Open Thread – Tues 18 April 2023


The Incredulity of Saint Thomas, Caravaggio, 1601

2,073 responses to “Open Thread – Tues 18 April 2023”

  1. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    Essex White Hart pub displaying golly dolls vandalised

    “A pub where golliwog dolls were seized by police has been daubed with paint and had five windows damaged.

    The White Hart Inn, in Grays, Essex was targeted at about 00:40 BST on Sunday, and Essex Police said it was conducting extra patrols in the area.

    Five officers seized several of the offensive dolls on 4 April as part of an investigation into an allegation of hate crime.”

  2. calli Avatar
    calli

    Going to be some interesting comparisons drawn in those who mourn Father Bob and the funeral and memorials to Cardinal Pell.

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  3. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Looks like Chalmers will not increase Jobseeker payments as recommended by his advisory committee.

    “Labor will always support the vulnerable where possible but budgetary constraints…”.

    The political reality for Labor is that at some point the NDIS is going to have to be cut to sustain other welfare programs, particularly if interest rate increases send us into recession.

  4. calli Avatar
    calli

    Innocent golliwogs having a quiet evening at the pub, swooped upon and detained by police because they’re black.

    I call that a hate crime.

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  5. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    We might just have to accept that there is a small minority of trigger-happy, iodine hoarding Truthers and Preppers out there.

    No way. They would never.

    Or maybe he was reading on the electric interwebs about standing (and falling if necessary)

    He can read all about it for the next 20 years, undisturbed.

  6. Oh come on Avatar
    Oh come on

    Andrew Hastie on Mark McGowan:

    The truth is that he’s a prison guard looking for work now that the pandemic has finished

    I have a lot of questions about Hastie but he nailed this one.

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  7. C.L. Avatar
    C.L.

    Meanwhile, in the former Christian kingdom of Britain…

    https://twitter.com/MorgothsReview/status/1648304144145424385

  8. dover0beach Avatar

    A lot of people here seem to think we’re seeing the end of the West and the US in particular.

    Two things, firstly, hard to give an answer unless we understand what is meant by the West. Secondly, I’m not sure people are actually arguing that the West or US is over as opposed to suggesting Western hegemony is in decline. I don’t think anyone is arguing that the US at least will not be a superpower, only that it won’t be a global hegemon.

  9. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Skinsuit cavorting in the first degree.
    This is grigglebot dancing in mummie at goodbye horses x10!

    Doctor Who has degenerated into a right-on lecture

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/04/18/doctor-who-has-degenerated-into-a-right-on-lecture/

    If the PR drive is anything to go by, the message of the upcoming series, which begins this autumn, is all about diversity – and, in particular, LGBT representation. Earlier this month, the BBC announced that Jinkx Monsoon – a two-time winner of RuPaul’s Drag Race, who goes by she / they pronouns – will ‘appear in a major role’ in the upcoming series. Monsoon is joined by Ncuti Gatwa, whose casting has been widely celebrated in the press, largely on the grounds of his identity. He will become Doctor Who’s first black lead, and the Doctor he plays will be gay, too. Meanwhile, a new character, Rose, will be a transwoman, played by trans actor Yasmin Finney. Some critics have hailed this series as a new ‘queer era of Doctor Who’.

    Dr Poo-puncher

  10. Dot Avatar

    Dr Who is irredeemable at this point.

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  11. dover0beach Avatar

    Meanwhile, in the former Christian kingdom of Britain…

    The West died by suicide.

  12. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Another one.
    This time it was fatal.
    No suggestion of burglary or other criminal intent.

    Give it a week for the truth to percolate to the surface. Maybe it happened exactly as reported, maybe it didn’t happen as reported.

  13. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    NEW YORK — A 20-year-old woman was shot and killed Saturday after she and three others accidentally turned into the wrong driveway while looking for a friend’s house in rural upstate New York, authorities said.

    As usual, there seems to be a bit more to this story that the victim’s spokesperson and the clickbait press is letting on.

    81 year old man. Living on a very secluded property out in the sticks, with a driveway more than 200m long, signposted with ‘No Trespassing’ signs. 10 o’clock at night.

    2 people in a car “looking for a friend’s house” pull into his driveway and supposedly turn right around to leave.

    This 81 year old man sees them, interprets what he sees as a threat, arms himself, leaves his house, advances to a position where he can shoot, shoots. All while the car is “turning around”. Really?

    Suspect’s spokesman – “This was not a simple case of coming up a driveway and turning around. The description I was given by my client is there were multiple vehicles, including a motorcycle, revving engines, coming up the driveway at a high rate of speed.”

    The truth will be somewhere in between I think.

  14. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    The truth is that he’s a prison guard looking for work now that the pandemic has finished

    Pretty accurate, in Victoria’s case it’s a psychopath prison guard….

  15. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Suspect’s spokesman – “This was not a simple case of coming up a driveway and turning around. The description I was given by my client is there were multiple vehicles, including a motorcycle, revving engines, coming up the driveway at a high rate of speed.”

    Narrative starting to unravel within about 20 minutes….

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  16. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Alamak!says:
    April 19, 2023 at 1:11 pm
    Boambee – Not much is my guess for an average, at best, Media fluffer for the Greens/teal/Labor mob. Won’t be long before every said Left-wing Pollies have their own Chat GPT Media Bot to do the fluffing and how will poor shills survive then …

    Grandpa Ed Simpson isn’t a bot? Who knew?

  17. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    In looking for traditional scientists declaring “women don’t have a penis” I found this article.
    https://exploringyourmind.com/castration-anxiety-according-to-psychoanalysis/
    Wow, did Freud believe some super crazy nonsense or what?

    The 50cent tour of 20th century psychology I’ve heard basically says that some of his ideas were carried forward and developed further by others such as Jung, while some of Freud’s more bizarre ideas were politely left exactly where they were and not to be touched again with a barge pole. I do rather hope the above is in that latter category.

  18. P Avatar
    P

    Shorten outlines key areas of reform in NDIS ‘reboot’
    19 April 2023
    The National Disability Insurance Scheme is set to undergo serious and systemic reform to ensure it continues to meet people’s needs in the long term. Source: SBS News.

    More than half a million Australians receive support from the NDIS, which was established almost 10 years ago by the Gillard Labor government.

    The scheme is on track to be one of the federal Budget’s biggest expenses, with projections showing it will cost more than $50 billion by 2025/26, overtaking the annual cost of Medicare.

  19. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    High school cheerleader, going to college, Disney fan and all-round girl-next-door.
    She sure has put a lot of effort in over many years to create a cover for a burglary of some old fart’s farmhouse.

  20. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    SITREP 4/18/23: Dark Clouds Roll In, As Things Heat Up

    SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER
    19 APR 2023

    Firstly, let’s get the leaker out of the way. One interesting thing that’s come to light is that Jack Teixeira, the air national guardsman from Massachusetts who leaked the documents, did in fact have a TS-SCI clearance—which is Top Secret Sensitive Compartmented Information. This is beyond a simple top secret clearance, as the SCI portion would enable him to view far more sensitive types of information.

    But what’s more interesting is that he worked for the infamous and highly-storied 102nd Intelligence Wing. This unit was in fact embroiled in some major controversy and coverups, now deemed “conspiracy theories”, particularly in relation to 9/11, where it appeared to be complicit with the plot to withhold U.S. air response in order to allow the hijacked planes to carry out their functions.

    Some further shocking revelations include one report which said that Teixeira had actually been sharing secret files for over a year already, from as early as March 2022 because he was disillusioned with the U.S. government, regretted joining the service, and also thought that Russia and Ukraine should reconcile. Gateway Pundit reported that he first transcribed documents himself and merely posted the text online, but then started taking the documents home and photographing them to upload them fully to the net. The fact that he could get away with slipping these highly classified docs from the secure facilities and take them home is very surprising.

    What apparently happened was that he initially posted them only to close friends in one Discord group he was a member of, but eventually other people from that group re-posted those documents in other groups, like Minecraft servers, etc., and that’s how the docs inevitably leaked to a larger audience and garnered attention. But prior to being posted in secondary chat groups, he was allegedly posting these docs to the first primary group since early last year. And that whole time it had gone undetected.

    Meanwhile, mainstream media has even been trying to spin the leaks into something beneficial:

    In fact, there are more and more signals from the West and their MSM lapdogs that Ukraine’s mighty offensive will be rescheduled to next year. The public-conditioning operation is already in full force, with NYTimes and other outlets carefully preparing and pre-shaping public reception by slowly introducing lowered expectations.

    It’s difficult to truly tell how much coming from the West is genuine as opposed to deliberate disinfo to sidetrack Russia in preparation for Ukraine’s true offensives.

    There are many such games going on, as reported by Russian forces on the frontlines. For instance, from Russian Two Majors channel:

    This is in addition to major radio games, mentioned above, where Ukrainian forces are now deliberately ‘projecting’ and telegraphing various plans and movements in order to mislead and trick Russian forces. RYBAR reported on how sophisticated these methods from the AFU have gotten in recent times:

    Russia is taking things slowly and patiently. The signaling coming from Russia is that this conflict can go on for a long time, and Russia is concentrating on equipping its economy in a sustainable way that will allow it to successfully conduct the war while simultaneously enjoying economic growth and prosperity.

    Ex-Russian General and now State Duma deputy Andrei Gurulyov said the following yesterday:

    State Duma deputy Gurulev said that the conflict in Ukraine will end by 2030. According to him, by that time Ukraine will basically cease to exist: “We see how Orthodox priests are being bullied, hatred for Russia is being hammered into children’s heads, this is done by people who used to live in Russia – a country that was once called the Soviet Union. If they are going to drown the whole Crimea in blood, then we have only one way out – by force.

    No monetary hubs of Poland will help, or thoughts that there will be another Ukraine somewhere. She won’t. Basically, it won’t. This project will be closed one way or another, this is clear to all sane people. There are questions about the time it will take: a year, two, three, five. The deadline is 2027-2030.” I agree with Gurulev that Ukraine will cease to exist. Moreover, it will cease to exist not “in principle”, but in reality. Ukraine will disappear from the world map.

    And until this happens, the war will not end. How long it will take no one knows.

    Some will balk and say well, if it takes Russia til 2030 to beat Ukraine then that means Russia is weak

    To that I say, so be it. Russia will be ‘weak’ then, and NATO will have been even weaker for losing to it over the course of 10 years. The juvenile banter about ‘weak or strong’ is not what this war is about. For Russia it’s about survival. If Russia has to take 10 years to maximize its strengths and win in the way that serves its interests best, then that’s how long it will take.

    At the end of the day, if Russia was so ‘weak’ for its handling of the current conflict, then NATO would likely have already pounced and finished Russia off. But instead, NATO is shiftily waffling around and acting really nervous—that should tell you something.

    The pilot also makes some interesting statements regarding Ukrainian air and anti-air capabilities. Firstly, he emphasizes the huge difference between flying in Syria and Ukraine, and goes on to praise the Ukrainian foe:

    The Ukrainian army is a strong opponent. We are confronted by professionals of the Soviet school, who studied in the same academies as us. At first, we also met highly motivated fighters. And in war, the main thing is morale. The most dangerous ones were those with crosses and swastikas on their chests and brainwashed heads. These butted heads very hard. But now the staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is gradually being ground up. The initiative is on our side, and it is important not to lose it.

    He also makes the following interesting statement regarding Ukraine’s pilot attrition:

    As far as I know, last year there was a third-year graduate from the only Ukrainian military aviation school in Kharkiv. And you’re supposed to study for five years. What is the third year? This is when they taught takeoff and landing in an abbreviated course – and that’s all. Until you work for 10-15 years as a real military pilot and learn how to perform combat tasks automatically, you are just a flying target.

    Therefore, the period of flight activity of Ukrainian pilots has been greatly reduced. Now we see that in fact the Ukrainian pilot is a suicide bomber.

    Forbes also released a new article bemoaning the ‘usefulness’ of new American Avenger missiles—the same ones that failed to protect America’s own troops in Syria recently.

    Once again, the naive U.S. military learns a hard lesson from this war.

    The article ends with another stunning admission, that due to their vulnerability—quelle surprise!—the Avengers may never actually see true combat:

    If this all seems like a giant headache—well, that might explain why the Ukrainians so far have consigned their Avengers to a sector of the country where there’s no major ground combat.

    They might never deploy the Avengers to do what they were designed to do: escort front-line brigades.

    Truth is, the U.S. has to get its own house in order. Just yesterday a score of U.S. troops were injured in a major accident, when their Stryker vehicle collided with a MaxxPro MRAP in Germany:

    And this comes after news broke that Ukrainians have already lost their first one or two Leopards in a training collision.

    In this video, a Polish officer can be seen describing what he saw, and his quite frank estimation of Ukrainian tankers:

    “I’ll be honest, I’ve never seen such clumsy [tank] control anywhere before.”

    Days ago, a Canadian outlet released a damaging report highlighting the complete chaos inside the AFU. ‘The White Papers’, as it’s called, is a report written by three retired NATO officers who spent the last nine months fighting in Ukraine.

    The lengthy report outlines a Ukrainian military command structure that, at times, is in disarray and a crumbling military communication system that could result in losing “generations of Ukrainians” if intervention in military tactics isn’t taken.

    Two of the authors are former high ranking members of the U.S. Special Forces. The third, who spoke to CTV News on the condition of anonymity, is a former major with the Canadian Armed Forces. In an effort to conceal his identity, CTV News has agreed to refer to him as Matthew.

    The officers relay that Ukraine has had massive losses of its officer corps:

    “They (the Ukrainian army) have had huge losses with their junior officers. It’s well documented.” He’s also points out by releasing the White Papers, “We’re striving for the better outcome. We’re not striving to criticize the Ukrainian military.”

    Another report from Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant goes off on a similar beat:

    You can read the jaw-dropping highlights for yourself:

    “The army of Ukraine is bursting at the seams”!

    Not that we’d necessarily expect for them to admit it, but it’s worth mentioning.

    A report posted by the AFU’s 35th Brigade on their channel stated that they will have absolutely no remorse for cowards and quitters. Not only did they openly say anyone who turns back will be shot:

    Ukrainian army threatens to kill any soldier who deserts or refuses to fight.

    “Those who are afraid to go on offensive, we will kill onspot. In new and strong Ukraine there is no place for cowards.” -Ukraine Army 35th brigade on Telegram.

    But they even admitted that they will weld cold-footed tankers into their tanks to make sure they don’t run away at inopportune times:

    In the 35th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, skeptical soldiers will be brewed in tanks

    “Those who are afraid to go on the offensive, we will kill on the spot. In the new and strong Ukraine there is no place for cowards. We will weld the doubters in tanks so that they do not run away at a difficult moment. Time requires such actions,” the Ukrainian telegram channel says.

    Striking as that may seem, it has already been a well-documented tactic of the AFU. Not only do we have videos like this one, of Russian soldiers describing seeing this at the front:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1603865701332181017

    But there is even a direct video showing a Ukrainian tank captured with its hatch welded shut and its surrendered crew trapped inside by Ukrainian blocking officers:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1601866882356846592

    Well, that’s all for now—things are certainly due to heat up soon as the period of the AFU’s grand offensive watch is now beginning, with the mud season due to start coming to an end soon. A higher intensity period is likely to begin as the dregs of Winter wash away.

    I leave you with these last few headlines as a reflection on the state of things:

  21. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    rickw says:
    April 19, 2023 at 1:34 pm

    Suspect’s spokesman – “This was not a simple case of coming up a driveway and turning around. The description I was given by my client is there were multiple vehicles, including a motorcycle, revving engines, coming up the driveway at a high rate of speed.”

    Narrative starting to unravel within about 20 minutes….

    His lawyer putting some Mayo on it.
    OK. It’s a 200 metre driveway. If they came up it at ‘high speed’ they would have been at his door in seconds. Even at 60 kmh that would take 12 seconds.
    As for ‘revving engines’ is firing at the car a proportionate response?
    It seems the evidence is the fatal bullet did not come from head on, which makes it a trifle awkward for the shooter.

  22. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Dr Who is irredeemable at this point.

    They could do a “Dallas” and retconn the last 15 years as all being a nightmare cause by the dr being put into some sort of mind torture machine/ shower cubicle by the Master.

  23. C.L. Avatar
    C.L.

    Sad to see Barnaby Joyce’s betrayed ex-wife do this to herself. She had a nice middle-aged woman’s physique – now ruined.

  24. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Secondly, I’m not sure people are actually arguing that the West or US is over

    Sure! No way people can come to that assumption with statements like this.

    The West died by suicide.

    Chuckle.

  25. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Yeah, being an authority on Doctor Who is deffo proof that you’re not a Flamer.
    Keep tellin’ yourself that.

  26. calli Avatar
    calli

    One of the comments from C.L.’s twitter link:

    sny
    @can_sny
    ·
    15h
    This is all about demoralizing normal people

    I have to agree. The sheer volume of propaganda is depressing. On every front which makes it seem impossible to fight. So the temptation to retreat and cocoon becomes strong and almost irresistible.

    Which is just what they want.

    Witness the quantity of inane trolling on every subject imaginable just on this site alone. Then go over to C.L.’s and see the same stuff regurgitated.

  27. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Quiet side bet.
    What odds Hunchback gives Fr Bob a state funeral?

  28. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Ed job lacing its mutton with gypsum again.

    Go rub more liniment on mummies suppurating pustule you freak.

    In other horrible creatures new, one of the chaps here onsite is a little miserable after attempting to tickle a redback.
    Nothing morphine and icepacks cant help with though.

  29. C.L. Avatar
    C.L.

    I sense that the world is sick and tired of the war in Ukraine.

    Even the Albanese government has told the Uke panhandlers to bugger off re Hawkei vehicles.

    ‘Bad breaks.’ LOL.

  30. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    From the Comments on above Article

    Simplicius has another site, Dark Futura

    War of the Eternals – How the Eloi’s Fractionalization of Language Keeps Us Divided

    Ever notice how the average person these days can’t hold two opposing ideas simultaneously in their heads? Always leaning on the crutch of one extreme or the other? You know the famous quote, misattributed to a score of people throughout history:

    The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.

    Today’s societal discourse is a roost ruled by demagogues and firebrands. Social media has created an environment where long-form thought is quickly becoming obsolete, upstaged by the cutting, emotionally-charged demagoguery we’ve now come to expect in most online ‘discussions’. The tagline, byword, buzz-line rules above all.

    Twitter popularized sharing ideas in bite-sized chunks of a hundred and eighty characters. Before long, even noted academics were scribbling pieces in newly reductivist cant, using bastardizations of language like ‘bcuz’ or ‘/w’ to fit arbitrary wordcount constraints.

    Anti-intellectualism has long been the fashion of the day, but these incremental designs have slowly eroded our ability to express, and therefore navigate, complex problems. Everything in our culture now springs from baseness—or is steered towards it. Reductivism of thought and concepts, false-dichotomies and dualisms—they are Overton Windows which are constantly pushed on us under duress, coercing us to think reductively in a way that keeps us from puzzling things out.

    These techniques are part and parcel to the mass-scale engineered misdirection the ruling class has been utilizing since the late aughts, which I wrote about here:

    Gossamer Tethers of Our Reality Constructs

    Naming and exploring the Noumonicon.

    Rise of the TechnoGod: Artificial Intelligence Black Swan and the AI Threat No One is Talking About

    Fracturing Identity at the Altar of Transhumanism

    How the engineered social upheavals of the post-Obama era dovetailed into a transhumanist revolution, for the sake of keeping the collapse of the global order at bay.

    Legacy Media is an Antiquated, Obsolete Relic

    And when their grip on power over narrative loosens, things get desperate.

    The Fourth Estate

    A very long time ago what is now called journalism played an important part in a society bereft of any long-distance communications. Long before the internet, or even telegraphs and telegrams, there was no real way for humans to learn about events in another province or state, much less another part of the world.

    Not only were normal citizens removed from distant events, but even had they been in the vicinity, a slew of courtly concerns were simply out of reach for the commoner. The earliest ‘newspapers’ often reported such royal demarches by way of connections to the elite upper crust. The point being that, even the act of obtaining information considered newsworthy would often be a privileged action.

    Over time, however, news services became incrementally less of an essential utility and more of a ‘convenience’. For instance, during World War 1, the average citizen of most developed countries could hypothetically apprise himself of a given piece of news or breaking update on the war across the ocean with a timely telegram sent to a friend or family in the place of interest. But lining up in front of a news service bulletin printing live updates on the situation, was certainly in many ways more convenient, and faster.

    Age Of Regression Upon Us

    On the threshold of Neo-Luddism, and other things.

    The other day I stumbled into a Walmart for the first time in many moons, and was awestruck to see the music section converted into a wall of vinyl records. Must be some sort of vintage sale gimmick, thought I. But upon closer inspection, I discovered these were new releases, of every conceivable genre and artist. And to boot, being offered up right next to it, were brand new record players. Not those cheap electronic knock-offs with circular touchpads modern DJ’s use to mimick record scratches—but actual, real-minted, newly-produced record players. Sure, they were embellished with a skin of splashy modern design—but they were record players, nonetheless. Had I stepped through a portal into the ‘70s?

    Coincidentally, just two days prior I’d seen this article about Metallica having purchased their own personal vinyl pressing plant, in light of surging vinyl sales. In fact, in recent times vinyl has surpassed the sale of CD’s for the first time since 1987.

  31. calli Avatar
    calli

    The ex-Mrs Joyce can do whatever she pleases. If it’s body building, good for her. At least she hasn’t retreated to the freezer cabinet and the endless icecream pails of despair. Or decided to become a man.

    There’s two sides to every break-up story though. And I bet there is to this one too.

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  32. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Sad to see Barnaby Joyce’s betrayed ex-wife do this to herself.

    Yerg.

    She looks like a cute owl that’s been left in the sun for eight months or so.

  33. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Dot says: April 19, 2023 at 1:29 pm

    Dr Who is irredeemable at this point.

    All seemingly part of a wider programme to trash everybody’s childhood heroes and instill hopelessness in the proles as adults. It’s almost excusable for Doctor Who since the Doctor was capable of regenerating into very different appearances anyway, but who ever said a male Doctor can’t be a role model to girls too?

    They’ve done it to Captain America.
    Have they done it to Superman yet?
    One could argue some of the Tim Burton Batman movies were heading in that direction.
    I fear it’s all leading to Arnold Schwarzenegger in a tutu.
    Or possibly a Predator with abandonment issues and gender dysphoria.

  34. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Meanwhile, in the former Christian kingdom of Britain…

    I recall people doing that in 1935, although they used different colours.

  35. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    Working my way through Shitweasel’s National Electric Vehicle Strategy. Unsurprisingly, aside from the proposed Fuel Efficiency Standard, there is little of practical substance:

    * Preparing for a recycling, reuse and stewardship initiative for EV and other large
    format batteries
    * Developing a national mapping tool to support optimal investment in – and
    deployment of – EV charging infrastructure
    * Tools and guidance to enable EV uptake for residents of existing multi-residential
    buildings
    * Funding to support world-leading EV guidance, demonstrations, and training
    for emergency service workers

    The Fuel Efficiency Standard itself is a blunt weapon – essentially a penalty on vehicle manufacturers who fail to import/sell enough EV’s to offset the sales of higher emitting vehicles. Five minutes on the back of a coaster fleshes out the unintended consequences.

    Most of the document is a collection of parables and prayers from concerned citizens desperate to own an EV, or for EV’s to urgently save the world. Some passeth the understanding of man:

    “There are opportunities to be seized as the
    world makes this transition. Australia is rich
    in the resources necessary to enable zero
    emissions vehicles, meaning there are new
    job and investment opportunities that will
    deliver for our economy going forward.”
    – Business Council of Australia

    We are saved by ‘the resources necessary to enable zero
    emissions vehicles’. Apparently.

    And, of course, the Strategy comes with an absolutely stonking ‘Acknowledgement of Country’.

  36. C.L. Avatar
    C.L.

    I recall people doing that in 1935, although they used different colours.

    It is stunningly evocative of Berlin at that time.

  37. dopey Avatar
    dopey

    I see the Voice is now ‘constitutional reform.’ They’ll give anything a run if they think it will go over.

  38. C.L. Avatar
    C.L.

    I see the Voice is now ‘constitutional reform.’

    I’m surprised they didn’t go with ‘constitutional care.’

  39. Mak Siccar Avatar
    Mak Siccar

    The Bab Bee strikes again! Chortle, snork!

    WILMINGTON, DE — In a stunning result that came much more quickly than observers expected, the 12-member jury in the Fox News-Dominion Software trial has voted in favor of Dominion by a count of 138,000 to 1.

    “This was a complete reversal of the way things looked just last night,” legal analyst Alan Dershowitz said when word of the ruling began to come out. “It seemed like the decision would end up being much closer, but at some indiscernible point, a massive number of jury members flocked to Dominion’s side of the argument. A total landslide decision!”

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  40. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    I’ll just leave this here but…

    The claremont serial killer liked dressing up in womens’ undies/clothes…

    So… I guess Karine JP would think it a victim these days, right?

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  41. dover0beach Avatar

    Sure! No way people can come to that assumption with statements like this.

    The West died by suicide.

    Chuckle.

    Not at all, bespoke. The Economist article pretty much discusses the West as an economic entity. In the second comment above I’m referring to it as a cultural entity with a 1500 year history. That is why in the first comment, in the first sentence which you thought better off not including, I wrote: Two things, firstly, hard to give an answer unless we understand what is meant by the West.I’ll take this as a simple misunderstanding. ‘Chuckle’.

  42. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Bahahaha….


    The Republican supermajority in West Virginia’s House of Delegates became more lopsided Monday after Del. Elliott Pritt switched from the Democratic Party, the state’s GOP leader said.

    Pritt, a teacher, is in his first term after defeating a Republican incumbent in the 2022 election.

    “I want to welcome Delegate Elliott Pritt to the Republican Party,” West Virginia Republican Party chairwoman Elgine McArdle said in a statement. “Like so many West Virginians, Delegate Pritt has recognized that the Democratic Party of today is not the Democratic Party that our parents grew up with.”

    Mountain mamma…take me home…

  43. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    Sweden’s public radio said Tuesday that it would stop being active on Twitter,

    So – one would expect that all the public media institutions leaving should mean that they can now reduce costs by getting rid of those people who spent their entire time putting material on twitter.

    No ?

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  44. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “The claremont serial killer liked dressing up in womens’ undies/clothes…”

    Not an uncommon thing for deviants, perverts and serial killers to do. I watched a Youtube documentary earlier this year and a chief suspect in the Beaumont children’s disappearance also liked to attire himself in satin clothes, which of course sexually aroused him.

  45. Figures Avatar
    Figures

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/gold-coast-woman-bella-fidlers-sudden-death-in-just-24-hours/news-story/31115331ca083b7a9cc6a76b1a5ce1e2

    Vaccinations – you only have to mention the word and virtually everybody loses half their IQ points and all of their principles.

    Can the vaccine worshippers here please use some introspection for the education of myself and explain why you’re so desperate to cling to them despite all reason? Surely you must know, deep down, that your love of these vile concoctions makes you completely insane. So why are you prepared to go mad just to defend them?

    Dot? You are sane on virtually every other issue but mention vaccines or germs and all of a sudden 2 and 2 make purple.

    Monty is insane on every issue and obviously incapable of introspection so I’m not interested in his thoughts (and I use that term loosely).

    Cassie? You’re absolutely amazing. And yet, you still cling to the idea that diseases are contagious despite the fact that a simple stroll into a hospital or doctor office will definitively prove that they aren’t.

    Oh and BTW, total invasive disease rates have risen since the various meningitis vaccines – Hib, Prevenar etc. I mean, surely it’s obvious. Vaccine for a particular germ gets introduced, doctors still see those corresponding symptoms (in this case meningitis, pneumonia, sepsis) but stop testing for/blaming that germ.

    It is obvious. But there’s a psychosis around vaccines (and germs) and I would love for the otherwise intelligent people who are completely mesmerized by them to explain it. Note that I am not interested in your nonsensical mental gymnastics – I’ve heard them a million times before and destroyed them all. I’m interested in knowing why vaccinations create such a deep feeling of loyalty that you’re willing to destroy your mind just to defend them.

    Just as remarkable, when you provide an explanation of disease that isn’t mathematically impossible and actually explains all the noted phenomena people attack you. I mean, wouldn’t you *want* to know the secret as to what causes diseases? Apparently not. Because understanding what actually causes diseases means you can no longer believe in the precious, wonderful, magical vaccinations – the ones that don’t work and cause injuries and deaths. And you can’t have that. For some reason.

  46. Jorge Avatar
    Jorge

    I sense that the world is sick and tired of the war in Ukraine.

    This must only confirm Xi’s daydreams. The same for Taiwan.

    I wouldn’t send my grandkids to war there.

  47. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I see the Voice is now ‘constitutional reform.’ They’ll give anything a run if they think it will go over.

    “Once the Voice is enshrined in the Constitution, they won’t be able to get rid of it, the way they did ATSIC.” Linda Burney.

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  48. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    The Demonrats in West Virginia are in a lot of strife at a State level. Jo Manchin, surely, is in trouble for US Senate? Their off-the-cliff reduction in recent Statewide figures haven’t been this bad since the Great Depression…

    Perhaps all the coal closures in WV are taking their toll…

  49. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Monty is insane on every issue and obviously incapable of introspection so I’m not interested in his thoughts (and I use that term loosely).

    Figures, Monty was only expounding the virtues of poo smearing a few days ago, he loves germs…

    apparently…

  50. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Cassie? You’re absolutely amazing. And yet, you still cling to the idea that diseases are contagious despite the fact that a simple stroll into a hospital or doctor office will definitively prove that they aren’t.”

    Err…what…..I think you have a case of mistaken identity here, but since you’ve mentioned my name, it is an indisputable fact that many diseases are contagious.

  51. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    Sweden’s public radio said Tuesday that it would stop being active on Twitter

    That seems a reasonable thing to do as the ‘coordinating govt propaganda and censorship division’ doesn’t exist there anymore.

    I mean if you can’t control the media what use is it?

  52. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    Jo Manchin, surely, is in trouble for US Senate?

    Actually, I think Manchin’s seat is fairly safe as his reputation is someone who does what is right for his state first and the party far second such as when the greenies wanted to wipe out coal production.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he switched parties as well though. The WV state legislature is super majority Republican and the state has somewhat of a tradition of its politicians switching to the Republican party. Their current governor was elected as a Dem but switched to Rep 6 months into his term.

  53. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Dover
    If you are of the belief the US is in some cultural collaps then the economy will surely follow as it always has. Personally I think it isn’t as bad as the pundits say but enough to be concerned. That article it typical of 80’s hubris eccontomist of the day.

  54. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    The Trolls here like to bring up Lysenko-ism every 5 minutes, but tell them planes alone couldna brung doon the Twin Towers, they’ll go fully Autistic.

    Same with vaccines, how come Thoroughbreds aren’t vaccinated, some galah advertised one today costing $121,000 for a stud service.
    What do the insurers say about that?

  55. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    Witness the quantity of inane trolling on every subject imaginable just on this site alone

    I don’t have much difficulty distinguishing between the relatively sane commenters and the others. Measured, analytic discussion on the one side, semi-hysterical on the other.

    I don’t think I have Asperger’s, not at all. I simply recognise that I get better results from using my brain for thinking than from using my hormones.

  56. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yesterday, as well as looking over some old memorabilia I spent an hour commenting on the Australian quick fire – eleven times, with only one comment being rejected. That one said a named ‘aboriginal’ with no identifiable aboriginal heritage or communal links was ‘on the gravy train’. Go figure, maybe they thought he would sue.

    I think it was time well spent, for I got 63 upticks on one re the Libs and the Voice, and some in the 30’s as well as smaller numbers on other topics. There is a wider audience on the Oz, which makes me think it is not a waste of time to speak up there for the centre-right, as well as replying to some idiotic climate trolls, but it is not personalised in any sense, unlike the Cat, and a good comment can also get lost in the other 700 incoming.

  57. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    If you are of the belief the US is in some cultural collapse then the economy will surely follow as it always has.

    A couple of interesting things seem to be happening right now. First is that unemployment is very low. I think that is due to a lot of people no longer being able to work, due to vaccine disability. They’re invisible since no one wants to talk about them. Thus they go onto welfare quietly and soak up yet more service personnel and time in the medical space, therefore further reducing unemployment.

    The second interesting thing is that commercial property prices are collapsing, especially in the US. Again that is in part due to Covid, since a large number of employees have decided they really like working from home. Encouraged too by cities like NY, LA and SF rapidly turning into pestholes. And the corporations are in a bind, since they’ve been unsuccessful getting them back into the office, yet can’t bring the hammer down since unemployment is so low.

    So if there’s going to be a recession it’ll be because commercial debt will hit the banks. That’s a lot better than 2008 though, since that recession was due to residential housing debt. The quirk of the US system is that mortgage slaves can hand their keys into the bank if the house value is lower than the mortgage balance outstanding…then go get another mortgage immediately and buy another house at the lower value, and save themselves $50,000 or more. But commercial property debt isn’t like that – it’s much more like mortgage debt here, they can’t get out of it so easily.

    Meanwhile vast numbers of immigrants are coming in over the border, and they all have to live somewhere. Which suggests housing is going to be in short supply. So overall I don’t know what will happen.

  58. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    The Trolls here like to bring up Lysenko-ism every 5 minutes

    Gladys Lysenko emigrated from the Ukraine in 1919, and co-founded the Queensland chapter of the Country Women’s Association in 1923. She died in 2007 as one of the great Australians of our time.

    How dare you.

  59. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    but tell them planes alone couldna brung doon the Twin Towers, they’ll go fully Autistic

    Ed-Mong going the full truther.
    Never go the full truther.

    (its a hairs breadth away from going the full “Jews dancing as the towers tumbled”)

  60. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    There seems to be a quiet surge in country shoppers here too – less visible because apparently they’re coming by air not leaky boat.

    Stop the planes? Jet-setting asylum seeker claims soar (Daily Terror, 19 Apr, paywalled)

    Thousands of would-be refugees are clogging courts and tribunals trying to stay in Australia as the number of asylum seekers arriving on our shores via plane skyrockets. Here’s why.

    I can’t read the story because of the paywall, but I saw the headline this morning.

  61. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Here’s another one for ya:
    There were no WMDs.
    929,000 people in the Middle East died for a lie.

  62. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    What would Figures do if someone spat in his food?
    Totally harmless right!

  63. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    there’s a psychosis around vaccines (and germs)

    There sometimes is, Figures, and I’m looking your way when I’m saying that.
    You are obsessed and uninformed, a bad combination in my view.
    But have your say. Those who don’t think you harebrained can argue back.
    I won’t waste my time with your specious ‘doctor’s waiting room’ arguments that ignore the complexities of immunity in populations. Almost 90% of the native population after the Spanish conquest of the Americas died from introduced contagious diseases to which they had no immune resistance, a pattern repeated elsewhere under Imperialism. In modern populations resistance is never total either and fast changing pathogens can still be deadly.

  64. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Sveriges Radio said on its blog that Twitter has lost its relevance to Swedish audiences. National Public Radio and Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, meanwhile, have pointed to Twitter’s new policy of labeling them as government-funded instititutions, saying it undermines their credibility.

    My, my, government mouthpieces don’t like being called what they are. What’s more, seeing as they are the official info organs I would expect accuracy to be their wheelhouse. Then again Twitter is a private enterprise and acted as an arm of the US government until Elon Musk put a stop to it.

  65. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If the Voice is successful at referendum – President Lidia Thorpe of an Australian Republic?

  66. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    But it’s fun that Swedish government broadcasters think that Swedish snowflakes have vacated Twitter. I wonder where they’ve gone, Facechook?

    They’ve gone to TikTok like snowflakes worldwide. There are no accurate labels there.

  67. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Ed Casesays:
    April 19, 2023 at 3:29 pm
    Here’s another one for ya:
    There were no WMDs.
    929,000 people in the Middle East died for a lie.

    Grandpa Ed Simpson

    Does the 929,000 include those who died in the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, and the suppression of the Iraqi Kurds and Marsh Arabs in the same decade? Events that involved the use of mustard and nerve gases by the Iraqi government? Or don’t they count?

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    due to a lot of people no longer being able to work, due to vaccine disability.

    I agree there is a lot of it, Bruce of Newk, but I doubt if it is the only or even main factor. A lot of people also seem to have realised that it’s easier to sponge off government handouts now they’ve tried it during Covid, and as you note, it’s also easier to ‘work from home’. Also, a lot of the vaccine injury was bad for a while, but many people do gradually improve over time – that happened to my son with his vaccine-induced wrist synovitis. He’s functional again now after six months of real disability. And people are now much more wary of accepting the mRNA type of vaccine now. Boosters right down.

  69. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    calli at 10:08 – Yep, quality of service providers varies enormously and there isn’t much you can do but suck it and see. Anybody who has swapped GPs would relate. I’ve been lucky so far but had to swap Plan managers following complaints.

  70. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Knuckle Dragger says: April 19, 2023 at 3:23 pm
    Gladys Lysenko emigrated from the Ukraine in 1919, and co-founded the Queensland chapter of the Country Women’s Association in 1923.

    Lol.
    Btw, neither that name, nor date, are consistent with what is written on the small plaque inside the CWA hall in town here.

  71. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Zatara – I’m not so sure about Manchin’s re-election chances…

    Jim Justice (gotta love that name) seems* to be pulling ahead by 10 points there…

    *i’m not one for trusting such early polls, entirely.

  72. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    If the Voice is successful at referendum – President Lidia Thorpe of an Australian Republic?

    She’ll have to stand in line behind Marsha Marsha Marsha, sTan Grant and Pat Dodson National Treasure™.

    Da Republic is in the news today again, which I take to be more softening up.

    Royal expert calls into question whether PM Anthony Albanese has ‘priorities straight’ with republic referendum (Sky News, 19 Apr)

    The Albanese government has committed to holding a referendum on the republic in the second term of government, should it be re-elected.

    A national consultation tour is expected to begin early next year that will help the government form a campaign ahead of an expected referendum, sometime after the federal election, which is scheduled for 2025.

    Speaking to 2SM on Wednesday, Mr Albanese was asked whether a republic referendum could be on the horizon amid his trip to London for the ceremony on May 6.

    “I support Australia having an Australian as our head of state, but I respect the system of government that we have,” he told host Richard King.

    If the political stars align you just might think Luigi could bring the Republic referendum forward combine it with the Voice one. He likes to save munni after all.

  73. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    I asked Chat to give me a reason why oligarchies don’t work, and He gave me an answer instead on why the Voice doesn’t work…

    It is a matter of grave concern that the concept of entrusting legislative power solely to a single advisory body must be unequivocally denounced in the most emphatic terms. It is a fundamental principle of democratic governance that the prerogatives of accountability and transparency must be jealously safeguarded, and that no entity or grouping, no matter how eminent or authoritative, can be permitted to wield unchecked and unfettered power over the political and social fate of a given society.

    The specter of placing legislative authority in the hands of a single advisory body is a veritable affront to the values of pluralism and deliberative democracy, and indeed constitutes an egregious violation of the very foundational underpinnings of our political and constitutional order.

  74. Alamak! Avatar
    Alamak!

    ZKIIA – She is in extreme training mode now, though as Australia’s greatest Drama Queen rather than Prez.

  75. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Elbow, commenting on Lidia Thorpe’s communication skills (the Tele):
    “I hope that Lidia gets some support. …”

    Woodstock Users Anonymous springs to mind. Can’t hurt.

  76. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    It was not meant to be rational but purely destructive, which it is on an unimaginable scale.

    Why “Net Zero” Is Not a Rational U.S. Energy Policy

  77. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    ‘Bud Weizer Ad Parody’…………………

    https://youtu.be/B6PYN50oE1s

  78. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Elbow now giving gratuitous psychological diagnoses.

    Anyone who’s spent as long in Liar Cabinet as Albo has probably seen it all. As well placed as anyone.

    “Take a seat. Albo will see you shortly.”

  79. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Btw, neither that name, nor date, are consistent with what is written on the small plaque inside the CWA hall in town here.

    You want what? Evidence of assertions thought up in 20 seconds and put on the internet?

    Yeah nah.

    /Ed October (cat fondler)

  80. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    Lysander – perhaps they will just switch places. Manchin was governor before Justice.

    Interesting side note: Justice is the wealthiest person in the state of WV, a good portion of that wealth being from coal mining. He’ll be fun to watch slap down greenies if he gets into the US Senate.

  81. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Woodstock Users Anonymous springs to mind. Can’t hurt.

    That was not nice, Bear.

  82. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    What about moose farts, and buffalo farts, and elephant farts and deer farts etc. etc.? You will note that the emphasis is ALWAYS on the controlled human element. How could it be otherwise, when the clear object is controlling humanity?

    How Cow Farts are Damaging the Environment

  83. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Ah… didn’t know that Zatara… thanks! I hear popcorn a’ poppin’

  84. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    a lot of the vaccine injury was bad for a while, but many people do gradually improve over time – that happened to my son

    Lizzie – I suspect also that “long Covid” is actually “long Covid vaccine”. The mRNA model is just the sort of thing to encourage autoimmune diseases. CFS is very debilitating – my mum had it and several other I know. There’s an interesting report I saw today:

    New study shows ‘Long COVID’ is unrelated to having the virus (17 Apr)

    A new study published in JAMA has demonstrated that so-called “Long COVID” has no statistical link to prior COVID-19. Rather, the initial severity of whatever virus a person succumbed to, along with loneliness, insufficient physical activity, and other issues are what determine the longevity of post-viral conditions.

    The “it’s all in your mind” thing affected CFS patients for decades, and still does I think, it was very hard for them to find GPs who would treat it seriously. That would be doubly true for vaccine-related CFS, given the extreme opprobrium which lands on any medico who might suggest such a thing.

    So these people would go onto DSP or NDIS and disappear.

  85. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Elbow, commenting on Lidia Thorpe’s communication skills (the Tele):
    “I hope that Lidia gets some support. …”

    Tennis Elbow, you are a Farking dope. And what about all the people that really need support. Like, the Aboriginal children in neglect. All other children in neglect. Battered women. The homeless. The elderly. Dan of Sicktoria and his Budget. The ‘Libs’ (lol)…………………………….etc. etc. etc. FFS

  86. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    EU Parliament adopts ‘holy trinity’ of climate laws

    Gaia, Satan and Al Gore?

  87. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Oh come on at 1:25

    Andrew Hastie on Mark McGowan:

    The truth is that he’s a prison guard looking for work now that the pandemic has finished

    Like Emperor Barney, Sneakers end will be swift and complete. Like Chairman Dan he is lucky that State Liar is all but devoid of talent (as usual) and the State Lieborals can’t even fill the Goodies bicycle.

  88. JC Avatar

    Doc

    I want to get back to that discussion we were having last night, where you conveyed unhappiness with the state of primary research over the past 100 years and the reasons. I am partially sympathetic to your points; however, I believe you’re underselling the astonishing advances made in applied science/engineering.

    I posted the other day a WSJ piece mentioning the first mobile phone device ever used occurred on 6th Ave near the Hilton hotel in NYC. (Ironically, that was literally across the street from where I worked for several years.) It then took until around 2006 or so to see the first smart phone that looked similar to the ones we’re using now. It’s true that it took some time to make the advance, but that doesn’t mean the technology wasn’t around earlier.
     
    The first smart phone could have been built in the early 90s, but the cost would have been US$5.5 million.

    I brought up this example to demonstrate that massively significant advances were made to bring a smart phone to market, costing around $750 in 2006. This example shows how discreet advances have been made without much fanfare.

    It’s wrong to just look at primary research without giving voice to applied science. 

    Another example was the mapping of the genome about 25 years ago. The pharmaceutical industry is just getting started on the incredible advancements we’ll see in life prolonging drugs with a genetic background.

  89. Tom Avatar
    Tom

    Gladys Lysenko emigrated from the Ukraine in 1919, and co-founded the Queensland chapter of the Country Women’s Association in 1923. She died in 2007 as one of the great Australians of our time.

    How dare you.

    Thanks, KD. Laughed out loud.

  90. JC Avatar

    Get a load who’s praising Father Bob.

    @AdamBandt

    Vale, Father Bob.

    A ferocious advocate for justice, refugees, and the vulnerable.

    Your generosity & humour will be missed, comrade.

    Did Bob even believe in God?

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