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  1. The following appeared on @Slavyangrad Telegram channel:

    This has just leaked on Russian networks. Keep in mind, that there’s not a single official source reporting this. But it has been picked up by various high-profile figures — get ready for some cocaine delusion, this is a good one:

    Ukraine allegedly handed over its “peace plan” agreed with the United States to Russia — through Erdogan.

    The conditions of Ukraine are as follows:

    1. Withdrawal of Russian troops from all territories occupied by them after 24.02.2022.

    2. Legislative transfer of all gold and foreign exchange reserves and seized assets of the Russian Federation and Russians as of 1.09.2022. The law on reparations must be adopted by the State Duma, and the Federation Council and signed by the President.

    3. Additional payment of reparations of 200 billion euros within 25 years in equal installments.

    4. Free supplies of natural gas to Ukraine for five years from 01.01.2023.

    5. Holding a referendum on the status of Crimea no later than 011.01.24 under the auspices of the UN and international organizations.

    6. Demilitarization of the entire European part of the Russian Federation with the withdrawal of all parts and connections beyond the Urals.

    7. Legislative reduction of the Russian army to 600,000 people.

    8. Admission of military observers to all military facilities of the Russian Federation, including closed research institutes and design offices.

    9. Early elections of the State Duma with the full participation of international observers.

    10. Early presidential elections with the full participation of international observers.

    Within 12 months, with the full implementation of all items, the international community will begin to partially lift the previously imposed sanctions.

    Immediately after the initialing of the agreement, the disconnection of banks from SWIFT, the ban on the sale of Russian coal, oil, and LNG will be lifted, flights will be restored and deliveries of vital medicines and aircraft components will be established.

    At the insistence of the head of the U.S. State Department Blinken, extreme points on “extradition” of the Russian leadership were removed from the “peace plan”.



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  2. The following appeared on @Slavyangrad Telegram channel:

    6. Demilitarization of the entire European part of the Russian Federation with the withdrawal of all parts and connections beyond the Urals.

    7. Legislative reduction of the Russian army to 600,000 people.

    8. Admission of military observers to all military facilities of the Russian Federation, including closed research institutes and design offices.

    9. Early elections of the State Duma with the full participation of international observers.

    So, safe to say, 100% misinformation.


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  3. Free supplies of natural gas to Ukraine for five years

    LoL

    you’re cranky, I get it … we broke all yr shit

    but let’s wait 6 months and see how youse feel then

    TTFN


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  4. Finally put together the Radio Show Archives* – here they are:

    New Year’s Eve Dec 31 2021
    February 2022 – Ozzie Classics
    March 2022 – New Wave 1978-1985
    April 2022 – Disco
    May 2022 – The Sixties
    June 2022 – Seventies Rock and Roll 1969-1978
    July 2022 – Motown and Soul
    August 2022 – Dub, Ska and Reggae
    September 2022 – Live Performances

    Rocktober 2022? Let’s have some suggestions, Cats.

    *googles has been busy burying them – not happy! 🙁


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  5. Brisbane Lions gone

    Quenthlanders. They never, ever fail to disappoint.

    The only upside to this is it will be an all-Victorian Grand Final, just as God intended.


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  6. Dotsays:
    September 16, 2022 at 8:46 pm
    John H

    Finally got on iHerb.

    What do you think about octacosanol/wheat germ oil?

    Know little about octacosanol. Studies suggests it improves athletic performance, might also help with cholesterol management, if it activates the development of brown fat as it does in rodents that will be a good thing. Unfortunately DOT there are very few clinical trials. That’s not uncommon, there is a bias against supplementation. That is strong in the USA, not so much in Europe, and while some doctors say supplements are useless surveys find medical people take supplements at surprisingly high rates.

    I not a great fan of antioxidants. High antioxidant intake can even impede the hormetic effect of exercise. Everyone knows about oxidative stress, few know about reductive stress. Too much hype and the studies haven’t supported the use of exogenous antioxidants but there is support for agents which promotes the body’s own antioxidants.

    My view is that for those over 60 there can be value in judicious supplementation. By way of example, my sister and her husband, mid-70’s, excellent blood work, no medicines, no pathology, very active, and the husband is fitter and stronger than men 20 years younger. They have been taking supplements and carefully managing their health for over 30 years. It can pay off but we have to start at the latest in middle age and maintain the discipline. Too late for me, too long smoking tobacco. No regrets, don’t care, in fact I still enjoy smoking on an occasional basis, typically with the other type of smoking and a few wild turkeys.

    Reductive Stress in Inflammation-Associated Diseases and the Pro-Oxidant Effect of Antioxidant Agents

    I’m not a fan of the above journal DOT but if you go to pubmed and punch in “reductive stress” you’ll find studies pointing to it.

    Here’s something weird I read in a review about antioxidants. Virtually all antioxidants, upon electron donation, become oxidants. Some can be regenerated in the cells through other electron donors. I don’t know the physiological significance of that but given the poor results from many studies on antioxidant administration I’m inclined to think the author might be onto something. The exception though is that for people past 60 there might be benefits because when glutathione and general antioxidant protections decline. That is even more true in conditions that generate oxidation events.

    Wheat germ oil is a rich source of Vit E variants and related tocotrienols.

    Walnuts are also a good source of E and T. BTW if you ever use an E supplement check the label carefully because often they high Alpha T content. Not good, too weak, go for the gamma variant. Stick to the wheat germ oil or walnuts.


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  7. John H.says:
    September 16, 2022 at 9:45 pm
    Dotsays:
    September 16, 2022 at 8:46 pm
    John H

    Finally got on iHerb.

    What do you think about octacosanol/wheat germ oil?

    Know little about octacosanol.

    Tongkat ali is making the rounds. I rate it with SARMs.


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  8. Anyway, “Sliante” to all you hairy mob. Mme Zulu’s specialist is laying out a programme for her recovery, and payday for self funded retirees is over the next three weeks.


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  9. An electric car parked on a street in Manly, on Sydney’s northern beaches, was spotted being charged by a lengthy trail of power cord.

    Given the risk of exploding while charging, if I owned one, I would want to charge it a fair distance from my house as well.


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  10. cohenitesays:
    September 16, 2022 at 9:55 pm
    John H.says:
    September 16, 2022 at 9:45 pm
    Dotsays:
    September 16, 2022 at 8:46 pm
    John H

    Finally got on iHerb.

    What do you think about octacosanol/wheat germ oil?

    Know little about octacosanol.

    Tongkat ali is making the rounds. I rate it with SARMs.cohenitesays:
    September 16, 2022 at 9:55 pm
    John H.says:
    September 16, 2022 at 9:45 pm
    Dotsays:
    September 16, 2022 at 8:46 pm
    John H

    Finally got on iHerb.

    What do you think about octacosanol/wheat germ oil?

    Know little about octacosanol.

    Tongkat ali is making the rounds. I rate it with SARMs.v

    Panax Ginseng gives T a noticeable boost, even in this old fart.

    There is another T booster doing the rounds, I mentioned it some months ago. Many youtube muscle nuts found turkesterone to have a very noticeable effect. Be quick, methinks it will eventually be banned.


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  11. The BBC has boasted that it triggered the removal of a Facebook vaccine injury support group with over 250,000 members. Are the injured no longer even allowed to talk to one another?

    Sod that.

    All my life I’ve been one of the privileged. Blessed with pale skin, blue eyes, blonde hair, a middle leg and all the sundry associated benefits.

    Until I wasn’t.

    To paraphrase Jamie Lannister: “I’d never given a shit about the downtrodden, until I suddenly found myself decreed to be one of them.”

    Those braying the decreeing are existing on borrowed time.

    To paraphrase KD, “Trust me on this”. 🙂


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  12. An electric car parked on a street in Manly, on Sydney’s northern beaches, was spotted being charged by a lengthy trail of power cord.

    Don’t have a link, but apparently there’s been one monumental punchup, in Manly, when someone found his neighbor had plugged an extension cord into an external power point, on his property , to charge said neighbors electric car….


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  13. Going over tor Martha’s in an hour or so – will be on the lookout.

    BTW, in Boston we went to a nearby store on the way home. It was a predominantly black area, and very down and out. In the supermarket was a woman on the checkout who was “just off the bus” said one of the nearby ladies, who was supervising her. She couldn’t give change properly even though the till said how much to give.

    I was going to do a quick interview for the Cat but Mrs TE dragged me away.


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  14. 13 years for pre-meditated murder….

    After 13 years in jail for the murder of her partner Bob Chappell, Susan Neill-Fraser will be free within a matter of days.

    The Parole Board of Tasmania is understood to have on Friday granted the 68-year-old grandmother parole, with sources suggesting she could be freed within days from Hobart’s Mary Hutchinson Women’s Prison.

    Her large group of supporters were jubilant. “It’s very good news – we’re obviously very pleased with the decision,” said Rosie Crumpton-Crook, of the Neill-Fraser Support Group.

    “We don’t know the detail – just that she’s been granted it, which we’re very, very happy about. We are very relieved.

    “It is great for her family to all have Christmas together. Our main priority will be to give Sue and her family some privacy while they get to know each other again.”

    In August, the High Court refused an application by Neill-Fraser for leave to appeal the Tasmanian Court of Criminal Appeal’s rejection of her second appeal.

    She is serving a 23 year sentence for the murder of Mr Chappell, a radiation physicist, on board their yacht, the Four Winds, on the night of January 26, 2009.

    The case has been highly controversial, with Neill-Fraser maintaining her innocence. There were no witnesses to Mr Chappell’s murder, and no murder weapon or body were found.

    Hobart Mercury


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  15. Cold case acquittal: Jury unaware accused murderer stabbed another woman to death
    Erin Pearson
    By Erin Pearson
    Updated September 16, 2022 — 5.27pmfirst published at 12.31pm

    A former hospital orderly who was found not guilty on Friday of murdering a nurse 36 years ago was previously jailed for killing another woman in similar circumstances.

    Colin Earl Graham, 67, was acquitted in the Supreme Court on Friday of both murder and manslaughter over the stabbing death of Ina-Doris Warrick in her Ringwood home in 1986.

    The jury returned its verdict after less than a day of deliberation, unaware Graham served 13 years in jail for the stabbing murder of Hilary-Anne Stevens in her Wheelers Hill home in 1999.

    Warrick was 25 when neighbours found her on her bed with fatal stab wounds.

    She worked with Graham at Box Hill Hospital and had shared dinner with him at a pizza restaurant in Ringwood before he dropped her home on the night of her death: March 21, 1986.

    The prosecution alleged Graham followed her inside where he stabbed her to death on her bed. But Graham maintained he dropped the nurse home alive about 8.45pm and drove straight home to his wife.

    Warrick’s neighbours found her body days later and called police. She was dressed in the same clothes she’d been wearing on the night of the pizza dinner.

    Following Friday’s not guilty verdict, it can be revealed that Graham served 13 years in prison for the murder of 21-year-old Stevens in October 1999.

    Stevens was stabbed in the back four times at her Wheelers Hill home in Melbourne’s south-east after going out for dinner with Graham.

    He was released from prison 10 years ago.

    During a public appeal for information in 2017, homicide squad detectives publicly revealed both women had died in similar circumstances.

    Following calls from members of the public, police arrested and charged Graham with Warrick’s murder in November 2018, some three decades after her death.

    He faced trial earlier this year, but a jury was unable to reach a verdict and a retrial was held this month.

    The second trial heard that at the time of her death, Warrick was working casual shifts at several hospitals and living alone at a property on Oban Road in Ringwood, following the death of her husband from cancer in October 1985.

    She was also in a romantic relationship with her married colleague and anaesthetist Gregory Stewart.

    On the day of her death Warrick met with the anaesthetist at Box Hill shopping centre about 5pm where they shared a coconut bun, shopped and spoke about medical accounts before leaving separately.

    At 6.45pm, Warrick returned home when her colleague Graham arrived unannounced. The pair left to have dinner together at a pizza restaurant before the hospital orderly dropped her home ahead of her nightshift.

    She was due to work her first shift at Warringal Private Hospital in Heidelberg later that evening, but never arrived.

    Neighbours found her a number of days later, lying on her back on her bed. She had been stabbed twice in the back with one wound puncturing her lung.

    “She was still wearing the same clothes she’d worn earlier that day when she was found,” Crown prosecutor Robyn Harper said.

    “She had not commenced changing into her nurse’s uniform. She’d not even removed her high heels.”

    The day after their shopping trip Stewart visited the nurse’s house. Finding no answer at the door, he left a note under the door saying “knock ’em dead at Box Hill tonight” where she was due to work.

    He returned the following day and went inside, where he found the 25-year-old dead on her bed. The court heard he did not report what he saw, instead fleeing in his car before turning back around to retrieve the handwritten note, throwing it out the window as he drove home.

    Stewart eventually told police he’d found the body, but not until March 28, two days after he first spoke to them about her.

    During the trial, the jury was told three people had told police Graham who had admitted to killing the nurse.

    Following eight days of evidence, he was found not guilty.



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  16. Jury unaware accused murderer stabbed another woman to death*

    The jury** returned its verdict after less than a day of deliberation, unaware Graham served 13 years in jail for the stabbing murder of Hilary-Anne Stevens in her Wheelers Hill home in 1999

    Ina-Doris Warrick

    Hilary-Anne Stevens

    Gillian Meagher

    Remember their names, peoples, because no obnoxious screechy inner city collectivist hypocrite will.

    Mere Eggs on collectivists’ great big new monstrous totalitarian society Omelette. When there are no rules, let alone any attempt to enforce them, (unless they’re invented and enforced by the latest “big man”), this is what happens.

    *They would have been hectored incessantly by the JuRdge not to go attempting to unearth any details of the accused dirtbag’s past.

    ** Braindead uninquisitive imbeciles.


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  17. A quick travelogue before the thread ticks over to the weekend.

    The lakes are unique and lovely. They are split into two sections, formed at different times in the earth’s history. The upper ones are dolomite, the lower limestone. What intrigued me was the tufa separating the lakes like dams – it is growing. It is also deposited on anything submerged – a boat sits at the bottom of crystal clear water, slowly being encased in rock.

    The weather held off for the entirety of the walk of around 10kms, so we got to see the milky green of the lower lakes and contrast with the jade of the upper ones. The big waterfall was running, but not at full bore due to the drought. What intrigued me was the change in vegetation over the demarcation line with birch switching to beech and conifers. Lots of long streamers of tassel ferns and club mosses on the falls, full of tiny crystal droplets. There was a perfect photo around every corner.

    When they feel able, Cats must visit this place. Europe has a marvellous built history and art and culture, but natural beauty is there too.


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  18. I forgot something. Fish.

    The clear water makes fish spotting easy. Unfortunately the lakes suffer from a familiar problem – carp.

    However, they have pike. This predator can control the fingerlings. I saw one today, my very first. It was pretending to be a branch, very still in the water with one fin gently keeping it in line with the bank. It saw me watching from above but its real quarry was a chance shoal of tiny fish.


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  19. Last one and I’ll stop thread bombing.

    Nice story emerging from the UK. The queue to pay respects to Her Maj now lying in state is now 14 hours long and wends its way across the Thames at Lambeth and around to opposite the Tower. Anyone who know London knows it’s a looooong queue. Along the way, they have snacks and loos and entertainments of sorts and everyone is being well behaved.

    David Beckham hopped on the end and joined it. He may have reached Westminster hall by now. Or not. Either way, it was a bit of a thrill for the football fans.


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  20. Dr Kerry Chant issues an urgent warning over a horrific disease spreading across Australia at an alarming rate – and it’s NOT Covid

    NSW Health aims to clamp down on sexually transmitted infections (STI) with boosted prevention, testing and treatment while lifting equitable access to health services.

    The strategy’s focus on equity comes amid concerns over the growing disparity in STI notifications between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people, especially for syphilis.

    Part of the strategy includes eliminating congenital syphilis – when a baby is born with syphilis from an infected mother.


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  21. interior designers are cheaper then divorce lawyers

    Possibly.
    But remember the words of Sun Tzu:-

    “The brave man pays the divorce lawyer once.
    The timid man is condemned to interior design bills for eternity”.



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  22. callisays:

    September 16, 2022 at 11:39 pm

    A quick travelogue before the thread ticks over to the weekend.

    The lakes are unique and lovely

    See.
    I furken toldya.
    No cascadin’ water, duzzen matter.
    Of all the places in the wide world we have visited, Plitvice Lakes are up there.
    The crystal clarity of the water and the almost primeval rock formations are something to behold.


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