Open Thread – Weekend 22 Oct 2022


Deluge, Ivan Aivazovsky, 1864

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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 22, 2022 12:06 am

Death to Traitors!

Yaaaaaaa!

Rossini
Rossini
October 22, 2022 12:09 am

Nothing to read tonight

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 12:10 am

Going to bed anyway

Rossini
Rossini
October 22, 2022 12:12 am

I see Dan the man is going to have electrical power coming out of his rear end
Must be going to eat a large quantity of eggs
Supposed to be super cheap
Dick head

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 22, 2022 12:14 am

Nothing to read tonight

This is true. A slow news night, so I thought I’d just, y’know, stir up some death. To the traitors, who I’m sure will be about in due course.

Excellent artwork choice again Doverlord.

Bruce in WA
October 22, 2022 1:44 am

That’s me done for the night. Got a new ( to me) car that I’m still enjoying, so night-night all!

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 22, 2022 1:52 am

Can’t sleep, finally settled on our new house. Meeting the removalist at the storage shed in the morning to finally move in.

Heartily sick of moving, because we were in holiday accommodation, we have moved 10 times in the last 14 months.

It will be great to be reunited with our “stuff”.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

It will be great to be reunited with our “stuff”.

I hope & pray that is what happens.

rickw
rickw
October 22, 2022 2:45 am
rosie
rosie
October 22, 2022 3:12 am

Congratulations Diogenes.

Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 4:10 am
Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 22, 2022 5:05 am

Excellent artwork choice again Doverlord.

Indeed

Winston Smith
October 22, 2022 5:05 am

Crossie:

First there were the Nord Stream explosions, then the cable to Shetland cut and now to parts of France. Are sinister tests underway or somebody playing silly buggers? Before the covid I would have said coincidence or silly games, now I’m not so sure.

Someone who can’t read the data on cables is breaking them to force their enemies onto satellite where they can read the traffic.*
So it must be Elon Musk!
🙂
*If you have 2 methods of conveying secret information and one is compromised and the other isn’t, you convince the enemy their secure line is compromised so they switch to the one you can read.

billie
billie
October 22, 2022 5:07 am

Rosie, agreed .. move

how can indiginous people be living in poverty?

we pour billions of $ into the remote communities, constantly

so money is not the problem, living in isolation is the problem

Winston Smith
October 22, 2022 5:07 am

Crossie:

Climate protesters who glue themselves to anything at all must be ridiculed as much as possible. Only when they realise that they are not admired but made fun of will they stop the nonsense.

I was kind of hoping the brats who chucked the soup on “Sunflowers” would be pissed on by the bystanders. Personal humiliation is a good application of “Rules For Radicals.”

Winston Smith
October 22, 2022 5:08 am

Calli:

Why would they want you to turn it off? Does it interfere with the airplane’s navigation or the airline’s prestige?

I doubt it would do anything apart from asking the equivalent of “Are we there yet, Mum?”
However it does give an amorphous bureaucratic blob the opportunity to create a ‘rule’ for your ‘safety’ and then force your compliance or face the consequences.
Every little rule is a strand of cotton that will eventually tie the people more firmly than chains.

If it saves just one life.

It’s to save the planet, peasant!

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 22, 2022 5:12 am

Heartily sick of moving, because we were in holiday accommodation, we have moved 10 times in the last 14 months.

You and your family are certainly made of sterling stuff Diogenes – certainly fighters, not quitters. Best wishes for contentment once settled in. Your deserve it.

Winston Smith
October 22, 2022 5:12 am

J.C:

Turtlehead/CMD

Can you explain who the ‘Turtlehead/CMD” is so we can respond appropriately?
Or are you trying to create another round of disagreements, in which case we take this to the Dueling Thread where I can provide evidence of your duplicity and viciousness?*
* It isn’t going to get stale – you put it up in 2015 and it’s still the same steaming heap of nastiness now as it was then.

Winston Smith
October 22, 2022 5:22 am

Carpe Jugulum:

Protesting in a car – weld the doors shut, smash the rear window and suspend by crane over the nearest body of water, (minimum height suspended at 20m).

Don’t you think 20 miles up is a bit of overkill? It will probably run into cost issues – how about launching the car into the same orbit as Elons Roadster and setting up a book as to which one falls into the Sun first. (The Armadillo would be happy to run it, I’m sure.)

bespoke
bespoke
October 22, 2022 5:36 am
Winston Smith
October 22, 2022 5:41 am

Salvatore:

Though I’m still a fan of the “runaway panicking coach horses galloping flat out down the street” as a method of rapidly clearing the glued-down arses from the public roadway.

I must admit that scenario didn’t immediately occur to me.
Perhaps it may have, eventually, but it’s not something that springs to mind as quickly as launching them into a solar orbit alongside Elon Musks Roadster.

Zatara
Zatara
October 22, 2022 6:43 am

Though I’m still a fan of the “runaway panicking coach horses galloping flat out down the street” as a method of rapidly clearing the glued-down arses from the public roadway.

The City could always borrow this from the IWM.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 22, 2022 6:44 am

Excellent artwork choice again Doverlord.

BoM has found a volcano to throw some virgins into.

How a Tongan volcanic eruption almost guarantees a ‘flooded summer’ for Australia’s east coast (22 Oct)

Ordinarily it’s tricky to forecast the SAM a long way in advance, but the volcanic eruption means that there is a high confidence that the SAM will generally be stuck in a positive phase until at least the end of summer.

So between La Nina and the Southern Annular Mode – for the vast majority of the east coast, and to a lesser extent the eastern inland, there is a high chance of wetter than usual weather right through until the end of summer.

More rain, rain, rain. It’s a deluge alright.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 22, 2022 6:45 am

Oh and I forgot to mention, amusingly there’s no mention of “climate change” or “global warming” anywhere in the story.

Gilas
Gilas
October 22, 2022 6:53 am

From the OOT..

JC says:
October 22, 2022 at 3:50 am

Er.. no.
Digitized is eons easier, can be suitably targeted through AI algorithms. Alterations happen in the dark.
A WEFfer’s wet dream.

Anything and anyone can be targeted if the intent is there. “Easier” doesn’t equal intent and purpose. In other words if there is a will there’s a way.

100% correct, but what if a new process makes it easier to do it?
When one does an MBA, one learns about the principles of friction and contestability.
In summary: removing external barriers to any action makes that action more likely.

Simple!
Now expand that to the securing/managing of the largest private asset class in Australia.. by a faceless, increasingly unaccountable and even hostile power.
Imagine what is then possible.. as they say… at the stroke of a pen.

And if anyone thinks this is mere paranoia, they haven’t been paying attention to the last 30+ years.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 22, 2022 6:53 am

Not sure the supercomputer at the Bureau of Meteorology is working. Certainly haven’t had the rain ‘bomb’ these arseholes predicted.
As for being unable to leave as our ‘protectors’ have said, that also is a crock of shit. People have been able to move freely around the district for their work, shopping etc.
It’s not doom and gloom, I reckon the peak water has been reached. And that’s another point of contention. They have said the peak would be Wednesday. Then Thursday. Then yesterday. Now today.
Get it right fuckwits.

Winston Smith
October 22, 2022 6:59 am

Mind you, Salvatore, I would tend to think of the bottle of scotch in my pocket, “Just in case I see a snake” which I would have in another pocket in case nature failed to provide one at the opportune moment.

2dogs
2dogs
October 22, 2022 7:03 am

Lozza Fox, the challenge is on.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 22, 2022 7:04 am

Gee, golly, gosh, ABC!
Things are grim when you’ve even got Paul Barry’s Media Watch gunning for you.
Despite years of denial and obfuscation, hordes of people’s complaints about bias rejected by in-house reviews, the ABC has been skewered by what appears to be habitual left leaning, green boosting and – here’s the rub, so to speak – its love affair with the Australian Workplace Equality Index (AWEI).

Dot
Dot
October 22, 2022 7:04 am

How do you fabricate an Indian turd?

Actually…

Dot
Dot
October 22, 2022 7:07 am

I need a help.
Could you do me this one thing?
I have been here since five years ago.
Revert back to me.
What is your good name?
When did you pass out at college?

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2022 7:18 am

From The Oz…

“Donald Trump’s former aide Steve Bannon was sentenced Friday to four months in prison for refusing to testify in the congressional probe of the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol.

One of the masterminds behind Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and victory, Bannon was found guilty on two counts of contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena to testify over the riot by the former president’s supporters.

Bannon, who was also fined $6,500, was permitted by the judge to remain free while he fights what his lawyer vowed would be a “bulletproof” appeal.

The longtime Trump strategist struck a defiant tone upon leaving the federal court in Washington – lashing out at President Joe Biden and the Democratic leaders of the House of Representatives.

“Today was my judgment day by the judge,” Bannon told reporters outside. “On November 8th there’s going to have judgment on the illegitimate Biden regime,” he vowed — in reference to the upcoming midterm elections.

We can only hope Mr Bannon.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2022 7:26 am

On a now rarely used WhatsApp group, someone shared the Jimmy Dore video from yesterday where the EU chap with the high voice was speaking about Pfizer.
It’s rarely used because of all the COVID arguments that ended a few friendships.
One of the lockdown forever chumps took the bait & went to town on regarding the EU chaps voice.
It’s the human condition, when confronted with uncomfortable truths revert to the Nelson Muntz “ha ha, two feet”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2022 7:41 am

Today’s Cox Plate has an awesome field.
Hopefully the weather doesn’t play too much of a role.
The Moonee Valley Gold Cup just before also has a great field too.
Good times.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 22, 2022 7:43 am

Just been to a movie showing of a doco on the Panama Canal. Packed house, day at sea and probably most of the 1000 passengers on board turned up. A terrific tale of human ingenuity vs mountains (engineer Stevens) and disease, especially Yellow Fever (Dr. Gargos). No YF or Malaria mosquitos supposed to be there now, but still glad I got the shot for YF (in spite of the one in a million death rate). I didn’t know that with YF it can only take 8 hours from infection to death spewing up yr guts.

Hairy writes on a piece of paper during a picnic lunch in our ‘Stateroom’ (i.e. cabin) after the show.

A MAN, A PLAN, A CANAL, PANAMA!

A palindrome for yez all. He was very impressed with the engineering plan.

duncanm
duncanm
October 22, 2022 7:44 am

nothing to see here. No conflict. No influence. Nup.

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe repeatedly questioned Home Affairs boss Mike Pezzullo about the status of a suspected member of the Rebels bikie gang who was facing deportation to New Zealand.

Thorpe took up the case of Jack Hobson, identified in court documents as an alleged member of the Rebels, with top department officials at a Senate estimates hearing in November 2021, arguing he should be released from immigration detention due to his Indigenous heritage.

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2022 7:47 am

From The Daily Telegraph…

Annette Sharp: Netball factions stir up strife as Gina Rinehart tries to save the day

Netball players have been happy to bank Origin Energy’s coal-fired sponsorship coin since 2020, so why the furore over Hancock Prospecting’s $15 million, asks Annette Sharp.

Gina Rinehart is a polarising figure in business, politics and the media, but within the sporting world she’s something of a saint.

The Australian Olympic Committee, Volleyball Australia, synchronised swimming’s Synchro Australia, Rowing Australia and swimmers including James Magnussen have all benefited from Rinehart’s generosity and largesse as, too, this month, did Netball Australia.

However as Rinehart has found, the factions within Australian netball now scrapping over the implications of the $15m four-year sponsorship deal with her Hancock Prospecting are a wildly disaffected and fractious bunch.

On one side of netball’s war table sits netball’s governing authority Netball Australia (NA), run by the only woman helming a major national sporting code Kelly Ryan, who came to the job in July 2021 from an AFL sports management background.

Ryan was immediately charged with the onerous task of reversing the organisation’s perilous $7 million-in-arrears financial position and looked to be making good headway when she opened talks with Rinehart.

On the other side of the table is the netball players’ association ANPA, of which Kathryn Harby-Williams is chief executive, treasurer and secretary.

South Australian Harby-Williams is a former Diamonds captain (2000-2003) who presides over an association which defines itself online as “a collective voice to promote the interests and protect the welfare of Australia’s elite netballers”.

ANPA, on whose executive former player Liz Ellis once sat, has a history of releasing statements pronouncing Australian netballers to be devastated/aggrieved/worried in response to plans struck by NA — from which Harby-Williams was unceremoniously and spectacularly dumped in 2017.

Just three weeks ago Australian netball squad the Diamonds looked to be at peace with mining magnate Rinehart’s injection of cold hard cash into their sport.

And why wouldn’t they be? They’ve been happy to bank Origin Energy’s coal-fired sponsorship coin since 2020.

On October 3, the Diamonds posed for the cameras in new uniforms on which a Hancock Prospecting badge was sewn. Players later happily posted the images to their social media accounts.

However, in the days that followed dissension quickly set in.

It emerged the players’ association had been provoked.

Initial media reports suggested ANPA was annoyed it hadn’t been informed Rinehart was the code’s new sponsor.

Newly installed NA chairwoman Wendy Archer later acknowledged ANPA was told of an “impending mining partnership” but not that it was with Rinehart.

Simultaneously, Indigenous goal shooter Donnell Wallam, who makes her Australian debut against England next week, reportedly baulked at the sponsorship.

Wallam had taken issue with the late Lang Hancock’s record concerning the Indigenous population, it was reported.

There’s no question old Lang said and did some hugely provocative, insensitive and environmentally-unfriendly things, and Wallam is entitled to ask Rinehart for an apology — and how heroic of her to do so.

It didn’t help her cause, though, when ex-netballer turned climate warrior Sharni Norder, Wallam’s mentor, revealed her affiliation to ANPA by slamming NA for a “lack of due diligence” over the new sponsor, seemingly confirming what others suspected — that retired players had been “educating” current Diamonds about “honouring (their) values”.

The current dispute comes months after veteran player Ellis put her name to a private equity consortium bid by former cricketer Matt Berriman to buy the primary netball competition, Super Netball, for $6.5 million.

Berriman withdrew his offer in August, but insiders familiar with the current dispute say he is still posturing to acquire and privatise the code’s assets.

Berriman, who has bipolar disorder, and who once sued Cricket Australia, appears to have been pouring sugar into the ear of ANPA with a promise to offer improved mental health and wellbeing of players.

The RealVC founder, who incidentally appointed former ABC chief Michelle Guthrie to the board of his travel platform Travlr last year, has made no secret of his opposition to Rinehart, recently posting to Twitter: “Gina is destroying Australian land and creating harm to the climate.”

Environmentalists will no doubt agree, but for administrators charged with ensuring Australian netball’s survival, Rinehart has saved the day.”

A few points…

1. Since when is Gina Rinehart a “a polarising figure in business, politics and the media“. No, she’s only a “polarising figure” in progressive circles because she is known to be of the political right and she speaks her mind, particularly about the climate con.

2. As for this utterly nonsensical statement ““Gina is destroying Australian land and creating harm to the climate.””. Here’s a fact, without iron ore, there are no solar panels and there are no windmills. Does this fuckwit Berriman also say the same about Andrew Forrest? Probably not, because Twiggy is the darling of the progressive left. The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

3. As for “old Lang said and did some hugely provocative, insensitive and environmentally-unfriendly things“….so what? Lots of people once said crude and offensive things. So Gina Rinehart is to be judged because of some things her father once said. I’m aware of some offensive things he said but I’m not aware of anything he did. When we lived in Claremont in Perth, we’d see old Lang around the place (Perth was like a big village then), he drove (himself) a bombed out old Mercedes Benz and he generally always looked like a dishevelled old tramp. Until Rose came along, Lang lived a frugal life. He never threw his wealth around.

4. Please, please Gina, I beg you, walk away from this.

duncanm
duncanm
October 22, 2022 7:47 am

Tomsays:
October 22, 2022 at 4:10 am
Chip Bok.

nice Python reference there from Bok.

Mater
October 22, 2022 7:56 am

4. Please, please Gina, I beg you, walk away from this.

The Diamonds are getting absolutely cruelled on Social Media. It’s a fucking bloodbath.

Australians are wholesale barracking for New Zealand, and praying that Australia loses.

The argument about Lang aside, the Diamonds have made themselves so unpopular with the public, Gina should not want her name associated with them.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 22, 2022 8:00 am

Thorpe took up the case of Jack Hobson, identified in court documents as an alleged member of the Rebels, with top department officials at a Senate estimates hearing in November 2021, arguing he should be released from immigration detention due to his Indigenous heritage.

Interesting how many Kiwis have Aboriginal ancestors.
I’m in favor of deporting no good Kiwis for any reason at all, but if this guy’s granddad was in a whaling crew that ended up in New Zealand, then we shouldn’t deport him.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 22, 2022 8:01 am

It’s the human condition, when confronted with uncomfortable truths revert to the Nelson Muntz “ha ha, two feet”.

Seen this over and over with climate and covid especially. They’re scared at a deep emotional level, but when confronted with data and argument that shows they’re in error they can’t get past the visceral fear. And since they cannot counter the truthful data they strike back with ad homs.

Got into one argument on the old Cat, the climate activist became so abusive and extremely nasty, after failing to make any headway against real data, that had to Sinc ban him on the spot. It was fear, illogical fear, driving him I think. I blame the MSM and governments for instilling this existential terror in so many people. And they just keep on doing it. It won’t end well.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 22, 2022 8:05 am

Some Just Stop Oil bellends have been placed on remand.
Which is, of course, imprisonment without trial.
Oh dear.
How sad.

Judge Dredd
Judge Dredd
October 22, 2022 8:07 am

Lara Logan speaks the truth, and then gets cancelled by “conservative” media Newsmax. Can’t have someone condemning the elites beloved practices.

Well at least we now know Newsmax is on the side of Satan.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/newsmax-tv-severs-ties-with-lara-logan-after-she-says-world-leaders-dine-on-the-blood-of-children/

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 22, 2022 8:08 am

We’ve just been to a movie doco on the building of the Panama Canal. Most of the 1000 passengers on board turned up. It told a terrific tale of human ingenuity vs mountains (engineer Frank Stevens) and disease, especially Yellow Fever (Dr. Gargos). No YF or Malaria mosquitos supposed to be there now, but still glad I got the shot for YF (in spite of the one in a million death rate for the shot). I didn’t know that with YF it can only take 8 hours from infection to death ending in spewing up yr guts. During the worst of it in the Panama building process the death rate was over 50%.

Hairy writes on a piece of paper during a picnic lunch in our ‘Stateroom’ (i.e. cabin) after the show.

A MAN, A PLAN, A CANAL, PANAMAA palindrome for yez all.
He was very impressed with the engineering plan.

We are both looking forward to experiencing the Panama Canal for ourselves after tomorrow’s stop in Costa Rica. With all passengers on board, the internet today is very flakey. I am busying myself with some other writing. And a P.D. James who-dun-it.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 22, 2022 8:10 am

200mm for Sept/Oct at our farm.
That’s getting up to half our average annual rainfall.
South Australians are having a dream run and will be turning off another huge crop.
The poor water starved crow eaters is a fiction.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 22, 2022 8:11 am

That’s an exclamation mark after Panama in that Palindrome, not another A.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 22, 2022 8:13 am

The full stop was missing. A clue to the internet malfunctioning.

Hugh
Hugh
October 22, 2022 8:20 am

We had 75mm here yesterday. Overflowing dams have created a new river, so we now have a waterfront property.

JC
JC
October 22, 2022 8:20 am

Got into one argument on the old Cat, the climate activist became so abusive and extremely nasty, after failing to make any headway against real data, that had to Sinc ban him on the spot. It was fear, illogical fear, driving him I think. I blame the MSM and governments for instilling this existential terror in so many people. And they just keep on doing it. It won’t end well.

He must have been terrible. I’ve seen your arguments and some of them are dreadful. The Cambridge gate watcher tried to help one time and is now rarely seen.
The chart showing snowfall which shows levels falling drastically over the past 20 odd years from the previous 30. You called that flatlining.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 22, 2022 8:20 am

Here’s a fact, without iron ore, there are no solar panels and there are no windmills. Does this fuckwit Berriman also say the same about Andrew Forrest? Probably not, because Twiggy is the darling of the progressive left. The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

The stupidity is also unbelievable. As well as the ‘sins of our fathers’ stuff.

They really are vile to Gina.

Haters just gotta hate.
Ya get that.

JC
JC
October 22, 2022 8:22 am

Liz

What’s the purpose of floating around malaria ridden hellholes like Panama?

Where are you heading to on the other side?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 22, 2022 8:22 am

That last line is a quote, btw.

lol

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 8:24 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 22, 2022 at 7:43 am

Hairy writes on a piece of paper during a picnic lunch in our ‘Stateroom’ (i.e. cabin) after the show.

A MAN, A PLAN, A CANAL, PANAMA!

A palindrome for yez all. He was very impressed with the engineering plan.

Lizzie,

As an Illiterate Engineer, very impressed with Hairys’ palindrome as well as with Panama Plan

Suggest Hairy would enjoy

Super Telescope: Mission to the Edge of the Universe – BBC Documentary

As Nasa releases the first images from the James Webb Space Telescope, this film tells the inside story of the telescope’s construction and the astronomers taking its first picture of distant stars and galaxies. Will it be the deepest image of our universe ever taken?

The successor to Hubble, and 100 times more powerful, the James Webb is the most technically advanced telescope ever built. It will look further back in time than Hubble to an era around 200 million years after the Big Bang, when the first stars and galaxies appeared. Webb’s primary mission is to capture the faint light from these objects on the edge of our visible universe so that scientists can learn how they formed, but its instruments are so sensitive it could also be the first telescope to detect signs of life on a distant planet.

Johnny Rotten
October 22, 2022 8:26 am

Brevity is the soul of wit.

– William Shakespeare

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 22, 2022 8:27 am

Zulu

Professor Castles has been awarded a $3.2m Australian Laureate Fellowship via the Australian Research Council to improve literacy standards in high schools. In an interview with The Weekend Australian, she said testing the ­literacy of students starting high school would be a “good idea’’.

The Productivity Commission’s review of the national school reform agreement – which sets out funding priorities for governments – revealed that one third of children who struggle to read in year 3 fail to improve by year 5. And 28 per cent of those with reading problems in year 7 remain semiliterate in year 9.

Less time spent talking about the “Stolen Generation?”

Steal the fascist left’s language from them, call it what it is:

Development of a new Stolen Generation, a disgrace to Australia.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 22, 2022 8:28 am

I’m betting Lidia Thorpe doesn’t wear undies under a dress with lines in it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 22, 2022 8:29 am

The “New Stolen Generation” is being torn from its past and its culture, and given an unrecognisable substitute.

Save the New Stolen Generation!

Johnny Rotten
October 22, 2022 8:31 am

God said “Adam, I want you to do something for Me”. Adam said “Gladly, Lord, what do You want me to do?”

God said “Go down into that valley”. Adam said “What’s a valley?”

God explained it to him.

Then God said “Cross the river”. Adam said “What’s a river?”

God explained that to him.

And then He said “Go over to the hill…” Adam said “What is a hill?”

So, God explained to Adam what a hill was.

He told Adam “On the other side of the hill you will find a cave”. Adam said “What’s a cave?”

After God explained, He said “In the cave you will find a woman”. Adam said “What’s a woman?’

So God explained that to him, too.

Then, God said “I want you to reproduce”. Adam said “How do I do that?”

God first said (under His breath) “Geez…”

And then, just like everything else, God explained that to Adam, as well.

So, Adam goes down into the valley, across the river, and over the hill, into the cave, and finds the woman. Then, in about five minutes, he was back…

God, His patience wearing thin, said angrily “What is it now?” And Adam said “What’s a headache?”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 8:32 am

Doddering Biden looks confused as he struggles to exit stage at rally

President Biden appeared lost and confused as he left his latest speech this week, raising fresh concerns after a series of similar caught-on-camera moments.

The gaffe-prone commander-in-chief — who turns 80 next month — made his latest awkward stage exit after speaking Thursday at a rally in Pittsburgh while campaigning for Democrat John Fetterman.

After finishing his speech, Biden initially turned to his right, stopping in his tracks and raising his hands while speaking to his team.

After turning to his right, he turned the other way, ultimately making a complete 180-degree turn to his left to find the exit.

He then pointed at the exit and appeared to mumble to himself, before awkwardly hustling off stage.

Biden had also appeared confused when quizzed by reporters during an unexpected stop at a sandwich shop just outside Pittsburgh.

“These are the actions of someone who’s cognitively ill and UNABLE to serve his country.”

From the Comments

Age should not be the criteria, mental acuity must be. However as much as we agree Joe is out of it the alternative is not much better. Ever listen to Kamala?

More interesting Fetterman didn’t speak at all and his wife

A reporter attempts to ask John Fetterman a question.

Jersey Gisele immediately jumps in and goes “We’re not doing interviews.”

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 22, 2022 8:32 am

Now expand that to the securing/managing of the largest private asset class in Australia.. by a faceless, increasingly unaccountable and even hostile power.
Imagine what is then possible.. as they say… at the stroke of a pen.
And if anyone thinks this is mere paranoia, they haven’t been paying attention to the last 30+ years.

Thanks, Gilas. From Adam’s cat this link. I’m making no claims about veracity.
comment image
It does raise questions about centralised digital medical or other records. The past is so much easier to change.
Anyone think we’ll ever get any reliable stats on the coof and the clotshot?

Gabor
Gabor
October 22, 2022 8:33 am

What’s the purpose of floating around malaria ridden hellholes like Panama?

Many asked this question or similar re. cruising.
There is no logical answer to this.

calli
calli
October 22, 2022 8:34 am

I have to say it…I’m heartily sick of “Internal Server Errors”.

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2022 8:34 am

Outstanding piece. It identifies the key problem and suggests a solution. Whether it’s doable is another matter, but this is like a breath of fresh air.

why you should be a one issue voter
a simple solution to a complex problem

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 22, 2022 8:35 am

The gaffe-prone commander-in-chief — who turns 80 next month —

Joe was born in 1943, so how can he turn 80 next month?

calli
calli
October 22, 2022 8:36 am

The Milaflores locks and the original canal are one of the world’s great engineering feats. Well worth a visit if you like that sort of thing (which I do). Once the Americans became involved, the work proceeded post haste.

calli
calli
October 22, 2022 8:36 am

There is another canal now, one for the supertankers. You can sit in the Milaflores building and watch them glide by at a level slightly elevated above the original canal. Once you get out into the lake, all the ships can pass both ways.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 22, 2022 8:39 am

Re Cassie’s comments – Gina is truely great woman and a real woman. She out to tell lezball to take a hike.

As for the imprisonment of Bannon along with the other political prisoners in DC. Not to mention some NBC slag that doxes private citizens who support Trump, I don’t think I want to set foot in the US ever again. The land of the free- what a con

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2022 8:40 am

The climate ideology is a core tenet of this whole pervasive neo-Marxist and very woke progressive cult and if you dare dispute or disagree with any aspect of it, you’re damned and guilty. We are witnessing our very own show trials. Vasili Ulrikh would be proud of how his woke ideological descendants damn and judge you because of what your father or mother or grandfather may have once said.

“Australians are wholesale barracking for New Zealand, and praying that Australia loses.”

As am I and I feel no guilt for doing so.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 22, 2022 8:41 am

Where are you heading to on the other side?

It’s all fun and games to us, JC. Enjoying every moment and every stop.

We are heading over to Aruba, which I’ve just found on the map.
Said to be a Caribbean island nation, but close to the Sth American coast.
It’s then quite a hop through the Caribbean sea lanes (sadly no more stops) to Fort Lauderdale.

Aruba is mentioned in the song Co-co-mo. Along with Bermuda, Bahama, come on pretty mama, Jamaica, Montego … and so on. I think we can feel another cruise coming on – full-on Carribean next time. Cruising gives me some time to write free of familial cares and keeps Hairy busy with all the things to do on board. Win-win. The cocktails which come free with the drinks package are pretty acceptable too. It is not the only way to holiday but it is a good way and suits many because you are free to do as little or as much as you want to do. Go mid-range in price or above, not the cheapo cruise lines which are vexatious to the ear and eye.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 8:42 am

Bannon gets 4 months behind bars for defying 1/6 subpoena

U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols allowed Bannon to stay free pending appeal and also imposed a fine of $6,500 as part of the sentence. Bannon was convicted in July of two counts of contempt of Congress: one for refusing to sit for a deposition and the other for refusing to provide documents.

The defense, meanwhile, said he wasn’t acting in bad faith, but trying to avoid running afoul of executive privilege objections Trump had raised when Bannon was first served with a committee subpoena last year. The onetime presidential adviser said he wanted to have a Trump lawyer in the room, but the committee wouldn’t allow it.

Schoen also defended Bannon’s public remarks about the committee: “Telling the truth about this committee or speaking one’s mind about this committee, it’s not only acceptable in this country, it’s an obligation if one believes it to be true,” Schoen said.

As he walked into court on Friday, Bannon told reporters, “This illegitimate regime, their judgment day is on 8 November when the Biden administration ends.” Bannon did not speak during the hearing, saying only, “My lawyers have spoken for me, your honor.”

Leaving the courthouse after the sentencing, Bannon said he believed Attorney General Merrick Garland would be impeached.

Meanwhile

J6 Committee Officially Demands Trump Testify

After voting unanimously to approve a subpoena at their last hearing, the House select committee probing the events of January 6th officially filed their demand for testimony and records from former President Donald Trump on Friday afternoon, giving Trump the opportunity, if he complies, to speak directly to the Democrats (plus outgoing GOP Reps. Liz Cheney (WY) and Adam Kinzinger (IL) on the committee as well as the American people.

In the subpoena addressed to Trump (embedded in full below), the J6 committee said the subpoena “calls for testimony regarding your dealings with multiple individuals who have now themselves invoked their Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination regarding their communications with you,” actions the committee stated “related directly to [Trump] and [his] conduct. They provide specific examples where your truthful testimony under oath will be important,” the committee explained.

“We recognize that a subpoena to a former President is a significant and historic action,” the committee’s letter continues, claiming “We do not take this action lightly. But as you likely know, you would not be the first former president to testify before Congress or to receive a congressional subpoena,” the letter states before listing former president stretching from John Quincy Adams to Gerald Ford. The committee, of course, doesn’t acknowledge the fact that their select committee and its goal of taking down the former president differs from the other former presidents and their appearances before congressional committees.

calli
calli
October 22, 2022 8:45 am

I give up. The garden beckons.

JC
JC
October 22, 2022 8:46 am

Aruba is a nice beach resort.

Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 8:48 am

As we speak, Areff is in the air en route from Manila to New York – nearly three days late and not via the route he originally booked.

In a couple of hours, he will land in Vancouver, Canada. Then he will wait around seven hours for a JetBlue redeye overnight flight to JFK – if all goes to plan.

Areff originally booked Melbourne to Manila with Philippine Airlines on Wednesday and straight on to JFK non-stop after a four-hour wait.

But the JFK flight was cancelled so the airline put him up in a hotel four two days while it reorganised schedules after the technical issue that caused the flight cancellation.

Problem was the two-day delay has pushed Areff and other Australian travellers to JFK into the busiest time of the week – Friday.

So the airline bumped him off the JFK flight and found him a seat to Vancouver, then booked him a red-eye to JFK with Jet Blue.

Areff is furious. He says Philippine Airlines should lose its licence to fly to Australia.

The moral of the story is don’t fly with an airline you haven’t used before unless you know someone who’s had a good experience.

The only good thing about Philippine Airlines is that it doesn’t crash aeroplanes as a number of big Asian carriers have done in the past 20 years.

custard
custard
October 22, 2022 8:49 am

The evidence they want Trump to elicit could backfire on them bigly.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 22, 2022 8:49 am

A little humour: Springtime on Mars
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/139330182196026059/

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 8:53 am

Joe Biden’s Big Diesel Problem

Drawing down the country’s petroleum reserves isn’t anybody’s idea of a long-term fix, but this latest round does appear to be having some kind of effect, since the average gallon of regular gas in the US costs about 8 cents less than it did last week, according to AAA.

But the shrinking cost at the pump threatens to cloak bigger problems ahead, and those appear to be showing up in the skyrocketing cost of the fuel that plays a leading role in powering the overall economy: diesel.

If you want a peek at the future, look at how the price of New York Harbor diesel fuel is rising. At more than $200 a barrel, that fuel blend, the current standard, is more than double the price of regular gasoline – and that gap is a major reason why so many other goods are getting more expensive.

“These numbers are incredibly high,” said Tom Kloza, global head of energy analysis at Oil Price Information Service. “It’s hard to find something that’s more insidious than high diesel prices, because the way that everything in the country really moves. Whether by rail, by boat, or by truck, it’s diesel-fired.” While it’s still about 50 cents a gallon lower than the all-time peak reached in June, it’s still about 50 percent more expensive than it was a year ago at this time.

The reasons behind this get directly to why there are no easy fixes for this kind of problem. As Javier Blas at Bloomberg points out, diesel stockpiles should be 30 percent higher than they are right now. The banning of Russian oil and gas from much of the Western world is a major reason for that drop, but the whiplash in demand following COVID lockdowns is also still affecting the global supply. The last time there was this little supply, there were about 3.5 billion fewer people on the planet, Kloza pointed out. That doesn’t even get to the vast expansion in infrastructure, and how much more fuel is needed today to send goods around the world in a vastly more globalized economy. Places like Latin America and Asia also depend on it more than the US does.

But the sting will be felt everywhere. It’s not just transportation that relies on diesel: 75 percent of all farm equipment relies on the fuel, meaning that the price of food is going to rise before it ever even gets on a truck.

And it’s not just diesel that’s rising. Kerosene, which is typically used to heat homes in poorer and rural communities in the Northeast, is nearing $7 a gallon — a significant expense for anyone who will need to buy one or two gallons per hour to heat a house in the winter. Jet fuel is about 23 percent more expensive than it was a month ago. With Europe still weening itself off Russian energy, extra demand from the continent could push prices up even higher this winter and into next year.

Zatara
Zatara
October 22, 2022 8:54 am

Joe was born in 1943, so how can he turn 80 next month?

Because he wasn’t born in 1943?

20 Nov 1942

JC
JC
October 22, 2022 8:55 am

The moral of the story is don’t fly with an airline you haven’t used before unless you know someone who’s had a good experience.

At least they tried to get him on a flight. Qantas dumped me and others in LA after the American Airlines leg to NY was cancelled. Neither could be bothered to help. Welcome to airline travel post covid lockdowns.
Tom, I think we come over to the other side of covid lockdowns as much less happy and lazier. No one gives a shit about service anymore.

I called my bank yesterday. Thirty minute wait and I just hung up.

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2022 8:55 am
Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2022 8:57 am

WEF Insect Food Agenda Implemented on Dutch Children

And on our children. Something, somehow has to be done to stop this.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2022 8:58 am

Looks to be a youtube channel purge underway.
I had a bunch of videos in my watch later queue but not only has a range of video’s been deleted the channel has been “terminated” (YouTube actually says terminated).
Definitely two channels gone, maybe three.
If there is a wholesale purge underway no doubt social media will be reporting it.
If not, it’s just a coincidence.

Mater
October 22, 2022 8:59 am

Joe was born in 1943, so how can he turn 80 next month?

Because he was born in Nov 1942.

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2022 9:00 am
Zatara
Zatara
October 22, 2022 9:01 am

Trump Jan 6 subpoena lol

A meaningless political gesture as the 6 Jan committee voted for that in the final minutes of their final session. They will not meet again this year and will probably not even exist after the next Congress is seated on 3 Jan 2023.

That the Dems are doing this 2 weeks before the mid-term elections shows either a gross lack of awareness of their political dilemma or deep desperation because of it. Possibly both.

Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 9:01 am

The evidence they want Trump to elicit could backfire on them bigly.

The Republicans will probably stuff this up, but the Dems are delivering them millions of votes for the mid-terms by demanding Trump testify in front of the J6 kangaroo court.

Generally speaking, ideologues are shit at politics.

Gabor
Gabor
October 22, 2022 9:02 am

Zatara says:
October 22, 2022 at 8:54 am
Joe was born in 1943, so how can he turn 80 next month?

Because he wasn’t born in 1943?
20 Nov 1942

It’s amazing that Ed isn’t bothered by being continually wrong, I wonder what this condition is called?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2022 9:04 am

think we come over to the other side of covid lockdowns as much less happy and lazier. No one gives a shit about service anymore.

Yep. If you need to engage with a bank regarding anything look out.
They are now like Telstra, fine when everything is working.
But if there’s a problem, factor in 3 months of people on the other end of phone not knowing anything & telling you lies about anything being fixed.

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2022 9:06 am

No tax cuts for low and middle income earners in the budget, but a Canadian company will be granted $45m to develop an experimental compressed air battery at Broken Hill.

Small beer in the larger scheme of things (although one of many), but symbolic of this government’s warped priorities.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2022 9:07 am

They will not meet again this year and will probably not even exist after the next Congress is seated on 3 Jan 2023.

Zatara, can’t the speaker recall the Congress post mid-terms for a pre-Christmas sitting.
Didn’t that happen during one of the GWB’s sessions?

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2022 9:07 am

It’s amazing that Ed isn’t bothered by being continually wrong, I wonder what this condition is called?

Attention seeking.

custard
custard
October 22, 2022 9:08 am

Will backfire on them bigly!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 9:09 am

Will America end Zelenskyy’s dream?
The pro-war consensus seems to be weakening

BY THOMAS FAZI

Makes it to realclearpolitics page for today

Zelensky’s Dream and the Weakening Consensus on Ukraine Thomas Fazi, UnHerd

Gabor
Gabor
October 22, 2022 9:09 am

Roger says:
October 22, 2022 at 9:06 am

No tax cuts for low and middle income earners in the budget, but a Canadian company will be granted

$45m to develop an experimental compressed air battery at Broken Hill.

Been done for cars yonks ago by a Geelong guy (Ford car?) if I recall.
No good.

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2022 9:09 am

Huge surge in demand for travel, doesn’t sound like it will be sorted for a while.
The direct flights my family used to Melbourne QLD were cancelled, no announcement, I actually had to ring the regional airport to fund out.
Family member had a conference in Scotland that was a flight disaster, though not as bad as areff’s, twelve hour delay after check-in.
Has to get better.

Rabz
October 22, 2022 9:09 am

ex-netballer turned climate warrior Sharni Norder

Any females in the family named Laura?

BTW Cats, we appear to have plumbed a subterranean new depth – Eddles is now fantasising about Hydia Thorpey – and just after I’d finished breakfast. Yech.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 22, 2022 9:09 am

Zatarasays:
October 22, 2022 at 8:54 am
Joe was born in 1943, so how can he turn 80 next month?

Because he wasn’t born in 1943?

20 Nov 1942

Relax, Zatara, it’s only Richard Cranium making things up again. Standard practice for him.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2022 9:11 am

Eric Holder made a big thing about not giving a shit about it.
He went out for a fancy pants feed the evening he was found in contempt effectively daring them to arrest him.
The rules have changed now.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 22, 2022 9:11 am

Sweet Baby Cheeses.
Those flying Doritos have knocked out a lot of hinge pins.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 9:11 am

Alarmist Scientist Tim Flannery’s Drought Prediction Contradicted… “Heavy Rainfalls” 3 Years In a Row

La Niña continues to ravage Australia for the third year in a row, and for the third time this year – instead of the increasing drought that was predicted a few years ago – Australia is experiencing repeated flooding.

Eighteen years ago, Australia’s climate commissioner and climate activist Tim Flannery predicted that Australia’s reservoirs would not be able to be filled due to the lack of rain caused by alleged climate change (synonymous with the lack of global warming). Since then, there has been a series of floods in Australia especially in La Niña years.

Rabz
October 22, 2022 9:12 am

areff – sorry to hear about your travails, Squire and I hope the grand daughter is doing well. An absolute disgrace that you couldn’t be there to lend your support, due to the staggering incompetence of z-grade imbeciles.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 22, 2022 9:12 am

Gabor

It’s amazing that Ed isn’t bothered by being continually wrong, I wonder what this condition is called?

Terminal fuckwittery?

Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 9:13 am

ATHENS, GA – Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams shocked Americans this week when she insisted we need abortion because “having children is why you’re worried about the price of gas.” She later followed up her comments by reminding everyone they can reduce their bills to zero by just killing themselves.

“As it turns out, not being alive anymore solves almost all economic problems,” said Abrams on Morning Joe. “And if there are fewer people alive, that means fewer mouths to feed and fewer problems in general! I’m very compassionate!”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 9:14 am

lotocotisays:
October 22, 2022 at 9:11 am
Sweet Baby Cheeses.
Those flying Doritos have knocked out a lot of hinge pins.

America under Biden & the Democraps really do want to start WWIII to deflect from November elections

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/10/to-defend-ukraine-it-is-time-to-strike-iran/

Zatara
Zatara
October 22, 2022 9:19 am

Zatara, can’t the speaker recall the Congress post mid-terms for a pre-Christmas sitting?

FTB, it’s possible, but at this point the 6 Jan committee is not scheduled to meet. As far as actually getting Trump in front of them (unless he chooses to), impossible.

So it’s a spiteful pre mid-term gesture which is going to backfire on them.

JC
JC
October 22, 2022 9:19 am

Eighteen years ago, Australia’s climate commissioner and climate activist Tim Flannery predicted that Australia’s reservoirs would not be able to be filled due to the lack of rain caused by alleged climate change (synonymous with the lack of global warming). Since then, there has been a series of floods in Australia especially in La Niña years.

We need the fuckhead to announce Australia is going to turn into a giant lake in order for the rain to stop.

calli
calli
October 22, 2022 9:20 am

Flannery is a Mammologist and Palaeontologist.

How he was ever regarded as a weather predictor is a mystery. Perhaps Climatology required too much mathematics.

calli
calli
October 22, 2022 9:21 am

Chuckle. The system is happy with “Mean Comments” about Flanners but not wonder at engineering marvels.

😀

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 22, 2022 9:23 am

A meaningless political gesture as the 6 Jan committee voted for that in the final minutes of their final session. They will not meet again this year and will probably not even exist after the next Congress is seated on 3 Jan 2023.

Oh no, I hope it does exist after 3 Jan. With a whole bunch of Republicans subpoenaing Dems one after another, then prosecuting them all for contempt after failing to answer, lying or not turning up. They could start with Hillary and work down the list. It would be glorious.

Struth
October 22, 2022 9:26 am

Thou art lost in precipitation.
For the dams will never fill and thou shall all die of thirst.

Taketh short showers.

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2022 9:28 am

Too wet for gardening in Melbourne, heavy rain in the night, and it’s continuing to pour now.

MatrixTransform
October 22, 2022 9:28 am

The moral of the story is don’t fly with an airline you haven’t used before unless you know someone who’s had a good experience.

should have asked.

we flew Philippines Air to Cebu City and specifically and repeatedly told them that we don’t want to go through Mindinao (Davao).

wasnt very long after this … On March 4, 2003, a bomb exploded in the waiting shed outside the old terminal building, killing 21 people. At least 145 others were injured

so, naturally we spent 4 hours in Davao being scrutinized by the hijab-ed and beardo-s with machine guns

we were a pretty diverse bunch of people of different races and sexes so the local crew didn’t exactly know what to make of us all.

copped more that one evil-eye though

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 22, 2022 9:30 am

Gina Rinehart is a polarising figure in business, politics and the media
It’s the loopy left in all those fields who do the polarising, not Gina.
We’ll take a cup o’ kindness yet, for Old Lang’s Scion.

Struth
October 22, 2022 9:30 am

“Has to get better” says the beslubbering, boorish, whey faced strumpet.
Taketh ye outside and promptly giveth yourself an uppercut.

Ye are terminally thick.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2022 9:31 am

Microsoft is now promoting “40 different LGBTQIA+ communities”.
I can’t keep up.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 22, 2022 9:34 am

Weekend Australian, she said testing the ­literacy of students starting high school would be a “good idea’’.

Cough NAPLAN cough cough and schools all formally test year 7 in the first weeks

I have argued that NAPLAN should be done in the years 2, 4,6 which corresponds to the end of a “stage”.

Can I have 3.5mill please?

FMD where do they find these people? By the time students reach high school it is way too late and bad habits and attitudes are entrenched. Put a kid in any class in any subject at high school and I can guarantee that in a week their teachers will have a pretty good idea of their literacy and numeracy. We don’t need formal testing. Another issue is if a student is hauled out class(subject) for remedial literacy/numeracy they miss out on the content of that class.*

Primary school teachers have long argued years 1 & 2 should all be about literacy and numeracy with NO syllabuses at that level for anything else… Sure use history, science, art , music as hooks but waste no time assessing and reporting on them. The corollary for this would be is that year1&2 teaching becomes a specialist teaching area with particular training in literacy and numeracy. Then there is the whole issue of the books at high school being not boy friendly and reading for the pleasure of reading seems to have gone by the wayside. Given the lessons I have had to cover, if I, a massive reader who reads just about anything, find the books and the analysis the kids have to do, tedious, what hope does a reluctant reader have . And this harkens back to the Shakespeare discussion on the old thread I had a feminist teacher almost turn me off my favourite play(Othello – because of Verdi’s Opera), and another teacher,at uni, bring my least favourite, Winter’s Tale to life so I enjoyed and appreciated them.

* There are schools in the US that use a slightly approach to the ones I have seen used… Instead of trying to “catch the kids up”, they do what the class does, but with more focus and teach missing required concepts at the same time. Eg if they were doing simplification (of the type Xsquared *2xsquared = 12), they might be deficient in understanding powers and be taught that.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 22, 2022 9:35 am

Lidia Thorpe quizzed Home Affairs boss about suspected Rebel bikie
By James Massola and Lisa Visentin
October 22, 2022 — 5.00am

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe repeatedly questioned Home Affairs boss Mike Pezzullo about the status of a suspected member of the Rebels bikie gang who was facing deportation to New Zealand.

Thorpe took up the case of Jack Hobson, identified in court documents as an alleged member of the Rebels, with top department officials at a Senate estimates hearing in November 2021, arguing he should be released from immigration detention due to his Indigenous heritage.

Earlier that year, two staffers to Thorpe had raised concerns with her and then with Greens leader Adam Bandt’s office that she was in an undisclosed relationship with former Rebels bikie president Dean Martin while she was a member of the joint parliamentary law enforcement committee, which receives briefings on organised crime and bikie gangs.

Martin’s brother late Shane Martin, who was the father of Richmond star Dustin, was deported to New Zealand because of his links to the Rebels and criminal history.

The revelation of Thorpe’s undisclosed relationship with Martin led to Bandt asking her to resign as deputy senate leader on Thursday, prompted Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to call for a full explanation of the matter from Bandt and for Opposition Leader Peter Dutton to call for her resignation from parliament.

“The fact that he apparently wasn’t aware of this information from Senator Thorpe, even though it was reported to his office, clearly shows that they need to change their procedures that are in place,” Albanese said.

Bandt on Thursday called her actions a “significant error of judgement” and integrity experts raised concerns about the perception of a conflict of interest for Thorpe, who said she had “briefly dated” Martin.

The law enforcement committee chair, Labor senator Helen Polley, said Thorpe should consider her future in the Senate, as she launched an inquiry into what confidential briefings the Greens senator received about motorcycle gangs and organised crime while a member of the committee during the last parliament.

Hobson was detained in February 2020 and was facing deportation under the Migration Act because, according to Federal Court documents, “the minister has identified that Mr Hobson does not pass the character test”.

That was because “the minister reasonably suspects that Mr Hobson has been or is a member of a group or organisation, or has had or has an association with a group, organisation or person that has been or is involved in criminal conduct within the meaning of s 501(6)(b) of the Migration Act”.

Zatara
Zatara
October 22, 2022 9:35 am

Oh no, I hope it does exist after 3 Jan. With a whole bunch of Republicans subpoenaing Dems one after another, then prosecuting them all for contempt after failing to answer, lying or not turning up. They could start with Hillary and work down the list. It would be glorious.

Alas, if the committee exists, so does its subpoena.

Allow it to rot into history, man up a new committee with a nice creative name, and do exactly what you described!

m0nty
m0nty
October 22, 2022 9:37 am

I see the Federalist is now embracing my formulation of modern conservatism: to wit, that it is not conservative at all. The new alternative given by that author is theocratic fascism, unsurprisingly. At least he is being honest about it, at long last.

Struth
October 22, 2022 9:38 am

Good Mourning.
Choo Choo, oh Choo Choo…
Where f’art thou Choo Choo?

Ticketh, ticketh, ticketh……

Death to Traitors.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 9:38 am

The Dangers of ‘Catastrophic Consequences’

Sixty years after the Cuban missile crisis, Biden is re-creating nuclear deterrence on the fly.

Any U.S. policy of catastrophic consequences therefore raises several urgent questions. Above all, what is the threshold for risking direct conflict with Russia, military or otherwise? Would it be any Russian use of atomic weapons? Would it require Moscow targeting civilians? What about a nuclear demonstration shot—or a single low-yield weapon on Ukrainian troops or infrastructure? What if Putin uses a nuclear electromagnetic pulse weapon that temporarily paralyzes the Ukrainian government in Kyiv? And what if the Russians target the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, possibly creating a wartime Chernobyl?

By raising the rhetorical bar so high, Washington may be foreclosing options to control nuclear brinkmanship. It may be maneuvering itself, not just Moscow, into a corner. It is comforting to think that a powerful U.S. response to any Russian nuclear use would cap hostilities and so punish Moscow that it forgoes further escalation. The reality may not be so clean-cut.

The Conundrum perfectly summed up by “When Would you Push the Button”

Yes Prime Minister – Salami Tactics and Nuclear Deterrent

Extremely prescient in todays’ Ukraine Situation

and

The Red Hot Nuclear Button – Yes, Prime Minister – Comedy Greats

calli
calli
October 22, 2022 9:41 am

My little sister is eight years younger than me. She started school literate because I taught her to read. No amount of garbage Whole Word 60’s and early 70’s “teaching” shook this ability.

A bookworm all her life, she’s now in Seventh Heaven. She’s a librarian. 😀

Struth
October 22, 2022 9:42 am

Hitler was a socialist.
A Fascist.

To be or not to be …..a racist, that is the question……If thou art a racist, thou must first be a collectivist.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 22, 2022 9:43 am

Tim Blair:

Representatives from this $80 billion per year behemoth recently turned up to carry out surprise inspections of Australian prisons.
The plan was for these UN overlords, from a subcommittee on the prevention of torture, to tour various facilities for 12 days.
After which they’d all head back to New York to compose a report that would no doubt condemn Australia as a brutal place where all prisoners are routinely mistreated.
That is generally the way of things with the UN. Western nations always come off as wicked in the UN’s view.
Most Australian states complied with the UN’s wishes. That is a matter for them. If citizens living in the likes of Victoria or Queensland wish to cede sovereignty to an unelected and unrepresentative foreign power, good luck to them.
But NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet held firm, refusing prison access to the UN team.
“Our prison system is there ultimately for one thing, and that is to keep the great people of NSW safe,” Perrottet told parliament
“In our state, we have significant oversight processes in place.”
Wily UN operatives, however, were not done yet. After being rebuffed, seven inspectors rocked up to the Queanbeyan Court Cells on Tuesday night.
They stuck around for two hours, demanding cell access and wanting to talk with prisoners.
Authorities at the cells didn’t budge. They sent the UN packing, for the same reason anybody else would have been turned away.
As a Corrective Services NSW spokesman told The Daily Telegraph, the group was “refused access to the cells as they did not have prior approval”.
The UN thought they were above the rules. They quickly found out, though, that in NSW the same rules apply across the board.
Upset by their rejection, the UN representatives allegedly threatened “grave” consequences for the NSW government.
Good luck with that. To attack the NSW government, the UN would first have to go through the people of NSW.
And the UN have shown that they just are not up to it. They’ve already been soundly defeated by a couple of night duty officers at the lockup on Farrar Place.
Bye-bye, United Nations. We look forward to your report.

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2022 9:44 am

La Niña continues to ravage Australia for the third year in a row, and for the third time this year – instead of the increasing drought that was predicted a few years ago – Australia is experiencing repeated flooding.

ABC RN this morning…climate change! climate change! climate change!

People with earned doctorates who believe Australia can change the weather with more windmills & solar panels.

Much concern expressed for those flooded, but not one mentions dams.

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2022 9:46 am

Looks like someone is cutting and pasting their comments from Ye Olde Shakespearian News of Cairns now.
Airlines are competitive businesses, it’s in their interests to improve their customer service. There’s been a huge surge in demand for travel, not surprisingly its nowhere near back to 2019 levels.
Now the heavy hand of government restrictions has been somewhat lifted, I expect it will start to improve, but things will be crazy until Christmas.

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2022 9:48 am

Upset by their rejection, the UN representatives allegedly threatened “grave” consequences for the NSW government.

Grave consequences?

They’ve threateneed not to come back.

Sounds like a win to me.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 22, 2022 9:49 am

Since Covid started I have read many blogs and listened to many podcasts about Covid / Vax related issues.

For those who are not aware of it by far the best source of collated information is the web page Totality of Evidence. Has a huge amount of information under various subjects such as Timeline, Experts, Resources etc. Resources leads you into many topics such as each Vax, pregnancy, and documentaries such as Second Opinion and Battleground Melbourne. Also has a section on the available books by various Dr’s and experts.

For experts all Australians should be made aware of Dr Phillip Altman and you will find him and related articles and video clips in the experts area. Naturally not yet seen him mentioned in mainstream media and can guarantee if he is they will use the term “anti vaxxer” to describe him.

The site looks like comes out of Adelaide and the guy who put it together deserves a medal.

If you have friends of relatives or even bosses who need information this is the place to find it.

It blows my mind that there are still organisations insisting on the Vax as a condition of employment.

Say No to the next one or they will not stop.

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2022 9:53 am

My little sister is eight years younger than me. She started school literate because I taught her to read.

Ditto…my mum taught me phonetics and had me practice on the headlines in the daily newspaper.

Then came Little Golden Books…Rupert the Rhinoceros was my favourite.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
October 22, 2022 9:57 am

This is what passes for conservatism in England in 2022. This guy belongs in 1950s Soviet Union. He even boasts about the great reset while trying to usher in globalist WEF puppet Rishi Sunak.

“The free mkt experiment is over – it’s been a low point in our Party’s great history.

The reset begins.

Time for centrist, stable, fiscally responsible Government offering credible domestic & international leadership.

Honoured to be the 100th Tory MP to support #Ready4Rishi”

This is a coup. The mere fact that Liz Truss had 100% negative press before the ink was dry on her becoming PM tells you all you need to know.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 22, 2022 9:57 am

PS forgot to mention Club Grubbery run by ex Qantas pilot Graham Hood and John Larter ex NSW paramedic. Mentioned before but no harm again.

Hoody is currently on a tour of Qld doing talks most days. I went to one the other day and close to 300 like minded people. Unfortunately the crowd average age over 60 so something needs to be done to get the young involved and active.

Type Club Grubbery into Google and you will find it on Facebook. A recent good interview was with Dr Phillip Altman and Rowan Dean of Spectator magazine and Sky / Outsiders.

Quadrant also has a number of articles by Altman up on their site. Dr Robert Clancy’s also.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 22, 2022 9:59 am

Can anybody reach beyond the paywall …

Homes Victoria warns it won’t have enough money to cover ’core business expenditure’ without bailout

An agency that is propped up with cash from the Andrews government’s Big Housing Build is facing financial ruin.
Shannon Deery
Shannon Deery
@s_deery
2 min read
October 21, 2022 – 8:00PM
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Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says his government’s Big Housing Build program is the “biggest” boost to public, social, and affordable housing in “the…
State Election.

Victoria’s new public housing operator is under threat with a massive bailout needed to save it from financial collapse.

Homes Victoria has warned Treasurer Tim Pallas that without a significant cash injection it won’t have enough money to cover “core business expenditure”.

The agency was created in 2020 to oversee public housing, community housing and crisis accommodation in over 64,000 public houses across the state.

But a ministerial briefing, released under Freedom of Information, shows the delivery of program services is at high risk because of Homes Victoria’s dire financial position.

Infrastructure maintenance, the capability to meet operational requirements, compliance and financial sustainability are also at risk.

Despite a recent increase to its base funding, the agency continues to operate at an unsustainable loss.

It is being propped up with cash from the Andrews Government’s signature Big Housing Build.

The $5.3bn project has repeatedly been touted as the “largest single investment in social and affordable housing in any state or territory’s history”.

The true scale of Homes Victoria’s financial troubles is unknown, with the state government keeping secret the underlying deficit.

“In its 2021-22 Annual Budget, HV is forecasting an underlying deficit of (redacted) in 2021-22, despite the increase in its base funding,” December’s ministerial briefing warned.

“This deficit will be covered by cash received to deliver the Big Housing Build (BHB) program, enabling HV to maintain the Government’s minimum (redacted) cash-at-bank requirement.

“However, HV also anticipates that without additional financial sustainability measures in place, the cumulative effect of operating deficits in the short term will erode its cash balances and compromise the Government’s cash-at-bank requirement.

“The receipt of BHB funding ahead of payment timelines will mask the effects of the shortfall on HV’s cash position over the next couple of years.

“However, once BHB payments are made, and without additional financial sustainability strategies in place, HV estimates that there will be insufficient cash to maintain the (redacted) cash balance target and cover core business expenditure.”

A government spokesman said the core operations of Homes Victoria were largely funded by rental income derived from public housing tenants.

She said over a decade rental revenues and funding from the Commonwealth National Housing and Homelessness Agreement had declined in real terms.

“About 50 per cent of Homes Victoria’s revenue comes from rents collected from tenants and 45 per cent from the Commonwealth’s National Housing and Homelessness Agreement – which over the past 10 years, the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison Government failed to adequately fund,” she said.

Shadow Treasurer, David Davis, described the situation as a “financial catastrophe”.

“Some of the most vulnerable people in our community depend on Homes Victoria, but Daniel Andrews’ incompetence and mismanagement has put them at risk,” he said.

“Financial management matters because running Homes Victoria into the ground as Andrews and Labor have done compromises its ability to deliver for those vulnerable people for whom it has responsibility.

“Labor cannot be trusted with money. Everywhere you look across government there are growing deficits and surging debt with their waste and mismanagement putting critical government services at risk.

“This FOI has blown the whistle on Treasurer Pallas’ financial irresponsibility in allowing Big Housing Build money to be cannibalised to prop up the financial basket case that is Homes Victoria.”

Mr Davis said refusing to reveal the underlying deficit smacked of a cover-up.

“Things are not getting better, they are getting worse under Labor. Now the Treasurer is knowingly misusing housing capital money to prop up a failing system,” he said.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
October 22, 2022 10:00 am
calli
calli
October 22, 2022 10:02 am

I taught my own children to read too, Roger. And then the older ones would read to the younger and turn about. It all seemed so natural.

My favourites were a lushly illustrated Aesop and Odham’s Treasury of Wonderful Tales. Still have them on the bookshelf. Perhaps I’ll dust them off for the grandies.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 10:04 am

Insufferable J6 Committee Files Political Subpoena for President Trump Testimony as a Midterm Loss Election Shield and Insurance Policy

Yesterday, Politico noted President Trump had enlisted the law firm of Harmeet Dhillon as a proactive measure against a J6 subpoena. “Former President Donald Trump has hired a firm to engage with the Jan. 6 select committee on its forthcoming subpoena of him, POLITICO has learned.” {link} Less than a day later the J6 committee issues the formal subpoena.

Once again, the corrupt DC institutional system, and specific media participation, are identified by the leaks and recipients. The injustice system, DOJ/FBI always use the New York Times and Politico as their advanced public relations firms. The insufferable J6 subpoena details can be FOUND HERE.

The committee is giving President Trump until November 4th to comply with the document request, with a demand for testimony by November 16th.

No president (executive branch) has ever been forced to give testimony to a legislative committee (legislative branch) because the very foundation of the demand violates the separation of powers as established in the constitution. This legal argument will take some time to work itself out, and the (un)likelihood of the subpoena being successful speaks to the political nature of the theatrics in advance of the 2022 midterm election.

That said, having been the recipient of two J6 subpoenas, successfully defeated – in part thanks to your support, I can provide some insight into why President Trump enlisted the Dhillon Law Firm.

At least from my experience, there are only a handful of potential lawyers or law firms who will even take the case of a fight against a J6 committee subpoena because: (1) it is just so fraught with politics, and (2) the entire enterprise is a litigious and financial black hole.

The weaponized J6 committee has a bottomless budget, the J6 targets do not. Ultimately, the financial cost is the root cause of why Lawfare succeeds. It’s just too damned expensive to fight them off, even with great lawyers. I can only imagine how much Steve Bannon has spent, and how much President Trump will have to spend.

Even a simple responsive letter to the committee, depending on scale and scope, starts around $10,000 and goes up from there; that’s just for the initial response. If the initial response isn’t successful, the fight retainer starts around six figures for the next round… and that’s just a single and simple case. The more complex legal arguments are exponentially more costly for the targets. Justice system? Yeah, good luck with that.

Now, given the J6 subpoena against President Trump is likely to fail on constitutional grounds, let’s talk about the motive for why they would do this.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene??
@RepMTG

When are you going to subpoena @SpeakerPelosifor refusing to secure the Capitol on January 6th by purposely refusing President Trump’s requests for the National Guard to protect the Capitol?

Nancy Pelosi knew the intelligence reports and wouldn’t bring in the NG.

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2022 10:05 am

Honoured to be the 100th Tory MP to support #Ready4Rishi”

Mmm…you might want to look under the hood before you buy.

calli
calli
October 22, 2022 10:07 am

This is a coup. The mere fact that Liz Truss had 100% negative press

Including Tom’s toonists. I did wonder about that.

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2022 10:07 am

My favourites were a lushly illustrated Aesop and Odham’s Treasury of Wonderful Tales. Still have them on the bookshelf. Perhaps I’ll dust them off for the grandies.

I was given an illustrated Aesop along the way too, calli.

Btw, I just noticed some Little Golden Books are being reprinted by Penguin in the US.

Zatara
Zatara
October 22, 2022 10:10 am

Court: Fauci Must Testify Under Oath About Involvement in Social Media COVID Censorship

The Court has ordered Fauci, as well as several other high-profile defendants, to provide depositions in:

… a lawsuit brought by Missouri and Louisiana, later joined by others, against the Biden administration and it’s top officials allegedly involved in colluding with Big Tech and social media giants to censor alleged Covid misinformation (much of which we now know was not misinformation at all, just inconvenient facts).

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 10:12 am

A WORD TO THE WISE LIBERAL

I know, it’s a null set. But Greg Price (I don’t know who he is, but he is all over Twitter) offers a funny Public Service Announcement for the benefit of “all male Democratic staffers”:

Greg Price
@greg_price11

This is a PSA to all male Democrat staffers: If a really hot chick goes on a few dates with you, there’s a 75% chance that she works for James O’Keefe ??

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 22, 2022 10:14 am

Phonics is a proven failure, sending children to school age 5 is a proven failure, teaching arithmetic to children under 10 is a proven failure,
yet the Inquiries into the overall failure of Primary School education won’t
address these basic issues.

MatrixTransform
October 22, 2022 10:16 am

Ed must be on the Brekkie Bongs again

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
October 22, 2022 10:19 am

Including Tom’s toonists. I did wonder about that.

That’s the thing, Calli. I know nothing about her but that’s good, because it means I have no bias in the matter. They did it to Trump and it clearly worked, although he actually had some allies, unlike Truss.

Maajid gave an insightful review into what’s happening, including the completely manufactured fall of the Pound. When seen in context, it’s clearly a coup. He even de.onstratee that someone from Rishi’s office took the photo of Boris breaking covid lockdown rules.

It just shows again that politicians are too stupid to run countries. They can’t see obvious frauds in their midst, which means they haven’t lived and worked in the real world.

miltonf
miltonf
October 22, 2022 10:19 am

Thanks for that Black Ball- the parrot actually grew a pair for once. Credit where credit is due.
About time we told those marxist parasite c*nts from the UN to FUCK RIGHT OFF. I’m old enough to remember when some East German bitch from the World Council of Churches was poking her nose in our business.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 22, 2022 10:19 am

The new alternative given by that author is theocratic fascism, unsurprisingly. At least he is being honest about it, at long last.

No, m0nty-fa. Theocratic fascism is what the fascist left does, in the names of its various religions: Klimate, Diversity, Transgenderism, Equity of outcome (not equality of opportunity), and so many more.

The fascist left is polytheistic and fascist.

WolfmanOz
October 22, 2022 10:21 am

Bruce of Newcastle says:
October 22, 2022 at 9:23 am
A meaningless political gesture as the 6 Jan committee voted for that in the final minutes of their final session. They will not meet again this year and will probably not even exist after the next Congress is seated on 3 Jan 2023.
Oh no, I hope it does exist after 3 Jan. With a whole bunch of Republicans subpoenaing Dems one after another, then prosecuting them all for contempt after failing to answer, lying or not turning up. They could start with Hillary and work down the list. It would be glorious.

Exactly Bruce.

Assuming the GOP takes the House then they can use this committee to do untold damage against the Dems.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
October 22, 2022 10:21 am
MatrixTransform
October 22, 2022 10:25 am

No, m0nty-fa

I think mUnty may have had a sleep-over at Ed’s last night

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 22, 2022 10:25 am

As it turns out, not being alive anymore solves almost all economic problems,” said Abrams

Please tell me this is from the Babylon Bee. Please.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2022 10:26 am

Is it that wet in Melbourne?
The bookies are saying it is.
There could be some monster exotics today.
Nothing like a 80/1 shot rounding out a first four when you’ve boxed the field for fourth.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 22, 2022 10:26 am

There is no Fascist Left.
Fascism is always at the extreme Right of the spectrum, at the point where previously repressed AntiSocial drives are openly expressed.
We see it here every day with commenters wishing violence on deluded but peaceful protesters.

miltonf
miltonf
October 22, 2022 10:26 am

Thanks for that Beery- they are also doing their best to ensure Brexit is completely meaningless. I wonder what the King thinks of all this. Actually I think we all know.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 22, 2022 10:26 am

Homes Victoria has warned Treasurer Tim Pallas that without a significant cash injection it won’t have enough money to cover “core business expenditure”.

I suspect that “core business expenditure” equates to staff salaries and entitlements.

Infrastructure maintenance, the capability to meet operational requirements, compliance and financial sustainability are also at risk.

Confirmed.

miltonf
miltonf
October 22, 2022 10:26 am

There was a coup here in 2015 too you know.

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2022 10:28 am

Progressive don’t want middle class parents to read to their children because it’s not fair.
My two year old grandson is cross because he can’t read, though he did recognise the word ambulance on the hospital entrance a month ago, so has some idea.
I’ve promised to teach him next time I visit. I hope he doesn’t think it’s only going to take a couple of hours.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2022 10:31 am

One of the YouTube channels that was terminated was a libertarian channel with a micro following.
They put together a montage of establishment types saying some anti gay, racist things over the years.
Because Biden, Hillary featured prominently they believe they were targeted.
Channel gone.
Let’s see if the can re-birth it without activists targeting them.

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2022 10:31 am
Ed Case
Ed Case
October 22, 2022 10:31 am

My two year old grandson is cross because he can’t read, though he did recognise the word ambulance on the hospital entrance a month ago, so has some idea.
So, he’s already teaching himself to read.

MatrixTransform
October 22, 2022 10:32 am

Is it that wet in Melbourne?

just stopped where we are and we had about 3cm overnight

we got it fairly lightly still raining elsewhere

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 22, 2022 10:34 am

calli
A bookworm all her life, she’s now in Seventh Heaven. She’s a librarian.

In a Rachel “I am a librarian” Weisz kind of way?
Asking for a friend.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 10:35 am

Biden’s Diesel Fuel Supply Crisis Could Soon Cripple America in Ways Never Before Seen

Diesel doesn’t get as much of the limelight as oil and gas, but it should because diesel fuel is the industrial lifeblood of the United States, and the price of diesel alone probably has a more significant impact on inflation and the prices you’re paying at the grocery store over any other factor. Without ample amounts of diesel, semi-trucks don’t move, farms are shut down, and critical manufacturing sectors are crippled.

As Bloomberg noted this week, “The US has just 25 days of diesel supply, the lowest since 2008, according to the Energy Information Administration. At the same time, the four-week rolling average of distillates supplied, a proxy for demand, rose to its highest seasonal level since 2007.”

The Biden administration has remained strangely silent, probably hoping that the dismal news doesn’t hit the mainstream because it’s a total political timebomb waiting to go off, especially as the midterm elections are so close.

Bloomberg noted:

The diesel crunch comes just weeks ahead of the midterm elections and has the potential to drive up prices for consumers who already view inflation and the economy as a top voting issue. Retail prices have been steadily climbing for more than two weeks. At $5.324 a gallon, they’re 50% higher than this time last year, according to AAA data.

Taking from
@JavierBlas

“US has just 106 million barrels of diesel stockpiles. Last time inventories were that low in mid-October was in 1951. Inventories should be 30% higher this time of the year.” Fed have another wave of energy-led inflation coming? https://bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-10-18/diesel-price-over-200-a-barrel-leaving-biden-with-ugly-choices

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 22, 2022 10:37 am

Ed Casesays:
October 22, 2022 at 10:26 am
There is no Fascist Left.
Fascism is always at the extreme Right of the spectrum, at the point where previously repressed AntiSocial drives are openly expressed.
We see it here every day with commenters wishing violence on deluded but peaceful protesters.

Richard Cranium again displays his gross ignorance. (Define gross ignorance: 144 Ed Cases.)

Mussolini: Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

Clearly Mussolini was a conservative.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 10:39 am

The Morning Briefing: Fetterman’s Wife Is Giving Off a Creepy Jill Biden Vibe

I have largely avoided writing about John Fetterman because I haven’t quite been able to figure out what’s going on there. I’m talking about stuff that doesn’t have anything to do with the stroke, which we will get to shortly.

The guy dresses like a stoner uncle who has spent the last 30 years reliving the six months he spent in a ska band when he was 19. An uncle who you’re sure does weird things to your hamster when you’re not around. He really does seem like proof that most of the Democrat votes cast in and around the Philadelphia area are done so by dead people.

Normally even someone as callous as I would avoid criticizing a stroke victim. Fetterman has, however, made himself fair game by deciding that he would rather be a United States senator than tend to his health.

Or has he?

Is this still John Fetterman’s dream or has it become his wife’s dream?

I wasn’t even aware of Gisele Fetterman until last weekend when she pitched a hissy fit because NBC News conducted an interview with her husband and didn’t doctor it to make him seem all there. Let’s be honest here, the members of the mainstream media don’t have a lot of energy for that kind of thing after dealing with President LOLEightyonemillion every day.

Since that day last weekend, everything is coming up Gisele Fetterman. They may not be campaigning from a basement, but she’s definitely giving off that “I am my husband’s handler” vibe that Jill Biden first began showing in the summer of 2020. Back in July 2020, I wrote that Jill Biden wanted to be “Edith Wilson 2.0.” It’s now becoming obvious that Gisele Fetterman would like to be Jill Biden 2.0 or, a more apt comparison, Edith Wilson 3.0.

This is from a Twitchy post on Thursday:

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 22, 2022 10:40 am

The Firefighter didn’t think things thru when he grabbed the tiger by the tail.
He was gonna end up killing the guy on the ground, so Self Defence.
Moral:
Play silly games, win silly prizes

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 22, 2022 10:45 am

sending children to school age 5 is a proven failure

I wonder if Ed has a Case here.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 22, 2022 10:45 am

So “Senator” Thorpe is now shown top as advocating for a member of the Rebels bike group – while on the committee to look into bikie crime.

How long before someone looks up “how to expel a member of parliament” in the books?

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 22, 2022 10:45 am

“top” should be “to be”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 22, 2022 10:46 am

Immigration to Pakistan

As of 2009, an estimated 2.1% of the population of Pakistan had foreign origins. However, the number of immigrants in Pakistan recently grew sharply. Immigrants from South Asia make up a growing proportion of immigrants in Pakistan. The largest group of immigrants in Pakistan is Bangladeshi, followed by Afghan, Tajik, Uzbek, Turkmen, Indian, Sri Lankan, Burmese, and Briton.

Other expatriate communities in Pakistan are Armenians, Australians, Iranians, Turks, Iraqis, Chinese,Americans, previously Bosnian refugees, and many others. Migrants from different countries of Arab World, especially Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Kuwait, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen, are in the thousands. Nearly all illegal migrants in Pakistan are Muslim refugees and they are accepted by the local population. There is no political support or legislation to deport these refugees from Pakistan.

As of December 2020, around 1,435,445 registered Afghan refugees reside and work in Pakistan. Most of them reside in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan, Pakistan. They are expected to leave Pakistan and return to Afghanistan in the coming years.

In addition, about 500 Somalis, 60–80 Iraqis and 20–30 Iranians were reported to be temporarily residing in cities such as Islamabad, Rawalpindi and Karachi. Nearly all of these are asylum seekers waiting to be resettled in countries of the Americas, Europe or Oceania.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 22, 2022 10:52 am

War memorial caught in the crossfire

With three explosive sentences, Australian War Memorial Council chairman Brendan Nelson has unleashed a fierce culture war over how best to exhibit the history of frontier violence.

By Cameron Stewart

From Inquirer
October 21, 2022
10 minute read
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Should one of the country’s most sacred institutions, the Australian War Memorial, do more to commemorate the colonial violence committed against Aboriginal people? It is a contentious question that has bubbled away quietly for years without capturing headlines or broad national attention, until now.

Yet with three explosive sentences, the chairman of the War Memorial Council, Brendan Nelson, has unleashed a fierce culture war between progressives and traditionalists which has seen the venerable War Memorial caught in no-man’s land.

“The council has made the decision that we will have a much broader, much deeper depiction and presentation of the violence committed against Aboriginal people, initially by British, then by pastoralists, then by police and by Aboriginal militia,” Nelson said late last month.

Nelson was speaking about the plans for the new Memorial galleries to be built under the $550m expansion to be completed in 2028.

But to many on both sides of this debate, Nelson’s words were interpreted as a fundamental shift in the role of the War Memorial and an official recognition that frontier conflicts were a central part of Australia’s war history.

The Minister for Indigenous Australians, Linda Burney, said she was “thrilled” the War Memorial “will be reflecting the true ­history of this country and the wars that were fought on this land by our people for their land”.

Filmmaker Rachel Perkins, whose recent documentary series The Australian Wars helped reveal the breadth and brutality of the frontier wars, described Nelson’s comments as a “watershed moment”.

Historian Henry Reynolds said it sounded like the Memorial was finally “going to take it up and deal with it seriously”, while ABC Radio National breakfast host ­Patricia Karvelas praised it as “the beginning of something seismic and defining for Australia’s national identity”.

But news that the Memorial would expand its depiction of frontier violence saw RSL branches across the country flooded with calls from angry veterans who accused the Memorial of abandoning its purpose. RSL Australia president Greg Melick said it was a story which should be told by the National Museum of Australia rather than the War Memorial.

Opposition veteran’s affairs spokesman Barnaby Joyce said he “opposed any move that could put the Australian War Memorial at the centre of partisan political ­debate”.

“The fundamental element is that the War Memorial was built in sacred recognition of wars that Australians fought as a nation, unified against an external foe. It is not to be a memorial for conflicts within Australia,” Joyce said.

Peta Credlin, conservative commentator and a former adviser to Coalition prime minister Tony Abbott – who is a member of the AWM council – went further, saying the move was “the latest attempt to make Australians feel uncomfortable about our past”. “Why turn an institution that should be a source of unity and pride into one of division and shame?”

The question at the heart of this debate is not a reprisal of the so-called History Wars of the early 2000s because there is now much broader acceptance that the frontier violence against Aboriginals between 1788 and Federation was extensive and deadly.

Historians estimate that around 20,000 Aboriginals were killed in frontier violence as well as around 2500 non-Indigenous people, but some claim the figure of Aboriginal deaths is much higher, potentially exceeding 60,000.

A survey by Reconciliation Australia has found that 64 per cent of people now accept the reality of frontier wars, compared to 6 per cent who did not and 30 per cent who were unsure.

Even those who oppose the AWM’s position on frontier violence do not dispute that there is an important story to be told about the frontier wars, they just say that the War Memorial is not the right institution to tell it.

The War Memorial opened to the public in 1941 and for more than 40 years it did not seriously entertain the idea that frontier ­violence should form a part of its exhibits. The Memorial’s mission statement, consistent with the vision of the man who conceived it, war historian Charles Bean, was “to commemorate the sacrifice of those Australians who have died in war or on operational service and those who have served our nation in times of conflict”.

The notion of internal violence in Australia, without formal armies and opposing nations, was not a part of Bean’s vision.

It was not until the mid-1980s that frontier violence was acknowledged at all in the Memorial’s galleries. But this acknowledgment has continued to be on a small scale and exists, in the Memorial’s own words, to “provide the necessary context” to “understand the Australian experience of war”.

But times have changed and Australia is now confronting a range of Indigenous issues more openly, from the stolen generations, to frontier violence, to the forthcoming referendum on a voice to parliament.

Veterans’ Affairs Minister Matt Keogh says it is the duty of all cultural institutions to “raise awareness across the country about the importance of frontier conflict and the impact that it had on our First Nations people and to properly reflect upon and understand our history”.

The sticking point is whether this is primarily the role of the War Memorial or other national institutions such as the National Museum of Australia which legislated role includes the telling of Aboriginal history.

The AWM council debated this question twice this year behind closed doors, with the second meeting in mid-year reaching a majority – but not unanimous agreement – to expand the commemoration of frontier violence in the new Memorial galleries.

Insiders say the council’s discussion was prompted by a confluence of several factors, including the expected impact of Perkins’ documentary series and a lobbying campaign from the Memorial’s staff to give greater attention to the issue.

However, Inquirer understands that the expansion of the frontier violence gallery is to be far more modest than many were led to believe after Nelson’s comments last month. There are no plans to create a major new permanent exhibition on frontier violence that would come close to rivalling the prominence given to the World Wars or to Vietnam. In fact, current plans for a new gallery include only a modestly expanded exhibition on frontier violence to sit alongside other colonial conflicts including the Boer War, Sudan, the Maori Wars and the Boxer Rebellion.

“The whole thing has been stuffed up, mainly by the press,” says Melick, who is a member of the AWM Council. “Brendan Nelson didn’t say we were having major new galleries on the frontier wars. He said we will probably do a wider and deeper treatment of it. The RSL doesn’t have a problem with that. But others have taken his comments to mean that the War Memorial will have a major new feature on frontier wars and I can tell you that a major feature on frontier wars will piss off the majority of Australia’s 600,000 veterans.”

Melick says his office has been “inundated” with phone calls from concerned veterans fearing that the Memorial’s focus was changing from the soldiers who fought and died for Australia.

Melick says the portrayal of frontier wars within the Memorial should be a limited one because other institutions should be telling that story.

“Have a look at the National Museum of Australia Act where it talks about their responsibility to tell Aboriginal history. Now go and try to find the frontier wars in the National Museum – good luck if you can find it,” he says.

Melick says the full story of the frontier wars should be told by both the National Museum and by the new $320m Ngurra facility to be built in the parliamentary triangle to form a new cultural ­precinct to commemorate the diversity of Indigenous Australians.

“This is a war memorial and the frontier violence (was not a war) … it was not a war between ­nations,” he says.

The question of whether frontier violence amounted to a “war” is hotly contested, with both the AWM and the government deliberately avoiding the use of the word “war”. The argument is central to the debate over what weight a national war memorial should give to these conflicts.

Reynolds, historian and honorary professor in Aboriginal studies at the University of Tasmania, believes that frontier violence did amount to a war. He says the 1992 Mabo decision which recognised Indigenous land rights meant that the conflicts were fought over ownership and control of land, the traditional spoils of war.

Reynolds says that the Memorial needs to change with the times. “The standard retreating point is that it is not the purpose that was there when the Memorial was set up and it is not in the statute establishing it,” he says.

“Well, that is true – but the world has changed.”

He believes the question ultimately comes down to whether Aboriginals are truly considered a part of Australia. “The question is are these First Nation men and women our countrymen or not? Are they people whose suffering, fighting and resistance should be commemorated as we commemorate those who went to war?”

Nelson and the AWM council are treading a precarious line through this debate, trying to prevent the Memorial from drifting too far from its original purpose while also trying to reflect the values of a modern Australia.

The council’s decision to approve a modest expansion of the frontier violence exhibits is an attempt to find a compromise solution but it has angered those at both extremes of the debate.

Professor Peter Stanley of UNSW Canberra and a former principal historian with the AWM says that if there is only a “modest” expansion of frontier violence ­exhibits it would be an insult to First Nations people.

“Including a few spears and muskets in a showcase in a ‘Pre-1914 gallery’ would be worse than ignoring it,” he tells Inquirer.

“So a series of conflicts extending across the entire continent over a century costing 60-80,000 lives would get a corner of a gallery also dealing with the 1885 Sudan expedition which left just nine dead? That would be an insult.

“The Memorial’s intransigence leads me to observe that it’s had a change of mind, not a change of heart. The Memorial needs change at the top. Its council has long reflected attitudes now seriously out of step with today’s Australia.”

The Albanese government backed, but did not pressure, the council in its decision to increase the Memorial’s focus on frontier violence. However, the government, which has pushed for greater “truth telling” about Australia’s colonial history, could choose to influence the AWM’s decisions on frontier violence by making targeted council appointments.

The actual configuration of the expanded Pre-1914 galleries, which will include frontier violence exhibits, will be guided in part by veterans and by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander advisory groups. Nelson says the AWM has already accumulated 63 artworks depicting frontier violence but will need to source more exhibits from other institutions.

Nelson, a former AWM director who will leave the council in November, is frustrated that his comments have triggered such a strong reaction from all sides. He denies that the expansion of frontier violence exhibits will undermine the AWM’s central purpose.

“As we have had for well over a decade, in the new galleries we will professionally and sensitively present the story of frontier violence perpetrated against Aboriginal Australians to set the context for their service to and suffering for Australia,” he tells Inquirer from Washington DC.

“It will be of modest dimensions. It will also complement the full story of the relationship between the First Australians and Europeans that is the responsibility of the National Museum of Australia. I also look forward to the Ngurra facility to present much of this sad history in the axis on the other side of the lake.”

But Nelson says the Memorial also needs to adapt to changing public expectations even if it is not the primary institution which should be telling the story of frontier violence.

“While we remain true to Charles Bean’s vision for the Memorial in a world he could not possibly have imagined, there is a growing expectation from a new generation of Australians that this is a part of our story and an important one to be found, in part, at the AWM,” he said.

“Australia has changed and is changing but the expectations of a new generation of Australians is that the Memorial will present some of this, and that’s essentially what we’ve decided to do.

“In the end I believe this is the right thing to do but it will be proportionate, sensitive and modest, because the main place for telling the story is the National Museum of Australia.”

60,000 Aborigines killed in the “Frontier Wars?” Forensic evidence?

Tom
Tom
October 22, 2022 10:52 am

There is no Fascist Left.

Thanks, Googleory. First belly laugh of the day.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 22, 2022 10:53 am

Just went into the spare room and checked. They’re still there, boxed up, about 20 of them.

The top two were Bambi and The Tawny Scrawny Lion.

I have no idea how many times I was taught to read with them, and then read them myself after that, and then taught my young bloke to read with them, and then watched him read them to bits after that. Millions. Billions of times. They’re still in reasonable nick, given the use they had.

Perhaps at some future point (although not too soon, thank you) he will do the same to his own children. I believe I will keep hold of my Little Golden Books, just in case.

It would be quite something to see a grandchild learning the language in the same manner I did.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2022 10:53 am

callisays:

October 22, 2022 at 8:34 am

I have to say it…I’m heartily sick of “Internal Server Errors”.

What is this?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 22, 2022 10:55 am

Old School Conservativesays:
October 22, 2022 at 10:45 am
sending children to school age 5 is a proven failure

I wonder if Ed has a Case here.

He may well do so, but what does that do to pre-school, and Juliar Gilliard’s RC into “early childhood education?”?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 22, 2022 10:55 am

And that’s why Segregation worked and Desegregation has been an abysmal failure.
Let’s take Missouri 1944:
Black guy rocks into Black owned store, starts berating Black lady behind counter over lack of unfiltered Chesterfields, told to fuck off by Black Fireman, retrieves gun from car, heads back to store, shot dead by Black Fireman.
White cops called, eyewitnesses say he had it coming, the morgue is summoned, everyone lives happily ever after.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 22, 2022 10:59 am

MatrixTransformsays:
October 22, 2022 at 10:25 am
No, m0nty-fa

I think mUnty may have had a sleep-over at Ed’s last night

The conversation went along the lines, “was it good for you too.”

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2022 11:01 am

Can’t be long before Lidia tries out the “I was young and inexperienced” defence now that there’s a concerted effort across party lines to force her to resign.

Personally, I hope she stays on; she’s going to lend a lot of credibility to the case for the inVoice.

JC
JC
October 22, 2022 11:03 am

Fascism is always at the extreme Right of the spectrum,

Lord, you’re an idiot. It’s not a “spectrum”, it’s a straight line and the more “extreme” you trave on the line towards the right, you end up with libertarianism and ultimately, anarchism (no government). That’s extreme right, you intellectual oaf.

“Fascism is just a different room to socialism belonging to the same totalitarian house”.

The quote is paraphrasing Dover’s comment one time, which I thought was a pretty decent description.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 22, 2022 11:03 am

I wonder if Ed has a Case here.

He may well do so, but what does that do to pre-school, and Juliar Gilliard’s RC into “early childhood education?”?

Who cares about any of that shit?
You’re carrying water for the Labor Party again.
Sending children to school age 5 didn’t work for the vast majority when I went there in the early 60s, most of them still can’t read well or do mental arithmetic.

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