Open Thread – Weekend 12 March 2022


The Jägerzeile in Vienna, Rudolf von Alt, 1844

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Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 7:33 pm

Would I take flying lessons from JFK Jnr?
Would I take medical advice from RFK Jnr?
No and no.

Nor would I take marriage advice from JFK.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 14, 2022 7:34 pm

Nor would I take marriage advice from JFK.

Driving lessons from Teddy?
No?

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 7:34 pm

Snap, sort of, Cassie!

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 7:35 pm

The sky is blue from Sanchez? I’d want to check.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 14, 2022 7:36 pm

it’s not the Court’s fault that there are no indigenous jurors.

From subsequent comments, it seems any indigenous jurors would have scarcely been impartial….

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 7:37 pm

Driving lessons from Teddy?
No?

That just reminded me, Biden is that cad’s protege.

cohenite
March 14, 2022 7:39 pm

Bolta suggesting pressure from within the liars party to dis-endorse her contributed to her fatal heart attack.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 14, 2022 7:39 pm

Zipster – I think the Russians are in a real bind with coverage. A lot of initial sentiment was that this was about liberating our brothers in Ukraine. Unfortunately those brothers, it turns out, rather disliked being liberated. The end result seems to be that media coverage is being restricted to state-owned outlets and social media conduits are being turned off. It’ll be interesting to see what happens after all the young Russians lose their Facebook and TikTok access. They’re unlikely to be happy about it.

The poor NYT journo who died today is sadly a real martyr, much as I dislike NYT. I doubt either side wants western journos poking around.

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 7:40 pm

another day another communist asshole

Chile’s Boric vows to redistribute wealth

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
March 14, 2022 7:41 pm

That’s right; Andrews is a Catholic, he just hasn’t attended mass for many years, promotes abortion to birth legislation, championed euthanasia legislation because of dear old dad, legislated forcing priests to breech the seal of the confessional, is making faith schools employ people who openly disagree with the tenets of those faiths.

And made it a criminal offence for a Catholic health professional to decline to help someone find an abortionist.

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 7:41 pm

Bolta suggesting pressure from within the liars party to dis-endorse her contributed to her fatal heart attack.

It certainly wouldn’t have helped her.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 14, 2022 7:43 pm

rickw says:
March 14, 2022 at 7:17 pm
Fertiliser:

From what I can tell most got their orders in early and had them delivered.

Depends on what fert you’re talking about. Certainly most had their phosphatic fertilisers bought but a lot of urea was not bought because we were told supplies were plentiful and the price wouldn’t have a big rise. None of that proved to be true.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 7:43 pm

The poor NYT journo who died today is sadly a real martyr, much as I dislike NYT

A fuckwit actually who got himself killed for nothing. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The universe has a penalty for stupidity which sometimes is death.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 14, 2022 7:43 pm

I also wouldn’t take relationship or marital advice from RFK Jnr.

Oooh, yeah.
He is currently married to Cheryl Hynes (the actress who played Larry David’s wife in “Curb Your Enthusiasm”).
Or that might be shaky after she publicly disowned his comments declaring vax mandates as worse than the holocaust. That is pretty rich coming from him, given his father was a Nazi sympathiser.
She is wife Mk3.
Wife Mk2 committed suicide after being subjected to a character assassination campaign and ruthless isolation tactics.
The Kennedies.
Destroying lives since 1930.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
March 14, 2022 7:45 pm

That is pretty rich coming from him, given his father was a Nazi sympathiser.

His grandfather certainly was, but RFK?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 14, 2022 7:46 pm

Flying lessons from JFK Jnr.
Marriage counselling from JFK.
Medical advice from RFK Jnr.
Driving lessons from Teddy.

Business Ethics advice from Joe Snr.

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 7:46 pm

Andrews is a Catholic, he just hasn’t attended mass for many years, promotes abortion to birth legislation, championed euthanasia legislation because of dear old dad, legislated forcing priests to breech the seal of the confessional, is making faith schools employ people who openly disagree with the tenets of those faiths.

And made it a criminal offence for a Catholic health professional to decline to help someone find an abortionist.

I’d say the ball is in your court, Archbishop Comensoli.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 14, 2022 7:46 pm

Nor would I take marriage advice from JFK.

Seymour Hersh’s book “The Dark Side of Camelot” makes interesting reading on that subject…

Baba
Baba
March 14, 2022 7:47 pm

The Russian plan wasn’t for the war to last thing long.

If the Russian military is so shit why NATO?

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 7:48 pm

Zipster – I think the Russians are in a real bind with coverage. A lot of initial sentiment was that this was about liberating our brothers in Ukraine.

You’ll find talking to real Russians that they are not especially fond of Ukrainians and almost have a story to tell about run ins with them or someone they know.

Russian went to rescue the Donbas and the people there who are basically Russian. I dont think there is much interest in the west, other then chasing the militias.

It’s on Russian news that kadyrov has asked to be put in charge of Ukraine. good god.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 14, 2022 7:48 pm

Sorry Tim.
I skipped a generation.
But the point remains.
I don’t think any Kennedy should raise the holocaust after Joe ran interference for Adolph from 1933 until well after WW2 started.

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 7:51 pm

Zippy.
Well aware that pfizer has caused an increase in myocarditis, but we weren’t talking about that.
As John H points out zero evidence of an increase in cancer, though there are no doubt people getting delayed cancer diagnosis because of lockdowns, but we already knew that.
Cue some spitting chips gibber about ‘noise’ and ‘bio tech promotion’.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 14, 2022 7:52 pm

Radar fun. Apparently someone has written an app that tracks military radar emissions from the interference they produce in satellite synthetic aperture radar.

Nice thread. He mentions R V Jones’ Most Secret War and the battle of the beams.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 7:53 pm

As John H points out zero evidence of an increase in cancer

Without giving any references. Put up or shut up.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 7:54 pm

As John H points out zero evidence of an increase in cancer

Those life insurance stats in US and Germany aren’t looking great.

cohenite
March 14, 2022 7:54 pm

One of Bolta’s best tonight. I might have to reappraise him.

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 7:55 pm

Archbishop Comensoli has stated he would go to prison before breaching the seal and spoken at length about the legislation affecting faith schools, an issue that aroused zero interest in this forum.
I’ve also been told he warned priests about the presbytery checks.
What else would you have him do?
Yes yes he can formally excommicate Andrews and then…

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 14, 2022 7:55 pm

John H

Fair enough we all carry faith based assumptions but if we’re going to discuss this the first premise to establish is what constitutes reliable information. If no-one can do that then there is no point anyone here making any claims whatsoever about the conflict.

Indeed. At this time, the only thing that can be said with any confidence is that things are neither as good nor as bad as both sides are saying.

DaFisk
DaFisk
March 14, 2022 7:55 pm

It’ll be interesting to see what happens after all the young Russians lose their Facebook and TikTok access. They’re unlikely to be happy about it.

No Tiktok, no Instagram, no Facebook and…no teeth jobs!

Igor Sushko
@igorsushko
MEDICAL NEWS #1: In Russia, dental implants, crowns, dental drills were primarily imported from Germany. Russia ran out of all such consumables days ago. End of dentistry in Russia.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 14, 2022 7:57 pm

cohenitesays:

March 14, 2022 at 7:54 pm

One of Bolta’s best tonight. I might have to reappraise him.

Hold tight.
He will get accused of sexism, racism and a bunch of other isms tomorrow morning and come back tomorrow night with a “went too far” apology.

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 7:58 pm

Seymour Hersh’s book “The Dark Side of Camelot” makes interesting reading on that subject…

A case of the apple not falling far from the tree, as I recall.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 14, 2022 8:03 pm

rosiesays:

March 14, 2022 at 7:55 pm

Archbishop Comensoli has stated he would go to prison before breaching the seal

Total Catch 22.
No matter what happens, Andrews will beat them up.
.1 Let’s say three reports do come out of confession. “Aha! Only three! Too little, too late. How many others are they hiding? Tip of the iceberg.”
.2 No reports. “They are still covering it up!”

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 8:04 pm

MEDICAL NEWS #1: In Russia, dental implants, crowns, dental drills were primarily imported from Germany.

My teeth come from Germany.

Every meal is like refighting the Somme.

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 8:06 pm

Yes yes he can formally excommicate Andrews and then…

The intention of excommunication is to encourage the subject to repent.

If he doesn’t, well, the church holds the keys to heaven, does it not?

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 8:08 pm

My guess is that the russian forces at kiev are there to keep the forces around kiev occupied so they can’t reinforce the Donbas. Any effort to take kiev could take weeks if not months. The report for mariupol is there were 3000 ukrainian forces there who are now completely surrounded with no reinforcements in sight. It’s not going to be pretty.

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 8:09 pm

Someone claimed that cancer rates in the US military had increased by up to 1000%.
I’d suggest that it is they that needs to put up or shut up.
The Australian government website is suggesting a slight decrease in cancer incidence in 2021 over prior years.
Relying on a single pathologist making claims in March 2021 ludicrous.

Cassie of Sydney
March 14, 2022 8:09 pm

Richard Rolfe strikes me as a very decent man.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
March 14, 2022 8:09 pm

I don’t think any Kennedy should raise the holocaust after Joe ran interference for Adolph from 1933 until well after WW2 started.

There’s a book titled “Man Called Intrepid” about UK secret activity in the USA from about the late 1930’s till Pearl Harbour.
It tells of how good ol’ Joe, before the Holocaust admittedly but well after the Nuremberg Laws were enacted and being vigorously enforced, gave the Nazis some advice about handling the PR aspects of what they were doing to the Jews.

MatrixTransform
March 14, 2022 8:10 pm

Pastrami

I had some American Oak staves from the brother-in-law that had been in shiraz.
worked beautifully.

I used corned beef.
next time I’m gonna pickle a brisket and pastrami that

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 8:13 pm

Andrews is not a practising Catholic and has self excommunicated by publicly supporting abortion, he clearly, by his actions, holds the church in contempt and I see zero evidence he is the slightest bit interested in repentance.

Dot
Dot
March 14, 2022 8:14 pm

BBC reports Ukraine is sending teens to Kyiv to fight after 3 days of training

Maybe that’s all they really need if they’re fit, have a decent IQ, understand the chain of command and are decent shots?

“No no, there would never be sadistic jobsworths in the military!”

I think we’ve seen enough of the ADF “leadership” in the past ten years to know better than that.

Six to twelve weeks plus your fieldcraft, what does the West get?

Barely enough time at the range.
Death by PowerPoint.
Trans morning tea days.
General officers cross dressing to “ally” with female victims of crime.

Dot
Dot
March 14, 2022 8:15 pm

The RAF rammed recruits through during the battle of Britain, losses were high indeed; they also allowed them to come in as enlisted and graduate as NCOs, no stuffy officers required (but preferred).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 14, 2022 8:16 pm

rosiesays:

March 14, 2022 at 8:09 pm

Someone claimed that cancer rates in the US military had increased by up to 1000%.
I’d suggest that it is they that needs to put up or shut up.

Quite so.
Person A makes outrageous unsupported claim.
Person B says the claim is not supported by the facts.
Person A says “prove there is no data to support the claim”.
Huh?
It reminds me of the USAF guy who was put on to the UFO desk:-
“I have the hardest job in the military. I have to prove to zealots that UFOs do not exist.”

Dot
Dot
March 14, 2022 8:16 pm

Tom Brady is back.
Hated retirement.

Being rich.
Quality time with your supermodel wife.
Watching your kids grow up.
Not working, as much fishing or surfing as G can tolerate.

The poor bloke needs to be detoxified of his work ethic.

rickw
rickw
March 14, 2022 8:17 pm

Three month update on Chang Li electric truck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irpe3biuBIU

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 8:20 pm

You can never predict the impact of war:

Bill Maher and Trevor Noah are missing Trump.

And mocking Biden.

rickw
rickw
March 14, 2022 8:22 pm

The RAF rammed recruits through during the battle of Britain, losses were high indeed;

RAF / Commonwealth / US pilot training was actually pretty good at all times, relatively few training accidents compared to the Germans.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 14, 2022 8:24 pm

It tells of how good ol’ Joe

I don’t have a reference, but, as the Battle of the Atlantic raged, good ol’ Joe had a thriving racket shipping Scotch whisky across the Atlantic, to sell on the “black market in England…

Cassie of Sydney
March 14, 2022 8:26 pm

Sincere question here to the Catholics……would Mannix have excommunicated someone like Andrews?

I know the Rabbis of old would have issued harems (similar to excommunication in Jewish law) left, right and centre to any Jew who deviated from halacha……even sniffing fried bacon and saying you like the smell of the crispy tasty bacon would have incurred the wrath of the rabbis of the shtetls.

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 8:27 pm

Andrews is not a practising Catholic and has self excommunicated by publicly supporting abortion, he clearly, by his actions, holds the church in contempt and I see zero evidence he is the slightest bit interested in repentance.

Fairly certain Catholic canon law doesn’t recognise the self as a competent judge in this matter, rosie.

We aren’t given the authority to exercise the keys on our own behalf.

Figures
Figures
March 14, 2022 8:27 pm

Yes, because the mandates were legally valid under legislation passed by democratically elected Parliaments acting within their Constitutional authority. We may not like it, but that’s what happened.

What do you think you’re trying to prove here?

Sancho said: you can’t cut off electricity to Greenies because the Courts will stop you.

I said: all governments have to do is say “but it’s an emergency of some kind” and the courts will let the governments do anything they want.

The fact is the idea the government can create a deus ex machina in the form of emergency laws runs contrary to the intent of the founders of every constitution in every country on the planet. If governments want powers that enable them to supersede the constitution during an emergency then they should have held a referendum.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 14, 2022 8:27 pm

The report for mariupol is there were 3000 ukrainian forces there who are now completely surrounded with no reinforcements in sight. It’s not going to be pretty.

As I said several times the Russians can get a spinnable victory if they capture Mariupol. They already have Melitopol. With those towns/cities in hand they have a fairly defensible corridor from Crimea to the heartland. Then they get a peace deal with Ukraine which keeps those gains and declare victory. But they have to have Mariupol to do it.

The Ukrainians are making serious peace noises in negotiations, which suggests they’re suffering (certainly the oligarchs will be, and the US Dems with fingers in the pie). So it may happen.

Dot
Dot
March 14, 2022 8:27 pm

ould Mannix have excommunicated someone like Andrews?

Yes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 14, 2022 8:30 pm

Winston

Labor throws his wife under the bus for the visuals – no sympathy for her.

Albo’s ex, Carmel Tebbut, was a state ALP minister.

Whatever it takes!

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 8:30 pm

We aren’t given the authority to exercise the keys on our own behalf.

Speaking as an Anglican, but I can’t imagine the Catholic Church would be more liberal than us on this matter.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 14, 2022 8:33 pm

Dover, as I said neither side wants snooping Western journos.

Sky News correspondent shot while covering Ukraine invasion (4 Mar)

The report reckons it was Russians but I think it was Ukrainians given the location and the circumstance.
The Sky News UK team were very lucky.

Figures
Figures
March 14, 2022 8:33 pm

Oh, so we’ve now moved on from “Greens voter” to “potential Greens voter”.

So now you’ve retreated to obtuseness.

The potential refers to when the Government isn’t certain the person is a Green.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 14, 2022 8:34 pm

Albo’s ex, Carmel Tebbut, was a state ALP minister.

Deputy Premier of New South Wales…after all Bill Shortens honkings about “the big end of town?”

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 8:35 pm

The RAF rammed recruits through during the battle of Britain, losses were high indeed;

RAF / Commonwealth / US pilot training was actually pretty good at all times, relatively few training accidents compared to the Germans.
Must re-read “Johnny” Johnson’s book. IIRC the RAF guys around Battle of Britain time were given flight training but bugger all ACM (Air Combat Maneuvering) and BFM (Basic Fighter Maneuvering).
I read the US lost 15000+ guys in training in three and a half years. Smithsonian Air and Space magazine IIRC.

Dot
Dot
March 14, 2022 8:36 pm

Labor throws his wife under the bus for the visuals – no sympathy for her.

Albo’s ex, Carmel Tebbut, was a state ALP minister.

Because I used to love her,
but it’s all over now…

Azazel…

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 8:38 pm

The fact is the idea the government can create a deus ex machina in the form of emergency laws runs contrary to the intent of the founders of every constitution in every country on the planet. If governments want powers that enable them to supersede the constitution during an emergency then they should have held a referendum.

THIS

Cassie of Sydney
March 14, 2022 8:38 pm

I’ve long thought Carmel Tebbut and Anthony Albanese to be our very own Bonnie and Clyde.

Crossie
Crossie
March 14, 2022 8:38 pm

Paul Murray is having one of his pub visits, this time with ScoMo as his special guest on the Central Coast. In the QandA ScoMo got a question about coal fired power stations to which he magnanimously announced you can have them as long as they last.

He just will not commit.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 14, 2022 8:40 pm

A journalist was killed while carrying a New York Times press pass. But he hasn’t worked with the Times since 2015. Initial reports said he was shot by Russians in a town under Ukrainian control. Now Ukrainian officials are saying “the details of his were not immediately clear.”

Chances of him being a Spook?
100%

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 14, 2022 8:40 pm

Timothy N

His grandfather certainly was, but RFK?

RFK was a lawyer with the House Un-American Activities Committee, which did many of the things for which Senator McCarthy was blamed.

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 8:41 pm

Would Mannix have excommunicated someone like Andrews?

Yes.

I imagine not only that, but that he would have denounced his views from the pulpit the following Sunday, the sermon being distributed to be read in every Victorian parish.

A bishop doesn’t wield the baculus pastoralis as symbolic of his duty to protect the flock only, but also as symbolic of his duty to discipline its wayward members.

Dot
Dot
March 14, 2022 8:42 pm

The fact is the idea the government can create a deus ex machina in the form of emergency laws runs contrary to the intent of the founders of every constitution in every country on the planet.

Section 5 of the NSW constitution tells you all you need to know.

The Legislature shall, subject to the provisions of the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act, have power to make laws for the peace, welfare, and good government of New South Wales in all cases whatsoever—

Provided that all Bills for appropriating any part of the public revenue, or for imposing any new rate, tax or impost, shall originate in the Legislative Assembly.

———

All you have defending you are some implied Federal constitutional rights and consequential human rights protected under the external affairs power and the independence of the judiciary under Ch. III. Surprisingly, the evidence acts give you a fair whack of your civil liberties you probably don’t realise exist – then we have monstrosities like Federal tax precedent and search and detainment powers Federally under the poor old tortured Crimes Act 1914.

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 8:43 pm

He just will not commit.

I had to laugh out loud this afternoon when Morrison said on the wireless that he would not preempt budget measures to cut petrol excise tax.

Stand by for a leak in 3…2…1…

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 8:43 pm

Well aware that pfizer has caused an increase in myocarditis, but we weren’t talking about that.

well there you go, lets just sweep that under the carpet labeled death of informed consent.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 14, 2022 8:44 pm

Kadyrov:

“I urge those who are in Mariupol to surrender, or it will be too late in the evening. We will guarantee your safety. Around and inside Mariupol there are 5 thousand of our best Chechen fighters. Act manly for once for the sake of the civilians and the city.”

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1503231646501421056?s=20&t=MbKGTXm_pLSn3TXXhf3H5A
It’s nearly over.

Crossie
Crossie
March 14, 2022 8:47 pm

Roger says:
March 14, 2022 at 8:41 pm
Would Mannix have excommunicated someone like Andrews?

Andrews has already excommunicated himself, he doesn’t go to Mass or take Communion. What is more egregious is how Biden paints himself as a practicing Catholic and goes to Communion yet advocates for abortion. American bishops are not only lax but scandalising the Church by not excommunicating both Biden and Pelosi. I suppose it doesn’t help when the Pope never says a word against them either, he even receives them in audiences.

Franx
Franx
March 14, 2022 8:47 pm

Rosie
Andrews’s father died a ‘good death’, including having had the best of palliative care and his family in attendance. Andrews himself said so on radio, but only after having some weeks/months earlier on the same radio program mendaciously used the death of his father as an argument, from ‘personal experience’, for euthanasia. Some son.

Cassie of Sydney
March 14, 2022 8:49 pm

“So now you’ve retreated to obtuseness.”

You’re projecting.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Dr Faustus says: March 14, 2022 at 12:05 pm

It’d really really nice, ScoMo, if you encouraged a bit of oil production here. Just saying.
Scott ‘Two Fists of Iron’ Morrison – 6’2” of lean muscle – squints into the Australian sunlight at a lone Bottle Tree.
Tips back his Stetson, waves away a fly, spits a squirt of ‘bacca juice – and growls with a voice like a Kenworth changing up into 18th: “Boys, Ah feel it in mah waters; set the rig, we’re wild-cattin’ right here…”

Cultural fail.
Go back to the USA, yank.
Take your sidewalks, six-packs, cookies, fifth-wheels, gas pedals, stepping up to plates, left fields, batters, movie “trailers”, bikers, truckers, liquor stores, harness racing, trash, and no end of other horrific linguistic assaults upon the senses.

Yank.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Now that I’ve fought off the Yankee cultural imperialism, the results of which should last 5 – 10 seconds, how’s Slomo doing in his Q&A session down the pub?

I’m beginning to worry that Albo may prevail on election day.

Roger
Roger
March 14, 2022 8:56 pm

Andrews has already excommunicated himself, he doesn’t go to Mass or take Communion.

See above; you can’t excommunicate yourself.

It’s a formal judgment pronouced by a competent authority.

And for several good reasons.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 14, 2022 8:57 pm

Eyrie

I read the US lost 15000+ guys in training in three and a half years. Smithsonian Air and Space magazine IIRC.

There was a big training base on the Gulf side of Florida. Trainees composed a poem, one line of which was “One a day in Tampa Bay”. There might have been a degree of exaggeration, but the losses were clearly noticeable.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 14, 2022 8:57 pm

I’m beginning to worry that Albo may prevail on election day.

I’m betting on a Labor/Greens coalition…

Winston Smith
March 14, 2022 9:02 pm

Baba:

If the Russian military is so shit why NATO?

Shhh!
It’s The Poots cunningest plan ever!
Meanwhile in deepest darkest Dubovets Military Defence Installation Number 6, the Russian Army is polishing their fleets of T110s that Western Intelligence has no inkling of. As soon as the Fascist West goes back to sleep, they will all be unleashed!
Socialism will work this time!

Crossie
Crossie
March 14, 2022 9:02 pm

how’s Slomo doing in his Q&A session down the pub?

I’m beginning to worry that Albo may prevail on election day.

Sal, Albo is a shoo in, ScoMo keep dancing around coal fired power but according to him it’s up to private enterprise to build new power stations when the old ones expire. What I find unforgivable is him playing innocent while proposing zero emission by 2030. Who does he think will invest in a coal fired power station under those circumstances. What’s even worse banks are bragging how they will not lend money for such projects.

ScoMo is taking the audience for mugs.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:03 pm

flyingduk says:
March 14, 2022 at 2:00 pm
Eyrie, just stop the crap. A statistical anomaly like that is a curiosity and nothing can be concluded such a thing. It could also likely be a statistical cluster over such short period of time.
The US Military medical surveillance system is reporting up to 1000% increases in large range of cancers – thats one hell of a ‘cluster’.

Duk, unless we know the actual raw number percentages are meaningless. You should better being a doctor. What is the raw number from what to what?

Fair dinkum , whenever you see a percentage given out in an argument instead of a raw number it’s usually to support fake news.

cohenite
March 14, 2022 9:03 pm
miltonf
miltonf
March 14, 2022 9:03 pm

I imagine not only that, but that he would have denounced his views from the pulpit the following Sunday, the sermon being distributed to be read in every Victorian parish.

ha ha me too- Mannix was someone you could respect and admire and I’m not a Catholic.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 9:05 pm

I read the US lost 15000+ guys in training in three and a half years. Smithsonian Air and Space magazine IIRC
The losses continued into the Cold War. USAF had something like 350+ F-86 accidents in 1953 and a similar number of T-33 mishaps. Not all were deaths then but a good number.
Read an F86D story – the interceptor version with the radar. #1 cleared for takeoff . Rolls gets off runway, climbing out, explodes. #2 calls Tower “what do I do now? “. “Clear takeoff”. Later traced to fractured fuel pipes from vibration pouring fuel onto afterburner .

Crossie
Crossie
March 14, 2022 9:06 pm

By the way, most of the pub audience seems to be pro-ScoMo but I expect audiences at home, like me, are not impressed.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:07 pm

Cronkers

The Hidens ate crooks, but there is a difference between a bunch of money grubbing crooks and doctor Mengele and that’s the point I’m trying to make.

I’d find it close to zero chance the US is setting up biolabs in Ukraine to make bioweapons.

Huge assertion needs huge evidence.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:08 pm

Know better…

Crossie
Crossie
March 14, 2022 9:09 pm

cohenite says:
March 14, 2022 at 9:03 pm
Latest Shit Towns ranking; Sydney gets a nod:

Ha! Must have been put together by a Melbournian. Sydney, Canberra and Brisbane on the list but the true Melbourne not? Yeah, right.

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 9:10 pm

My understanding is that procurement of abortion is punished by excommunication automatically and this extends to ‘accomplices’. In Andrews case I’d have though his facilition of abortion via being instrumental in passing abortion legislation qualifies.
I haven’t looked further but I’m sure Pope John Paul included public figures who promote abortion as accomplices.
And yes Biden Pelosi etc are a scandal. .

Reference to Canon law here

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 9:11 pm

That’s what I meant by “self excommunication”

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 9:14 pm

The US Military medical surveillance system is reporting up to 1000% increases in large range of cancers
In absolute numbers you wouldn’t expect a large number of cancers in a younger, healthy population which is regularly checked, however the US Military is large and doesn’t depend on voluntary reporting. A 10 x increase is worth looking into carefully.*
The Lt. Col. Flight Surgeon got taken off acute care and given routine flight physicals only. Move along, nothing to see here.
* personnel in the military are just another asset, like ammunition. Act accordingly.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:14 pm

feelthebern says:
March 14, 2022 at 2:47 pm
Breaking news: JC will be in the latest season of Deadliest Catch.

Fishing is awful.
Golf is better.
The End.

Bern, it’s one of the most beautiful settings in Oz. You can fishing looking at the beach and it’s truly gorgeous. There’s a spot called fisherman’s beach and nothing compares.

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 9:15 pm

I don’t know that a ‘Dan Andrews’ would have been a politician or a premier or even an acceptable member of the Labor party back in Archbishop Mannix’s day.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 9:16 pm

Fishing is awful.
Torturing animals for fun a lot of the time.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 14, 2022 9:17 pm

By the way, most of the pub audience seems to be pro-ScoMo but I expect audiences at home, like me, are not impressed.

Why would you expect that?
Here’s The Reality:
There’s no Red Meat Political Party.
You’ve got a choice:
Scotty’s Carbs Party, or
Albanese’s Shit Party
Which do you prefer?

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 9:17 pm

What flight surgeon?
The evidence relied on was military surveillance data that misrepresented the five years 2016 to 2020 to claim an increase of 300 to 1000 percent.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 14, 2022 9:20 pm

“I urge those who are in Mariupol to surrender, or it will be too late in the evening. We will guarantee your safety. Around and inside Mariupol there are 5 thousand of our best Chechen fighters. Act manly for once for the sake of the civilians and the city.”

Haha, Putin really needs to shoot Kadyrov soonest. He’s just guaranteed the population of Mariupol will fight to the last man, child and granny. Everyone knows about Chechens.

More on logistics. Worthy of the WIP.

https://twitter.com/Trenchman1418/status/1500864641827803148

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
March 14, 2022 9:21 pm

The fact is the idea the government can create a deus ex machina in the form of emergency laws runs contrary to the intent of the founders of every constitution in every country on the planet.

Yes, I’m sure Mao Tse Tung and Kim Il Sung never intended for an emergency power to be available to the governments they established.

But even in relation to our constitutions you’re on shaky ground.
The basis of our State constitutions is still the basis on which the colonies were given self-government in the mid 19th centuries, and that was based on the UK’s own constitutional system – i.e., pretty much unchecked Parliamentary supremacy. That was the fundamental assumption of government in the UK, as it had been since the 1688 Revolution. Our State constitutions have never had any equivalent to the US Bill of Rights (and nor does our Commonwealth constitution either, even though the Federation delegates were somewhat influenced by the US system in some respects – the “on just terms” clause is a rare exception).
There is simply no basis in reality for saying that those who established our State constitutions would have been aghast at the idea of a Parliament legislating for emergency powers. They knew their constitutional history very well, and knew what they were doing. They may never have envisaged the idea of hideous vermin like Andrews, and that’s probably why they didn’t build restrictions into the constitutions.

If governments want powers that enable them to supersede the constitution during an emergency then they should have held a referendum.

See above. There is nothing in the written text of any Australian State constitution which is being overridden by the emergency regimes, and there is no reason to suppose that any of the architects of our constitutional system intended such restrictions to exist. Foolishly no doubt, they placed their trust in voters and in elected representatives of the people.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 9:21 pm

What flight surgeon?
Look up senator Ron Johnson’s enquiry.
There was a post facto claim that the years 2016 to 2020 were under reported. Nobody ever looked at those numbers and wondered why they were so low relative to the years before?

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 9:23 pm

here is the vaers stats for post vaccine aborted pregnancies.

you can scroll through it, makes for tragic reading.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 9:23 pm

I urge those who are in Mariupol to surrender, or it will be too late in the evening.
They are all about to die.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 14, 2022 9:24 pm

rosiesays:

March 14, 2022 at 9:17 pm

What flight surgeon?
The evidence relied on was military surveillance data that misrepresented the five years 2016 to 2020 to claim an increase of 300 to 1000 percent.

You mean like the sort of thing the BoM do to historical temperature records?

Crossie
Crossie
March 14, 2022 9:27 pm

ScoMo is a coward, planted questions from the audience are OK but he will not face Mark Latham, Joe Hildebrand and Chris Kenny who were waiting their turn at the pub. It would have been something to see how he handles their questions.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:29 pm

I take it you’ve never eaten fish in your life, Eyrie.

One other thing. You thanked Duk for ostensibly supporting your innumerate assertion about Doc. Cole. However, if you weren’t such an illogical, innumerate wanker, you’d appreciate the fact that even if Duk was right ( and I suspect he isn’t because the stat he presented was shown as a percentage and that always occurs when the argument is fake) it doesn’t make your argument correct.

Let me explain it so even you can understand.

1. Even if we assume the 1000% increase is supported by facts in Duk’s case.
2. It offers zero support for the claim you made as,
3. These are independent events.

No kidding, either your bias has got hold of you or you’re just fucking terrible with numbers. Just horrible. You’re so freaking terrible that you shouldn’t go anywhere near stats.

DaFisk
DaFisk
March 14, 2022 9:31 pm

I’d find it close to zero chance the US is setting up biolabs in Ukraine to make bioweapons.

The reason this particular claim has been doing the rounds on Putinist state propaganda channels such as the now-banned “Russia Today”, is that Putin is reaching for a rationale that would allow him to use biological or even nuclear weapons himself, if he is unable to force a Ukrainian surrender. This is the dismal fruit of Putinism and of Putin’s supporter base in the West.

It starts with a desire to defend the champion of anti-woke causes and traditional values. It ends with cheerleading the worst European conflict since 1945, including the destruction of maternity hospitals and churches.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 9:31 pm

I take it you’ve never eaten fish in your life, Eyrie.
Well, for once rarely, you are right.
As for the rest: Duk made the reference to the US Military
The rest is word salad. Try harder.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 14, 2022 9:33 pm

They are all about to die.

Yep. If the Chechens have been sent there that’s what’s going to happen.
I was wondering where they were committed, now I know. Shitty.
As I said Russia must have Mariupol for a peace deal.
The corridor to Crimea doesn’t work otherwise.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:33 pm

Tim

Don’t these state restrictions run counter to assumptions that can be made more broadly within the federal constitution.

For instance, about a decade ago, a court held that there is an implied right to free speech in Australia. If this is so then why would other fundamental rights be trampled as free speech would be girding all other such positive rights.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:35 pm

As for the rest: Duk made the reference to the US Military
The rest is word salad. Try harder.

Yeah, it’s impossible for you to understand because you’re fucking dumb.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 14, 2022 9:35 pm

From the Oz. “Third World Shythole” are words that spring to mind. Perhaps there is a very good reason why the cops carry guns?

Secret terror of nurses who fled community in fear of Kumanjayi Walker shortly before he was shot dead by cop Zachary Rolfe

Exclusive
Kristin Shorten
Investigative Journalist
@itsKShort
17 minutes ago March 14, 2022

The evacuated medical clinic staff were sitting at the Juicy Rump restaurant at Lasseters Casino in Alice Springs when the on-call mobile shrilled.

Yuendumu remote area nurse Cassandra Holland answered – about 7.20pm on Saturday, ­November 9, 2019 – and, after a pause, her eyes widened in alarm.

She threw the phone to her medical clinic manager, Luana Symonds, and said: “It’s Yuendumu police, someone’s been shot.”

Remote Sergeant Julie Frost, a former nurse herself, was frantic.

“Luana, you’ve gotta send someone,” she blurted.

But they’d all been evacuated from the remote community that morning due to safety fears and were now sitting together at a steakhouse 300km away.

“Julie, there’s no one there,” ­Symonds reminded her.

“Well, you’ve gotta send someone!” Frost replied.

“We need someone now! Police have shot a community member.”

Then the line went dead.

Three days earlier, on the Wednesday, Symonds’ home had been ransacked. On Thursday night her car windscreen was smashed while parked outside the clinic.

So, on Friday morning ­Symonds and husband Lance – who worked for the Department of Health as a cleaner, gardener and driver – drove to Alice Springs to have it fixed. As soon as they left, offenders tried to break into their house again, as well as the house next door.

On Friday night, remote area nurse Vanessa Watts – who lived in a row of attached units occupied by the medical staff – woke to ­offenders trying to break into her home. She could hear assailants trying to remove security screens from the adjacent unit. Then she heard glass exploding outside ­another unit, near a colleague’s bedroom. She tried to call the nurse inside and when she couldn’t get through, called police.

They arrived about 20 minutes later but the offenders jumped the fence and ran off.

Officers seized the abandoned shovels, pick axes and weapons strewn around the yard.

The explosion turned out to be Parau Riwaka’s car window shattering. Parau was the husband of midwife Janine.

Around the same time, young graduate nurse Matilda Starbuck, who lived alone in the end unit, was also waking to terrifying sounds. Starbuck got up and ran to Janine’s house where she, Watts, and the Riwakas sat up together until daylight, too scared to sleep or go home.

Meanwhile, in a gated compound around the corner, boys were trying to pull sheets of iron off the roof of nurse Lisa Meredith’s home while she was awake ­inside. From her window, Meredith could see kids in the backyard of nurse John Alting trying to break in through his back ­windows.

The next morning – Saturday, November 9 – Watts was supposed to go on-call but after a sleepless night Holland offered to cover for her until she had got some rest.

Holland notified a manager in Alice Springs, who notified the executive on-call, Helen Gill, about the break-ins.

“They were in their houses with their lights turned on and they could hear people trying to screech the … trying to gain access to their property, even though they were yelling at them,” Holland later told detectives investigating the death of Kumanjayi Walker.

“People were trying to break into their property knowing that they were awake. That’s scary. That’s really scary.”

Later that morning, Gill, ­Symonds and the Yuendumu health staff all dialled into a ­teleconference. The nurses’ homes had been regularly broken into for at least six months.

“Ideally, you would sit down and have a meeting with (local elders) but this had escalated past that because that had failed over previous weeks,” Holland said.

“This had been going on, had been building up for weeks.”

cohenite
March 14, 2022 9:36 pm

Fuck, Latham is good; scomo and his fucking net zero and the failure of the LNP to distinguish themselves from the liars and filth on this key issue. And he eviscerates that piece of shit hildebrand who defends that other piece of shit rub and tug.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:38 pm

It starts with a desire to defend the champion of anti-woke causes and traditional values. It ends with cheerleading the worst European conflict since 1945, including the destruction of maternity hospitals and churches.

Yep.

Winston Smith
March 14, 2022 9:38 pm

Roger:

Speaking as an Anglican, but I can’t imagine the Catholic Church would be more liberal than us on this matter.

Us Anglicans can sneak in through the basement windows, I was told.
🙂

cohenite
March 14, 2022 9:39 pm

From the Oz. “Third World Shythole” are words that spring to mind. Perhaps there is a very good reason why the cops carry guns?

Secret terror of nurses who fled community in fear of Kumanjayi Walker shortly before he was shot dead by cop Zachary Rolfe

But, but, he was a good lad and the other petrol sniffing bashers and rapers have all suffered under colonisation don’t you know.

Baba
Baba
March 14, 2022 9:39 pm

Russia’s airlines have something that’s not theirs, and it’s causing sleepless nights for aviation industry leasing executives in Dublin.

Goose. Gander. Etc.

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 9:39 pm
Delta A
Delta A
March 14, 2022 9:41 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
March 14, 2022 at 8:10 pm

I had some American Oak staves from the brother-in-law that had been in shiraz.
worked beautifully.

Thanks for that, Matrix.

I just googled ‘oak staves’ and found that there are several sellers near us.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 14, 2022 9:42 pm

Question to farmers etc – One more crop with a reduced yield due to fertiliser still in the soil? Then back to 1/3 the current yield if the fertiliser and trace elements aren’t added?

Depends on the bank of nutrients in the soil. Phosphorus and other elements are exported with the crop and need to be replaced to maintain the adequate levels for optimal production.
Once you get below this level then plants won’t grow well early and you’re guaranteed reduced production.

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 9:42 pm

I don’t know all the details Sancho only that the actual numbers of miscarriages, cancers and neurological disorders in 2016 to 2020 were much higher that the ‘data’ suggested.
I’m assuming that someone went back and checked, after all all these reports ultimately have to lead back to individual health records.
As for the rest, let’s see what the real 2021 cancer incidence rates are in Australia when that data is published.
We’ve been having breathless reports of millions dying from vaccination since early 2021.
I think one video linked here claimed 200 million would die in 2021 alone (some self consecrated friar who claimed the pandemic was a Freemason plot)

Twostix
Twostix
March 14, 2022 9:43 pm

JC thinks that inflation is running at the official figures 1%.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
March 14, 2022 9:44 pm

Timothy i just started to read A Man Called Intrepid. For those interested I recommend Stallion Gate by Martin Cruz Smith. Its set in Los Alamos at the time of the Atomic bomb. Another called Los Alamos by Joseph Kanon is the same. Both good yarns.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:45 pm

About 20 years or so I read a piece about why the US had basically stopped skulking around labs to produce bioweapons. The US military apparatus found them to be essentially useless – but even dangerously useless.

If I recall, the US found that if you really wanted to do maximum harm to another country, you would use nuclear weapons. Bioweapons were clumsy and the huge danger was that they could double back on your own population.

They were right. Even if Covid is an attempt at a bioweapon, it wouldn’t win you a war and more likely the response would be Beijing, Shanghai glowing at night for the next 1000 years.

Winston Smith
March 14, 2022 9:45 pm

Crossie:

What is more egregious is how Biden paints himself as a practicing Catholic and goes to Communion yet advocates for abortion. American bishops are not only lax but scandalising the Church by not excommunicating both Biden and Pelosi. I suppose it doesn’t help when the Pope never says a word against them either, he even receives them in audiences.

Hypocrites – all of them.

Twostix
Twostix
March 14, 2022 9:47 pm

Currently watching a bunch of Victorians contorting themselves into fixing up the utter lawless tyranny that was unleashed upon them – alone in all the world – as “well it was totally legal”.

Lol.

The death camps in the USSR were all legal too.

It’s really not hard to see why Victoria is such a world class shitshow. And no, it’s not all “leftists” fault.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:48 pm

Twostixsays:
March 14, 2022 at 9:43 pm
JC thinks that inflation is running at the official figures 1%.

Stix, the general rule that you should always keep in mind is that if one needs to lie/ dishonestly exaggerate points in arguments or assertions, you’ve basically lost.

I’ve never said the current inflation rate is running at 1% you dishonest Queerslander.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 9:48 pm

I don’t know all the details Sancho only that the actual numbers of miscarriages, cancers and neurological disorders in 2016 to 2020 were much higher that the ‘data’ suggested.
You have no evidence for that assertion. Where are the real numbers? Nobody noticed the fall in 2016?
Do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

Twostix
Twostix
March 14, 2022 9:50 pm

Bolt slimes back onto these scene with faux “outrage” about who cares, after two years of smirking wet lettuce commentary in the ugliest time in this country since the first colony was run as a prison.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:51 pm

Do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

You do. There’s not an anti-vax conspiracy site on the web which you won’t latch onto and believe 100%. Not one. You’re also embarrassingly dumb with numbers.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 14, 2022 9:53 pm

Let’s break this bullshit down:

Even if Covid is an attempt at a bioweapon, it wouldn’t win you a war

The War is the Governments of the West against their own people, not China.
The BioWeapon is the Vaccine.

and more likely the response would be Beijing, Shanghai glowing at night for the next 1000 years.

Is Hiroshima or Nagasaki still glowing in the dark?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 14, 2022 9:53 pm

Nurses ‘blamed’

The morning after the shooting, NT Health staff met at the Peter Sitzler Building in Alice Springs where they were updated on the situation in Yuendumu. The nurses had heard that the community blamed them for Walker’s death because they weren’t there to treat him.

The nurses asked if they could send a delegation back to Yuendumu to talk to the locals but their bosses said no. They would send other nurses to Yuendumu until tensions calmed.

On the morning of Monday, November 11, the nurses met again and were told the community elders had decided that all of the Yuendumu nurses, except Holland, could return.

They were apparently angry at Holland for having not informed every single person in the community, individually, that the medical staff were leaving.

So, all of them, except Holland, headed home to Yuendumu.

During one of the meetings in Alice Springs, NT Health assured its medical staff their accommodation had been checked and that it was now secure.

But when the nurses returned to Yuendumu, Symonds discovered her home – and the house next door – had been burgled again.

Upon arrival, medical staff then attended a “confronting” and “overwhelming” community meeting, where locals directly blamed the nurses for Walker’s death.

“The community and the community representatives definitely blamed us,” Symonds told ­detectives.

“Even though the Yuelamu nurses did respond, it was the timeliness of the response that they were angry at.

“And they felt that if we were there that maybe that life could have been saved.

“So, yeah, definitely anger ­directed at the Health Centre but (also) directly at me.”

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 14, 2022 9:56 pm

JC, do you get all your news from the ABC?

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 9:56 pm

Mr. Ed. Go to bed.

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 9:58 pm

Ivermectin in Africa and Brazil
Dr. John Campbell

the regular use of ivermectin led to a 68% reduction in COVID-19 mortality
Deaths
25 (0.8%) deaths in the ivermectin group
79 (2.6%) among ivermectin non-users
RR, 0.32
p less than 0.0001
When adjusted for residual variables, reduction in mortality rate was 70%
There was a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate

srr
srr
March 14, 2022 10:02 pm

Australia’s shocking new conversion law | The Truth of It

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLHg69s6958

Mar 14, 2022
ACL – Australian Christian Lobby
98.8K subscribers

Australia is now a country where you can be sent to jail for praying for someone.

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 10:02 pm

Even if Covid is an attempt at a bioweapon, it wouldn’t win you a war

let’s look at the outcome, Hong Kong fell without a shot fired and Trump was kicked out of office. Xi the antichrist should get on his little aircraft carrier in front of a mission accomplished banner.

C.L.
C.L.
March 14, 2022 10:05 pm

Fairly certain Catholic canon law doesn’t recognise the self as a competent judge in this matter, rosie.

No, Roger, but Rosie is drawing the correct distinction between excommunication latae sententiae and excommunication ferendae sententiae.

People think excommunication is some sort of ceremony or ritual but that is rare.
Excommunication latae sententiae is imposed (as it were) ipso facto by committing the offence itself. To advocate and facilitate abortion as Andrews does is to become an apostate and a heretic. No declaration is needed (though many would like such public figures to be outright declared excommunicants) – that is, ferendae sententiae. The normal means of remitting xcommunication latae sententiae is sacramental confession.

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 10:06 pm

the regular use of ivermectin led to a 68% reduction in COVID-19 mortality

good thing qld made it illegal then

C.L.
C.L.
March 14, 2022 10:09 pm

Typos corrected:

People think excommunication is some sort of ceremony or ritual but that is rare.
Excommunication latae sententiae is imposed (as it were) ipso facto by committing the offence itself. To advocate and facilitate abortion as Andrews does is to become an apostate and a heretic. No declaration is needed (though many would like such public figures to be outright declared excommunicants – that is, ferendae sententiae). The normal means of remitting excommunication latae sententiae is sacramental confession.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:09 pm

RickW

If you’re looking for a cheap wages place to set a bio-lab, your example of Spain (being cheap) is off the mark. Way off.

Spain is a middling wage EU country.

Spain’s average monthly salary is €2,039.

Ukraine’s

How much is average wage for high skilled employees in Ukraine? Average wages for high skilled employees in Ukraine increased to 5720 UAH/Month (213.992 USD/Month). The maximum level was 5720 UAH/Month and minimum was 3260 UAH/Month. Data published Yearly by Wageindicator Foundation.

US$213.992 in Euros works out to €195.24 per month.

In other words, the Spanish average is 10.44 times more. In other, other words the Ukrainian average is 9.58% of the Spanish average.

Figures
Figures
March 14, 2022 10:10 pm

Timothy we both agree.

If a Right wing government wanted to shut off electricity to Green voters, force 10 vaccines daily into people who support vaccine mandates and force refugee advocates to share their homes with international terrorists then it could do so and no Court could or would stop it.

So now we both agree that governments can do this, why are you opposed to doing it?

What’s funny is that I doubt my approach would be illegal anywhere. If the US government has the constitutional power to shut down one coal fired power plant then it must have the power to shut down some people’s access to the grid.

If what they’re doing is illegal and agreed to be so by the courts then why would it matter? I’m happy to live in a country where vaccine mandates and climate change policies are impossible for everyone. Amazingly, you and Sancho and Cassie continued to misconstrue the crux of what I propose – the government is only giving people what they ask for. Nothing else.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:13 pm

let’s look at the outcome, Hong Kong fell without a shot fired and Trump was kicked out of office. Xi the antichrist should get on his little aircraft carrier in front of a mission accomplished banner.

Zip, Hong Kong was always gonsky without a shot being fired. Trump was cheated. These aren’t things the anti-christ could have figured. In any event, the point was that you won’t win a war with a very contagious flu.

cohenite
March 14, 2022 10:15 pm
Indolent
Indolent
March 14, 2022 10:16 pm

NSW Premier Dominic Perrotett just publicly admitted the QR Codes mandates was just a media stunt!

They actually said at the time they weren’t tracking and tracing but people were still religious “checking in”. I hope a few people wake up at least.

C.L.
C.L.
March 14, 2022 10:18 pm

Paul Monk had a piece in The Australian on his friend, Senator Kitching, today.
He had lunch with her hours before her death. As they were leaving, the restaurateur proudly mentioned their table was once used by Shane Warne.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 14, 2022 10:22 pm

Bus conductors bowled out for 148.

Leading by 414 first innings runs, Cummins bats again rather than enforcing the follow on – probably because the pitch is turning to shit.

If they’re batting again they want to get 100 or 150 sharpish, and then have the best part of two days to bowl them out again on a crumbler.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:24 pm

A few of the more rabid Putin fanboys here have suggested that the Ukrainian president is financially corrupt as he’s now a billionaire or at least has been since he gained the job. Where’s the evidence for this?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
March 14, 2022 10:27 pm

Tim

Don’t these state restrictions run counter to assumptions that can be made more broadly within the federal constitution.

For instance, about a decade ago, a court held that there is an implied right to free speech in Australia. If this is so then why would other fundamental rights be trampled as free speech would be girding all other such positive rights.

Actually that’s a good question JC.
The High Court could, in theory, do something like it did in the “free speech” cases to declare mandates (or other covid restrictions) constitutionally invalid because of some hidden guarantee of some right.
So there’s in theory a chance that they could be found unconstitutional.
But I think that the free speech cases aren’t an exact analogy. Those cases were primarily about private citizens suing for defamation, not about limiting State governments’ “emergency” actions. Given that the High Court wouldn’t make McClownshow open the WA border for Fat Clive even though the Commonwealth constitution expressly says that trade etc between the states shall be “absolutely free”, it’s unlikely that the Courts will find other hidden constitutional restrictions on those emergency powers.
So – fair question and the answer isn’t a definite “no”, but until and unless someone gets a majority of a Court of sufficient jurisdiction to say otherwise, the position is that if it’s validated by duly enacted State legislation it’s the law.

C.L.
C.L.
March 14, 2022 10:31 pm

He was mentioned in the Pandora Papers, JC.
Doesn’t mean he’s a billionaire but he’s obviously very rich.
Before he became an icon (two weeks ago), papers like the Washington Post (October 2021) were suspicious:

The Pandora Papers named 38 Ukrainian politicians — the most out of any country — but President Volodymyr Zelensky, who campaigned as an anti-corruption candidate, has yet to respond to the investigation.

The leaks disclosed that Zelensky, a former comedian, and his partners in show business owned multiple offshore companies, including at least one that was involved in the purchase of several properties in central London.

Just before his election, Zelensky transferred his stake in one of the companies registered in the British Virgin Islands to an associate who later became the president’s top aide.

An adviser to Zelensky’s chief of staff said Monday that the Ukrainian leader established the offshore network in 2012 to “protect” the income generated by him and his associates in the entertainment industry under the pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych.

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 10:32 pm
JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:33 pm

Thanks for the explanation, Tim. I had forgotten big fat Clive lost that case.

Arky
March 14, 2022 10:33 pm

Ukraine has done well.
Xi’s tiny cock and balls will have retreated up into his reeking guts at the idea of having a go at Taiwan.
God bless Ukraine.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
March 14, 2022 10:36 pm

Twostixsays:
March 14, 2022 at 9:47 pm
Currently watching a bunch of Victorians contorting themselves into fixing up the utter lawless tyranny that was unleashed upon them – alone in all the world – as “well it was totally legal”.

Lol.

The death camps in the USSR were all legal too.

It’s really not hard to see why Victoria is such a world class shitshow. And no, it’s not all “leftists” fault.

The mentally competent among readers will understand that there’s a difference between expressing the view that something is legal under the current system, and actually supporting it being done.
Nobody on this site, to my knowledge, has supported it.
Those who oppose it may well point out the grounds for concluding that it’s not illegal, in order to attempt to persuade people not to waste time effort and energy on speculative and improbable legal arguments, so that time effort and energy may be focussed instead on actions that aren’t doomed to fail.
(Having said that, JC pointed out above that stranger things have happened in the High Court – but I still think that there’s no existing authority for a legal challenge to the mandates etc, and you’d be asking a Court to cut a declaration of invalidity out of whole cloth, with very little practical chance of success.)

Winston Smith
March 14, 2022 10:36 pm

srr:

Australia is now a country where you can be sent to jail for praying for someone.

Turbocharged Woke Insanity.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:36 pm

CL

Isn’t this an important point.

Just before his election, Zelensky transferred his stake in one of the companies registered in the British Virgin Islands to an associate who later became the president’s top aide.

It’s suggestive the stakes were accumulated before he became president.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 14, 2022 10:36 pm

A few of the more rabid Putin fanboys here have suggested that the Ukrainian president is financially corrupt as he’s now a billionaire or at least has been since he gained the job

Name these “more rabid Putin fanboys”.
3 years ago this clown was playing a piano with his cock, now he’s a Billionaire?
Did he win UkeLotto every night for 3 years?
Or is there a more obvious explanation?

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 10:38 pm

Thank you CL.
My very laywoman description of ‘self excommunication’ was intended to convey that sense that a person’s own actions are what matters.
And thank you very extra much for making it clear that Andrews is ‘an apostate and a heretic’.
Hopefully that puts an end to claims here he is a ‘Catholic’.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:42 pm

I’m not letting anything out of the bag like doxing someone as Tim has mentioned it before that he’s a tax attorney. Tim would be able to confirm this below.

Owning a BVI doesn’t mean the owner is a crook or that crooked tax deals are going through a British Virgin Islands entity no matter how evil the ABC suggests it is.

Top Ender
Top Ender
March 14, 2022 10:42 pm

A few cutting comments about the woke BAFTAs…

Best line on The Power of the Dog…The fact that the Netflix western – the most self-indulgent, boring and pointless movie I’ve ever seen – was named Best Film is just one of the many reasons why it’s time for the BBC to axe the snobfest that the BAFTAs has sadly become in the name of diversity and political correctness.

Gab
Gab
March 14, 2022 10:43 pm

Andrews is not a practising Catholic and has self excommunicated by publicly supporting abortion, he clearly, by his actions, holds the church in contempt and I see zero evidence he is the slightest bit interested in repentance.

Quite. And he had no problem with receiving Communion, with the bishop as the main celebrant in attendance, at Bert Newton’s funeral, committing sacrilege publicly . Which is a scandal. Wonder if the bishop – a fan of Andrews – said anything to him afterwards? Most likely not.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:43 pm

Yeah nah. It starts with having trusted these clowns for almost 2 decades and seen them squander that trust repeatedly. Never again.

And Putin’s the answer to die on that rock?

Winston Smith
March 14, 2022 10:43 pm

Zipster et al:

Even if Covid is an attempt at a bioweapon, it wouldn’t win you a war.

Bioweapons are a psychological weapon, meant to terrorise a population. (Or give their governments an excuse to terrorise them like some of our own leaders who have psychopathic tendencies.)

Gab
Gab
March 14, 2022 10:45 pm

Hopefully that puts an end to claims here he is a ‘Catholic’.

He is a baptised Catholic and once that happens it is an indelible mark on the soul. So yes, he is still a Catholic.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:46 pm

Winston

STFU as your opinions are worthless.

Zipster
Zipster
March 14, 2022 10:46 pm

Zip, Hong Kong was always gonsky without a shot being fired. Trump was cheated. These aren’t things the anti-christ could have figured. In any event, the point was that you won’t win a war with a very contagious flu.

The wife at the start of the pandemic reckoned the demonrats were in on it with china. I laughed at her, what a ridiculous idea… then we find out the yanks funded gain of function research there… then we find out the cia was actually funding it through an ngo… er what the fuck!

C.L.
C.L.
March 14, 2022 10:46 pm

For instance, about a decade ago, a court held that there is an implied right to free speech in Australia. If this is so then why would other fundamental rights be trampled as free speech would be girding all other such positive rights.

Great question. About 18 months ago, I was going on about the importance of a Constitutional Convention to resolve all the damage done to this country’s liberties. Now I realise it would be rigged and wouldn’t achieve anything anyway. We need case law but it doesn’t seem to develop here as quickly as it does in the US. Few people have the money to take a matter all the way to the High Court. Second – we have a problem in the judiciary all the way up the line. Not only are most judges Labor mates, they are also moralising vibe statists. For ‘implied rights’ to organically colonise other heads of constitutional power in such a way that would protect a wider suite of customary liberties – and for the same reason – we need that argument to be presented and for a majority of the bench to accept it.

MatrixTransform
March 14, 2022 10:46 pm

We’ve been having breathless reports of millions dying from vaccination since early 2021.

what’s a couple of orders of magnitude between friends?

it’s for the greater good right?

Gab
Gab
March 14, 2022 10:49 pm

Mapping the NATO timeline since 1949. Basically NATO countries – except soon to be NATO member Ukraine – vs Russia.

1 min video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug2468hDl6E

rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 10:49 pm

No, he’s an apostate and a heretic.
Like I said, when it comes to Catholic theology I know whose opinions I value.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:49 pm

Zip

I can’t bring myself to believe that. It doesn’t mean I have any superior skills to counter that, but evil as they are, I can’t believe it of them.

feelthebern
feelthebern
March 14, 2022 10:50 pm
rosie
rosie
March 14, 2022 10:52 pm
JC
JC
March 14, 2022 10:52 pm

feelthebern says:
March 14, 2022 at 10:50 pm

This bird can play.

They’re not real even though plastic is fanastic. 🙂

Figures
Figures
March 14, 2022 10:52 pm

Jay Bhattacharya
@DrJBhattacharya
·
14h
Covid antibodies found in stored blood from Sept/Nov 2019 in European blood banks. The implications are enormous.

1. Long before the official start date, it was too late to stop the disease from spreading across the earth. We have wasted 2 years on lockdowns for nothing.

Funny. I said in January 2020 that, in the absence of a time machine, nobody could possibly know this virus was novel to humans (assuming it existed).

Of course this won’t make any difference. If you believe being in contact with an unvaxed kid at school will cause you to die of measles but you can visit doctors every other day in perfect safety you’ll believe anything.

Isn’t that right Rex and Tim?

Twostix
Twostix
March 14, 2022 10:52 pm

Given that the exact same people that are bizarrely claiming that all actions taken are completely lawful because the Magical Powers Act makes it so, also denouncingly denounce any form of violent protest in response….

One wonders how exactly they would expect a ‘legal’ tyranny – I.e all tyrannies since, ever to be met?

They organized a very satisfying email campaign at one point. Powerful statement!

C.L.
C.L.
March 14, 2022 10:57 pm

Ukraine has done well.
Xi’s tiny cock and balls will have retreated up into his reeking guts at the idea of having a go at Taiwan.
God bless Ukraine.

This conclusion is based on ‘stalled campaign’ propaganda.
Russia’s invasion, militarily, is proceeding pretty effectively – certainly far better and far more swiftly that America’s of Iraq. I would also point out that fighting even a defensive war with no prospect of success is contrary to just-war doctrine and could be considered immoral.

It could also be argued that the lionisation of a government that forced its predecessor out with extreme violence inspires China to believe a Vichy government in Taipei will sooner or later be accepted by the world’s ‘realists.’

Right?

DaFisk
DaFisk
March 14, 2022 10:59 pm

I would also point out that fighting even a defensive war with no prospect of success is contrary to just-war doctrine and could be considered immoral.

Sorry, let’s just get this on the record. Do you believe that Ukrainians have the right to defend their country from the Russian invasion or not?

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 14, 2022 10:59 pm
Twostix
Twostix
March 14, 2022 11:01 pm

In the 90’s there used to be all these whacky guys who’d go around going on and on about how our british inherited common law rights were being secretly abolished in a sneaky campaign waged by the legal fraternity and governments to transform us into quasi republic by stealth.

Should have listened!

DaFisk
DaFisk
March 14, 2022 11:01 pm

If Just War Doctrine is just another form of consequentialism, what are we to say of a guy who starts a war, kills tens of thousands of civilians, and utterly destroys his own country’s economy???

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 11:03 pm

I’ve consistently been saying that this is a matter beyond whoever is leader of RUS (or US) at any one time.

Please explain. “Whoever is leader of Russia”? What do you actually mean by this?

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 14, 2022 11:03 pm

Do you believe that Ukrainians have the right to defend their country from the Russian invasion or not?

The Ukes prevented every man between 18 and 60 from exiting the country
with the threat of being shot on the spot.
Does that sound like oppressed masses want to die for Zelenskyy?

Gab
Gab
March 14, 2022 11:05 pm

No, he’s an apostate and a heretic.
Like I said, when it comes to Catholic theology I know whose opinions I value.

Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark of belonging to Christ. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation. Cf. CCC paragraph 1727.

cohenite
March 14, 2022 11:06 pm

Palmer’s mining lease case against the fucktard Mcgowan is an abomination. Palmer and Minerology had won 2 arbitrations, which were the prescribed dispute resolution methods in the government contract Palmer had with the carpetbaggers. They introduced in effect retrospective legislation making null and void the arbitrations and the base agreement and all rights therein.

Basically the HC agreed state governments can do such a thing. Talk of individual rights to lessor citizens then Palmer are therefore moot. Although the outcome of Palmer’s defamation claim will be interesting.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
March 14, 2022 11:06 pm

Owning a BVI doesn’t mean the owner is a crook or that crooked tax deals are going through a British Virgin Islands entity no matter how evil the ABC suggests it is.

Correct.
Plenty of government owned money here in Australia is invested through feeder funds in the Caribbean. (OK, that doesn’t prove there’s no corruption….).
But JC’s right. Plenty of transnational investment funds are based in places like the BVI.
Each investment is taxed in the country it’s located, each investor is taxed in the investor’s country of residence, so having the actual fund based in the BVI or similar just means that a global type fund doesn’t create a third potential layer of tax.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
March 14, 2022 11:07 pm

Zelensky, the great white democratic hope has the opposition leader under arrest.
Every chance the chap is a crook but funny how the holier than thou EU ran dead on it.
https://www.euronews.com/amp/2021/05/13/ukraine-opposition-leader-and-putin-ally-under-house-arrest-after-being-charged-with-treas

And here’s the obligatory Vlad is a turd disclaimer.

It’s the biggest liars war of the current year.
The media have gone the full Pallywood.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 14, 2022 11:07 pm

Perhaps the most cogent line in Ed’s link is towards the end, where the author says:

I think I lost my mind somewhere in Paragraph 3…

The rest of it is less inspirational.

DaFisk
DaFisk
March 14, 2022 11:07 pm

The Ukes prevented every man between 18 and 60 from exiting the country
with the threat of being shot on the spot.

lmao.ru

C.L.
C.L.
March 14, 2022 11:10 pm

…what are we to say of a guy who starts a war, kills tens of thousands of civilians, and utterly destroys his own country’s economy???

Good morning, Mr Bush?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
March 14, 2022 11:12 pm

Given that the exact same people that are bizarrely claiming that all actions taken are completely lawful…

Did anyone claim that? I certainly didn’t. For example I pointed out that the Courts have in fact overturned a number of covid fines.

because the Magical Powers Act makes it so, also denouncingly denounce any form of violent protest in response….

Well I didn’t denounce “violence” by protesters in response to whatever you’re saying they responded to.
But that doesn’t disprove your statement, because I didn’t say “all actions taken are completely lawful”, therefore I’m not one of those “exact same people”.

JC
JC
March 14, 2022 11:13 pm

It means that whoever was Russian President would have acted in more or less the same way re Ukraine.

Perhaps, perhaps not. However, that’s not what is being discussed.

Twostix
Twostix
March 14, 2022 11:13 pm

A few of the more rabid Putin fanboys here have suggested that the Ukrainian president is financially corrupt as he’s now a billionaire or at least has been since he gained the job

Russian oligarchs bad. Ukraine oligarchs who fund democrat warchests in the US good.

I can’t imagine how “libertarianism” reached the dizzying heights of success that it has!

Iron Cove
Iron Cove
March 14, 2022 11:14 pm

DaFisk,
+100

jupes
jupes
March 14, 2022 11:15 pm

I would also point out that fighting even a defensive war with no prospect of success is contrary to just-war doctrine and could be considered immoral.

I consider just-war doctrine immoral.

Twostix
Twostix
March 14, 2022 11:20 pm

Oh fisky.

Still stuck in 2014 with dot on the Ukraine issue.

But what of your brave Maidan hero Poroshenko being denounced as a traitor by Zelensky and fleeing the country last year? No sympathy for him, no mention of that unperson? The modern Trotsky, no?

Sad!

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