull and ignorant; they too may be rich and powerful. Do not extend yourself; those who reach out are easily hurt. Accept the life-style you are handed. System-bucking is uneconomic and unwise, considering all you have to look forward to. In an ever-changing world, strive to be the same. Be yourself, whatever that means. Especially avoid affection. No-one likes a sook. Do not distress yourself searching for answers to deep questions of self-examination.. Be content with emotional charges from occasional religious activities. Keep your religion, whatever you conceive it to be, separate from your mind. There is comfort to be found in vagueness. Avoid the enthusiastic; their feelings may be contagious. Beyond an occasional discipline, don’t push yourself. Reject kindly the counsel of the aged and experienced. They are well-meaning but things are different these days. Still, humour them – as you too may be old one day. You are a child of the system. No less than a credit card, you have a right to be here. And, whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as your perceptions will allow it. Whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life let not prejudice and fear break down your walls of contentment. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; selfishness, corruption and self-defeating internal wars, emptiness, disappointment, carelessness and hate, fear, persecution, home-spun comforting philosophy and people, it is still a beautiful contract.
By the last plane out, to the tug operator: “Be carefree; strive to be vapid; pushback when ready”
and with some finality: ” Ground, disconnect and jump aboard. We’re outa here”
And, Calli, building stuff which doesn’t fall down.
Another example of an absolutist field.
“Gladys “
I have my issues with Gladys but I’ll take her any day over Palachook and her deputy premier, Steven Miles. Both Palachook and Miles and disgraceful.
The said nong is now telling Rita that Kyle Sandilands is a decent human being. This idiot is a chief entertainment writer of News Corp. it figures.
are disgraceful.
It was incubation, limited by time. How does that compare to say an entire nation of 350 million with with some states under severe lockdown others under much less severe lockdown, different climate, the impact of the jab.
Explain how it’s even possible to make comparisons with bunch of people locked on a ship for a relatively short period of time.
your and your..
Found youse.
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Already explained JC. Look at the USA overall numbers. There was no vax for half that time, the early months the spread was just getting going and the vax took a while to roll out after it was available.
Lower than Diamond Princess overall despite Cuomo’s best effort in NY state.
Too bad you took the clot shot. You may live (or die) to regret it.
Emojis don’t work here.
Hi Mote. The emojis don’t work. You just get random question marks. Good to see you.
Brucie
Brucie,
Doing a basic degree in cloud naming in the early 70’s and then pretending he’s an engineer is bullshit.
I’ll take a stab and say the DP had a larger old age cohort in relation to the general population.
JC – We have 18 months of “data” not 18 months of data.
You should be aware of this problem by now.
The Diamond Princess is a very rare, possibly unique experiment in this Covid cycle. The data generated by it is internally consistent and irrefutable, since it was followed with such close coverage. Of about 3,500 passengers 700 odd got symptomatic Covid and seven died. That is assumed to be the Alpha strain, due to the timing. Consequently you can infer that 2,800 people were immune or were so weakly affected they didn’t know they had it, despite the great level of fear stalking that cruise ship at the time.
Delta is more contagious but less deadly, as we’ve seen. That is in keeping with standard epidemiology, as Lizzie could tell you. From what I am seeing Delta is working pretty much as Alpha – a large proportion of the population are either naturally immune or are so weakly affected it takes a PCR test to see if they have been infected. All of which is totally consistent with the Diamond Princess data, with adjustment for the different virulence of the Delta strain.
Thanks Callie.
Good to see a new place.
I hope the walls don’t get stained, or the furniture broken.
The Diamond Princess study looked specifically at asymptomatology and age groups and their relative susceptibility to infection and the overall rate of infection. It’s results are fairly definitive:
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.10.2000180
Limp, JC.
Why don’t you get a pilots’ license and come back to us.
Or maybe run an acid plant.
See how you go.
You haven’t explained shit. All you’ve tried to do is win an argument through the pretense of authority. You have zero, you yapping chihuahua.
What fucking numbers you deadshit. Those that carry the asymptomatic estimates or not?
And the boat was artificial because of how people related to one another and then the entire social setting disappearing once they met the shore. At the time it was good data because it was very early. That’s all we had in comparison at the time vs now.
Oh do fuck off, you old pretentious dunderhead.
It’s rich mahogany, Motelier!
We are more likely to break ourselves on it, than it breaks under us…
Cronkite that article you link to is dated 12 March 2020. That’s like looking at something from the Renaissance ans calling it up to date.
Bruce of Newcastlesays:
September 2, 2021 at 9:04 pm
I agree, although I note several virologists are saying the statistical decline in virulence of the Delta maybe a factor of the vaccination rates. I am not aware of any comparison of populations where the vaccination rate is significantly different so as to test that hypothesis. If Delta is more infectious and as virulent as the Alpha all bets are off.
Ummm…
I am speechless. Liberal shill?
Because I don’t want to and have never wanted to fly a plane. To me it would be about as interesting as driving a car on a deserted highway heading in a straight line. Boring.
Brucie, No I had no interest in running an acid plant. Should it for data analysis?
For what, data analysis? You’ve got to be kidding.
Are you serious?
Cronkite that article you link to is dated 12 March 2020. That’s like looking at something from the Renaissance ans calling it up to date.
It is not an article but a PR paper under ideal experimental conditions. It is definitive for the Alpha strain for the variables I listed. There have been other studies subsequent to it which are in accord with it but I can’t be bothered linking to them as I am preparing gifts for my wife’s birthday.
Gez,
NSW is getting a higher rate of vaccinations because they are literally forcing people to have them.
Yeah klondike you pillock, that was, like, nearly this time last year, before delta, let alone the Indian Strain, the Omega Seamaster, Delta Goodrem 3.0, gamma, Bananarama, the South African Strain, or Chilean Tempranillo blends.
Do get with the program: Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
JC
You are pushing shit up hills and falling down valleys!
Tell me what conclusions you have formed from 19 months of Government and Ancillary Data?
Go
I’m not here to debate the numbers.
The fact that Pfeizer are really trying on regular pills post COVID vaccination and Chinese plebs literally got anal probed to get swabbed for COVID, should tell you is a ridiculous carnival of human failure.
There are simply no young Australians who were healthy (not comorbidities, obesity or underlying conditions) who died with, let alone from COVID.
That is arguably less worse than a bad cold.
Oxbridge boffins are already claiming COVID-22 now as well.
They literally want to make this night mare 3 – 4 years long, tops.
They love this the way some misguided patriots in WWII loved the war. It was exciting and made them feel important.
You know this how?
No, it’s not. The Diamond P was very important for the time, but not anymore.
Adding to the earlier points I made.
The age cohort wasn’t representative of the population.
The living environment is different.
The ship was important for the time as we had nothing to go one. It’s a relic now.
Cohenite – My mistake. I said “virulence” meaning “infectiousness”, although rereading what I wrote it still technically works. Delta is more infectious but less virulent than Alpha. (Alpha not being much worse than swine flu, in reality.) With the natural selective advantage of non-symptomatic infection you would assume the emerging strains will become less and less damaging, since if they are more harmful they’d be squelched more effectively.
comr
It looks like Suicide Sutton is in some difficulty in the witness box at the icook foods inquiry.
nightmare, 3 – 4 years, at a minimum!
That’s the whole point.
It was the worst case of worst case scenarios.
Really? We know almost nothing. I think we know shit all about this virus. What you see and anticipate in one environment will be altogether different somewhere else in a similar setting.
So you’re saying JC that since it’s a year later than last year we should not assume that gravity still works and that 737s can still fly? Okaay.
Be aware that absolutists and relativists think differently. And relativists are like Icarus when they get too close to very hot black swans.
Sorry if this seems weird, my nephew loved bloody Thomas and I think it is hilarious someone wrote a mythical history for the Island of Sodor.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Island_of_Sodor
*Michael Colden, Abbot of Cronk, and Sir Geoffrey Regaby had thought about the possibility of the reformation and both thought it wrong for people to be harassed or persecuted. They were also aware of King Henry’s wishes and of Cromwell’s thievish plans, and were determined to ensure that the Abbey revenues were kept for the Church and Sodor, not wasted. To this period, 1540 onwards, many churches and schools were built on the island where they were most needed, and in many of these the former brethren of the Abbey found employment. Their policy of “no pressure” ensured that during the reign of Edward VI relations between Roman Catholics and the Church of England were good, and the Roman Catholic reaction, which swept swiftly through England during Queen Mary’s reign, hardly touched Sodor. Colden died in 1565, but his policy was continued by Timothy Smeale, allowing Roman Catholics to worship at their churches. It was in 1570, when Pope Pius Bull excommunicated Queen Elizabeth I, that some reluctantly felt that they must be recusants, and worship separately. They made it understood that, while on the subject of religion they could not accept Queen Elizabeth as Head of the Church, this did not make their loyalty to her waver. By 1600, most of the people of that generation had died and as children leaned towards the Church of England there remained no ill feeling.*
Seeing as how the day shift has apparently gone to bed, I will stump up here and do the team thing by introducing some discussion points:
1. PfLIEzer;
2. Guard DoGs; and
3. CELL-a-fane.
That’s true, but it wasn’t what Eyrie was talking about. That analytical data genius was telling us about the number of people that contract it in a population. We don’t know unless we also estimate the asymptomatic. He says he doesn’t care about the asymptomatic. That’s not really counting prevalence then.
WWII ended today, on the deck of the USS Missouri.
Oustanding. Cop that, nippers.
Brucie, If you want to make a point – at least a strong one- then don’t use analogies. Just make the argument. Analogies generally are argumentatively weak.
I’m looking around and nothing I see is on fire. 🙂
What. An. Arsehole.
https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/coronavirus/2021/08/why-you-dont-need-worry-about-covid-22
I am getting sick of this. Delta, Delta +, Lambda, COVID 22 ….very few people dying now; no young and healthy people in Australia.
That makes my random unacknowledged quoting of Ricky Roma, Dr Evil & David Lynch look pretty normal.
Not at all weird Dot. I’ve been reading 1633 by Flint and Weber, except when distracted by JC.
Bloody Thomas, Earl Strafford, features. As does Cromwell, and some excellent humour at the expense of Irish Americans.
NOT young and healthy people in Australia.
you make it sound like getting VX’nated is a bad thing 🙂
& it begins tomorrow.
I think it is quite weird we could have had a King Jasper.
Jasper Tudor might have got installed by enemies of de la Pole & Edward IV earlier on as regent for Henry VII earlier on (Lancaster win the War of the Roses earlier on); then he might have been favoured by a Parliament, the Lords or just plain seized power.
No, I got the Dr Evil ones.
Me either JC, except for Gladys’ fluffy undies.
Slide rule chat above reminded me of how much we rely on modern electronics like computers, chronometers and calculators.
One of my more esoteric skills is being able navigate and fix a position on the Earth’s surface using sextant, chronometer, calculator and nautical tables.
Just as an academic exercise, I have been attempting to duplicate the mathematics required to fix a position on the earth’s surface without the calculator or tables in an attempt to emulate Captain Cook and others in the great age of exploration of the late 18th C.
The longer I scrawl my calculations without modern aids the more unbelievable my fix becomes.
If I was Cook’s navigator he would have run aground in Madagascar or somewhere.
Lol Brucie.
Go to bed FFS . It’s 7 hours past your bedtime.
which, btw, actually says quite a lot
MatrixTransformsays:
September 2, 2021 at 9:38 pm
VX is a nerve gas.
you make it sound like getting VX’nated is a bad thing ?
If you are the one being VX’nated, it is a bad thing. Your enemies, not so much.
I tried to post a link to an image of a regal hound that Newcat simply won’t accept, in any format.
No biggie.
You could google the breed names but accept that google is so way up there with damning all dogs to keep the likes of PETA happy, that when they deliver it’s usually with the ugliest, lest flattering of say, Borzois, Deerhounds, etc.
JC
To be a successful ‘trader’ you need to know other successful ‘traders’.
Yes or No???
just asking your opinion and that is all my intent.
You aren’t descended from the navigators of the Dutch ships, wrecked off the coast of Western Australia, are you?
Smell of victory! 😀
No.
That is a highly relevant question.
The argument is about the rate of transmission.
If the symptomatic transmissions are 15% and the asymptomatic transmissions are 40% …
Clear something up for me.
Can asymptomatic people shed the viral particles or not?
Can asymptomatic people shed the viral particles or not?
Yes, which is confounding the stats.
First it was false promises of freedom if you comply and when it got to the level demanded suddenly that was no longer enough. More and more is demanded or no jobs, never mind no travel or other freedoms.
I thought we may be set free next year when ScoMo loses the election but Albo is just as bad. I wonder where the unions stand.
Zulu, the Dutch aiming for present day Indonesia could work out latitude pretty easily with their fairly primitive instruments, but had to guess their longitude, so they would sail to a given latitude then turn East and bash into the Abrolhos Islands or the west coast of Oz.
Old records estimate about 30% of their ships never made it back to Holland until the chronometer was perfected.
Cook’s maps of the East coast of Australia are still usable today, accurate to within one nautical mile of a GPS reading.
Astonishing skills from the past.
people pushing the dangers of covid are market manipulators.
How much money does po’ old Dan Andrews and his ‘mob’ have?
As Campbell Newman said tonight what is the purpose of vaccine passports if the asymptomatic vaccinated people can infect others? I think they would be even more dangerous as unvaccinated infected people would very likely display symptoms and stay away.
Look at this poor bastard:
Chinese man imprisoned after ‘super toilet plunger’ he designed was ruled to be a gun grip released after sentence shortened
The ATO now hounds you through text.
“Hi JC,
A reminder your …. activity statement payment of $. …is due ….If you have paid recently, thank you.
Visit ato.gov.au/howtopay for information on payment and support options.
Help is available if you have been affected by COVID-19, bushfires or other disasters.
Visit ato.gov.au/disasters.
Australian Taxation Office”
Unreal.
DHHS too
No symptoms, and feeling fine?
Get tested you may be a supa-speader
Robodebt!
Robotax!
RoboUnclean!
The left would be all up in arms, if the ‘borgs weren’t fighting for their causes this time.
Conservative? Really?
Had one of my lovely wife’s lovely vet friends for dinner. (she’s kinda hot and sorta uncomplicated- Pedro, dm me for details). Lovely girl, active, big brains, within five minutes she and the old school were free-associating dex mgs per kg to treat ketonic terrapins… or something.
For some weird reason, she got double AZ/YouTube shots.
Vomited for two days, migraines for another nine.
Some smart people sure are stupid.
Health orders? Really?
Breaking news.
The Dandenong Council health inspector involved in the i-Cook scandal has made a startling admission to the Parliamentary enquiry.
“I didn’t plant a slug. I gave birth.”
How to dodge perjury, Vic style:
“That diametrically opposite evidence I gave the other day, I don’t have to explain it, coz it was erroneous evidence and I apologize for it. I am sorry if that evidence confused anybody”
Onya Sutto, you’re doing real well under cross examination.
Where’s that from Sal?
The Hun:
Oh ho ho ho.
Also giving evidence is the new Deputy CHO. Having binned Annaliese van Diemen, they’ve gone with…..
Dr. Angie Bone. Really.
You know you’re getting old when you shazam a funky tune you hear for the first time & realise it’s 2-3 years old.
You know you’re getting old when you’re in Coles, thinking “man this store plays some bangin’ tuuuunes!”.
I know two female vets who are all for the vax, think it’s all good; and another one (male) who is extremely sceptical, and who is doing a lot of research including into that naughty substance that shall remain nameless. Apparently he’s coming down on the side of don’t touch the jabs.
Dan is finding out (again) that double-crossing a Grik chick has consequences.
Over and over.
Until one of you is die.
The other day I was a zoom with a couple of my staff & one of their phones started ringing with pop song ring tone.
I asked is that BlackPink ? (BlackPink is a K-Pop group that’s been around for years that my staff introduced me to a couple of months ago).
They go, Noooo, it’s so & so (some new K-Pop band or something) & that BlackPink was old.
I felt like I was Abe Simpson.
‘bern.
Get a lip piercing, neck tat, wear three-quarter length pants and ride a skateboard into the office.
Immediate cool points.
Abe Simpson “I used to be with it”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DlTexEXxLQ
I feel like this all the time now.
I don’t want to be cool Leigh Lowe.
I just don’t want to be an old man while still in my 40’s.
Who the hell is Lee Low?
And, trust me on this.
No matter how cool you think you are, to the millenials you are still the boss and you are still really really old at 40-something.
Sad but true.
That’s the essence of Sutto’s response to questions today.
He said to an earlier parliamentary enquiry that he “had” to close down icook asap, without waiting for facts or info, coz “a woman had died, & icook food provided the hospital tucker, coz urgent”
He faced some difficulty within seconds of that answer, coz the supplementary was: “There were five other firms providing food to that hospital, making six in total, why is it that you closed only icook foods?”
Until the moment that supplementary question was put, brainy switched on, in command, across the facts, general smart guy Sutto was totally unaware there were five other companies also sending tucker into the hospital.
Humiliation. Turns out it was merely “erroneous evidence”, so nothing to worry about. Tough luck for anybody who mighta been “confused” by it.
flying pigs are famous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4-r8Vx8qM