Open Thread – Weekend 15 Jan 2022


The Lady of Shalott looking at Lancelot, John William Waterhouse, 1894

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calli
calli
January 16, 2022 9:04 am

I don’t know about vigilance, probably hypersensitivity because you’re wearing something completely foreign and unnatural.

Greeting people at the church door in half an hour – I feel like an idiot smiling behind a piece of useless cloth because “health”. And also, the CO2 feedback is stifling because I’m such a windbag. And then trying to “sing”. It’s all nonsense and kabuki.

It’s hateful because it’s fake.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 9:04 am

Don’t disagree with you Peter- I was just reminding people about that earlier episode.

Mater
January 16, 2022 9:04 am

Why the need to vigilant? just go about your business until something happens otherwise you end up in the rabbit hole.

Did you miss the word “unconscious”?

Bluey
Bluey
January 16, 2022 9:05 am

Cassie, it one of the big reasons I cordially detest conservatives. There’s big talk about their principles but generally stand for nothing when they’re tested.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 9:06 am

It’s all nonsense and kabuki.

It’s hateful because it’s fake.

correct- humiliating submission to the state

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 9:06 am

We’ve got to where we are by tolerating shit people because they are the shit people on “OUR” side.

Your sides the Labor Party, isn’t it, PeterW?

You’ve tolerated PeanutHead, Rudd, Keating, Albanese, Beazley, Crean Swan and the disgusting Bob Hawke without a murmur?

Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2022 9:06 am

PeterWsays:
January 16, 2022 at 8:59 am
We saw how “courageous” Abbott was when he went gutless on us and refused to live up the the principles he espoused before he was PM.

Courage is doing the Right Thing AFTER you know that the consequences will hurt.”

Accurate.

.

calli
calli
January 16, 2022 9:07 am

When does the unconscious become conscious?

At present, for me at least, it’s self conscious. And embarrassing.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 9:10 am

Another thing no one talks about was Howard promising an end to multiculturalism in 1988.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 16, 2022 9:12 am

As one of the wilfully tedious and boring on this blog I don’t feel picked on. But then I have a thick skin. And it’s only the internet.

Indolent
Indolent
January 16, 2022 9:13 am
Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2022 9:15 am

I often wonder why I feel such anger at Abbott. I think because, beginning in September 2013, the cowardice quickly emerged. I remember being bewildered by his appointment of Stott Despoja…..and his refusal to accept the resignation of Shorten’s mil. Yes, he did well on border protection and he got rid of the carbon tax but on cultural issues he was like a timid mouse. Who can forget/forgive his capitulation re. Section 18C. And when the MSM savagery started when the knighthood was awarded, anyone with balls would have fronted the MSM and said…”okay….you don’t approve, well you better get used to it because this government intends to award many more knighthoods…in fact a knighthood will be awarded every month remaining in this government’s term”.

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 9:16 am

I get that calli, seeing the grand girl searching for a smile or any expression beyond two eyes has been stressful.

Mater
January 16, 2022 9:17 am

“I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do.”

– Atticus (To Kill a Mockingbird)

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 9:20 am

Did you miss the word “unconscious”?

Nope.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 9:22 am

There was some really weird stuff going on from the Abbott government like putting up taxes and tightening up on centrelink (maybe justifiable, maybe not, but TERRIBLE optics)- decisions so stupid to make you think ‘whiteanting’

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 16, 2022 9:26 am

Tech companies are dying from the inside…
Twitter.com ^ | 1/13/2022 | Hazard Harrington

It’s also been put up in more readable form by Steven Hayward and Don Surber on their blogs.
Well worth a RTWT.

The Miserable Life in Woke Silicon Valley | Power Line (14 Jan)

Inside Big Tech (Surber, 14 Jan)

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 9:33 am
Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2022 9:34 am

“tightening up on centrelink (maybe justifiable, maybe not, but TERRIBLE optics)”

Very justifiable. That’s exactly what a Liberal/conservative government should do.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 9:34 am

The $7 Medicare Co-payment was just mean and stupid, the Prince Philip Knighthood didn’t make any sense at all
Carers Payments is another racket that Abbott refused to go anywhere near,
for purely political reasons.
It never did him a lick of good anyway, The Coalition wouldabin annihilated if it hadda gone to the 2016 Election with Tony at the helm.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 16, 2022 9:35 am

In 18 months IIRR Abbott got rid of the mining tax, carbon tax, and stopped the boats.

I’d have liked him to have done a lot more but not a bad achievement list.

If you look back on the Hawke, Fraser, and Keating governments what can you say they achieved?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 16, 2022 9:35 am

‘It’s hateful because it’s fake.’

Uptick.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 9:37 am

In 18 months IIRR Abbott got rid of the mining tax, carbon tax, and stopped the boats.

I’d have liked him to have done a lot more but not a bad achievement list.

If you look back on the Hawke, Fraser, and Keating governments what can you say they achieved?

can’t argue with that

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 9:38 am
Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 9:39 am

Does anyone remember Mr. Novak?
Mad Magazine parodied it, not sure if it was ever on TV here?
Anyway, the opening theme music is really cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rk_OQUtY

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 16, 2022 9:40 am

Hazza’s off whining again:

Prince Harry has threatened the Government with legal action over its decision to remove his taxpayer-funded security, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

Lawyers acting for Harry, who stepped down from Royal duties two years ago, have written a ‘pre-action protocol’ letter to the Home Office, indicating they will seek a judicial review if continued security is not provided by the UK.

If the case proceeds, it will lead to a battle in the High Court between Ministers and Prince Harry.

The Queen is understood to have been made aware of her grandson’s action, which is thought to be the first time a member of the Royal Family has brought a case against Her Majesty’s Government.

A source said: ‘Harry’s argument in a nutshell is: ‘You got the law wrong.’ He feels the decision to remove his security was wrong. Pre-action protocol was sent by Harry’s lawyers to the Home Office a couple of months ago. This is essentially a precursor to a judicial review.’

Suggesting why Harry may have chosen now – two years after ‘Megxit’ – to launch his legal bid, the source added: ‘When Harry came back last April for Prince Philip’s funeral, he was given security. But when he came back in the summer, he wasn’t.’

Daily Mail

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 9:40 am

More on Clinton

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 9:42 am

Hazza’s off whining again

boy oh boy I’m sick of these people

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 16, 2022 9:43 am

“I told her to get fucked”. As you do.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 9:48 am

If you look back on the Hawke, Fraser, and Keating governments what can you say they achieved?

Hawke:
Stopped the imprisonment of people for getting behind in Child Support Payments.
That had been happening since forever, well before Divorce Law “Reform”
Fraser:
Forced Kiwis to get a Visa to come over here.
Previously, they’d commit Crimes here and just fly back.
Another one was buying a car on Hire Purchase, making no payments, driving it all round Australia, then pushing it off a wharf and heading back to NZ.
Keating:
Stopped Merchant Banker John Hewson from wrecking Australia.

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 9:54 am

Ed are you Homer Paxton or related?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 9:55 am

Seen on UnzReview:
a litigious BBC journalist sues some poor bastard over a Tweet responding to her own Tweet, a Judge Awards her 10,000 Pounds along with 500,000 Pounds Costs against the Defendant.
Comment:

“UK Justice” is to Justice as “UK Cooking” is to Cooking.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 16, 2022 9:57 am

When does Outsiders start again?

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 9:57 am

Weirdest thing was being accused of racism at the same time ramping up immigration.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 10:02 am

Not really, as far as I can tell.
It seemed more like a vehicle to bully anyone who was talking about it as an option.

Bullshit Mater.
What we got is an idiot calling this place a shithole 24/7 and declaring that:-
.1 He fully intends to leave; and
.2 He has a clear and unencumbered pathway to do so.
The challenge was thrown down.
If it’s so bad here, get on with it.
Go.
What happened next was the subject going into a flat spin and spendimg eight hours responding to every question with “Glowie!”.
Until the cavalry arrived with a series of feeble excuses, the best of which was “What if the JAL pilot has a vax-induced rigor mortis seizure on final approach to Narita”.
So, yeah, if mouthy bullshitters start up mouthy bullshitting, expect a return of serve.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 10:03 am

Weirdest thing was being accused of racism at the same time ramping up immigration.

What’s weird about that?
The only reason for Immigration now is to cause scarcity and drive up asset prices.
Racists may be on board with that, they may not.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 10:06 am

dickless uptick for sp

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 16, 2022 10:07 am

Prince Harry has threatened the Government with legal action over its decision to remove his taxpayer-funded security, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

He can afford a multi million dollar mansion in the United States, he can pay for his own security.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 10:13 am

Eden in NSW struck by 40 cm wave from the Tongan eruption.

Yeah. Remember by 2030, they’re all going to be dead anyway from warming.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 10:15 am

miltonf at 7:35 and 7:37.
Correct.
I don’t give a rat’s if someone wants to leave.
But constantly bagging the entire country as a “shithole” deserves a response.
Particularly when the person concerned has a clear unencumbered pathway to leave and seems to have done nothing about it.
Could it be that it was all just for some “you go girl!” backslapping from his fellow (non) travellers.

Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2022 10:17 am

As I write, a Rabbi and three worshippers are being held hostage at a Colleyville Texas synagogue, police are negotiating.


“A source on the scene told ABC News that an armed suspect took a rabbi and three others hostage and claims to have bombs in unknown locations. The source told ABC that the suspect’s sister is a known terrorist who is incarcerated at Federal Medical Center Carswell, a women’s prison in Fort Worth, and he is demanding that his sister be freed from prison. According to ABC, the FBI is trying to confirm that the hostage taker’s sister is Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani woman who is imprisoned on charges related to the attempted murder and assault of United States officers and employees in Afghanistan in 2008.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 10:17 am

Mater.
Your example of someone wanting to emigrate but not being permitted to take the kids.
Was there consent from both parents/guardians for the move?
Was the Family Court involved?

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 10:18 am

I don’t hold Australia or Australians or Victorians in contempt as some here do

as both an Australian and a Victorian, my contempt for the brain-dead, collectivist, mong-tards is bottomless

sue me

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 16, 2022 10:18 am

Shithole maybe, maybe not but definitely beset by oppressive over government even before the current “emergency”. Oppressive government is however, a worldwide thing.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 10:20 am

But constantly bagging the entire country as a “shithole” deserves a response.

Look, it really is.

The last two years on top of the confluence of some very bad laws and biometric passports is a recipe for a dystopian nightmare.

Chris
Chris
January 16, 2022 10:21 am

Cricket?
Go read Gideon Haigh’s opus at the OZ. FMD.

Hard to Trump money making machine

Review of a book about the greatest money laundering scheme in history, and wussians. Apperently TRUMP trump TRUMP TRUMP stuff not about TRUMP.

So well written and fact-checked it doesn’t need our comments. Apparently.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 10:22 am

I don’t hold Australia or Australians or Victorians in contempt as some here do

as both an Australian and a Victorian, my contempt for the brain-dead, collectivist, mong-tards is bottomless

sue me

You seem to be missing my point- these sweeping statements that I complain about caste aspersions on people who actually contribute and keep the state/country going.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 16, 2022 10:22 am

Nut Case go back to your day job. Kiwi’s don’t need a visa.

Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2022 10:22 am

“I don’t give a rat’s if someone wants to leave.
But constantly bagging the entire country as a “shithole” deserves a response.”

I don’t have a problem with people here lambasting this country and its political leaders. I’ve done it….but I also post comments about other things. However the person in question has spent weeks here solely proclaiming “shithole”, “shithole”, “shithole” and yesterday he posted a disgraceful comment about Johanna which was thankfully removed and then his responses to legitimate criticism was “glowie”, “glowie”, “glowie”.

He clearly has anger issues.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 10:23 am

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 10:24 am

…and you can’t be angry at people for questioning the motivations of others to get vaccinated.

Each vaccine makes it harder for the rest of us to say no.

Sure you have a family. Do you get vaccinated to feed your kids?

For your kids, so they can go to university? (Is it worth it outside of practical STEM and white collar degrees? Can any of these be done online?)

Be able to buy a new car?

As for people who aren’t vaccinated, what are we arseholes? Do we have nothing going on?

“I got vaccinated so I could go to the pub”

I think there is something in that for all of us.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 16, 2022 10:24 am

Groogs must be holiday skeleton staff at GetUp. Tough luck little buddy. All your mates will be back when they get home from their parents holiday homes.

Baba
Baba
January 16, 2022 10:26 am

Rickw said it best last night.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 10:29 am

callisays:

January 16, 2022 at 8:13 am

Mater, I saw two types of “get me out of here types” yesterday.

Repetitive showboaters and those who sincerely want to explore their options. The response from the former was so disgraceful and hysterical it had to be removed.

I don’t think any of the criticism was aimed at the latter. 

Here it is.
The first “nailing it” of the day.
I didn’t mention his disgusting comment (that his critic should go hang herself) previously this morning because it was removed rather quickly and people may not have been aware of it.
But if we want to talk about bullying, how about that one?
A total prick lining up someone primarily because he thinks she isn’t terribly popular in some quarters here and it might earn him a few “gutless upticks”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 16, 2022 10:29 am

Keating:
Stopped Merchant Banker John Hewson from wrecking Australia.

Yeah, 17% interest rates, and the highest unemployment rates since the Great Depression were just such a blast, weren’t they.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 10:30 am

…and you can’t be angry at people for questioning the motivations of others to get vaccinated.

Each vaccine makes it harder for the rest of us to say no.

it should be a private matter

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 10:31 am

Be able to buy a new car?

for many it would be a matter of keeping their house

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 10:31 am

Particularly when the person concerned has a clear unencumbered pathway to leave and seems to have done nothing about it.
Could it be that it was all just for some “you go girl!” backslapping from his fellow (non) travellers.

sometimes I think you and rosie are actually the same person

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
January 16, 2022 10:31 am

But constantly bagging the entire country as a “shithole” deserves a response.

Australia is a shithole.

Recognition of this is the first step in the cleanup.

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 10:33 am

Was the Family Court involved?

no the Federal Court.
full bench
live now

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 16, 2022 10:33 am

Keating:
Stopped Merchant Banker John Hewson from wrecking Australia

Interesting take. You would get on well with Mavis.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 10:35 am

17% Interest Rates is a disincentive to borrow money.
Australia in general was better off in Keating’s Term than it is now.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 10:36 am

sometimes I think you and rosie are actually the same person

Not much of an argument. Lame.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 16, 2022 10:42 am

Australia in general was better off in Keating’s Term than it is now.

You obviously weren’t made redundant at the height of “The recession we had to have.”

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 10:45 am

these sweeping statements that I complain about caste aspersions on people who actually contribute and keep the state/country going

and?

have a look around mate.
the ones keeping it ‘going’ are the Andrews Govt and VikPol ready to arc up on command
or Gestalt Karen in her Blue-Cap

that’s where we are ‘going’

and me.
I keep the joint ‘going’ too … but, that’s a different semantic

like this …
Keeping the joint ‘going’ while those who are driving the ‘going’ are sending us straight to hell.
Its getting futile enough for me to think about ‘going’ too.

see what I mean?

If somebody wants to have a spray about how they feel about ‘going’ then what’s the prob?
If they say it more than once … what’s the prob?

I just don’t get it … shutting them down makes you feel better?

shaming them into silence is a good thing?
Hmm, I dont think so

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 10:46 am

Weirdest thing was being accused of racism at the same time ramping up immigration

^ Howerd^

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 10:48 am

I said:

Australians in general were better off then than now

Why?
Because there was still some Manufacturing left in Keating’s day, compared to now.
The only employer now is the Building Industry.
Once Interest Rates rise again there’ll be a colossal crash, dwarfing the Great Depression.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 16, 2022 10:48 am

The country has shit governance in both the public sector all over and increasingly in the private sector.
The Governments are all shit. They can, at this stage, be voted out.
The institutions can change or not.
I love my country. It is going through a shit stage.
Once all the vaxxies die off, as I have been assured they certainly will by a reliable sauce, and soon apparently, things may return to order.
Otherwise we have always had shitheads in Australia, as there are all over the world. They can’t run a chook raffle. They’ll drop off.

(One paragraph may be slightly facetious)

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 10:49 am

the ones keeping it ‘going’ are the Andrews Govt and VikPol ready to arc up on command
or Gestalt Karen in her Blue-Cap-

OK I’m about about food on the table, water you can drink, petrol at the servo, power to boil your kettle. It doesn’t happen by magic. You’re not my mate either.

lotocoti
lotocoti
January 16, 2022 10:50 am

17% Interest Rates is a disincentive to borrow owe money.

Fixed for no charge.

miltonf
miltonf
January 16, 2022 10:51 am

these sweeping statements that I complain about caste aspersions on people who actually contribute and keep the state/country going

and?

and if I want the disagree with such statements I can and am allowed to say I do.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
January 16, 2022 10:53 am

17% Interest Rates is a disincentive to borrow money.
Australia in general was better off in Keating’s Term than it is now.

Interesting take, Nut Case.

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 10:55 am

and then his responses to legitimate criticism was “glowie”, “glowie”, “glowie”.
He clearly has anger issues.

maybe so
but I seem to recall that it was some other wit who originally leveled the ‘glowie’ spell at him
and that’s what set it off.

I think the wit’s thesis was that anybody that published such extreme sentiment was clearly somehow an agent provocateur sowing extremism in this August Journal.

Personally, I think that’s pretty silly.

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 10:55 am

As for people who aren’t vaccinated, what are we arseholes?

I am.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
January 16, 2022 10:59 am

Each vaccine makes it harder for the rest of us to say no.

Anti-vax collectivism is just as bad as pro-vax collectivism. Otherwise someone else is ultimately in charge of your body. Gimme your liver.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 11:01 am

Just the facts, ‘mam.

If “I got vaccinated to go to the pub” wasn’t a thing, well, at least in NSW, the government may have caved.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 11:05 am

Anti-Jamming Dissidents in Cattle cars and transporting them to The Gulag collectivism is just as bad as pro-Jamming Dissidents in Cattle cars and transporting them to The Gulag collectivism.
Otherwise someone else is ultimately in charge of your body.

You’re still a clown though.
Have another beer?

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 11:05 am

Anti-vax collectivism is just as bad as pro-vax collectivism. Otherwise someone else is ultimately in charge of your body. Gimme your liver.

Accurate.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 16, 2022 11:05 am

Bespoke,
I agree with both your comments

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 16, 2022 11:07 am

And your last.
Btw, are you aware what a comma is?

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 11:07 am

Australia is a shithole.

What we have here is clear cut example of anti-Shithole-ification sentiment

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 11:07 am

Bespoke,
I agree with both your comments

Suck up!

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 11:08 am

Wow, what a stoush.

Read the comments. It is a brawl that “Jaycee” and “eggly” would shed tears of joy for.

https://reason.com/2019/11/18/young-americas-foundation-michelle-malkin-nick-fuentes/?comments=true#comments

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 11:10 am

Gramma Nazi.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 16, 2022 11:10 am

Obviously Bespoke,
You mistook what I was in total agreement with.
Never mind.

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 11:10 am

You’re not my mate either.

ease up milt … do you even speak ‘strayun?

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 11:14 am

I’m about about food on the table, water you can drink, petrol at the servo, power to boil your kettle. It doesn’t happen by magic

no kidding?
like I said, “I keep it ‘going’ and I’m thinking of ‘going’ too”

my anti-shithole sentiment didn’t happen by magic either

your move

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 11:17 am

Wow, what a stoush.

It’s a SnoreFest.
Malkin is a Shill and Fuentes is a Plant.

Twostix
Twostix
January 16, 2022 11:18 am

it should be a private matter

Thanks captain obvious, but it’s not and it’s an arrestable offence to claim so in public if challenged.

So anyone who gets doses so they can gain privileges is accepting and perpetuating a system of oppression. They’re going to have to face up to it sometime and we don’t have to be nice about it as they enjoy their treats and swan around the place flashing the passports they mocked would never exist when we were sounding the alarm one, two years ago, while we’re banned from life in a way they mocked would never happen either.

And as time goes on, and they’ve settled in and gotten comfortable with the new system, they move on and now start openly mocking the prisoners languishing outside the “compliance’ recreactional centre. As a quick scan of yesterdays thread shows is now happening by the usual suspects.

As predicted it would.

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 11:20 am

Fed Court
section 133.3.c eh?
say that three times fast fella.

at least it isn’t quite the same as the Soviet’s Article 58

Twostix
Twostix
January 16, 2022 11:23 am

Fortunately the upvotes show the crowd still favour the principled and thoughtful, in either group.

System pigs say a lot, and operate in a cloud of sneering mockery, but get no respect.

And then they complain bitterly about the oppressive system of blog upvotes.

Lol!

bespoke
bespoke
January 16, 2022 11:26 am

All good, Miss Anthropist.

MatrixTransform
January 16, 2022 11:26 am

complain bitterly about the oppressive system of blog upvotes.

look at the violence inherent in the system … help, Im being repressed

…take that, you bastard.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 16, 2022 11:28 am

I’m not anybody’s mate.
I do, however, know a lot of people.
If I call you mate it’s just because I can’t be arsed remembering your name.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
January 16, 2022 11:29 am

I have rampant, swollen, bulbous, rock hard uptick that I need to give to somebody.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 16, 2022 11:30 am

Nut Case go back to your day job. Kiwi’s don’t need a visa.
They do need a passport though and so do we to visit NZ. Didn’t used to be so before about 1982.

Delta A
Delta A
January 16, 2022 11:30 am

I have been assured they certainly will by a reliable sauce

Tomato or BBQ?

Twostix
Twostix
January 16, 2022 11:30 am

Being exiled from society due to refusing to show a vaccine status and feeling deep down like you need to flee your home and country is nothing compared to the oppression of blog comment up votes!

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 16, 2022 11:33 am

Upticks are the only works of the devil that I use with heterosexual abandon.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 16, 2022 11:34 am

Each vaccine makes it harder for the rest of us to say no.

it should be a private matter

Of course, but our governments have made your health status a public matter.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 16, 2022 11:34 am

Ive just been looking up ‘All cause mortality’ in Oz, it being the only unfudgeable stat and one which should have risen if we are in a pandemic.

Unfortunately they publish each years figures in Sept the year after, so we wont get to really see them till well after the ‘pandecmic’ is over, but I do see that 2019 had a 7% rise over the usual (up from 158k to 169k). This is massive and well above anything in the last 5 years.

I cannot find any reason for it (no, not a bad flu year) – can anyone recall why?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 16, 2022 11:34 am

17% Interest Rates is a disincentive to borrow money.

Nope. When I bought Cafe Bruce the rate had come off that high down to a measily 14.5%.

That was still less per annum than rent of an equivalent property would be.

I paid it off as quickly as I could, which is one incentive of high rates. These days the kids hate to dispense with their lattes and smashed avo, and the low interest rate encourages them think like that. But even now the true incentive is still the same: if rent is more than the interest bill, buy. Plus you don’t get monstered by blonde real estate babes in black suits with clipboards inspecting every 6 months like sadomasochist whip-wielders.

In such things I had a real estate babe wander past yesterday. Her agency had just sold a house in the next street and she was letterboxing with flyers. So I said congrats on selling it, and pointed to the house over the road where their sign has been taken in by the renters. It sold a couple weeks ago, as did one they sold further up the street, and another by different agent on the other side of the main drag less that 100m from the Cafe. We’re hot right now. She was pretty scrumptious too. 😀

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
January 16, 2022 11:36 am

You’re still a clown though.
Have another beer?

Still liking your own posts, Nut?

Baba
Baba
January 16, 2022 11:39 am

I cannot find any reason for it (no, not a bad flu year) – can anyone recall why?

Climate change? In 2019 Brett Sutton was very worried about the public health consequences of climate change. I think he claimed it was the greatest public health challenge or somesuch.

sfw
sfw
January 16, 2022 12:06 pm

Re Abbott and his Knighthoods, dunno why he did it, I don’t see the need for titles here. However the way he did it was astounding, if anything demonstrated his tin ear on social matters this was it. Why did he give the first to Prince Phillip? I don’t mind the royals but if Abbott had chucked one at Shane Warne or some other simlar sporting favorite fool, Abbott would have been lionised for it. But no, as if demonstrating his cloth ears and strange views he chose a wealthy prince in another land, a nice bloke but one already loaded down with so many awards he had nowhere left to pin another.

We’re better of using Abbott as an example of hoplesness, showing what happens when you get what you want but don’t have the character or wisdom to make the most of it.

Makka
Makka
January 16, 2022 12:09 pm

We’re hot right now.

And this and every other Aust Govt /Party wants to keep it that way.

They will move heaven and earth to keep it so and the RBA will generally try to fit in with that universal endeavor. Because a property bust will fk this country good and proper, for a long time and everyone near the levers knows it. It would be a career killer.This is why we are seeing protracted efforts to open borders and bring in the immigrant hordes to keep/put a lid on wages growth. Because one thing Lowe has made abundantly clear, while wages growth remains under control, it can help interest rates can remain subdued and higher inflation somewhat tolerated. But if wages growth gets out of control he’ll hike and hike. Wages growth isn’t the be and end all of IR policy but it IS a biggie for the RBA.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 12:10 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:

January 16, 2022 at 11:34 am

17% Interest Rates is a disincentive to borrow money.

Nope. When I bought Cafe Bruce the rate had come off that high down to a measily 14.5%.

That was still less per annum than rent of an equivalent property would be.

Not at 100% of the capital value it wasn’t, you delusional or dishonest incel. There was no fucking way rental income was higher than 14.5%. Rent historically in Australia has never been higher than 4 to 5%. Is there anything you don’t bullshit about? Jeez Lord, you’re a disgrace.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 12:13 pm

That is true JC.
If you plot mean rental costs against mortgage interest rates between 1980 and now, rentals are relatively stable in the face of wildly fluctuating interest rates.

local oaf
January 16, 2022 12:15 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
January 16, 2022 at 10:29 am

A total prick lining up someone primarily because he thinks she isn’t terribly popular in some quarters here and it might earn him a few “gutless upticks”.

A question for long time Open Threadsters.

As someone who never read the OT much back in the Sinc Cat days,* was the open thread always as argumentative and even vitriolic as it seems now?

*I was someone (I believe there were plenty of others) for whom the OT would never display correctly, regardless of which browser or bookmark technique I used. I could only ever see the current page and any posts older than several hours were un-viewable. Mostly I didn’t bother trying.

Dover Cat has made OT reading easy.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 12:16 pm

JC

My parents bought their final family home in 1977 and paid it off within seven years.

They could do so because of negative real interest rates. It was a buyers market.

I suspect their possible rental returns would have been prodigious.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 12:17 pm

As someone who never read the OT much back in the Sinc Cat days,* was the open thread always as argumentative and even vitriolic as it seems now?

No, never.

That Bird chap was also very nice.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 12:18 pm

“You damned antivaxxers, gaggle of morons! Stop with your bullshit and at least put on a god damned face mask, and stop hitting the brakes for the entire world! Yes, you antivaxxers, you are a moron! Put on a face mask!”

The cope Claire is going through now. Poor dear.

Yes, we’re stopping the world, not governments?

It’s just a cold bro. The masks don’t work and vaccination probably won’t even help you.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 12:19 pm

I nearly bought land in Mooney Mooney over a decade ago.

Someone please slap me for not pulling the trigger.

Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2022 12:20 pm

“As someone who never read the OT much back in the Sinc Cat days,* was the open thread always as argumentative and even vitriolic as it seems now?”

Umm, there were times on the Sinc’s Cat that were positively uncivilised.

DB hasn’t had to shut the OT down for a few days yet.

Cassie of Sydney
January 16, 2022 12:21 pm

Claire Lehmann is a lightweight.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 16, 2022 12:21 pm

Toys for boys.

The Navy’s next-gen destroyer concept involves powerful lasers (14 Jan, via Instapundit)

What the DDG(X) is most likely to borrow from the Zumwalt is the Integrated Power System, an all-electric power supply that allows the vessel to shift power between propulsion and other onboard electric systems. That’s crucial for making lasers feasible, as the DDG(X) concept comes with both a forward-mounted 150 kilowatt laser, and two rear-mounted 600 kilowatt lasers.

Six hundred kW lasers…yum! I hope they ditch the low radar signature stuff that helped make Zumwalt such a costly beast. Instead go like in WW2 where the USN put guns on every available surface, like a spiny anteater. Trying to hide a surface ship from radar is a waste of time these days: instead make it as heavily defended as you can, with top line radar and fire control.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 12:25 pm

Dot

Let me repeat, there was never a time rent covered the mortgage in Australian real estate from the 70s onward. I know this because my parents were buying real estate around that time from the 70’s to the early 90s. There’s always like 1% exception, but for 99% of the time the rent never went close to covering the mortgage. It’s insane to believe real estate was covering the mortgage with interest rates at 15%.

But even if as you argue there were negative interest rates, why does that have to mean rental income would follow?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
January 16, 2022 12:26 pm

That was still less per annum than rent of an equivalent property would be.

Correct. Rent was brutal.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 16, 2022 12:26 pm

The OT has always been a diamonds in the dust sort of place. Some days there is more dust than others.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 12:26 pm

But even if as you argue there were negative interest rates, why does that have to mean rental income would follow?

Low supply maybe?

I thought 2020 was going to be great for me, but COVID hit.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 12:27 pm

Shoot.

I meant Brooklyn.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 12:28 pm

And Dot, the incel is lying by implying rent = interest cost at 100% capital value. How do I know? Because banks never lent at 100%.

local oaf
January 16, 2022 12:28 pm

Dot says:
January 16, 2022 at 12:17 pm

As someone who never read the OT much back in the Sinc Cat days,* was the open thread always as argumentative and even vitriolic as it seems now?

No, never.

That Bird chap was also very nice.

lol Yeah, I read a few samples of his work at Nilk’s Discord.

That was an unpleasant surprise. I thought people like that still lived under rocks, but sadly they seem to be multiplying exponentially on the net these days.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 12:28 pm

Let me repeat, there was never a time rent covered the mortgage in Australian real estate from the 70s onward. I know this because my parents were buying real estate around that time from the 70’s to the early 90s.

What about 1991 – 2003?

That’s when one of my best friend’s father, an ex bank manager, made a killing.

He made more from 2003 onwards, but so were a lot of other less sophisticated investors.

lotocoti
lotocoti
January 16, 2022 12:31 pm

Why did he give the first to Prince Phillip?

Because it was one of those pro forma things,
like Outer Qwghlm making him Lord Lieutenant of the Skrrgh.
That a fuckload of morons wound up their outrage to eleventy,
without bothering to read the provided fine print was not Abbott666’s fault.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 12:33 pm

Abbott should have given the knighthood to Turnbull.

Then when Turnbull got used to it, give one to himself.

If you’re going to troll, be a little creative.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
January 16, 2022 12:33 pm

Because banks never lent at 100%.

A brother borrowed 110% of property value in 1981 from the ANZ
He had less than a 100 bucks in the bank at that time. The extra was for incidentals and some repairs.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 12:34 pm

ANZ or Esanda Finance?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
January 16, 2022 12:36 pm

ANZ

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 12:36 pm

Re Abbott and his Knighthoods, dunno why he did it,

Have people got mass amnesia ?
The queen asked for him to do it.
He should have said fuck off.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 12:40 pm

NSW still only at 773k confirmed cases.
Let’s say it’s double that.
Maybe a bit more.
No where near enough.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 12:41 pm

What about 1991 – 2003?

That’s when one of my best friend’s father, an ex bank manager, made a killing.

Okay, that was perhaps the best time in Australian real estate I have ever witnessed. But the eye-popping rise was in capital values – not rents

I bought a place in Melbourne in 1991 and I sold it in 2002, which is almost identical to the period you’re referring to. I bought it for $330,000 and received a starting rent of $12,000. I don’t know what the mortgage rate was as I bought it for cashola. We were living in NYC at the time and I thought it would be a good place to hold onto to if we came back, but Wifey didn’t like the suburb and the next door neighbor offered way over the vig as he wanted a garden and pool so I sold it. In any event there was never a time when the rent exceeded the interest rate level the incel is stating.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 16, 2022 12:44 pm

ANZ had the middle aged blokes with long bank experience, driving Magna sedans and Esanda had the pony tail boys driving Porsche convertibles.
I think we know which lot lent shit loads without adequate security.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 12:45 pm

Temperature on the field for the game underway between Buffalo & the Pats is minus 10 degrees Celsius.
They reckon it might get to minus 15-16 by the time the game ends.
I can comprehend that.
Some of the defensive players aren’t even wearing the long sleeves.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 12:45 pm

A brother borrowed 110% of property value in 1981 from the ANZ
He had less than a 100 bucks in the bank at that time. The extra was for incidentals and some repairs.

Not everything we discuss is 100% rambles. There’s always the odd man here and there. Did your brother lied to the bank?

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
January 16, 2022 12:46 pm

Eyrie says:
January 16, 2022 at 8:35 am
Anyone in Toowoomba – surf’s up, dudes.
Bring on the global warming sea level rise. I’d like a surf beach at the bottom of the range at Port Withcott.

Eyrie – shirley you’ve been boating at Drayton Harbour??

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 12:51 pm

If you had the freedom to live anywhere in the US, why would you live in/around Buffalo?
Seriously.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 16, 2022 12:54 pm

Novak is clearly a danger to Australia.
Since he arrived on the 5th Jan we’ve had a million cases of Covid diagnosed.
A coincidence? I think not.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 16, 2022 12:55 pm

Funny thing is, lefties love medals and honours and stuff for themselves.
Pond life that they are.

Crossie
Crossie
January 16, 2022 12:56 pm

Anti-vax collectivism is just as bad as pro-vax collectivism. Otherwise someone else is ultimately in charge of your body. Gimme your liver.

Anti-vax collectivism can never be as bad as pro-vax which has all the power of the government behind it.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
January 16, 2022 12:56 pm

Not at 100% of the capital value it wasn’t, you delusional or dishonest incel.

When did you start day drinking, JC?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 12:57 pm

Anyone saying face masks do anything* should look at this football game.
Players wearing the ski masks on the side line.
Breath clearly spewing out (h/t Sotmayor) their breath everywhere.

*unless you’re trying to stop spit getting in your mouth.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 12:58 pm

If you had the freedom to live anywhere in the US, why would you live in/around Buffalo?
Seriously.

The weather Bern. Warm in the winter and mild in the summer. Personally, I’d live there for the mild winters. 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 12:58 pm

Umm, there were times on the Sinc’s Cat that were positively uncivilised.

DB hasn’t had to shut the OT down for a few days yet.

Quite so, Cassie.
There were minor outbreaks and epic (ahem) “blog wrecking” feuds.
I think a lot of the vitriol back then was directed at (and by) NamBob which was considered fair game.
I couldn’t stand NamBob, BTW, but if you picked up some of the stuff in those exchanges (ignoring the participants) the content is probably more consistently worse than here.
I suspect what is different is that there are some who find themselves on the receiving end who never copped any flak at OldCat.
For example, our little mate Razey thought he was on solid ground telling someone he perceived to be of low popularity to “go hang themselves” and was a little surprised that he copped a sustained return of fire.
Don’t start something you can’t finish, I guess.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 1:00 pm

About 9.5% of NSW infected.

93.8% double vaccinated.

Hmmm.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
January 16, 2022 1:00 pm

Anti-vax collectivism can never be as bad as pro-vax which has all the power of the government behind it.

In another universe, that could be the case. Of course, collecitivsm as an ideology involves using the state as a force to make everyone belong to it, whether they like it or not. Ergo, anti-vax collectivism would have the power of government behind it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 1:00 pm

ftb, have you not watched Dexter: New Blood?

Not yet.
I refused to subscribe to Paramount Plus.

Crossie
Crossie
January 16, 2022 1:01 pm

Eyrie says:
January 16, 2022 at 11:34 am
Each vaccine makes it harder for the rest of us to say no.

it should be a private matter

Of course, but our governments have made your health status a public matter.

Exactly. The government has given total strangers the right to demand to know your health status.

lotocoti
lotocoti
January 16, 2022 1:01 pm

Six hundred kW lasers…yum!

Except they’re a line-of-sight weapon.
I should imagine a mach 3+ sea skimming ship killer popping over the horizon at 17nm would be quite the challenge, soupy air wise.
Something coming in from on high could be a different story, in ideal conditions.
Good old Standard Missile, on the other hand, doesn’t know what clouds are.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 1:01 pm

Beery

When did you start taking drugs living in a parallel universe where rents were yielding 15% at 100% capital value? I don’t think you could even get that sort of return playing Monopoly.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 1:03 pm

The queen asked for him to do it.

Only according to Greg Sheridan in The Australian.
More likely it was one of his erratic Captains Calls that came unstuck.
Gillard Mk II, but without the charm and grace.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 1:03 pm

Dover,

I know it is not warm in winter. I was kidding it is warm in winter.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 1:04 pm

With resi property it’s almost impossible to buy standalone properties that are positively geared pre-tax.
But 50 low end places?
Not hard.
Nick Xenophon built a resi empire on it.

Crossie
Crossie
January 16, 2022 1:07 pm

About 9.5% of NSW infected.

93.8% double vaccinated.

Hmmm.

Dot, I know quite a few people who are unvaccinated yet none of them are infected. I also know quite a few people who are and have been infected, related to some and work with some, and they have all been vaccinated.

That other insistence that vaccines are still useful in that they make the infection milder cannot be proven. It is just an allegation.

cohenite
January 16, 2022 1:07 pm

Read the comments. It is a brawl that “Jaycee” and “eggly” would shed tears of joy for.

Too many fucking lefties there.

The measure of any social commentator is their attitude towards Trump. It’s that simple. Right now, as it has always been, the left are blaming their opposition, Trump and his supporters, for everything they themselves do. People who criticise Trump don’t or can’t understand that or if they can, lie about it. They are scum and basically the cause of every human caused problem in the world.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 1:08 pm

Exactly. The government has given total strangers the right to demand to know your health status.

That’s an exaggeration of the Hallward Hughes kind. I know I have to repeat this because it doesn’t get through the dissonance at time. I find this a huge personal intrusion and totally against it. However, you’re showing a green colored certificate to a stranger. It is not showing the medical history contained in someone’s medicare account.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 1:08 pm

Commercial property is a different kettle of fish.
You can still can buy a lot of stuff on caps rates of 8% and get funding at 3%.
In some cases if you’re doing that in the shittier parts of Sydney it’s a form of land banking.

Crossie
Crossie
January 16, 2022 1:11 pm

The Beer whisperer says:
January 16, 2022 at 1:00 pm
Anti-vax collectivism can never be as bad as pro-vax which has all the power of the government behind it.
In another universe, that could be the case. Of course, collecitivsm as an ideology involves using the state as a force to make everyone belong to it, whether they like it or not. Ergo, anti-vax collectivism would have the power of government behind it.

True, but we don’t live in that universe

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 1:11 pm

dover0beach says:
January 16, 2022 at 1:06 pm

JC, yeah, sorry, I should have noticed the smiley face.

No biggie. I’ve never been. They say the only there things that comes out of Buffalo- footballers and hookers.. or is that Cleveland? 🙂

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 16, 2022 1:13 pm

It’s a hoot to watch the government’s QC try to paint Novak as someone of bad character and a threat to good order in Australia.
He a great straight man in a comedy role.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 1:14 pm

You can still can buy a lot of stuff on caps rates of 8% and get funding at 3%.

That would be way out in the sticks, no? Bern, the problem with those sorts of sites is that you lose the tenant and may never find another one.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 16, 2022 1:14 pm

The Djokovic hearing is at lunch.

The case appears to turn on whether ‘Alex Hawke’ (as we must call the Moron Government) considered the risk to Good Order of anti-vaxxers taking to the streets to riot if Djokovic is booted.

The Government position is the net risk of disorder amongst the proles would be greater if Djokovic remains in situ.
He’s that powerful a talisman.

How very Third World.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
January 16, 2022 1:15 pm

When did you start taking drugs living in a parallel universe where rents were yielding 15% at 100% capital value? I don’t think you could even get that sort of return playing Monopoly.

I was referring to your high school insults.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 1:16 pm

Not as far out as you’d think.
In some cases multiple tenants.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 1:17 pm

People who criticise Trump don’t or can’t understand that or if they can, lie about it. They are scum and basically the cause of every human caused problem in the world.

Trump was a disappointment who was too nice and didn’t realise the extent of the deep state. He also got into too much debt and too much money was printed.

He was okay on the military and foreign affairs.

JC
JC
January 16, 2022 1:18 pm

Dot says:
January 16, 2022 at 11:08 am

Wow, what a stoush.

Read the comments. It is a brawl that “Jaycee” and “eggly” would shed tears of joy for.

There are few rules in Australian blogging. One of them is don’t ever get into a stoush with Eggleton. If he challenges you then just accept defeat as it’s not worth it.

Dot
Dot
January 16, 2022 1:19 pm

Novak Djokovic showed me the power of belief.

He showed me the answer to the riddle of steel, then sent me out to the tree of woe.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 1:19 pm

Just on the 7% increase in Deaths from all causes in 2018/19.
Aborigines of all ages seemed to be dying a lot around that time, judging by Death Notices in the papers.
Did the All Causes Mortality figures for 19/20 stay at 169,000 or return to 158,000?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
January 16, 2022 1:20 pm

The case appears to turn on whether ‘Alex Hawke’ (as we must call the Moron Government) considered the risk to Good Order of anti-vaxxers taking to the streets to riot if Djokovic is booted.

If so, I’ve got mixed feelings about it.
That’s the excuse that has been used to shut down conservative events again and again – “oh, we’re all in favour of free speech but if we let this go ahead the left wing thugs will riot, and we need to ensure “safety”, so you’re all going to have to STFU for the public good”.
So if it’s “we’d better let Djokovic stay in case the proles start copying left wing tactics” I’m not sure that’s a positive step.

Indolent
Indolent
January 16, 2022 1:20 pm

it should be a private matter

It should but, in fact, it’s used as a battering ram. Someone could write a treatise on the tightening of restrictions in line with increasing vaccination percentages. The more people vaccinated, the more arrogant and demanding the PTB become. I’m sure there’s a PHd in there somewhere.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 1:23 pm

Including the wind chill factor, they are playing in minus 21 degrees centigrade.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 16, 2022 1:23 pm

That other insistence that vaccines are still useful in that they make the infection milder cannot be proven. It is just an allegation.

Yep, and one that admits these are disease mitigating drugs at best, not vaccines. By that standard, Panadol is a vaccine.

Struth
January 16, 2022 1:23 pm

Anti-vax collectivism is just as bad as pro-vax collectivism. Otherwise someone else is ultimately in charge of your body. Gimme your liver.

What a stupid and dishonest comment.
Once getting “vaccinated” is mandatory to be made public to gain privileges, and getting it supports the introduction of hard tyranny by way of vaccine passports, you have a fucking duty not to take it. A duty to your fellow man and all those you love.
This isn’t about collectivism. It is about right and wrong.
It’s wrong to submit to tyrants and in doing so you help seal the fate of your countrymen.
That’s just the unpalatable facts the fucktards who took it want to talk their way out of.
You sacrifice others to make your life better, and expect no one to chip you on it?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 16, 2022 1:23 pm

I seem to recall that it was some other wit who originally leveled the ‘glowie’ spell at him
and that’s what set it off.

I think the wit’s thesis was that anybody that published such extreme sentiment was clearly somehow an agent provocateur sowing extremism in this August Journal.

When a fellow pops up out of nowhere and all he posts for his first month or two is very obvious and extreme variations on ‘Get them all,’ and ‘Heads gunna roll,’ and ‘How can we revalooshun this place?’ Only to suddenly pivot to ‘This place is shit, you’re all shit and I want out’ when the upticks dry out and the suspicion ramps up (and raging at anyone who voices their suspicion of his content), until he picks a fight with the wrong poster, was the assumption he was out solely to provoke entirely wrong?

Remembering the Cat has been graced with all manner of ‘fascinating’ folks in its previous iterations. Some who just came to stir up trouble and others who had honest-to-goodness political agendas to enact against the Cat. Remember the actual English-as-a-second language trolls that popped up to try and derail the Presidential Election threads during November 2020?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 1:24 pm

JCsays:

January 16, 2022 at 12:28 pm

And Dot, the incel is lying by implying rent = interest cost at 100% capital value. How do I know? Because banks never lent at 100%.

I think people are confusing “loan $” with “valuation”.
The maximum “valuation” I can recall was 106%. This basically included stamps in the “valuation” which is utter bullshit, because it is a zero-value outgoing.
But the maximum LVR was still 90% (with mortgage insurance) and a standard LVR of 80%.
So max borrowing was 106 x .9 = 95.4.
Were there rare instances where a couple of Dick Pussy type mortgage brokers, valuers and bank staff cooked up a dodgy valuation which was above purchase price?
Probably.
But it wasn’t standard operating procedure.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 16, 2022 1:26 pm

Did the All Causes Mortality figures for 19/20 stay at 169,000 or return to 158,000?

Nope, 2019 is a major outlier
2015 = 159k
2016 = 159k
2017 = 161k
2018 = 158k
2019 = 169k
2020 = 161k

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 16, 2022 1:27 pm

You sacrifice others to make your life better, and expect no one to chip you on it?

You are 8 months late, O Mighty Roadwobbler-Tantrumthrower.

The Communist-nazi-globist-pooftah-pansies’Narrative has collapsed. So has Palacechook’s. The nightmare is almost over, and here you are still maintaining the rage like it actually might mean something for anyone else other than you.

Maybe we should change your name to St. Gough ‘I wuz robbed!’ Ruth-Whitlam…

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 1:27 pm

Remember the actual English-as-a-second language trolls that popped up to try and derail the Presidential Election threads during November 2020

Are you having a crack at JC’s Italian heritage ?
Not cool dude, not cool.
LOL.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 1:27 pm

So if it’s “we’d better let Djokovic stay in case the proles start copying left wing tactics” I’m not sure that’s a positive step.

Pathetic Argument, but who cares if the Tribunal buys it anyway?
Scotty has won the Politics and Labor is fucked for another 3 years.

jupes
jupes
January 16, 2022 1:28 pm

Okay. If Djoko is booted, I will behave myself and get the vax. However, if Djoko stays, I will misbehave and not get the vax.

That’s the government position right?

Crossie
Crossie
January 16, 2022 1:28 pm

If so, I’ve got mixed feelings about it.
That’s the excuse that has been used to shut down conservative events again and again – “oh, we’re all in favour of free speech but if we let this go ahead the left wing thugs will riot, and we need to ensure “safety”, so you’re all going to have to STFU for the public good”.
So if it’s “we’d better let Djokovic stay in case the proles start copying left wing tactics” I’m not sure that’s a positive step.

I consider it a very useful positive. If it was good enough for the left it damn well better be good enough for the right. Why should we agree to be muzzled but not them?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 1:28 pm

Were there rare instances where a couple of Dick Pussy type mortgage brokers, valuers and bank staff cooked up a dodgy valuation which was above purchase price?

Dude, it was the Hudson Conway business model.
But you are quite right when it came to the mere mortals.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 16, 2022 1:28 pm

Timothy Neilson says:
January 16, 2022 at 1:20 pm

There is no comfort in either side of the argument.

All I see here is a squabble about how much the Australian social compact has been damaged by our Covid master plan.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 1:29 pm

Thanks, duk.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 1:29 pm

Yep, and one that admits these are disease mitigating drugs at best, not vaccines. By that standard, Panadol is a vaccine.

I have said for a long time that “vaccine” was the wrong term.
I always expected they would be very similar to the flu “vaccine”.
Requiring regular “boosters” which, again is the wrong term. They are more correctly described as annual “variant tailored” preventative measures.
The unfortunate collateral damage is that it has given oxygen to fruit-loops like RFK Jnr and his Californian hippie cultists.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 16, 2022 1:31 pm

That’s the government position right?

Jupes are you saying you don’t model your behaviour off governmental decrees?
You truly are a renaissance man.

Crossie
Crossie
January 16, 2022 1:32 pm

Indolent says:
January 16, 2022 at 1:20 pm
it should be a private matter
It should but, in fact, it’s used as a battering ram. Someone could write a treatise on the tightening of restrictions in line with increasing vaccination percentages. The more people vaccinated, the more arrogant and demanding the PTB become. I’m sure there’s a PHd in there somewhere.

It was a logical conclusion that as more people were vaccinated the powerful didn’t want to let go of their advantage and so their demands grew and grew. This was/is a violation of the social contract simply because there is no mechanism to rein in people like Brad Hazard and Kerry Chant so they become monsters because they can.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
January 16, 2022 1:36 pm

Crossiesays: January 16, 2022 at 1:32 pm
…they become monsters because they can

Crossie Johnson is right!

And maybe they become monsters because we let them.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 16, 2022 1:36 pm

That’s the government position right?

Appears to be.
Keep in mind that none of these people are vaxxed for anything, they’re not stupid.
Djokovic’s team appear to be arguing that the AntiVaxxers will take to the Barricades if their boy is booted, so don’t boot him.
It’s all Politics, they tried to blindside Scotty and got cleaned up anyway.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 1:37 pm

Dude, it was the Hudson Conway business model.

Ha ha.
I met a guy on holidays way back in the ’80’s who worked for Tricontinental.
Back in Melbourne he invited us out for drinks and his boss and a few of his workmates were there.
(I guessed that his boss was maybe one, maybe two, levels below CEO).
Never seen a bigger bunch of feral dickwads in my life.
The secret signal was exchanged and the Panzers made good their escape.
After a brief silence in the cab, Mrs Panzer pipes up, “Really? They’re bankers?”.
I said “Worse. Bankers staked by the gummint”.
It wasn’t just the dickhead behaviour. It was clear none of them had a clue about business. It was just turn on the pump and spray cash at stuff that looks good.

calli
calli
January 16, 2022 1:37 pm

It’s odd, Duk. I had a look at the Baby Boom and tried to find a correlation there, but it still doesn’t fit.

Highest birth rate 1947, making them 72 in 2019, but average age for deaths was 83. Thought that might be the statistical “blip”.

Here’s the leading causes for death from the ABS.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 16, 2022 1:38 pm

Ed Casesays:

January 16, 2022 at 1:29 pm

Thanks, duk.

Oh.
Oh dear.

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