Open Thread – Weekend 29 Oct 2022


Still Life with Dahlias, Zinnias, Hollyhocks and Plums, Eugène Delacroix, 1835


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JC
JC
October 31, 2022 3:36 pm

Thanks Dover. Appreciate it. Those comments by my battered hubbies have been dreadful today. Also very hurtful.

duncanm
duncanm
October 31, 2022 3:36 pm

Its mystery wrapped in a conundrum rammed up the arse of a justice minister like a turducken of unknowability….

gold ‘mole. gold!

Lysander
Lysander
October 31, 2022 3:37 pm

Newspoll on budget:

For the questions Newspoll asks after every budget, an even 29% rated it both good and bad for the economy, but 47% rated it negative for personal impact compared with only 12% for positive

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 31, 2022 3:37 pm

gets stripped of gear

forgot to add – a few police radios falling into the crowds hands would not only provide useful intell, it would play havoc with their net as they would need to change frequencies etc.

Note: our Ambulance radio’s were individually tagged and the network could locate them (so as to know where to send help if we pushed the duress button), so you would have to assume PoPo would be able to track down the missing handsets later.

duncanm
duncanm
October 31, 2022 3:38 pm

In the speech to AIC’s conference Leigh draws on his own academic work noting the incarceration rate in 1985 was 96 prisoners per 100,000 adults, a figure that reached 202 per 100,000 in 2022.
…Rates of murder have halved…

Prison population has doubled per. head of population, murder rates have halved.

Puzzling, indeed!

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 3:38 pm

That’s one of the best footings I’ve read. Look the face of the Censorious Indian bint in the Daily Mail pic.

How could you not enjoy this?

Lysander
Lysander
October 31, 2022 3:38 pm
JC
JC
October 31, 2022 3:40 pm

Dover

Would you mind taking this over to the other thread? I found it the most hurtful of them all. I’ve never in my life have worn panties over my head.

incoherent rambler says:
October 31, 2022 at 2:35 pm

JC wears panties on his head.

There we go. So much achieved in one short post.

Okay maybe once.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 31, 2022 3:42 pm

Figuressays:
October 31, 2022 at 12:48 pm

There are people on this site who actually believe that Wakefield is a bad guy

. Not me. Andrew Wakefield had no barrow to push vis a vis vaccines/autism. He was working at the London Free Hospital, he was a paediatric gastroenterologist. There were a number of children who were referred to him by other doctors who could not fathom what the problem was. His investigations began only to get to the bottom of the gastroenterological problems. He found that these children had ‘leaky guts’ and a number also seemed to have autism as well . The whole debacle started from there. Wakefield had never set out to discredit the MMR vaccines but merely listened to the parents, the eye-witnesses, investigated and reported.

I read a lot on this topic about 25 years ago because one of our legal staff worked very closely with Andrew Wakefield, met him on several occasions and even wrote a book on the topic of vaccination.

Does anyone remember an ABC reporter Megan James? she did a story I think on Four Corners about the possible link between autism and the MMR vaccine – she was absolutely crushed by the blowback, her career was very adversely affected. Don’t know where she is now. Last I found was she’d moved to Indonesia.

Lysander
Lysander
October 31, 2022 3:42 pm

I’ve seen videos of soldiers in Brazil forming roadblocks into voting centres… surely the United Nations* should be having a look at this?

*useless fucking cnuts.

johanna
johanna
October 31, 2022 3:44 pm

bons says:
October 31, 2022 at 2:33 pm

Apparently it is not true that Blue Poles is being donated to the sticky hands mob as a training aid.
Bugger!
Traitor Whitlams piss in our faces insult survives.

Much as it pains me to admit it, Blue Poles has something. I went to the Gallery to see it as full of scoffitude (!) as anyone. But, after standing in front of it for a few minutes, I have to acknowledge that it has ‘something.’ Just like the ‘something’ of the tiny, dark van Gogh buried in a corner of another exhibition I went to, which fascinated me well before I knew what it was.

At least it is a good investment. Don’t know the current figures, but the value skyrocketed years ago.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 31, 2022 3:44 pm

Whatever you think about Wakefield I was impressed to find out he is ex partner of Elle McPherson.

. Yes he is/was very handsome man.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 3:45 pm

The ACT Director of Public Prosecutions has confirmed that former Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann will face a retrial next year for the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins

In for a penny in for a pound.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 31, 2022 3:46 pm

Lysander.

That the pubic serpent vs privately employed ratio as well?

Lysander
Lysander
October 31, 2022 3:47 pm

LOL FM….. good point!!!

Figures
Figures
October 31, 2022 3:51 pm

The ACT Director of Public Prosecutions has confirmed that former Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann will face a retrial next year for the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins

In the last two years every single judge in Australia has ruled – contrary to everything Western legal experts have believed since the Magna Carta – that there are absolutely no restrictions on what governments can do if the governments say a few people have the sniffles.

Judges in Australia are clearly all lunatics. Obviously they should declare a permanent stay given Higgins’ behaviour but they won’t because they’re as bad as the politicians that they’re supposed to stand as a bulwark to.

Lysander
Lysander
October 31, 2022 3:53 pm

I agree Figures (with the exception of High Court Justices)

johanna
johanna
October 31, 2022 3:54 pm

Residents of SA, it is now policy that when the cost of publicly funded projects escalate, the answer is to spend more money because they are not ambitious enough.

Witness the latest bending of the knee with wallet extended called Tarrkari.

The former Labor government had proposed a contemporary art gallery for the same site next to the Adelaide Botanic Garden.

Work started in December after $115 million was allocated to the gallery in the 2020 state budget, with another $85 million coming from the Commonwealth.
A man wearing a suit speaks at a dais on a dark stage
Premier Peter Malinauskas at the Purrumpa: First Nations Arts and Cultural Gathering.(ABC News: Evelyn Manfield)

The review led by businesswoman Carolyn Hewson and former politicians Ken Wyatt and Bob Carr is due to be complete by Easter next year.

Speaking at the Purrumpa: First Nations Arts and Cultural Gathering at the Adelaide Convention Centre, Premier Peter Malinauskas said experts had advised the government that the $200 million budget would deliver a centre of state significance, rather than the international-level project that had been envisaged.

The current plans would cost at least $250 million, the premier said.

“A centre celebrating the longest continuous culture on earth, celebrating 60,000 years of history, situated within one of Adelaide’s most significant locations, must do justice to the cultures that it seeks to represent,” he said.

“In that context, good isn’t good enough.

What?

It’s already over budget, but the problem is that it isn’t grandiose enough?

OPM corrupts absolutely.

JMH
JMH
October 31, 2022 3:55 pm

Correct – this will stop a rush by the police, whether on foot, horseback on in vehicles – simply sitting down with or without arms linked makes it much harder for police to break up crowds.

It’s such a pity the protests in Melbourne didn’t use this very obvious tactic to their advantage.

rosie
rosie
October 31, 2022 3:55 pm

There was a very simple solution.
Why are you attending a Christian evangelical school if your values are polar opposite?
This is no different to a Muslim complaining the school taught Christian beliefs like the Trinity etc.
the ABC, at it again.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 31, 2022 3:57 pm

“miracle” goal legend and 3 minutes off the bench player, Donnell Wallam
I saw that- very ugly looking bit of play, hip and shoulder, travel, running so hard when she dunked the shot that she very nearly knocked the post out of the ground. Umpires were frickin’ blind, the whole shambles made Maradonna’s Hand Of God look subtle and classy.
Netty truly belongs to the high school girls, it just does not suit the beefy testosterone style harridans who want their scattered audience to be down on one knee. There’s AFLW for that.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 31, 2022 3:58 pm

Boody hell, some days it’s like a fkg kindergarten in here.

Only some days? FMD there are some real fuckwits on this site, I have 3 that I scroll past now and if it gets any worse I will be gone. When you resort to personal abuse the debate is over, you lose.

JMH
JMH
October 31, 2022 3:58 pm

JCsays:
October 31, 2022 at 3:36 pm

Thanks Dover. Appreciate it. Those comments by my battered hubbies have been dreadful today. Also very hurtful.

FFS

Arky
October 31, 2022 3:58 pm

dover0beach says:
October 31, 2022 at 3:34 pm
Duelling comments have been moved to the duelling thread.

..
I once moved someone’s irrelevant comment to another thread and copped a backlash that could be seen from the moon.

John H.
John H.
October 31, 2022 3:59 pm

rosiesays:
October 31, 2022 at 3:55 pm
There was a very simple solution.
Why are you attending a Christian evangelical school if your values are polar opposite?
This is no different to a Muslim complaining the school taught Christian beliefs like the Trinity etc.
the ABC, at it again.

True Rosie but the goal isn’t being practical it is LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 31, 2022 4:02 pm

When you resort to personal abuse the debate is over …

Shirley, no one here would resort to personal abuse?

fsckers

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 4:03 pm

The review led by businesswoman Carolyn Hewson and former politicians Ken Wyatt and Bob Carr is due to be complete by Easter next year.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaate.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 31, 2022 4:03 pm

rosiesays:
October 31, 2022 at 3:55 pm

the idea is not just to make them bend the knee at this demand.

its to put them in fear of going through the process so much they pre-emptively bend the knee trying to guess your next demand.

Lysander
Lysander
October 31, 2022 4:03 pm

Very funny on ABC Country Hour…

They were reporting on an aboriginal station that killed hundreds of animals illegally and how they’ve dodged at $250,000 fine. Lots of people texting in to say they got away with it because… well you know why.

Minister was asked what those people should do about it…

One caller says “the should have to apologise once a year for eternity” 😛

I’m surprised their ABC let that go to air….

mem
mem
October 31, 2022 4:04 pm

So based on the “evidence” of a person whos a spruiker for big wind, installing a lot of wind would be just awesome..
And he’s ‘proven” it with computer modeling.

How about he apply his spiffy computor model to the reality of how wind has actually blown or not blown over the eastern states over the past 5 years. Start by looking at SA. Since blowing up its coal fired plant it is surviving on gas and imports of power from Vic on low wind days, which is more often than not. And there are consecutive days that have occurred this year when there was little to no wind in 3 out 5 of the states as well as overcast conditions. And at night only about 2% of renewables wind and solar at night for all 5 states. Increasing the number of windmills and solar farms would have made Buckley’s difference. We would have had the whole grid go down if it hadn’t been for 80% coal power and Hydro from Tas and some gas keeping the generators going.
I once worked with a contracting company doing the layout for a major warehouse involving lots of trucks and a huge number of forklifts. They came back with a model that cost mega bucks but was touted as saving the company thousands because they had reconfigured the footprint to gain space. Guess what, they had not allowed unloading space for side loading B Doubles or turnaround space for the forklifts. Their model was trash. Models may work on paper but where they relate to peoples’ livelihoods and wellbeing they need to be tested against reality and walked through with those that understand how things actually work and what things cost.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 4:08 pm

ALPBC Rural is the least captured part of the hive. Very funny when one of their callers goes rogue. Happens a bit when all the regular Marxist producers are on a WEB.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 31, 2022 4:10 pm

I’m baffled as to why just about every Australian protest over the last three years has been a “march”. Decentralized, dissolving, vague, piece of piss to attack from a flank, block, re-route or infiltrate.
Compare and contrast to the CFMMEU rank and file kicking the glass in at their Melbourne headquarters. Now, that got the Lizard People sweating.

cohenite
October 31, 2022 4:10 pm

I can see rub and tug fucking Australia up more than biden has the US; and in shorter time.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 31, 2022 4:13 pm

At least we can look forward to state subsidized R&T.

Speedbox
October 31, 2022 4:14 pm

flyingduk says:
October 31, 2022 at 3:37 pm

You probably remember when the Motorola system was installed in SA and the (at the time) enormous cost following budget overruns. One feature was that a user could talk ‘state wide’ meaning that a Police officer in Mt Gambier could talk via 2 way with his colleague in Ceduna. At the time, it was a nifty feature.

You would also recall we used those same radios during Classic Adelaide but they had blackspots on parts of the Gorge Rd.

And yes, the duress button had a ‘locate’ feature although it is an interesting question whether that locate feature actually worked in those few blackspot areas. I presume that issue has been fixed with the passage of time.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 31, 2022 4:15 pm

COVID-19 transmission higher in households than in workplaces, schools or community

New research out of York University has found the transmission of COVID-19 is much higher in households than in workplaces, schools or the community as the potential for prolonged contact with infected people is greater in the home.

The researchers looked at testing rates and turnaround times, vaccine efficacy, coverage and transmission, waning immunity, and public health measures under various lockdown, reopening and resurgence scenarios—from March to December 2020—to find the best global vaccination strategies to control COVID-19 outbreaks.

They found testing helped mitigate transmission between members of the same household if results were available within the first 24 hours. PCR testing was widely available during this time, which is more sensitive than the current rapid tests, although the researchers believe even this testing is likely to help to curb transmission between family members. Ideally, public health resources would be available for PCR testing.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 31, 2022 4:20 pm

Womanus Bugmanus Boardroomus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Hewson

Carolyn Somerville married John Hewson in 1988. The couple have a daughter born around 1995 after John retired from Parliament but their marriage ended in 2004. The Hewsons lived in Sydney, but Carolyn flew to Adelaide once a month for board meetings, and took her pre-school daughter with her.

https://www.instagram.com/carolynhewson/?hl=en

johanna
johanna
October 31, 2022 4:30 pm

Leafed through the hard copy of The Paywallian today at the coffee shop.

Not a lot of love for the ‘Renewables R Us’ model among either readers or opinion commenters.

Of course, it is bloody irksome that what people here and at many other unfashionable (even subversive) sites all over the world have been saying for years is now seeping into public consciousness.

But, there is nothing that concentrates the ‘minds’ of politicians more than the prospect of losing office.

Just imagine these dickheads, who would struggle to balance their chequebook, if that was still a ‘thing.’

‘But, they told us that windmills and everything would be cheaper.’

Did you ever check that claim to see if it was true?

‘Well, no, people I trusted said so …

If there were any decent journalists who were allowed to ply their trade …

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 31, 2022 4:30 pm

Lysandersays:

October 31, 2022 at 3:38 pm

And in FMD-news… Vic Labor leading Libs 60-40.

Lysander, I am not suggesting the Libs will win, but Roy Morgan is hopelessly biased left in political polling.
I remember when Abbott knocked off R-G-R I was working near the Roy Morgan office. They had an electronic signboard at the entrance to their offices.
Leading up to the election it was all ALP – 56:44, 57:43 etc.
Abbott wins with a 2PP of 53.5:46.5.
First Morgan poll after the election was still something like 52:48 ALP.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 31, 2022 4:31 pm

Frollickingmole wins the interwebs for today. (thunderous applause)

Its mystery wrapped in a conundrum rammed up the arse of a justice minister like a turducken of unknowability….

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 31, 2022 4:33 pm

I once moved someone’s irrelevant comment to another thread and copped a backlash that could be seen from the moon.

I once moved someone’s irrelevant comment which wasn’t effusive enough about my Thought Leadership to another thread and copped a backlash that could be seen from the moon.

Lysander
Lysander
October 31, 2022 4:34 pm

Thanks Sancho – didn’t know that… 🙂

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 4:35 pm

or

I once moved someone’s relevant comment from an irrelevant thread.

johanna
johanna
October 31, 2022 4:37 pm

It’s bucketing down here, with more to come if the radar is reliable.

Have the horseracing authorities thought of moving things ahead a month?

duncanm
duncanm
October 31, 2022 4:39 pm

. Achieving it would require a major expansion of transmission

modelling. GIGO

Garbage In = transmission network already exists
Garbage Out = renewballs are just fine

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 4:44 pm

Lysander, I am not suggesting the Libs will win, but Roy Morgan is hopelessly biased left in political polling.

If the Libs took the fucker out, it would be the upset of historical proportions.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 31, 2022 4:46 pm

From The Oz:
The Socceroos have released a powerful video protesting human rights abuses and the shocking working conditions of migrant labour in FIFA World Cup host Qatar.

Still looking for the really powerful message of “we quit the World Cup.”

Neither the team nor individual players have the guts to walk out.
You know, like rugby players Tony Abrahams, Jim Boyce, Paul Darveniza, Terry Forman, Barry McDonald, Jim Roxburgh and Bruce Taafe in 1971, who stood down from playing the whites-only Springboks.

A powerful video is much more telling than a walk-out. (Just joking!!!)

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 31, 2022 4:46 pm

The Underwear Attacker

Victims of violent crime who aren’t lucky enough to be married to a major political figure would also like the assurance of knowing their attackers are locked up and won’t be bothering them again.

By Dan Gelernter

I often read the mainstream news sites. You can learn a lot about them from what they say. And you can learn as much from what they don’t say. I find it intriguing, for example, that the top (as of this writing) CNN, NBC, and ABC stories on the Paul Pelosi attack never mention one of the first things that anyone on the scene would have noticed: The assailant was dressed only in his underwear.

Which is funny, because that particular oddity certainly stands out to me. Underwear attacker? You don’t see that every day.

For one thing, an assailant who has forgotten even to get dressed doesn’t exactly scream “premeditated political violence.” It doesn’t point to much forethought or indeed much thought at all. And while all the news stories dutifully repeat the claim that Underwear Man (real name, David DePape) was shouting “Where is Nancy?” as he struck his victim with a hammer, none of them report what Michael Schellenberger found out with a basic journalistic visit to DePape’s house: That DePape lives in Berkeley with a nudist girlfriend, a Black Lives Matter sign in the window, and an LGBT rainbow flag with a marijuana symbol hanging from a tree. Not quite your typical far-right extremist.

But San Francisco Police Chief William Scott says, “This was not a random act. This was intentional,” and all the news sites repeat it. David Frum, the idiot in the far-left Atlantic, went so far as to say “Paul Pelosi is the latest to play a blood price” for the GOP’s “cult of violence.” Really.

Though I obviously don’t believe this was a far-right attack, I’m also not one of those conspiracy guys who thinks DePape was sent by the FBI in a false-flag op. To me, the evidence is pretty obvious: If the FBI had recruited DePape, they would have bought him an expensive AR-15.

It sounds to me as though DePape is simply a deranged psychotic—one of those poor miscreants whom the mayor of San Francisco is so excited to have walking his streets. It’s not even clear whether DePape brought his own hammer: The police arrived on the scene so quickly that the attack was still in progress (which I’m sure is their totally average response time and in no way connected to the Pelosis’ political influence). They reported that Paul Pelosi and his assailant each had a hand on the hammer, and that DePape wrested the hammer from Pelosi after the police arrived. The police say they tackled the assailant immediately, but apparently not immediately enough to prevent DePape’s hitting Pelosi at least once.

If I were being cynical, I would demand the D.A. release DePape right away and without bail, as leftist prosecutors are fond of doing for violent offenders who attack unimportant, workaday Americans like you and me. But I am realistic enough to know that DePape won’t be going anywhere: If the media find they can credibly pretend he was a tool of the MAGA movement, he’ll get a showy trial.

Otherwise, he’ll quietly spend the rest of his life in prison. Either way, you don’t just attack Nancy Pelosi’s chief stock-picker and get away with it.

Journalists and politicians would like you to believe that this is political violence so the story can be all about them: About how important they are and the special dangers they face. But we know that this isn’t political violence; it’s just violence. It is a story not about politicians but about Americans. Everyday danger, which has increased in all major cities Democrats control, has, ironically, come home to roost in a small way.

Yet the lesson learned will deliberately be the wrong one, and won’t help ordinary citizens. I bet victims of violent crime who aren’t lucky enough to be married to a major political figure would also like the assurance of knowing their attackers are locked up and won’t be bothering them again. But it’s much easier to pretend Underwear Man was a right-wing hate-infused wannabe assassin: It’s just politics.

John H.
John H.
October 31, 2022 4:51 pm

Tintarella di Lunasays:
October 31, 2022 at 3:42 pm
Figuressays:
October 31, 2022 at 12:48 pm

There are people on this site who actually believe that Wakefield is a bad guy

. Not me. Andrew Wakefield had no barrow to push vis a vis vaccines/autism. He was working at the London Free Hospital, he was a paediatric gastroenterologist. There were a number of children who were referred to him by other doctors who could not fathom what the problem was. His investigations began only to get to the bottom of the gastroenterological problems. He found that these children had ‘leaky guts’ and a number also seemed to have autism as well . The whole debacle started from there. Wakefield had never set out to discredit the MMR vaccines but merely listened to the parents, the eye-witnesses, investigated and reported.

I read a lot on this topic about 25 years ago because one of our legal staff worked very closely with Andrew Wakefield, met him on several occasions and even wrote a book on the topic of vaccination.

Does anyone remember an ABC reporter Megan James? she did a story I think on Four Corners about the possible link between autism and the MMR vaccine – she was absolutely crushed by the blowback, her career was very adversely affected. Don’t know where she is now. Last I found was she’d moved to Indonesia.

The gut issue is strongly related to an immune messenger(il-17) that is associated with inflammation and autoimmunity. Maternal immune activation, a known risk factor for ASD, elevates il-17 and in animal studies blockade of il-17 prevents autist like behaviors. To give you an idea of how complex and difficult it is to understand this issue is think about the finding that if an autist develops an infection that elevates il-17 their behavior improves. That is another example of the often mysterious relationship between immune function and behavior. A family history of autoimmunity is another risk factor. A single study is next to useless for understanding these mysteries. We are a long way from explaining the etiology of ASD. What is though is that there is a strong genetic component and maternal immune activation is also a risk factor. It is my view that the genetic component is a necessary but not sufficient cause. The challenge with conditions like ASD is to read and keep reading.

Wakefield was badly treated but his study was so preliminary we shouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.

Zipster
October 31, 2022 4:53 pm

The ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold has confirmed he intends to prosecute Bruce Lehrmann for the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins in a second trial early in the new year.
“I can confirm we have decided the retrial of DPP v Lehrmann will commence 20 February 2023,” Mr Drumgold said in a statement to news.com.au.

no comment from the woke enforcers on contempt charges

JMH
JMH
October 31, 2022 4:57 pm

Zipstersays:
October 31, 2022 at 4:53 pm
The ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold has confirmed he intends to prosecute Bruce Lehrmann for the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins in a second trial early in the new year.
“I can confirm we have decided the retrial of DPP v Lehrmann will commence 20 February 2023,” Mr Drumgold said in a statement to news.com.au.

no comment from the woke enforcers on contempt charges

Of course not. Justice in this country is now non-existent and there is nothing any single one of us can do about it.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 31, 2022 5:00 pm

“No Knickers” Brittany Hoggins was at The Brisbane Races

That’s not very ladylike! Watch the rowdy moment female racegoers exchange blows in an ugly brawl on a walkway after a big day at the track

. Group of rowdy racegoers filmed exchanging blows in ugly brawl in Brisbane
. Footage showed woman pinned against railing before attacker pulled to ground
. Another woman jumped into the air before crashing into her opponent

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 5:02 pm

60/40 in the latest Vic election poll. I’m going to 70/30 after this.

Victoria’s 2022-23 deficit has blown out by $1.8bn to almost $10bn since the May budget, according to the Andrews government’s mid-year economic and fiscal update.

Releasing the document on Monday, before writs are issued on Tuesday ahead of the November 26 state election, Treasurer Tim Pallas highlighted floods, inflation, rising interest rates, geopolitical conditions and ongoing impacts of the Covid pandemic as key among the ongoing “risks” to Victoria’s economic outlook.

theaustralian.com.au04:47
Visit Victoria to partner with Netball Australia in $15m deal
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has announced a new sponsorship between Visit Victoria and Netball Australia… in the wake of Gina Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting withdrawing their partnership with the team. “This is a coup for our state, this is all about supporting netball, of course, our government has such More

The mid-year update’s $9.7bn deficit comes despite employment growth of 3.9 per cent in 2021-22 — with unemployment at its lowest levels since the 1970s.
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Despite a slight reduction in projected net debt in 2025-26, from $167.5bn in May to $165.4bn in the latest document, Victoria remains on track to have more debt than NSW, Queensland and Tasmania, whose combined debt is set to reach $159.2bn by the same date.

Key to the blowout is a massive $4.5bn increase in Victoria’s wages bill, which the government attributes to an expanded health workforce.

Public sector wages in 2022-23 are set to reach $35.76bn by 2025-26 — a 73 per cent increase on the $20.7bn wage bill in 2013-14 — the last financial year before Labor came to government.

Vic carries the combined debt of those three states. Amazing and he’s going to win?

calli
calli
October 31, 2022 5:03 pm

Mole, that Instagram site is not Carolyn Hewson (nee Sommerville).

This is the person you seek.

It’s interesting how some people are attracted to their doppelgänger of the opposite sex.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 31, 2022 5:03 pm

Dan Andrews under fire from voters for spending $15million of taxpayers’ money on netball sponsorship – after Gina Rinehart walked away amid anger over racism furore

. Victoria’s state government stepped in to sponsor Netball Australia with $15m
. Outraged commenters said they hope Daniel Andrews’ Labor loses election
. Netball Australia was saved from financial wipeout by Mr Andrews’ intervention

Arky
October 31, 2022 5:04 pm

Excellent summary of what is wrong with education:
..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmX5y71jj6I

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 31, 2022 5:10 pm

johanna

‘But, they told us that windmills and everything would be cheaper.’

Did you ever check that claim to see if it was true?

‘Well, no, people I trusted said so …

Produce the written advice, name all those involved in the preparation of the advice, fire the lot, no redundancy payouts.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 5:21 pm

FMD, she’s a non-entity fuckwit.

Zoe Daniel
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Education is power. We must continue to speak up in support of these brave women.
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Yalda Hakim
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Female students attempt to enter their university in Badakhshan only to be whipped by a member of the Taliban who prevents them from entering. The women chant ‘education is our right’ & ‘woman, life, freedom’ which is also what protesters in Iran have been chanting #Afghanistan

Power accrues to who has the gun and prepared to use it.

mem
mem
October 31, 2022 5:22 pm

Key to the blowout is a massive $4.5bn increase in Victoria’s wages bill, which the government attributes to an expanded health workforce.

If I was the opposition I’d be targeting this statement as horseshit. The blowouts have occurred in major project over runs, public service salaries and nefarious other projects involving mates, union or otherwise.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 5:22 pm

Victoriastan heading for another Mother Russia moment. What’s on the table this time?

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 5:25 pm

GMH

It’s a hyperbolic comment and therefore can be abbreviated to Karen. Karen comments are hysterical and hyperbolic It’s not meant to offend you personally and I would never suggest you’re a hyperbolic Karen. No siree.

We are allowed to criticize comments though. If you have a personal issue then please take it to the battered hubbies thread.

Lysander
Lysander
October 31, 2022 5:25 pm

Federal Libs doing slightly “better” now:

The post-budget Newspoll finds Labor’s two-party lead at 55-45, in from 57-43 at the previous poll eight weeks ago.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 31, 2022 5:26 pm

FMD, she’s a non-entity fuckwit.

So what does Zoe plan to do about this? Light up her electoral office in colours of Afghanistan? Perhaps make a flying visit with the Wong chap to discuss this with their Education and Foreign ministers? Run a Afghanistan hit piece for her former employer?

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 5:31 pm

So what does Zoe plan to do about this? Light up her electoral office in colours of Afghanistan? Perhaps make a flying visit with the Wong chap to discuss this with their Education and Foreign ministers? Run a Afghanistan hit piece for her former employer?

It’s actually patronizing in a horrid virtue signaling way. Those gals are being killed and or beaten to death and this stupid bint is telling them education is power while they get rifle butted to the stomach,

Johnny Rotten
October 31, 2022 5:33 pm

cohenitesays:
October 31, 2022 at 4:10 pm
I can see rub and tug fucking Australia up more than biden has the US; and in shorter time.

Yes and by 2025 Australia will be in a right mess. LayBore will be one term wallys………………..

Zipster
October 31, 2022 5:34 pm

“Taking into account the terrorist act carried out by the Kyiv regime with the participation of British experts against ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian vessels involved in the security of grain corridors, Russia suspends its participation in the implementation of the agreement on exports of agricultural products from Ukrainian ports,” representatives for the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 31, 2022 5:34 pm

Yes JC they face real persecution. Our ladies here get uppity about a mean tweet, not enough Facebook likes or the threat of being deplatformed.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 5:38 pm

Yes JC they face real persecution. Our ladies here get uppity about a mean tweet, not enough Facebook likes or the threat of being deplatformed.

Our ladies get uppity? Naaa, ya think? I was going to comment on her tweet to tell her what a fucking moron she is and she’s restricted comments to only those people the tweet was directed to. Education is power though.

Go have a look.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 31, 2022 5:38 pm

Blake AntrobusNCA NewsWire
Mon, 31 October 2022 10:50AM
A Kalgoorlie-Boulder syndicate has won $53 million in Powerball.

A group of West Aussie miners has literally struck gold after winning a share of last Thursday’s staggering $160 million Powerball jackpot.

While at least one of them is likely to continue working, their boss quipped that he would “run after them” and steal their ticket if they did not come back to work — on learning that 20 of his best workers had shared in the prize.

The group of 20 from Kalgoorlie-Boulder paid $100 each for their tickets, walking away with $53 million of the division one winnings.

Each of them pocketed about $2.65 million.

One of the miners, Peter, told 6PR Radio that the realisation of winning was “still sinking in”.

“I only thought we’d won the second division,” the 54-year-old said.

“This was a one-off because it was a big draw … it was a spur of the moment thing.

“I couldn’t believe it. I checked the ticket about 10 times.”

Chris Wood, the group’s boss, quipped that he would “run after them and steal their ticket” if his employees did not come back to work.

He said he was still in disbelief at the news.

“They’re great workers, it is my best shift,” Mr Wood told the ABC.

“I’m ecstatic. I’m very happy for each of them. I expect I might lose them, though.”

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 31, 2022 5:39 pm

So what does Zoe plan to do about this?

Demand more places be reserved in law and j’ism departments in Australian universities.

Razey
Razey
October 31, 2022 5:42 pm

Sicktorian Liberals don’t want the job. Better to let Labour thugs burn it to the ground and they will not see power for a generation.

calli
calli
October 31, 2022 5:42 pm

Zulu, many happy returns for yesterday.

And Ozzie (from memory), just tasting that Bare Bones shiraz. It’s young all right, but I suspect it’s a keeper. Probably benefit from being decanted. The Beloved is giving it some space in the “rack” to see what happens.

Johnny Rotten
October 31, 2022 5:43 pm

And just for JC and Mrs Stencho Pantyhose………………………

I have a quite a few jokes about cash machines. I just can’t think of any ATM.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 31, 2022 5:43 pm

I don’t do Twitter so will have to take your word for it.
Education is power eh? Could be directed at our failing students.

Razey
Razey
October 31, 2022 5:44 pm

Chris Wood, the group’s boss, quipped that he would “run after them and steal their ticket” if his employees did not come back to work.

He let slip the truth here. The Overlords want us in debt and dependent. How else would they enforce their poisonous clotshots?

calli
calli
October 31, 2022 5:45 pm

It depends on how you place the emphasis.

English is a marvellous language, and can sometimes be quite subtle.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 31, 2022 5:49 pm

Zulu, many happy returns for yesterday.

Thank you, calli. The occasion was marked by a damnfine lunch at one of the better watering holes in the Swan Valley.

calli
calli
October 31, 2022 5:54 pm

Education is power

Quite. And like all power should be used responsibly.

When it involves young minds, the most important aspect will be truthfulness tempered with awareness of the age of the pupil and weight of the content.

Naturally, neither of these considerations are front and centre in the minds of woke-pushers. They never have been.

Barry
Barry
October 31, 2022 5:58 pm

Halloween pretty big in Goldstein this year, despite the inclement weather.

Good to see the kids giving a big fuck-you to Dan’s lockdowns by having the best costumes, and biggest groups I’ve seen. They may not realise it yet, but a life enjoyably lived, is vastly preferable to being Dan and getting around with 20 guard-pigs to protect his sorry arse.

FDA. Fuck Dan Andrews.

calli
calli
October 31, 2022 6:05 pm

Oh, I see. Zoe is focussing on women and girls elsewhere.

Telescopic philanthropy.

Roger
Roger
October 31, 2022 6:07 pm

So what does Zoe plan to do about this?

A series of Tweets?

The mamner in which Western feminists have tried to co-opt what’s happening in Iran and Afghanistan is both condescending and self-serving.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 31, 2022 6:12 pm

Each of them pocketed about $2.65 million.
Barely five years’ wages for the underground gold sector. They’ll keep working, their mates will rag them too hard if they don’t.

Zipster
October 31, 2022 6:14 pm

TimesRadio now suggesting that the Russians may have attacked their own ships in Sevastopol.

attacked their own pipe, bridge, nuclear power plant, are the ruskis drunk or do the EU think we are mugs…

Razey
Razey
October 31, 2022 6:14 pm

The developing world will no longer accept the Woke West leadership. The Woke West are nothing but disgusting LGBT worshippers.

Cassie of Sydney
October 31, 2022 6:16 pm

Well, Wentworth is awash with children trick or treating. Walking back from the supermarket I ran into a group of children carrying bags of lollies and no parent about. One of the children said to me “look at me, I’m scary” to which I responded “not as scary as me”.

Delta A
Delta A
October 31, 2022 6:17 pm

Zoe Daniel
@zdaniel

Education is power. We must continue to speak up in support of these brave women.

To my knowledge, this is the first time that Daniels has spoken up for these, or any other than white, privileged women.

Violence against Aboriginal women? Crickets. Yazidis, Uygurs, Syrian Christian women? The list goes on and on. And Zoe Daniels remainst influentially shtum.

What a hypocrite.

Roger
Roger
October 31, 2022 6:20 pm

Sunak should stick with his original political instinct and not go to COP27.

Don’t listen to the political hack advisers.

Razey
Razey
October 31, 2022 6:21 pm
Cassie of Sydney
October 31, 2022 6:21 pm

“FMD, she’s a non-entity fuckwit.”

Too kind, she’s actually disgusting.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 6:23 pm

Don’t listen to the political hack advisers.

Always good advice. Rarely heeded.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 6:29 pm

10) What to expect from COP27: China, India and developing nations seek $1.3 trillion a year in climate funding
The Wall Street Journal, 4 November 2021

LOl. The Western left would send over the money too.

Cassie of Sydney
October 31, 2022 6:31 pm

“5) No 10 alarm as Boris Johnson plans to attend COP27 climate summit
The Observer, 30 October 2022”

If true, this confirms that Boris is a narcissistic fraud. He was gifted an 80 seat majority in December 2019, and what did he do? He squandered it.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 6:43 pm

Cassie
41 East 72nd
This is a brownstone on East 72nd street, It’s an amazingly large home, owned by a hedge Fund billionaire and his wife. They’ve been decking out the house in Halloween costume since I can recall.. early 90s and they’re still doing it.
It’s become a Upper East-side feature.

Look. I cannot imagine how much it costs them to deck it out each year. I’m guessing 200K minimum.

http://nyclovesnyc.blogspot.com/2012/10/upper-eastsides-haunted-townhouse.html

cohenite
October 31, 2022 6:43 pm

Cory interviews some guy from the Washington Post about the pelosi shuffle and the only 2 options discussed are a Jan 6 inspired hit or a random homeless guy; no mention of pelosi and a bum fuck gone wrong while his corpse wife is away.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 31, 2022 6:52 pm

Hot leather and gunsmoke.

Plenty of duellin’ thread action today.

sfw
sfw
October 31, 2022 6:52 pm

Earlier some here were discussing electric trucks. Linehaul trucks will not be battery powered for many years if ever. The reason – energy density.

A single trailer semi max mass is 42.5t, that’s a tri axle trailer and a bogie drive prime mover, single steer axle. Of that around 20t is the all up mass of the truck and trailer unloaded, so a payload of around 22.5t give or take depending on configuration and other factors.

The batteries make up around half the weight/mass of a Tesla, so around 1t of battery and 1t of car, for a range of around 500km. So roughly half the weight of the vehicle is battery. Now if you remove the engine, gearbox and fuel from a prime mover you will save around 4t, then add back at least another tonne for the electrics excluding the battery, so a mass of around 17t. That would give a theoretical payload of around 25t for 42t all up. Now here’s the problem to move 42t 500km with batteries similar to a Tesla would take around 21t of battery. So 17t truck and trailer plus 25t of battery would leave a payload of around zero. You could reduce battery weight for a shorter range but that would need more changeovers/chargers etc.

So leaving aside the lack of carrying capacity, some suggested places where the trucks on say Melb – Syd could pull in and have the batteries changed while the driver rests. At least 1000 trucks travel Syd/Melb in each direction per day. So even allowing for a quick battery changeover of 30 minutes, these places would have to be massive, even if there were quite a few of them, 30 minute changeover is 48 trucks a day, so many bays would be needed. Then you need a massive amount of electricity and staff and equipment to do the work. The mains power required would be staggering.

Next battery life. The estimates for Tesla battery life ranges from 240,000km to 350,000km. The average interstate seme does around 300,000km a year, so replacement would be needed at least annually. A complete battery replacement on a Tesla looks to be between $20,000 and $35,000 per complete unit, a unit weighs around 1t so 15 to 20t of batteries won’t be cheap. Not too many truck owners will be keen to splash out hundreds of thousands for new batteries each year.

So it’s not going to happen for linehaul. There could be a place for them on trucks that do local work and are parked up for at least 12 hours each day to charge, but then even those trucks often do 200,000km a year, new batteries every 18 to 24 months?

If you reckon I’ve got my sums wrong, go ahead and show me where and how, happy to be corrected. But I just can’t see how heavy freight can be moved vast distances in bulk with current battery tech, improvements would have to be in orders of magnitude.

Cassie of Sydney
October 31, 2022 6:53 pm

Albasleazy today, always sounding as though his teeth are welded together, saying that the first lot of ISIS garbage dumped in this country on the weekend, “look, these are Australian citizens who are entitled to be in Australia”.

Yeah, righto, pretty sure Julian Assange is an Australian citizen, but when it comes to Assange, crickets.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 6:55 pm

sfw

Tesla is about to sell trucks. What market are they aiming at if not long haul etc?

Winston Smith
October 31, 2022 6:55 pm

Hey JC!
Message for you on the brawling thread.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 6:57 pm

Thanks, Turtlehead. Fuck off now.

calli
calli
October 31, 2022 6:57 pm

I’m still wondering how the third in line to the Presidency appears to have zero security at her home.

Then I remember how some twerp broke into the Queen’s apartments and chatted with her.

It appears that someone isn’t doing their job.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 6:57 pm

Australian citizenship ain’t what is used to be.

Roger
Roger
October 31, 2022 6:58 pm

Albasleazy today, always sounding as though his teeth are welded together, saying that the first lot of ISIS garbage dumped in this country on the weekend, “look, these are Australian citizens who are entitled to be in Australia”.

Mr 32% expending valuable and scarce political capital.

As Nap said, best not to interrupt an enemy while he’s making a mistake.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 31, 2022 6:59 pm

Come on you fat Irish simpletons.

Knock Alintastralia out of the World Cup. Do it with your little leprechaun sticks.

Justify my love.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 7:04 pm

sfw

This story goes back to Mar 2021. I don’t how it’s going, but I keep seeing the Tesla semi in vids etc.

The claim is that it will do 800K in hwy conditions.

https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/news/tesla-semi-truck-with-1-000-kilometre-range-being-put-to-test-on-tracks-41615894020148.html

cohenite
October 31, 2022 7:05 pm

I’m still wondering how the third in line to the Presidency appears to have zero security at her home.

Then I remember how some twerp broke into the Queen’s apartments and chatted with her.

It appears that someone isn’t doing their job.

The only thing with zero security was pelosi’s genitials.

sfw
sfw
October 31, 2022 7:08 pm

JC, I’ll believe it when I see it. I just can’t see how linehaul can operate on batteries. If my figures are wrong fair enough, but I don’t think they are.

I looked at the sales info for the Tesla trucks, no mention of mass carried as payload. They claim a range of around 500 miles, I guess that’s similar to a Tesla car. The car has a battery massing around half the weight of the car for that range, so you would think that would be the same for all vehicles, so a 40t truck would need 20t of battery, that would have to be replaced annually. The resale value of the truck would be almost zero if the batteries were at the end of their life.

Roger
Roger
October 31, 2022 7:08 pm

It appears that someone isn’t doing their job.

Pelosi’s government supplied security protects her, not her property.

Her property – when she is not there -would be protected by private security.

It’s a mystery.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 7:09 pm

Karen tormented Liz for years is demanding social justice from Dover at the battered hubbies thread.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 31, 2022 7:10 pm

Prayers answered.

Evil little malfunctioning peasant dwarf Warner gone for 3.

Please continue, Lords of the Emerald Isle.

sfw
sfw
October 31, 2022 7:13 pm

Good link JC, they claim a mass load of 36t for the prime mover, a tri axle trailer is around 7t, If they say the truck can move 36t then around 18t must be batteries, maybe the prime mover is lightweight at 10 tonne, that would give them a payload of around 1 tonne.

In freight hauling weight is everything, there are some bulk cargoes that don’t weigh much, but not many.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 7:14 pm

sfw says:
October 31, 2022 at 7:08 pm

JC, I’ll believe it when I see it. I just can’t see how linehaul can operate on batteries. If my figures are wrong fair enough, but I don’t think they are.

I don’t think it’s in production yet. But tell me, the calcs you did look fine – not that I really checked them or anything.

I think, what you haven’t done is make a comparison. Lets say we do a comparison over the expected life of the batteries to the cost of also running ICE truck of similar size on diesel over the same time frame. There’s also the additional cost of maintaining the motor and engine of a EV truck and ICE one. What would they be?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 31, 2022 7:15 pm

On Andrews giving the netwokels $15 million of hospital money:

A response from a random punter on FB:

Better go through everything every Victorian politician has ever said.

*golf clap*

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 31, 2022 7:15 pm

sfwsays:
October 31, 2022 at 6:52 pm

One mob here have an interesting idea.
Swappable battery units.

https://thedriven.io/2022/04/05/australias-first-electric-prime-mover-fleet-unveiled-with-swap-and-go-batteries/

Im fairly agnostic on the idea but i can see it playing out like this..
https://youtu.be/g4EbWRDXzZw

“Studies’ show truck fumes are drowning puppies in the tears of orphans while the evil drivers bash their wives…

Politicans decide “something must be done” and after consulting with Toll transport decide that next week all trucks operating within 100Km of capital cities must be electric.

Toll regrettably announce they happen to have enough trucks to do this which arrived last week, and the government announces they fortunately have gifted Toll with a swathe of property and charging units just last week as well.

Every small operator in Australia is told they can go eat a bag of mouldy dicks unless they upgrade. Or they can go drive for toll.

Because no-one does corruption like Austfailure.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 7:16 pm

little leprechaun sticks

aka shillelagh. Not sure if Gray Nicholls make one.

Winston Smith
October 31, 2022 7:17 pm

rickw:

Could be enhanced by the outer edges of the crowd moving forward. Thus giving the pigs the feeling that they are about to be encircled.

A sort of reverse kettling?
I’m not sure it would be a wise move. Not because it won’t work, it will.
But remembering a mob is the only organism with a thousand bellies and no brain, seeing a mob of copperthugs in a vulnerable position with no immediate support will end up with dead coppers.
Are those coppers armed? Then the crowd will very quickly become armed themselves.
Second point is that the coppers will not be allowed to back down.
“A whiff of grapeshot, perhaps?”

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 7:18 pm

Not to be confused with a mashie niblick.

mem
mem
October 31, 2022 7:21 pm

The group of 20 from Kalgoorlie-Boulder paid $100 each for their tickets, walking away with $53 million of the division one winnings.

Each of them pocketed about $2.65 million.

I wonder if they have told their wives yet? Anyway I think there is a television series in this tracking how the windfall changed their lives. Hope they all do the best as well as their manager who at least seems to have a sense of proportion. He may end up the lucky one.

Frank
Frank
October 31, 2022 7:25 pm

Come on you fat Irish simpletons.

But I’m not fat!

Winston Smith
October 31, 2022 7:25 pm

Zipster:

Karl Rove shares his prediction for Pennsylvania’s Senate race

Fetterman will only get in if there is a grotesque level of cheating, and honestly, I think the average American voter will protest loudly and violently.
The Democrats are playing with fire and have convinced themselves they are wearing asbestos panties…
🙂

2dogs
October 31, 2022 7:27 pm

Can thêsê ISIS pêoplê bê suêd for brêach of statutory obligation oncê thêy gêt hêrê?

i.ê. Sêction 102.3 of thê Criminal Codê Act 1995

Wê havê a lot of victims of ISIS hêrê who camê hêrê as rêfugêês and should havê standing to suê. I think a casê could bê madê that mêmbêrs of a criminal conspiracy arê jointly and sêvêrally liablê in tort for its misdêêds.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 31, 2022 7:29 pm

Predictably, and because most of VicJack never didn’t join up to flog grandmothers (3AW):

Police are resigning from the job in huge numbers, with 700 walking off the job in the last financial year, an increase of about 200 compared to the previous year.

Chief Commissioner Shane Patton says it “is a concern” to Victoria Police, but it’s not a localised issue. “Our attrition rate is higher than we’d like but that’s not unlike any other police jurisdiction in Australia and overseas,” he told Neil Mitchell.

That would be because every other police force did the same thing, albeit not to the extent in Vicco.

Mr Patton says staff who stayed in the force longer than they intended to due to COVID-19 partially explains the high attrition rate. “There’s a bit of the great resignation, I think, too,” he said.

Victoria Police is seeking to recruit 900 police this year, and 2000 over the next two years, and they’re willing to consider a broader range of people to meet that target.

Good luck with that, because the force you created is now one of the least-respected off all occupations, and of all time.

“In past years we’ve pushed away young people, saying you need to get some life experience, I’m saying, ‘No, we don’t need to do that’ … we’re happy to take you if you’re 18 or 19,” Mr Patton said.

Holy fuck. Yeah, Patton. That’s what you need.

A pair of 18 year olds turning up to a violent domestic between hubby and wifey who’ve been married for 30 years, and telling them how to run their lives.

19 years old milquetoasts wading into pub brawls where people are being glassed. People with zero life experience trying to second-guess career criminals.

Brilliant. Bravo, you giant potato.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

JC says: October 31, 2022 at 6:57 pm
Thanks, Turtlehead. Fuck off now.

No, I won’t be fucking off.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 31, 2022 7:30 pm

2dogssays:
October 31, 2022 at 7:27 pm

My brain translated your post into this.

Razey
Razey
October 31, 2022 7:32 pm

Albasleazy

It has an incurable case of dick-in-mouth disease.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 7:32 pm

Dover, I think the Driller comment belongs on the duel thread.

MatrixTransform
October 31, 2022 7:32 pm

What market are they aiming at if not long haul etc?

stupid people

and there’s plenty of them around

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 31, 2022 7:35 pm

we’re happy to take you if you’re 18 or 19

Not a serious person.

At 18-19 you have absolutely no idea how little you know.

Shit from clay without a taste test takes some people decades.

Winston Smith
October 31, 2022 7:36 pm

Mother Load:

Operating revenue – $112M
Employee benefit expenses – ($22M). On a headcount of 121. That’s an average of $180k each
2021 DJPR – State Government Funding – $134M
The thing is ‘owned’ by Dan ?

Australia desperately needs legislation like the US RICO Act and “Where did you get the money to buy a Lear Jet when you have a taxable income of $100,000?”

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 7:38 pm

MatrixTransform says:
October 31, 2022 at 7:32 pm

What market are they aiming at if not long haul etc?

stupid people

and there’s plenty of them around

Detail the costs of running an EV truck vs ICE over say the life of the battery. Tell us how it comes out. Don’t bother claiming one side or another. I don’t know, but you imply you do with that comment. Therefore show us the numbers.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 31, 2022 7:40 pm

Australia desperately needs legislation like the US RICO Act and “Where did you get the money to buy a Lear Jet when you have a taxable income of $100,000?”

All States and Territories already have it. Proceeds of crime legislation, complete with a reverse onus of proof – ie, you have to prove that the cash in question isn’t the proceeds of crime.

chrisl
chrisl
October 31, 2022 7:40 pm

How do I get to the duelling banjos thread?

MatrixTransform
October 31, 2022 7:40 pm

Detail the costs of running an EV truck vs ICE over say the life of the battery.

it isn’t about cost you simpleton

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 7:43 pm

it isn’t about cost you simpleton

Isn’t it? Then if you can’t show us the numbers then tell us what it is if comparative costs don’t matter to a business. Don’t hold a secret- share it with us.

Rabz
October 31, 2022 7:44 pm

Tucker on (newly) unemployed twatter collectivists: “They’re gone – walking down the street talking to their lunchboxes.”

chrisl
chrisl
October 31, 2022 7:45 pm

Melbourne is going to have to build a new dam.
All of the existing ones are full

2dogs
October 31, 2022 7:47 pm

My brain translated your post into this.

Sorry for flexing my vowels, but WordPress wasn’t accepting my post. I’ll find some better e next time.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 31, 2022 7:48 pm

The janus link above has a few details on life of batteries, as well as ranges, weights, running costs and life expectancy of the batteries. Maintenance costs are supposed to be 80% of what a truck is, not a as big a saving as I would have thought.

In one interesting sideline they propose batteries getting to 70% charge capacity be taken off the road and instead used for ruinables storage.

….
Janus is using 630kWh batteries that – depending on the size of the load – can deliver around 400kms of range for a B-double. It will feature a 540kW motor. The batteries are located within easy reach below the cabin (see picture below) and can be swapped within four minutes.

Forsyth says the economics of the electric battery technology are already compelling. On a kilometer to kilometer basis, they are around one third of the price – around 33c per kilometers compared to 96c per km for diesel. Even with the cost of batteries, the technology delivers savings of around one third over diesel.

And once the batteries are depleted – say to around 70 per cent – they can be re-purposed as stationary storage.

Forsyth says the conversion process is relatively simple and costs around $150,000.

Janus takes out the diesel engines, the radiators, the collars and the fuel tanks and exhaust pipes and air intakes, and gives them back to the fleet. And then they install their JCM conversion system. The trucks use between 1.2kWh and 1.8kWh per kilometer, depending on their size.

Of course all this is a bloke selling a product… to be taken with a large grain of salt.

MatrixTransform
October 31, 2022 7:48 pm

Then if you can’t show us the numbers then tell us what it is if comparative costs don’t matter to a business

increasing entropy everywhere

nothing does it better than a battery

the numbers JC, are beyond your ken

calli
calli
October 31, 2022 7:50 pm

I’ll find some better e next time.

Very circumspect.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The only circumstances under which an operator could make an electric prime mover a possiblity are;

a) Has a long term fixed contract for inter-city (say a regular daily run, point-to-point, from Brisbane-Sydney return)
b) Above contract is with a reliable client (someone of the nature of Woolworths etc)
c) Has confidence in the long term viability of the operator of the battery exchange station (there’d be 2 x changes en route + a change at each end)
d) Has confidence that the style of battery will be around for the life of the truck (imagine being stuck with the Betamax version of batteries when the nation is using VHS)

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 31, 2022 7:55 pm

Melbourne is going to have to build a new dam.

Albo says dams are bad. Does that mean he’s going to pull the plug on Turnbull’s baby?

Dam projects scrapped in federal budget would have damaged environment, water expert says (26 Oct)

No dams, no nuclear, no coal, no gas, no oil. We’re going to be cooking over feral camel dung before long.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
October 31, 2022 7:55 pm

BIG day here in West Aussie. We got a sweat up carrying the financial burden of supporting the rest of aust. especially those layabout, big spenders in Victoria.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 31, 2022 7:56 pm
JC
JC
October 31, 2022 7:56 pm

increasing entropy everywhere

You’re a combustion engineer now?

nothing does it better than a battery

the numbers JC, are beyond your ken

Magic, Don’t post it for me. Do so to help others.

132andBush
132andBush
October 31, 2022 7:56 pm

Detail the costs of running an EV truck vs ICE over say the life of the battery

JC,
We need to start with a level playing field and that’s not happening. Mass exemptions for ev trucks in the EU being one example. Then there are the subsidies which will no doubt be on offer.
The market, far from being free, is being heavily skewed in favour of ev vehicles.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
October 31, 2022 7:58 pm

Daniel Andrews coming to the aid of someone who had had a medical incident would be enough to provoke a relapse.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 31, 2022 7:59 pm

I suspect Victoriastan is being carried by overseas capital markets and various superannuation funds. For a while to come.

cohenite
October 31, 2022 8:01 pm

There’s also the additional cost of maintaining the motor and engine of a EV truck and ICE one. What would they be?

Study Calculates EVs Have Higher ‘Real World Refueling Cost’ Than Gas Vehicles

Another irony:

The firm, established in 2015, posted a blog entry entitled “Exploring Lithium-ion Electric Vehicles’ Carbon Footprint” this week, where they call into question a former ICE vs. EV comparison performed by the Wall Street Journal and, while citing work performed by Jefferies, argue that there could literally be “no reduction in CO2 output” in some EV vs. ICE comparisons.

Their analysis “details the tremendous amount of energy (and by extension CO2) needed to manufacture a lithium-ion battery.” Because a typical EV is on average 50% heavier than a similar internal combustion engine, the analysis notes that the “embedded carbon” in an EV (i.e., when it rolls off the lot) is therefore 20–50% more than an internal combustion engine

struth
struth
October 31, 2022 8:02 pm

The embarrassing idiocy of an Urban wog discussing transport…..in Australia.
Give it a rest JC.
You prove your urban ignorance even with just the questions you ask.
Batteries cannot do the job here.

Roger
Roger
October 31, 2022 8:04 pm

Dam projects scrapped in federal budget would have damaged environment, water expert says (26 Oct)

Said expert is from JCU.

That, in itself, doesn’t invalidate his argument, but it does invite serious questioning of his assumptions.

They used to call it peer revue when academics were free to disagree without prejudice to their careers.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
October 31, 2022 8:08 pm

Why BMW is moving electric Mini production from the UK to China….ummm. So it will make more money?

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
October 31, 2022 8:10 pm

…. transport minister has said BMW’s decision to move production of electric Minis to China was “very unfortunate”.

132andBush
132andBush
October 31, 2022 8:15 pm

Tesla states their semi will do 0-100km/h in 20 secs fully loaded.

There’s an increase in drive tyre wear right there, not to mention road surface stress.
It would make sense to govern the acceleration.

MatrixTransform
October 31, 2022 8:15 pm

You’re a combustion engineer now?

JC Googles entropy

… he may have missed a few things

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 31, 2022 8:16 pm

Building EV’s in China after demonising ICE vehicles for a decade? You know it makes sense!

From one of my favourite car YT chanels, and one that usually celebrates cars rather than going down the political rabbit hole:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M6UTXmi7Ao

Indolent
Indolent
October 31, 2022 8:16 pm
Winston Smith
October 31, 2022 8:16 pm

Zipster:

David Goldman’s address at the Miami National Conservatism Conference on September 11, 2022.

David speaks of a Trillion dollars per year in R&D.
I’m against that because history shows the big end of town will just steal the bloody lot and we’ll end up bankrupt with lots of Powerpoint presentations.
Just like NASA – lots of pretty graphics and no hardware.

cohenite
October 31, 2022 8:16 pm

Mark Hendrickx a great geologist, who was very involved in fighting alarmism, has now involved himself in the 3rd nations bullshit which has just seen Mt Warning closed. The real problem though is NSW lnp who have caved to some 3rd nations bullshit and further plan to give ALL of NSW’s parks to 3rd nations control. The liars/filth are known vermin but the inner corruption of the lnp is like a carbuncle on dickless’s dick; if he had one. The lnp are despicable.

The only problem with bolta interviewing Mark was bolta wouldn’t shut up.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
October 31, 2022 8:18 pm

Ok – what really happened in the Brazillian election

Indolent
Indolent
October 31, 2022 8:21 pm
Indolent
Indolent
October 31, 2022 8:23 pm
flyingduk
flyingduk
October 31, 2022 8:25 pm

It’s such a pity the protests in Melbourne didn’t use this very obvious tactic to their advantage.

Next time 😉 ?

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 31, 2022 8:30 pm

You would also recall we used those same radios during Classic Adelaide but they had blackspots on parts of the Gorge Rd.

Mein gott Speedbox!!!

With that sort of ‘Inside knowledge’ our paths have very likely crossed – I was CMO for Classic Adelaide for many years (and many other Rally events besides) before slipping behind the wheel in latter years – my biggest publicity stunt involving a Red RS2000 and a rather public rollover 🙁

johanna
johanna
October 31, 2022 8:35 pm

Zulu, good to hear that Mme Zulu is well enough to enjoy a good lunch.

And, belateds. 🙂

2dogs
October 31, 2022 8:40 pm

David DePape should instruct his lawyer to ask questions about Paul Pelosi’s share trading.

The case would be dropped fairly quickly. Will need to be careful to avoid the Jeffrey Epstein treatment.

miltonf
miltonf
October 31, 2022 8:43 pm

America really is in the grip of thieves and pervs. Then of course the old thief is a perv.

P
P
October 31, 2022 8:49 pm

WATCH: President Biden after voting in midterm elections in Delaware with his granddaughter Natalie
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1586833743968452611

sfw
sfw
October 31, 2022 8:49 pm

The truck problem is this. Trucks make their money carrying as much freight as possible. There are legal limits on how much for good reasons, safety and road damage the major ones. Current single trailer semi’s can carry around 22 tonne of freight. Battery vehicles seem to use around half of the mass of a vehicle to propel it at high speed for about 500kms.

Now a car is fine, it may have a few passengers and a few bags, say 250kg? So a Tesla weighs 2t, half is batteries at 1t, throw in 250kgs and it’s not too much extra.

A 42t truck will need about 20t of batteries to run at 100kps for 500kms, heavy vehicles are heavy in themselves without the freight, a truck trailer will come in at around 20 tonne, and have a 20 tonne payload. A battery truck will weigh around 17 tonne, throw in 20 tonne of battery and you can carry 5(?) tonne. That’s it, a quarter of a normal load. even if battery trucks cost almost nothing to run and maintain their profits will be small, they just can’t carry enough weight.

I’m trying to be optimistic with these figures, throw in stinking hot summers cold winters 300,000kms+ a year, I can see new batteries needed around every twelve months. It just can’t work in the foreseeable future.

johanna
johanna
October 31, 2022 8:54 pm

Detail the costs of running an EV truck vs ICE over say the life of the battery. Tell us how it comes out. Don’t bother claiming one side or another. I don’t know, but you imply you do with that comment. Therefore show us the numbers.

The life of the battery is important. A truck with a dead battery is worthless. An ICE truck of the same age is productive. How much will the new battery cost?

If the cars are any guide, it will be more than the truck is worth.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 31, 2022 8:59 pm

Pelosi’s government supplied security protects her, not her property.
She’ll have bodyguards, there’ll be Capitol Police/Secret Service at her house 24/7.

Her property – when she is not there -would be protected by private security.
She’s the #3 in the Government, after Brandon and Harris, of course there’s Capitol Police at her home, whether she’s there or not.

Chelsea Clinton is always accompanied in public by Secret Service, she has never held Office and her old man last held Office 22 years ago, yet you say the #3 person in the Administation has to hire her own Security?

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 31, 2022 9:00 pm

Pelosi’s government supplied security protects her, not her property.

Her property – when she is not there -would be protected by private security.

Riiiight ….. so at anytime she’s not there (the 3rd in line to the Presidency), the Feds would be happy to have ‘private security’ watching things to make sure bombs/bugs/cameras were not installed for ‘later use’?

duncanm
duncanm
October 31, 2022 9:00 pm

The life of the battery is important. A truck with a dead battery is worthless. An ICE truck of the same age is productive. How much will the new battery cost?

exactly.

Current tech LiIon is thousands of discharge cycles… and a truck would want to do full discharges all the time, probably 2 or more cycles per day; cf. a commuter car, which might discharge to 70% of capacity for a typical workday.

For a truck running 7 days/week, that’s only 5 or less years life.

cohenite
October 31, 2022 9:01 pm

Crotchless makes sense; old pelosi had guests; it’s the only possible way the happy campers got past security; the hammers, dildos, and malarkey then got out of hand.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 31, 2022 9:04 pm

Prime movers usually weigh 8-10.5 tonne depending on the motor, tanks and cab configuration.
Our single cab prime mover with an alloy grain tipper weighs 16 tonne unloaded.
Our legal payload is 27 tonne.
B doubles will carry 42-45 tonne.
Curtainsiders and other box type trailers usually never carry their legal weight as the goods have volume and not weight.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 31, 2022 9:04 pm

The aggregated betting odds on the USA midterms are here https://electionbettingodds.com/House2022.html
Only 8 days away and Reps still the favourites by a huge margin.

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 9:07 pm

The life of the battery is important. A truck with a dead battery is worthless. An ICE truck of the same age is productive. How much will the new battery cost?

A truck with a dead battery isn’t worthless. Useless maybe, but not worthless in an economic sense. It would be the cost of adding the new battery.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

johanna says: October 31, 2022 at 8:54 pm
If the cars are any guide, it will be more than the truck is worth.

Joh, cars & trucks will be totally different animals.

Charging time & battery weight mean commercial trucks (i.e. prime movers) will have “quick change” slide-in slide-out, exchangeable battery packs that will get a couple of hundred km.
Electric trucks will thus be limited to routes dotted with these exchange stations.

johanna
johanna
October 31, 2022 9:09 pm

Indeed, Duncan. And, removing and replacing a new battery (actually, a series of batteries) in a truck is not exactly cost free. Meanwhile, the ICE truck is on the road and making money.

It’s unicorn fart stuff.

132andBush
132andBush
October 31, 2022 9:11 pm

sfw,

I found some estimates here


and here

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

A truck with a dead battery isn’t worthless. Useless maybe, but not worthless in an economic sense. It would be the cost of adding the new battery.

Ease of battery change & opportunity cost of downtime won’t do much for the value of the truck in an economic sense.

duncanm
duncanm
October 31, 2022 9:12 pm

Do we have confirmation that ‘hammer’ was not a euphemism for something else?

JC
JC
October 31, 2022 9:12 pm

132andBush says:
October 31, 2022 at 7:56 pm

Detail the costs of running an EV truck vs ICE over say the life of the battery

JC,
We need to start with a level playing field and that’s not happening.

Okay adjust foe subsidies and let’s look at comparative costs. We can still compare.

Mass exemptions for ev trucks in the EU being one example. Then there are the subsidies which will no doubt be on offer.

What are these mass exemptions? Then, why are we looking at Europe.

The market, far from being free, is being heavily skewed in favour of ev vehicles.

Perhaps, don’t know. In a lot of European countries they offer subsidies to the regular car makers too.

Razey
Razey
October 31, 2022 9:14 pm

The question is why do they still want to do that?

To keep the useless eaters afraid and compliant.

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