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Is that meant to be a demand for increased Indian immigration? There must be more overt parts to it.
Many comments about US programmers being expected to train their H-1B immigrant replacements who were hired because they were cheaper,…
Monty owes the unvax’d an apology. The so called ‘vaccines’ have been proven to have no impact on transmission. In fact they make it worse.
But as typical leftard, there will be no apology.
One Irishman in Georgia does not a swallow make.
I don’t doubt Florida too has an Hispanic heritage as does Baltimore in Maryland the most northern southern state,
but Mississippi, Alabama, the Carolinas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia?
Just no.
Here in Wentworth in May the stupid Liberals preferenced PHON behind the Greens and Da Big Spenda. I did my own preferencing.
No. Of course not, I didn’t say that. Catholicism was an important strand of the intellectual traditions of America in its own right, especially in the South (as I saw it in Louisiana anyway). But there was a mingling of the concept of freedom of conscience as stated in the Declaration of Independence. The Founding Fathers were very keen to keep religion as a matter of conscience, and to not embed it in the public sphere, except in the wording of “Under God”.
It is. But which state is the least broken? Maybe the QLD bible belt is the best place to relocate to.
Gawd almighty, flick it onto SBS for an old World Cup match. Those vuvuzelas in South Africa 2010. Horrible audio experience
The family that founded Maryland was an English aristocratic Catholic family….the Calvert family. However they conformed to Anglicanism in the early 1700s. Maryland didn’t remain Catholic for long. Catholics in the colonies were regarded with suspicion and discriminated against.
I firmly believe there is no nation of Australia any more, it’s just a geographical country with a heap of competing groups now. Population has doubled in my lifetime, but with no thought to compatibility with the previously dominant culture. Multiculturalism is a lie, a cursory look through history will show it inevitably leads to war.
1) Oh they gave thought alright – for decades they have deliberately chosen incompatible immigrants. As an example – they LOVE African Immigrants – unless they are of the Elon Musk kind
2) Diversity divides
3) If diversity is a strength, why does the military wear uniforms?
and here is your early Irish immigration into the South, in short mainly Ulster protestants.
sfw,
I was almost certain to vote 1 LDP in the upper house (as I did in fed election) as they were the de facto opposition during pandemic. I can’t now seeing those preferences. What do they think we should conclude from those preferences? I suppose most people won’t know, and I suppose they are right.
David Limbrick did not give a good account of his dealings with preference whisperer on the bolt report. I overlooked it because I rate Limbrick above Bolt. I am not so sure now.
Mississippi and Alabama had many large plantations and a plantation economy.
The others had a lot of settlement in small scale farming, but obviously not everywhere.
Ranching was also important.
Protestant Christianity seems to have been the backbone other States you mention. I may be wrong in this view, but the discussion is not to pit Protestant understandiangs vs Catholic ones.
It is to see that the nature of America’s settlement allowed a strong Protestant ideology (the Puritan heritage) to prevail. It would be specious to suggest that was all there was to it. Obviously, many religous strands mingled. But to deny the Protestant heritage in America’s ideological make-up is to ignore the reality of it, seen everywhere.
Liz, I warn you now, don’t get CL started on Cromwell as it won’t end well. CL likens Cromwell era as the British version of ISIS. I just hope he doesn’t read this discussion. 🙂
I wouldn’t push that notion too hard, Lizzie.
Harvard & Yale were both founded by Puritans.
Later, the first “Great Awakening”, a revivial of the American ptoestant religious impulse, led to the founding of several other “Ivy League” colleges, including Princeton.
I read Uncle Tom’s Cabin a dozen times when I was a kid, I think I cried over it every time.
Still remember bits like the overseer pressing a pin deep into someone’s arm.
the back pedalling begins
mc, I’m in the same boat. I’ll do my own preferences but I just don’t get why the LDP has done this. From what the local bloke (Tim Quilty) said he has no input to the preferences, so who does? Who is controlling the LDP? I’m a member and we didn’t get asked, the MP says he isn’t so who is?
Neil Oliver: This country must awaken to the realisation that we are being taken for fools
It’s not about protestant v Catholic it is presenting a picture of US history that is inaccurate.
MC and SFW,
I suggest you check out web pages of Turning Point Oz (or their Facebook page) or Reignite Democracy Australia. TP have analysed the deals and given suitable warning as only 8% vote below the line. They show the preferencing of each party and as you have noted some have put odd parties higher up. Find the recent expose by Angry Victorian Party (former Major Heston Russel) on Glen Drury the preference whisperer. Drury admits he controls the preferences for many of the parties due to the deals done. Even says Sack Dan Andrews party is a front for him and preferences will flow to Labor. His aim is to get a cross bench favourable to Labor.
Tell your friends to check it out so they know where their preferences might be going. It explains how people with low primary vote end up getting elected. Drury brags about some of his previous successes in including Fiona Patten.
Anecdotal but the left aren’t capturing all the kids. Certainly not the ones I know, it’s having the opposite effect. Many think along conservative lines naturally, but need the likes of us to speak out to let them know that elders also think the way they do and don’t need to tow the Leftard line.
Yes. Obviously a strong Protestant foundation across the American nation, as I have suggested, and to which Harriet Beecher Stowe appealed.
But Catholicism, as I did mention, also existed in the South.
Both religions conveyed ideas of freedom of conscience, and individual liberty. I have never suggested otherwise.
Thanks for your demographic search re some of the Irish in the South. I haven’t time to do that, and as I said, I am commenting on a book, and from my recent experiences in relationship to it. I have also travelled widely elsewhere in America and have formed my sense of the significance of its Protestant past from those travels too. Beecher Stowe was addressing ALL Americans in her widely circulated and very significant tract. Her references were biblical and quite deliberately non-sectarian.
Bush at 9.20:
Sweet, sweet gold.
Seemed good enough reason to me
Please Note: The preferencing is there in order to give our candidates the BEST chance at getting their seats. It isn’t necessarily because we ‘prefer’ certain folk over others in every case (*obviously that doesn’t count when it comes to putting Greens last and Labor, ALP before them… DO still do this.)
It is ideal if preferences are followed so we can ensure the likes of The Greens and Fiona Patten’s ‘Reason Party’ are pushed out!
The heart of the matter
All Australians are created equal, and they should be treated in the same manner.
By JACINTA NAMPIJINPA PRICE
“When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.”
That’s one of my favourite quotes from Thomas Sowell, the great American writer and thinker. Sowell grew up in segregated North Carolina, and then lived in Harlem. His father died before he was born and his mother was unable to care for him; consequently, his brother and sisters had him adopted by his great-aunt. After Sowell dropped out of high school he was drafted into the US Marine Corps during the Korean War. After his discharge he studied at Harvard University, Columbia University and the University of Chicago, and he’s regarded as one of the most brilliant economists of his generation. Sowell has fought against ignorance and racism all his life and he’s done that on the basis that we are all individuals worthy of respect, regardless of our skin colour or background.
We are all entitled to the dignity of being treated as individuals who can make choices and have responsibilities. Unfortunately, this is not how the left see it. The left seek to divide us by pigeon-holing society into two classes, the oppressors and the oppressed. They have carefully manufactured gender stereotypes for men and women while, simultaneously, generating brand-new gender constructs. They have also developed racial stereotypes, enshrined within Critical Race Theory, to condemn the “white race” as oppressors, and subjugate “people of colour” as victims. If I were to follow leftist dogma and regard myself as nothing more than an oppressed Aboriginal woman, I would be wallowing in my victimhood and rationalising the notion that I am inferior to my oppressors. According to that dogma I have no agency in my life and no ability to make choices. This is dogma that we must reject, for many reasons, not the least because it is patronising and deeply dehumanising.
We are a lucky people living in a lucky nation. Our way of life, democracy, and freedoms are the envy of the world. We have welcomed millions of people to our shores and there are so many more people who would rather live in Australia than anywhere else. But we can never forget that nations, just like individuals, very much make their own luck. We are lucky Australia was settled by the British rather than colonialists from any other country. History cannot be undone, and the inevitable inquiring explorations of mankind have meant all corners of the Earth have been settled. This landmass we call home was never going to be left untouched by anyone other than our First Peoples. The British brought with them the rule of law, concepts such as freedom of speech and freedom of religion, and what became our democracy. Too often when young Australians are taught history, these gifts are either ignored or taken for granted. Yes, like every nation our history features dark and shameful incidents but that is not our whole history. We shouldn’t shy away from the fact that our history is made up of the good and the bad. There is much to celebrate from our efforts to strive to make better lives for all Australians.
Our nation’s schools’ sole responsibility should be to educate, not indoctrinate, but we have in recent times witnessed the overwhelming politicisation of our children. Children are now encouraged to skip school to be paraded as activist spearheads by adults who place the weight of the world on their shoulders. Meanwhile, children in remote communities, where school attendance rates are in some places as low as 19 per cent, do not have the privilege of gaining an education that the activist class take for granted. Everyone wants to be an activist – to push governments to solve their dilemmas – but no one wants to be responsible for themselves.
Our aim should not be to blame our current democratic institutions for all our perceived failures but to encourage the individual responsibility of all Australians. We need to focus on nation building, not nation burning.
Cancel culture’s war on free thinking and free speech must be brought to an end. In order for future generations to benefit from common sense we must arm ourselves with the weapon of truth and stand unified with pride in our shared Australian values and national identity.
When we live in reality, when we call out and say “the emperor has no clothes”, we can begin to solve some of our most challenging problems and we can begin to lift our marginalised out of the pit of their despair. It is time to reassert the values that all good and decent people have fought the hard, long battle to impose through law, the right to freedom of speech, and the overcoming of racism and sexism. All it takes is courage and good sense.
When cultures collide, as happened in Australia over two centuries ago, everyone is affected, for good and for ill. My mother was born under a tree and lived within an original Warlpiri structured environment through a kinship system on Aboriginal land. Her first language was Warlpiri, and her parents, my grandparents, only came into contact with white settlers in their early adolescence in the 1940s. I’m proud my family are from the Northern Territory. In the Territory we call a spade a spade. We are realists and this is likely due to the direct connection to our environment. We have space to think, and the harsh reality of our country is that you need to be very aware of your surroundings and yourself; otherwise, you could perish rather quickly. We had the foundation of a sophisticated but brutal culture, where it was kill or be killed over resources such as water, women and later livestock – food for survival – or from doing the wrong thing like marrying the wrong way or sharing knowledge that’s not yours to share.
I can understand the widespread willingness to recognise Australia’s Indigenous heritage. But most of that “recognition” is virtue-signalling.
In Australia, we have experienced historically significant acts of symbolism that include the 2000 reconciliation walk across Sydney Harbour Bridge. For six hours, 250,000 Australians of all backgrounds walked together to demonstrate the fact that we are not racist but are overwhelmingly in support of Aboriginal Australia. We have spent a week every year since, commemorating this event and what it means.
Throughout Australia, the reinvention of culture has brought us welcome to country or recognition of country, a standard ritual practice before events, meetings and social gatherings by governments, corporates, institutions, primary schools, kindergartens, high schools, universities, workplaces, music festivals, gallery openings, conferences, airline broadcasts and so on and so forth. I personally have had more than my fill of being symbolically recognised.
Australians of Indigenous heritage haven’t only been racially stereotyped – we’ve been politically stereotyped too. Because of my skin colour I’m supposed to vote Labor. It was an exchange with the former leader of the Labor Party Bill Hayden, who conveyed this very stereotype, that compelled Neville Bonner to confirm his membership within the Liberal Party of Australia. Bonner had been handing out how-to-vote cards for a Liberal friend when Hayden exclaimed, “What are you doing handing out those how-to-vote cards? We do more for you bloody Aborigines than those bastards do.” “Well,” Bonner thought, “How dare someone come up to me and presume that, because I’m black, I should support a particular party!”
It is the same attitude we hear with platitudes of motherhood statements from our now Prime Minister, who suggests, without any evidence whatsoever, that a Voice to parliament bestowed upon us through the virtuous act of symbolic gesture by this government is what is going to empower us. This government has yet to demonstrate how this proposed Voice will deliver practical outcomes and unite, rather than drive a wedge further between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australia. And, no, Prime Minister, we don’t need another handout, as you have described the Uluru statement to be. No – we Indigenous Australians have not come to agreement on this statement, as you have also claimed. It would be far more dignifying if we were recognised and respected as individuals in our own right who are not simply defined by our racial heritage but by the content of our character.
For all the symbolism and the “recognition” the left claims it provides to Indigenous Australians, the left continues to ignore Indigenous communities. The lifting of alcohol bans in dry communities, despite the warnings from elders, will see the scourge of alcoholism and violence return to those communities. Coupled with this, we see the removal of the cashless debit card, which allowed countless families on welfare to feed their children rather than seeing the money claimed by kinship demand from alcoholics, substance abusers and gamblers in their own family group. I could not offer two more appalling examples of legislation pushed by left-wing elites guaranteed to worsen the lives of Indigenous people. Yet at the same time we spend days and weeks each year recognising Aboriginal Australia in many ways – in symbolic gestures that fail to push the needle one micro-millimetre toward improving the lives of the most marginalised in any genuine way.
The left are more interested in symbolism than outcomes. Symbolism is easy. Creating a symbol is a one-off act that doesn’t require diligence and persistence. Once it’s done it’s done, and you can move on to the next symbol of your virtue. Achieving outcomes is hard. There are no easy wins and achievement is measured not on the front page of a newspaper but over years and decades of hard work.
More recently the emotional weaponisation of the word “heart” in Uluru Statement from the Heart, the Voice and now the repeated use of the question “if not now, then when?” have all been crafted to appeal to our emotions. But we have every right to question, seek clarity or outright disagree with a vague proposal that’s being sold as a completely new approach to resolving disadvantage.
I began this essay by quoting Thomas Sowell. Something else he said goes like this – “If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labelled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.” I believe one of our great strengths as a country is that, as Australians, we all play by the same rules and every Australian is entitled to equal dignity and respect, regardless of our background and upbringing, and regardless of how many generations our forebears have been here. Australia is a great country and our way of life is the envy of the world. I am proud to be Australian.
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Jacinta Nampijinpa Price is a Country Liberal Party senator for the NT. This essay for Essays for Australia draws on some of her recent comments and writing.
Roger, I am simply using it as a quick reference to the felt effects. The farming communities were fairly fundamentalist in their approach, a simplified biblical world and communal Christian vista.
Harriet Beecher Stowe was herself a very clever biblical scholar and of the ‘Great Awakening’ mode of thought.
I was responding to JC who said that Puritanism played no part in the Constitutional arena.
I think that is not quite so for America, although the ideals were clearly those of the European and British Enlightenment thinkers.
I am not any sort of absolutist about ideologies, they attract the iron filings of all sorts of religious and political strands into the main magnet of their composition.
But I still hold firm to the American experience being one generated by a basically Protestant set of imaginings. In as much as the foundational beliefs of such a large continent can be so particularised.
I thought Ian Cook’s interview on Sky Outsiders this morning was very informative. Considering what he’s been through, I think it has made him very realistic about what he’s up against taking on Andrews in Mulgrave. Yet his impression of people using early polling stations this week is that many voters of all persuasions are sick of the corruption and intimidation.
On top of the swing against the government reported by ALP pollsters in yesterday’s Herald Sun, I am now very eager to see what happens on Saturday, whereas a few weeks ago my assessment was that the Andrews regime had it in the bag, mainly because of the hopelessness of the Stupid Fucking Liberals.
In the 1990s, Jeff Kennett lost an unloseable election for the SFLs (before they were the SFLs).
One hundred per cent. Brilliant.
Absolutely cannot be argued with by anyone who has seen the damage.
Firstly, they were mandates, why you’d even bother to contest this is incredible. Secondly, there was no justification because being vaccinated didn’t practically effect transmission. Thirdly, those that had worked as normal, not at home, through the pandemic and bore whatever danger and inconvenience stoicly only to find themselves coerced or punished at the end was and remains a disgrace.
This is just question-begging (i.e. prudent regulation) and a non sequitur (conflate doctors and mothers being charged with murder for abortions). You don’t distinguish in any relevant sense the application of the principle of bodily autonomy and how two seperate situations might elicit to different conclusions. But this is your MO, you pretend that some logical fallacy is being committed in order to avoid engaging what is actually said. This is textbook Redditor conduct and the epitome of unseriousness.
Ian Cook is the hero we need but won’t get. The Overlords will never allow it.
The next pandemic
Dr. John Campbell
Thanks Bourne1879,
Will check out the website.
sfw, as for who controls the LDP, maybe EdCase* is right and the are all spooks.
*my habit is to scroll by EdCase but anytime I accidentally read a post he seems to be calling someone a spook.
There’s an interesting book I read many moons ago. It’s called Albion’s Seed. The author argued there were actually 4 or 5 (forget) distinct British ethnic groups that went to America.
Puritans
Quakers
Aristocracy
Catholics
:and the abominable Borderers (actually my favorite).
After Cromwell, the new king came along, wanted peace and so he ethnically cleansed the border area between England and Scotland of that violent ransacking vermin. 🙂 The puritans didn’t want a bar of them. The Quakers then learned the hard way and refused take anymore. Finally a lot of them were dumped in the southern states. The estimated number was about 250,000.
The concept of being an American came from the borderers. They were happy to fight Indians and a decent part of the American military hails from this group, according to the book. Daniel Boone, Davey Crockett and George Patton were from borderer stock.
Dot I hope Charles III does the same in the none to distant future.
sfwsays:
November 20, 2022 at 10:58 am
Glen Druery ensured that Meddick’s Animal Justice Party would hold the balance of power at the last State Election. Also, Druery was hired by the LDP as “an advisor’. That was enough for me to recalculate my own below-the-line how to vote card, placing LDP down somewhat and not voting at all for Meddick’s slime. My vote can exhaust after I fill in at least 8 positions.
Was Jesse James a descendant of the border raiders? That would make sense.
The blog’s Fetterman (h/t Bush):
FIFA president Gianni Infantino, on the eve of the World Fling Yourself On The Ground Without Being Touched Cup:
There you go.
He’s had enough and can see what they have planned. And it’s not good.
And in doing so I’m afraid you’re painting us a caricature which doesn’t do justice to the Puritans.
They were not ony steeped in Biblical literature but also the classics. The grammar schools, required to be set up in every town of 100 or more families, taught not only Greek but principally Latin. Ovid & Cicero were in the curriculum as well as the Greek New Testament and Homer. They were no doubt the best educated rude bumpkin farmers to ever walk the earth.
Bowen proves he is a world class idiot. Finally Australia is world class in something. Let’s celebrate this achievement.
“Today I feel Qatari. Today I feel Arab. Today I feel African. Today I feel gay. Today I feel disabled. Today I feel a migrant worker.”
when your a millionaire running one of the most corrupt “not-for-profit” organizations in the world you can, apparently, be whoever or whatever you like and the media will still luv you .. after all the advertising dollar always trumps reality ..!
A very worthwhile read for anyone interested in the subject, JC.
And typically Gillard recognised his genius promoting him to Treasurer to fill Wayne Goosesteen’s big shoes. Luckily Josh left the nation without shoes.
Razeysays:
November 20, 2022 at 11:03 am
based on the harm done to others by acting as an infection vector.
Monty owes the unvax’d an apology. The so called ‘vaccines’ have been proven to have no impact on transmission. In fact they make it worse.
But as typical leftard, there will be no apology.
Forget about apologies from leftards, they cannot admit to error, it would destroy them imtellectually.
The most grotesque thing about m0nty=fa’s response is his (perhaps feigned – see my earlier para) utter ignorance of all that has occurred since mid-2020.
I thought I had plastered my earlier comments with enough qualifications that my picture of US history was about ideologies and where they might have come from. It was never intended as a demographic study apart from the observation (say vs Australia) that the US was founded by closely settled largely protestant farming communities, especially in its earlier years, and that a protestant soul-searching religious morality still plays a part in much American life. It’s an undercurrent to how Americans think, what they find amusing or boring, their general politeness (which can be surprising) and how they behave. This independent nature tied to a religous sensibility expressed in cultural traits large and small is something that has been lost to modernity in the rest of the anglosphere.
If the Irish settlers in the South were mainly protestants then that merely adds to my case, although my familial experience in Louisiana is that the staunch Catholics I knew there are no different in their sense of the American way. It is a widely expressed set of traits and values, symbolised by the flag.
But I do thank you for your contribution about the Shenandoah valley; a place I loved.
Rosie, I kind of get it but given how the preferences work, it looks like the attitude is “if I don’t get in, I would rather the crazies get a seat than someone similar to me so I might get a better shot next time”. This is not likely what the voter wants.
Thomas Sowell was spot on when he said something like “a politician’s first priority is to get elected, his second priority is to get re-elected, any other priority is a very distant third”
I confess to being mystified why the Left seems so keen to do this. What is behind it? Is there a lobby, if so who is the lobby and what are their aims? I smell fire under all the smoke, but whose fire is it?
The Left never does anything without an ideological reason, but I haven’t seen what that reason is in this case.
Fatty Trump is back on Twatter!
Thanks, Musk.
Thanks Roger. I was trying to simplify, probably a bad thing to do.
Your point is taken and yes, I did know the above. I should have mentioned that Harriet Beecher Stowe peppers who own narrative observations as well as those of her characters with classic scholarship in fairly strong doses. It was clearly felt very important to have this Western heritage under one’s belt, especially if making any claims to moral observation, as she was.
I think this is largely a myth. The Founding era and 19th century lived peaceably alongside blasphemy laws, laws against adultery/ fornication/ sodomy, Blue laws, and so on.
Dover
But this is your MO, you pretend that some logical fallacy is being committed in order to avoid engaging what is actually said. This is textbook Redditor conduct and the epitome of unseriousness.
Very well said.
Note that Richard Cranium uses the same MO.
Why would they want to alleviate poverty in Aboriginal communities? It keeps most of them in a juicy .gov job.
that should read ‘her own narrative’.
I guess I should bow out now, having raised corrective ire both Protestant and Catholic breasts. 🙂
I’m eternally fascinated with this place, Roger. It’s never boring 🙂
I say, Australia’s my wife, loving, dependable and lot’s of great memories. America is my mistress. Crazy bitch, and and exiting.
We are fools.
Which Populations Feel Their Country Is On The Wrong Track? (19 Nov)
Aussies are quite happy with the direction we’re going…we’re lemmings voting to go over the cliff.
Interesting you should say that, Dover. I had thought the same thing too, but bowed to accepted wisdoms there. One can’t always cover all bases. 🙂
Aussies are quite happy with the direction we’re going…we’re lemmings voting to go over the cliff.
That is my conclusion. There is a frightening degree of acceptance of government and bureaucratic decisions. It is not just compliance, it is ACCEPTANCE. And it is worse amongst the “educated” class. I suspect the average Joe is not hood-winked, but there is nought he can do to effect change.
I say, Australia’s my wife, loving, dependable and lot’s of great memories. America is my mistress. Crazy bitch, and and exiting.
You 2 timing swine head prefect; and learn how to spell, FFS.
They did the best they could with the limitations and the culture of the times, like those of good faith all try to do. If your culture and laws are built on those laid out in the instructions of your religion, in this case The Bible, then that is a foundation you can’t escape.
We tend to look back on those times through our own soft focus lens – but those times were hard, where daily, casual cruelty was part of life.
True, I would have said much the same myself a decade ago but it’s largely a liberal invention of the mid-20th C onwards.
The ideological reason is the same one they used against the Intervention.
They see it as patronising and removing an individual’s rights to independence.
They fail to see that sometimes an oversight of some sort is far more remedial than allowing a bad situation to get worse, which happens in traditional communities.
It is in the ‘cutting off your nose to spite your face’ genre.
The left don’t care at all about that. It makes them feel good to ‘restore rights’.
Even if in so doing they destroy the rights of others, including children, to food and security.
Which Populations Feel Their Country Is On The Wrong Track? (19 Nov)
Aussies are quite happy with the direction we’re going…we’re lemmings voting to go over the cliff.
That comparison makes sense; the oversea’s nations discontented in Europe, US etc are further down the track with woke, alarmists policies than Australia. We’re about 6 months-1 years behind. After turtle takes us to their level the discontent will grow. Aussies, like sheeple everywhere, know what is happening but through laziness and political/activist hesitation will not voice discontent, let alone do anything until the effects hit them personally. As I say those effects are 6 months-1 year away.
The woke are the slaves
Sunday philosophy stump…
“Banksy” has made lotsa hay with unauthorised graffiti- indeed the borderline illegality is central to his (or her) artworks’ value. Now he’s so mainstream that he’s in Ukraine… and trying to enforce copyright ownership of the graffiti that he had been slinging around the place ad lib.
One of the dissapointments of a recent high school art show I went to was a “Beyond Banksy” line where kids were prompted to put sassy Greta-ings on their facsimilies of famous aaartworks. Banksy cannot hope to rertain ownership of the schtick, in the same way that Ernst cannot own collage in perpetuity or Picasso his rubbish coloured-in crapola.
Even if he sold a tangible item and kept the receipts, the new owner can do whatever the damn hell he or she wants with it.
Good on Guess for having a go at the theme, I reckon, but i’d still rather they return to their design roots of balancing lace on the outer margins of Claudia Schiffer.
In Australia, the various Covid measures were (as Scomo admitted) ‘ as mandatory as they could possibly make them’. This included preventing pharmacies from filling scripts I wrote for HCQ, and having AHPRA investigate me for speaking against ‘the best government advice’
WTF has happened to my country?
Calli, you misunderstand me. They were/ are laws conducive to the common good. I’m not criticizing them at all.
This one’s for Top Ender.
I’m listening to Paul Ham’s book on the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ham makes the claim that Harry Truman regarded an invasion of Japan as being off the agenda after July 1945, which is the first I’d heard of that.
It also seems that, post war, there was a rather fiery exchange of letters between one Harry S Truman, and the city councils of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, on the ethics of dropping the bomb…..
The only puritan impulses that ever effected Louisiana related to Tobasco Sauce, Southern Comfort, gumbo, trad and, uhum, certain maidens.
Those folks offered a ‘one true way’ superior to any other religion in history.
What like mandating vaccinations, masks and arresting people for going to the park with their children?
Sorry Lizzie, I don’t buy it. Not when the Left has shown they just love their shiny jackboots.
The left saw it (the cashless welfare card) as a solution to the dysfunction of one of their key farmable victim groups, and they couldn’t have that.
If they cared about autonomy, they would recognise the value of cash for all citizens – instead they are slowly cancelling that.
Tom at 11:34 – the Victoriastan election is certainly more interesting than I thought it was going to be. Your reading seems about right. Liars but what then for the Chairman?
Bruce of the Cafe Avia – we arrived home to find with delight that Mum Currawong has been busy, tho’ no sign of pa. She was waiting in the still-flowering Jacaranda as soon as she heard my voice, and hopping there beside her were her two latest little fledgies, quite grown up but still squawking for dinner. I don’t think my son did much to feed her, and everyone was very hungry indeed. There is a nest further down in the Pttosporum tree, which pushes into the Jacaranda, well away from the maurauding grey cuckoo. We offered remnant Cat food kangaroo meat, usually disliked but this time polished off pronto.
We quickly put some pork and veal mince on the shopping list.
Just enlarging on your point and giving my two cents worth, Dover.
I try to put myself in their shoes, informed by faith and history and hard times. They did pretty well with their grand experiment. It’s a shame the puny ones who came sooner of later (and there were plenty of spoilers “sooner” too) have all but ruined it.
Finally a lot of them were dumped in the southern states. The estimated number was about 250,000.
Thomas Sowell has a video that draws a cultural connection between these hooligans and modern American black culture.
sooner or later
BB,
It’s literally everywhere.
I even saw two seagulls just south of Boorooban (Hay Plains) yesterday evening. The areas of water on the Hay plains is amazing.
Back here at home base the people I work for when I’m not doing my own thing are in danger of losing approx $1.2million of canola if a hastily constructed, by excavator, levee bank breaks. It’s not quite ready to harvest and the bank is leaking badly so it’s going to be a close run thing.
Word is the Murray peak will hit Mildura and expected to build back, re flooding a lot of areas.
Bruce, I’ve never said the left were consistent in the things they wanted to virtue singal about.
They’d have other sorts of arguments at the ready for mandating vaxes, shutting playgrounds, and putting on the bovver boots. The point is that they frame even their worst actions with spurious virtue claims about rights and protections etc.
Re preferencing being done to maximise the possibilty of being elected. Well the LDP has Animal Justice right up the top of their ticket yet Animal Justice has the LDP almost at the bottom of theirs. This makes no sense to me. I’m pretty disgusted with them.
Re the NDIS, came across this fb company page. It claims to be able to make you wealthy by providing NDIS services. Worth looking at.
https://www.facebook.com/healthcareprovidersassociation
On 13 Nov RT published theory of FTX being… ah well it’s in the URL.
https://www.rt.com/news/566467-ftx-money-laundering-ukraine-democrats/
On 14 Nov the Epoch Times carried a similar story.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/ftx-the-democrats-money-laundering-operation_4862042.html
The next day ABC News In-Depth published this section of Media Watch about the FTX collapse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WtYLSHUfY4
Not a single mention of the Democrats/Ukraine connection.
Ermahgerd, so in-depth!
So you only have to vote for 8 in the vicco LC?
As I’ve said before, I really want meddick out.
Anecdotal but the left aren’t capturing all the kids. Certainly not the ones I know, it’s having the opposite effect.
The best thing that happened to me was getting taught by some real live communists.
They look like spivs to me, sfw.
I wonder, exactly who is going to be “living their best life”? The disabled or the plethora of parasitic “service providers” living off them?
The wording is ambiguous.
Lizzie – Just back inside from giving mince to a currawong – she is flighty and needs several attempts before getting up the courage to take it. Yesterday was awesome: during morning walk down by the foreshore one of the Cafe currawongs, who is nesting in a small patch of bush there, recognized me and came down. Amazing, since as it was Saturday morning there were other walkers out walking as well. She perched on the school fence and accepted some mince. But the best was when my oldest kooka friend found me, she and her mate came down together – then took the food back to their two chicks in a gum tree in the school grounds. Lots of cackling and chuckling, a great treat! Then they came back for seconds together. The lady kooka is at least 13 years old since she started arriving at the Cafe in 2011, since then moved north a km to a different territory (the Cafe’s current boss kooka is one of her sons). It was excellent to see them with kids and having a fine time.
… is not at stake for anti-vaxxers. They have complete bodily autonomy.
What they don’t have is the right to endanger others.
This is the fundamental flaw in your reasoning.
What they don’t have is the right to endanger others.
Peanut Head, give him his due, seems genuine about cleaning up the NDIS. Plenty of providers being given the boot ( not before time under Lieboral neglect).
Nailed it !
Find a vaccine that works dumb cunt. By your fucked leftard logic, it’s YOU who are endangering others.
You are a moron.
Phrasing?
Both sound rather strange Zulu. I presume you don’t have a print edition to check sources?
Re the NDIS, came across this fb company page. It claims to be able to make you wealthy by providing NDIS services. Worth looking at.
My cousin apparently made big $ by writing some sort of NDIS app. Allows you to maximise your extraction and manage the budget of what you can extract.
A diversion of energy, talent and resources to an entirely non-productive activity. Typical Australia.
No.
You can wear a mask and lose some weight.
The blogs Fetterman,
Square that with the “right” to kill an unborn child.
Al sumfin, Dem watchamacallit.
A dementia sufferer threw me that line and we laughed about it.
Losing recall and recall speed is ok as long as you don’t lose your sense of humour.
Where’s munty after his latest peak stupidity?
A couple of days off to spend time with the family?!
Oiy! My grandad from Appleby in Westmoreland had a proud borderer name and so I have borderer blood in me veins.
My Cajun French Catholic cousins in Louisiana also carry local borderer blood as well as sharing mine. Five of my six male cousins are still alive. A couple of them are a bit wild, imho. Fun though.
One of them is a specialist gumbo chef with a 20 gallon cauldron. Diss his gumbo at your peril.
He has entrusted me with the familial recipe. Ingredients may become an issue.
Bwahahahahaaaa. Only you (or possibly Special Ed) could still believe that. And even Special would just be bunging it on.
I view Paul Ham as being one step above Peter Fitz Simmonds as a historian, but, in this case I’m compromising my principles, and ordering a print copy for that purpose.
Just went outside and who should turn up on the back fence but boss kooka! Lunch please. So went in grabbed camera and he very nicely let me get a photo.
mUnty’s GP is Norman Swan.
The blind and almost religious adherence to the policy of lock down and all that goes with it, including forcing people to have the jabs, will kill way more people in the long term than Covid 19 was ever going to.
The sad thing re monty is he doesn’t quite understand the sort of person he really is.
What they don’t have is the right to endanger others.
This is the fundamental flaw in your reasoning.
Your obesity and poor health endangers others by making otherwise unnecessary demands on medical services.
There’s “Get your NDIS blue tick” ads on Spotify.
Barely rising above “This Perth single mum is earning $2500/week by using this one easy trick”.
There are bags of dodgy speculators offering 10%+ for investment in NDIS compliant accommodation construction.
An article that I read said that most of these outfits have no actual NDIS contract but are entirely confident that the scam can be persuaded to purchase their spec humpies. History, it would seem supports their confidence.
Oh ok, you are only talking about the abortions that don’t kill a person.
One million cancer cases unscreened in Europe.
They have no right to endanger others!
Beyond parody.
Giving a bikie Sgt at Arms the gf experience from 8 PM Saturday to 9 AM Sunday???
A couple of days ago a piece purporting to be penned by C.S. Lewis was posted here. From an old devil to a young one, outlining how humanity could be cowed by fear of disease.
There was a flurry of comment from Lewis aficionados questioning the source, and I made a reference to Screwtape’s preference for comfortable and gradual decline rather than the sometimes counterproductive use of terror.
And what should turn up today in the Liberty Quote revolving door?
😀
Just went outside and who should turn up on the back fence but boss kooka!
I should start posting about the turf wars of the cats in the Maldives.
Big Ginger is the restaurant’s cat next to where I live. The bugger can sleep anywhere, even in the middle of the footpath. People just walk around him.
Fat Tabby from the intersecting lane comes down for a daily stoush with Big Ginger. Sort of like a blog stoush, lots of noise but not much action.
When it rains the whole lot of them collect on the front steps of the clothing shop on the corner, about 20. The owner usually comes out with a broom, makes a half hearted attempt to get them off (they lie there like their dead). He then gives up and goes back inside.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
November 20, 2022 at 12:20 pm
The Left never does anything without an ideological reason, but I haven’t seen what that reason is in this case.
The ideological reason is the same one they used against the Intervention.
They see it as patronising and removing an individual’s rights to independence.
Yet they were quite (more accurately, insanely) happy to remove individual rights in the name of a pseudo pandemic.
See also m0nty=fa’s response to Mater this morning, still defending those actions.
Dammit I once had a copy of the Screwtape letters Calli- nice Faber with a crayon sketch of the affectionate uncle. I think I had too short an attention span to read more than a few, plus I was caught in that weird twilight of the soul when a young man is newly married and becomes a father, and so perversely looks down his nose at his inheritance.
Now I’ve probably got 12 Lewis paperbacks, some falling apart by re-reading.
If borderers epitomise US culture, then you see anti authoritarians and anti hierarchical religion.
My US friend spent some time living on a Tennessee mountain with borderer descendants, they dont seem to have changed much since the beginning.
where they went
Zulu
Ham makes the claim that Harry Truman regarded an invasion of Japan as being off the agenda after July 1945, which is the first I’d heard of that.
That would have been soon after the end of the Okinawa campaign. The US naval losses there (36 ships sunk, almost 400 damaged, thousands dead) in a campaign hundreds of miles from the Home Islands convinced the USN that they could not bear the costs of the naval parts of the invasion. Add to that the ground force losses at Iwo Jima and Okinawa.
PS, the damaged included the carrier Franklin, effectively destroyed though it was able to steam home, with around 800 dead and very many severely burned, and the Bunker Hill, heavily damaged with some 400 dead and very many burns cases.
What they don’t have is the right to endanger others.
This is the fundamental flaw in your reasoning.
m0nty=fa wants to cancel all driving (it can “endanger others”), and probably much of modern life. Electricity? Can endanger others. Flying? Can endanger others. Etc.
Need I go on, except to note the overt fascism he displays, proudly?
BoN I saw a male white headed pidgeon for the first time at our beachhouse on Friday, also a mid air attack of a dove by a snowy kestrel, followed by swift death on the ground.
132andBushsays:
November 20, 2022 at 12:53 pm
The blogs Fetterman,
What they don’t have is the right to endanger others.
Square that with the “right” to kill an unborn child.
Forget the unborn, they are already up to time of birth, and that appalling Australian “ethicist” Singer is pushing for post-birth “abortion”, aka infanticide.
Right backatcha- your desire to have ME vaxxed to protect YOU endangers me does it not M?
Miltonfsays:
November 20, 2022 at 12:43 pm
Milton, the minim is five for your vote to count. You can vote for more – or the whole ballot if you like.
Defenders of DictatorDan (which is trending on Twitter in Australia at the moment, oddly) are resorting to imagining all the dictatorial activities that D.A. could have done but didn’t, thus proving he is in fact not a dictator.
e.g. https://twitter.com/stevejco/status/1593909097614626816
The actions D.A. did choose to deploy during the last 2.5 years are straight into the forgettory and the list of dictatorial non-accomplishments sounds like a post-election ToDo list.
Aquatic cats I presume Rick.
Climate Computer Projections & Attribution Claims — versus Reality – Maldives claims sinking but has expanded tourism & built new airports (19 Nov)
All those planes landing on your submerged airport must be a fun spectacle! Maybe the Maldives could host the next COP meeting underwater.
It’s down to who gets to define “danger”.
Bit like who gets to define “nazi”.
If the Japs had surrendered after Tokyo copped the fire bombing as any sane people would, then more than half a million lives would have been saved. And that just in more B-29 incendiary raids, quite apart from the toll of the two atomics.
Climate Computer Projections & Attribution Claims — versus Reality – Maldives claims sinking but has expanded tourism & built new airports (19 Nov)
Exactly. I’m working on the fuel farm expansion for the Velana airport. All on reclaimed land. They just sheet pile the perimeter and then pump sand into the area. Sensibly the airport corporation sends a lot of their engineers to Holland to study. Although all their reclamation work is above sea level at this stage.
One thing about the airport that’s cool is they have the worlds largest seaplane base. 80+ stands for twin otters on floats. The fuel system there is a disaster, might get involved with that at some stage.
Forget the unborn, they are already up to time of birth, and that appalling Australian “ethicist” Singer is pushing for post-birth “abortion”, aka infanticide.
So, other than keep authoritarian Governments in power, what has the AntiAbortion crowd achieved?
Truman regarding any invasion as “off the agenda” would have negated the appalling cost of taking the islands across the Pacific, and the Battle of Leyte Gulf. All cost considerable amount of US lives.
What was he going to do if the US didn’t invade? Use harsh language? The starvation campaign idea was not working as well as could be hoped.
It was either D-Day Mk II, or use the A-Bombs. The latter was the far better option in terms of saving Allied lives.
Kennett is a total negative for the Liberal Party, he pops up every Election, and voters remember what a complete arse he was as Premier.
Millionaire businessman Dick Smith has savaged Anthony Albanese’s government and demanded Australia introduces nuclear power immediately.
The philanthropist told Daily Mail Australia the government was risking ‘destroying the landscape’ and ‘ruining people’s homes’ with its push for more energy through dams and wind turbines.
His intervention comes after Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen previously admitted that, to meet the government’s net-zero goal, Australia would have to install 40 large wind turbines a month and 22,000 solar panels a day.
Daily Mail
Aquatic cats I presume Rick.
Climate Computer Projections & Attribution Claims — versus Reality – Maldives claims sinking but has expanded tourism & built new airports (19 Nov)
I was in Lohifushi in 1998; it was fairly primitive and none of the existing infrastructure, including the ocean huts were there:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Louifushi+Maldives&ie=UTF-8&oe=#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:d5a2a97d,vid:uzjdm3gmaB8
Great left hander.
Re preferencing being done to maximise the possibilty of being elected. Well the LDP has Animal Justice right up the top of their ticket yet Animal Justice has the LDP almost at the bottom of theirs. This makes no sense to me. I’m pretty disgusted with them.
The only purpose of the LDP is to steal Liberal Party votes for Labor.
It stands to reason that AJP doesn’t want it’s voters to confuse the LDP with the Liberals.
I note none of you chuckleheads are challenging my point that bodily autonomy is not at stake for anti-vaxxers. This confirms that Mater is full of it.
Ranga – sometimes, rarely, get white headed pigeons here as there’re a couple of Port Jackson figs in neighbours’ yards.
The fig trees make excellent alarm clocks. The channel-billed cuckoos are into them at 5:30am, and channel bills are about the loudest and most obnoxious bird there is.
Get a lot of raptors also, because of all the Cafe birds which attract them. Often lose patrons. A noisy miner unfortunately got caught by a square-tailed kite a week ago, saw it struggling in its talons as the kite flew away chased by lots of irate birds, and another friendly noisy was eaten by a collared sparrowhawk in the neighbour’s jacaranda some months ago. It was interesting to watch with binoculars, but very hard on the noisy. Fortunately noisies breed like anything: they’ve got another nest in a Cafe tree right now with chicks just hatching, the third tranche of the season.
I’m so tired of “woke”, and even tireder of sexualised “woke”. Just saw “Ammonite” advertised on SBS – a movie about Mary Anning and the Jurassic coast.
Except it isn’t. It’s about the fictionalised lezzo relationship between her and another woman.
The fossil story is a cracker – woman finds strange “rocks” on the coast, collects them and turns the scientific world on its head. But, nooooooooo. We have to have made up garbage instead.
Switch…off.
I still have the beautiful red covered, quarto, illustrated edition that was sent to my mother from the UK in the 1920s. Still in the cardboard package it arrived in. It’s a treasure but I cannot see my children doing anything but pitching it into a bin once I’m gone…because ‘waaaysssist’.
That fb link to a mob called Health Crae Providers Association. I wasn’t linking to it because I approved. It just amazed me that the focus of the page is ‘the NDIS can make you rich’. Pushes all sorts of ways to make $ out of it. Our taxes at work, why didn’t Abbott do something about it after he got elected? Too busy selling out his core on almost everything else.
The vaccine “mandates” are not mandates at all. No one is rotting in gaol for refusing the vax. There are consequences for the unvaxxed, like lowered job prospects in certain fields, but those were entirely justifiable based on the harm done to others by acting as an infection vector.
Buuuuuuuuuulllllllllllllssssssshhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiitttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve seen people threatened by management and now having to fight in the courts to retain their jobs, not get a job. There were also consequences for the forcibly vaxxed. And don’t deny that the threat of losing your livelihood and the ability to function in society were consequences as well as the physical penalties that will never end as a result of the ‘Mandates”.
I watched in horror and then in seething anger as my wife collapsed in the Doctors surgery after her first shot. It was get the shot or get sacked. All due to a ‘Mandate’. The nurses were more worried about the reputation of the vax than my wife. Those bitches giggled while she went into circulatory collapse. They refused to get the Dr when I told them to, I told them to ring an ambulance and they came back with, “it will take 5 hours to get here.” When I told them I’ll take her to hospital myself, they went white and got the Dr. He had an ambulance there in five minutes and said I couldn’t take her myself, I would make her condition worse. I read that as my wife could die in the back of my car.
If it wasn’t for my concern for my wife, I probably would have been arrested as I would have choked those bitches.
My wife is okay now but not the same as she was. I hold a seething hate in my heart for those at the very top of government down to the employers and the shills for the vaxxes.
If you love the vax, have a many as you want. Have one every day for all I care. If you are lucky and they didn’t affect you, great, you be the crash test dummies. At the end of the day, if they work, you are safe, what is the problem? But don’t diminish the very threat to life that these vaxxes cause and the very real threat to a person’s existence in society that not having them caused.
So you’re fine with the government persecuting people to get the vax, on threat of losing their livelihoods, but you hate the idea that a woman might have to drive 100 miles to get an abortion in another state. “My body my choice” seems to have a very, um, flexible meaning for Lefties.
I note none of you chuckleheads are challenging my point that bodily autonomy is not at stake for anti-vaxxers. This confirms that Mater is full of it.
We’re not challenging your point dickless because you don’t have a point: dickless and pointless. Hell of a thing; almost feel sorry for you but since you’re dickless and pointless, I don’t.
I’m glad some of you got my “umbrella” meme on the subject of vaxx and the safety of others.
As for the question of “bodily autonomy”, no one was being held down physically to be vaxxed (although there were reports of some intellectually disabled people having that indignity inflicted upon them). That would require actual effort.
The preference was always going to be coercion through jobs, social shaming, exclusion, emotional blackmail, simple browbeating and fear. The hot irons were simply shown to the captive…that’s usually all it takes.
Thing is, you brain dead cipher, I read your condescending missive to Mater while laughing so hard at the sheer, bald faced stupidity of it. I then spent no more than 30 seconds considering your failure to score a single hit on your target that I wasted not one more second of my time on it.
This confirms that Monty- fa is the ultimate empty vessel.
The analogy doesn’t work for people who believe a kid in a womb is a human entity.
Oh, and you’re a fat donut gulping idiot.
Perplexed! That is a terrible story. And those nurses…we know the type.
They found their narcissistic niche in the pandemic.
Almost all is forgiven, Papa Dick!
That is wrong. They got sacked and excluded from civil society.
The government doesn’t persecute people for that, nor threaten their livelihoods. And the stakes are a lot higher in America than a hour-long car journey.
Of course you knew all of that Bruce, but bad faith arguments based on tissue-thin lies are all you have.
I have never been a member of the Liberals or Labour. There are ex Liberals but almost no ex Labour members of the LDP, excluding famous ex LDP member, Mark Latham.
Your idea is florid horseshit from the bowels of useless idiots like Cory Bernardi, Malcolm Turnbull or Nick Minchin.
Get a load of this useless, obese communist kunt. They’re all so disgusting.
If Government allocated a person one job and one job only, for life, then you might have a point.
What you’re really saying is that you did something you didn’t believe in [take the jab] rather than pull the pin and find a [lower paying?] job.
And it’s someone else’s fault.
… is not at stake for anti-vaxxers. They have complete bodily autonomy.
What they don’t have is the right to endanger others.
Do you not follow the changing data and even official position on transmission???? It has been conceded by Fauci and right down the bureaucratic chain of medicos that the vaccines have NOT been able to prevent transmission of Covid.
Why then, do you persist in suggesting that the unvaccinated are the sole danger to the vaccinated?
No it was not justifiable.
Both vaxxed and unvaxxed got Covid. Many got and continue to get the thing over and over. Because Covid is transmitted by droplet BOTH were and continue to be infection vectors.
What was inflicted on the unvaxxed was based on a lie which continues to be pushed (see Peter Smith’s thread on this blog).
Tarnation. PoofBall will chop down the Twitter tree (the Hun):
Not nearly enough sackings. Who is the ‘insider’ then?
Ah. Carry on:
‘Offline at some stage’ is not ‘falling apart’. It’s a month long socka thing you can’t drink beer at. Nobody cares.
We have blokes here whose job is to measure water flows in different systems. They were at Tocumwal on Friday and there is still a great volume of water on the way.
Ed Casesays:
November 20, 2022 at 1:54 pm
Forget the unborn, they are already up to time of birth, and that appalling Australian “ethicist” Singer is pushing for post-birth “abortion”, aka infanticide.
So, other than keep authoritarian Governments in power, what has the AntiAbortion crowd achieved?
So, other than kill millions, and keep abortionists wealthy, what has the ProAbortion crowd achieved?
I call bullshit on this story.
She staged a panic attack.
Monty goes ad hom again.
Which he does when he’s losing.
Do please be decent son. Numerous people have lost their jobs because of insane lefty government mandates. Like all those unvaccinated servicemen the Republicans have said they will return to service with backpay.
And the inconvenience of a pedocidal woman having to travel a few hours to rid herself of the human inside of her is not something that will render her homeless through lack of an income.
You are just showing the ghastly callousness of the Left by pushing these lies.
“I’m so tired of “woke”, and even tireder of sexualised “woke”. Just saw “Ammonite” advertised on SBS – a movie about Mary Anning and the Jurassic coast.
Except it isn’t. It’s about the fictionalised lezzo relationship between her and another woman.
The fossil story is a cracker – woman finds strange “rocks” on the coast, collects them and turns the scientific world on its head. But, nooooooooo. We have to have made up garbage instead.”
Switch…off.
Me too. I am switching off stuff on television with more frequency.
Mary Anning was not a lesbian. Mary had an interesting life that makes for interesting viewing, it doesn’t need to be fictionalised. So what now, is every single woman in history assumed to be a “lesbian”? What a load of rot. I’m sick and tired of this woke bullshit.
No, if people are being coerced to take A in order to work or participate in society their bodily autonomy is being infringed. Whether or not that is justified by appeals to public health is what is actually being contended. Further, as has already been contended, the vax didn’t effectively mitigate transmission, appealing to no “right to endanger others” is premature and thus question-begging. This is all the more true when there were existing measures like social distancing, masking, available to those that worked through the pandemic while others stayed home that constituted an available measure short of furloughing workers that declined being vaccinated. Moreover, who are you actually protecting? If the vax was effective at either preventing infection or severity of disease once infected, the only segment of the population you could be protecting is the unvaccinated who had themselves accepted the risk involved by not vaccinating. So, there is no ‘fundamental flaw’ in this reasoning, nor have you demonstrated any between comparing the application of the principle re vax v abortion.
Back to the drawing board, monty.
“I call bullshit on this story.”
I call bullshit on everything the fat fascist fuckwit writes.
Is it right that the Catholic Church never had a problem with Abortion for nearly 2 Millenia and that it was only declared a Sin in the 1860s?
Trump is back on Twitter.
Not if they’re pasty, shut-in fantasy footballers living off other people they don’t, no.
Normal people interacting in normal society with mortgages and bills -they most certainly did, and the repercussions are a long way from over.
Dragger, looking through the Herald Sun website today, and it appears that the Danes have taken the Socceroos lead and issued strong statements against Qatar’s human rights abuses. Not strong enough to not play in the tournament, but some words that will surely change the way that country runs it’s internal affairs.
Just quietly, I don’t think Qatar gives a fat rat’s clacker (HT Sam Newman) what Denmark or Australia have to say.
They are so predictably disgusting.
They’re also afraid they’ll be fact checked by a reliable service.
From the hero who told me that I would kill my elderly parents if I visited them unvaxxed. “Die drowning in their bodily fluids” were the exact words used.
Still alive at 91.
When the post-carbon renewables transition plan is (inevitably) exposed as folly and the blackouts occur more frequently, one of the predictable consequences is that most people who socially bought into the whole facade become demoralised.
Did it ever occur to you that the entire renewables doctrine was never intended to succeed and that demoralisation was the main goal of it all along?
m0ntysays:
November 20, 2022 at 2:07 pm
I note none of you chuckleheads are challenging my point that bodily autonomy is not at stake for anti-vaxxers. This confirms that Mater is full of it.
I note that you are avoiding the issue of how the unvaxxed could possibly “endanger” those “protected” by the “safe and effective” vaccines.
Oh ye of little faith, did you not trust the CDC, TGA and all the other other “expert bodies”, that you were and still are so in fear of the unvaxxed?
BB – There’s been some fun due to the beer ban.
World Discovers Qatar is an Islamic Tyranny and There’s No Beer (19 Nov)
Twitter must be going off.
Indeed BB.
On top of ‘feeling gay’ and otherwise inclusive and diverse, the FIFA boss took an hour delivering a monologue about how he was descended from ‘migrant workers’, which translated into Qatari means ‘slaves’.
Not the FIFA boss personally, mind. Somebody else was a migrant worker, and said boss is clearly a victim of intergenerational trauma.
What a great sight… and site. 🙂
Cassie is right: m0nty really is a fat fascist fuckwit.
Imagine that.
Literally working yourself into the grave for an alleged sport where flouncing amid Latinesque hand waving is considered a desirable trait.
Speaking of the Herald Sun website, comes this story:
Matthew Guy has been grilled over his decision to dump upper house candidate Renee Heath from the party room, denying he was aware of a push to disendorse her prior to the November 10 deadline.
Mr Guy was questioned on Sunday as to why Ms Heath — who is expected to be elected to the safe upper house seat in eastern Victoria on Saturday — was not disendorsed earlier this month, as he backed the party process.
“That matter was never raised with me,” he said.
“That process went through the checks and balances that have presented to it and that’s very important.”
“I don’t interview every single candidate … and I don’t make arbitrary decisions on people based on any email or intermediate comments.”
But Kew MP Tim Smith blasted Mr Guy’s decision, comparing the move to the forced resignation of Essendon Football Club CEO Andrew Thorburn.
“I hadn’t wanted to comment on the election, but given Matthew Guy’s attempt to cancel Renee Heath I’ve changed. Guy has no power to do what he’s proposed,” he posted on Twitter on Sunday.
“This is Andrew Thorburn on steroids. This is cultural Marxism and whilst I’m a member of our Party I’ll call this crap out.”
Mr Guy labelled Mr Thorburn’s forced resignation over his connection to controversial church, City on a Hill, “ridiculous” at the time, arguing that the move set a bad precedent.
“What are we now banning people from going to church, banning people from going to a synagogue, banning people from going to a mosque? This is ridiculous,” he told 3AW last month.
On Sunday, Mr Guy refused to comment on Mr Smith’s tweets.
Mr Smith, who has not sought re-election in Kew following his drunken car crash, said Mr Guy had no power to remove Ms Heath from the party room.
“The leader of the Vic Parliamentary Liberal Party has no power to unilaterally remove anyone from the Party Room. Let’s assume Ms Heath wins, she will be a member of the Party Room, if the Party Room votes her out, then she’s out, but I suspect little Matthew won’t get his wish…”
Mr Guy backed the party’s state director Sam McQuestin’s handling of the situation, saying it had been handled “properly and efficiently”.
“What we have in place in our party are sensible with proper processes,” he said.
“I trust implicitly my party to do that work for the information I have at the time.”
On Saturday, the opposition leader announced Ms Heath would not be allowed to sit in the Liberal Party room over her connections to ultra-conservative churches.
The opposition leader said he had made it clear that views such as Ms Heath’s don’t have a place in the party.
“I’ve made it very clear about where we stand on mainstream political issues and where we want the party and the state to be,” he said.
Upper house candidate Moira Deeming in 2020 had described those behind Victoria’s Safe Schools program, which provides training to teachers to support LGBTQI+ students, as “pedophilia apologists”.
Mr Guy was questioned as to why Ms Deeming had not been dumped from the party room due to her controversial comments, but denied that double standards were at play.
Neither Ms Deeming or Ms Heath have made comments relating to their controversial religious views during the campaign.
The Stupid Fucking Liberals really don’t represent anything or anyone.
Of course you knew all of that Bruce, but bad faith arguments based on tissue-thin lies are all you have.
Speaking of “bad faith arguments based on tissue-thin lies”:
Mirror, mirror, on the wall …
Cassie is being far too nice.
Indeed JC.
Vickisays:
November 20, 2022 at 2:37 pm
… is not at stake for anti-vaxxers. They have complete bodily autonomy.
What they don’t have is the right to endanger others.
Do you not follow the changing data and even official position on transmission???? It has been conceded by Fauci and right down the bureaucratic chain of medicos that the vaccines have NOT been able to prevent transmission of Covid.
Why then, do you persist in suggesting that the unvaccinated are the sole danger to the vaccinated?
Because m0nty=fa is a devoted member of the fascist left, in the “Whatever it takes” mould. He will lie, cheat, steal, and would quite possibly murder for the cause.
Haha, idly looked at AEMO electricity prices.
Negative in all the eastern states. As in minus 2c/MWh in Qld and minus $90.26/MWh in Victoria.
South Australia is the standout at, get this, minus $1000.00/MWh.
There is crazy and beyond that there is the AEMO market for wholesale electricity.
Melbourne’s La Trobe was a leading light too.
that’s where dear old Roz came from who was particularly involved in pushing the ‘safe’ schools agenda.
and it true post-modern form the word ‘safe’ means anything but safe.
now its all trannies and sex-tapes from K1 to 6.
anyways, that fungus fruited and spread post-modern spores to all the other universities here too.
I watched maybe 7 family members go through Uni in the last 20 years
and my Ex Wife of the Postructural Feminist Politics PhD fame in the 90’s and early 00’s
hell, for the most part, I read, corrected, and usually word formatted their submissions.
I can say that without doubt that this pernicious wokeness has now infested every school, every curriculum and every young mind
the corrupted grads of yesterday have now sprung into every political party, corporation, family business and public service.
ever wonder about STEM/STEAM ?
and the squealing about needs more wynynsys?
well there’s tons of women in STEM and there always has been.
what there hasn’t been … is femno-marxists in STEM
the injection of A-for-Arts to become STEAM is really only a coded way for the post-moderns to infest the dry and scientific with their idiot politic.
now, even the budding scientisms are either compelled, or offered time/credit rewards, for taking gibber-subjects.
same in Law and business
It has got to the point now where we are told to just Trust The Science.
doesnt matter if its pandemics, demographics, or therma-geddon
just trust the (post-modern) science … which theyre making up as they go.
to sum it up, we’re fucked because (small-p) politics, personal, social, and (big-p) Politics come first
and all the dry, mathematical icky stuff comes second
Lysenkoism:
has come to be identified as any deliberate distortion of scientific facts or theories for purposes that are deemed politically, religiously or socially desirable.
Murder? How so?
Ed Casesays:
November 20, 2022 at 2:43 pm
Is it right that the Catholic Church never had a problem with Abortion for nearly 2 Millenia and that it was only declared a Sin in the 1860s?
Put down the bong, Richard.
the Danes have taken the Socceroos lead and issued strong statements against Qatar’s human rights abuses
I’m expecting lotza “strong statements” from various teams to overshadow poor to average playing performances ..
Goals win games not ‘statements” .. FFS!
Crispin
Did it ever occur to you that the entire renewables doctrine was never intended to succeed and that demoralisation was the main goal of it all along?
The main goal was always to enrich the well connected. Societal collapse after the wealth was harvested was an acceptable cost.
BB – There’s been some fun due to the beer ban.
World Discovers Qatar is an Islamic Tyranny and There’s No Beer (19 Nov)
Muslims and dickess lefties/commies are the cause of all the world’s problems.
That’s a reasonable comment that many would agree with, apart from being Free Speech.
Hold up a flash.
Heath holds controversial and divisive views about abortion.
Deeming hasn’t raised the issue.
The Stupid Fucking Liberals really don’t represent anything or anyone.
What else would you say, you’re a Labor Shill.
Fat Fuck can’t admit that it’s wrong.
Monty,
Just so you don’t think I’m ignoring you (or running from your stupid argument), think no more.
I didn’t expect a good answer, and you met that expectation admirably.
I’ll let the responses or other posters do most of the talking, for all are on point, and I hate repetition.
Let’s address this:
Using your logic, no one is forcing women to not have an abortion (or forcing doctors not to perform them), it’s just that there are consequences. Goal potentially being one of them. If I have complete autonomy to choose regarding vaccination, so to do they when it comes to abortion. Moreover, what’s the difference in being locked out of society for not having a vaccine, which supposedly endangers society, and being locked away from society for killing someone’s potential to even exist?
Exile is just another form of gaol…ask your ideological fellow travellers in communist Russia.
Speaking of comparing apples and oranges, your standpoint mandates a physical intrusion into my body. Banning abortions just limits what you can do to your own (even if you wish to ignore the rights of the foetus). Restrictions on abortion is more akin to the restriction on our use of ivermectin. Vaccine mandates are infinitely worse.
I think you’ll find that you are the one that argues in bad faith and wilful ignorance, although I’m torn on the ‘wilful’ part. The ignorance part is without question.
Ah so he dumped her because she’s a Christian.
Well done Libs, you just lost another few hundred thousand base voters.
JCsays:
November 20, 2022 at 3:02 pm
He will lie, cheat, steal, and would quite possibly murder for the cause.
Murder? How so?
All that weight behind even a poorly swung pitching wedge? Or just sit on someone, and crush the life out of them? The old medieval torture of “pressing” comes to mind.
this is the reason mUnty is so vapid.
if he’s anything like own boy, which he sounds very similar to, he’ll be pretty sure he’s magically inoculated himself by making all the correct noises.
the problem is that as long as there’s tackle bouncing around in yr budgie-smugglers … then your’e the problem
you just don’t know it yet
I know I shouldn’t feed the troll, but –
I was taught about medical ethics in med school. We were taught that ‘bodily autonomy’ meant the patient has the right to decide what medical treatment they receive, and that consent to any medical treatment could only be validly given if informed, ie after discussion of risks, benefits and alternatives (including no treatment).
We were also taught that such consent had to be given voluntarily, ie without coercion of any kind (exhibit A – the Nuremberg Code).
Lying to patients and their Drs about the risks and benefits of the vax, and coercing them into compliance via movement restrictions, job losses and (in my case) permanent loss of career and even imprisonment does NOT equate to respecting bodily autonomy.
The 10th Edition of the Australian Governments’ Immunisation Handbook Section 2.1.3 states:
For consent to be legally valid, the following elements must be present:
2. It must be given voluntarily in the absence of undue pressure, coercion
or manipulation.
Case closed Fat Cunt. Admit, you ARE wrong.
Ed. Fuck off. You add nothing. You are nothing.
it not cowardly … its post-modern valour
A federal court ruled that Dr. Anthony Fauci and other government officials must testify under oath about whether they colluded with Big Tech to censor certain users and viewpoints.
Magic Marvin
Forgive me, but if you’re telling us Latrobe is even considered a university then you really need to go to the back of the class. Lol Latrobe.
Lord Johnsays:
November 20, 2022 at 8:35 am
Test
moderated
Moderated by a Gold Fish Bowl……………………………….
JR
JCsays:
November 20, 2022 at 3:02 pm
He will lie, cheat, steal, and would quite possibly murder for the cause.
Murder? How so?
Why is Montifa wearing football boots to play golf?