Open Thread – Weekend 26 Mar 2022


Giovannina sitting by the window, Pavel Chistyakov, 1864

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Winston Smith
March 26, 2022 9:38 pm

Calli:

I wore a crinoline and fichu, of course.

Did he?

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 9:42 pm

Winston Smithsays:
March 26, 2022 at 9:36 pm
The Frolicking Mole:

If I had to make a guess at the most likely cause that would be it.
Something goes dicky with the electrics, spiral into VF and dead in minutes.

Second is EMD with a ventricle full of clots.
Third would be structural issues like Aortic Aneurysm.
Fourth – Spontaneous Cardiac Tamponade from blunt trauma.

Nah, he got the death hit.

Is the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart real? Balls.

rickw
rickw
March 26, 2022 9:44 pm

Solomons / China agreement.

How asleep at the wheel must the Australian Mongocracy be?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 26, 2022 9:50 pm

rsrsrsrrsrs at 4.57:

Only ONE nurse in the whole of an Emergency Treatment Wing of a Major Hospital thanks to Covid Mandates.

Alternate scenario:

Only ONE nurse in an entire ED willing to listen to a frizzy madwoman’s ball lightning story. Again and again.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 9:50 pm

That’s more your “cockatoo caught in a rabbit trap” Rabz.

Rabz
March 26, 2022 9:50 pm

How asleep at the wheel must the Australian Mongocracy be?

That would be “Dead at the Wheel”. Again.

calli
calli
March 26, 2022 9:51 pm

Did he?

Hunting pink and top boots. What else?

Rabz
March 26, 2022 9:55 pm

Some more “R ‘n’R”.

To paraphrase good ol’ Rog, “We turned the radio on and suddenly we were screeching about our crowns being entangled in a barbed wire fence, again

Sheesh.

There really are some philistines on this blogue. 🙁

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 26, 2022 9:56 pm

If one were to go back to this morning and look at the bonus Moran toon lotocoti put up, one could be forgiven for believing it was drawn by John Constantine.

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 9:58 pm

Rabzsays:
March 26, 2022 at 9:55 pm
Some more “R ‘n’R”.

To paraphrase good ol’ Rog, “We turned the radio on and suddenly we were screeching about our crowns being entangled in a barbed wire fence, again”

Sheesh.

There really are some philistines on this blogue

I prefer the live version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf65QarZLik

Rabz
March 26, 2022 10:05 pm

Thank you John H.

You’re one of only about five (?) Lou fans on this blogue.

What a regrettable situation.

So exactly who is a Lou fan on this blogue? (myself, jupes and John H for starters)

Yay or Nay, peoples. The man’s legendary self indulgence should not be allowed to go unacknowledged.

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 10:05 pm

rickwsays:
March 26, 2022 at 9:44 pm
Solomons / China agreement.

How asleep at the wheel must the Australian Mongocracy be?

There’s a wheel?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 10:09 pm

How asleep at the wheel must the Australian Mongocracy be?

This is the end result of twenty years or more of Furrin Ministers running around the world chasing the Clooney/Di Caprio set, attending G’Day USA piss-ups and fashion shows whilst the Pacific goes to hell in a handbasket.
Hi Julie.
Mwah!

Real Deal
Real Deal
March 26, 2022 10:11 pm

Rog – dancing around in the kitchen (while doing the dishes) with my erstwhile sister, looking out on a Sydney night sky in 1975.

I remember listening to it driving my parent’s HQ Holden on a tinny AM radio. Great song but a hypocritical rich man who wore guy-liner and make up in that Dancing in the Dark clip with a then hawt Courtney Cox.

johanna
johanna
March 26, 2022 10:16 pm

I’m an unashamed Lou fan, Rabz.

Springsteen has never floated my boat, though.

Rabz
March 26, 2022 10:16 pm

The Lofgren’s guitar

Could we hear some examples, please, Cats? I’m not aware of his work*, unless it was blended into some others’ work. He ended up in the E-Street Band, hailed as a “teenage guitar prodigy” and apparently is still in there. Also, he played Fenders?

*Yeah, yeah, pardon me ignorance, etc … 😕

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 10:19 pm

Alternate scenario:

Only ONE nurse in an entire ED willing to listen to a frizzy madwoman’s ball lightning story. Again and again.

Emergency Department CCTV.

Rabz
March 26, 2022 10:20 pm

a hypocritical rich man

Reals – Who here* has never been a hypocritical personage in their lives?

It’s why I’m no longer a collectivist. The hypocrisy became unbearable.

*Feel free to step forward and confess, you bourgeois criminals! 🙂

JC
JC
March 26, 2022 10:22 pm

JC, are you playing the ingenue?

Am I being naive? No, I not.

You must know that if manufacturing is 7% of GDP that has nothing to do with it growing. The economy is not fixed, if say manufacturing doubles then GDP would increase without any negative effects on any other sector. The pie gets bigger and we’re all better off.

I think you’re missing the point. I’m not suggesting manufacturing isn’t growing in Dollar terms each year as it obviously can without increasing its relative share of GDP. What I’m saying, and also pointing out, is that we have a very large mining sector in relative terms and incidentally, also quite a significant agricultural sector. We also have limited investment resources. Investment needs to find its way to our most efficient industry sectors in terms of ROI. If manufacturing was a returning a relatively high return, capital would find its way to that sector. But it’s not. We have two of the most efficient sectors in the world, which are mining and agriculture. Diverting capital away from these two sectors to manufacturing through government edict would lower our living standard in relative terms, so be happy with what we have. Leave our capital allocation structure well enough alone as we’re doing really well.

The big problem in the short to medium term is that when we sent our manufacturing offshore, all those skilled jobs went with it. There’s hundreds of thousands of young men working in building. Thirty years ago many of them would’ve worked in manufacturing, instead of skilled manufacturing trades they’ve become building tradesmen. If our housing and commercial demand collapses, there’s going to be many young disgruntled men and that’s never good.

Capitalism is risk. Life is risk. We need to be flexible in times of adversity.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 10:22 pm

I think I may have sparked gittar wars 2.0.
This could be bigger than trucks vs trains.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 26, 2022 10:22 pm

Mrs. Richards. Of course.

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 10:24 pm

Real Dealsays:
March 26, 2022 at 10:11 pm
Rog – dancing around in the kitchen (while doing the dishes) with my erstwhile sister, looking out on a Sydney night sky in 1975.

I remember listening to it driving my parent’s HQ Holden on a tinny AM radio. Great song but a hypocritical rich man who wore guy-liner and make up in that Dancing in the Dark clip with a then hawt Courtney Cox.

He certainly wasn’t rich when he wrote that song. In the prior album, The Wild, The Innocent, and the E Street Shuffle there is the song, Rosie, with the line “but your daddy doesn’t know the record company just gave me a big advance.” That album was never going to be a commercial success because too many of the songs were long ballads but it did demonstrate his song writing ability and the maturity of the band. Born to Run was clearly produced to be the big commercial hit. It has great songs but it is so different from The Wild. “Jungleland” is “fighting for the record machine”. Do people listen to lyrics anymore or am I a freak in that regard?

Rabz
March 26, 2022 10:25 pm

Springsteen has never floated my boat

Then prepare for a visit from this very convincing man, Joh.

You’ll be loving this li’l ditty before you know it. 🙂

Rabz
March 26, 2022 10:27 pm

Mrs. Richards

WHAT?

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 10:27 pm

We also have limited investment resources. Investment needs to find its way to our most efficient industry sectors in terms of ROI. If manufacturing was a returning a relatively high return, capital would find its way to that sector. But it’s not.

So you have no interest in Ormerod’s concept of path dependency.

JC
JC
March 26, 2022 10:31 pm

In order to get things into perspective, mining is .9% of American GDP. Yes, that’s a point in front of the 9. Whereas as mining in 15% of Australian GDP, which also has extremely high wage rates and is without question the most efficient mining sector in the world.

Mining is arguably a form of making stuff too.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 10:32 pm

You’ll be loving this li’l ditty before you know it. 

Even more when you hear this version.

Rabz
March 26, 2022 10:33 pm

Investment needs to find its way to our most efficient industry sectors in terms of ROI. If manufacturing was a returning a relatively high return, capital would find its way to that sector

Sacré bleu. I retreated here to escape the banality of economics, JC, not to revel in it. 😕

JC
JC
March 26, 2022 10:34 pm

John H,

I don’t quite get what you’re suggesting and why?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 10:36 pm

This one?
An acquired taste.

Real Deal
Real Deal
March 26, 2022 10:38 pm

Reals – Who here* has never been a hypocritical personage in their lives?

Of course you’re right, Rabz. Anonymity means I can switch self-awareness off. I guess if the Boss was a one hit wonder with Born to Run, he would not have a duel career as a snarling Democrat.

I’ve never worn make-up or guy-liner though. Well, not in public at any rate.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
March 26, 2022 10:40 pm

This one?
An acquired taste.

I qwite wiked it. 🙂

(I will be vewy, vewy quiet now. Or I’ll get hunted by Wabz…)

JC
JC
March 26, 2022 10:47 pm

Then prepare for a visit from this very convincing man, Joh.

You’ll be loving this li’l ditty before you know it. ?

I went to two of his converts in the US. One was at the Garden and the other was in New Jersey (I know, how could I, right?). He gave me our money’s worth as he played for around 3 hours at each concert.

How could you not like this song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiCxqhu9cio

Rabz
March 26, 2022 10:48 pm

Pancho says:
March 26, 2022 at 10:32 pm

Thanks, Squire, we have ourselves a serious study in contrasts.

The Johnny C version is dark, slow, searing and not in the least bit romantic.

The Springsteen version is more up tempo, slightly more listener friendly and transformed into a romantic tale.

You have done well. We need more such analysis of the seemingly anodyne pop songs that blight our lives. So they can be drip fed to the Bosi before his next confrontational contretemps with a magistrate. 🙂

JC
JC
March 26, 2022 10:50 pm

I guess if the Boss was a one hit wonder with Born to Run, he would not have a duel career as


He’s an entertainer. Who gives a rats what the fuck he thinks about the economy, US Russia relations or Trump? Folks need to stop listening to entertainers about anything other than their specialty, which is entertaining.

johanna
johanna
March 26, 2022 10:51 pm

I’ve been forced to listen to a lot of Springsteen (some of my best friends think he’s the bees’ knees) and it has had no effect on my opinion.

It’s the same with Mozart. I know he was a genius, but despite having listened to a great deal of it – my father is a huge fan – it does nothing for me at all.

I doubt that we have much control over our musical likes and dislikes/indifferences.

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 10:51 pm

JCsays:
March 26, 2022 at 10:34 pm
John H,

I don’t quite get what you’re suggesting and why?

You’re investing heavily in biotech. There is enough capital to spread it across industries. We excel at mining and agriculture but that doesn’t exclude investment in other sectors. It’s like an investment portfolio: spread it around. Biotech, IT, prosthetics, machine learning, energy infrastructure are all going to be huge industries down the track and we have enough talent and capital to least have a shot at those industries.

Rabz
March 26, 2022 10:55 pm

He’s an entertainer. Who gives a rats what the f*ck he thinks about the economy, US Russia relations or the Trumpeter? Fokes need to stop listening to entertainers about anything other than their specialty, which is entertaining.

Exactly. If I want the lowdown on the Wussia/’kraine contretemps, I’ll ask good ol’ Arks, as opposed to Miss Ellie or Janet Planet. 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 10:59 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

March 26, 2022 at 10:22 pm

Mrs. Richards. Of course.

Tips for advancing in the queue in A&E:-
.1 Tell them you are related to one of the higher ups in a particular medical field;
.2 Update them every five minutes on how long you’ve been waiting;
.3 Tell them the person who queue jumped you doesn’t look terribly sick;
.4 Make loud phone calls to relatives complaining about how long it is taking;
.5 Tell them you have something really quite important to attend to and can’t afford to hang around;
.6 Ask the Indian doctor where he got his degree;
.7 Tell the young intern you would prefer someone with more experience;
.8 And, of course, insist on seeing the manager;

srr
srr
March 26, 2022 10:59 pm

The visuals seem gratuitous because the songs are pure sex on their own but no doubt plenty enough both lads & lasses do appreciate the visuals –

Wicked Game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd-qI62gNJM

Baby Did a Bad Bad Thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRxxh3CzJXk

JC
JC
March 26, 2022 11:01 pm

You’re investing heavily in biotech.

Specifically, I own two US biotech ETFs which have about 20 stocks in each fund. I don’t fucking know which stock is going to the moon, but there’s a chance one or even a couple will. I’m not a scientist. What’s the point?

There is enough capital to spread it across industries.

Yes, there’s enough capital for Australia to have a manufacturing sector of 7% of GDP and mining at 15%. Capital should be allowed to and find the highest return. Once you fuck around with this it begins to impact living standards.

We excel at mining and agriculture but that doesn’t exclude investment in other sectors.

No, it doesn’t.

It’s like an investment portfolio: spread it around. Biotech, IT, prosthetics, machine learning, energy infrastructure are all going to be huge industries down the track and we have enough talent and capital to least have a shot at those industries.

There’s no claim here that investment in any sector should be zero. Just allow investors to make a choice on their own without subsidies or restrictions.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 11:05 pm

Another cover of a Bruce Flintstone ditty by a Luverlee Ladee.

miltonf
miltonf
March 26, 2022 11:06 pm

Speaking of the summer of 75-76- my favorite

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 11:08 pm

johannasays:
March 26, 2022 at 10:51 pm
I’ve been forced to listen to a lot of Springsteen (some of my best friends think he’s the bees’ knees) and it has had no effect on my opinion.

It’s the same with Mozart. I know he was a genius, but despite having listened to a great deal of it – my father is a huge fan – it does nothing for me at all.

I doubt that we have much control over our musical likes and dislikes/indifferences.

We don’t have much control. It’s obvious our tastes are very much formed before we’re 25 and only a sustained conscious effort to search out and listen to new music can change that. Sometimes we have train our senses to appreciate something new in our world. I can still remember listening to Luminescence for weeks and then one day it just struck me how beautiful parts of it were(though for the most part Jarrett butchered the orchestral composition, saved in part by Garbarek’s playing).

With the exception of 2 song on The Wild I’ve long stopped listening to Springsteen. Mozart is too pretty for me. I prefer modern classical music from the likes of ECM Records and lately picked up some wonderful music from the Polish musician Hania Rani. It’s not for everyone but because I listen to music so much of course I have to spread my likes around. This lament is an old favourite of mine.

Morsie
Morsie
March 26, 2022 11:10 pm

First side of Born to Run vinyl arguably at least by me,the best ever :
Born to Run
Jungleland
Thunder Road
Rest of the album,not so much

Oh come on
Oh come on
March 26, 2022 11:11 pm

Foo Fighters drummer Taylor Hawkins dies aged 50

Oh. These things happen, I guess.

Could someone please direct me to a large and preferably soft pile of sand. I need somewhere to bury my head.

JC
JC
March 26, 2022 11:13 pm

Wifey hates Springsteen. I almost had to drag her to those two concerts. She reckons he screams his songs.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 11:14 pm

After last night I can safely eliminate one musical genre from my favourites.
That is, heavy metal covers belted out at volume eleventy in a dingy bar.
A young relative is an aspiring head-banger.
People in Seattle this morning were woken by a sound which was probably Kurt Cobain spinning in his grave at 1200 rpm.

srr
srr
March 26, 2022 11:15 pm

This is hilarious –

Diversity Hire Nonce is the Poster Democrat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUf_EqYS0AU

Mar 26, 2022
The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

Rabz
March 26, 2022 11:17 pm

Miss Ellie, expounding on those regrettable difficulties in Eastern Europe. 🙂

cohenite
March 26, 2022 11:17 pm

The Expanse is pretty damn good: novels and series.

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 11:18 pm

JCsays:
March 26, 2022 at 11:01 pm
You’re investing heavily in biotech.

Specifically, I own two US biotech ETFs which have about 20 stocks in each fund. I don’t fucking know which stock is going to the moon, but there’s a chance one or even a couple will. I’m not a scientist. What’s the point?

Biotech is a huge risk. It’s impossible even for the bods to know what will pan out. I read a report today about a very promising breakthrough for cancer treatment. It intrigued me because the study highlighted how inhibiting the A2A receptor very much heightened the immune response against tumours and I know that caffeine inhibits A2A but that wasn’t mentioned in the report, possibly because the bods don’t know that. They developed a drug to do the job. Will it work? Perhaps. Caffeine certainly won’t because we’d have to consume so much of it our hearts would explode. That’s the catch with this treatment, anything that inhibits A2A could have disastrous cardiac implications but of course they didn’t mention that in the study because they want that funding money coming through the door.

There’s no claim here that investment in any sector should be zero. Just allow investors to make a choice on their own without subsidies or restrictions.

My bad, I misunderstood you. Sorry.

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 11:20 pm

cohenitesays:
March 26, 2022 at 11:17 pm
The Expanse is pretty damn good: novels and series.

Like so many series these days I enjoy the first 1-3 seasons then it gets boring.

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2022 11:23 pm

Rabzsays:
March 26, 2022 at 10:55 pm
He’s an entertainer. Who gives a rats what the f*ck he thinks about the economy, US Russia relations or the Trumpeter? Fokes need to stop listening to entertainers about anything other than their specialty, which is entertaining.

Exactly. If I want the lowdown on the Wussia/’kraine contretemps, I’ll ask good ol’ Arks, as opposed to Miss Ellie or Janet Plane

There is a great line is an under appreciated 2 season comedy series, Party Down. “Acting has to be simple because actors are dumb.”

Real Deal
Real Deal
March 26, 2022 11:25 pm

After Meat Loaf’s recent death, I think I read that the first record company rejected Bat out of Hell because they thought it was a Springsteen parody. Listening to it I can see why. It’s got that same jangly Spector Wall of Sound style.

JC
JC
March 26, 2022 11:26 pm

cohenite says:
March 26, 2022 at 11:17 pm

The Expanse is pretty damn good: novels and series.

I guess simple minds are very easy to please.

JC
JC
March 26, 2022 11:30 pm

Anyone watching We Crash on Apple +. I cannot believe how those idiots ended up getting so much money for investment in real estate.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 11:32 pm

There’s no claim here that investment in any sector should be zero. Just allow investors to make a choice on their own without subsidies or restrictions.

That is what pushes my buttons.
We had a suggestion earlier that we produce cheap coal fired power (so far so good) and then subsidise it to turbo charge manufacturing.
No.
Just no.
Government should get the hell out of subsidising anything.
Coal, wind, nukes, gas, solar, the lot.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 26, 2022 11:33 pm

Real Dealsays:

March 26, 2022 at 11:25 pm

After Meat Loaf’s recent death

Wut?
Mr Loaf is dead?

srr
srr
March 26, 2022 11:37 pm

The road to Ukraine started with 1999’s Kosovo War
Supporters of NATO’s war on Yugoslavia have no right to talk about law, sovereignty or borders

Pretty much everyone who has spent the past month moralizing about the sanctity of borders, sovereignty of countries, and how unacceptable it was for great powers to “bully” smaller neighbors – thinking of Russia and Ukraine – paused on Thursday to sing praises to a woman that championed all of those things back in 1999. Except since it was NATO doing them to Yugoslavia, Madeleine Albright was a hero and an icon, obviously.

On March 24, 1999, NATO launched an air war against Serbia and Montenegro, then known as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The publicly stated aim of Operation Allied Force was to compel Belgrade to accept the ultimatum given at the French chateau of Rambouillet the month before: Hand the province of Kosovo over to NATO “peacekeepers” and allow ethnic Albanian separatists to declare independence.

When the bombers failed to achieve that within a couple of weeks, the narrative changed to NATO acting to stop a “genocide” of Albanians its cheerleader press claimed was taking place. That narrative also credited the first-ever female US secretary of state for the “humanitarian” bombing, calling it “Madeleine’s War.”

In the end, it took 78 days and a negotiated armistice for NATO troops to enter Kosovo wearing the fig leaf of a UN peacekeeping mission. They promptly turned the province over to the “Kosovo Liberation Army” terrorists, who proceeded to burn, loot, murder and expel over 200,000 non-Albanians. A real campaign of terror, intimidation, ethnic cleansing and pogroms began – and the very same media that covered for NATO by making up atrocities during the bombing now turned a blind eye, for the same reason.

*READ MORE: NATO bombing of Serbia: Tragedy in three acts

Whatever its outcome, however, it was an evil little war, launched because the US felt it could. Because Washington wanted to get rid of the restraints posed by the UN to its new global hegemony, articulated just a few years earlier by Bill Kristol and Victoria Nuland’s husband Robert Kagan. Because the rising American Empire wanted to send a message to Eastern Europe that no dissent would be tolerated, and to Russia that it was no longer a great power worth respecting.

A legalistic mind might point out that the attack violated Articles 2, 53 and 103 of the UN Charter, NATO’s own charter – the North Atlantic Treaty of 1949 (articles 1 and 7) – as well as the Helsinki Final Act of 1975 (violating the territorial integrity of a signatory state) and the 1980 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, for using coercion to compel a state to sign a treaty.

Ah, but being a world empire means making its own “rules-based order” to supplant inconvenient laws. So an “independent commission” of cheerleaders was put together to declare the operation “illegal but legitimate,” arguing it was justified because it “liberated” the Kosovo Albanians from Serb “oppression.”

The actual oppression of non-Albanians as NATO troops stood idly by – including during the vicious pogrom of March 2004 – doesn’t count, obviously. The important thing is that Bill and Hillary Clinton, Madeleine Albright, and British PM Tony Blair got monuments, streets, and even children named after them.

The “independent” Kosovo – proclaimed in 2008, in a move about as legal as the 1999 war – can’t actually do anything without the permission of the US ambassador. A great triumph of human rights, law and order, and democracy, everyone!

*READ MORE: Kosovo: A decade of dependence

NATO never cared about saving Albanian lives. If it did, it wouldn’t have partnered with the KLA, which made a point of murdering ethnic Albanians who wanted peace with the Serbs. It wouldn’t have repeatedly bombed refugee columns, then declaring it was really the Serbs’ fault somehow and that pilots dropped their bombs “in good faith” – literally something NATO spokesman Jamie Shea said on one occasion.

Twenty years on and nothing has changed. Having obliterated a family in Kabul by a drone strike last August, the US offered blood money, but refused to so much as reprimand anyone involved. Being an empire means never having to say you’re sorry. This mindset propelled the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Meanwhile, failure to overthrow the government in Belgrade through war led to a “color revolution” in Serbia instead. It was then exported to other places – including Ukraine, twice. That 2014 coup in Kiev literally started the conflict in eastern Ukraine, of which the current events are but the latest phase.

In March 1999, I was a student in the American Midwest, and had been (almost) successfully brainwashed into believing the platitudes about freedom, democracy, tolerance, objectivity, rules and laws, and how the US was a “force for good” in the world. Then, overnight, people I thought had been my friends called me a monster and believed every single bit of propaganda that came off the TV screens and newspaper pages.

*READ MORE: Experts warned for decades that NATO expansion would lead to war: Why did nobody listen to them?

I’ve made justice and remembrance something of my life mission since then, seeking to explain that rather than a good, noble and humanitarian war, Kosovo represented everything wrong about the modern world: “A monument to the power of lies, the successful murder of law, and the triumph of might over justice,” as I wrote in 2005, and repeated every year since.

The twist this year is that the people shrieking about human rights, international law and the sanctity of borders – when it comes to their client regime in Ukraine, that is – were all cheering for NATO back in 1999. Even now, they won’t apologize for it, much less disavow. So it seems it’s not really about what is being done, only who is doing it to whom. While I understand their anger as the world their lies propped up comes crashing down, they hardly have standing to complain.

https://www.rt.com/news/552646-kosovo-war-nato-ukraine-hypocrisy/

Nebojsa Malic is a Serbian-American journalist, blogger and translator, who wrote a regular column for Antiwar.com from 2000 to 2015, and is now senior writer at RT.

Bruce in WA
March 26, 2022 11:40 pm

ZK2A:

Memsahib had quite a wait, while three cases of severe burns were processed ahead of her. It subsequently emerged that a local meth plant had exploded….

On my last visit to my “medical centre” (for an ECG), I wandered in to find some bloke holding his stomach and wailing at intervals, obviously in great pain. He had a plastic bag with him into which he vomited a clear green liquid at regular intervals. No-one in the centre — staff or waiting patients — turned a hair.

Then the bloke lay down on the floor, still screaming in pain, still vomiting.

Finally, one of the staff wandered over to him.

“Get up, Andrew”, she said. “If you want to lie down, go over there”, indicating a three-seater settee off to one side.

“But it HURTS!” he wailed.

“Yes”, she said. “Withdrawal usually does.”

The one doctor on duty came out a few minutes later, snapped “Follow me!” at him and strode off to the treatment rooms.

They came back a few minutes after that and went into the doctor’s small “room”, where much shouting was heard. When the door finally opened, the young bloke came out, sans vomit bag, sans wailing and almost skipped out the front door.

srr
srr
March 26, 2022 11:41 pm

FULL INTERVIEW: The plot to scapegoat Russia. Author #DanKovalik explains how it was constructed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwc_-4qJy7U

Mar 26, 2022
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Bruce in WA
March 26, 2022 11:43 pm

Wut?
Mr Loaf is dead?

Never let your meat loaf!

Rabz
March 26, 2022 11:47 pm

the first record company rejected Bat out of Hell because they thought it was a Springsteen parody. Listening to it I can see why. It’s got that same jangly Spector Wall of Sound style

The Steinman was a Spector acolyte, Reels, with access to better equipment, which made his excesses even more unforgivable.

Wall o’ sound, turned up to eleventy.

The first track was (entirely unsurprisingly) not a single. We listened to it in 1984 about three times, joking about how preposterous it was.

But the album did gift this planet the mighty Ellen Foley, who was later disgustingly written out of the album’s mythology.

All the female vocals on the album are hers. Do not let anyone else tells you otherwise.

jupes
jupes
March 26, 2022 11:47 pm

Over the last few years or so, luxury mechanical watches have exploded in price. Parts of the watch market has probably gone insane – Rolex and Patek sports watches for example – with new models able to be sold for multiples of the RRP on the second hand market.

Here is another example of the insanity watches are causing at the minute. Omega make the Speedmaster Professional – the first watch on the moon. You can buy a new steel version of this watch now for between $9,000 and $11,000. Omega is owned by Swatch, the cheap watch manufacturer. Now Omega and Swatch have combined to make a MoonSwatch. A bioceremic (plastic) coloured watch with a Speedmaster face and quartz movement. The cost will be about $500, maybe less.

The MoonSwatch went on sale today (in Europe, dunno about Australia). Check out the queue in Amsterdam.

jupes
jupes
March 26, 2022 11:53 pm

It is a good looking watch though.

Oh come on
Oh come on
March 26, 2022 11:57 pm

Over the last few years or so, luxury mechanical watches have exploded in price. Parts of the watch market has probably gone insane – Rolex and Patek sports watches for example – with new models able to be sold for multiples of the RRP on the second hand market.

If I recall correctly, a few years ago the ‘smart money’ was saying that the iWatch would relegate these timepieces to their scrap metal value.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
March 27, 2022 12:01 am

Overheard an alt-left youngling talking on the bus today.
“If peaceful protest could change anything, they’d make it illegal.”

If ever there was a saying that was appropriate for that “black and white arms shake hands” meme, that would have to be it.
So, here you go.

Rabz
March 27, 2022 12:03 am

Speaking of Bat out o’ Hell – the guitarist on the opening track is none other than the mighty Todd Rundgren.

The song peaks from about 50 to 115 seconds, before the oaf first starts screeching.

All of the rest is waiting for Miss Ellen to front up and set them straight.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I have never knowingly heard a song by Bruce Springsteel.
I think I’ve heard at least one by Meatloaf.

John H.
John H.
March 27, 2022 12:04 am

Sancho Panzersays:
March 26, 2022 at 11:32 pm
There’s no claim here that investment in any sector should be zero. Just allow investors to make a choice on their own without subsidies or restrictions.

That is what pushes my buttons.
We had a suggestion earlier that we produce cheap coal fired power (so far so good) and then subsidise it to turbo charge manufacturing.
No.
Just no.
Government should get the hell out of subsidising anything.
Coal, wind, nukes, gas, solar, the lot.

I don’t know if these programs still exist but unbeknowns to most Aussies State and Federal governments subsidize SMEs on a regular basis through programs usually managed by public servants whom apparently government thinks are good at picking winners. I don’t know how much money is involved.

Now look at this recent announcement.
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/2065-million-support-mental-health-young-australians

No-one will challenge it as a bad idea but read this …

https://theconversation.com/recruiting-more-mental-health-workers-wont-stop-suicides-preventing-child-abuse-and-neglect-will-171110

In the last decade Antidepressant prescribing has gone through the roof, we have massively expanded government subsidized access to mental health services, yet rates of suicide are stable or perhaps slightly raised, depression and anxiety rates are stable or slightly raised, but apart from that brave soul who wrote The Conversation article who is going to protest about the increased funding?

BTW, the idea of reducing child abuse and neglect is completely validated by the research. I could wax lyrical about that and of course it is extremely relevant to that demographic that keeps insisting whitey is the cause of all their problems.

Bruce in WA
March 27, 2022 12:08 am

The MoonSwatch went on sale today (in Europe, dunno about Australia). Check out the queue in Amsterdam.

Same-same in Melbourne and Sydney. Watch was $260 (according to the teev.) Thousands lined up for city blocks — to find they only had a couple of hundred watches to sell.

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 12:13 am

That’s settled then.

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 12:15 am

Trudeau Roast at the EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olNPlTaMWmE

Mar 26, 2022
The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters
252K subscribers

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
March 27, 2022 12:20 am

Supporters of NATO’s war on Yugoslavia have no right to talk about law, sovereignty or borders

O Rly?

It’s one thing to Nuff-rage about Slavs being Slavs and calling everyone you’ve set yourself against Nazis, SRR.

But something else entirely when you’re uncritically regurgitating the spoutings of one of Vlad-Bae’s Imperial Media types in trying to justify his Holy War* against
Nazi Ukraine Nazi.

It’s no different in practice to you linking a puff-piece from Teh Grandiuan, CNN, The People’s Daily or our own ABC.

I wasn’t even aware you had the upper body strength or reach to be able to draw a bow so long, between another Slav-fight some 23 years ago that was upsetting the neighbours (Which Vlad Bae amd his Holy Warriors had absolutely no involvement in), and this one…

* Though strictly speaking, it isn’t his Holy War against the Nazi WEF Tunnel Nazi Lizards and their Nazi biolab pizzerias of Red-Shoed Nazi Doom. It’s yours. Yours, and your fellow Nuffies.’

pete of perth
pete of perth
March 27, 2022 12:29 am
MatrixTransform
March 27, 2022 12:50 am

Biotech, IT, prosthetics, machine learning, energy infrastructure are all going to be huge industries down the track

you forgot batteries.

and btw, ‘capital’ is more like vegemite than it is like butter

you don’t just spread it around you mongs

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 12:52 am

kaysee says:
March 26, 2022 at 4:20 pm

Romanian MEP, Cristian Terhes refused to attend Trudeau’s EU speech.

He put out this statement.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOkXXgqVsAQBy-z?format=png&name=medium

Last month, this was his response.
https://twitter.com/cosminDZS/status/1495191350962049025

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

srr says: March 25, 2022 at 9:11 am

Interesting viewpoint you have there.

Bruce in WA
March 27, 2022 12:58 am

This is, quite simply, amazing!

Watch her eyebrows! So damned expressive!

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Romanian MEP, Cristian Terhes refused to attend Trudeau’s EU speech.

He was far from the only one. It would seem a majority did not bother to attend.
Blackface Hitler was speaking to a mostly empty chamber.

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 1:17 am

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
March 27, 2022 at 1:03 am

Romanian MEP, Cristian Terhes refused to attend Trudeau’s EU speech.

He was far from the only one. It would seem a majority did not bother to attend.
Blackface Hitler was speaking to a mostly empty chamber.

Yeah, there was that and much more covered in the Lotus Eaters link above –

Trudeau Roast at the EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olNPlTaMWmE

It was good to watch 🙂

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
March 27, 2022 1:18 am

Watch her eyebrows! So damned expressive!

Oh. I was supposed to be watching her eyebrows?

Oh dear…

#Phwoarr

#Also,Wow!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 27, 2022 1:37 am

Jeff Fenech on Barry Hall, who got $600,000 to get sat down inside two minutes by Sonny Bill Williams:

“Barry is 45,” Fenech said, “You can have a knee replacement, a hip replacement but there’s nothing you can do about your chin.

“It doesn’t hurt me but it embarrasses me. It’s embarrassing for boxing. You can’t charge people $50 for a show like that.”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 27, 2022 2:38 am

On This Day:

1866 – President of the United States of America Andrew Johnson vetoes the Civil Rights Act of 1866. His veto is overridden by Congress and the bill passes into law on April 9.

Johnson was, of course, a Democrat.

srr
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March 27, 2022 2:51 am

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srr
srr
March 27, 2022 2:58 am

@chad509
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this is priceless….. GOD IS THE ONLY WAY……

https://gettr.com/post/p120hjib41f

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 27, 2022 3:15 am

this is priceless….. GOD IS THE ONLY WAY……

At least Greta was a bit older. I don’t find either at all convincing.

rosie
rosie
March 27, 2022 3:53 am

“Prime Minister Scott Morrison has defended refusing to meet with China’s new ambassador to Australia. (SMH/Flavio Brancaleone)
Mr Morrison was asked why he knocked back the request at a press conference today.

“For the same reason that President Xi doesn’t meet with our ambassador in China,” he said.

“When we have a situation where China has completely blocked any minister-to-minister dialogue, until that block is removed, I think Australians would think it would be very inappropriate for me to engage with that ambassador”

sometimes Morrison has a spine

Tom
Tom
March 27, 2022 4:00 am
rosie
rosie
March 27, 2022 5:07 am

Assuming this is a factual account and ignoring the Guardian spin, if Russia is content to remove military weapons and leave civilians in peace arguments that they intend to raze Ukraine seem hyperbolic.

Russian soldiers release Ukraine town mayor and agree to leave after protests

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 6:07 am

John H.says:
March 27, 2022 at 12:04 am
Cheers that was a good read.

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 6:18 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
March 27, 2022 7:30 am

More weather gaslighting.

‘Can hardly believe it!’ Brits bake in 18C heat as conditions set to worsen Monday (26 Mar)

This is crazy. You do not “bake” at 18C.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2022 7:35 am

Real Dealsays:
March 26, 2022 at 11:25 pm
After Meat Loaf’s recent death, I think I read that the first record company rejected Bat out of Hell because they thought it was a Springsteen parody. Listening to it I can see why. It’s got that same jangly Spector Wall of Sound style.

I suppose Bat out of Hell is a kind of American Gothic take on Born to Run.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2022 7:39 am

What happened at the Hall/Williams fight?

On prior form I expected Williams to lose because he used to be absolutely incompetent.

What his manager is competent at doing is finding easy fights.

Age is no excuse for Hall. 45 isn’t that old. It didn’t go down to stamina.

1994 – George Foreman (45) beat a 26 year old to become world heavyweight champion.

calli
calli
March 27, 2022 7:42 am

Reality

Because it’s Sunday

An excellent crop, Tom. The Tolkien/Lewis and Incomprehensibles ones were good too.

Anchor What
Anchor What
March 27, 2022 7:54 am

The USA is already involved in a civil war at home. It is being fought in the legal arena, but it’s only a matter of time and further perfidy before it becomes a shooting war.
One January 6 man, Oathkeepers founder, jailed for political purposes has warned Trump that he is being targetted for jailing as well. There are ongoing legal battles, the latest being brought against Trump and his adult sons.
Gateway Pundit

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2022 7:54 am

*Revealed – Neo Nazis in Australia*

Ger thanks Channel Nein!

Fair enough, they can fuck off, but what is acceptable:

Communism
Aboriginal separatism
Islamic extremism
Shithole homeland ethnic hatred
Most forms of anti Americanism
Misandry
BDS, pro Hamas
Making inflammatory art and literature about children killing clergy after a provable false accuser put an innocent man in prison (who was acquitted).
*Being Pro Pukin’*
*Giving “aid” money to the kiddies in Ukieland and it has no chance of buying MANPADS…*

Nayzees will never popular. It’s just tugging the reins of dumb people to stick to a uniparty narrative.

*Don’t think for yourself, you Nayzee anti vaxxer!!1*

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2022 7:56 am

The only moral thing to do is to accept small government, leave other people alone and engage in system disengagement from the stupid and silly things in society and government.

calli
calli
March 27, 2022 8:00 am

It’s ridiculous, Bruce. It’s 20c here at the bay and I’m in a cardigan and still feeling a bit cool (breeze off the ocean notwithstanding).

An 18C day in England is pleasant weather, fit for a picnic. And you never get sunburnt.

Maybe they’re all so fat after Covid that the layer of blubber is overheating them.

Indolent
Indolent
March 27, 2022 8:11 am

Dash Cat has a really horrendous guest post up – horrendous because it’s so plausible.

The Ukraine War: A Part of the Great Reset

I started to get shivers down my back at more and more frequent mentions of food shortages, which definitely is part of the playbook, according to Klaus himself. I was hoping the war in Ukraine might be a circuit breaker but, as far as I can see, things are still progressing exactly to plan.

Crossie
Crossie
March 27, 2022 8:17 am

Rabz says:
March 26, 2022 at 7:51 pm
Bluddee hell – a personage one might not want to mess with.

AKA, Li’l Stevie of the e-street band.

I saw Steven Van Zandt in a Norwegian tv series Lillehammer a few years ago. A real hoot.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 27, 2022 8:24 am

Test.

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 8:24 am

Another day and another demonrat up on kiddie porn charges.

AUGUSTA, Maine — A top Maine defense lawyer is representing two-time gubernatorial candidate Eliot Cutler after state police searched his Portland and Brooklin homes as part of a two-month investigation about which they have released few details so far.

Crossie
Crossie
March 27, 2022 8:25 am

And before that we had some big factories producing clothes, my grandmother worked in one of those in the Latrobe Valley for years when I was young.

In mid-70s I worked during school holidays in Surry Hills at a knitwear factory as a “finisher”, cutting off hanging sewing threads and making the garments neat for packaging. A male cousin was a fitter there and that’s how I found out they wanted students as casual workers during holidays. Great way to earn some extra spending money and not having to negotiate with mum for fashion accessories.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
March 27, 2022 8:32 am

Lillehammer, what a fun series. Thanks for reminding me Crossie. No social messaging unless it was tongue in cheek.

Pogria
Pogria
March 27, 2022 8:39 am
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 27, 2022 8:39 am

In Novichock news:

US President Joe Biden says Russia’s Vladimir Putin ‘cannot remain in power’

For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power“.

A White House official said Mr Biden was “not discussing Putin’s power in Russia or regime change”.

The official, who was not authorised to comment by name and spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Mr Biden’s point was: “Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbours or the region.”

remain (v): to continue to exist, or stay in place, after others have gone.

In the best of hands.

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 8:41 am

DrBeauGansays:
March 27, 2022 at 3:15 am
this is priceless….. GOD IS THE ONLY WAY……

At least Greta was a bit older. I don’t find either at all convincing.

Haven’t seen the original post so this is a wild guess.

It’s ok to exploit youthful ignorance because it’s owe side.

/sarc

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 8:43 am

🙂
Funny old world, some worked part time in ‘factories’ during school holidays so they could buy more fashion accessories, others left school at 14 to work arvo shift, full time in metal fabrication factories, to help their poor mother with the bills.

You’d think that the commonalities would override the differences but I usually find those who worked in their youth for personal financial advancement, have an even harder time understanding those who had to work to live.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
March 27, 2022 8:43 am

Quite true Dot but Australians have turned from being doers to takers. Not only can’t and won’t do things for themselves but won’t think either in case it hurtie what passes for brains. We have become fat and lazy as a nation.

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 8:49 am

We have become fat and lazy as a nation.

In prisen terms GreyRanga, institutionalization.

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 8:52 am

bespoke says:
March 27, 2022 at 8:41 am
DrBeauGan says:
March 27, 2022 at 3:15 am
this is priceless….. GOD IS THE ONLY WAY……

At least Greta was a bit older. I don’t find either at all convincing.

Haven’t seen the original post so this is a wild guess.

It’s ok to exploit youthful ignorance because it’s owe side.

/sarc

No, it’s actually an example of the level of education God fearing home schoolers give their children, which is the level of education kids used to get in the long ago days when ‘The West’ was still faithfully Christendom.

It’s amazing when you look back at primary school exams in ‘the olden days’ and realize just how much young children were capable of learning that actually materially benefitted their lives & those of others.

That whole, retched, “I’ll let my children pick their own religion.”, hippy shit was the beginning of the end of that most important thing, The Getting Of Wisdom.

shatterzzz
March 27, 2022 8:54 am

The Colesworth duo must be luvvin’ consumer outrage at petrol pricing whilst they get on with quietly hoovering in the cash .. LOL!
As someone who doesn’t drive petrol prices don’t affect me but groceries are still needed, unfortunately! .. Only wanted 2 things this morning margarine & cat food .. margarine, Homebrand 1kg .. 2 weeks ago $1.65 a tub .. today $2.45 …
My cat died a coupla months ago & I told the kids, “That’s it no more animals” ..
so, of course, I am now enslaved by a kitten .. Homebrand cat food, 2 months ago, 75cents a tin .. today, same tin $1.50 ..
As an OAP I’m grateful I don’t drive anyone ….. FFS!

calli
calli
March 27, 2022 8:55 am

The Beloved finished high school on the Friday and started a (pre-cadetship in town) job at a metal fabricators at Crows Nest. Plus his chemist run and other part time work. Parents reasonably well off, but he just had to work. Still going at almost 70.

There are lifters and leaners.

calli
calli
March 27, 2022 8:56 am

Missed a bit.

On the following Monday.

He gave himself the weekend off. 😀

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 8:59 am

Can you repost the link for context, srr?

And I gues I’m a hippy, Lol!

The state can’t get the basics right so why would you trust them with something as complex as religion?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 27, 2022 9:02 am

Outsiders kicking in where the WIP left off.

miltonf
miltonf
March 27, 2022 9:05 am

cnn- costello news network

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 9:10 am

Elon Musk retweeted this.

Netflix waiting for the war to end
to make a movie about a black
ukraine guy falls in love with a
transgender russian soldier

He been red pilled like crazy.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 27, 2022 9:20 am

He been red pilled like crazy.

I wonder when Elon will realise that the whole CO2/climate change/electric cars thing is horseshit?
Maybe he already does but Teslas are selling well to rich, virtue signaling wankers and it’s never a sin to separate fools from their money.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2022 9:21 am

Being a thrice married billionaire probably does jam red pills sideways up the proverbial.

Frank
Frank
March 27, 2022 9:23 am

Also the micro-dosing.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2022 9:24 am

Electric cars aren’t evil.

The idea that EV is comparable to ICE right now and can without widespread nukes can lower CO2, is misguided.

That’s even dubious if mitigation passes a CBA. The Stern Report made some woeful double counting errors in its CBA.

If you commuted from Gisborne to Melbin, an electric car might make sense.

Have a TDI 4WD for the weekends and you’re good to go.

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 9:25 am

An 1895 8th Grade Final Exam: I Couldn’t Pass It. Could You?
https://newrepublic.com/article/79470/1895-8th-grade-final-exam-i-couldnt-pass-it-could-you

There’s others, for earlier Grades that make that look like an exam for simpletons, but of course in this, “You’ll own nothing, including knowledge because it’s all in your phone”, age, our mighty search engines are very reluctant to give those up.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2022 9:26 am

Don’t be a pedant. Palimony makes “thrice married” true enough even if he didn’t put rings on fingers. I don’t read New Idea*, so I don’t know.

*I read the Cat and cut out the middleman!

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 9:26 am

Or maybe, these days a decent percentage of EV buyers will people like me who despise fuckheads like Putin and middle eastern towelheads. And we don’t want to hand them another cent.

That alone is a workable proposition in favour of EVs.

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 9:27 am

Electric cars have there place, Eyrie.

Can’t remember the show but it a had converted combi that looked fun to drive. Certainly more reliable and less annoying to drive.

If it wasn’t for the subsidies and politics people wouldn’t care.

custard
custard
March 27, 2022 9:28 am

Trump rally in Georgia today with Donald speaking at the top of the hour.

https://rumble.com/vi1or5-rsbn-live.html

YouTube pulled the plug on RSBN last week.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 27, 2022 9:29 am

Buzz cut gets the chop in gender-neutral army code
By Charlie Mitchell
The Times
10:18PM March 26, 2022
137 Comments

The macho image of Canadian soldiers threatens to be undermined by new rules on gender-neutral clothing and an end to orders on the precise length of their hair.

Male recruits will no longer be forced to adopt a buzz cut and although the military is yet to provide specifics on its dress code, some wondered whether infantrymen would soon be allowed to have earrings, bracelets and make-up. The skirts and heels once designed to attract women were phased out in 2019.

At present the codes cover type of clothing, hairstyles, jewellery, make-up and piercings. Male soldiers’ hair must not exceed 4cm on top but women’s can reach the top of the armpit.

The military insists the new standards will give troops more choice while ensuring they are appropriately and safely dressed for their duties.

“We cannot define our soldiers by short hair any more,” Major General Lise Bourgon, the acting chief of military personnel, said. “The colour and the length of your hair does not define your quality as a soldier and aviator and sailor. So this is a big departure.”

The dress code is the latest change designed to boost recruitment of women, minorities and indigenous and LGBT people, including forcing soldiers to report racism and replacing the term “seaman” with “sailor”.

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 9:29 am

Dot

The move up in the oil price has convinced me to buy a Mercedes 400 EV and I don’t give a shit about gerbiling.

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 9:32 am

At a 150 bucks a tank fill, EV is a very good economic proposition.

Frank
Frank
March 27, 2022 9:32 am

If you are going to buy an electric it probably makes more sense to do it now. By the time they predominate there won’t be enough power to run them.

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 9:35 am

Frank

In an ideal world, more EVs will force governments to make very hard decisions if an energy shortage is on the horizon. The choice can only be Nuke or more coal plants.

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 9:39 am

Fuck that, I’m so angry about this. This weekend – Friday afternoon and Saturday morning , I spent 152 plus 135 bucks on filing up two cars.

That’s ~three dollars on fuel when the equivalent fill would be 15 bucks for an EV.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2022 9:40 am

Remember when Sunday mean sitting down and watching how the Gillard government would be a good government if only it could get clean air? Just wait for the election.

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 9:40 am

The choice can only be Nuke or more coal plants

Whoops… and gas fired.

2dogs
March 27, 2022 9:42 am

The idea that EV is comparable to ICE right now and can without widespread nukes can lower CO2, is misguided.

I think the telling thing here is what is happening in the aviation industry with all the climate change agenda.

They have realised there is nothing that can be sensibly be done to planes themselves, so they came up with the term “Sustainble Aviation Fuels” (SAF).

Now, a SAF is, in its substance, completely indistinguishable from fossil aviation fuel. It’s not even an invention, it’s just a definition. Basically, all they are saying is they need the exact same thing as before, just made in a non-fossil fuel way somehow.

And so, they are trying to come up with ways to make the exact same thing using chemical processes, which typically consume a lot more energy than the produced fuel provides. And it’s generally a dead loss for CO2 mitigation at the moment, given how much power comes from coal and gas.

Since we can see the unfeasibility of converting the aircraft fleet, why can’t we see the unfeasibility of converting the ground fleet? It appears to be the case that the elites can afford an electric car, and therefore expect the peasants to do the same.

Having the technology available to provide the fuel would solve both problems. We would need a lot more nuclear to actually get a CO2 reduction, though.

Dot
Dot
March 27, 2022 9:45 am

G r a d e i n f l a t i o n

E x t e n d e d c h i l d h o o d.

That explains why education is like daycare.

Read J T Gatto. He lays it all out.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 27, 2022 9:46 am

JCsays:
March 27, 2022 at 9:26 am
Or maybe, these days a decent percentage of EV buyers will people like me who despise fuckheads like Putin and middle eastern towelheads. And we don’t want to hand them another cent.

That alone is a workable proposition in favour of EVs.

Only if you have a reliable source of continuous electricity available to recharge the EV. Nuclear, coal, gas, but in their current state of development, not solar or wind.

Which reminds me, if you are looking for a source of investment funds, go to the government “co-investments” in solar, wind, and interconnectors. Drop those and the various subsidies to so-called “renewables”, and there are billions available for something productive, like refining locally produced crude oil.

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 9:54 am

bespoke says:
March 27, 2022 at 8:59 am
Can you repost the link for context, srr?

And I gues I’m a hippy, Lol!

The state can’t get the basics right so why would you trust them with something as complex as religion?

As requested, but first a couple of points –

1. I didn’t say anything about trusting the State with religion, quite the opposite, I was talking about Homeschool by Christian parents giving children a solid foundation, not only in knowledge but also in wisdom.

2. Some might want to see a child, ‘trained like a dog’, in this clip, but children who grow up with involved parents who lovingly, literally give thanks to God for all their blessings as a matter of course, who make Him their Rock, simply absorb the foundation of what becomes a fun, father & son learning game.

@chad509
·
7h
this is priceless….. GOD IS THE ONLY WAY……

https://gettr.com/post/p120hjib41f

Posted on 2:24 AM · Mar 27th, 2022

One more point, how ill is our age that people want to & will find something ‘wrong’ in this, while not demanding the gaoling of everyone who brings ‘Alphabet’ Ideology into schools?

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 27, 2022 9:55 am

JC

PS, snap on nuclear, coal and gas!

Rabz
March 27, 2022 9:58 am

people like me who despise fuckheads like Putin and middle eastern towelheads. And we don’t want to hand them another cent

Why can’t we extract and refine oil here?

Oh, that’s right – because we’re blessed with a plague of imbeciles.

Speaking of, this will never get old.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 27, 2022 10:00 am

JC says:
March 27, 2022 at 9:29 am
Dot

The move up in the oil price has convinced me to buy a Mercedes 400 EV and I don’t give a shit about gerbiling.

Carting around an extra 600kg over the ICE vehicle. It’s the reason that EV in heavy transport is unviable.
Those batteries are about to get a huge cost increase like everything else.

On another bent. Bananas! Has anyone else noticed they’re going funny colours quickly. Weather?

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 27, 2022 10:01 am

Electric cars aren’t evil.

Correct, merely stupid. There’s plenty of oil and 150 years of tech development making IC cars the relatively cheap reliable transport they are.
CO2 isn’t a problem but if you think it is, the first thing is to build nukes instead of solar and windmills. Then build lots more nukes and figure out how to extract CO2 from the air and hydrogen from water, add energy and make synthetic petrol and diesel. Carbon neutral.
The “sustainable aviation fuels” thing is just PR bullshit to keep the greenies and politicians off the aviation industry’s back.
Any kind of serious electric aircraft is a non starter. Except for scammers working government grants for a few years before running out of money and shutting down. A common modus operandi in Australia.
It is just possible to build a satisfactory electric self launching sailplane although they have some limitations and out of a world fleet of a couple of hundred several have caught fire and/or threatened to already. They work because the electric propulsion is used for only a few minutes before you turn the power off and use the natural energy in the atmosphere and the high efficiency of the aircraft.

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 10:06 am

Yep, and we’re supposed to believe our Govt/MSM that these are ‘the bad guys’ –

Indolent says:
March 27, 2022 at 8:12 am

Hungary’s Orban criticized for ‘neutrality’ in Ukraine war
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hungary-s-orban-criticized-for-neutrality-in-ukraine-war/ar-AAVwOxa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=63526db94df54a9d85b4798aad0e9f78

– when I’d simply call them the grown ups in an age of global infantilism.

Meanwhile, todays serving from Gonzalo Lira will so enrage certain cats that they’ll go on another frenzy of posting to bury it; cut outs caused it to be a 3 Part chat –

Part 1—The False Flag Will Happen In Kiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2hhxh9Z6E0&t=835s

Part 2—The False Flag Will Happen In Kiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9DiPWjlrB8

Part 3 (Coda)—The False Flag Will Happen In Kiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHGfdGqWPUc

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 27, 2022 10:07 am

Petrol is actually a minor cost of running a car unless you live or work in the wrong place.
Insurance, rego, service, depreciation. Do the numbers.

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 10:10 am

1. I didn’t say anything about trusting the State with religion, quite the opposite, I was talking about Homeschool by Christian parents giving children a solid foundation, not only in knowledge but also in wisdom.

Fare enough yet you did infer some methodical humanized Christian society.

2. S

ome might want to see a child, ‘trained like a dog’, in this clip, but children who grow up with involved parents who lovingly, literally give thanks to God for all their blessings as a matter of course, who make Him their Rock, simply absorb the foundation of what becomes a fun, father & son learning game.

My guess is as good as yours. So no Biggy.

One more point, how ill is our age that people want to & will find something ‘wrong’ in this, while not demanding the gaoling of everyone who brings ‘Alphabet’ Ideology into schools?

I’m just as concerned but not willing to go all biblical and burn heretics because I disagree.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2022 10:12 am

Driving a 25yo RAV4 certainly kept the depreciation number down. Fuel was always a high % of running costs for me. Approaching 100% some years.

Gabor
Gabor
March 27, 2022 10:12 am

Eyrie says:
March 27, 2022 at 10:01 am

Any kind of serious electric aircraft is a non starter.

True, the idea only works for naive tech challenged people.
A simple calculation of energy density of avgas against that of the battery, and the quantity required for a meaningful journey, would put pay to any notion of electric air travel. At the moment, and I hazard to guess for the foreseeable future.

Sure, for short distances and small crafts, I can see it happen, but replacing an Airbus? Forget it.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 27, 2022 10:16 am

Second-hand Tesla worth more than new model in Australia

The remarkable announcement from Lloyds Auctions, that second-hand electric cars are now selling in Australia for more than their retail price, is testament to a stunning failure to create a healthy and functional EV market, according to the Electric Vehicle Council.

Stunning failure?

It’s possibly more a testament to Australian motorists not planning, being caught up in a tight supply chain – and wanting it NOW.

I’ve just recently turned over a 3yo Prado (with bull bar etc) for a little more than I paid for it in 2019. I had to wait for five months to get my replacement vehicle, my buyer couldn’t, or wouldn’t wait.

Toyota dealerships are offering used vehicles for a bit more than their current drive away prices.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2022 10:17 am

We shouldn’t blame the medical profession for the Wounds That Won’t Heal.
It’s obviously stigmata.

miltonf
miltonf
March 27, 2022 10:18 am

Geez the old thief really seems to want world war 3 or maybe he needs his undies changed. I loathe the noisome old piece of filth.

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 10:18 am

That would be “mythological homogenised….”

I blame Roger.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 27, 2022 10:18 am

Driving a 25yo RAV4 certainly kept the depreciation number down. Fuel was always a high % of running costs for me. Approaching 100% some years.

So you don’t register, insure or maintain it and drive a lot ?

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2022 10:18 am

It helped if you see cars as depreciating heaps of junk. I’m not very popular at the ‘Woomba Miata Helldrivers club. What you save on your car you can spend on your motorbike(s).

miltonf
miltonf
March 27, 2022 10:20 am

The US really is a menace now- wars and critical race theory. What a fall from liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 27, 2022 10:22 am

drive a lot
If I had a 25 year old car it would have over 750,000 kms on the clock.

JC
JC
March 27, 2022 10:23 am

Eyrie says:
March 27, 2022 at 10:07 am

Petrol is actually a minor cost of running a car unless you live or work in the wrong place.
Insurance, rego, service, depreciation. Do the numbers.

You’re really terrible with numbers. Just horrible.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2022 10:24 am

Not really. Used to use the motorbike 9 times out of 10, maybe once a week to get groceries. I think the insurance lapsed (I should really have had 3rd party). One year I did have to spend a few thousand because it was on the verge of dying.

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 10:28 am

bespokesays:
March 27, 2022 at 10:10 am

1. I didn’t say anything about trusting the State with religion, quite the opposite, I was talking about Homeschool by Christian parents giving children a solid foundation, not only in knowledge but also in wisdom.

Fare enough yet you did infer some methodical humanized Christian society.

? Maybe you speed read with the taint of the prejudice poured out against me here.
What I said actually ‘inferred’ just what I said.
The opposite of State run anything –

“No, it’s actually an example of the level of education God fearing home schoolers give their children, which is the level of education kids used to get in the long ago days when ‘The West’ was still faithfully Christendom.

I was not talking about a damaged period of “burning heretics” but an age when even the secular world benefitted & prospered through the blessings of faithful Christians living faithfully.

Gabor
Gabor
March 27, 2022 10:29 am

miltonf says:
March 27, 2022 at 10:20 am

The US really is a menace now- wars and critical race theory. What a fall from liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Went out the window with Woodrow Wilson, never regained.
May he rot in hell for the ‘peace’ settlement he arranged-approved after WW1.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
March 27, 2022 10:31 am

ussr.
Is it possible your foot wounds are stigmata?
Anything showing on the hands?
Any little crown of thorns marks in the forehead?

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 10:33 am

I have no prejudice against you, srr.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 27, 2022 10:35 am

If you live in the country you can’t avoid big kms. My commute was Port Melbourne to Southbank. I could really have walked (and did once after a big EOFY dinner). Unless the weather was really crappy it was always quicker and easier to take the bike. I never had to worry about a wife, kids or passengers. Hooning down tram tracks made St Kilda, Chapel St and Brunswick St doable.

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 10:36 am

Wow, this backdrop of Commerce, Georgia looks like some old Commie hell scape –

LIVE: President Donald J. Trump in Commerce, GA
https://rumble.com/vycb3v-live-president-donald-j.-trump-in-commerce-ga.html

srr
srr
March 27, 2022 10:38 am

bespoke says:
March 27, 2022 at 10:33 am

I have no prejudice against you, srr.

Cool 🙂 as I’ve enjoyed the chat.

lotocoti
lotocoti
March 27, 2022 10:38 am

I gather BAME* (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) is soon to be old and busted.
PGM (People of Global Majority) will be the new hotness.
*Presumably because garage nasties have been busy pointing out
their world wide minority ethnic status.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
March 27, 2022 10:39 am

From TrialSiteNews.
The researchers also discovered that changes to glial cells exposed to Pfizer’s mRNA COVID vaccine were similar to chemical changes that occur in cancer cells, according to the aggressiveness of the cancer.

“The observed alterations in biochemical profiles upon incubation with COVID-19 mRNA in the specific organelles of the glial cells are similar to those we observe for brain cancer vs grade of aggressiveness,” the team wrote.

The team also found that mRNA changes to mitochondria can lead to lower immune system response.
Perfectly safe they said?

bespoke
bespoke
March 27, 2022 10:42 am

“…get in the long ago days when ‘The West’ was still faithfully Christendom.”

Perhaps it was this that indicated a longing for state enforced religion.

bons
bons
March 27, 2022 10:43 am

Albanese will be Australia’s last ever democratically elected PM.
The uniparty does not exist. Labor are marxist totalitarians.
Andrews is Albanese’s mentor.

miltonf
miltonf
March 27, 2022 10:43 am

Wilson was an evil turd for sure- I believe he criminalized dissent for US involvement in WW1.

sfw
sfw
March 27, 2022 10:50 am

JC wants a Mercedes EQC 400.
How much is a Mercedes Eqc 400?
“2022 Mercedes-Benz EQC 400 pricing for Australia
2022 Mercedes-Benz EQC 400 4Matic $ 124,300
2022 Mercedes-Benz EQC 400 4Matic $ 141,300”

Prices off the internet, I’ll probably get a couple one for me and one for the missus. I’m sure it will easily haul around my trailer and tools, around 1500 kg and only need charging once a week like my ute. I guess it will also have a range of at least 900km for my frequent runs to Melbourne and back in a day without sitting around somewhere for a couple of hours to recharge. The ute is a 2011 Ranger now has 435,000 km on it and going strong, cost me $10k five years ago with 260,000km on it.

I’m certain that the electric cars will be better than that, considering the price.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 27, 2022 10:53 am

Hey sfw.
Is the Ranger a auto?
All those early auto models had transmission problems. Nearly a $5,000 fix.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2022 10:54 am

Watch her eyebrows! So damned expressive!

Come on man! Her skirt wasnt that short.

custard
custard
March 27, 2022 10:54 am

Trump has delayed his remarks, knows Australians are watching Outsiders!

sfw
sfw
March 27, 2022 10:58 am

Farmer, yep, I hate autos but my missus won’t drive a manual and you never know when she may have to. The auto went at 360,000km had it rebuilt at an auto place in Wodonga with a two year guarantee etc cost $3,500 at the time. He said it probably failed as I was towing in overdrive and that you shouldn’t tow anything heavy in them in O/D, so I just tow with it off. Other than that no problems, except a set of injectors at 400,000, went much better after that. Still even allowing for the repairs it’s been a pretty cheap car for all the work it does.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 27, 2022 11:00 am

Insurance, rego, service, depreciation. Do the numbers.

I’ve just been through this exercise, looking at the possibility of a ‘cheap’ round town EV.

The main problem for me is the ‘entry level’ EV’s start at around $50k but you actually want the $65k ‘extended range’ version.

Assuming the battery pack will need replacing in 8 years – and the vehicle will likely have no market value at that time because newer technology models – it turns into a medium-priced car with a short life to zero terminal value.

Which, even with lower maintenance costs, cruels the EV economics vs a small $35k 6l/100 ICE.

I guess the game will change as soon as a $40k, 500km range small EV hits the market. But it will be disposable consumer goods taken to a new level.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2022 11:01 am

Roaches rushing norf?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/27/they-brought-their-politics-with-them-will-queenslands-newest-residents-affect-the-election
The state’s population grew by more than 57,800 in 12 months, mostly from southern migration

A little more than a year ago, River Streader swapped a Coburg sharehouse for one in Kangaroo Point – returning to their hometown of Brisbane after a decade in Melbourne.

The 30-year-old spent their time in Melbourne working as psychotherapist, tattoo artist and punk musician, while previously voting Greens, independent and “Labor-ish”.

Now Streader is among a pandemic-era wave of interstate migrants arriving in Queensland in numbers not seen in almost two decades.

In 2020, more than 30,000 Australians moved to Queensland, largely from Victoria and New South Wales, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics
,,,,,
“Victoria is more socially progressive generally,” Rimmer says. “Issues around multiculturalism, ethnicity, First Nations issues … [and] policing issues are different from up here.”

They’re subjects that interest Streader, who listed police accountability, challenging racist and sexist norms and the climate emergency as the issues upon affecting the way they vote.

“I care about some sort of action happening, away from just the middle Liberal-Labor hodgepodge,” Streader says.

“Last time, I remember voting for people expanding the safe injecting room, so sometimes it’s things like that.

“Housing will be a big one at the moment.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 27, 2022 11:06 am

Victoria is more socially progressive generally,” Rimmer says. “Issues around multiculturalism, ethnicity, First Nations issues … [and] policing issues are different from up here.”

Well, if the place was so much more socially progressive, why leave?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
March 27, 2022 11:07 am

Better bang some more pots and pans for the NHS eh?

Shropshire maternity scandal: 300 babies died or left brain-damaged, says report
Five-year investigation to conclude mothers forced to suffer traumatic births because of targets for ‘normal’ births

Three hundred babies died or were left brain-damaged due to inadequate care at an NHS trust, according to reports.

The Sunday Times has reported that a five-year investigation will conclude next week that mothers were denied caesarean sections and forced to suffer traumatic births due to an alleged preoccupation with hitting “normal” birth targets.

The inquiry, which analysed the experiences of 1,500 families at Shrewsbury and Telford hospital trust between 2000 and 2019, found that at least 12 mothers died while giving birth, and some families lost more than one child in separate incidents, the newspaper reported.

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 27, 2022 11:10 am

OK lets add it up
Service $350 per annum
Insurance $650
Rego $750
Depreciation $4000
Total $5750
Petrol 8000 km @ 8l/100km@$2.00 per liter $1300
Buying a $120,000+ electric Merc to save on fuel is nuts.

cohenite
March 27, 2022 11:15 am

When I mentioned last night before retiring that The Expanse was a great show head prefect rudely suggested only simple people would think so. As usual and ironically head prefect had it arseholes to breakfast. In fact The Expanse is the most scientifically literate show ever:

https://www.science.org/content/article/how-real-world-science-sets-expanse-apart-other-sci-fi-shows

It even has big government and shorters in it which as we know are head prefect’s 2 subjects. So I guess he just was being difficult as usual. I mean Holden is a bit of a woose but Amos and Bobbie kick arse. I guess head prefect felt threatened by their toughness and the scientific concepts.

lotocoti
lotocoti
March 27, 2022 11:17 am

Roaches rushing norf…

Is River Streader the band’s name,
or is the Grauniad still flummoxed by English grammar?

custard
custard
March 27, 2022 11:17 am

Trump finally on stage.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 27, 2022 11:18 am

sfw.
Nothing to do with towing. It was a poor design and had to be upgraded in the last few years.
There’s plenty of other auto utes that didn’t shit themselves once they went past 200,000 kms.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
March 27, 2022 11:19 am

Read J T Gatto. He lays it all out.

That sounds like too much work. I’d rather copy-paste quotes from goodreads.com.

“Whatever an education is, it should make you a unique individual, not a conformist; it should furnish you with an original spirit with which to tackle the big challenges; it should allow you to find values which will be your roadmap through life; it should make you spiritually rich, a person who loves whatever you are doing, wherever you are, whomever you are with; it should teach you what is important, how to live and how to die.”
? John Taylor Gattoo, Dumbing us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling

He sounds like he took the broader definition of “education”, where a school is neither sufficient nor necessary for education. That’s why it is more acceptable to suggest education would try to impart (or impose?) values on kids – something you wouldn’t want a government school to do but which ther are probably doing but is difficult to identify. As we were all products of their curriculum, seeing the imposed values is for us like a goldfish trying to see the water – its invisible because its everywhere.
In a Catholic school or a madrassa the imposed values are obvious. In State-endorsed Grade 9 Geography it does not seem so obvious, but the constant messages of “humans suck”, “use ruinables to fight global warming”, “work at home without academic credit if you succeed but certain personal loss if you don’t do it at all”, “collective punishment is an acceptable way to deal with a few troublemakers”, etc, is still lurking there.

Okay, no I don’t have a fully formed theory of quasi-communist State indoctrination of kiddies through school, but examples would be welcomed.

Bluey
Bluey
March 27, 2022 11:22 am

sfwsays:
March 27, 2022 at 10:50 am
JC wants a Mercedes EQC 400.
How much is a Mercedes Eqc 400?
“2022 Mercedes-Benz EQC 400 pricing for Australia
2022 Mercedes-Benz EQC 400 4Matic $ 124,300
2022 Mercedes-Benz EQC 400 4Matic $ 141,300”

Prices off the internet, I’ll probably get a couple one for me and one for the missus. I’m sure it will easily haul around my trailer and tools, around 1500 kg and only need charging once a week like my ute. I guess it will also have a range of at least 900km for my frequent runs to Melbourne and back in a day without sitting around somewhere for a couple of hours to recharge. The ute is a 2011 Ranger now has 435,000 km on it and going strong, cost me $10k five years ago with 260,000km on it.

I’m certain that the electric cars will be better than that, considering the price.

Now throw in the increasing push to a subscription model. You want to actually use that radio? $5/month. Aircon? $10/month. etc. etc.

Pretty clear where it’s heading.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
March 27, 2022 11:22 am

“We cannot define our soldiers by short hair any more,” Major General Lise Bourgon, the acting chief of military personnel, said. “The colour and the length of your hair does not define your quality as a soldier and aviator and sailor. So this is a big departure.”

Camouflage uniforms and long iridescent pink hair sticking out from under the helmet.
What could possibly go wrong?

Eyrie
Eyrie
March 27, 2022 11:23 am

When I mentioned last night before retiring that The Expanse was a great show head prefect rudely suggested only simple people would think so.
First two seasons were fun, then it went woke with that chick on the Navoo. At least the spaceships don’t use magical drives but “scientifically literate”? Ceres would have simply fallen apart when spun up to 1/3 g at surface.

MatrixTransform
March 27, 2022 11:25 am

Depreciation $4000

per month

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
March 27, 2022 11:25 am

Buying a $120,000+ electric Merc to save on fuel is nuts.

Probably not the sole reason you’d buy one. If you wanted a very nicely made car, with a decent range, that goes like shit off a shovel, you might buy an EQS..

The No Tax fuel would put a little more smile on your face.

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