Open Thread – Weekend 10 Sept 2022


Road to Racquencourt, Camille Pissarro, 1871

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JC
JC
September 11, 2022 6:36 pm

Australia is the land of the bludger and it’s amazing that, as federal and state governments pass laws rocketing the cost of electricity (based on the junk science religion of climate doom), an emasculated version of the capitalist free market survives in this antipodean socialist backwater.

It survives at a stretch, Tom. Consider also the possibility the Canberra liars were in on it too as the Queen’s day off could have been on Friday too.

Indolent
Indolent
September 11, 2022 6:41 pm

Stuthid is more annoying than USSR and that world competition level.

The perfect example

Johnny Rotten
September 11, 2022 6:42 pm

rickwsays:
September 11, 2022 at 6:32 pm
Yes there was a “Welcome to Country” and “First Nations” dancers..”

Hopes of a boycott dashed!

Was there a Welcome to Country when Captain Cook and those Dutch people turned up in WA. Captain Cook had better travel sense and went to the better side. Still no welcome though.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 11, 2022 6:42 pm

It survives at a stretch, Tom. Consider also the possibility the Canberra liars were in on it too as the Queen’s day off could have been on Friday too.

The timing was explained as Sleazy and the GG are flying to the funeral and will not arrive home until Wed evening. As they are the chief mourners the day of mourning is the first available day after their return.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 11, 2022 6:43 pm

Flight home booked. Q’link now does a direct flight I was unaware of MEL-TSV. B717 though, meh at least at gentleman hours not a red eye run. Early Oct departure and not too soon, am so over the cold.

Some more observations having been into a couple state forests recently. Bush here is full of leaf litter the likes I have never seen before. No-one has learned from the last iteration, bloody stupid.

Oh well guess climate change will be the alleged culprit again…

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 11, 2022 6:45 pm

rickw she is more pissed off now than before.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 6:45 pm

The timing was explained as Sleazy and the GG are flying to the funeral and will not arrive home until Wed evening. As they are the chief mourners the day of mourning is the first available day after their return.

The Albanian couldn’t wait a day to mourn, right?

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2022 6:47 pm

m0ntysays:
September 11, 2022 at 6:21 pm
I am not saying I know more than old mate. I am saying I don’t trust his judgement.

On what basis, other than personal prejudice? How much of his work have you read/ What is your means of developing the knowledge of military tactics and strategy, against which to test your “trust”?

rickw
rickw
September 11, 2022 6:49 pm

The Albanian couldn’t wait a day to mourn, right?

It’s been a very emotional time for him, he needs to let it all out!

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 6:50 pm

Serge is making the same mistake as db: picking his side in a war based on religious reasons, showing solidarity with the Russian Orthodox Church. Unfortunately, God does not appear to be on their side in this one.

Tom
Tom
September 11, 2022 6:51 pm

JC, The Liars in Canberra have declared Thursday September 22 the public holiday to mark the Queen’s death, which in Victoria means consecutive long weekends of holidays, including the following long weekend for the AFL grand final.

Australia is now the bludging capital of the world. FMD.

Johnny Rotten
September 11, 2022 6:51 pm

Indolentsays:
September 11, 2022 at 6:41 pm
Stuthid is more annoying than USSR and that world competition level.

He is not too bad. He just has a chip on both shoulders and a Big Gob. Not everyone has had the Jab or needed to follow Guv’ment dictates. I for one did not. Trouble is this Wally calling himself/herself/whatever self has issues and tries to ram it down the throats of everyone here.

Get a Life and FUCK OFF.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2022 6:52 pm

Unfortunately, God does not appear to be on their side in this one.

“Unfortunately”?? Is that a value judgement, supporting Wussia, and regretting God’s choice? Or is it the wrongologist’s kiss of death for Ukraine?

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 6:53 pm

JC, The Liars in Canberra have declared Thursday September 22 the public holiday to mark the Queen’s death, which in Victoria means consecutive long weekends of holidays, including the following long weekend for the AFL grand final.

No, Tom.

Thu Sept 22: one-off national holiday for Queen’s funeral
Fri Sept 23: annual holiday in Victoria for AFL Grand Final Parade (also in WA for a different reason)
Sat Sept 24: AFL Grand Final

Mater
September 11, 2022 6:54 pm

And Stuthid doesn’t do the opposite?

Struth doesn’t try to deny what he’s doing.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
September 11, 2022 6:56 pm

Why would you bother, when the HC is just going to say the jury couldn’t possibly have concluded any guilt because the evidence was too weak?

Quite so M0nty.
The police should not bother to prosecute when the evidence is too weak.
As for railroading Pell? Why that’s another ball game altogether. Quite different to prosecuting based on rigorous evidence.

bespoke
bespoke
September 11, 2022 6:57 pm

This is the Australian way, if you didn’t personally get fucked by government, shrug your shoulders and move on like nothing happened.

I get it Rick. Mainly because of the issues my wife and I face. Advocating with some success for more stringent sentences for violent crime. And recently more rights for extended families. It’s frustrating the indiference from authorities aswell as the public. But I can’t be sure I would as motivated if it wasn’t personal. People have other priorities others issues to deal with.
You are not alone. You have people who want only the best for you.

Remember that.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:00 pm

Struth doesn’t try to deny what he’s doing.

True, because the meathead doesn’t even know his position is subversively authoritarian.

What is the relevance of denial or not? The only point that should be considered important for either Rosie or the Queersland dickhead is to figure who abetting compulsion. That’s not Rosie.

Arky
September 11, 2022 7:00 pm

Could the next move be to try to smash through south of Mariupol?
That, if it succeeds, would wreck the land bridge, and all that southern half of the war could only be supplied through the Crimea, and the Ukrainians have those bridges covered.
Just speculating.

Tom
Tom
September 11, 2022 7:00 pm

Quite right, Monty. The Elbow regime has extended the workforce’s holiday in Victoria by only one day — a mistake the trade union party will never make again when so many costs can now be imposed on employers by government fiat.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:05 pm

Australia is now the bludging capital of the world. FMD.

Yep Tom.

m0nty says:
September 11, 2022 at 6:53 pm

No, Tom.

What are you disagreeing with you idiot. Tom is minimally suggesting the Thursday holiday should have been dumped into Friday. STFU.

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2022 7:06 pm

“Thu Sept 22: one-off national holiday for Queen’s funeral”

What funeral? There’s no funeral on Thursday 22 September. The Queen’s funeral is on Monday 19 September.

The national public holiday is on 22 September to commemorate her life, not her death.
Albanese’s words…

“I have asked Premiers and Chief Ministers that Thursday 22 September 2022 be declared a National Public Holiday in honour of the life and service of our late Queen. “Over the coming weeks, Australia will continue to commemorate our late Queen.

You really are a moron.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 7:08 pm

Not sure why Albo chose the Thursday after instead of the Monday of the actual funeral. I mean, the Monday is a WA holiday too apparently, but that could have been worked around.

2dogs
September 11, 2022 7:12 pm

Since this has emerged, I think it is time to once again start playing this.

Maybe we learn the lesson this time. I am not confident, but live in hope.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:15 pm

I see an FSA phone and computer hacking coming on.

Makka
Makka
September 11, 2022 7:21 pm

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Something important is happening in Moscow. Comms are down. Armoured vehicles are blocking the city. Is this a coup? Will the next step be escalation? Or de-escalation?

Mater
September 11, 2022 7:22 pm

And Stuthid doesn’t do the opposite?

BTW, I’ve had a go at Struth, too.

https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/07/23/open-thread-weekend-23-july-2022/comment-page-1/#comment-294009

Even got 65 upticks for it, which must be damned near a record. 😉

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:26 pm

I didn’t think you were defending him, Mater. It’s more that I think Rosie is getting an undeserved roasting.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:27 pm

Makka

If its a coup and punters suspect there’s a peace deal coming markets will be up 10% in a day.

bespoke
bespoke
September 11, 2022 7:28 pm

Mater
Struth thought you came back as a sock a few months age. The glee he showed about your regrets was of the charts.

Mater
September 11, 2022 7:30 pm

I didn’t think you were defending him, Mater. It’s more that I think Rosie is getting an undeserved roasting.

Rosie says:
July 28, 2021 at 2:27 pm
I’ll say again, linking this to covid vaccine is tenuous and frankly if the principle is so important to objectors then they should be willing to pay a price.

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 7:30 pm

JCsays:

September 11, 2022 at 5:44 pm

Rick

People could be pro-jab and anti-mandates. I know I was.

Quite so.
Pro-jab for themselves, I would add.
Not for anyone else.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:32 pm

Makka

The problem is , that was 14 hours ago. Wouldn’t we have heard more by now?

It’s a massive story if true.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 7:32 pm

You really don’t know if he’s making a mistake, you’re attempting to surmise this from various ad hom claims.

Sure, I have no military expertise. I can read a press release though, and the one the Russian Defence Ministry put out didn’t sound good for Team Hammer & Sickle.

Mater
September 11, 2022 7:34 pm

The glee he showed about your regrets was of the charts.

I do regret having to have it. I have absolutely no hesitation in saying that. Did everything I could to avoid it, bar losing my family. Never before have I been FORCED to compromise my principles, not even in the military.

The most disturbing day of my fucking life…and that is truly saying something.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:34 pm

Rosie says:
July 28, 2021 at 2:27 pm
I’ll say again, linking this to covid vaccine is tenuous and frankly if the principle is so important to objectors then they should be willing to pay a price.

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.

My read of that comment (without context) is that it’s a sloppy way of arguing risk vs reward. There’s always risk with meds.

Makka
Makka
September 11, 2022 7:36 pm

If comms are down JC then the news won’t be coming out real time. Fog of war and all that.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:38 pm

Could be an absolutely huge day tomorrow if it’s true and the market suspect there’s a peace deal coming. This could be a 10%er.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:42 pm

Makka says:
September 11, 2022 at 7:36 pm

If comms are down JC then the news won’t be coming out real time. Fog of war and all that.

Yea true. You can test that by calling a russian phone number… like a tv station or even the cops to test if you get an answer.

Mater
September 11, 2022 7:44 pm

My read of that comment (without context) is that it’s a sloppy way of arguing risk vs reward. There’s always risk with meds.

That’s most certainly not the context in which it was used, and frankly, I have trouble twisting it to fit your interpretation.
It was about Government restrictions, benefits, etc on people who did want it.

Rosie wanted out:

Rosie says:
July 25, 2021 at 8:52 am
Well so am I Mater.
I want out, and if a vaxx percentage is the only way for politicians to save face , that will have to do.
I can’t wait until end 2022 elections in Victoria.
With no guarantee anything will change then anyhow.

I understand your defensive instincts, JC, but let’s not re-write history.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:44 pm

Anyone want to try it

+1 208-882-2677
Moscow Police Department, phone

I’m not as I don’t want ASIO on my back. 🙂

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 7:44 pm

Something important is happening in Moscow. Comms are down. Armoured vehicles are blocking the city. Is this a coup? Will the next step be escalation? Or de-escalation?

That smells distinctly like Ukrainian psyop on socials.

Fun times for those guys, but the real fight is elsewhere.

bespoke
bespoke
September 11, 2022 7:46 pm

Yes I know Mater but you made a call based on circumstances. You were not personally responsible for the situation and shouldn’t be made to feel like you did.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 11, 2022 7:47 pm

JC says:
September 11, 2022 at 7:38 pm
Could be an absolutely huge day tomorrow if it’s true and the market suspect there’s a peace deal coming. This could be a 10%er.

Has Dr Jill brokered a deal?

Winston Smith
September 11, 2022 7:47 pm

Lotocoti:

A chest drain coming out certainly smarts,
but yeeting pacing wires is weird beyond words.

Done both, Lotocoti. NBD.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 7:49 pm

There will also be no peace deal during the counter-offensive, have a think about it for a second.

Mater
September 11, 2022 7:49 pm

Yes I know Mater but you made a call based on circumstances. You were not personally responsible for the situation and shouldn’t be made to feel like you did.

Absolutely, hence my response to Struth.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 7:52 pm

Shut up fatboy.

If Makka’s stuff is real that there’s a coup, and the punters suspect there will be a deal, the markets will go fucking crazy tomorrow. Commodities will be down, so this could disguise the real upside for the rest of the market.

bespoke
bespoke
September 11, 2022 7:54 pm

Among those arrested in the operation were two Disney employees, a state corrections officer, several teachers and a deputy police chief from Georgia.

Wow!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2022 7:58 pm

Something important is happening in Moscow. Comms are down. Armoured vehicles are blocking the city. Is this a coup?

I just scanned through a dozen or so feeds I have bookmarked. Nothing. Plenty on the events on the battlefield but nothing about anything untoward happening in Moscow. Which isn’t to say nothing is happening since most of the sites I have on list are battlefield related.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 8:00 pm

There is no coup. Putin’s not going to be taken down so easily. He’s been doing this stuff for half a century, you think he’s going to fall within a week of his first real setback in the war – one which may not even turn out to be a setback, if they manage to pull a fast one? The Russian military is full of his lapdogs due to regular purges, or so I’ve read.

You’re getting excited over the prospect of creative destruction because spivs like you love to make blood money on speculatory war-related assets at times like this. How about you stick to trading pork bellies and airports.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:01 pm

LOl
Just realized as it looked like a US number.
That number above is Moscow in the US. There’s a freaking US town called Moscow.

This is the Moscow (Russia) cops phone number. 495 667-72-14

Rabz
September 11, 2022 8:03 pm

the meathead doesn’t even know his position is subversively authoritarian

JC – there’s nothing “subversive” about St Ruth’s opinions.

A “meathead” and “authoritarian” he undoubtedly is.

But hey, not all of us are truck drivers from Queensland.

Baba
Baba
September 11, 2022 8:04 pm
JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:04 pm

Monster

Call the number and see if it works. Ask for an English speaker and tell him Rasputin is a scumbag. Find out if comms are down.

Be useful for once in your fat miserable life.

caveman
caveman
September 11, 2022 8:05 pm

It’s Moscow day according to some tweets.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 11, 2022 8:05 pm

JCsays:
September 11, 2022 at 7:38 pm
Could be an absolutely huge day tomorrow if it’s true and the market suspect there’s a peace deal coming. This could be a 10%er.

Hope you managed to close out those short trades you had open when you went in to hospital.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:10 pm

You’re getting excited over the prospect of creative destruction because spivs like you love to make blood money

Let me get this right. If Makka’s tweet link is right, the markets suspect this means peace, and I climb aboard (there’s no time you fat head as it’s Sunday evening), I’m making blood money? You’re a disgrace to the human race, Fatboy.

Call the Moscow cops and STFU. Now!

Rabz
September 11, 2022 8:13 pm

Rasputin and St Ruth

Seriously, the gall of the latter blundering on here abusing all and sundry as a bunch of sell outs.

I’m not having it.

Remember, truck boy, “a personage is generally what he perceives himself to be”.

Which in your case would be a silly midget angrily pumping his li’l fists at the world. When not shouting at clouds or vainly attempting to clobber possums with a spade.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:15 pm

Hope you managed to close out those short trades you had open when you went in to hospital.

I did, Tim. I closed the crap on Friday, but it was small. I had to close up because I was in hospital and thought I would be operated that night. I actually hate being short and keep shorts on for very short periods.

rosie
rosie
September 11, 2022 8:16 pm

The only person who knows what I thought was me.
I don’t recall the context to the pay the price comment.

Though I’m certain it reflects my general view that in holding something as a principle implies that you are prepared to defend it, even if there is a cost to you. Like being a conscientious objector against war in the face of conscription or a teacher who refuses to call a boy a girl, or even as perhaps trivial as refusing to participate in halal certified products means you can’t buy a product you like.
Why is that even controversial?

That in no way suggests that I supported a vaccine mandate, or that I thought people who refused to comply deserved to lose their jobs.
As for the vaccine percentage comment so what? Unless you are continuing to pretend the words mandate and percentage are interchangeable and pretending I said and believed something I didn’t.
And it is sadly looking like my thoughts about Andrews getting back in were correct.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:19 pm

Folks, I just sent the tweet Makka copied and pasted to a pal in London. He knows of this twitter account.
My pal reckons she doesn’t run her mouth off.

DaFisk
DaFisk
September 11, 2022 8:21 pm

You’re getting excited over the prospect of creative destruction because spivs like you love to make blood money

m0nster, JC is speculating on a peace deal jacking up the markets, literally the opposite of blood money!

bespoke
bespoke
September 11, 2022 8:22 pm

Rabz

Early submission.
Slice of heaven.

Loved the movie and song.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:23 pm
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 11, 2022 8:31 pm

I thought you were short JC. I suppose its relative. On the scale of muntys, how short are you? I’m upset as I’m nearly as short as the runt in our family now. He does wear high shoes so its hard to tell. Starting to shrink.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:36 pm

Ranga

I’m square since Friday night.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:37 pm

Oh, short as in small scale? Yea, I’m a dwarf.

bespoke
bespoke
September 11, 2022 8:39 pm

Being hight challenged is calli’s thing. Let’s not take her uniqueness away from her.
Little people deserve respect.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2022 8:41 pm

Scanning through today’s activities.

As Dot would say, donda energy on the blog.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2022 8:44 pm

Gez at 12.44:

A lot of purple Freflogs floating around the city waiting on flights back to Sandland.
Engaged one bloke in conversation and played him along until I let it out that I was a Pies man.
Good times.

Outstanding times. There was chat on various social media entities for about four months on the subject of ‘Flagmantle’, and which abruptly ended last night.

Flagmantle. Fucking kidding yourselves.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 8:45 pm

Oh, short as in small scale? Yea, I’m a dwarf.

Can confirm.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
September 11, 2022 8:47 pm

I’m calling it.

Shock, horror, Pirate Pete is massively wrong.

The monarchy survives the death of QEII.

But then again, I knew that when Pirate Pete proclaimed otherwise.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 8:47 pm

m0nster, JC is speculating on a peace deal jacking up the markets, literally the opposite of blood money!

No, he would short as he would make more money betting that any peace deal would fall through.

But there will be no deal to begin with.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 8:48 pm

Not until the Ukrainians maximise their gains, anyway.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2022 8:49 pm

m0ntysays:
September 11, 2022 at 8:45 pm
Oh, short as in small scale? Yea, I’m a dwarf.

Can confirm.

Is JC shorter than your abdominal circumference?

Curious minds.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:50 pm

Fatboy, I’m tall enough not to have a small man’s complex. You’re fat.

You’re lying whereas I’m truthful.

Cardimona
Cardimona
September 11, 2022 8:50 pm

Calling Bruce of Newcastle!

Bruce, a mate of mine (since 1972!) does a weekly broadcast on FNQ community radio, in which he debunks lefty psy-ops.
He often gets me on as a guest to explain climate and energy issues in simple terms that the great unwashed can understand.
He’s planning a show discussing the shortage of LPG-based fertilisers and has asked me to be guest expert.
My problem is I’m not real strong on the LPG to fertiliser process.
And I’m short of time in the next few days to study up.

So, here’s my questions.
Would you be prepared to be his guest expert?
Or failing that, could you home-school me up to speed?
Or failing that, could you dump some facts on me?

Cheers
Cardi

DaFisk
DaFisk
September 11, 2022 8:53 pm

No, he would short as he would make more money betting that any peace deal would fall through.

Hahaha I bet he would too!

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 8:53 pm

JC, you will always be older than me. Until you die and I pass you.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:54 pm

You failed economics, Fatboy, so let me explain how markets work.

If there was a coup in Russia and the market caught a whiff that the new dude was a peacenik who would try to make a deal, the market would go much higher just on perceptions. Markets are intuitive. Call Moscow cops now.

Rabz
September 11, 2022 8:54 pm

Doves – there is always something happening in Moscow.

Those many, many grate pronouncements of Karl Marx don’t read themselves.

Rabz
September 11, 2022 8:56 pm

You failed economics

Thank bloody goodness. The last thing this planet needs is yet another (alleged) economist who is wrong about everything, all the time, yet again.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:58 pm

Rabz

He failed Monash economics.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 11, 2022 8:59 pm

The Daily Express:

Ukraine LIVE: Putin ordered to resign as Kremlin rebellion surges after major army retreat

Lawmakers from a municipal council in the capital’s Lomonovsky’s district published an open letter on their website in which they accused the Russian President of returning the country to the Cold War era.

Perhaps evidence of wider disquiet as things fuck up, but this appears to be the equivalent of the Sydney City Council ‘ordering’ Albanese to resign for being crap.

A few defenestrations are in order…

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 8:59 pm

If there was a coup, does anyone really think the new dude would be a peacenik?

Why wouldn’t that be possible?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 9:02 pm

The Albanian couldn’t wait a day to mourn, right?

Umm, how about the Sunday 17th before the funeral.

Winston Smith
September 11, 2022 9:07 pm

DoverBeach:

Not seeing any talk about anything happening in Moscow on my Telegram or Twitter.

Live cam of Red Square shows a bloke in a coat and a tricorn hat pestering sheilas.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 9:08 pm

If there was a coup, does anyone really think the new dude would be a peacenik?

He/she/ze may not necessarily be a peacenik.
They could adopt a strong defensive stance (similar to Trump’s position for the US) as distinct from an aggressive expansionary stance (eg Putin and every Democrat President since forever).

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 11, 2022 9:12 pm

Perhaps evidence of wider disquiet as things fuck up, but this appears to be the equivalent of the Sydney City Council ‘ordering’ Albanese to resign for being crap.

Up to a point Dr F.
I don’t think an SC Councillor who sounded off about a Federal Labor policy would be worried that Rub and Tug Man might have them executed or imprisoned indefinitely without trial, but if a bunch of garbage collection supervisors in Russia really think they can get away with saying things like that about Putin, that suggests that either the wheels are falling off badly for Putin or that the parking fine impresarios have miscalculated very badly.

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2022 9:14 pm

“If there was a coup, does anyone really think the new dude would be a peacenik?

Why wouldn’t that be possible?”

I suppose there’s a first time in Russian history for such a possibility, but I wouldn’t count on it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 11, 2022 9:14 pm

Daily Mail

Windows are smashed in at fish and chip shop where owner stood and celebrated Queen’s death with Champagne shouting ‘Lizard Liz is dead’ after furious mob pelt it with eggs

Jaki’s Fish and Chip Shop windows smashed in after owner’s controversial video
Owner Jaki Pickett who runs the shop in Muir of Ord, Scotland, was slammed
Follows vandalism on Thursday evening when mob threw eggs and ketchup
The anti-monarchist held up a chalkboard which read ‘London Bridge has fallen’

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 9:15 pm

It’s possible but I wouldn’t bet on it. It’s more likely a coup brings in someone that shifts from SMO to war and mobilization.

What’s SMO?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2022 9:15 pm

Mater at 5.20:

Sounds like a cross-section of our entire society (especially MBA grads), but please don’t make the assumption that all ex-military are either trained or experienced in administration and leadership.

I read this morning that Usman Khawaja is ‘studying’ for one of them. He reckons it will take him 18 months. Not being a tertiary education expert, but that strike me as being a bit skinny unless there’s some other stuff he could leverage off to reduce the time spent.

I know a few people with MBAs, and all bar one of them I consider useless in society.

the military did provide me with some transferable skills

My experience (which I consider to be inconsequential compared to some here) as well. Very occasionally I encounter a plonker who believes his former rank travels with him into the civvy workforce. Those people are tremendous value to take the piss out of.

As has been said – dependent on what the gongs are, the right ones can open doors. I believe the Conspicuous Service Cross (and similar, awarded to housecats) is good for public service jobs post-military career, and I would imagine you could – within reason – name your job and price if there was a VC in your glovebox.

but there are an awful lot of canutes in the workforce who’ve never served, too.

Preach it.

Oh come on
Oh come on
September 11, 2022 9:18 pm

It would be extremely surprising if there was a coup in Russia. It’s likely true that Putin wouldn’t survive a comprehensive defeat in Ukraine, but what happened here is far from that. It looks like the Russians experienced a setback; I suspect it’ll be short-lived, but we’ll find out soon enough. Fact is that Putin has plenty of cards left to play. Only a small fraction of the Russian military is engaged in the Ukrainian invasion, for starters. Talk of coups and imminent peace deals and whatnot seems premature and, frankly, smacks of wishful thinking.

The Russians aren’t playing around. Isn’t that obvious by now? They don’t strike me as possessing such fickle intent that they would turn tail and run for their frontiers as a consequence of a single withdrawal.

bespoke
bespoke
September 11, 2022 9:18 pm

Windows are smashed in at fish and chip shop

Idiot losers just looking for the an excuse. Nothing to do with respecting the Queen

Oh come on
Oh come on
September 11, 2022 9:19 pm

Yes, Putin is a moderate. Check out Russian liberals. An interesting bunch.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 11, 2022 9:20 pm

JCsays:
September 11, 2022 at 6:45 pm
[The timing was explained as Sleazy and the GG are flying to the funeral and will not arrive home until Wed evening. As they are the chief mourners the day of mourning is the first available day after their return.]

The Albanian couldn’t wait a day to mourn, right?

Politics. Friday was already a public holiday in Victoria for the Grand Final parade. Declaring a nationwide public holiday to mourn the Queen on that day would wedge the AFL as to whether to cancel the parade or be seen cavorting around celebrating on a supposedly solemn day. Yes, the wokesters at the AFL no doubt couldn’t care less, but they’d be sensible enough to realise that a substantial proportion of their fan base are still pretty traditionalist.
Remember the AFL is big money and a reliable cheer squad for every woke issue going round. Labor wouldn’t want to create a problem for Gillon McPoloPony and his cronies.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 9:21 pm

KD

I recall reading US logistics firms like FedEx and UPS etc… basically transportation.. recruited heavily from the military because the Military is one huge logistics operation.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 9:25 pm

Good point Tim.

There’s one thing though. The game is played on Saturday. Also if the funeral is on Monday the 19th, then why not make mourning day Sunday 18th. Mourning after a funeral just doesn’t sound right.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2022 9:26 pm

JCsays:
September 11, 2022 at 8:58 pm
Rabz

He failed Monash economics.

Couldn’t accurately add 2 and 2?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2022 9:28 pm

US logistics firms like FedEx and UPS etc… basically transportation.. recruited heavily from the military because the Military is one huge logistics operation

Potentially JC.

Being generous, it wouldn’t necessarily mean they solely recruit logistics people from the military (ie, blanket-counters) but people with demonstrated time management skills where the clock is ticking, resilience, reliability, really solid work ethics, punctuality, working in small teams rah rah etc etc.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2022 9:28 pm

Cardimona – I’ve never spoken on such a gig, so doubt it would go well. I’m spectacularly bad at public speaking. I’m a geek.

The fertilizer issue is this. Natural gas (not LPG) is mainly methane. Methane (CH4) is used to make ammonia (NH3). That is done by converting the methane to hydrogen (H2) then reacting the hydrogen with nitrogen (N2) by heat and pressure over a catalyst to produce the ammonia.

Haber Process (making the ammonia)

Steam Reforming (making the hydrogen from methane)

The latter is the problem. Methane (ie nat gas) is humongously expensive right now. So the producers of ammonia cannot afford to buy the gas to make it. Nor can the farmers afford to buy the ammonia at the price it requires, nor the alternatives made from it like ammonium sulfate or urea (NH2CONH2).

The reason no one can afford to make and sell ammonia is because of renewable energy.

Renewable energy has to have gas to be burned in inefficient gas turbine generators to make up for the intermittency of the renewable energy sources. Whenever the wind drops gas has to be burned to produce energy from an open cycle gas turbine (OCGT). They have a low efficiency (about 30%) but are very fast response, so they can fill the gaps in wind gusts as wind turbines vary production (customers require steady electricity production, or there will be blackouts if there isn’t enough).

Consequently the renewable energy silliness is impacting upon agriculture because it rips gas away from making ammonia for fertilizer. And makes it ridiculously expensive so farmers can’t afford to buy it. And greenies won’t let us explore or produce more of it without lawfare.

That’s the problem.

(I won’t get into the N2O problem that is affecting N fert usage, as it is another issue. So far only getting serious in Holland and Canada, but not here yet.)

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2022 9:29 pm

“The Russians aren’t playing around. Isn’t that obvious by now? They don’t strike me as possessing such fickle intent that they would turn tail and run for their frontiers as a consequence of a single withdrawal.”

Indeed….I somehow doubt that Putin will do what Biden did in Afghanistan in August 2021.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2022 9:30 pm

Cardi – You’re also welcome to get my email from Dover if you wish to carry on discussion off line.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2022 9:34 pm

On the plus side I worked at QNI couple decades ago, which had a reformer and an ammonia plant, so I do have FNQ cred. Admittedly they used naphtha not methane, but they really really wanted someone to build a gas pipeline to Townsville. Dunno whether that ever happened.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 9:36 pm

Being generous, it wouldn’t necessarily mean they solely recruit logistics people from the military (ie, blanket-counters) but people with demonstrated time management skills where the clock is ticking, resilience, reliability, really solid work ethics, punctuality, working in small teams rah rah etc etc.

Yes. The piece I read sounded like they were recruiting those sorts of high level guys. I wasn’t really talking about grunts.
It was in the 90s when I guess it a great time for those firms to hire from the military. After the Cold War and the US military was shedding while the internet boom was starting up and FedEx, UPS etc were taking off. A virtuous circle.

Cardimona
Cardimona
September 11, 2022 9:38 pm

Thank you, Bruce, much appreciated!
My strength is speaking out in public, so it’s very important I have have good facts men in the background.
I’ll drop Dover a line.

Cardi

cohenite
September 11, 2022 9:39 pm

I’ll stick with gold and long on nuclear; accumulate coal and gas.

In the meantime, Villeneuve’s 2021 Dune part 1 is pretty damn good.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 9:41 pm

The Ukraine psyops team must be working on a really good Downfall parody video of Putin talking to his generals right now.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
September 11, 2022 9:42 pm

I know a few people with MBAs, and all bar one of them I consider useless in society.

I don’t have one because the only point would be to prove to others I could do it.

But I already know I could. I have strong theoretical knowledge, which is largely useless. All the theory in the world don’t matter shit if those that matter think you failed.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 9:43 pm

There has been rumours of Russian mobilisation – i.e. conscription – but that would be a rather desperate move, and everyone would know it.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
September 11, 2022 9:44 pm

On my evening walk’: San Francisco resident videos homeless drug addicts brawling on sidewalk as he demands officials take action

Videos and pics

Franx
Franx
September 11, 2022 9:45 pm

Clearly, the trial verdict got it wrong. And of course the HCA analysed the trial evidence. Yet in so doing the HCA determined that it was a failure on the part of the VSCA majority to correctly INTERPRET that very same evidence. (There was no new evidence, although the DPP tried but was disallowed from inveigling new and ‘specious’ slants to evidence.) For, had the VSCA majority interpreted the actual trial evidence according to realities, the VSCA majority would have found that the evidence in the allegations was a matter of compounding improbabilities, and worse, fabrications. Thus what became intensely unjust beyond the trial – but which was remedied by the HCA – was the VSCA majority’s failure to actually and methodically analyse the evidence so as to duly arrive at an acquittal. It was in these regards and specifically in relation to the VSCA decision that the HCA ordered that:
the VSCA order be set aside;
that the VSCA order be replaced with a quashing of convictions – convictions wrongly upheld by the VSCA;
and ordered that the VSCA order be replaced with a judgement of acquittal.

Still and all, not being a lawyer, I would bow to superior knowledge.

Which is not to say that I do not suspect that Sancho is being gleefully impish and supported in trying to conjure up a straw man where none exists: for, simply, the allegations were false and Cardinal Pell was wrongly convicted but ultimately justly exonerated.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2022 9:48 pm

Field Marshal Monty is fully on top of the battle, I see.

(Had to say that as the 80th anniversary of El Alamein is next month.)

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 9:50 pm

m0nty says:
September 11, 2022 at 9:43 pm

There has been rumours of Russian mobilisation – i.e. conscription – but that would be a rather desperate move, and everyone would know it.

They use conscripts as far as I understand it. You need to stop gulping down massive numbers of donuts as it’s turning you into a complete idiot.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 11, 2022 9:53 pm

JCsays:
September 11, 2022 at 9:25 pm
Good point Tim.

There’s one thing though. The game is played on Saturday. Also if the funeral is on Monday the 19th, then why not make mourning day Sunday 18th. Mourning after a funeral just doesn’t sound right.

Yes, making the mourning day Friday wouldn’t interfere with the game itself but even Friday’s carryings on are a circus maximus and the AFL wouldn’t take kindly to interference.
I agree about the date. But Rub and Tug Man is going to the UK for the funeral, and wants to have an official mourning day when he’s in the country so he can LARP as a national statesman. Presumably it was thought that da bruvvas would like a day off on full pay (so weekends are out), it would be too disruptive to suddenly announce it for a day this week, he doesn’t want it to happen while he’s out of the country, and Friday 23rd would inconvenience a reliable ALP ally in the AFL. So Thursday 22nd fits his agenda.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 11, 2022 9:55 pm

Had to say that as the 80th anniversary of El Alamein is next month.)

My great uncle was a veteran of that battle – his battalion suffered heavy losses at First Alamein, and was reinforced just in time to suffer heavy losses at Second Alamein….

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 9:56 pm

Dover

I’ve read that about 30% of the Russian force is conscripted and I think I also read they have a draft twice a year.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 9:59 pm

It’s not 30%, but about 25% conscripted.

The Russian armed forces are a force-in-being going through a transition from a mass army to an all-volunteer force. Currently, about a quarter of the military is conscripted, and approximately 45 percent is contracted. Indeed, about 70 percent are enlisted soldiers.

What’s contracted mean? They hire dudes from the former Soviet Union republics?

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 9:59 pm

Putin can’t bring in conscription for anything less than a war. He has painted himself into a corner with his weasel words.

Russian citizen opinion still counts for something. They have been lied to and they won’t like it.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 10:06 pm

Huh

Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s excuse for trying to back out of his $44 billion deal to buy Twitter—too many bots, he says—is gaining steam. First, it was the Twitter whistleblower’s claims. Then, on Wednesday, Musk received an assist from former Disney CEO Bob Iger, who had wanted to buy Twitter for the House of Mouse years ago but ultimately didn’t. Iger’s revelation: Bots made up “substantial portion” Twitter’s users.

In an interview at the Code Conference, Iger went into detail on why he decided to back out of the potential acquisition in 2016. Many points he touched on were not new. At that time, Disney was looking for a distribution platform to get into streaming, and Twitter seemed like a great fit. However, the level of “nastiness” on Twitter did not mesh well with the entertainment company’s squeaky-clean brand, and acquiring it seemed like more trouble than it was worth.

Iger dropped a new nugget of information he hadn’t spoken about before, one that quickly caught the attention of the richest man in the world: bots.

“Interestingly enough, because I read the news these days, we did look very carefully at all of the Twitter users—I guess they’re called users?—and we at that point estimated with some of Twitter’s help that a substantial portion, not a majority, were not real,” Iger explained. “I don’t remember the number, but we discounted the value heavily. But that was built into our economics. Actually, the deal that we had was pretty cheap.”

MatrixTransform
September 11, 2022 10:11 pm

I think Rosie is getting an undeserved roasting.

oh … maybe the butter will melt in her mouth then

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2022 10:12 pm

My great uncle was a veteran of that battle

9th Division AIF.
They did good. Very good.
So did Monty.
Their Monty not our Monty.

Chapter 14 – Launching the Battle
Chapter 15 – The Dog Fight

Those are the AWM official AIF history covering 2nd Alamein and the 9th Div in it. A fine read.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 10:14 pm

Queen Elizabeth II’s funeral procession

WTF?

Oh come on
Oh come on
September 11, 2022 10:14 pm

There has been rumours of Russian mobilisation – i.e. conscription – but that would be a rather desperate move, and everyone would know it.

m0nty’s arse cheeks are a’wobblin’ again. Intolerable. A generous spritz of Glen 20 is required. Hell, I’ll take Black and Gold fly spray to mask the stench if nothing else is available. No, don’t light a match! I know it’s the ultimate toilet stink eradicator but not advisable in this instance unless you want to replicate that Lebanon harbour explosion.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2022 10:15 pm

Btw, you can download each chapter as a PDF from the link at the bottom of the pages.
Thanks to the AWM who did good, too.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 11, 2022 10:16 pm

Policies Pushing Electric Vehicles Show Why Few People Want One

They wouldn’t need huge subsidies to sell if they really were a good choice, and consumers know that.

By Bjorn Lomborg

We constantly hear that electric cars are the future—cleaner, cheaper and better. But if they’re so good, why does California need to ban gasoline-powered cars? Why does the world spend $30 billion a year subsidizing electric ones?

In reality, electric cars are only sometimes and somewhat better than the alternatives, they’re often much costlier, and they aren’t necessarily all that much cleaner. Over its lifetime, an electric car does emit less CO2 than a gasoline car, but the difference can range considerably depending on how the electricity is generated. Making batteries for electric cars also requires a massive amount of energy, mostly from burning coal in China. Add it all up and the International Energy Agency estimates that an electric car emits a little less than half as much CO2 as a gasoline-powered one.

The climate effect of our electric-car efforts in the 2020s will be trivial. If every country achieved its stated ambitious electric-vehicle targets by 2030, the world would save 231 million tons of CO2 emissions. Plugging these savings into the standard United Nations Climate Panel model, that comes to a reduction of 0.0002 degree Fahrenheit by the end of the century.

Electric cars’ impact on air pollution isn’t as straightforward as you might think. The vehicles themselves pollute only slightly less than a gasoline car because their massive batteries and consequent weight leads to more particulate pollution from greater wear on brakes, tires and roads. On top of that, the additional electricity they require can throw up large amounts of air pollution depending on how it’s generated. One recent study found that electric cars put out more of the most dangerous particulate air pollution than gasoline-powered cars in 70% of U.S. states. An American Economic Association study found that rather than lowering air pollution, on average each additional electric car in the U.S. causes additional air-pollution damage worth $1,100 over its lifetime.

The minerals required for those batteries also present an ethical problem, as many are mined in areas with dismal human-rights records. Most cobalt, for instance, is dug out in Congo, where child labor is not uncommon, specifically in mining. There are security risks too, given that mineral processing is concentrated in China.

Increased demand for already-prized minerals is likely to drive up the price of electric cars significantly. The International Energy Agency projects that if electric cars became as prevalent as they would have to be for the world to reach net zero by 2050, the annual total demand for lithium for automobile batteries alone that year would be almost 28 times as much as current annual global lithium production. The material prices for batteries this year are more than three times what they were in 2021, and electricity isn’t getting cheaper either.

Even if rising costs weren’t an issue, electric cars wouldn’t be much of a bargain. Proponents argue that though they’re more expensive to purchase, electric cars are cheaper to drive. But a new report from a U.S. Energy Department laboratory found that even in 2025 the agency’s default electric car’s total lifetime cost will be 9% higher than a gasoline car’s, and the study relied on the very generous assumption that electric cars are driven as much as regular ones. In reality, electric cars are driven less than half as much, which means they’re much costlier per mile.

In part this is because electric cars are often a luxury item. Two-thirds of the households in the U.S. that own one have incomes exceeding $100,000 a year. For 9 in 10 of electric-vehicle-owning households, it’s only a second car. They also have a gasoline-powered car—usually a bigger one, such as an SUV, pickup truck or minivan—that they use for long trips, given its longer range. And it takes additional costs to make electric cars convenient—such as installing a charger in your garage. Those who can’t afford it, or who don’t have a garage, will have to spend a lot more time at commercial chargers than it takes to fill up a car with gasoline.

This is all why electric cars still require such massive subsidies to sell. Norway is the only country where most new cars are electric, and that took wiping the sales and registration tax on these vehicles—worth $25,160 a car—on top of other tax breaks such as reduced tolls. Even so, only 12.6% of all Norwegian cars on the road are electric. The country has the wealth to pay for them partly because of its oil revenue, and the trade is dubious: To cut one ton of CO2 emissions through the subsidization of electric cars, Norway has to sell 100 barrels of oil, which emit 40 tons of CO2.

Needless to say, other countries’ car stocks aren’t likely to be anywhere close to 100% electric anytime soon. The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates that barring new legislation only about 17% of all new U.S. cars will be electric by 2050, which translates to 13% of the total American car stock. As consumers continue to vote with their wallets against electric cars, it is hard to imagine places like California continuing to demand that they can purchase only electric ones.

Electric vehicles will take over the market only if innovation makes them actually better and cheaper than gasoline-powered cars. Politicians are spending hundreds of billions of dollars and keeping consumers from the cars they want for virtually no climate benefit.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2022 10:24 pm

OCO – There was an ammonium nitrate detonation in the Z war. Dunno who lit the match. Made a very large red cloud. Maybe a thousand tonnes of it, from the look of the plume.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 10:27 pm

That, I believe, is their proportion for the total armed force, not the RuAF in theatre.

So the proportions don’t carry down to the force fighting in Uke? How do we know?

I think there’s a distinction between enlisted volunteers and those referred to as contracted. Still unsure.

MatrixTransform
September 11, 2022 10:30 pm

Did everything I could to avoid it

same here
you know. … and that’s a nuance lost on near everybody
many in that boat

I did what I had to do
because Im surrounded by retards that are willing to fuck my universe up for pathetic, self interested and fearful reasons

st ruth rants and rages
and every second person gets the shits about it

I never feel it pointed at me
doesn’t matter what he says

in fact, I reckon I know exactly where the man is coming from

makes me laugh every time

the only thing funnier is you mongs and yr confected outrage

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 10:31 pm

Also, re public opinion, we were told sanctions would not only cripple the economy, but turn public opinion against the government. We haven’t seen that. Same holds here.

Sanctions have crippled the economy in sense that they’re unable to imports consumer goods etc. You don’t think that’s causing economic stress? Don’t confuse Russia’s growing trade surplus with them doing well. They can’t import due to sanctions so consumers are suffering.

It’s a dictatorship how could anyone know what the public think.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 11, 2022 10:37 pm

9th Division AIF.
They did good. Very good.
So did Monty.
Their Monty not our Monty.

“Alamein: The Australian Story” by Johnson and Stanley makes the claim that 9th Australian Division constituted the army’s only large and experienced formation capable of taking a full part in the attack. Fourth Indian was not trusted to attack, the New Zealanders and South Africans were under strength, and the Highlanders were too inexperienced. 9th Division comprised just under 10% of Eighth Armies total strength. but suffered more then one in five of the casualties.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
September 11, 2022 10:38 pm

arse cheeks are a’wobblin’

AKA

Twerking

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 10:38 pm

I’m not as I don’t want ASIO on my back. 

Especially not with that 5G CCP transmitter where your appendage used to be.

Oh come on
Oh come on
September 11, 2022 10:38 pm

Ultimately, Russia can transition from its jargonistic ‘Special Military Operation’ and go to war. It has created and propagated this delineation for a reason -it has a next level. We are struggling to contain the repercussions from the SMO. Russia hasn’t really taken the gloves off yet.

Sure we want to go there? Subtract the R from UK, ok…I can see that. Common history and culture and so forth. But Ukraine? Who gives a fuck about Ukraine! Why are they of any importance to the vast majority of the people of the Western world? Do we share even a superficial cultural bond with them that we don’t also share with the Russians? I mean, sure, I’m against people suffering from the consequences of war, and certainly people live in Ukraine and are suffering from the consequences of war. Then again, people live all over the world and they suffer from the consequences of war, and we don’t give a rat’s about them. What’s so special about Ukraine?

Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine. Has the world gone utterly mad? No, they’re taking sides, and they’re not siding with us. I don’t blame them. We have sacrificed everything that makes the West a superior place for the world to do business on the altar of Ukraine. I don’t want to hear one single antiwar cuck crapping on about the disproportionate influence of the Israeli/Zionist lobby in DC – the Ukraine lobby makes the purported sway of the Israeli lobbyists look like rank amateurs.

Remind me again – why are we going to the mat for the dubious virtue of Ukraine?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 10:39 pm

Appendix.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 10:39 pm

I would imagine the Wagner Group mercenaries would be contracted.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 10:44 pm

Remind me again – why are we going to the mat for the dubious virtue of Ukraine?

“We’re” not. US$50/60 billion sounds like a lot, but it’s actually some potatoes in terms of ~US40 trillion combined US /EU GDP.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 10:46 pm

JCsays:

September 11, 2022 at 8:58 pm

Rabz

He failed Monash economics.

Wut?
Is that even possible?

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 10:46 pm

m0nty says:
September 11, 2022 at 10:39 pm

I would imagine the Wagner Group mercenaries would be contracted.

Oh yea, so that Putin’s pal and a way of stealing money by paying the pal.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 10:47 pm

Remind me again – why are we going to the mat for the dubious virtue of Ukraine?

Define “going to the mat”. I don’t see any other Western country’s divisions being airdropped into the war zone.

Are we sending materiel and sharing intelligence? Sure. Are we getting value for money? Seems like yes, especially lately.

We couldn’t stand by and let Russia start reconstituting the Soviet Union through military conquest. It’s not as if Putin was being subtle about it, he told us up front.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
September 11, 2022 10:50 pm

US$50/60 billion sounds like a lot, but it’s actually some potatoes

Most if this will be going to defence and other contractors and the rest as bribes and grifts between US and Ukrainian politicians. It is about $50/60 billion too much.

m0nty
m0nty
September 11, 2022 10:51 pm

Also, it seems a bit weird to be whining at this precise moment about why we are supporting Ukraine, right in the middle of a counter-offensive that may win them the war. Are you actually tired of winning?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 10:52 pm

Very occasionally I encounter a plonker who believes his former rank travels with him into the civvy workforce.

This is the category I put Mr. Bosi into.
Who the fuck calls themselves Lt Col twenty years after pulling the pin?

Those people are tremendous value to take the piss out of.

And that is why I do with Mr. Bosi.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 10:52 pm

Most if this will be going to defence and other contractors and the rest as bribes and grifts between US and Ukrainian politicians. It is about $50/60 billion too much.

It’s a bonanza for the Hiden family. 🙂

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 11, 2022 10:53 pm

Understanding Planning, Orders and Troop Movements in Ukraine

PATTON, the movie, was a masterpiece of entertainment. It is not historically accurate on many points and that is a problem with respect to Ukraine. What? I suspect some of you believe I have really crossed over to crazy land, but hear me out. Remember that scene when the Germans launched the Battle of the Bulge in December 1944 and Patton saved the day by “immediately” diverting his Army 90 degrees to head north and rescue the beleaguered paratroopers of the 101st and 82nd airborne regiments (note, the paratroopers insisted they did not need to be rescued, but that’s another story for another day)?

That cinema account of how Patton planned and shifted the axis of attack of his troops is presented as something hastily put together. The German offensive started on 16 December and Patton met with Eisenhower on the 19th of December and received orders to relieve Bastogne. Patton’s troops moved out on the 22nd of December and reached Bastogne on the 26th. What the movie account fails to convey is that the planning for moving his Army north began on December 9, ten days before the emergency conference with Eisenhower.

Patton’s J-2 (i.e., his intel chief) briefed the following on 9 December:

By the end of October four panzer divisions had been identified refitting near Paderborn, far north of the Third Army’s left boundary.

By November 10 the Germans had pulled five more panzer divisions out of the line.
Of the fifteen panzer divisions in the west, only five remained in contact in mid-November.

Starting November 17, aerial reconnaissance detected huge German rail movements to the north of the Third Army’s projected zone of advance—226 trains on November 18 alone.

By November 23 Koch had identified the newly established Sixth Panzer Army, including five of its reconstituted panzer divisions.

On December 2 the U.S. Seventh Army, to the south of Third Army, reported that the formidable Panzer Lehr Division was out of the line.

By December 7 the Germans were holding at least thirteen divisions in reserve.

(I encourage you to read the whole article about the real story of Patton’s rescue effort at the link above.)

So why is this important? The process any first world army (e.g., United States, Russia, Ukraine) follows in moving troops and equipment from one point to a distant location follows a well-defined planning process.

The planning process Patton followed is similar to what the U.S. military uses today. The current system is known as the Joint Operation Planning and Execution System aka JOPES. I have been involved in scripting and executing over 240 crisis response exercises. I worked for 23 years for the man who wrote JOPES, so I have some insight to the process. He beat it into me. It starts with an Alert Order (e.g. Be Prepared to Act) usually followed Warning Order (e.g., Houston we have a specific problem, tell us how you plan to solve it). The military command that receives the warning order immediately tasks it staff to prepare Courses of Action aka COAs.

Those COAs are then sent back via a written message laying out what forces would be used, what resources (i.e., air support, artillery, vehicles, medical, etc.) are required to carry out the COA. The COA for organizing and deploying a Special Operations unit is much easier and less time consuming than that required to organize and deploy battalions and regiments of soldiers.

Once the COA is approved the relevant military units receive a Deployment Order. It means what it says. The military units identified for action start moving via train, truck or plane. Depends on the operation. But they are moving into place and do not initiate action until they commanders receive an Execution Order.

Since the United States and NATO are involved directly with Ukraine’s military planning, I am certain they followed the JOPES process. That means the planning for the Kharkov offensive probably started the first of September, perhaps even earlier, i.e. July or August. Assembling and moving the men and equipment to deployment points took some time. It was not done overnight.

I am not familiar with the Russian planning system, but I am pretty sure the Russians follow a similar procedure to JOPES. It is important to understand this with reference to the offensive taking place around Kharkov. The Russian forces started moving into the area on Thursday, 8 September. And we are talking about hundreds of trucks, tanks, towed artillery and troops.

So, was Russia caught by surprise? No. They had at least one week’s warning of the impending Ukrainian attack. If you want to believe that Russia’s intelligence service is incompetent or was deceived in this operation, enjoy the fantasy. The Russian planners had a couple of choices. They could have moved their forces into position earlier but that would have tipped off the Ukrainians and west that the planned offensive was compromised.

Alternatively, the Russian planners may have decided to mask their movements and made choices about which villages and cities to defend and which to abandon. If Russia had moved preemptively to reinforce Izyum that would have raised warning flags for the Ukrainian and NATO planners.

I agree with Andrei Martyanov’s take–the Russians knew it was coming and chose to let the Ukrainians flood the zone in order to eventually hit the Ukrainian forces with a massive counter attack. The Ukrainians are no longer in fortified defensive positions and their lines of communication to support the forward troops are now defined precisely. The Ukrainian attack has not destroyed nor disrupted Russia’s air, artillery, rocket and missile assets. Attacking the Ukrainian units is an easier task, not more difficult.

I am not privy to the Russian plan. But what I do know is that the planning process required to deploy the troops and equipment moving into Kharkov was not a panicked response. Hollywood can create the illusion of rapid movement of military troops, but the real world requires alerting units, making sure they are properly supplied and then undertaking the logistic task of moving those units into combat.

This means the planning was deliberate, not a crisis response.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2022 10:55 pm

Another top banner Doverlord.

cohenite
September 11, 2022 10:55 pm

Plimer on with Jones stating my point: human CO2 is only 3% of the total so why doesn’t the natural 97% cause the warming.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=580875933474906

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 11, 2022 10:59 pm

JCsays:
September 11, 2022 at 10:52 pm
Most if this will be going to defence and other contractors and the rest as bribes and grifts between US and Ukrainian politicians. It is about $50/60 billion too much.

It’s a bonanza for the Hiden family. ?

Slava Raytheon: Zelensky To Headline Conference Of US Defense Companies

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has throughout much of the six-month long Ukraine war been busy rallying support to his side by addressing dozens of Western countries’ parliaments, for which Ukraine has since been rewarded with billions of dollars in foreign defense and humanitarian aid.

His foremost theme has been a constant refrain of his military urgently needing more, more and more weapons. He’s even requested advanced fighter jets, months ago asking Congress to “close the skies” (or in essence a No Fly Zone).

Now for the first time it seems he’ll go straight to the source, as he’s set to be the keynote speaker, via video link, to a major meeting of American defense contractors later this month. The Hill is confirming that “he headlines the annual Future Force Capabilities Conference and Exhibition hosted by the National Defense Industrial Association (NDIA)” in Austin, Texas on September 21.

Ukraine’s defense minister Oleksii Reznikov is also scheduled to address the conference. Naturally, both are expected to emphasize a message that more and heavier arms are needed if Ukrainian forces hope to sustain their eastern and southern counteroffensive, which in the last days has been widely reported as successful – at least so far.

News of the Ukrainian president’s speech to the NDIA — whose membership includes defense industry giants like Raytheon Technologies, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics — comes as Kyiv looks to fend off Russia’s invasion as it drags through its sixth month.

Eight defense contractors — including Raytheon, Lockheed and General Dynamics — attended a meeting at the Pentagon in April to discuss how the U.S. could speed up production to help Ukraine fend off Moscow’s war.

The U.S. has committed $15.2 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the beginning of the Biden administration, including $14.5 billion since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24.

A number of independent observers are noting just how obviously this brings to the fore one of the key motives of US hawks, especially officials tied closely to the military-industrial complex, who have shown no interest in pushing both warring sides to the negotiating table. In fact, evidence has recently emerged strongly pointing to Washington and London playing the role of behind-the-scenes saboteurs to prior ceasefire talks.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
September 11, 2022 11:03 pm

Another top banner Doverlord.

Not a supporter of the ‘no planes’ theory?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2022 11:05 pm

Just had a conversation with the son and heir, who incidentally turns 18 tomorrow in a spectacular display of Reaper-cheating to date.

He met his relatively new misso’s parents over the weekend. They are the exact nuffies justifiably subject to pisstaking here and elsewhere. For example – they really, actually believe that:

1. The Pyramids are not real, because you can’t build stuff that big on sand;
2. The real reason you can’t climb Ayers Rock is because it is a missile launch site;
3. You are not allowed around the back of Ayers Rock because (get this) you will encounter the Chinese underground military base there, along with thousands of its troops;
4. Chemtrails are real, and used to pacify the population via mind control; and the timeless
5. Elites in the NT have regular child rape parties in one of the local Hells Angels clubhouses, and yes they have red shoes to identify each other.

I said to him, ‘You should go along with it.’ He said ‘I do. Now they think I’m one of them!’

Glorious. My role as a parent is complete.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 11:06 pm

They can’t import consumer goods from BRICS?

They don’t need more hookers as they already have theirs which they export. China is making them pay huge. Both on the import and export said.

Of course, their economy is under stress, but probably less then European countries.

Who cares, the US isn’t stressed.

Oh come on
Oh come on
September 11, 2022 11:08 pm

“We’re” not. US$50/60 billion sounds like a lot, but it’s actually some potatoes in terms of ~US40 trillion combined US /EU GDP.

What happened to Greece after 2008 is coming for the entire Eurozone. Why? Because they cut off their supply of cheap energy and they genuinely believe renewballs are going to fill the void. The EU is going to be an economic backwater within a decade. The US will also be hit, but not as badly.

Also, it seems a bit weird to be whining at this precise moment about why we are supporting Ukraine

More cheek wobbling. I have said, from the start, that this war in Ukraine is not our business, you gaseous clown. But keep carrying water for your neocon masters over at the ‘Institute of War’, you utterly oblivious moron.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
September 11, 2022 11:08 pm

Slice of heaven.

I’m a sucker for the comic series, and have many….many books of the collected ‘toons.
Thanks for posting the song!

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 11:09 pm

KD

Does Stuthid have a daughter? Do you know?

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 11:14 pm

OCO

No, it won’t be a Greek like collapse. Greece collapsed because it was running it’s economy completely out of kilter compared to the rest. This time they’re all equally dicked in the sense that they’re all being hit with the same thing. It’s going to be significant stagflation.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 11:14 pm

JC at 10:06.
Re Twatter fudging it’s user account numbers.
I’ll say up front I don’t quite get how Twatter’s advertising model works.
But the dud accounts are being called bots. Which are not the same as dormant accounts which are created and have no activity (like those KRudd acquired to pump his tyres up).
As I understand it, a bot account generates activity which replicates the activity you might expect to see on a real account.
Is it just possible the bright young things within Twatter (who are on revenue bonuses) might have been creating bots to specifically generate activity which would result in Toyota, Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, however copping advertising bills for fictitious activity?
If so, the clawbacks of ad revenue will make the VW emissions payout look like loose change.

MatrixTransform
September 11, 2022 11:14 pm

I said to him, ‘You should go along with it.’

you will be assimilated

and your (imminent) grand-children will be Borg too

ps. where I come from its a badge of honour to be a great-grand-parent before you’re 50

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 11:17 pm

If so, the clawbacks of ad revenue will make the VW emissions payout look like loose change.

Does that mean advertisers wanting their money back in proportion?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 11:17 pm

[Let’s not talk about people’s kids.]

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 11:18 pm

Lol

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2022 11:18 pm

Does Stuthid have a daughter?

Dunno JC. The young bloke’s misso is a nice kid. A bit ditzy, but without the nuffiness gene clearly embedded in her parents.

She recently (in the last month or so) rented a two-bedroom unit with her sister, because they both work and their idiot parents sold their block in the Darwin rural area to live in a shipping container in scrub almost 100km away – because they are prepping for the invasion.

They’re doing this with two other couples, apparently.

Oh come on
Oh come on
September 11, 2022 11:19 pm

No, it won’t be a Greek like collapse.

You’re being too literal. I’m saying the destination will be much the same. The means to which the destination is arrived at is not of great significance.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 11:25 pm

Does that mean advertisers wanting their money back in proportion?

Well, yes.
I thought the advertising algorithms were smart enough to detect the sort of billable activity which constitutes a “customer contact”.
I was thinking dormant accounts wouldn’t matter to advertisers because they just sit there not generating any activity which would trigger ad revenue.
But if they weren’t dormant accounts but actually bot accounts designed specifically to generate the sort of tweets (more likely re-tweets) which would generate ad revenue, that would be huge clawback of overpaid advertising.
Not to mention go-to-jail do-not-pass-Go! for Twatter employees involved.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 11:30 pm

their idiot parents sold their block in the Darwin rural area to live in a shipping container in scrub almost 100km away – because they are prepping for the invasion.

That’s stuphid. It’s him.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 11, 2022 11:31 pm

They’re doing this with two other couples, apparently.

And this is where the generally laughable Daily Exposé bullshit has a sharp edge.
This will be being replicated in hundreds, even thousands of places around the world.
Quite apart from totally ruining the lives of kids caught up in it, one or two will ultimately end in a Branch Davidian goes to Jonestown kinda fuck-up.

rickw
rickw
September 11, 2022 11:37 pm

Queen Elizabeth II’s funeral procession
WTF?

One shouldn’t ask as to how one ends up with a goat as a regimental mascot!

Looks like it’s been washed and blow dried to FFS.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 11:54 pm

Wonder how the markets would take that?

Probably no change to where we are now.

By the way. Russia is spending 20% of its GDP on the war.I didn’t mention this earlier.

Look, things can change, but Russia appears to be fucked.

As a trader I strictly don’t give a shit which way the market goes as long as I can predict it. I don’t care.

JC
JC
September 11, 2022 11:57 pm

Lastly, I don’t believe that tweet. You can’t defeat Russia without Russia going full nuke retard.

rickw
rickw
September 12, 2022 12:02 am

Australian Mongs are world famous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gTKeDGw3Pg

calli
calli
September 12, 2022 1:04 am

In defence of rosie.

I have always viewed her comments as offering an alternative point of view in the barrage of similar and often bizarre claims. I have not always agreed with her, sometimes quite the opposite.

As some of you know I was a very late, and very unwilling jabbee. My objections were primarily the use of foetal lines in AZ, the terrible side effects that family members (particularly my father, but also daughter and son in law) experienced, and also the despicable and coercive nature of the mandates. When I finally received the jab at my worried husband’s request, and had the temerity to admit the same, I was subjected to an avalanche of shyte of the most disgusting nature. The amusing thing though was that it was all from Grigsocks! Enough about me.

Rosie has been on the receiving end of two hears of unmitigated crap. All because she thinks differently to the majority of commenters here. She has also been up hill and down dale in very difficult circumstances (thanks Dan and Pony Girl) to care for family members. And when at home she tested the Bat Eared Mong’s edicts every day by going out and trying to be normal. By reporting back to the blog, she got an earful from couch potatoes.

In my opinion, she’s more game than the majority of men commenting here, and while I disagree with her on many…many issues, I admire her for her tenacity.

calli
calli
September 12, 2022 1:06 am

Two “years”.

I blame Croatian bubbly and the view out the window.

calli
calli
September 12, 2022 1:07 am

The only person I can recall from SincCat “promoting” the jab was Sinc himself.

calli
calli
September 12, 2022 1:14 am

The others that my heart went out to were Mater and his children who faced an impossible situation and rickw, who gave up his job, got the jab and was still given the *rse.

There are others, but the list is too long, and some like EvilElvis with his café who no longer comment here.

We have been through, and are still experiencing, a uniquely horrible situation. When I ask the locals here, they say exactly the same thing as the ones on this forum. It is worldwide.

calli
calli
September 12, 2022 1:16 am

The coast is clear.

I’m going to do an Armadillo and thread bomb for five in a row. 😀

calli
calli
September 12, 2022 1:40 am

Last one. Visit Montenegro. It is beautiful.

We went to Kotor, Dubrovnik’s little sister. She isn’t as fancy, but she is lovely.

On the downside, rich Euroweenies have decided to camp there much like the Capets and Bourbons. Perhaps their fate will be the same.

As we dove down the coast, the guide pointed to an island where German tourists liked to sunbathe (amongst other things) au naturel. I had an unappetising picture of corpulent, pale Bavarians lined up on the beach like sausages.

I had mussels and clams for lunch. The snags were off.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 12, 2022 2:34 am

You getting another jab, Cassie?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 12, 2022 2:41 am

Oops, that was directed at calli.

Are you going to do it?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 12, 2022 2:46 am

Rossie the Facebook fact check linker has been useless as tits on a bull from the get go with these jabs.

She has been pathetic.

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