Open Thread – Tues 5 April 2022


Charles V, Titian, 1548

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Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
April 8, 2022 12:49 pm

I’ll come back when the Year 9 class goes to recess.

Runnybum
Runnybum
April 8, 2022 12:49 pm

Choo choo, any chance you can pay the electricity bill, it is a bit dark in here.

johanna
johanna
April 8, 2022 12:52 pm

My Mini restorer pal seemed to want a British Racing Green body with a black top. Some later reincarnation, I suppose.

It should be pointed out that while Minis (especially Cooper S’s) went like the clappers at first, they didn’t age well. They were better than Triumphs, which were even worse.

Sadly, many of the Minis when they were fashionable were shoddily constructed pieces of shit.

Roger
Roger
April 8, 2022 12:56 pm

Mini. Not this BRG? ?

Er…that is not BRG. It’s Citron green. No further discussion will be entered into.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 8, 2022 12:56 pm

From the Wordwall of St. Ruth, 1 April:

Freedom and self-reliance is strong in my breed

From the Wordwall of St. Ruth, 8 April:

So the funny thing is, while you’ve destroyed my life

And there it is. My life has not reached the dizzying heights expected (and I haven’t got a boat), and so this is someone else’s fault.

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 1:00 pm

I was teasing, Roger. I know what BRG looks like.

The driver’s seat looked nice and comfy though. Not too sure about the braking system.

JMH
JMH
April 8, 2022 1:00 pm

Winston Smithsays:
April 8, 2022 at 8:37 am

Appropriate response, Winston. My condolences as well.

Kneel
Kneel
April 8, 2022 1:02 pm

“It interests me that nobody seems to be as upset on behalf of all the Georgians…”

Nor the Yemeni’s, nor any other nationalities embroiled in one of the many other wars currently underway.

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 1:05 pm

It was an admirable demonstration of throttle feathering though.

I believe Atkinson is a bit of a rev head.

Kneel
Kneel
April 8, 2022 1:10 pm

“The rain, it raineth every day”

“We’ll all be rooned…”

Roger
Roger
April 8, 2022 1:16 pm

Mr. Bean is great fun, but watching it also reminds you of how much physical comedy owes to Buster Keaton. You still see his visual gags repeated in movies and there’s a TV ad currently on which repeats the house falling skit.

shatterzzz
April 8, 2022 1:23 pm

For no better reason than I like it .. LOL!
We Didn’t Sink The Bismark …..
https://youtu.be/e58nHPIMZ6k

Eyrie
Eyrie
April 8, 2022 1:31 pm

Winston,

Sincere condolences. Hope you are holding up.

shatterzzz
April 8, 2022 1:35 pm

Medicare Limits Payments for Biogen’s Alzheimer’s Drug
Medicare will deny routine payment for Biogen Alzheimer’s disease drug Aduhelm, finalizing an unusually strict policy that will require patients to enroll in clinical trials to have the treatment paid for.

Why is gummint (as in OUR!) money involved in a drug to cure/alleviate something that can’t be reversed/stopped? .. Alzheimers/Dementia are part of the reality of old age for lotza folks .. you can’t stop the age-ing process with medicine yet we (the mug tax-payers!) are, apparently, funding research … why not declare old age itself a pandemic and shovel more of our cash into big pharma or just build ovens and be dun with it .. same result .. FFS!

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 1:37 pm

if only struth said nothing … everything be peachy right?

it almost seems like if it wasn’t for the contrarian, that youse think you could lead a happy and contented life free from dangerous vaccines and dangerous policy and idiot group-think.

kneel has been about the only person that argued sensibly but lately, even that has been abandoned.

pleased to note that it isn’t universal across the readership and I like to suppose that means that some here are still capable of reason

the childish ad homs and hyperbolic confabulations will never add up to anything

youse should stop, it just makes you sound stupid

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 1:38 pm

JMH says:
April 8, 2022 at 1:00 pm
Winston Smithsays:
April 8, 2022 at 8:37 am

Appropriate response, Winston

Sure, very objective from the blog tart.

Here’s the issue : over the past decade or so, there have been around 10 or so blog “deaths” where we subsequently find out it’s a version of the walking dead. In other words, dead zombies who are still around alive . Amazing how many people have feigned deaths at the Cat and elsewhere. There was a famous non death death on Blair’s blog a while ago.

The old Professor’s alter ego – the woman who had genital warts suddenly died one time catching left-wingers by surprise.

One of the more famous ones was my carbon slave who conveniently died at the most convenient time.

Now if the ATO wants to see evidence of death with a properly certified death certificate then why can’t an individual ask for the same.

I’m always sceptical of inconvenient convenient stories. I’m not saying it’s not true, but I’d really like to trust but verify knowing the source.

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 1:41 pm

Even Matrix at his most sarcastic and passive-aggressive

pretty sure its been established Rex, that you’re not clever enough to play word games with me

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 1:46 pm

the childish ad homs and hyperbolic confabulations will never add up to anything

No. On either side of the argument, such as it has now become.

They add humour and colour if used sparingly and skeweringly, but endless repetition of the same talking points smacks of brainwashing.

And we would never do that here, for we are righteous. Or we used to be.

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 1:47 pm

I should say attempted brainwashing.

Many are quite resistant.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 1:49 pm

pretty sure its been established Rex, that you’re not clever enough to play word games with me

Really?

Are youse sure?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 1:52 pm

the childish ad homs and hyperbolic confabulations will never add up to anything

youse should stop, it just makes you sound stupid

But that sort of thing is all perfectly OK and honourable when Mighty Thought Leader Struth does it.

Righto, Matrix…

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 1:53 pm

fair call calli

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 8, 2022 1:53 pm

Gruinaid letter writers.

Awesome people.
Totally wouldnt steal the fillings out of grandmas mouth while she was still warm in envy or anything.

Isn’t it time that all superyachts were seized (Spanish police and FBI seize superyacht in Mallorca linked to Putin ally, 4 April)? On a conservative estimate, a 70-foot luxury vessel uses around 1,000 litres of fuel per hour to achieve a speed of 20 knots. Given the impending climate disaster caused by the burning of fossil fuels, the continued use of such boats is surely a crime against humanity?
Fiona Carnie

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 8, 2022 1:56 pm

Austin definitely stuck to the marital and ‘visiting’ issues of the landed gentry (even Mr. Bennet had an Estate) but also recognised the changing milieu that introduced into the old ‘church or army’ traditions of younger sons the new wealth coming from trade and manufacturing. Rich heiresses of more dubious ancestral provenance were highly sought after to improve social positioning, whereas at a later stage in the economic transition (after the rise of the American superrich in the late C19th), the tables were turned, and it was rich American heiresses who sought to improve their position by marrying into the British aristocracy – in what became Cash for Coronets in the general parlance (I wrote a review in Quadrant of the book “The Husband Hunters” which detailed this later period).

Austen was writing about those clinging to ancient ‘connections’ (see Ellie Dashwood on these), and the mingling of older wealth with newer wealth. In ‘Emma’ and elsewhere, she included struggling older women, widowed, or who never married, and who had fallen down the scale in material style but who were still included in the social round because they were ‘gentry’ (indeed, a charity in Britain still provides discreetly for ‘distressed gentry’). She was well aware of impecunious not-quite-gentry, such as Wickham in P and P, who were trying to marry well and improve social status.

In Emma, Austen tries to line up an orphan girl she believes to be ‘gentry’, because someone is paying her school fees, with a man of ‘equal station’, but Austen winds up that tale by putting that girl firmly into her proper class as her non-gentry status is revealed and lo! she ends up marrying the solid farmer whom she has convieniently loved all the time. The well-off farmer and his family are notably below the status of Emma’s circle and of course they never mix.

The emerging middle classes of professionals and tradesmen are introduced to such circles slowly and only if they are wealthy. The TV series ‘Belgravia’ looked at these distinctions as the wealthy and the artistocracy started to blend in Austen’s day in the cities; but aristocracy still dominated and ruled.

The upper middle classes living in comfortable circumstances started to define themselves by education (Oxbridge), manners and most particularly by accent into a large class that was positioned well above the ‘ordinary’ middle classes of lesser professionals, who in turn positioned themselves well above the Mrs. Bucket class of aspirant lower middles who aped accents and manners but always got them wrong.

I am returning to the remnants of this class based structure at the end of the month.
Luckily I have the right accent for it. Still counts these days, but far less than it used to do.
It is a fascinating zoo to study and in some ways take part in.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
April 8, 2022 2:01 pm

The Benefits of Walking

Walking can add minutes to your life. This enables you at 85 years old to spend an additional 5 months in a nursing home at $5,000 per month.

My grandmother started walking five miles a day when she was 60. Now she’s 97 years old and we don’t know where the hell she is.

The only reason I would take up exercising is so that I could hear heavy breathing again.

I have to exercise early in the morning before my brain figures out what I’m doing.

I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.

I have flabby thighs, but fortunately my stomach covers them.

The advantage of exercising every day is that you die healthier.

If you are going to try cross-country skiing, start with a small country.

Winston Smith
April 8, 2022 2:08 pm

ZK2A:

Albo opens the floodgates: Labor leader vows to grant permanent residency to hundreds of thousands of foreign workers if he wins the election

If the stories of a world wide food shortage come true, we will have the sight of Europe, the US and Australia vanishing under the flood of ‘refugees’.
I bet the WEF thought of that one too.

bons
bons
April 8, 2022 2:09 pm

Continuing my UK Nanny rant, I was pulled over by one of Cressida’s finest girlies for the crime of having overtaken a bicycle. No matter that I used the empty on-coming lane to do so.
Hertz County in an effort to make it impossible for vehicles to operate in metropolitan areas have made it legal for any Green rsole to bank up traffic for miles by riding in the middle of the lane.
The daily 7am convoy delivering the commuter stiffs to the railway station has become a nightmare.
“I won’t fine you Sir, but please remember that this is not Australia”.
No, but it soon will be.

Franx
Franx
April 8, 2022 2:09 pm

The figure of 95-96% vaxxed in the general population now seems also the case on this site.

Struth
April 8, 2022 2:12 pm

From the Wordwall of St. Ruth, 1 April:

Freedom and self-reliance is strong in my breed

From the Wordwall of St. Ruth, 8 April:

So the funny thing is, while you’ve destroyed my life

Good.
A classic example of emotion over fact, denialism.
Straw clutching.
Or worse….
Now , here’s an easy way to test if you been lost to the illogical emotion of denialism.
KD is making logical sense, a credible criticism of me, or he’s conflating and twisting?

And there it is. My life has not reached the dizzying heights expected (and I haven’t got a boat), and so this is someone else’s fault.

After the last two years, is admitting that your life and millions of other people’s lives have been destroyed by government………a sign that person is a failure, or just honest?
Does this mean that freedom and self reliance in my breed (referring to truckies) isn’t strong when I AM THE FUCKER STANDING UP TO TYRANNY?
Is he trying to suggest that I threw myself out of work, locked myself in Australia and outside of pubs and restaurants?

Is success in life as far as KD is concerned, becoming the government’s little bitch by submitting?
He’s either Vicpol level dumb, or he has another agenda here.
Either way on issues like this, he’s a sick prick.

He’s been almost violently opposed to any pushback against the government from the moment this has happened.
I believe he’s still using his Vicpol email address?
Is that correct, KD?
Dover?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
April 8, 2022 2:12 pm

The only reason I would take up exercising is so that I could hear heavy breathing again.

Give us your phone number and I’ll give you a call.

Tom
Tom
April 8, 2022 2:18 pm

Reckless nihilism: America’s establishment media eggs on a Russia-USA war (with other people’s children as the cannon fodder). Tucker Carlson Tonight.

Struth
April 8, 2022 2:19 pm

Block quote fail

From the Wordwall of St. Ruth, 1 April:

Freedom and self-reliance is strong in my breed

From the Wordwall of St. Ruth, 8 April:

So the funny thing is, while you’ve destroyed my life

Good.
A classic example of emotion over fact, denialism.
Straw clutching.
Or worse….
Now , here’s an easy way to test if you been lost to the illogical emotion of denialism.
KD is making logical sense, a credible criticism of me, or he’s conflating and twisting?

And there it is. My life has not reached the dizzying heights expected (and I haven’t got a boat), and so this is someone else’s fault.

After the last two years, is admitting that your life and millions of other people’s lives have been destroyed by government………a sign that person is a failure, or just honest?
Does this mean that freedom and self reliance in my breed (referring to truckies) isn’t strong when I AM THE FUCKER STANDING UP TO TYRANNY?
Is he trying to suggest that I threw myself out of work, locked myself in Australia and outside of pubs and restaurants?

Is success in life as far as KD is concerned, becoming the government’s little bitch by submitting?
He’s either Vicpol level dumb, or he has another agenda here.
Either way on issues like this, he’s a sick prick.

He’s been almost violently opposed to any pushback against the government from the moment this has happened.
I believe he’s still using his Vicpol email address?
Is that correct, KD?
Dover?

bons
bons
April 8, 2022 2:21 pm

As everyone knows, parking in the UK is one of the most successful Government scams on the planet.
Even if you can find a park, you will probably get fined because the rules are incomprehensible, or the parking rules sign is hidden away in the next borough.
The Green morons have added to the chaos by putting free EV charging parks all over the place, but mostly in the most popular parking areas.
Clever commuters returning from the City after 8pm have taken to plugging in with the charge circuit switched off, knowing that the parking filth don’t work at night.
Malicious damage and occasional fisticuffs have resulted apparently.
Greens; masters of the unintended consequences.

Kneel
Kneel
April 8, 2022 2:24 pm

“kneel has been about the only person that argued sensibly but lately, even that has been abandoned.”

Funny about that Matrix – as I have noted, I tried more than once to get us all on the same side, but St Ruth would have none of it. Hence the “abandonment” – there are limits to even my patience, and he surpassed them, being constitutionally incapable of any sort of compromise.
So if you want to say I abandoned it, well yes I did – with good reason.
If you would like to chat about how we can go about fixing it so this sort of thing doesn’t happen again, I’m in. If you just want to fling abuse, threats etc or tell me a made a mistake blah blah, and not actually become involved in doing anything constructive, count me out.
Pretty simple really.
And to be honest, anything constructive would likely be appreciated by many others who frequent here, IMO.
But if it’s just complaints and abuse, I’ll either ignore you or send it back at you, depending on my mood at the time. Fair, I think.
And no, I am not sure how we start down the path of getting it fixed – got any ideas?

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 2:25 pm

Stuth

Are you self-funding this fuming or are you on some form of DSP?

JMH
JMH
April 8, 2022 2:27 pm

JCsays:
April 8, 2022 at 1:38 pm
JMH says:
April 8, 2022 at 1:00 pm
Winston Smithsays:
April 8, 2022 at 8:37 am

Appropriate response, Winston

Sure, very objective from the blog tart.

Here’s the issue : over the past decade or so, there have been around 10 or so blog “deaths” where we subsequently find out it’s a version of the walking dead. In other words, dead zombies who are still around alive . Amazing how many people have feigned deaths at the Cat and elsewhere. There was a famous non death death on Blair’s blog a while ago.

The old Professor’s alter ego – the woman who had genital warts suddenly died one time catching left-wingers by surprise.

One of the more famous ones was my carbon slave who conveniently died at the most convenient time.

Now if the ATO wants to see evidence of death with a properly certified death certificate then why can’t an individual ask for the same.

I’m always sceptical of inconvenient convenient stories. I’m not saying it’s not true, but I’d really like to trust but verify knowing the source.

In August of last year, I ordered you to never, ever engage with me again. You have frequently breached that order.

Now fuck off, you repugnant pest. You disgust me.

Franx
Franx
April 8, 2022 2:27 pm

Zipster – interesting; that UK Sky interviewer of Putin’s spokesperson did little more than spout unsubstantiated accusations. The Russian though, was measured insofar as he was allowed to speak, yet I suppose it’s the bluster that counts.

Dot
Dot
April 8, 2022 2:28 pm

In August of last year, I ordered you to never, ever engage with me again. You have frequently breached that order.

LOL

Struth
April 8, 2022 2:29 pm

If you would like to chat about how we can go about fixing it so this sort of thing doesn’t happen again, I’m in.

We had a year of talking before it came to this.
People knew what they needed to do.
They did the opposite expecting others to do the heavy lifting.
Now you want to talk some more.
FMD.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 2:32 pm

Just an observation on big fat Clive’s two policies I mentioned earlier.

1. The 15% mining tax and

2. the repatriation of all Australian portfolio investment overseas.

These should get overwhelming Greens party support.

Way to go.

On the third:

3% mortgage rate for housing

This should also receive support support but I say the Greens would demand a ceiling.

Struth
April 8, 2022 2:33 pm

Kneel, if you were really in with the gang, you should be checking your emails about now.

Kneel
Kneel
April 8, 2022 2:34 pm

“We had a year of talking before it came to this.
People knew what they needed to do.
They did the opposite expecting others to do the heavy lifting.
Now you want to talk some more.”

“…happen again…” – did you miss that part?
Or now that you have failed to get what you view as the appropriate actions done by enough to matter, now that that hasn’t worked, you’re just going to give up?
And that means you are “fighting tyranny”?
And you’re better than me because you gave up later than I did?
FMD indeed.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 2:34 pm

I didn’t see the court JMH. Don’t post stupid shit and you’ll never hear from me again.

Now fuck off and go suck up to the blog owners you snivelling little cockroach.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 8, 2022 2:35 pm

Daily Mail

Albo’s Joe Biden moment: Confused Labor leader accuses the PM of not knowing where the Governor-General lives – but then gets the location WRONG himself

Anthony Albanese criticised the Prime Minister for not calling election already
He joked Scott Morrison doesn’t know where the Governor-General lives
But said he would give him a lift to The Lodge which is in fact the PM’s house

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 8, 2022 2:39 pm

Fuelling up the super yacht may be a problem. I must ask my man.

Delta A
Delta A
April 8, 2022 2:41 pm

Mak Siccarsays:
April 8, 2022 at 2:01 pm

A good laugh. Thanks, Mak.

We could do with more of that here.

Struth
April 8, 2022 2:42 pm

“…happen again…” – did you miss that part?
Or now that you have failed to get what you view as the appropriate actions done by enough to matter, now that that hasn’t worked, you’re just going to give up?
And that means you are “fighting tyranny”?
And you’re better than me because you gave up later than I did?
FMD indeed.

Good boy.
The gang of truth twisters will be proud of you.

Very good.
Let’s look at it.

Or now that you have failed to get what you view as the appropriate actions done by enough to matter, now that that hasn’t worked, you’re just going to give up?

Am I? …….Apparently I am, well I will need to be, because he’s said so, which is the lie he then builds his pile of bullshit on.

And you’re better than me because you gave up later than I did?

Yes, I have or am about to give up, apparently!?!
I didn’t know that……but…hey.

Maybe, just maybe, we might consider those that have run out with the white flag not worthy of aligning with.
You’ll take a booster Kneel, you know you will.

Struth
April 8, 2022 2:47 pm

The paid govtrolls are in a serious email meeting.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 8, 2022 2:49 pm

From the Oz.

41 minute ago
Billions in franking credits coming: BHP
Valerina Changarathil
VALERINA CHANGARATHIL

BHP expects the $40bn merger of its petroleum business with Woodside Energy will complete by June and has flagged an in-specie fully franked dividend of Woodside shares to its investors.

BHP is expected to receive 914.8 million newly issued Woodside shares at completion, it says in a note on Friday.

The mining giant’s shareholders will get one Woodside share for every 5.534 BHP shares they hold on the record date.

Based on Woodside’s share price of $US25.55 on April 6, the implied value of BHP Petroleum is $US23.4bn.

“At this valuation, which is subject to change, the in specie dividend per BHP share would be $US4.62, with $US1.98 of franking credits being distributed per BHP share ($US10bn of franking credits in total),” BHP says.

Woodside will retain its primary listing on the ASX and is seeking a standard listing on the LSE and a sponsored Level III ADR program on the NYSE from completion of the merger.

Struth
April 8, 2022 2:50 pm

Is Natasha Notafan, suggesting comrade Choo choo go pull his horn?
Is Sancho thinking up more lies?
How can they possibly utilise their pledges?

bons
bons
April 8, 2022 2:50 pm

Has Twitter banned Musk yet?
Go on Snowflakes, I dares ya.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 2:51 pm

Big Fat Clive’s second policy I mentioned above – This:

2. the repatriation of all Australian portfolio investment overseas.

This one is a really interesting “policy” as it has very important foreign exchange implications. In order for PM Big Fat Clive to ensure the policy works, he would have to impose foreign exchange controls. which means there would be all sorts of prohibitions on what you’re allowed to do overseas.

Out of all the three we’ve discussed this policy is the funniest of all.

Exchange controls would mostly likely have to be copied from Argentina.

You go Clive.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Kneel says: April 8, 2022 at 2:24 pm

Totally agree.
Struth has been hard work of late.
There seems to be little leeway for discussion.
Perhaps after he’s called everybody traitor a few times, then nazi, he may slow down the point where he’s up for reasoned debate.
Perhaps.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 2:56 pm

More here:

Argentina’s

“Cepo cambiario”

Exchange clamp.

Argentina installed foreign exchange controls in 2011, at the beginning of the second presidency of Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. Those controls limited the ability to buy or sell any foreign currency. The restriction was informally known in Argentina as “Cepo cambiario” (Spanish: exchange clamp).

Looks like foreign travel is gonsky under Premier Clivistor Palmarelli.

Get a load of this:

The first restrictions were imposed on October 31, 2011. The Tax and Customs Authority, AFIP, required that individuals and businesses who sought to buy dollars request permission, which may depend of the financial status of the buyer. However, the implementation of the rules was arbitrary. In February, restrictions were applied to all international payments in dollars, such as imports. This also affected the ability of foreign investors to return their earnings to their own countries.[2]

The use of credit cards abroad was also restricted. As of May 2012, people could only buy dollars for 25% to 40% of their wages.[2]

In June 2012, AFIP forbade the purchase of dollars, except for a limited number of activities. As the country had a high inflation at that point, people used to buy dollars to keep the value of their money. The use of dollars for tourism received more limits a couple of months later: people would only receive the local money of the country that they visited, and only 7 days before the trip.

hahahahahaha

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 8, 2022 2:57 pm

Freedom and self-reliance is strong in my breed

Fearless flint-eyed rock-ribbed self reliance to blog chalk monitor to Faulty level paranoia about back-channel emails, all in five minutes.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 8, 2022 2:57 pm

It will be embarrassing if Albo wins the election and turns up at Yarralumla. Ma’am will not be amused.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 2:59 pm

Driller

As much as I can’t stand Stuth, your attempt at another pile-on stoush by speaking about Stuth to another person is just so fucking rank. You’re a horrible human being. Just the most cowardly sack of shit ever to come out of a decrepit womb.

Speak to him directly or fuck off.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I own knob-head’s mind. I should charge rent. I’d be richer than Palmer.
(Except knob-head has an unhappy record when it comes to actually paying up)

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 3:05 pm

Lol
Driller, stop pile-on stoushing. That’s all.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 8, 2022 3:06 pm

Zipster says:
April 8, 2022 at 11:38 am

LEAKED RECORDING ALLEGEDLY CONFIRMS MASSACRE IN BUCHA WAS STAGED BY UKRAINIAN MILITANTS

SouthFront lands at the Cat.

At least the FSB troll farms will be kept busy trying to understand why Australia’s Leading Political Blog is obsessed with personal hatreds and Jane Austen.

rosie
rosie
April 8, 2022 3:10 pm

Everyone that is here (or anywhere on the net) “all day” (or all night, or all day and night) is a paid media trull and gamboling addic because I say so.
I know these things because I have infallible jeans!

Struth
April 8, 2022 3:11 pm

Totally agree.
Struth has been hard work of late.
There seems to be little leeway for discussion.
Perhaps after he’s called everybody traitor a few times, then nazi, he may slow down the point where he’s up for reasoned debate.
Perhaps.

I’m not here for reasoned debate.

I’m just here to point out the obvious to the deluded.
The deluded so cock sure of themselves, so smug in their ignorance and weak characters way back in 2020.
I never give up, and I never give in.
Certain people made an enemy of me way back then, the dopey fuckers have been wrong and they deserve to have reality shoved in their face day after day.

Don’t get me wrong, people can be wrong, but that’s not what happened here.
Smartarses fuck up badly, and made c…ts of themselves.

You see, they submitted, and it achieved nothing.
They achieved worse than nothing.
They empowered tyranny.
No one is free.
No one.
Not them not me.
Not while these murderers and enemies of Australia are in our parliaments and they are ruling SoE , by the point of a gun.

Now, you may have noted Sal, that I never spoke badly about kneel even though he had taken the jab, until he lost his shit.
But someone like notafan, or Panzy Smollett, have spat in the face of their fellow Australians and the vile attitude on display, with a smugness of “who gives a fuck about others” , those and a few others I come back for.
They are filth, and reality won’t be avoided.
They’ll die from jabbing themselves to death and with a few of them, it would be called just punishment.
BECAUSE OF THEIR ATTITUDES through this.

Their punishment will be far worse than me calling them a few names and shoving the truth in their face.
Far worse.

Even though they are shit people, I still have a duty to god and myself to try to wake up deluded people, mentally effected by the last two years, to try and prevent them killing themselves, submitting to tyrants and hurting others in the process.

When I ask how many boosters are people going to get, it’s because so much can be determined by the answer.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

As much as I can’t stand Stuth, your attempt at another pile-on stoush by speaking about Stuth to another person is just so fucking rank. You’re a horrible human being. Just the most cowardly sack of shit ever to come out of a decrepit womb.

Speak to him directly or fuck off.

No.
You don’t give the orders around here.

Despicable & disgusting people never do.

Keep in mind, you are the pajero in this little stoush you began with me.
& that’s a step up from where you sit on the totem pole of humanity. I’ve elevated you, be thankful.

No go. You are ordered to not be a fuckwit ever again.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
April 8, 2022 3:14 pm

What did you do in the Plandemic grandad? I got stuck in the couch and was weely, weely angwy. Tell me about getting side tracked in Canberra by those tricky plod. What about all those university types on the bus that you were smarter than. How many gears does a road rager have? gagagagagaga, let me help unfold the couch, oops wrong way.

rosie
rosie
April 8, 2022 3:16 pm

In Mansfield Park, Fanny’s mother has clearly married down and down, her erstwhile suitor uses his Admiral uncle’s influence to get her beloved brother a lieutenant’s commission.
Fortunately though despite being extremely vulgar and daddy a drunk,, the family are saved from being completely unacceptable because they are good-looking.

rosie
rosie
April 8, 2022 3:18 pm

It is my fondest wish to get every booster on the market, now or in the future, before my one hundred percent certain death in 42 months time, or whatever timeframe the infallible one proclaims next.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 8, 2022 3:26 pm

I’m not here for reasoned debate.

Mission accomplished.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 3:26 pm

No.
You don’t give the orders around here.

Accept that I do to you as I’ve done for years. I’ve basically changed your behavior for the better. We rarely see much evidence of any Outbacking, Croc Dundee impersonations, most blowharding and narcissistic pubbling. We’ve accomplished a lot, Driller. The gaslighting still needs about 3 months more work with twice weekly visits and we also need a little more work on the pile-on stoushing. After that we’re done.

Brislurker
Brislurker
April 8, 2022 3:27 pm

Calli, you’re right, but I am gob smacked that it they would actually be prepared to send it home.

Knowing a few teachers, they would be appalled and would be reporting it to the authorities, but then they are not in the public system, so have a little more freedom.

cohenite
April 8, 2022 3:27 pm

You think you have problems: Bernard Gaynor v gary burns:

On Monday I appeared in the New South Wales Local Court again in relation to Garry Burns’ complaints against me.

It was a tense day and I wish to report to you the facts of what occurred. I will not provide any commentary.

I moved a motion to have the magistrate in these proceedings dismissed on the grounds of apprehended bias. My motion was unsuccessful.

The background to my motion for apprehended bias is as follows.

On 16 August 2021, the magistrate ruled that she had retrospective power under Part 3A of the NCAT Act (passed in New South Wales in December 2017) to hear Burns’ complaints against me (for my conduct in Queensland between mid-2014 and early 2015).

On 13 September 2021 my solicitor filed an appeal to the above decision in the New South Wales Supreme Court.

On 14 September 2021 my solicitor served a copy of this appeal on the New South Wales Local Court, as required under legal rules. This appeal is running but will not be heard until the Local Court determines Garry Burns’ complaints against me. At no stage have I ever sought an adjournment to the proceedings in the Local Court in relation to this appeal and nor have I ever used this pending appeal in an attempt to delay proceedings in the Local Court.

On 19 November 2021, while the Local Court was taking evidence in relation to Burns’ complaints against me, the Local Court registry, of its own volition, notified the magistrate of my appeal to her decision that she had retrospective powers to hear Garry Burns’ complaints against me.

Court transcripts show the following statements were made:

HER HONOUR: I really want to know why it is that when the hearing has just commenced that this is copied off and given to me by my court officer and I mean, I just wonder what sort of practices are going on. Is this an attempt to intimidate me or bully me into not continuing?

GARRY BURNS: …I don’t – I can only see it as an intimidation, your Honour. I’m sorry, that’s what I see it.

HER HONOUR: And I’m certainly not intimidated by it if that was its–

HER HONOUR: No, this email’s – anyway, I’m not going to allow it. Much that [Mr Gaynor’s solicitor] will be disappointed, but I am not going to allow it to intimidate me or to worry me any further. But he certainly is behind bringing this to my attention.

On 21 December 2021, Garry Burns sent an email to my solicitor, my barrister and a third party stating that he had lodged a complaint against my solicitor with the New South Wales Law Society:

I allege you have failed your responsibilities as an Officer of the Court.

I have further alleged to the NSW Law Society that you were in Contempt of Court when you filed your incongruous Summons seeking leave under part 50 ( which will be refused ) in the Local Court proceedings before [the magistrate] because the Magistrate had to stop hearing the proceeding to address the filing of that material.

The Magistrate formed a view that you did this to INTIMIDATE her. I have no doubt the Law Society will obtain a copy of the transcript in its investigation of you in regards to your conduct regarding the filing of that material.

On 9 February 2022, in a procedural hearing in relation to my appeal to the retrospectivity decision, Garry Burns stated to the New South Wales Supreme Court:

As I understand it the solicitor for the respondent below filed these proceedings in the Court matter below where the magistrate had to stop the proceeding to deal with that matter and formed the view that the solicitor for the respondent in the Court below did that deliberately to intimidate her.

On Monday the magistrate unreservedly withdrew her comments about my solicitor and any imputation falling from them that he had (or, by implication, that I had instructed him to):
directly communicated with the magistrate;
attempted to threaten, bully or intimidate the magistrate;
sought to bring the appeal to the magistrate’s attention via the Local Court registry in the middle of proceedings on 19 November 2021;
sought to use the appeal to delay proceedings in the Local Court; or
communicated in any way with the Local Court registry about the appeal other than in accordance with legal rules requiring him to serve the registry with a copy of the appeal filed in the Supreme Court.
To the best of my recollection, the magistrate described her now withdrawn statements about my solicitor as ‘unfortunate’, ‘regrettable’, ‘intemperate’, ‘emotional’ and ‘wrong’.

On the basis that she had withdrawn her comments, the magistrate then asked if I would be willing to withdraw my motion that she recuse herself on grounds of apprehended bias. I instructed my legal representatives that I was not prepared to withdraw my motion.

I believed that simply because the magistrate withdrew baseless statements that she now admits were intemperate, emotional and wrong did not remove any concern about the appearance of bias. I also believed that these concerns have only grown due to the fact that Garry Burns has used these baseless statements from the magistrate to attack my solicitor with yet another complaint to the NSW Law Society.

The leading High Court case in relation to the question of apprehended bias states:

…a judge is disqualified if a fair-minded lay observer might reasonably apprehend that the judge might not bring an impartial mind to the resolution of the question the judge is required to decide. That principle gives effect to the requirement that justice should both be done and be seen to be done, a requirement which reflects the fundamental importance of the principle that the tribunal be independent and impartial. It is convenient to refer to it as the apprehension of bias principle.

The apprehension of bias principle may be thought to find its justification in the importance of the basic principle, that the tribunal be independent and impartial. So important is the principle that even the appearance of departure from it is prohibited lest the integrity of the judicial system be undermined.

While waiting for the magistrate to hear our motion, Garry Burns berated, ridiculed and abused me and my legal representatives. His diatribe went on for over 30 minutes. At one point he made the following comment (to the best of my recollection):

As for your client, if I succeed and obtain damages, I will hunt him down. I don’t need the money but I will hunt him down for every cent just because I can.

Garry Burns then got up in front of the magistrate and began sobbing, arguing that it would be unjust for her to recuse herself from these proceedings. I have never seen anything like it.

The magistrate did not retire to consider the arguments put to her. Instead, she immediately ruled that the fact that she had made ‘wrong’, ‘emotional’ and ‘intemperate’ remarks alleging that my solicitor had sought to intimidate or bully her or that Garry Burns had used these remarks to lodge a complaint against my solicitor could not in any way lead a fair-minded lay observer to conclude that she might not bring an impartial mind to this case.

As I do not yet have a copy of the reasons for the magistrate’s decision, I will not attempt to outline the basis of her decision here.

The magistrate then ordered that submissions be filed so that she could determine Garry Burns’ complaints against me. A decision will be handed down later this year.

I have instructed my legal representatives to appeal Monday’s decision and to take other action which I will not detail here. But there are significant issues which now need to be addressed and I will explain them at the appropriate time.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I’m not here for reasoned debate.

This isn’t exactly news to us Struth.

Your resolve is commendable. I wish we were all in circumstances which allowed us similar levels of resistance. I feel for you & the situation you found yourself in on Scomo-Sunday. (22nd March 2020)

Not all of us were in circumstances where we could just down tools & give a middle finger to Slomo, Recessionberg & Pallyshack.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 8, 2022 3:28 pm

Just an observation on big fat Clive’s two policies I mentioned earlier.

1. The 15% mining tax and
2. the repatriation of all Australian portfolio investment overseas.

These should get overwhelming Greens party support.

Fat Bastard seems to be having a man-love thing with the Greens more generally:

‘Greens ahead of Liberal and Labor’: Clive Palmer’s party to preference major parties last

The irony is, if this cunning strategy got up a ALP/Greens Government -with Bandit’s hand up the back of Albanese – fat boy would be at the top of the menu.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 8, 2022 3:29 pm

But someone like notafan, or Panzy Smollett, have spat in the face of their fellow Australians and the vile attitude on display, with a smugness of “who gives a fuck about others”

Don’t generalise.
It’s you specifically I don’t give a fuck about.
Just you.
Don’t try to whip up a posse here.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Bernard Gaynor v gary burns:

Some helpful friendly person should take Gary Burns out in a boat for a day’s fishing.

Struth
April 8, 2022 3:30 pm

It is my fondest wish to get every booster on the market, now or in the future, before my one hundred percent certain death in 42 months time, or whatever timeframe the infallible one proclaims next.

Here we see the true evil bitch that she is.
They come with green “good Nazi” ticks.
She knows.
She couldn’t give a fuck.
Not about any of you, this country, freedom……
A disgusting POS who then talks of her Catholicism as if some angel of righteousness.
Pure evil filth.

Struth
April 8, 2022 3:32 pm

Not all of us were in circumstances where we could just down tools & give a middle finger to Slomo, Recessionberg & Pallyshack.

Who was?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 8, 2022 3:34 pm

Some helpful friendly person should take Gary Burns out in a boat for a day’s fishing.

I can’t work out why Gary Burns wasn’t declared a “vexatious litigant” years ago.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 3:34 pm

Dover

France has mostly run and independent course and has had a troubled history with NATO. Correct me, but I don’t think France is a full member but an associate member.

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 3:34 pm

Sarcasm.

A lost art.

Struth
April 8, 2022 3:34 pm

Don’t try to whip up a posse here.

Funny bastard.
Who needs a posse?
You might, you sad lonely 24/7 fuck.

I’m just having fun while on rehearsal breaks.

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 3:35 pm

Burns is a useful tool to use at arms length against class enemies.

In any other context, he’s a useless one.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

JC says: April 8, 2022 at 3:26 pm

Lol.
You are my bitch. I live in your head rent-free.
All that crap you sprouted last night makes it clear I’ve broken you.
You can’t seem to reconcile that I’ve topped you, then you’ll just have to let your blood pressure take you to the inevitable medical event.

You’ve made it clear you’re a disgusting despicable character & made it abundantly clear to all.
Now bugger off – you won’t pay up, I can live with that, coz nobody would expect any better of you. You’re not known as someone whose word is a bond, pays their debts, or meets their obligations.
You possess not one redeeming feature as a human being.

You are my broken pajero.
My will was stronger.

Game Over.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 8, 2022 3:37 pm

I’m just having fun while on rehearsal breaks.

Twang, twang.
I hadda sell mah boat.
And mah dawg died.
Twang twang.

JMH
JMH
April 8, 2022 3:38 pm

Moons ago, I used to enjoy reading Struth. Nowadays, I just have to scroll past his rants. In doing so, sometimes some of his text is inadvertently scanned.

Here’s what I have done for my country, Struth.

I have refused to take the experimental gene therapy concoction because of State and Federal government insistence. Because of the provisional approval. Because of the mandates. Because of serious side effects. (I have friends who have suffered but HAD to take the concoction for various reasons. Economic survival being one of them!) You can add me to your list of those not submitting to boosters.

I have also disobeyed stupid rules. From QR coding to the wearing of masks – unless forced by being denied essential service.

Over and out.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 8, 2022 3:38 pm

callisays:

April 8, 2022 at 3:34 pm

Sarcasm.

A lost art.

Like you’d know.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Struth says: April 8, 2022 at 3:32 pm

Not all of us were in circumstances where we could just down tools & give a middle finger to Slomo, Recessionberg & Pallyshack.

Who was?

Turn it up Struth.
What would have happened had I kept trading beyond “Scomo-Sunday”?
Seriously bloke.

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 3:39 pm

If you would like to chat about how we can go about fixing it so this sort of thing doesn’t happen again, I’m in.

kneel, yah I get it.
people end up in their corners and come out swinging.

maybe Struth has been guilty of continually pressing every other person’s buttons. I can see that. I’ll wager that Struth would also admit it.

thing is, I been here whole time (more or less) and what I witnessed was a cartel of ‘interesting’ characters that started out poking fun and taking the piss (fair game) but who eventually went out out of their way to personalise and antagonise.

they aren’t even trying to be sensible now.

meanwhile normal people have a bit of a go at rationalizing but eventually just give up
not because they don’t get rationalisations back, but because they’re drowned out by shit-talkers.

its become even more absurd that that too.
if somebody wants to try and tackle an issue, say a good word, or disagree with the cartel, they’re instantly slagged-off as a Struth lover seeking their ‘thought-leader’
it’s infantile but they do go on
and FMD… don’t they ?

From Struths pov I imagine, this place looks one that needs a razzing-up.
so he gives it one.

this place used to be on where controversial stuff could be raised
now, it basically seems that there are forbidden topics and black-balled posters

it has a very chilling effect and I, for one, have to wonder if that is not by design.

I think the thing that puzzles me most about the interplay in this joint is that if the cartel wanted things to be in the realm of the rational then, why do they persist in being so irrational?

could it be that what they really want is the chill rather than the conversation?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 8, 2022 3:39 pm

At least the FSB troll farms will be kept busy trying to understand why Australia’s Leading Political Blog is obsessed with personal hatreds and Jane Austen.

Personal hatred the blog can well do without, but Jane Austen is pretty newsy today, having been deplatformed from the curriculum of a major British university. Apparently she took sugar in her tea which is vilely racist and no doubt sexist in some way too. Nor, as will undoubtedly come out, did she recognise transgender and black people, even though the TV depiction of Regency times known as ‘Brigerton’is stuffed full of those, and that’s what counts for history these days for millennials.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Sancho Panzer says: April 8, 2022 at 3:37 pm

That was rather melodic, that piece you wrote there.
Which instrument do you play?

Struth
April 8, 2022 3:40 pm

Don’t generalise.
It’s you specifically I don’t give a fuck about.
Just you.
Don’t try to whip up a posse here.

Your actions tell a different story.
You’re a disgrace.
Just your attitude here may have lulled a few into accepting the jab.
It may be up to them, but you never for one second ever contemplated what you were doing and saying and how it may affect others.
A true POS.

Look at what Natasha Notaclue just said, while knowing the jab kills.
You people are completely fucked up.

cohenite
April 8, 2022 3:41 pm

Nancy Pelosi Tests Positive for Coronavirus After Spending Time with Joe Biden

That’s great news but poor old joe will get the clap, leprosy, tetanus and scabs off that old kunt in return.

Indolent
Indolent
April 8, 2022 3:43 pm

Victor Davis Hanson

The Nihilism of the Left

Oh, and the woman who doesn’t know what a woman is has been confirmed to the Supreme Court, with the support of 3 Republicans.

Cassie of Sydney
April 8, 2022 3:43 pm

Can we go back to talking about Jane Austin?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 8, 2022 3:43 pm

Ellie Dashwood, a sensible young historian and commenter on all things Regency, will not have a bar of Brigerton and other such nonsensical interpretations of Austen’s times.

Cassie of Sydney
April 8, 2022 3:44 pm

Another one of my favourite English novelists is Elizabeth Gaskell.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

meanwhile normal people have a bit of a go at rationalizing but eventually just give up
not because they don’t get rationalisations back, but because they’re drowned out by shit-talkers.

Amen.
This applies to a whole lot more posts than those by Struth.

could it be that what they really want is the chill rather than the conversation?

That’s what it’s starting to look like. All those broad hints & taunts to Brislurker, wanting someone to come out to play, so they can be jeered at.
This is the sort of thing I haven’t seen since high school girls taunting each other in the schoolyard.
& I’ve seen some rather bitchy stuff among all-female crews of barmaids.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 3:46 pm

Driller

Sure, keep repeating all that to yourself as we begin work on your pile-on stoushing and gaslighting. We will be done in 3 months.

Lysander
Lysander
April 8, 2022 3:47 pm

I’m playing catch up today but is JC out for St Ruth who is out for everyone who is out for St Ruth who is out for Dot who is out for JMH who is out for JC who is out for Driller who is out for Salvatore who is out for St Ruth who is out for Calli…?

And no, I don’t want to join in. 😛

Oh, look, a distraction squirrel…

local oaf
April 8, 2022 3:47 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
April 8, 2022 at 3:43 pm

Can we go back to talking about Jane Austin?

At last, someone wants to talk about the mighty landcrab

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

You can bang on all you like Dunning-Kruger.
Two things:
1/. I live rent-free in your head, your foaming high blood pressure outburst last night made that clear. I’ve broken you.
2/. Unless you’re ponying up for your bet, I don’t want to hear from you again, you welching sack of gutless shit.

Game Over.

rickw
rickw
April 8, 2022 3:48 pm

Jane Austen.

I only come here for the Jane Austen content!

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 3:49 pm

Game Over.

I agree, well almost. Two more personality defects and we’re done.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Topper alert.

rosie
rosie
April 8, 2022 3:52 pm

I’m very fond of Georgette Heyer.
And a couple of the Brontes.

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 3:52 pm

You people are completely fucked up.

and this joint is a microcosm of the greater community

its fucked up everywhere mate

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 3:53 pm

Plagiarism is another one we need need to add to the list, Driller. Dogs and fleas comes to mind. How’s Adonis?

Struth
April 8, 2022 3:56 pm

maybe Struth has been guilty of continually pressing every other person’s buttons. I can see that. I’ll wager that Struth would also admit it.

A few comments back I’ve openly said it.
And it’s not the first time.

A few people here have made dam sure that the conversation never gets where it needs to go.

After the last two years, it’s time to consider who these people really are and what is their agenda.
Why is it that everytime you hit a point, they all disappear, and then all of a sudden morning shift notafan turns up just now?
How is it that they can threaten to break my bones but never a comment of theirs is pulled?
Look at the very anti right wing person Notafan is.
Her behaviour for two years has been disgusting.

They employ the same tactics of twisting the truth and sit on this blog 24/7.
In these times we live in, who are they?

I’m out.
People know who I am.
I am not trying to dox anyone…..but have you noticed the absolute fear that grips Sancho even if you mention it?
And it’s not a natural concern for privacy, but he becomes a blubbering mess.
Who are these people that have caused this blog to go through so much pain and frustration by uniting in their Govtroll rolls to beat down unwanted narratives?
Why are certain points now harder to make here than they are on twitter?
Why are there more people that get what is going on and are holding the line on twitter as a percentage than here?
Why is the most staunchly anti jab, anti submission poster on the blog the one that lives in their heads?
The one they are trying to dismiss.
They may not be Gov trolls, they may be, but the point is…….they may as well be.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 3:58 pm

They employ the same tactics of twisting the truth and sit on this blog 24/7.
In these times we live in, who are they?

You Stuth. You’re describing yourself.

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 3:58 pm

On tea and Austen’s alleged racism.

We now know that sugar is racist or slavery enabling because experts say so.

Is milk in the tea racist, or is black tea? Would drinking black tea be considered metaphorical cannibalism of the more melanin enhanced races? Or is white tea discriminatory?

It’s a minefield out there.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 8, 2022 3:58 pm

From “The Age.”

Roberts-Smith may have ‘colluded’ with witnesses in defamation case, court told
Michaela Whitbourn
By Michaela Whitbourn
April 8, 2022 — 1.59pm

Three newspapers defending a defamation suit brought against them by war veteran Ben Roberts-Smith have alleged the decorated former soldier and four of his prospective witnesses appear to have colluded to give false evidence in the case.

The allegation prompted a furious response from Mr Roberts-Smith’s barrister, Arthur Moses, SC, who told the Federal Court on Friday it was baseless and may prejudice the court and the public by suggesting the witnesses were involved in a conspiracy. He accused the newspapers of “throwing allegations around like confetti”.

Mr Roberts-Smith is suing The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Canberra Times for defamation over a series of articles in 2018 that he says portray him as a war criminal who was involved in the unlawful killing of Afghan prisoners.

The newspapers are seeking to rely on a defence of truth. They applied on Friday for access to documents related to the preparation of written outlines of evidence anticipated to be given in court by Mr Roberts-Smith, who appeared in the witness box last year, and four witnesses expected to be called by his legal team this year.

Mr Roberts-Smith’s lawyers say the documents are covered by legal professional privilege and cannot be produced. But Nicholas Owens, SC, acting for the news outlets, said the documents may shed light on an alleged fraud or impropriety, and the court should order that the material be produced.

Mr Owens said the five outlines contained “a highly specific, and we will say false, account of a material matter” in the case, which provided a “negative alibi” for a soldier in the Afghan partner force dubbed Person 12.

The newspapers allege Mr Roberts-Smith directed Person 12, via an interpreter, to shoot an unarmed Afghan prisoner in October 2012. The rules of engagement provide a killing in those circumstances is murder.

Mr Roberts-Smith denies the allegation and had said in his outline of evidence that Person 12 was not on the mission because he had been stood down from the Afghan National Army earlier that year for wounding a soldier by shooting at a dog.

The proposed evidence about Person 12 was offered as a “knockout blow” to the newspapers’ allegation, Mr Owens said.

But Mr Roberts-Smith conceded in court on June 11 last year that his explanation about Person 12 being stood down was wrong, based on material produced by the Defence Department on the eve of the trial. He maintained the Afghan soldier was not there.

Mr Owens said each of the other four witnesses proposed to be called by Mr Roberts-Smith gave a similar account in their written outlines of evidence about Person 12 being removed from the Afghan National Army.

He said there was “no explanation” for the similarity in the proposed evidence that was “consistent with coincidence or innocent mistake”, and it raised a prima facie case of impropriety. Mr Owens said the lawyers in the case were not accused of wrongdoing.

“The concept of fraud in this case is not the traditional, specific concept of fraud; it’s a broader concept,” he said.

“We say it’s easily wide enough to encompass the situation of multiple witnesses colluding together.”

Mr Moses said witnesses may have the same “innocently mistaken” recollection, and it did not mean they were “perjurers or are lying”.

“Behind every tree there is a dark shadow, according to the [newspapers], so they think the worst,” Mr Moses said.

He said the newspapers had “pulled the trigger prematurely” and should have waited to put the allegation to the witnesses in court. The allegation had not been put to Mr Roberts-Smith last year, Mr Moses said.

Justice Wendy Abraham is considering the application for access to documents, rather than the trial judge, Anthony Besanko. Mr Moses said it will be up to Justice Besanko to determine if Person 12 was in fact present on the mission in question.

Mr Owens said it could be accepted that one person might have a faulty memory but it was “utterly inconceivable” that five people would make the same “highly specific and demonstrably wrong error” about Person 12.

He said the newspapers did not need to prove fraud or illegality to be granted access to documents that would otherwise be covered by legal professional privilege, and only needed to establish a prima facie case.

“We don’t have to exclude innocent mistake,” he said.

Mr Owens said Mr Roberts-Smith’s legal team had not suggested the evidence proposed to be given by the other witnesses would differ from their written outlines, and there had been no indication of any additional evidence.

He said Mr Roberts-Smith’s barrister, Bruce McClintock, SC, also said in his opening address to the court last year that Person 12 was not on the mission in question.

Justice Abraham will deliver her decision on the newspapers’ application at a later date.

“The parties will be notified when I am in a position to deliver judgment,” she said.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

My Broken continues to ramble on. No mention of money, just foaming about weird stuff that never happened.
My Broken has a long record of making outlandish claims, then not being able to prove them.
Sort of like offers to make a bet, big talk but no money.

No wonder I broke it.

rosie
rosie
April 8, 2022 4:00 pm

I’m trying to think of an Austen novel that doesn’t centre around members of the landed gentry or a relic of one such.

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 4:01 pm

No wonder everyone got sloshed on gin.

Tea is a nightmare of racial faux pas.

Delta A
Delta A
April 8, 2022 4:02 pm

Just your attitude here may have lulled a few into accepting the jab.

Utter rubbish!

Cats* make up their own minds, and make their own decisions, uninfluenced by ‘attitudes’. That’s quite unique these days; one of the reasons they post on this blog.

*I do not count trolls as Cats.

feelthebern
feelthebern
April 8, 2022 4:02 pm

A new genre to explore.
Jane Austen meets Warhammer 40k.

Lysander
Lysander
April 8, 2022 4:02 pm

Is milk in the tea racist, or is black tea? Would drinking black tea be considered metaphorical cannibalism of the more melanin enhanced races? Or is white tea discriminatory?

Haha Calli! Lemon Tea means you’re a homophobe!!! 😛

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 4:03 pm

Ho ho ho I had 4 ATO audits in a year and then when I wrote to them, they sent an apology letter. Ho ho ho.

Blowhard.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 8, 2022 4:03 pm

callisays:

April 8, 2022 at 3:58 pm

On tea and Austen’s alleged racism.

Tea?
I wouldn’t get the good china out right now.

feelthebern
feelthebern
April 8, 2022 4:03 pm

Speaking of gin, I was given a bottle of Archie Rose gin for Christmas.
I’m not a gin drinker.
Is it any good?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 4:03 pm

if somebody wants to try and tackle an issue, say a good word, or disagree with the cartel, they’re instantly slagged-off as a Struth lover seeking their ‘thought-leader’

Welp, you keep saying Struth is right to personally abuse folks because he doesn’t like them. That is insulting people ‘like a man.’

And you think that ‘razzing’ and looking down your nose at anyone who respond to him in his own language is perfectly OK, too. Because they’re being ‘sheilas.’ And you drop passive-aggressive little half-sentences about dresses and so forth

Oddly enough, that’s one of Struth’s key slanders when he can’t hyperbolise any more- “I’m a man, and youse aren’t! Cos I said so!”

And you somehow think you’re making commentary on civility and open conversation, by claiming that I, Sancho, KD, rosie, JC and now Kneel are somehow blackballing posters and chilling debate when we don’t meekly submit to our ‘razzings’ and reply to Struth with the same language he uses ion everyone else.

Talk about flinging petrol on the fire…

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
April 8, 2022 4:05 pm

An observation on my part but as much as it is a tall order for Scomo, is Albo about to lose an unlosable election or be hamstrung by a hung parliament when he could have had the lot?

The path to Perm Res is electoral poison. Micromanaging candidates to the n’th degree. The guy is starting to look like what Rudd turned into after he was elected. Being soft on immigration and a nasty control freak.

Struth
April 8, 2022 4:05 pm

I’m trying to think of an Austen novel that doesn’t centre around members of the landed gentry or a relic of one such.

Subject needs changing………..objective.
Make them talk about irrelevences at all costs.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I had 4 ATO audits in a year and then when I wrote to them, they sent an apology letter. Ho ho ho.

Blowhard.

Don’t talk about it.
If you’re so confident;
Make a bet.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 4:06 pm

A few people here have made dam sure that the conversation never gets where it needs to go.

I keep asking you where your camps are, that have allegedly been constructed to ‘deal with’ the unvaccinated. And you call me names in return.

Who is really making sure the conversation does not go where it allegedly needs to?

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 4:07 pm

And don’t get me started on the sprigged muslin all the way from the cruel exploitation of the sub continent!

I think the 18th century needs to be completely cancelled. And bits of the 19th.

While we’re at it, let’s cancel the lot and start again. Build Back Better.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Rockdoctor says: April 8, 2022 at 4:05 pm

Rockdoctor, is is fair dinkum that Albo has promised to bring in hundreds of thousands of workers?

Electoral poison – the unions are 200% against actual workers coming into the country.
Unions have been going to quite a deal of trouble to kill off backpacking, & kill off the temporary farm labour schemes.

Union loathing of imported workers is what got the 457 visa abolished.

Is Albo completely off his rocker?

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
April 8, 2022 4:09 pm

One fun thing I’ve been up to in WA’s extended dimwit simping time is going out and about with no phone, no cards, no IDs. As well as my customary no mask (I keep thinking, all youse sheep don’t even raise an eyebrow at me, so why the hell do you all still wear the muzzle?)
Cash only, and assumed name for coffee, book orders, no loyalty schemes, no mobile phone so we can give you a call when it comes in. It’s definitely kept a lid on impulse purchases.
Ordering a book the other day and the chick was asking me for a mobile number. Nope, I said, if you’ve got no faith in me as a buyer, or yourself as a bookseller, then forget it, this isn’t my kind of store after all. Oh but I need it for the system you see, I can’t order without it. Well does the system work for you, or are you working for the system? Sheesh.
I don’t go out much, although coming up to a semi-regular pub time of year. I might have to try to slip in unjabberated, with a nod to the quiet-time skeleton staff.
I keep bumping into people I know, who are thrilled but more often stunned that I swan around with my sunburnt chin out for all to see. “Crikey Wally, where’s your mask?” they say. “I don’t have a mask. My wife doesn’t have a vibrator, my dog has his balls intact, my kids do not have bike helmets, and I do not have a mask.”

Struth
April 8, 2022 4:10 pm

And in comes Choo Choo, with some emotion teenage Ner Ners that make no sense whatsover.

God, what a mess since these people have been here.

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 4:10 pm

I’m not talking about irrelevancies at all.

Please note where the reasoning of my last comment went.

Is this not the purpose of all the angst and oppression?

rosie
rosie
April 8, 2022 4:11 pm

Had lunch in an Asian restaurant today.
Sitting too close to a slightly too loud female and her chime in only to agree male companion, (probably too loud for our benefit).
Only halfway though through her on-line training she was an expert on anti racism, she said so.
One can only be one or the other, a racist or an anti racist and every day one must examine one’s self for racist content. She was engaged in designing cultural appropriate something for some speaker, also mentioned more than once along with comments about the tediouty of dining with little people.
Several times we heard spring rolls were white people food in such an establishment (yes we’d ordered some for the little person) all in all impossible to drown out so we hastened to eat up and get out.
A pity anti racism didn’t extend to saying please to your Asian waitress.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 4:12 pm

Don’t talk about it.
If you’re so confident;
Make a bet.

I did, you backed out. You’ve been gaslighting ever since. Everything about you is criminal, Driller. You put on airs of having manners. It’s a false veneer because you’re just a rednecked little crook. Without exception, you’re one of the most disgusting pieces of human trash the internet ever collected.

Do you even own anything anymore or was it taken from you?

Post the evidence of the 4 audits and the apology letter or just fuck off.

Now enuff as you’re boring and ruining someone’s property.

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 4:13 pm

Rex, you get call a sheila because your feeble attempts at rational argument are constructed out of the relativist gibber inside your head.

specifically, you are very much at about the same level as a 16yo school-girl.

you keep saying Struth is right to personally abuse folks

I never said that … you just invented some old shit … again

essentially, I think your’re retarded as well as rosie

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Several times we heard spring rolls were white people food in such an establishment

She’s very wrong on that.
Spring rolls are mandatory ordering by Chinese. (Whether they actually eat them is another matter.)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 8, 2022 4:15 pm

GovTrolls?
Really?
You think this place warrants that sort of attention?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Post the evidence of the 4 audits

That will happen after you put the stake of $4 million Australian Dollars into escrow. Or can’t you match your bets?
Chequebook smaller than mouth.

Now stake up, or fuck off.
(Money talks, bullshit walks)

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 4:17 pm

also mentioned more than once along with comments about the tediouty of dining with little people.

Sometimes it seems as if all the overblown Dickensian characters have come to rest at the table adjacent to your own.

Free entertainment. Dinner and the floor show.

rosie
rosie
April 8, 2022 4:17 pm

I remember a kindergarten teacher of the old school telling me about a certain type of four year old that would appoint themselves as policeman, telling all the other children what they could play and how they must play it.
How about the self appointed Open Forum policemans go play somewhere else?

cohenite
April 8, 2022 4:18 pm

Another one of my favourite English novelists is Elizabeth Gaskell.

Gaskell is very satisfying. Cranford, her best work, was made into a very nice series. So was North and South another fine novel and series. If you want to really read a popular at the time female novelist get hold of Charlotte Mary Yonge although beware her high church moral base can be irksome although well intended. She was enormously popular.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
April 8, 2022 4:19 pm

You come in for a look to see if any interesting comments and links but yet again it is like what Bill Murray experienced in the movie Ground Hog Day. The JC v Sal saga, whilst scrollable , is really racking up the posts and tedious and repetitive doesn’t even cover it.

A simple rule would solve it. Neither allowed to respond to a post by the other. Breach the rule and 3 day suspension. It is not as if they will miss engaging in normal discussion because no matter how sensible the comment it will be used as part of a stoush.

My 2 cents worth. Life is too short to have to wade through the drivel each day.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The JC v Sal saga, whilst scrollable , is really racking up the posts and tedious and repetitive doesn’t even cover it.

I don’t even think of the turd unless he addresses me.
I am allowed to respond to unprovoked insults & lies.
It’s not as if he’s ever written one word of truth
Nobody believes a word he posts anyway, so yeah, why bother battering him any further?

Now that I’ve broken him, I should let him crawl away & cower.

Cassie of Sydney
April 8, 2022 4:27 pm

From The Oz…

“United Australia Party leader Craig Kelly has been egged at what appears to be a Melbourne outdoor meet-up.

A video of Craig Kelly being egged in Melbourne apparently pic.twitter.com/tTdk1BUe0G

— camvid-19 (@cameronwilson) April 8, 2022
A woman can be seen walking up behind Mr Kelly before smashing an egg on his head.

The woman can also be heard accusing Mr Kelly of being an “anti-semite” and “Nazi-lover”.

Mr Kelly maintained his distance from the woman, but called out her actions as “a disgrace to our democracy”.”

This is assault and I hope she’s charged. I am fucking sick and tired of right of centre politicians being assaulted……be it Tony Abbott, Fraser Anning, Scott Morrison.

Craig Kelly is no anti-Semite. Oh and here’s an inconvenient fact, the home of anti-Semitism is now firmly on the left and the proof of this is the Greens, the ALP left, the nasty Jew hating progressives at their ABC and some of the Grifters Of independents……particularly the independent running in Goldstein, everyday there are new unsavoury stories emerging of her dislike of right-wing Jews and Israel.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 4:27 pm

Brett

I’m not the guilty party here. All I’ve done is respond. Yesterday afternoon, the blowhard in chief came on here and made up a bullshit story about mistreatment by his bank. He needs to blowhard because I suspect his business has or is very close to failure. When he was tackled on it he began to change topic. As I said he’s a disgusting worthless example of humanity to ever exit a decrepit wom.

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 4:28 pm

I’ll tell the readership another thing.

If struth didn’t post … the cartel would still remain.

derailing, polarising, personalising, incessant, repeated, targeted, relativist gibber

and we know this to be true … because there were plenty of times where their favorite antagonist wasn’t here and they simply found a new target.

see, it doesn’t matter who the target is, it only matters that there is one.

they need a foil, so they like struth best.
he’s persistent to a fault

( and the next words off rex or sancho’s keyboard will be some relativistic gibber attempting guilt-by-association, or a pithy variation of their Charter of Noble Cause)

Franx
Franx
April 8, 2022 4:29 pm

In Austens’s works, pretty much throughout, it was difficult to accept her underlying adherence to the belief that those of lower moral standards were necessarily of a lower social class, and vice versa. And yet it would be churlish to dismiss Austen on this alone.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 4:29 pm

Look at the nonsense he posts. It’s lies mixed in with self deception.

I don’t even think of the turd unless he addresses me.
I am allowed to respond to unprovoked insults & lies.
It’s not as if he’s ever written one word of truth
Nobody believes a word he posts anyway, so yeah, why bother battering him any further?

Now that I’ve broken him, I should let him crawl away & cower.

I wonder if he’s now living in a trailer park?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

If struth didn’t post … the cartel would still remain.

We’ve seen that come true.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 4:32 pm

Rex, you get call a sheila because your feeble attempts at rational argument are constructed out of the relativist gibber inside your head.

specifically, you are very much at about the same level as a 16yo school-girl.

My point demonstrated, Cats.

Matrix wants Struth’s raging and denouncing of his chosen targets as Nazis and enablers of WEF murdergenocide to be the dominant conversation here. Because it is apparently suppressed, despite the upticks.

He just likes to ignore or minimise all the personal anklebites and slurs that Struth throws out at his targets about their masculinity and sexuality. Despite them being integral to Struth’s rhetoric.

I never said that … you just invented some old shit … again

Really? All Struth does is abuse people and blaming them for the tyranny he is suffering.

And you keep saying he is right. Or you scroll these bits in favour of his Nuffery about the WEF and digital IDs and controls and so forth.

And anyone who challenges his claims, like the DeAtH CaMpS he still can’t point out, is ‘gaslighting.’

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 4:33 pm

How about the self appointed Open Forum policemans go play somewhere else?

rosie … you should check you didn’t leave the iron on

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 4:33 pm

and we know this to be true … because there were plenty of times where their favorite antagonist wasn’t here and they simply found a new target.

Like who?

And why this constant collectivisation, Matrix?

Lysander
Lysander
April 8, 2022 4:35 pm

Hendo’s out:

https://thesydneyinstitute.com.au/blog/issue-583/

Perhaps some better reading there?…

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 4:35 pm

How do you derail an open thread?

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 4:37 pm

see, here we go

there’s one down … making comment has turned me into a “self appointed Open Forum policemans”

and another … “Matrix wants Struth’s raging and denouncing of his chosen targets as Nazis and enablers of WEF murdergenocide to be the dominant conversation here.”

two retards with one bullet

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 4:38 pm

How do you derail an open thread?

Speak out against the Struth, apparently…

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

How do you derail an open thread?

Invite Numbaz in.

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 4:39 pm

And why this constant collectivisation, Matrix?

sorry Rex, you wont get an honest answer from me.
engaging with you in any serious discussion is pointless
you have proven yourself incapable

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Speak out against the Struth, apparently…

Rex, there’s a difference between non-stop gratuitous needling & reasoned discussion.
We’re all here for reasoned debate, so………. (never mind, belay that)

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 8, 2022 4:41 pm

In other fat bastard defamation news…

WAs slimiest lawmaker and Attorney general returns to court because, gosh darn it, he was a little imprecise in his language*
John Quigley ‘corrects’ evidence in defamation case involving Clive Palmer and Mark McGowan

WA’s Attorney General has denied evidence he provided to the high-profile defamation trial involving Premier Mark McGowan and mining magnate Clive Palmer can’t be relied upon.

Mr Quigley has sought to correct evidence he gave to the Federal Court, saying his busy work schedule as a politician may have contributed to him forgetting the date he found out that Mr Palmer had not registered crucial arbitration, which could have led to a massive damages claim against the state.

Mr Palmer was pursuing damages, potentially worth $30 billion, over the previous state government’s refusal to assess the Balmoral South iron ore project in the Pilbara.

Mr Palmer is suing WA Premier Mark McGowan over comments made in 2020, including Mr McGowan’s claim he was an “enemy of the state” due to his legal challenge of the state’s border.

Mr McGowan, in turn, is countersuing Mr Palmer, claiming he suffered reputational damage through claims he “abused the parliamentary system” and lied to the people of WA.
Mr Palmer’s legal team has been arguing the Premier had shown malice towards their client by deceitfully plotting to “torpedo” the arbitration in 2020, when the government introduced extraordinary legislation designed to prevent Mr Palmer from pursuing the damages claim against WA.
Today, Mr Quigley returned to the Federal Court in person to correct evidence he gave last month, telling the court he was mistaken about the timing of when he first found out about Mr Palmer’s damages award not being registered.

Mr Quigley gave evidence on March 9 regarding an interview on ABC Radio on August 13, 2020, during which he talked about the government’s intention to use legislation to head off the possible claim against the WA.**

Mr Quigley told the court his previous evidence, when he said he first knew about the failure to register the award on August 12 or 13, was wrong.

He said he actually became aware before a cabinet meeting on August 11, though he could not specify how long before.

The Attorney General said that after he gave evidence last month, he was told by his Chief of Staff that he might have been wrong, and he called for the cabinet file to be retrieved to help him refresh his memory.

Mr Quigley said he’d been under “a lot of pressure” working hard as a parliamentarian and a minister, and referred to having been served with a $50 million writ by Mr Palmer, who was claiming he was involved in a conspiracy against him.

Counsel for Mr Palmer, Peter Gray SC, asked Mr Quigley how long it was before the cabinet meeting on August 11, that he knew of the risk that Mr Palmer could get the arbitration registered.

Mr Quigley said he couldn’t recall, but he “wouldn’t say months”.

The Attorney General also couldn’t recall whether he’d done any checking before he swore his affidavit, and was taken to task about answers he gave in March, which he now admitted were wrong.

Mr Gray asked Mr Quigley: “Do you agree nothing you say in the witness box can actually be relied upon?”, to which the Attorney General answered: “No”.

Justice Michael Lee described Mr Quigley’s evidence as “not dishonest, but all over the shop.”***

* Lied lie a pig in shit, but so egregiously that the magistrate couldnt pretend it wasnt blatant.
** Funny thing is it was spouting off how clever he was on a friendliest of media that tripped him up.
*** Dishonest.

The ghosts of Brian burke & Carmen lawrence smile…

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 4:42 pm

Thanks Lysander.

Obviously La Trioli has not been to Nancy’s Courtesy Classes since she demanded – with the support of Labor’s Clare O’Neil – information as to who funded Rozner and “from whom” (allegedly) his “views came”. During one brief exchange, Trioli interrupted the man from the IPA on no fewer than five occasions.

Heh. She’ll never top Snowcone’s record.

bespoke
bespoke
April 8, 2022 4:44 pm

That’s great but should a single person have lost there livelihood over it?

No, Bear.

But if it’s my grandkid they are not the my priority.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Crikey Mole, the rest of us would be done for perjury or something in those circumstances.

cohenite
April 8, 2022 4:48 pm

Just get a load of this. The question and then the appalling answer.

A University of Chicago student asks a left wing reporter about the media cover up for Hunter Biden. Watch his question and watch her arrogant reaction. It perfectly encapsulates why so many distrust the media.

Where’s will smith when you need him; they should have all been bitch-slapped.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 4:50 pm

two retards with one bullet

And we’re only retards because you like to see us get abused by Struth. And we don’t.

There’s nothing wrong with being partisan, Matrix. Everyone has their biases. Much like certain opinions regarding the relative purity of Vlad Bae to the pefidy of Ukraine are actively encouraged here. And while counter-opinions may not be overtly frowned upon, the zeitgeist is quite chilly if you think an invasion, whatever the post-facto justifications and excuses cooked up, is not the way to sort out the kind of geopolitical ‘poking’ we’ve seen Moscow engage in since 2014. Similar with the last 2 years of lockdowns, vaccinations, mandates, the varying levels of authoritarianism adopted by different States and how it is somehow a universal bad and ‘evil’ if you did not give up your job and life immediately when the jab was officially mooted.

But when you decide to flap your scarf with one hand while holding a lit molotov in the other, and claim its only the other side who is being riotous, it’s just a wee little bit hypocritical…

Arky
April 8, 2022 4:51 pm

MT.
Check your e-mail.

Figures
Figures
April 8, 2022 4:51 pm

Tracey Spicer – a massive fan of No Jab No Pay and every other coercive vaccine policy – has pericarditis from the clot shots. Oh sorry, I meant “long covid”.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/long-covid-tracey-spicer-health-coronavirus-news-australia/0ba8cffa-7ed2-4f82-94dd-fab69b598b77

I’ll save my sympathy for the people who suffer the same but were forced to get it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 8, 2022 4:52 pm

is Albo about to lose an unlosable election

He’s been letting slip a few things.

Labor vows to stop Australia from becoming ‘guest worker nation’ (8 Apr)

Labor will make immigration reform a key plank in its election policy agenda, vowing to end the nation’s dependence on short-term visa holders and make it easier for foreign workers to become permanent residents.

Opposition immigration spokeswoman Kristina Keneally said the re-opening of Australia’s international borders presented a golden opportunity to overhaul the country’s migration system and reduce the reliance on temporary workers to fill skills shortages.

Country shoppers, start your engines! The usual suspects in Indo will be buying up fishing boats like hot cakes.

‘Clear message’: Labor promises to bid to host global climate change summit if elected (6 Apr)

Australia would bid to host a United Nations climate change summit in partnership with other Pacific nations if Labor won next month’s federal election as part of the federal opposition’s bid to improve the nation’s credentials with the region on the issue.

The annual Conference of the Parties – known as COP – has brought together the world’s nations for deliberations for almost three decades, taking climate from a fringe issue to a global priority, including in 1995 for the Kyoto Protocol and in 2015 for the Paris Accord.

That’s code for Labor going the full climate crazy once elected. Nothing is crazier on climate than the COP, and Albo wants to bring it here. Ergo he’s going to go all in on what they are saying, and they are saying even nuttier things lately.

Poor fella my country.

MatrixTransform
April 8, 2022 4:54 pm

And we’re only retards because you like to see us get abused by Struth. And we don’t

no, that isn’t the reason you’re a retard

you’re a retard because you are now trying to do the Cat-Walk in your best Victim Frock

exactly how stupid do you think people are mate?

cohenite
April 8, 2022 4:55 pm

In Austens’s works, pretty much throughout, it was difficult to accept her underlying adherence to the belief that those of lower moral standards were necessarily of a lower social class, and vice versa. And yet it would be churlish to dismiss Austen on this alone.

I don’t know what you’ve been reading but it hasn’t been our Jane. She absolutely arse-fucked upper-class pretensions, ie Lady Catherine de Bourgh:

“Of music! Then pray speak aloud. It is of all subjects my delight. I must have my share in the conversation, if you are speaking of music. There are few people in England, I suppose, who have more true enjoyment of music than myself, or a better natural taste. If I had ever learnt, I would have been a great proficient.”

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 4:56 pm

sorry Rex, you wont get an honest answer from me.
engaging with you in any serious discussion is pointless
you have proven yourself incapable

Right back at you, you hypocrite.

You slung abuse at me over Director’s Identification Numbers, because they are all apparently tyrannical. And you started to Nuff at me because I said I had been asked to apply for one.

I tried to engage you in good faith and explained the legal advice my volunteer organisation was given, as well as the legal and regulatory background. Ultimately useless as it may be.

And all you did was sneer and look down your nose at me and drop cryptic comments about how I was a fool to do it. And threw the regulations at me to back your assertions.

If you are so eager for the Cat to be a monoculture of Gummint Bad, Resist Gummint, Tyrann-REEEEEEE! Look to your idol’s Furniture Store.

And leave us denialists to actually debate and deal with the merits and stupidities of life outside the fantasy…

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 8, 2022 4:56 pm

GovTrolls?
Really?
You think this place warrants that sort of attention?

No. Far from it.
But reports of the 2015 US election troll storm tells us it goes like this:

1) A Russian propaganda site puts out some bullshit article with a distinctive heading:

2) The Russian troll farm community trawls the net, picks up references to that heading reposted by someone, then – if it finds a well-populated blog – joins in with commentary like: ‘I heard from a friend in the army that Morrison has plans to refuse the election results and call out the military…

3) Result = discord sown in a small corner of some foreign land.

Luckily, at the Cat, Poot’s winged monkeys will be stuck trying to craft a political zinger about Fat Bastard, or Sir Roger Moore.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
April 8, 2022 4:57 pm

exactly how stupid do you think people are mate?

Welp, you, little Mr. Superior are still responding…

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

because you like to see us get abused by Struth.

Calm down Rex.
You’re safe. 🙂
I’d be surprised if anybody reads past the first couple of lines of a Struth wordwall.
& the first lines are usually unedifying nicknames that I’ve no idea who they are meant to be.

bespoke
bespoke
April 8, 2022 4:59 pm

But if it’s my grandkid they are not the my priority.

Try

Umm that don’t seem right.
Try
My grandkid is the priority before all.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
April 8, 2022 5:00 pm

Another one of my favourite English novelists is Elizabeth Gaskell.

Yay, Cassie, you too? She was still just the ‘minor, unrecognised’ Mrs. Gaskell when I read some of her works in the 1960’s going through a nineteenth century novelists phase (never enrolled in English at uni, so self-taught in that). I also read Disraeli’s ‘Two Nations’; interesting politically but not a great writer. Hardy, Austen and Eliot my choice in that English century. Bronte sisters, read some of them, but I think the stir-craziness of living in that unhealthy old Rectory where everyone died from the sewage seep from the graveyard above must have done things to their minds.

miltonf
miltonf
April 8, 2022 5:01 pm

How about the self appointed Open Forum policemans go play somewhere else?

They don’t because their lives are so devoid of meaning and constructive things to do. I sure hope they’re not living on ‘benefits’ as the poms say.

calli
calli
April 8, 2022 5:02 pm

Yes, Cohenite. An evisceration. Mr Collins is treated much the same.

I have often speculated on Lady Catherine’s sister, Lady Anne. Her demise might have been a Blessed Relief for husband, son and daughter. As the father was untitled, I assume hers was inherited, possibly an earl’s daughter?

She may have married down, but she definitely married money.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 8, 2022 5:02 pm

I think the 18th century needs to be completely cancelled. And bits of the 19th.

Dunno, calli. I’ve long lamented the end of the practice of dueling. There are a couple of specimens I could imagine, seen over the sights of a dueling pistol…oh and FWIW, I was quite a good shot with a handgun…

bespoke
bespoke
April 8, 2022 5:03 pm

cohenitesays:
April 8, 2022 at 4:55 pm

Get some help!

miltonf
miltonf
April 8, 2022 5:04 pm

I liked Mr Hurst ‘a man of fashion rather than fortune’- they had no horses iirc.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 5:04 pm

This is a perfect example for a reason to also keep a close watch on the Right and ensure we don’t buy bullshit from either side.

Disney is in the soup with the Right at the moment and with good reason too. But really, you need to gin up a pic going back to 1985 to show Disney in the bad light because they had the disgusting Maxwell peddling some ad.

You know guys, fuck off.

Why Was Ghislaine Maxwell Doing Fundraisers For Disney in 1985?
Sometimes one picture is worth a thousand boycotts

Photos of convicted pedophile Ghislaine Maxwell hosting an event called “Happy Family Disney Day” in 1985 have surfaced on the Internet today. It’s the ultimate PR nightmare.

It’s going to be very hard for Disney to claim that it’s not a pro-pedophile organization when it literally took donations from the world’s most infamous (still) living pedophile and “groomer to the stars.”

Creepy, isn’t it?

https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/why-was-ghislaine-maxwell-doing-fundraisers?s=r

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Labor will make immigration reform a key plank in its election policy agenda, vowing to end the nation’s dependence on short-term visa holders and make it easier for foreign workers to become permanent residents.

BoN, I’m heavily involved & have been for years, in the politics of temporary entry workers, both sponsored & working holidaymakers. (Hence I know the theme of fruit pickers paid $2 per hour is complete bullshit)
Lately all the literature is ramming home the concept of “pathway to citizenship” even for a pacific islander who comes to pick mangos, then goes home with the money (i.e. grubstake) to set up his family future.
This pathway to residency seems to have become an object of faith, even for visas that don’t really call for it, or require it.
A wall of sinister silence meets anyone who makes an objective effort to find out what it is all about.

Opposition immigration spokeswoman Kristina Keneally said the re-opening of Australia’s international borders presented a golden opportunity to overhaul the country’s migration system and reduce the reliance on temporary workers to fill skills shortages.

Make temporary entry workers into citizens, and hey presto! No more guest workers doing the dirty work, it’s all being done by… Citizens.
(It’ll turn out that Australians do want to work in the regions after all, heh)

What could possibly go wrong with this ALP brain-fart?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 8, 2022 5:15 pm

Comment, from the Oz, about the Bushmasters being sent to the Ukraine.

stuart
7 hours ago
Fun fact: in Afghanistan the Dutch had tighter ROE than the Australians and we could return fire more freely. Our Bushmasters had little red kangaroos stencilled on the hulls and the Taliban knew that those little red kangaroos shot back with accuracy – the Dutch quickly placed little red kangaroos on their hulls – and incoming fire was greatly reduced!

Franx
Franx
April 8, 2022 5:20 pm

Cohenite, it’s the morals rather than pretensions niceties, civilities, sensibilities. Shortcomings involving loose morals (not manners)are in Austen the preserve of the outsider, the one revealed as born of questionable parentage, etc. Not anywhere near eugenics, though. Bronte C takes the opposite approach. At least that’s how I read thing, or misread them, at my leisure.

Struth
April 8, 2022 5:20 pm

I keep bumping into people I know, who are thrilled but more often stunned that I swan around with my sunburnt chin out for all to see. “Crikey Wally, where’s your mask?” they say. “I don’t have a mask. My wife doesn’t have a vibrator, my dog has his balls intact, my kids do not have bike helmets, and I do not have a mask.”

I think I love you.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 5:21 pm

Shit

Massive for France & Europe. The first ever poll to put Marine Le Pen in a winning position for the Presidency. Not very surprising given Macron’s complacent centrism & elitism. This could be France’s populist moment.

Atlas Politico run-off poll:
Le Pen: 50.5%
Macron: 49.5%

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 8, 2022 5:21 pm

SATP – The immigration policy area and the climate area are straight out of the Klain/Biden toolkit. Same sort of far left activism is driving it. No surprise since the ALP heirarchy is now drawn mainly from student activists who never held a real job in their lives.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 8, 2022 5:22 pm

(Hence I know the theme of fruit pickers paid $2 per hour is complete bullshit)

Has fruit picking changed from piecework to per hour?
And can workers now get onsite without an AWU ticket?
Although I suppose an AWU ticket is no protection against being ripped off – in fact it’s often a pathway to it (see Peanut Head, Cleanevent etc.).

feelthebern
feelthebern
April 8, 2022 5:22 pm

Tracey Spicer

Always with the hand out, the ol’ Tracey.

JC
JC
April 8, 2022 5:23 pm

Cernovich

Still wonder if Zelensky is haunted by his choice to withhold Biden corruption files. Trump would have won by any margin of doubt, and Ukraine would have been saved.

You really have to wonder if everything would be different. I can sort of understand Z man’s decision to avoid. The last thing he wanted would have been getting in the middle of a political fight in the US. Bad call, dude.

feelthebern
feelthebern
April 8, 2022 5:25 pm

All foreign students should receive automatic permanent residency status post graduation.
They’ve typically subsidised Aussie students to the tune of 150k over the course of their degree.
Plus we get to tax them for the next 60 years.
Not a bad return for the humble Aussie taxpayer.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
April 8, 2022 5:26 pm

Surely there’s a point in P&P, that although the Bennets are a class in common for the Bingleys and de Burghs- which means Mrs Bennet is tolerated even though she’s a blunt urger, Lydia (?) is a pop tart, and Lizzie is a sark with no small-talk conversational skills or musical accomplishment- the one thing which very nearly- and rightfully- puts Darcy off, is Mr Bennet’s terrible example to his family with a lack of tact, impropriety, and ridicule to his wife?

Delta A
Delta A
April 8, 2022 5:26 pm

Neither allowed to respond to a post by the other. Breach the rule and 3 day suspension.

That’s a big ask of Dover. He has said already that he doesn’t read all posts – who can blame him for that? Then to have to red card and supervise the naughty corner – who’s been here for how long – would be an enormous imposition on his time (and sanity).

Better to give Struth his own thread* where he can storm in every day to abuse us, and Cats can respond – or not. That would make the OT almost scroll-free.

*Better still, Struth could open his own blog where he can abuse everyone who turns up. I’m sure that would be a real winner.

Struth
April 8, 2022 5:27 pm

Now I feel bad.
I’ve been abusing little Rex-anne Gerrrrrrrrr.
She’s only been twying to defend herself against a torrid of abuse without her tears spoiling her good communion dress.
I’m sorry Rexanne .

In between dreaming up what other people have said and then demand they defend your words, and trying to fit in that one train shift a fortnight, it must be tough.

The tactic is the same for all you girls.
Put your words in other people’s mouths and claim they’ve said all sorts of shit.

Look, honestly, I have got to give it to Notafan with that tactic.
She was doing it way before the rest of you ladies.
Is it some course you lefties do in the public service?

bespoke
bespoke
April 8, 2022 5:27 pm

Has fruit picking changed from piecework to per hour?

Grape picking has in my state.

And can workers now get onsite without an AWU ticket?

Still no union yet.

feelthebern
feelthebern
April 8, 2022 5:28 pm

Still wonder if Zelensky is haunted by his choice to withhold Biden corruption files

Why would Zelensky hand over files to Trump that implicated the guy that bankrolled his (Zelensky’s) campaign?
Was never going to happen.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Bruce of Newcastle says: April 8, 2022 at 5:21 pm

SATP – The immigration policy area and the climate area are straight out of the Klain/Biden toolkit. Same sort of far left activism is driving it. No surprise since the ALP heirarchy is now drawn mainly from student activists who never held a real job in their lives.

It feels like that. Except we’ve had an LNP govt.
It’s as if the public servants involved are pushing ALP policy regardless.
The LNP Minister is completely useless & unable to keep a lid on the bullshit.

The Department of Home Affairs, & Border Force, are indisputably the most inept depts in the commonwealth, & should be disbanded and started again, with few of the existing staff retained.

I could write a series of guest posts on the hopelessness of the depts (except I’m too close to the coal face & too impacted personally to be able to draw back far enough for an overview)

It is almost as if they’re trying to destroy Australia.

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