2,014 thoughts on “Open Thread – Weekend 25 Sept 2021”

  1. Dr Faustus

    James’ main research interest is in finding practical policy solutions to address climate change.

    So in other words not actually doing anything practical..
    Just telling other people what legislation they should shit all over working people to make them do the work.


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  2. What electrical power shortages do for your economy:

    this is the principle of war, you must be prepared to take heavy casualties. Is there any doubt that we are at war with china?

    read jeffersons letter I posted earlier. understand the reasoning behind the words.


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  3. We are in year 2 of a nationwide self harm event.
    All normal libertiues are now at the whim of unelected health mongs.

    But closing down the ABCcess would be a bridge too far?
    None of the arguments about “oh it would be hard” are worth a pinch of shit anymore, saying they have legislated protection means less than nothing, the entire nation has legislated protections against government overreach, how are they looking?

    This is the new rules, government can do what it likes to anybody and anything.

    Honestly, somethimes I think there is some sneaky algorithm out there that means that some readers get different words than what I wrote.

    I didn’t say they couldn’t do it, I said that they didn’t want to do it. That is, not enough of them wanted it enough, and I estimate of the total coalition MPs, about half were dead against it, including the entire junior coalition partner’s MPs.

    You have no idea how passionately the Nats believe in the importance of TheirABC to their constituents, despite all evidence to the contrary. Add to that the wets in the Libs, of whom there are many.

    No PM is going to risk busting up the Coalition and being made to look like an idiot over this issue. Not then, not now, not ever.

    Get used to it.


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  4. “Fresh from his Well Earned Break, AJ’s replacement on 2GB seems to be working himself into a hysterical fit over Unpeople getting the same freedoms at the same time as Vaxxpeople.
    Definitely deserves a Well Earned Slap.”

    This will be the mantra all day from the governments new commercial pravda arm 2GB und Channel Nien .
    Get ready for the screaming army of Karens over the airwaves, “death to the unclean”


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  5. BTW…I’ll repeat, Mr Donaldson, Mary’s father, was not “pissed” at the wedding in Copenhagen in 2004.

    Quite possibly so, though I can’t see the importance of it either way, but he did indeed make that comment. His speech is up on YouTube. It was a JOKE. I seriously doubt that there was any planning involved in the couple meeting. There would have been tens of thousands more eligible partis around. It just happened but why would that stop him from alluding to an (now) amusing historical fact? Or boasting just a little about his background? He was dressed in a kilt, after all.


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  6. UAP should put their efforts into the Senate and one or two House seats they have a chance at. City electorates are not the ones, too many mongs. Is the Hunter going to go to One Nation?


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  7. Some good news at least…Europeans thrashed in the Ryder Cup.

    I’m not sure that many people would welcome a win by the US. They typically exhibit all the charm of the Australian cricket team.


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  8. Anthony Albanese@AlboMP

    This government has a climate of division. They’re divided within their own parties, and when they get together as a Coalition. This division is leaving Australia behind as the world moves forward on renewables.

    Albo making with the zingers.
    Signs of concern that Morrison has parked on his front lawn.


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  9. News Ltd is drowning in riviers of gold from government and pharma, also maaaaaates all over the place calling in favours and applying pressure to help NSW liberals and Morrison by getting to 80%, implementing the social credit apparatus, etc.

    Hence the reign of terror from Sky, etc.

    Also a large portion of the professional middle class are latent nazis, but that’s always been the case.


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  10. Out: We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be.
    In: We shall defend our island, unless it means paying more for a toaster at BigW.

    that’s it in a nutshell


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  11. This government has a climate of division. They’re divided within their own parties, and when they get together as a Coalition. This division is leaving Australia behind as the world moves forward on renewablesfascism.

    truth in advertising!


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  12. We must understand what is at stake here.

    Parallel institutions will not cut it.

    When I grew up the left played the game we are in, when they didn’t get what they wanted they escalated till they got what they wanted.

    Macron has ignored the yellow vests for months. Macron has ignored 11 weekends of anti vax passport protests. Macron is a fascist, he will escalate before the protestors do.

    it starts with civil disobedience. if that fails, you either surrender or you escalate.

    Dictator dan has pre-empted the escalation, they know this game, it’s built into their dna. They all are attempting to stifle the escalation. panic over jan 6. criminalise a vague idea of incitement. incitement to what? freedom and rights, that’s what.

    we want our right and freedoms back. thats the real issue. fuck vaccinations. fuck passports. fuck social credit. and fuck the fascists.


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  13. rosie, Singapore pared back it’s reopening 3 days ago. Back to work at home and increased restrictions. Find it hard to believe anywhere will be open by Christmas, Government has chosen this hill to die on. Nowhere else in South East Asia is opening as well. A cat commented I think last year that he’d heard through an airline worker that they were already expecting it to last till 2023.


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  14. An unusual thing: a fairly reasonable piece by their ABC’s Ian Verrender.

    China’s Great Wall of Debt: can it afford a default?

    Focussed on the Chinese property market – obviously. But the same misallocation is spread more broadly across the Chinese economy.

    It’s the inevitable result of utter fuckwits slavishly following the CCP master plan.


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  15. I didn’t say they couldn’t do it, I said that they didn’t want to do it.

    Then they are completely useless.

    I am stuck with either ABCcess or a bog standard commercial radio station (all the songs you know and love, again, and again, and again…).
    The ABCcess has spent nearly every episode of the “country hour” for more than a decade telling farmers that if that pesky coalition would just put in a carbon mechanism they would all be farting through silk just for existing.
    Every article finds a way to shoehorn in its pet issues.

    Without the ABC the Overton window would be far, far more low government/pro business etc.
    Anyone who calls themselves conservative or at least non left cannot justify spending a billion dollars a year of “no enemies to the left” propaganda.

    Impossible is a crock of shit.
    Tie its sale/defunding to funding the NDIS.


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  16. Dirty dog Neil Mitchel rabbiting on about the Grand Final interspersed with gratitude that the protests have been crushed and that the government is bringing in vaccine passports.
    What a turd.
    Has a restaurant owner on and asks if he is willing to participate in the trial of the passport rollout.
    Owner says he would prefer to shut down rather than discriminate on vax status, but his financial situation means he might have to reopen, but he’ll prefer to serve everyone while keeping it as safe as possible.
    Wanker Mitchell then chirpily says “You might not have a choice you know”.
    All these years listening to these fucks without fully understanding what dirty, dirty stooges they are.
    I also notice that to listen to 3AW online you have to now sign up and give them all your details, name, email, phone everything. For what is a free to air radio station running on a government licence.
    So there you have it: The mainstream media strategy is complete capitulation to big government fascism, take the government ad revenue, spruik big sport, big business, toe and the party line and pretend this new world is life as usual. Fascism with cheery little segments about footy and tips on stain removal.
    Stop listening and supporting these fakes.


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  17. An unusual thing: a fairly reasonable piece by their ABC’s Ian Verrender.

    I once heard him opine that tax cuts to business were a handout.

    The government makes and owns all the money, you see.


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  18. Our rights and freedoms are not a carrot to be perpetually dangled in front of our noses in exchange for obedience.

    ‘Dr’ Stephen Miles disagrees with you.

    He said his conversations with Queenslanders had suggested they don’t want COVID-19 to cross the border, which would force the introduction of COVID restrictions.

    “I don’t think Queenslanders want to just give in this close to the end of the pandemic,” Mr Miles said.

    Not immediately clear where the “end of the pandemic” is located.


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  19. commercial radio station (all the songs you know and love, again, and again, and again…).

    ..
    Yeah well, you don’t get to control those old artist’s opinions and get them coming out indignantly about “right wingers” using their turgid old anthems at rallies, unless you keep them paid. And you keep them paid by playing their crap songs over and over again.


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  20. “Not immediately clear where the “end of the pandemic” is located.”

    The end of the pandemic in QLD, WA and Victoria will occur the day after Labor wins the 2022 election.


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  21. Singapore is a hub, it is amazing the destinations you can branch out from there. Handy place like Dubai to refuel as well. I reckon it would be transit traffic, below is a website updated 14 Sept scroll down for Singapore. 14 days stay at home order is in place (Hotel Quarantine for tourists).

    https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/worldwide/worldwide-travel-alerts

    Most transits don’t need to PCR test according to Changi website from certain destinations.


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  22. I haven’t looked recently but recall Japan’s debt was around 250% of GDP. Meanwhile it’s QE program has purchased at least half the government’s debt that is outstanding. One side of government – the finance ministry owes the Bank of Japan, which means the debt could essentially be netted (zeroed out).

    Since 2020, the Fed has purchased around US$1 trillion of debt and the US appears to be heading in the same direction as Japan.

    No economist has yet sensibly explained why the debt central banks have purchased can’t be eventually zeroed – where one side of the government no longer owes the other.

    Inflation. You’re welcome.


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  23. The end of the pandemic in QLD, WA and Victoria will occur the day after Labor wins the 2022 election.

    Speaking of which, according to Newspoll the Coalition would lose 6-10 seats if an election were held today.


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  24. Singapore is a hub.

    Yes, which is why I don’t see the argument that because Singapore is reintroducing domestic restrictions relevant to a discussion about international travel.
    Until Qantas shifted to Dubai they hubbed to Europe via Singapore and we never left the airport then either.


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  25. Director of News, Nine Sydney:

    Simon Hobbs
    @SimonHobbs9
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    Why is @GladysB even talking about freedoms for the unvaccinated? They will not get vaccinated if they think they are about to get the same freedoms as everyone else. And that puts us all at risk. Why raise it? Why even discuss it at this critical moment?
    #covid #Covid19

    If you were wondering about Nine News.


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  26. The end of the pandemic in QLD, WA and Victoria will occur the day after Labor wins the 2022 election.

    Correction.
    It will end a week before the election is called:-
    “Vote 1 Me. I kept youse safe.”


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  27. YOU WONT BELIEVE THIS!!! Facebook Vaccine Fact-Checkers FUNDED By Vaccine Manufacturers!!!
    Russell Brand

    Wait till he finds out all of the clinical trials and ‘studies’ are also funded directly or indirectly by manufacturers.


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  28. Simon Hobbs
    @SimonHobbs9
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    Why is @GladysB even talking about freedoms for the unvaccinated? They will not get vaccinated if they think they are about to get the same freedoms as everyone else. And that puts us all at risk. Why raise it? Why even discuss it at this critical moment?
    #covid #Covid19

    Do you even herd immunity?


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  29. No economist has yet sensibly explained why the debt central banks have purchased can’t be eventually zeroed – where one side of the government no longer owes the other.

    JC must have been high off the printing press ink.

    It’s called currency collapse and diminishing returns to seignorage.


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  30. Simon Hobbs
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    Why is @GladysB even talking about freedoms for the unvaccinated? They will not get vaccinated if they think they are about to get the same freedoms as everyone else. And that puts us all at risk.

    One little tweet he admits that:
    The vaccines don’t work as advertised – or at all.
    Imprisoning people without trial because they don’t agree with him is totally fine by him.

    Latent nazism burns in the shriveled hearts of the small souled bugman class.


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  31. Yet all of Scandinavia is now ‘free’ without a 100% vaccination rate which wouldn’t and can’t achieve 100% covid free because the vaccines aren’t a 100% effective.
    Gladys has over 85% first dose and will get close to same 2 dosed soon.
    What do these punishers want?


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  32. Thats a lot of Aldi bags of $5 notes…

    Pfizer CEO says life should be ‘back to normal’ within a year but refuses to rule out lifelong re-vaccinations as his COVID booster is approved for the elderly and high-risk
    Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said Sunday that he thinks the U.S. will return to normal within a year
    His company’s COVID-19 booster shot was approved last week by the CDC for elderly and at-risk individuals
    Bourla added that the most likely outcome is people will need to continue to get coronavirus booster vaccines annually
    Experts say booster shots could make Pfizer and BioNTech $26B in global sales
    Pfizer’s stock price has risen from $30.99 pre-pandemic to $43.94 toda
    y

    ‘I don’t think that this means that variants will not be continuing coming,’ Bourla countered. ‘And I don’t think that this means that we should be able to live our lives without having vaccinations, basically. But that’s – again, remains to be seen.’

    He said that the most likely outcome is that people will need to continue to get coronavirus booster vaccines annually, similar to how people get the flu shot each year to protect against the most likely variant of the influenza virus that year.
    ‘The most likely scenario for me, it is that, because the virus is spread all over the world, that we will continue seeing new variants that are coming out,’ he said. ‘And, also, we will have vaccines that – they will last at least a year.’

    ‘And I think the most likely scenario – it is annual re-vaccinations. But we don’t know, really. We need to wait and see the data,’ the pharmaceutical company chief added.

    We need to wait and see the data,’

    The best data our money can buy….


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  33. Arkysays:

    September 27, 2021 at 10:02 am

    Dirty dog Neil Mitchel rabbiting on about the Grand Final interspersed with gratitude that the protests have been crushed and that the government is bringing in vaccine passports.
    What a turd.

    If we all hold hands, sing Kumbaya and tie a yellow ribbon to the letterbox it will all be better.
    Arsewipe hasn’t lost a days pat through this and his show’s drama content writes itself every day.


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  34. IMO all this foot stomping about opening borders for tourism is the usual players stung from the collapse of the population ponzi suddenly caring about the B&B operators and Whitsunday Cafes. No tourist is going to travel 15-20 hours by air sometimes more if connections are involved to be quarantined for 2 weeks then repeat that process every time they cross an internal border. That’s without even considering the sword of domiciles that hangs of impromptu lockdowns if they did stay in 1 state. Na, I’m smelling University Campuses pushing this one just in time for the 2022 year.


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  35. I’m smelling University Campuses pushing this one just in time for the 2022 year.

    The plan is to bring 2 jumbos into Sydney for the NSW based uni’s.
    That’s 2 jumbos every 14 day cycle.
    1200 a month.


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  36. Why is @GladysB even talking about freedoms for the unvaccinated?

    Dropped the script.

    Speaking to 2GB, Deputy Premier John Barilaro said there would be a “stark difference” between what vaccinated and unvaccinated people can do under the plan.

    I think you’ll be surprised at what will be announced. If you want the freedoms we are talking about right across the board you’re going to have to be vaccinated,” he said.

    Very surprising.


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  37. Corporate media and government have completely merged, ideologically, class-wise, but now also financially.

    The money that they receive from ‘subscriptions’ is pocket change compared to the money flowing into the bank accounts via money laundering tax dollars, and pay-per-word cash flowing to them via ‘advertising’.


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  38. American Cops Will Stand Up to Bad Laws

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_jUSG56iI
    Sep 25, 2021
    Discernable
    Hearing from the leader of a church in the USA and how they are dealing with mandates on when and how they are allowed to hold worship services.

    It highlights the stark difference between the police of Australia and the police of the USA where the majority are people-serving and freedom-loving officers of the law, with the exception being bad actors.

    In Australia, the majority of police are simply enforces of the executive branch of government with the exception being people-serving and freedom-loving officers of the law.

    This is a harsh characterisation, however I’ve simply had too many off-the-record conversations now with great cops – serving and retired – to see it any other way. The great cops with a strong understanding of deontological ethics are in the minority.


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  39. The old “rivers of gold” used to flow from ordinary people – For Sale, Births, Deaths and Engagements, Positions Vacant.

    All gone.

    That gold has to come from somewhere – it’s still from ordinary people, but government clips the ticket and hands it on, strings attached.


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  40. I think you’ll be surprised at what will be announced. If you want the freedoms we are talking about right across the board you’re going to have to be vaccinated

    The comfortable assumption that they can lock you up without trial and tell you they’ll only release you if ingest a questionable product from a company. I cannot believe people are taking this total and complete top-down political revolution laying down.

    Also the forked tongue of Morrison running around saying this isn’t ‘mandatory’, they can’t make it ‘mandatory’, while his stooge in NSW makes it mandatory.


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  41. Arsewipe hasn’t lost a days pat through this and his show’s drama content writes itself every day.

    ..
    I did security at the 3AW hut in the Birdcage at the Melbourne Cup a few years ago.
    Nice life for some. Go to every Grand Final, Every grand prix, every Melbourne Cup. Free booze all day long, no interactions with the general public, Their bosses arriving by helicopter, behind a velvet rope and under security all the time.
    It’s not surprising these folks have zero awareness of reality. It’s surprising that they are able to professionally project a facsimile of the common touch on air at all.


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  42. Greg Barns SC – The Slow Death of Human Rights

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnYXToUxBdg

    Premiered Sep 23, 2021
    Discernable
    Greg Barns SC is the Spokesman for the Australian Lawyers Alliance and author of Rise of the Right: The War on Australia’s Liberal Values (2019).

    Admitted to the Victorian Bar in 1986, Greg has been very vocal against human rights abuses and has called for Australia to adopt a Bill of Rights to protect both its citizens and journalists who are tasked with scrutinising governments. He continues to practise as a barrister, lecture in law at RMIT and write for various publications.

    In this interview we discussed the erosion of human rights by powerful executive governments in their desperation to respond to Covid-19. Importantly, Greg stresses that the decline in human rights we are witnessing in Australia started long before and pandemic.

    ——————————————-

    New Orwellian Identify and Disrupt Laws
    https://youtu.be/23dP7JEPxWA

    GREG BARNS SC
    https://twitter.com/BarnsGreg
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-barn
    https://www.booktopia.com.au/rise-of-
    moderated

  43. About that promise of free dom (h/t Leak Jnr) at 80% double jabbed.

    Singapore 82% 12+ double jabbed reintroduces Covid restrictions.

    Never ending lockdowns and restrictions. 1984 stuff. It’s all there, they just don’t quite have the reach to exercise the necessary total control.


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  44. HDsays:
    September 27, 2021 at 10:26 am
    A Victorian speaks his’ opinion ever so eloquently on the state of national affairs. Likely speaks for the majority.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/PVzT0ENW7p7F/

    I don’t endorse that type of language, however, given the context, I found that rant extremely satisfying. Quite refreshing really and in direct contrast to the namby-pamby political correctness euphemism for lying.


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  45. Most uni courses are on line these days. No need to fly jumbo jets of students into Australia to attend live classes.
    Unless of course there is another agenda to be satisfied. Like the visa rorts or accommodation industry needing bodies.


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  46. There was a story in the ABC online about some 40 people mostly new arrivals who died at home in Sydney’s western suburbs from Covid. Although I take their stats as exaggerated as normal there will be at least a grain of truth there somewhere. If indeed this number people died at home, one can’t help but question that if they had been given a sheep dose pack with vitamin D etc as the government in UP in India is doing, that at least 85% of these deaths could have been prevented.
    I develop heightened immune response to a range of drugs and have been close to death in ICU earlier this year. I am petrified of the jab but if I get Covid I won’t be able even to take panadol due to response. I am left hanging on a limb as there is no access to a drug (horse pill) that I could take. Now I am to be treated as an outcast in the community I have contributed to because I have not been jabbed. I do not pose any threat to anyone else.


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  47. That’s 2 jumbos every 14 day cycle.
    1200 a month.

    Going to be fun when the inevitable happens and a large number of them test positive for heinous bat crud. Then start hotspots all over Sydney. I wonder what Gladys and the unis would do then?


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  48. HDsays:
    September 27, 2021 at 10:26 am
    A Victorian speaks his’ opinion ever so eloquently on the state of national affairs. Likely speaks for the majority.

    That was a splendid rant. On the money.


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  49. That horrible Qld chief “medical” officer sprouts to get your second jab of poison in 5 weeks after the first – used to be 12 for AstraZeneca (soon to be called Vaxzevria) – goal posts keep moving.

    And then the vile cloth eared bint says “and then you’ll be fully protected”

    FMD – like Israel.


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  50. I did security at a private function a decade ago.
    At a nondescript door on Commercial road.
    All evening very fashionable movers and shakers arriving, showing their pass and me smiling and letting them up. Dozens and dozens of them, smiling, polite good looking couples.
    At the end of the night the guy running it called me up to pay me off. Went up flights of stairs into this warehouse converted into a huge residential, luxury open plan mega apartment.
    They were all stark, bollocks naked.
    I went back down the stairs after he paid and thanked me, in a slightly confused state.
    Did I just see that? Did I just shake hands with a naked guy? What? What the?


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  51. Yet all of Scandinavia is now ‘free’ without a 100% vaccination rate which wouldn’t and can’t achieve

    Denmark removed all restrictions at 70% double-vaxxed. Norway is at 67%, all restrictions removed.

    Australia is planning on instituting a vaccine passport system at 80%. I don’t think this is stupidity, this is malicious bastardry. Importantly, because the SoE will be still in operation, opposition to this is criminalized.


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  52. And then the vile cloth eared bint says “and then you’ll be fully protected”

    FMD – like Israel.

    What a fucking shit show, it’s as if the Israel train wreck isn’t even happening.


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  53. Gerald Horne’s counter revolution against 1776
    progressives, as always rewriting history

    It is part of their schtick.

    Decide after the fact what people were really doing. They still do this in argument now, when you make a statement and they ignore what you clearly meant, select the one of the billions of notional premises that are verbally consistent with your words but most offensive, and accuse you of that.

    “I don’t like going to national parks much.”
    “So, you think people who go to national parks are stupid!”

    They could have assumed my statement related to distance from the parks, not personally being an outdoors person, being time-poor due to work, a preference for beaches, or even spending as much time as I can at an animal shelter. But they will go with the assumption I had people who go to national parks.

    Then there is the tendency to assume that people in other times were lying to us – even though they had no idea who we would be.

    Like the Stolen Generation where our ancestors kept no record of removing kids merely because they were Aboriginal. Now, if they really thought it was the right thing to do why would they be hiding it? They would be proud of it. They would in fact expected succeeding generations to inherit and carry the same reasoning forward. No need to hide it. Instead we find no record of any such policy. We read of policies of removing kids from conditions of neglect or violence. Missions. Vocational training of young women for domestic employment – just like white peeps.

    People might disagree as to the virtue of encouraging Aborigines to blend in with with mainstream Australian society, or of offering them food and blankets so they did not have to hunt, or removing a half-caste from a marginal existence on the periphery of a tribe instead of leaving them to be abused as not pure-blood, but it must surely be seen not to be acts of malice but offering the best that mainstream society saw itself as having to offer.

    And I really did not appreciate hearing my grandparents being accused of being complicit in ‘genocide’, a secret that they presumably withheld from me over the years I knew them.

    Anyway, same thing with characterising the American Revolution as being about maintaining slavery. The colonials had a lot on their minds. They didn’t spend all their time talking, thinking, worrying about it. The founding fathers did make sure that if they could not pick a fight with England and their own slave owners at the same time they would make sure there would be no obstacle to freeing the slaves when they got around to it – which they did less than a century later. Not bad for dealing with an institution harking back to prehistory. The men fighting to free the slaves were just as dead as the ones who died to free America from Britain.

    And what to make of the Africans who were still enslaving Africans? I will wager no progressive ‘thinker’ has bothered to address that one.


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  54. The only net zero we need. the only net zero we must attain is china net zero.

    zero trade with china. ZERO. no coal. no steel. ZERO.

    do not buy anything from china. question every supplier, every ebay seller. every amazon seller. every shopkeeper.

    use the logic of climate change to force net zero on china. china is a polluter it must be brought to heel by zero trade


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  55. If you’re going to be stupid about global warming at least do it in a sensible way: the brits going gung ho for mini nukes:

    Government poised to approve 16 mini nuclear reactors to hit net zero

    We can’t even fucking talk about it. Scomo had better get his head out of his arse and grow a pair soon. It is unfucking believable that he won the last election on the back of coal plus the recent upper Hunter by-election on coal yet the lnp are still tap dancing around this shit. The sad fact is scomo has a 1 seat majority and he has at least a dozen shitheads in the party who are either wearing possum skins or are to the left of the greens on global warming. But he has to call their bluff; if they cross the floor then call a snap election and disenfranchise the bastards like he wrongly did with Kelly.


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  56. HD says:
    September 27, 2021 at 10:26 am
    A Victorian speaks his’ opinion ever so eloquently …

    He certainly has emotion, rhythm, colour, pace and flair to his observations and recommendations. I’m giving that rant 5 stars Margaret.


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  57. The sad fact is scomo has a 1 seat majority and he has at least a dozen shitheads in the party who are either wearing possum skins or are to the left of the greens on global warming.

    I see Darren Chester has spat the dummy.

    Will not attend the Nats party room because of “extreme right wing views” held by some colleagues, namely Christensen and Canavan.

    Apparently Littleproud’s comment about the scum of society needing to be locked up was OK.


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  58. Mother Lodesays:
    September 27, 2021 at 10:57 am

    progressives, as always rewriting history

    It is part of their schtick.

    Decide after the fact what people were really doing. They still do this in argument now, when you make a statement and they ignore what you clearly meant, select the one of the billions of notional premises that are verbally consistent with your words but most offensive, and accuse you of that.

    Yep, we see it every day.


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  59. The money that they receive from ‘subscriptions’ is pocket change compared to the money flowing into the bank accounts via money laundering tax dollars, and pay-per-word cash flowing to them via ‘advertising’.

    Yep. Hundreds of millions in gov advertising every year. Media does not want small government, and they absolutely love ‘nudge politics’ given that will involve much advertising. The networks are making a motza from the government vaccination advertising blitz at the moment.


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  60. HDsays:
    September 27, 2021 at 10:26 am
    A Victorian speaks his’ opinion ever so eloquently on the state of national affairs. Likely speaks for the majority.

    Quite so.

    eloquence – 10/10
    grammar – 10/10
    creative use of old and middle english in an outdoor setting – 10/10


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  61. A totalitarian society is one in which an ideology seeks to displace all prior traditions and institutions with the goal of bringing all aspects of society under control of that ideology. Wherever totalitarian philosophy has ruled, it has begun to destroy the essence of man – Hannah Arendt

    And you no longer need tanks on the street to implement it.

    A social credit system will do.


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  62. We are not fighting against honourable men. Is Dan Andrews an honourable man? Is biden and his clan honourable men? Is adam schiff and honourable man? is macron an honourable man? is chairman Xi an honourable man?

    NO! This is not an honorable fight. And they have set the rules.


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  63. I see Darren Chester has spat the dummy.
    Will not attend the Nats party room because of “extreme right wing views” held by some colleagues

    The Nats need to become a party of men without Chesters.
    /Calli


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  64. zipster

    we want our right and freedoms back. thats the real issue. fuck vaccinations. fuck passports. fuck social credit. and fuck the fascists.

    I was with you until the last four words. I like a bit of adventure, but I do have limits.

    Or do you mean metaphorically only?


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  65. I did security at the 3AW hut in the Birdcage at the Melbourne Cup a few years ago.
    Nice life for some. Go to every Grand Final, Every grand prix, every Melbourne Cup. Free booze all day long, no interactions with the general public

    Last week during the “end of days earthquake event” 3AW lost phone comms but it seems they had dedicated comms lines to their “on air talent” at home (presumably set up for LockDan broadcasting).
    Very instructive as to where our frontline earthquake correspondents were reporting from :-
    “The chandeliers in the ballroom were swaying here in Brighton, Tony”
    “It certainly rattled the windows in the orangerie at our place in Alphington, TJ”
    “Well, Tony, here in Kew I was fearful my bottles of Chateau Lafite ’82 would fall onto the floor of the cellar”.


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  66. Matt Gaetz Backpedals, Says Red Flag Law Was A “Staff Error”
    by Vince Quill 3 hours ago

    A staff error?

    As many of you already know, 135 Republicans betrayed our trust, and voted against one of our nation’s most sacred rights, at a time when we see tyranny rearing its ugly head in the once great nation of Australia.

    There were a lot of surprising names on the list of GOP politicians who voted for the bill, but now Matt Gaetz has come out to say this:
    https://welovetrump.com/2021/09/26/matt-gaetz-backpedals-says-red-flag-law-was-a-staff-error/?utm_source=PTN&utm_medium=mixed&utm_campaign=PTN

    They VOTED FOR, confiscating guns, conscripting women and –
    ” it gives @SecDef Austin the power to label troops as “extremists” & remove them from the military.
    How is “extremist” defined? It isn’t. It’s totally up to Austin
    .”


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  67. Rockdoctorsays:

    September 27, 2021 at 11:26 am

    Chester gone, meh. Another hollow man. Vic Nats seem more stuffed than most.

    Not “gone”, gone.
    Lost his ministry position so chucked the dollies from the pram.
    But still picking up that juicy backbench paycheck and accruing super.


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  68. Civil disobedience hasn’t even started yet and won’t start till the vax is seen as failed. Use alinskie’s rules against the left, against social media, against the fascists. Don’t break the law. Let the hot heads run up against the storm troopers.

    Use the words of jefferson, understand the principles at stake, correct the misinformation of the population. calm the fears and the hate. pacify them, bring the people on side one at a time. If some eggs must be broken so be it.

    Their billions of dollars are of no value against the billions of us freedom loving people.


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  69. Yep. Hundreds of millions in gov advertising every year. Media does not want small government, and they absolutely love ‘nudge politics’ given that will involve much advertising. The networks are making a motza from the government vaccination advertising blitz at the moment.

    That is it, but also it has been a mistake, a huge mistake over the last 50 years for conservatives to box themselves into only looking at things from an economic and money perspective. A bad hangover from the terrible decisions in by the Buckley faction in the cold war to focus exclusively on the economic fight against communism and completely ignore the cultural / class fight. Dismissing as nonsense 100 years of carefully studied class / power observations and arguments from the communists that had unlocked them so much success politically.

    Social class and solidarity matters in politics and power, so yes there’s money flowing into these companies but that’s only half the story. The other half is huge chunks of the professional middle class – particularly corporate – are total weirdos man.


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  70. srr

    Former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia warns our supply chains are not secure in Australia, specifically diesel which drives critical infrastructure such as agriculture and defense.

    Time to move to coal-to-liquid.


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  71. Oh, about those submarines…

    Hartcher conveniently ignores the key factor for the change which the government stated quite clearly – the strategic environment has changed since the diesel subs were planned for. With their greater range and endurance our future nuclear subs can be more easily deployed to the South China Sea & the Taiwan Strait in cooperation with our allies. Diesel subs would not have been able to operate as effectively in that environment.


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  72. Sooo…Gladys will let me go back to church when 80% are vaccinated.

    But they have to exercise “extreme caution”. What does that even mean?

    And, I see you Gladys. That little concession wasn’t aimed at Christians now, was it?


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  73. Nuclear option:

    We can’t even fucking talk about it. Scomo had better get his head out of his arse and grow a pair soon.

    Way, way too late for Yesterday’s Man to have any input into an Australian nuclear industry.

    The stupid man has had his card marked by the Biden Administration for the November 2021 Glasgow COP. He won’t be PM after May 2022.


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  74. Cassie of Sydney says:
    September 27, 2021 at 11:51 am
    How long before we see riots/pogroms against the “scum”…aka the un-vaccinated?

    Not soon enough. There’s always someone or a group that deserves a good hiding.


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  75. Old School Conservativesays:
    September 27, 2021 at 10:47 am
    Most uni courses are on line these days. No need to fly jumbo jets of students into Australia to attend live classes.
    Unless of course there is another agenda to be satisfied. Like the visa rorts or accommodation industry needing bodies.

    Tch, tch, tch, such cynicism!


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  76. Dover to be fair I think both those Danish and Norwegian figures are misleading.
    Denmark has 83% of eligible (over 12s) vaccinated.
    Norway’s figure are 83.8 % of 18 years and older.


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  77. Way, way too late for Yesterday’s Man to have any input into an Australian nuclear industry.

    It’s really quite funny in a tragic way.

    We’re dismantling significant energy assets and they’re being replaced with plastic panels and propellers on sticks.
    Unreal.


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  78. Arky

    At the end of the night the guy running it called me up to pay me off. Went up flights of stairs into this warehouse converted into a huge residential, luxury open plan mega apartment.
    They were all stark, bollocks naked.

    Relax. They were just filming a local version of Eyes Wide Shut.


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  79. That is it, but also it has been a mistake, a huge mistake over the last 50 years for conservatives to box themselves into only looking at things from an economic and money perspective. A bad hangover from the terrible decisions in by the Buckley faction in the cold war to focus exclusively on the economic fight against communism and completely ignore the cultural / class fight. Dismissing as nonsense 100 years of carefully studied class / power observations and arguments from the communists that had unlocked them so much success politically.

    Social class and solidarity matters in politics and power, so yes there’s money flowing into these companies but that’s only half the story. The other half is huge chunks of the professional middle class – particularly corporate – are total weirdos man.

    Of course. That they have accepted this with alacrity is because COVID has been largely a class/ status marker. The rivers of dollars is the cream.


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  80. Go read the LinkedIn feed.

    If you want to feel trapped in a cult, have a network of 100 corporate employees then watch your LinkedIn feed.

    It’s a river of 150k a year, new cars, 750k house, 0.8 children, 102 IQ insanity.

    But more so it is brutal in its enforcement of orthodoxy. Not LinkedIn, but the mob. It’s real people operating under real names. Nobody steps out of line in that place, not if they want to keep working in a profession anywhere ever again. Even the boldest people I know, who run their own businesses and are pretty solid are de-balled in that place.

    It’s a pure manifestation of the professional middle class’s society, built by them, for them, gushing morality and virtue about every corporate sponsored moral issue of the moment, it’s purely awful!


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  81. Mother Lode

    “I don’t like going to national parks much.”
    “So, you think people who go to national parks are stupid!”

    Response: “Dunno are you a typical example?”


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  82. Dover to be fair I think both those Danish and Norwegian figures are misleading.
    Denmark has 83% of eligible (over 12s) vaccinated.
    Norway’s figure are 83.8 % of 18 years and older.

    Even so, that still doesn’t explain instituting a discriminatory regime at a time where countries with the similar vaccination rates are removing them and they are going into winter season while we are moving into the summer season.


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  83. It’s a pure manifestation of the professional middle class’s society, built by them, for them, gushing morality and virtue about every corporate sponsored moral issue of the moment, it’s purely awful!

    Sounds like Hell.


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  84. I agree Dover.
    The only difference I can see is those countries have had widespread circulation of covid and we have a couple of states clinging fiercely to covid-zero.


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  85. Dover to be fair I think both those Danish and Norwegian figures are misleading.
    Denmark has 83% of eligible (over 12s) vaccinated.
    Norway’s figure are 83.8 % of 18 years and older.

    And we also know that the Danes do not enforce the Responsible Service of Alcohol at weddings


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  86. John Adams
    @adamseconomics
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    1h
    Police cars revolving light BREAKING Police cars revolving light

    NSW Premier
    @GladysB
    confirms that UNVACCINATED CITIZENS will be free from 1 December 2021 once an arbitrary 90% double dose target is met.

    VACCINE PASSPORTS are not based on scientific or medical evidence, it was a COERCIVE BLUFF for citizens to get JABBED!

    confirmation?


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  87. Gladys Freedomfest:

    At 80% double jabbed:

    • Churches and places of worship can continue to open with one person per 4 sqm, with no singing. Those who are not fully vaccinated will be allowed.

    At 90% double jabbed:

    • Churches and places of worship can operate with one person per 2 sqm, with singing permitted.

    Clearly some serious science has gone into this last 10%.

    Woe betide anyone breaking into song at 89%…


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  88. I see Darren Chester has spat the dummy

    Hmmm.

    Chester was born in Sale, Victoria, the son of a plumber, and was one of five children.

    Prior to entering federal politics, he worked as a newspaper and television journalist throughout Gippsland and was chief of staff to Peter Ryan, the leader of the Nationals in the Victorian state parliament

    A favourite of the ABC regional radio harpies. Slick useless windbag.


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  89. UNVACCINATED CITIZENS will be free from 1 December 2021 once an arbitrary 90% double dose target is met.

    No nation has ever got close to 90%. A quick scan suggests Portugal at 84% is highest. So that won’t happen.

    And yes it is a bluff. They have zero legal / constitutional right to impose these arbitrary and discriminatory restrictions. [A vaccinated person can spread the disease just as easily as a vaccinated – no further argument required]


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  90. Based on current trends Vic will pass NSW in relation to new cases this week.
    I can only imagine the army of IStandWithDan social media types warming up the fingers.
    And Dan would have focus grouped a one liners.
    No doubt St Lisa will give a sermon on The Project this week where she’ll avoid saying anything about the true origins of COVID but blame NSW for the ongoing Victorian predicament.


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  91. At 90% double jabbed:

    • Churches and places of worship can operate with one person per 2 sqm, with singing permitted.

    I still cannot see how church leaders can agree to this.


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  92. • Churches and places of worship can continue to open with one person per 4 sqm, with no singing. 

    Sancho’s next business venture is looking good.
    “Hymns for Humming”.


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  93. cohenite says:
    September 27, 2021 at 12:58 pm
    4 minutes of Trump at his rally; worth a lifetime of any other politician:

    What’s more, Trump does comedy better than any comedian claiming that description today.


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  94. And yes it is a bluff. They have zero legal / constitutional right to impose these arbitrary and discriminatory restrictions.

    Correct.
    A ”mandate” is not law.
    A CHO ”health order” is not law.
    The Constitution trumps any state of emergency or mandate or declaration or ”health” order.


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  95. I still cannot see how church leaders can agree to this.

    Oh any number of reasons.

    Fear of what Twitter and the press will say.
    Govt funding stopped.
    Don’t really give a toss about souls in their care.
    Don’t believe in the teaching, traditions and dogmas of the Church.
    They want to be liked and to be seen as ”modern”.
    Because the Pope goes along with it all.


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  96. On Trump’s speech:

    Compare and contrast –

    2021 – American military leaves millions of dollars worth of equipment in Afghanistan for a hostile regime to deploy against America’s allies

    1945 – American military tips millions of dollars of equipment into the sea off Luganville, New Hebrides because the poor locals couldn’t afford to buy it from them.


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  97. Not a bad line…

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-week-that-perished-157/
    Still, his task is not exactly herculean. Not only is America weak in the knees, so are Xi’s more immediate neighbors. Soon enough the median age in Japan will be 80, and South Korea has soundly fallen to androgynous boy bands.

    Perhaps the only people in the region who might be able to stand up to China are the Australians. Though previously regarded as happy-go-lucky beer-drinking goofballs, this year the Aussies have truly shined as a particularly brutal bunch of sadists, beating and shooting and stomping their own people—including women and children—for violating lockdowns and mask requirements.

    Thanks to Covid, the Australians may very well have bred a generation of sociopathic, conscienceless cops and soldiers, who might just be up to the challenge of taking on the Chinese reds.

    Irony of ironies: Xi undone by the very disease he gave the West. Curses!


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  98. So Gladys has said NSW re-opens 1 December (assuming 90% vaccination).

    Has she finally twigged that people were getting well and truly angry about these lockdowns, and she is setting up an escape clause so she can pretend we and her have been cooperating?

    It was annoying enough when politicians just thought they owned the whole economy (and they would decide how, where and when we could join in), but now they have got into their heads the idea that they also own society and it is up to them to run our freedoms and interactions.


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  99. The individual priests, ministers and pastors will likely want to give the rules the rude finger.

    It’s the Church Karens that will be the problem.

    You can’t do that! It’s against the Rules!


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  100. I still cannot see how church leaders can agree to this.

    I don’t think Gladys does “agreement”.
    Think of it as a generous gift.
    Pray she doesn’t change her mind.


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  101. Thanks to Covid, the Australians may very well have bred a generation of sociopathic, conscienceless cops and soldiers, who might just be up to the challenge of taking on the Chinese reds.

    Ahahahahaha! *clutches sides*

    Only if the Chinese reds are grannies and girls.


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  102. What she is counting on is that people who have taken the vaccine will see themselves as invested in it, and taking her side against those reckless troglodytes.


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  103. The individual priests, ministers and pastors will likely want to give the rules the rude finger.

    It’s the Church Karens that will be the problem.

    You can’t do that! It’s against the Rules!

    So the individual priests, ministers and pastors give in to the Karens.


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  104. Some will, Gab. Depends on how many “Karens” they have in their flocks.

    Others will tell them to pull their heads in.

    Never underestimate the officiousness of certain sheep. Pedro the Loafer knows this. 🙂


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  105. The Claytons Science is strong in this one:

    Berejiklian: We don’t envisage a state-wide lockdown ‘ever again’

    “But as I’ve said, there could very well be localised stay-at-home orders, there could be times where we say to communities: ‘restrict your activity to your local area’.

    “So we can’t exclude that – however, once we get to 1 December and you’ve got more than 90 per cent of the population fully vaccinated, the chances of having any of those strict measures are very, very unlikely.

    “But I will never say no – you never know what’s around the corner in a pandemic.

    Actually we have a fair idea of what’s around the corner. The UK experience tells us that high levels of vaccination does not prevent Covid circulating in the community.


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  106. 1945 – American military tips millions of dollars of equipment into the sea off Luganville, New Hebrides because the poor locals couldn’t afford to buy it from them.

    If the Americans hadn’t dumped all that engineering and transport machinery. The Pacific could have been a much different and better place. Plus their manufacturers would have got to sell spare parts for another 20 years.


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  107. How long before we see riots/pogroms against the “scum”…aka the un-vaccinated?

    NEVER! .. the sheeple will continue to bleat across social media channels and leave the physical victimization to plod …..


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  108. Look its really, really simple.

    Basic human biology says vaccines have a much poorer “take” in people as they age.
    By the time you hit 70+ its nearly a 50/50 chance a vaccine will trigger the reaction and protection its meant to.

    So in effect 50% of the elderly have no protection even after 2 shots of vax.
    For a government to be actually doing what it claims they would be carrying out antibody tests 2-3 weeks after a vax shot on an elderly person and revaccinating until it is effective.

    So the stats about “vaccination prevents hospitalizations” is, at best 50% true in the over 70 cohort.

    So all this lung lurgy lockdown is to protect 1/2 of the over 70 age group.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/10/cdc-waning-vaccine-immunity-elderly-511206


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  109. Some will, Gab. Depends on how many “Karens” they have in their flocks.

    Others will tell them to pull their heads in.

    Judging by all the milquetoast bishops around the world. they take notice of 1 Karen over 1000 faithful.


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  110. But they have to exercise “extreme caution”. What does that even mean?

    This whole shit show is based on the scientifically baseless idea of a-symptomatic transmission. You don’t have enough viral load to be an effective transmitter if you’re a-symptomatic, and by the time you do, you’re not a-symptomatic anymore, you’re crook and you know it.


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  111. Our own Archbishop in Melbourne closed our churches one week before it was ”mandated” by Andrews.

    Our Archbishop still hasn’t twigged that mandates are not law. Or just doesn’t care enough about the souls in his official care to fight. But then I think he prefers the easy road, given his actions.


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  112. Berejiklian: We don’t envisage a state-wide lockdown ‘ever again’

    Why? Did she envisage it the first time?

    Like an alcoholic waking up in their own piss unable to remember what happened but filled with shame, vowing off the grog for good.

    A few hours later they a swig not to get drunk but just to help calm their nerves. That helped so perhaps another mouthful to calm them further. Soon enough it is all spinning rooms and black spots and anger.


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  113. Gladys and Barilaro have been playing classic “good cop, bad cop”.

    Neurotic cop and nutty cop more like.

    I haven’t forgiven Barilaro for his empty headed comment about vaccine brands.


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  114. Mother Lode says:
    September 27, 2021 at 1:20 pm
    What she is counting on is that people who have taken the vaccine will see themselves as invested in it, and taking her side against those reckless troglodytes.

    Or the 90% are sick and dying from the “jabs” and the 10% are dodging the “foreign soldiers & police” patrolling the streets.


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  115. A CHO ”health order” is not law.

    I’m afraid a CHO’s health order is a lawful directive unless & until the High Court says otherwise.

    (Don’t shoot the messenger!)

    Along that line, I would expect more HC challenges to the WA & QLD border closures once the magic 80% figure is reached.

    The argument will be that the closures are no longer proportionate to the public health threat and the collateral damage to lives and businesses is unreasonable.


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  116. No doubt St Lisa will give a sermon on The Project this week where she’ll avoid saying anything about the true origins of COVID but blame NSW for the ongoing Victorian predicament.

    Quite so ‘bern.
    Last week Andrews was sooking that “I wish I could send this back to NSW, but I can’t”.
    Funny, in all of last year I don’t remember him once saying, “I wish I could send this back to Chai-nah, but I can’t”.


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  117. Nobody will ever be fully vaccinated. Nobody. Ever.

    AFR had a story from the UK over the weekend. Has been at 80% for ages. Covid is endemic. Everybody has had it – reckon it is like the worst flu you have ever had (what I’ve heard). Life goes on.


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  118. Govt funding stopped.

    I hate to say it, but the catholic church has been a branch of the labor party for quite some time, the intravenous drip of cash needs to go.


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  119. Show me the assented legislation please.

    The various state public health emergency Acts are all available online.

    Recommended reading.

    Victoria’s is the worst, which will be no surprise.


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  120. Covid is endemic. Everybody has had it

    I know about a dozen people who’ve had it.
    All overseas.
    The one who got it the worst was a tech nerd who was crook for a week at home, ie no hospital.
    The theme was common.
    The ones who were healthy all had a few rough days but that was it.
    The fat ones or the ones with an unhealthy lifestyle all had a rough week or so.
    Vaccination status varied.


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  121. “I knew there was something fundamentally wrong with his outlook when he stated that he believed both Cardinal Pell & his accuser.”

    I also thought that was an odd thing to say. There was only was person telling the truth and that was Cardinal George Pell.


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  122. You don’t have enough viral load to be an effective transmitter if you’re a-symptomatic, and by the time you do, you’re not a-symptomatic anymore, you’re crook and you know it.

    Spot on.

    Most flu/corona viruses spread via contaminated droplets from sneezes, coughs or runny noses. Yes – there may be some aerosol borne spreading from just breathing … but not over long (>2M or so) distances. If you have it and are asymptomatic, chances are you are not spreading the rona.


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  123. The various state public health emergency Acts are all available online.

    This is what people believe. In fact, federal legislation overrides state laws where the state law contravenes Federal Laws, such as Privacy, WHS and the Constitution. VIC only has one ”emergency act” that pertains to ”frontline healthcare workers” and they are fighting that already.


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  124. I notice that the police who usher onlookers away from “incidents” are really trying to prevent video footage being taken of the violence.
    Um, guys – it’s not working.


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  125. “I knew there was something fundamentally wrong with his outlook when he stated that he believed both Cardinal Pell & his accuser.”

    The words here are ”fence sitting”. Pontius Pilate was good at that.


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  126. I hate to say it, but the catholic church has been a branch of the labor party for quite some time…

    Each of the mainstream churches has been “infiltrated” by the long marchers, even the Catholics.

    The Uniting Church was the most feeble in putting up any resistance, probably because the Presbyterians were the only ones who would have done so and they mostly stayed out of the union in 1977.

    The Sydney Anglicans are probably the only exception although there is some confused thinking there as well as exhibited by their bishop’s remarks on refugees recently.

    Given that a social credit system can be applied to institutions as well as individuals, these churches are soon going to find themselves at crossroads – do they toe the government line and continue to receive subsidies for their schools, hospitals & social welfare departments or do they resist and see that funding withdrawn?


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  127. By the time you hit 70+ its nearly a 50/50 chance a vaccine will trigger the reaction and protection its meant to.

    ..
    There’s an easy solution to this I have been actively advocating for some time now: Carousel.
    All over 65s to be fitted with sparkly jump suits and exploded in an exciting pyrotechnic display of cheesy 1970s goodness.


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  128. Roger, I’ve always thought that the ordination of women is the death knell. The moment that happens in Sydney, it’s all over.

    The militant chicks have been hammering away for over forty years, with a few concessions here and there. Never satisfied. And boy, have I had some doozies of arguments with them! It always ends up for them in secular terms of da equalidy and fairness. Oh, and St Paul being out of touch.

    Probably with his feminine side.


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  129. In fact, federal legislation overrides state laws where the state law contravenes Federal Laws, such as Privacy, WHS and the Constitution.

    That could certainly be tested and the state-level legislation has proven itself to be unstable in every instance, as has been demonstrated in the various law reviews. But the knot that would need to be unravelled in the process is that the constitutional division of powers grants legislative power in the area of public health chiefly to the states.


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  130. Roger, I’ve always thought that the ordination of women is the death knell. The moment that happens in Sydney, it’s all over.

    Yes, when that happens both the Bible and tradition (even Protestants have tradition!) have been jettisoned and the faithful become exiles, whether within or without the church structure.

    (Although hope abides…the Presbyterians in Australia repealed the ordination of women. More recently one of the main Lutheran Churches in the Baltics – Latvia? – did so too.)


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  131. Covid is endemic. Everybody has had it – reckon it is like the worst flu you have ever had (what I’ve heard).

    About 25 extended family and friends in UK/Europe have been Rona victims. Several fully vaccinated; mostly mild/asymptomatic; one crook as a dog for a week + couple of weeks recovering. Two very elderly and very comorbid succumbed (one with, rather than from) during the UK first wave.

    Life certainly goes on.


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  132. By the way, are people going to automatically be reduced to unvaxxed status when their booster shot is due?

    In six months are we going to be hurled back into lockdown hell of fewer people get the booster than the original, very much coerced, vaccination.

    Is Gladys ‘envisioning’ anything there? Or is she hoping things will have begun to return to normal and people will stop talking about boosters and stuff?


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  133. Oh, and St Paul being out of touch.

    The teaching that St Paul sets forth is so much a part of the warp and weft of Holy Scripture, going back to Genesis 2 & 3, that you might as well say the Bible is out of touch. In fact, what you’re then saying is that you’ve placed yourself outside of scrupture’s authority. That’s why so much other nonsense then follows the ordination of women.


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  134. This is the problem. People do not actually know their rights. Privacy rules. No one and I mean no one, apart from your doctor or hospital staff who need sensitive and personal information in order to be able to give you actual health care, has the right to ask you your HIV status, your STD status or your vaccination status. This is enshrined in law. They will put pressure on you, which is actually coercion, and there ARE laws are against that. Don’t be intimidated, know your rights.

    There are over 800 teachers in NSW and 700 in Vic currently who are pushing back against mandatory vaccination ”orders” or policies.


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  135. “But as I’ve said, there could very well be localised stay-at-home orders, there could be times where we say to communities: ‘restrict your activity to your local area’.

    “So we can’t exclude that – however, once we get to 1 December and you’ve got more than 90 per cent of the population fully vaccinated, the chances of having any of those strict measures are very, very unlikely.

    “We’ve snatched the right to trial and the right to walk out your front door whenever you like off you and we’re never giving it back“.


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  136. Roger
    The argument will be that the closures are no longer proportionate to the public health threat and the collateral damage to lives and businesses is unreasonable.

    Apart from the government actions, what actually has been the “public health threat”.
    I have seen no pandemic – just a heap of old people dying last year like they always do from the flu. But no more than usual & less than some recent years.


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  137. Restricting people’s movement because of a virus is quarantine.
    It’s not a state health department’s area at all.
    It’s not anywhere near being in it’s remit.
    It is unconstitutional for a state government to make laws regarding quarantining.
    It is unconstitutional in many ways.
    So a state health department making decrees that affect healthy people’s movement is unconstitutional.
    It is morally and ethically bankrupt and criminal.
    All quarantine laws are meant to be, according to section 51 of the constitution, made in federal parliament.
    Sect 109 means that where states decrees laws, or whatever else you want to call them, is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid.

    This of course means diddly squat to the criminals that have wiped their arses on it.

    Practically, Quarantine is a specific practice and area of expertise a health bureaucrat knows nothing about, hence the complete lunacy in decrees.
    When you leave the constitution because you believe you know better, it all turns to shit.
    Unaccountable shit.


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  138. “But they have to exercise “extreme caution”. What does that even mean?”

    It just goes with the disturbing images of people at the beach.
    *I shudder thinking of that*


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  139. Australia risks being slapped with carbon tariffs if agriculture’s emissions are not curbed, a new report argues

    google translate: you will eat Beyond Meat’s synthetic protein and grasshopper gruel


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  140. About 25 extended family and friends in UK/Europe have been Rona victims. Several fully vaccinated; mostly mild/asymptomatic; one crook as a dog for a week + couple of weeks recovering. Two very elderly and very comorbid succumbed (one with, rather than from) during the UK first wave.

    Life certainly goes on.

    People got the rebranded flu and like usual, like every other year before insanity by fear took over, some oldies succumbed.
    No different to any year previous, and no spike in death rates until the jabbed started dying of blood clots etc.


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  141. that’s what israel is doing

    As is WA.

    So is Gladys, who no longer envisages* lockdowns, going to re-institute lockdowns or is she going to permit people to continue going about their daily lives with a proportion of people effectively vaccinated below 90%.

    If it is acceptable then, why not now?

    * In all fairness, perhaps when she says she no longer envisages it what she means is that whenever it begins to come to mind she concentrates on images of giant flies pulling the legs off people until the urge passes.


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  142. The churches are not totally dependent on state funding, nor even significantly dependent.
    Call their bluff.
    Church restorations, e.g., do not need the ‘heritage’ fundings which work to compromise the buildings, making them partially owned by the state, subject to what the parishioners can and can’t do to the building.
    Schools can go it alone, as can hospitals, as they did in the past.
    This business of kowtowing gets a bit tiring.


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  143. So does that mean the 70 % of Australians in QLD , unvaccinated, unable to access their friends and rellies in NSW, to cross for work, and for the simple fact that NSW is part of their country anyway, can come into to NSW?
    This statement by Gladys is insane, evil gas lighting.
    As soon as you open up, you no longer have only your prisoners in your prison.
    90% vaccinated becomes 50% of all people in the state, for example.
    Not that 90% is unachievable anyway, what a joke.
    Listening to these people will send you insane.
    Your ability to reason and think logically is lost because you are being held hostage with all the stress that encompasses.
    It’s very hard to think clearly and rationally when you’ve been a continuous victim of serious crime since Feb last year.
    Foe every minute, for every second they have held you captive.
    Like all of this, when logic is applied, nothing makes sense, and the only thing that does, is the people doing this to us are criminals of the highest order and must be brought to justice.


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  144. Schools can go it alone, as can hospitals, as they did in the past

    At the moment there is no way that the catholic institutions can go alone again. The cost of maintaining and running both would see them collapse. Don’t forget that in the past both were mainly staffed by religious orders whose salaries were very low to non-existent.


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  145. Is there any ONE of them without a conflict of interest?

    Imagine having access to – and ministerial control over – a big chunk of $50o million per annum in other people’s money?

    It’s enough to turn a grifter like Greg Hunt – whose only job outside politics was the law, which is primarily about acquiring other people’s money – into a career criminal.

    Not that I am making that allegation about Greg Hunt, even though he is a senior minister in a government that has racked up more carefree government debt and spending than any government in Australian history.


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