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No, if people are being coerced to take A in order to work or participate in society their bodily autonomy is being infringed. Whether or not that is justified by appeals to public health is what is actually being contended. Further, as has already been contended, the vax didn’t effectively mitigate transmission, appealing to no “right to endanger others” is premature and thus question-begging. This is all the more true when there were existing measures like social distancing, masking, available to those that worked through the pandemic while others stayed home that constituted an available measure short of furloughing workers that declined being vaccinated.

No one was being coerced to do anything. Everyone retained the choice, albeit with consequences if they chose selfishly to endanger others.

The vax did and does mitigate transmission. This has been proven over and over again, please don’t play the stupid game of playing dumb about it. It didn’t mitigate it down to zero percent, a fact which you deliberately misuse to make a logically invalid point.

Moreover, who are you actually protecting? If the vax was effective at either preventing infection or severity of disease once infected, the only segment of the population you could be protecting is the unvaccinated who had themselves accepted the risk involved by not vaccinating. So, there is no ‘fundamental flaw’ in this reasoning, nor have you demonstrated any between comparing the application of the principle re vax v abortion.

Incorrect at the time we are talking about, which is during the vax rollout when supply was limited and not everyone who wanted to get jabbed could book a jab. Which you well know, but you are choosing to ignore to make a facetiously wrong point, because you have no real argument.

No one was being coerced to do anything. Everyone retained the choice, albeit with consequences if they chose selfishly to endanger others.

You are just playing semantics. It’s not coercion, it’s a choice? You cannot be serious. The choice is keep your current job or go on the bread line.

If you feel concerned around me as I am only double vaxxed, you can take the fifth jab and double mask yourself. Losing some weight would help, too.

Using your logic, no one is forcing women to not have an abortion (or forcing doctors not to perform them), it’s just that there are consequences. Goal potentially being one of them. If I have complete autonomy to choose regarding vaccination, so to do they when it comes to abortion. Moreover, what’s the difference in being locked out of society for not having a vaccine, which supposedly endangers society, and being locked away from society for killing someone’s potential to even exist?

Mater, this is why I normally ignore you. Equating a long gaol sentence for murder with getting stood down temporarily from one job is utterly ridiculous by you. You are a clown.

Speaking of comparing apples and oranges, your standpoint mandates a physical intrusion into my body. Banning abortions just limits what you can do to your own (even if you wish to ignore the rights of the foetus). Restrictions on abortion is more akin to the restriction on our use of ivermectin. Vaccine mandates are infinitely worse.

Complete nonsense. Doesn’t even make sense internally. Everything you said is dead wrong.

In the words of a great man: Good DAY, sir!

It looks like the continuing Ukraine War is a means to launder money back to the Democratic Party thru FTX and possibly other Cryptos.
Some estimate the UA’s casualties alone to exceed 100,000 dead.

if they chose selfishly to endanger others.

They were endangering no one.

The selfish were the ones who were so frightened for their own skins they lied and coerced others.

Mater, this is why I normally ignore you. Equating a long gaol sentence for murder with getting stood down temporarily from one job is utterly ridiculous by you. You are a clown.
Liberty Quote

Obama ordered the phones NOT to be monitored as well.

It looks like the continuing Ukraine War is a means to launder money back to the Democratic Party thru FTX and possibly other Cryptos.
Some estimate the UA’s casualties alone to exceed 100,000 dead.

It was during my first deployment to Iraq, in 2003, that I first woke up to the fact that most of the wars of the west, at least since Vietnam, have been concocted to financially benefit the military industrial complex at home. I took the regular RPT run around Baghdad in a Blackhawk. We stopped at half a dozen intermediate bases before lobbing at my duty station, the USAF Hospital in Balad. Each intermediate stop point touched down at a base with at least 50 helicopters on it – all multimillion dollar machines, and with ‘running costs’ in the multiples of that*.

It was then I realised what Assange later also observed: the purpose of the War Machine is to wage war, NOT to win it. Our experience in Iraq and Afghanistan bore this out – Billions if not Trillions spent, nothing gained. Note also how, after milking the Afghan war for 20 years, with nothing to show for it, they almost immediately replaced it with the next opportunity to sell weapons (Ukraine).

* Helicopters are very expensive to buy and operate, even civilian helos. In SA, for example, it is a State Level Decision just to add one to the EMS contract (SA has 3). To put this in perspective, the US lost over 5000 helicopters in Vietnam.

Progressives (Marxists) in the Democratic Party are hand in hand with the CCP.

All leftist parties and large portions of so-called CONservative parties now look to the CCP model to learn how to surveil, intimidate, coerce, censor, brainwash, brutalise, punish and generally oppress their populations.

Massive development investments and contracts in deploying this tech have been made and will continue to do so.

Having neo-cons constantly ensuring enemies provides assurance the oppression never stops- for our own good.

Of course people were being coerced. They were told that if they did not take the vax they would lose their ability to work or participate in society.

That is just not true at all. They were excluded from specific jobs and spaces in which they could be a danger to others. Everywhere else, they were fine.

Whining with obviously and patently wrong takes like anti-vaxxers can’t “participate in society” removes all credibility from your argument.

It did preciously little in reducing transmission which is why rates flew through the roof when lockdowns ended even with 90%+ rates of vaccination. If you were going to make a reasonable argument that it sufficiently did reduce rates of transmission such that it did justify coercive measures like mandatory vaccination you would admit the latter and then consider the former. But you don’t, you want to deny that it isn’t coercive but then that it is justified by its efficacy.

Anti-vaxxers here and elsewhere have been screaming about death rates since lockdowns were lifted and blaming the vax… instead of blaming the virus, which is the actual culprit. No, people aren’t dying in large numbers from vax reactions… they’re dying of breakthrough COVID. You babbling idiots.

The concept of breakthrough COVID has broken your minds. You can’t conceive of the idea of a vaccine that partially mitigates rather than fully prevents. You want it to be like the polio vaccine, but it just isn’t.

I usually don’t engage with anti-vaxxers on here any more because it’s wilful ignorance and bad faith turtles all the way down, impervious to reason and long since cut off from reality. I think I might return to that position.

Peace-Mongering, Ukraine style
News Reports and Analysis
Daily Mail, 30th November, 2021
The Daily Mail reported that three gatherings of some Downing Street staff had taken place during November and December of 2020. This was the lifting of the lid on the cesspool of cynicism that characterised the political response to Covid-19 all over the Western world, with the notable exception of Sweden.
In January and February of 2022, the lid was completely unseated. Up to twenty events involving Government staffers, most frequently Downing Street staffers, were investigated. These included two parties in Downing Street on the eve of the funeral of Prince Philip.
24th February, 2022
Russian commences “Special Military Operation” in Ukraine.
The White House 16th March, 2022
President Biden today announced an additional $800 million in security assistance to Ukraine, bringing the total U.S. security assistance committed to Ukraine to $1 billion in just the past week, and a total of $2 billion since the start of the Biden Administration.
Wall Street Journal, 31st March, 2022.
President Erdo?an announces that Turkey has hosted two rounds of Russian-Ukrainian peace talks. These talks had progressed to the point that Erdo?an offered to host a meeting between the two leaders. “Western officials have been hesitant to endorse Ukraine’s proposal to have its security guaranteed by outside powers…”
NPR 2nd April, 2022
“…around Kyiv and in northern Ukraine, Russian forces are withdrawing. …we don’t know yet where these Russian troops are going to be redirected to. The Pentagon says they aren’t going home…
“…there is an attack on a fuel depot in the Russian city of Belgorod, which is near the Ukrainian border.
“Russia has said that the attacks came from low-flying Ukrainian helicopters, but Ukraine’s top security officials deny it. … And Russia has said that this attack could also impact peace talks, which are ongoing.” [my emphasis]
Forbes 6th April, 2022
“A Pentagon official told reporters Wednesday all Russian troops had left the areas of Kyiv and Chernihiv to regroup and resupply in Belarus and Russia…”
BBC 9th April, 2022
‘Prime Minister Boris Johnson has held talks in Kyiv with Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky. No 10 said the visit was a “show of solidarity” with the Ukrainian people. Following the meeting, Downing Street said the UK would send 120 armoured vehicles and anti-ship missile systems to support Ukraine…
‘Mr Johnson paid tribute to “President Zelensky’s resolute leadership and the invincible heroism and courage of the Ukrainian people”, saying: “Ukraine has defied the odds and pushed back Russian forces from the gates of Kyiv“…[my emphasis] Speaking…alongside President Zelensky…Mr Johnson said Ukrainians “have shown the courage of a lion but you, Volodymyr, have given the roar of that lion”…
‘Mr Johnson’s visit to Kyiv came the day after the UK announced £100m of weapons for the country.’
12th April, 2022
Boris Johnson announces that he had received a Fixed Penalty Notice for violations of his own Government’s lockdown regulations.
New York Times 14th April, 2022
Biden Announces $800 Million in Military Assistance for Ukraine.
U.S. Department of Defense 21st April, 2022
President Joe Biden announced today that the United States will send another $800 million in equipment to help Ukraine defend itself against Russia’s two-month-long invasion. Today’s announcement comes on the heels of an $800 million military aid package the president signed last week.
7th July, 2022
Boris Johnson announces his intention to resign when the Conservative Party has selected a new leader.
6th September, 2022
Boris Johnson resigns the Prime Ministership.
New York Post 4th October, 2022
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky seemingly shut the door on the prospect of having any peace talks with Vladimir Putin — but not with Russia under a different leadership. Zelensky signed a decree on Tuesday formally declaring negotiations with the Kremlin autocrat to be “impossible.”
Vladimir Putin Astana press conference 14th October, 2022
“But we are also aware of Kiev’s position – they kept saying they wanted talks, and even sort of asked for them, but have now passed an official decision that bans such talks. Well, what is there to discuss?
“As you may be aware, speaking at the Kremlin when announcing the decision on the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, I said we are open. We have always said that we are open. We reached certain agreements in Istanbul, after all. These agreements were almost initialled. But as soon as our troops withdrew from Kiev, the Kiev authorities lost any interest in the talks. That is all there is to it.”
Foreign Affairs September/October 2022
Foreign Affairs is the house journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, the most influential foreign affairs think tank in the U.S. In the 2022 September/October was an article written by Fiona Hill and Angela Stent, titled The World Putin Wants: How Distortions About The Past Feed Delusions About The Future. If you’re looking for a summary of every article written since February about Putin’s real motives and Putin’s real objectives in the “Special Military Operation” in Ukraine and Donbas, this is a good place to start.
Buried on page eleven is this passing acknowledgement.
“According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.”
* * * *
All of the lives lost, the buildings and infrastructure destroyed, the refugees displaced, and the massive cost to the Ukrainian, Russian and Western economies since April flow from the sabotage of those peace talks. It is well to remember this now that negotiations are once again being proposed, this time by the USA, directly with Russia. The fact that these talks have been proposed by the US, and that Zelensky, who only a month ago declared that Ukraine would not negotiate with Russia until Putin was overthrown, turns the spotlight on the real real Western protagonist of this war. But that merely reasserts the lesson of Zelensky’s reneging on the April agreement.

Monty ate all the pink donuts.

What would Sunday be without a Stalinoid anti-Christian sermon from the GayBC/Arseholes Broadcasting Communism?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-20/clare-heath-mcivor-blogs-about-leaving-city-builders-church/101617836

Sophistry has been superseded by Montistry.

m0nty=fa

Anti-vaxxers here and elsewhere have been screaming about death rates since lockdowns were lifted and blaming the vax… instead of blaming the virus, which is the actual culprit. No, people aren’t dying in large numbers from vax reactions… they’re dying of breakthrough COVID. You babbling idiots.

Prove it, using valid scientific methods and data.

Fat Fuck should be denied medical treatment because it chose to over eat.

Putin successor will be ‘more aggressive’ – with ‘real Russian fascism’ a genuine prospect

Western leaders including Emmanuel Macron are running scared of regime change at the Kremlin, said Owen Matthews.

Putin successor will be ‘more aggressive’ – with ‘real Russian fascism’ a genuine prospect
Western leaders including Emmanuel Macron are running scared of regime change at the Kremlin, said Owen Matthews.
By CIARAN MCGRATH
08:00, Sat, Nov 19, 2022
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Russia may slide into full-blown fascism should Vladimir Putin be toppled as President, a journalist and expert in Russian politics has warned. Owen Matthews, who has just published his new book, Overreach: The Inside Story of Putin’s War Against Ukraine, was speaking at a time when Putin is smarting following Russia’s retreat from the strategically vital southern Ukrainian city of Kherson.

Mr Matthews added: “The important thing to remember is that the opposition to Putin, both in the country and in the Kremlin, is composed of people who are much more dangerous and aggressive than Putin himself.

“In that sense, regime change is very dangerous for Ukraine and for the world, which is one of the principal tragedies and jeopardies of the war’s endgame.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1698458/putin-news-russia-ukraine-war-update-nuclear-weapons

There’s going to be a vaccinated economy, and you get to participate in that if you are vaccinated,” Andrews told reporters

Mater, it was a particular painful time for some. I recall at the time my daughter who had just turned 18 and finished year 12 explaining to me; one day we are all in it together and the next, everyone is celebrating but I am excluded. It was not just cafes and cinemas, it was parties where vaxxed kids were allowed in the house but unvaxxed kids had to stay in the yard and were provided a seperate bathroom (after providing negative rat test at separate location before being transported to the party..I.kid.you.not)

The rest of my family are very forgiving towards people that treated them as diseases but I wonder sometimes when I am dealing with these people if they can sense the resentment still seething under my skin.

People like Monty are not being genuine or are just totally ignorant. Either way, engaging with them makes no difference.

Ed Casesays:
November 20, 2022 at 5:18 pm
Liberal is a dirty word to the Rulers in the United States,

ROFLMAO. Even more grotesque ignorance from Richard Cranium, our resident Dick Head.

That is just not true at all. They were excluded from specific jobs and spaces in which they could be a danger to others. Everywhere else, they were fine.

But there is no evidence that the COVID-19 vaccines prevent transmission, so it’s not clear how the unvaccinated could pose a danger to anymore.

‘Consultation’ as practised by McStalin and the ALP in WA: only politically correct persons will be heard.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-20/wa-government-set-to-overhaul-abortion-law/101675792

I am single, in my 30s and as of this week proud to be known as the “biggest threat” to Australia’s Liberal Party.

you are actually a threat to civilisation

Mater at 3.55:

BTW, Monty, you do realise that permanent vax requirements are now installed in many, many workplaces, don’t you?

He doesn’t have an actual job, so no.

38. Food distribution worker
39. Quarantine accommodation worker

40. Fantasy football maker-upperer

Oh hang on. That one’s not on the list.

Woolworths dropped all their vaccination rules last week.
Workers sacked for nixing the Vax can apply for their jobs back.
Most private workplaces paid lip service to the Rules, but that’s it.

The problem:
Enforcement squads couldn’t be everywhere all the time.

The future is Orange. Get on board.

This is a marker!

It’s Happening!

Half of women aged 25-44 now hold a bachelor degree compared to 39 per cent of similarly aged men, according to the ABS.

In WHICH fields do they hold their specialisations in though?

Gez, you’ve just described my marriage! 😀

No doubt the neo-cons , conspicuous among CEPA’s Supporters and Contributors, would agree with you, Fisk.

“The Center for European Policy Analysis is grateful for the generous support that individuals, corporations, foundations, and governments have given to our work.”

https://cepa.org/about-cepa/our-supporters/

I recall at the time my daughter who had just turned 18 and finished year 12 explaining to me; one day we are all in it together and the next, everyone is celebrating but I am excluded. It was not just cafes and cinemas, it was parties where vaxxed kids were allowed in the house

I did what they told me to do: I followed my Drs advice (I was my own Dr) – I trusted that advice because it was evidence based. I have 2 medical degrees, a specialty fellowship and an honours degree in Community Medicine (aka in Epidemiology). I spent hundreds, if not thousands of hours going over not only the medical evidence, but also the political and historical evidence. I concluded that the risk/benefit equation in taking the vax was not in my own interests, so I didnt.

For that, they cancelled my career, wiped out my income, forever, and had guards on the doors stopping me getting into my hospital. AHPRA investigated me for the crimes of ‘discussing Ivermectin on social media’, ‘antisemetism (for comparing my treatment to the early stage ‘othering’ of the holocaust), and ‘failing to follow government health advice’.

When I protested, my MP sent the police around to intimidate me. When I went to Canberra to protest some more, the AFP laid provably false charges, jailed me for 6 days, then tried, in court, to convict me of charges with a 5 year maximum penalty.

The CFS in SA labelled me a ‘reputational risk’ so I told them to shove it, after 20 years. Then the RAAF told me I couldn’t criticise the Covid response also, so I told them to shove it also, again after 20 years (and 7 overseas deployments) – to quote a poster from elsewhere, ‘the country I had literally gone to war for turned me into a second class citizen’.

Last christmas, I was excluded from my nephews wedding as it was a ‘proof of vax’ event. Fully 60% of the vaxxed guests came down with covid shortly after the wedding anyway. Both my ‘fully vaxxed’ sisters have since had Covid one or more times. All I ever got from covid was a 1 day sore throat (probably contracted in jail in Canberra). Even my own mother used to wear a facemask in the house when I visited.

This was far from ‘a few specific workplaces’ – they cancelled EVERY SINGLE aspect of my life, and I am yet to find out if that is going to include up to 5 years in jail.

This country is fundamentally broken, and I will NOT forgive and I will NOT forget.

Good article about the dirty old Carter stink

Duk, you have pushed this whole thing to the limit. You’ve tested the ramparts, you have defied the embedded bugpeople and you have suffered for it.

You have exposed them for what they are at every turn.

You have my admiration.

@BB- just saw that article in the Hun you posted- what an obnoxious slag. The meja really is like a steaming rubbish heap.

No one was being coerced to do anything. Everyone retained the choice, albeit with consequences if they chose selfishly to endanger others.

On the day I was terminated it was already widely acknowledged that the vax did very little to slow the spread. Now we know definitively that it did absolutely nothing.

Having two choices, one “with consequences” is coercion.

A fascist imbecile in support of the most disgusting chapter in Australian history to date.

What subject is that, Rabz?
Giving gratuitous advice to the Liberal Party while being an ALP branch member?

It makes no sense to mandate vaccines and also allow Fuck Fucks into restaurants.

The attack by the British establishment on the demos continues to ramp up

It’s bloody freezing here in Vic North East. Can someone turn the temp up?

Painters and dockers and Early Kookas.

For munty, who wants to redefine coercion to only mean being dragged out the back and shot in the head: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion

Morris argues that the state can operate through incentives rather than coercion.[5]:?42? In healthcare, informal coercion may be used to make a patient adhere to a doctor’s treatment plan. Under certain circumstances, physical coercion is used to treat a patient involuntarily.[6]

BAM!

So, did you run over any cones, or frighten any road workers?
You musta been slightly in the wrong, the cops wouldn’t just hunt you for no reason?