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Open Thread – Weekend 13 May 2023
- Bumtree #1
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- Nuclear power and the foundational lie
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Interesting. Just looking through Karl Polanyi’s bio and learned that he was Michael Polanyi’s brother. The table talk would have…
March 2021.
Bang on Milonf he idiot student union with its hedonism of sex, substance addiction and entitlement to a bougise lifestyle…
Wow. Will the corporate media drop everything and hound Albo every hour of every day until names are named?
Pancho, I’m very tempted to engage in some. They’d probably make more sense and be far more enjoyable than the monstrous mediocrity we’re immersed in.
Walli Dali:
It’s taxation by another name.
LOL – sacré bleu!
Not all change is positive either. Ask the victims of Pol Pot and Dan Andrews.
I’ve always been in favour of women’s health.
I think we need to stand up and proudly declare that we are conservatives, and by that we mean “conserving” the West and the pillars it’s built on, European classical antiquity and Judeo-Christian morality. The West is under sustained attack and it is we who are the conservationists.
I regard myself as a conservative nationalist. I now have major doubts about “liberalism”, it is liberalism that has helped fuel this neo-pagan society we now find ourselves living in. Liberal tolerance has fed the beast that is now consuming us.
Karl Popper said it best…
“Less well known than other paradoxes is the paradox of tolerance. Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.”
We have tolerated the depraved, the corrupt, the wicked, the evil, and the profane. And now we have drag queen story hour, cocks in frocks in women’s spaces, and the insistence that not only do we “tolerate homosexuality”, we must “celebrate homosexuality”.
Ask Mark Latham about tolerance, about to be sued and hauled before the AHRC because he wrote a few plain words in a Tweet.
Ask Pauline Hanson about tolerance, about to be sued and hauled before the AHRC because she wrote a few plain words in a Tweet.
Ask Sall Grover, Kath Deves, Moira Deeming, Bernard Gaynor, Kirralee Smith, and others, and guess what, they’re coming for us too.
I wanna know how they pull it off.
is it like a flash-mob where a bunch of seemingly unrelated fellas with tidy haircuts and black shorts are wandering through the crowd and then almost like magic they’re suddenly doing a nazi dance-off?
or are they disguised in like fake suits (possibly using velcro) and when somebody gives the signal they all strip down to their yoga pants and boom!, it’s a nazi aerobics show ?
maybe they come in a van with the windows tinted and it pulls up and they file out and then the nut bush music starts?
so many questions
Yeah in spades.
7. AI Brings Change, but Change Won’t Happen Linearly; There Are Periods of Slow Change and Periods of Rapid Change
Vladimir Lenin, the Russian revolutionary and leader of the Bolshevik Party, is quoted as saying: “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.”
We’ve just entered a period in AI development where decades happen, with the release of ChatGPT and a plethora of other AI software sweeping the market. The next few months and years will probably see rapid change in how society adjusts to AI.
As I said he is more optimistic than I am, but these are his words. But then I’m a miserable paranoid sort of guy, so perhaps ChatGPT won’t turn into Lenin reborn.
bruce.of.newcastle> Regarding point 7 (“7. AI Brings Change, but Change Won’t Happen Linearly; There Are Periods of Slow Change and Periods of Rapid Change”).
This one will be quick as there are many use cases for replacing human inputs with content from AI bots to save $$$. Even with all the bias, wrong answers and cost of scaling generative AI will be used for CRM queries, data analysis, media content generation, medical checks and reviews, interviews, teaching within 12 months. I know this because many commercial and educational orgs are running trials now and asking for systems to be enabled with AI support. Its started already.
Many contributors here have opined that this Neo Nazi crapola is a false flag.
It is in my mind correct. Tried and true from the US, complete bollocks and if the idiot phuckwit Pessuto actually believes this, as evidenced by the expulsion of Deeming, he must now go. And go now.
Thanks, Delta. I appreciate that acknowledgement more now than I would have previously. It has been a challenging several years, as I know it has been for others also. In some ways, I’ve been comparatively lucky not to have lost as much, but those comparisons don’t really help when it gets down to it, and the ride is far from over.
In one sense, I’ve enjoyed coming back to The Cat – I’m still amazed at the humour (it’s like episodes of South Park) – but in another sense, the exposure to the problems of our world has not been helpful to either my physical or mental health, both of which are a wee bit fragile.
I’m normally averse to sharing personal information, but perhaps there are some who need to know there are others whose lives are far from perfect; Stumbling hesitantly, awkwardly, and without enough dignity to shampoo an eyelash, is sometimes the best I can do.
Undoubtedly the virile, fashionably-primitive regulars don’t need any reassurance, but perhaps there are lurkers who consider they don’t ‘fit in.’ Nobody ‘fits in’ here: we’re all irregular, unpolished, stripped threads.
Thanks again, Delta. I hope the ebbs and flows are treating you and yours well.
“Neo Nazi crapola “
A perfect description BB.
Keith Windschuttle, making a great deal of sense.
Trump hit that CNN town hall right out of the ball park. What an amazing performance. He also hasn’t lost any of his golden touch such as referring to the CNN door bitch as “nasty”.
BB – Proscuitto blundered onto Crudlin weeks ago claiming that he had definitive evidence that Ms Deeming was an Eva Braun to the Grampian Nayzees, as documented on her wikipedia page.
One of the most uncomfortable televisiual spectacles, evah. Especially when the Crudlin goes nookular on his house sized backside.
Why he is still leader of the Victorian gliberals remains one of life’s grate mysteries.
It really doesn’t matter where you put your vote, because someone else will come along and move it and it’s always been the same … 😕
This has been a wonderful Mother’s Day, starting with a gift of home grown Chryssies and Chanel no 5. Rules around here are, fellas and grandgirls do all the cooking (and cleaning up) on Mum’s day and they set out brilliantly with a huge brunch: bacon, eggs, tomatoes, mushies, chipolattas, spag and beans, pancakes with fresh cream and maple syrup, toast and plunger coffee (my fav). And loads of lovely flowers.
More coffee for afternoon tea: homemade scones (using my late father’s special recipe) with raspberry and strawberry jams and more cream. Then, Best Man and I hopped (or rolled) into my buggy and we let the chickens and lambs out to forage for an hour or so.
Such a beautiful warm day, with mares’ tails wisping across the sky, hinting at rain in the next day or so. (Hope some heads your way, Gez and Bushy.) For the first time in four years, I actually got a little sunburnt.
Excellent boy planning for dinner: takeaway fisherman’s basket packs from the new, flash chippery in town. No prep. Everything goes in the dishwasher later. Love those army guys.
How lucky am I?
NT News polling:
When I leave the Northern Territory it will be because?
I’ve had a gutsful of the heat during Build Up 5 %
My mum lives interstate and I really miss her 2 %
It’s too hard using Glad Wrap under ceiling fans 0 %
Air-fares are too expensive 3 %
Buying or renting a house is unaffordable 3 %
I’m fed up with crime and anti-social behaviour 76 %
I’m fed up with trite newspaper polls 4 %
None of the above 7 %
I hope all the Kitteh mothers had a wonderful day.
There is a big picture we old grumps have been privileged to see through our many years shouting at clouds.
I am trying to see a way to fight back, and make things better.
Trying to go for a big win seems stupid, after what has happened to the previous attempts; joining parties, letterboxing and doorknocking, how-to-vote cards; my candidates have got elected, one got to be education minister. My Letters to the Editor got published.
My proudest achievement is that my children are not conformist drones of their milieu.
But after the Bernardi failure, Federal SFLs, the state elections resulting in unchecked power due to useless SFL oppositions, the Canadian and New Zealand examples, the world economy, China, and the complete failure of the Law Reform Commission investigation on WA gun laws (among the rest) I am totally demoralised.
What is to be done?
Firstly, it is an opportunity to assess how I want to live my life.
Second, it is an opportunity to change my mind.
I look wistfully at what might make the world a better place; people learning how the values that make life worth living are not what the world is teaching. How can we make these values more accessible? Where is this taught? What are good examples to act upon?
I look at my lawn, and consider getting those meddling kids off it.
I look and see that the evil being done is not (mostly) wilful acts of extreme nastiness, but little acts of daily choice that drive whole systems. To make a difference, those daily choices have to be addressed through the systems that reward the bad ones.
A systems approach.
Am I going to be part of a win?
Alamak – My brother runs a fairly significant IT company, at Easter he said to me he has two AIs doing cyber security and other stuff. It was an interesting comment.
We Cats are seeing only the stuff that has emerged into public, there’s clearly a huge amount going on under the hood.
Hugh Poate makes the point in his book “Failures of Command” that “Every Major General who served as Australian Commander of Middle East Operations was awarded a DSC.” He could find no evidence that any Major General who held this posting had served in action in Afghanistan ….He makes the point that “This was a copycat situation of what took place in Vietnam: of 726 awards approved in ten years, just 22 private soldiers were given medals for gallantry, while some 150 officers were decorated with various medals, with several Brigadiers at Task Force headquarters getting DSO’S. (Page 301.)
At what point does sh^tholification become inevitable?
What percentage of employed, law abiding, tax paying residents have to leave?
Much less than 76%, I’d imagine.
I recall Prosciutto saying he wants to ‘work with’ the dicktator. Some opposition.
Indeed, JC. That’s why we need him back. In any just world, he’d be nearing eight years into his second term.
How anyone can claim that 2020 election wasn’t rigged is beyond me. I was with a group of Cats (and a Gliberal senator seated next to me) at the Sydney CPAC that witnessed the steal in real time.
It was beyond blatant.
lot’s of idiots in that camp BB … many of them highly edumacated too
I did some house moving for family yesterday and had to go to the barrister’s house for the mattress and base. So he comes in the car with me cos I have the trailer.
Interesting conv … Let’s just say that he firmly believes his biases are keeping the rule of law just tickety-boo. The thing that amazed me most was that his conceit was wholly based on an ABC view of the world. I seriously had to bite my tongue.
there’s been a shit-fight too among two sides of the family.
his side, the professor, the barrister, the MD and the aspiring MD.
Our side, the glorified sparky, and the Dr of Photography and D3, who is the young lawyer in the middle
so the Crazy Old Mole has been on the couch since Wednesday and is testing +ve
me? I’m bullet-resistant so nothing there
the Professor is in the background is issuing masking mandates to the lawyer via the barrister
who wore a mask in my car the whole time… and I certainly didnt.
so even today before Ive had a coffee Im getting commands from on-high about having to do yet another RAT test because the barrister is now feeling throaty…a day later
I got the shits and told everybody to F-right-off
went on a rant about Lawyers making health decisions and MDs making political ones.
I think I said, “if anybody needs a f’ken RAT test, it’s the barrister not me”
meanwhile the missus is still testing +ve and nobody seems to give a shit about her care
take this little micro-farce and and project it onto the powers-that-be
realise that … they’re all f’ken mental.
everybody’s lost the plot … and they don’t even know it.
especially the Vic Liberals
The cans of anchovies at the back of the pantry, stamped Use By 09:2003.
The half full bottle of Metaxa tucked away at the back of the grog cupboard that you can’t remember buying.
These are my People of whom you speak. A fine and strangely alluring breed. 😀
witnessed the steal in real time
I watched it happen at home- just the way counting stopped at 2200hrs was outrageous.
Not as lucky as they are, Delta.
The boys and I spent the day prepping for the new garden shed.
thanks Rabz, I must be mistaken in believing I am a conservative only because I think it’s preferable to conserve the good that does work as a foundation for building something better that might work.
I’m still laughing about the guy who got off his traffic offence fine because he wasn’t on his mobile…he was eating a DipIt.
Because preparing a cheese on a bickie snack is so much less dangerous than…looking at your mobile.
Cassie of Sydneysays:
May 14, 2023 at 5:47 pm
Snap Cassie and so much more eloquently expressed
Hugely interesting story, Trans. You should put it up as a separate thread.
I bet the barista guy who shared a ride had you pegged out as a god oracle, no?
Zulu – One of the best things about Long’s official history of WW2 was he drew upon the medal citations. The officers got the big gongs, but the guys won MMs and DCMs. Those latter stories were some of the best accounts in the history.
I did like his account though of Lt. Roden Cutler’s VC. He was unhappy with me at a regimental dinner. I hadn’t yet worked out that if a VC winner wants wine he should get wine, no matter the instructions of one’s corporal.
I quite admire Colour Sgt. Bourne who refused a VC for a DCM. Not sure where I read it, but I read that once.
Nah fffforget it. No big wins.
Write my handover, catch the plane, go home.
I tried applying a tourniquet on a guy with a head wound. Suddenly everyone is a freaking medical specialist with ‘carotid artery this’ and ‘windpipe that’.
Punks.
Indeed.
Sadly, in most cases, that’s the most we can offer to alleviate these people’s suffering.
We are so incredibly lucky that our daughter and SiL,who already care for his 90 yo mother with dementia, insisted that we live with them, in a multi-generational house which he built with our special needs in mind.
I can actually manoeuvre my wheel chair into the en suite, slide into the open shower and cook in my specially designed kitchen. I have done nothing to deserve this fortune, but I thank God every day for it. And truly I feel for those who are troubled and/or alone.
There, but for the grace of God, go I.
67 years ago I was 3 months old, Mum and Dads first child of what would be five. she loved me and still does. Now she can’t walk and needs care that none of us can give. She lives in a small room, comfortable with good people working there. It takes two people to toilet her and wash her. She’s sad, understanably so but I don’t know what else we can do. It breaks my heart to see such a strong woman reduced to this. Today was a sad day.
How did people care for their relatives a few hundred years ago, neither me nor my brothers and sisters are capable of lifting her or moving her to a toilet or shower. I’m lost.
You are, as always, very kind, bespoke.
All the best to you and your loved ones.
You need a wooden leg and a parrot, Delta. And learn to say aarrrr.
I can supply the parrot.
Bruce O’Nuke:
We miserable paranoids are, nevertheless, rarely surprised.
So sorry to hear that sfw, such a difficult time for all.
Ha, ha. I just saw a note describing 40yo business women suddenly looking for a husband/father/babysitter as mantises.
Clever.
The 1960s – Beatles V the Stones
The 1990s – Blur V Oasis
Both are no contests, as good as the losers might be …
if you don’t give them your first preference they don’t get to steal any taxpayer geld. So eventually without members dues or the pollies’ dollars per vote theft they will eventually run out of money.
For the time being until they change the legislation of course.
that would be the preying kind ?
Only 10% would be enough if it is the right 10%.
Pareto’s Law – The top 20% workers make 80% of the total productivity.
Sfw – Before mid 20thC the elderly were taken away by infections. Antibiotics are wonderful, but there’s a downside.
I chatted with my old mum today on the phone, she’s doing pretty well in her late eighties. She had a fall and broke her arm a couple months ago, but we’ve managed to avoid orthopedic surgery or anything nasty. We had a nice conversation for Mothers’ Day.
Delta A. Swap your buggy for this below ( :
Just kidding.
Good luck to any cop trying to chase this bloke. It is illegal, grossly irresponsible yet damn good fun. He came close to wiping himself out.
Crazy bastard!
GHOST RIDER | WHO IS JUNIOR? “THE CRAZY CART RIDE”
Thanks, Bruce, the parrot would be great.
My ‘wooden leg’, if you must, is made of advanced plastic and carbon fiber composites. Cost: about $16,000, but free in Oz, either through My Aged Care or NDIS. How lucky are we one legged Aussies?
As for the “aarrr’: I do that constantly, daily, for a variety of reasons, with a big !!! following. That’s life in a wheelchair.
Ha, ha.
I just saw a note describing 40yo business women suddenly seeking a husband/father/submissive/babysitter as ‘mantises’.
So clever it is scary.
Muddy:
Muddy there are some of us who ‘don’t fit in’ but also don’t give a flying ….
I regard my job here successful if I persuade just one of the regulars to have a carton of baked beans, a packet of noodles, and a genset with backup fuel in the garage. Oh, and a plan to fill the bath with water when the shit hits the fan.
🙂
I am not suggesting this you understand, but I wonder if someone edited Prosciutto’s wiki entry to note his secret Nazeee membership.
Didn’t JC edit Fatty Ashton’s profile?
So, why do pirates always sound as if they are angry?
Because the argh!
‘they argh’
Many contributors here have opined that this Neo Nazi crapola is a false flag.
It is in my mind correct.
False Flag, eh?
So what you’re saying is that some mysterious group conspired to give Nazis a bad name?
Zulu, I copied this because it deserves repeating.
If you are interested in military hard sci-fi, there is a three volume story by a guy called Jack Campbell (i think he is an ex marine JAG) called Stark’s War where there was this very problem. A military divided into grunts and officers, where the officers are remote from the troops (who are really only for cannon fodder) and the officers are cycled in and out of a war theatre rear areas for the minimum time just to get their medals required for promotion.
And 10% at the other end generate 90% of the shit in the workplace.
That’s a tough one, sfw. Independence and dignity are often losses we cannot measure.
Delta A I am sure you’ve done much to deserve your good fortune, the family you have is testament to it.
I suppose, generally speaking, that the elderly in times past were more sprightly, which was precisely why they survived into old age. I remember my great grandmother living with my maternal grandparents well into her 80s, but she was as thin as a rake and could toilet herself until the end (I know that because she came to live with us for a few weeks a year before she died while nan & pop took a holiday). “Old folks homes” were virtually unheard of in those days. Without making any value judgements, modern medicines allow many people to cheat death for decades.
My wife referred to an available dance partner at our otherwise-married friends’ party as “the piranha”.
No flesh will be voluntarily offered to the sharp little teeth, I swear.
Mother Lode:
Classic. Straight to the verbal pool room.
somebody tighten your flank-strap JC?
go ahead
snort, puff and buck
look menacing and paw the ground
stupid bull
I suspect 2024 will set the stage for Crisis, if Yuri’s theory is to be believed.(80 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yru14mMES1c&ab_channel=SonofaBear%3AForaging
Miss Maggie Dodgers in the Twentie Fourth and a half century – Magnifique …
The white leather cowgirl boots, the inside out adidas gym shorts, the ample boozies bouncing around, the Hollyweirdettes, especially the 9.9 brunette, the classic bleu denim Levi’s jacket, the outsized vocals, just give a little … 🙂
Is anyone else troubled by the split ablative absolute in Sydney University’s motto?
Shouldn’t it be sidere mutato men’s eadem? ((Even) while the stars are changed, the mind/sprit is the same.)
Are they going to update the motto to something like ‘Diverse and Inclusive’ (in English, of course, since universities are no longer associated with knowledge).
Or perhaps a better motto would be ‘Sorry we were even born’.
Did anyone soil their trousers?
That is my new benchmark.
Yikes!
You scared the prosthetic off me.
We Cats and Kits might one by one be collecting good sense, gold, pemmican and generators… but unless you’ve got an individual entry in the Cookerpedia, consider yourself underprepared.
‘mens eadem’
Auto-corrupt seems deliberate in its mangling of posts.
Flaking batch.
Thanks Eyrie, just bought the first one! Also Bob’s Saucer Repair based on a post from Sarah Hoyt today.
I like Cattish SF recommendations!
“This was a copycat situation of what took place in Vietnam: of 726 awards approved in ten years, just 22 private soldiers were given medals for gallantry, while some 150 officers were decorated with various medals, with several Brigadiers at Task Force headquarters getting DSO’S. (Page 301.)
Battalion commanders also got DSOs. Unconfirmed rumour has it that one whose performance was considered to have been less than satisfactory had his DSO delayed for a year as “punishment”. Big Fn Deal!
For Harold and Meggsie …
Ummmm … Oookaaay then.
(I really don’t know what to make of that).
At what point does sh^tholification become inevitable?
What percentage of employed, law abiding, tax paying residents have to leave?
Much less than 76%, I’d imagine.
ADF members posted to the NT don’t have a choice. What percentage are they?
the benchmark is that we don’t flank cows Sancho
yr very pretty for a heifer … I can see why JC likes you
Ed Casesays:
May 14, 2023 at 7:06 pm
Many contributors here have opined that this Neo Nazi crapola is a false flag.
It is in my mind correct.
False Flag, eh?
A day or so ago, Grandpa Ed Simpson, at CL’s blog, you described their latest effort as a “charade”. Is that different to a false flag?
So what you’re saying is that some mysterious group conspired to give Nazis a bad name?
Too stupid to survive.
I do remember a foul and vicious rumor that two senior officers were awarded D.S.O’s for their leadership at Long Tan, although they didn’t leave Nui Dat while the actual battle was fought. Happy to be corrected.
Looks like a great place to settle down.
Time to go cook a meal for Mum.
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Miss Planet – the sort of effortlessly sassy brunette Cat males might crawl across broken glass to get to*.
“I’m a womanage”
*If I had too, it would happen …
Just thinking about the Port Arthur rabbit-hole phenomenon.
The question I have for people pushing that line is this:-
“Is the objective to achieve a relaxation of gun laws, or simply to beat the ‘injustice’ drum with no real hope of change?”
If it is the latter, fill your boots.
If, however, it is the former, I have some free advice.
Firstly don’t go near the “Port Arthur was a gummint false flag op carried out by special forces yada yada”. The vast majority will think you are a loon – with some justification – and turn off.
Secondly, it is designed to shift blame away from Bryant and thus avoid a discussion of restrictions on gun ownership on mental health grounds. That, too, is a political blind alley.
A simple political reality. If the objective is to relax the existing laws let go of the rabbit-hole stuff.
Polls show somewhere between 65% and 80% are happy with existing laws or want even tighter laws. You ain’t going to shift the needle closer to 50% by indicating you are a looney.
Entropy:
Jack Campbell also did a really good series of naval action with The Lost Fleet. Poor bugger gets picked up in his lifepod where he’s been in suspended life support for 100? years to find out that he’s a legend in the war against the Syndicate. And they’ve forgotten how to win naval battles and it’s become a bloodbath.
The Lost Fleet – Dauntless. Excellent story line, good characterisation.
Another if you like military scifi, Craig Alanson – Columbus Day. It’s a series of about ten or more books, all great reading. No spoilers.
Even my collectivist mates think that the “Let women speak in Mosquebourne” neo nayzee imbroglio was a bunch of bollocks.
Anyone who doesn’t is gifted with even fewer braincells than the Prosciutto.
*Tiny, as it is.
100%.
The ‘it was someone else’s fault’ assertion is never a winner.
Unless you have something absolutely ironclad and irrefutable, it also lumps you right into the ‘9/11 was a false flag, melting point of steel, get yourself educated and do some research’ bucket.
Yep. Worth a read.
Nothing we don’t already know, but helpful to have confirmed.
Museum* Management, as I call them, are in for opportunities galore if the inVoice (love that term – only understood it recently) gets passed.
*The Museum of Primitive Trauma (MoPT).
A big weekend of outdoor pursuits was had.
We’re in that precious sweet spot of the Darwin climate where it’s 19-21 at dawn, and 32-33 at mid-afternoon.
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
It might have had many, many more positive outcomes if it was.
And no, Cats, I am not a tin foil hat clad weirdo.
I was in Manhattan in ’93, FFS, the first time various arab dirtbags had tried to blow up the WTC.
“Sancho Panzersays:
May 14, 2023 at 7:57 pm”
Very well said SP.
Daily Mail.
Where’s the forensic evidence of any such slaughter?
Now up to volume 34 myself. I question whether its been a good investment of time (Free on Kindle Unlimited), but still reading and actually bought the last three.
If you like not-too-demanding SF, I like CJ Williams ‘Effie’ and ‘Galleon’ and ‘The Commander’ and a bunch more they have written. (CJ Williams is a couple’s nom do plum).
You mean Perf in March (if Feb hasn’t finished you off)?
He’s in on it. Bet ya that Labor is paying off the Liberals or at least in cahoots. After all, there is no difference between them, is there? We must admit that the existing system is no longer fit for purpose for us. The kids have been brainwashed, conservatism crushed, the last vanguard is a small % of x-gens as the boomers fade away. The final result will be a disgusting, woke, diktatorship that will ultimately collapse in some kind of conflagration.
Uh huh.
The ‘author’ isn’t in danger of being shut down by Big Government, perchance? Does he need a coffee?
Once again overwhelmed by the desire to live in Darwin.
Sancho, I don’t do the rabbit-hole if you mean the conspiracy rubbish. I have a far more useful and realistic model of how it was caused and the social forces at work.
Filled my boots long ago on the injustice, and I live with the stupidities every day of unjustified extra cost, colossal timewasting and fear to lose everything if I step out of line at the wrong moment.
No. I forgot to mention the slight haze from the Dry Season scrub fires, which makes it even better. Also, said haze and the hint of smoke in the air makes it possible to disguise backyard bonfires, as long as they’re not too extravagant.
If the breeze is right you might get an inversion layer from the prescribed burns. Or just go to a smoking ceremony.
Yesterday, watched the film : Air
deffo a boys film … enjoy
Interesting turn in Lake’s legal battle over the 2022 election. Apparently new evidence they’ve just filed indicates that Maricopa falsely certified the tabulators in early October. Then conducted testing a week or so later without public notice, in secret, and suffered over 50% error rate. Hobbs signed off these false certifications as Sec of State all the while being the Dem candidate for Governor.
How many times have you murdered this month?
Rabz
Even my collectivist mates think that the “Let women speak in Mosquebourne” neo nayzee imbroglio was a bunch of bollocks.
Anyone who doesn’t is gifted with even fewer braincells than the Prosciutto.
Step forward Grandpa Ed Simpson-Case.
“I don’t do the rabbit-hole if you mean the conspiracy rubbish. “
That’s great Chris, except some clearly do like to plunge themselves down a conspiracy rabbit hole and by doing so, in regards to a horrific event like Port Arthur, the conspiracy bullshit they peddle absolves an utterly evil man who murdered 35 people and injured and traumatised many others that awful day.
Australia’s frontier wars were fought from 1788 to 1930s
Up to 120,000 Aboriginal people and 5,000 settlers killed
Any number between one and 120,000 can be described as “up to”.
Like the number of years since the indigenes arrived here, the numbers are conjured up to serve a political purpose.
Twenty-five Seconds.
An almost 4 minute YouTube true story from Buddy Brown.
Bookmarked to come back to when I need it.
Worth it.
Sometimes 25 seconds is all you need, all you can give, all it takes.
Hairy’s cooking a roast lamb for us for mother’s day, with the assistance of Chef Google re the how to cook and what to do’s. It’s sounds and smells alright from in here, timer bells ringing etc, where I have been deep in the problems of the Roman Empire in 383AD with Magnus Maximus and even more so in 407 with Constantine 111. They dealt with enemies fairly conclusively in those days.
All of the immediate offspring finally rang in, including daughter and her girls, keen to tell grandma about the big, big disco birthday party for Miss Seven last night. Nothing yet from the two grandsons who might be old enough to call though. Perhaps that is an expectation too far, they are busy with their own lives now.
Happy mothers day to all mothers and all other adult human females who also assist.
We are all born of woman. Thank goodness they can’t really mess around much with that.
Hairy now calling urgently for ‘another opinion’. Ok. coming.
err, yes
particularly when your theory necessitates the acceptance of the premise that scores of witnesses have been party to a cover up of the murder of their loved ones and setting martin bryant up as a patsy
in 25 years not one of them broke ranks
i think the word we are looking for is
mongs
Or the motorcycle chappie who was pinged *twice* by speed cameras on the Victor Harbour road and argued, successfully, that this constituted punishing him twice for the same crime because he had infact been above the speed limit for the entire time he was on the road ;). He got it reduced to one fine.
Ugh! No thank you. Too hot… unless I got to hang out with KD. That would be pretty cool.
😀
I figured that if he was up to that many in the series that it would be worth reading!
So I bought the first one. I may be some time.
Having said that I’ve been on a 20 book Davis Weber binge lately, starting with the Safehold series. Now near the end of Honor Harrington #10 and deciding whether to go to the next one…
I love authors who have the marvelous ability to keep doing this amazing stuff! Chris Nuttall is another guy who can do this. I should read more of his work.
(Plug to Rafe Champion’s son Leo who is a damned fine Mil Sci SF writer btw.)
don’t think i said that
which is?
A man and his goil going out on a Saturday night …
“Guns, gold and generators”..
Oh, and I do have a cookerpedia entry … does anyone else here?
This, too, shall pass luckily.
I think of conservatives is the light bearers of civilisation and left wokers as the darkness. The age old battle of light and darkness. Which is going to win?
The first of my mob came to this country in 1815. They ran sheep and cattle stations in three States, for over a hundred years. If you want to portray them as the likes of William Bonney and Reinhardt Heydrich, you’ll need a bit more then “stories my Nanna told me.”
Without knowing what those figures were based on, it’s impossible to discern their accuracy, but even the 5,000 settlers number seems quite high. If my vege maths is correct, that averages about 30 each year for the period stated. Surely those losses, year after year, would have warranted a significant, structured approach on the part of officialdom?
Being tolerant is ceding ground until you have nowhere to stand. Tolerance is a sure way to go over the cliff, we have gone over the cliff. Whether we just bounce at the bottom or blow up in a fiery ball is yet to be seen.
I’ve seen claims that the number of settlers killed was some 500.
The turdball times compares Trump to Timothy MvVeigh:
Homegrown review: Timothy McVeigh and the rise of the Trumpist threat
Fair dinkum the media in the West is a virulent disease.
“You are obviously a extreme right wing meat based personage unit and there will not be any of that, I tells youse.”
“Prepare to be gifted with a new planet based existence on another agglomeration of solid material orbiting within a certain distance of a sun in another planetary system, I instructs ya”
“Quacktor Dim Chambers will be the new authoritah on the concept of economics when you arrive at your destination, which will be soon you meat based unit”.
“So close your food inhaling hole and stop making statements that betray your alleged unhappiness with your existence on this planetary system*”
*Or any other
Ah, Stranglers. Such a good band, say no more.
Sarah Hoyt of Instapundit had this story today. Poor guy, he saved the people of the subway from a mad maniac and is now charged with manslaughter. It reminded me of this seriously excellent track:
Stan Wridgeway – Camouflage (1986)
Best wishes marine Sgt. Penny.
I musta misread that then. Thank goodness it wasn’t my vege maths which let me down. That would have been embarrassing in this esteemed company.
Muddysays:
May 14, 2023 at 8:55 pm
Australia’s frontier wars were fought from 1788 to 1930s
Up to 120,000 Aboriginal people and 5,000 settlers killed
Without knowing what those figures were based on, it’s impossible to discern their accuracy, but even the 5,000 settlers number seems quite high.
The Duracks spent a lot of time on the edge of civilisation, how many settler deaths are recorded in Kings in Grass Castles?
Had Trump been an Aussie, we could have linked him to one Edward James Kelly, esquire.
I want you to be the strong one
So don that Soviet Grey Levi’s Jacket … 🙂
Without knowing what those figures were based on, it’s impossible to discern their accuracy, but even the 5,000 settlers number seems quite high.
And the 120000 3rd nations is just bullshit.
Eric Bana was in that one, wasn’t he?
That’s not a love song Rabz.
Dior Forever And Ever for me. Dinner with the family so I had the morning and afternoon to relax. My special Vienna schnitzels are family favourites, I made lots yet almost no leftovers.
Yes Grauniad Australia secretly brought to you by the lieboral pardy.
In the 1970’s, a retired police officer passed away, in a Western Australian country town. It emerged that he was one of a police party, in the 1920’s who was supposed to have “shot and burned maybe two, maybe three hundred, blackfellas” in the Kimberly’s, in the 1920’s. The forensic evidence amounted to several shell casings, not from a police issue rifle, a few bones, not identified as human, and some camp sites, with a fire big enough to boil the billy for a cup of tea. Several of the murdered blackfellas subsequently turned up, alive and well, to draw their rations…
Yes, that is the true test, Crossie. We Mums love to see those empty platters.
After the last 3 years, I would think we should all be a little more open to the idea that our governments lie to us, persistently and regularly, and that the epithet ‘conspiracy theory’ is NOT an argument any more than ‘racist’, ‘transphobe’ ‘islamophobe’ etc etc etc. By all means answer those who raise doubts or inconsistencies about official narratives, but we should guard against reflexively labelling them as the ravings of cookers etc based solely on ‘everybody knows x because everybody has always been told x’.
As Kim Dotcom tweeted recently:
Which rightly should be the epithet ‘conspiracy hypothesis’, thanks Duk …
Still trying to justify your Port Arthur hot take?
Give it a rest.
Madame Butterfly …
I was in Japan, man
Where I met her, Cho Cho San
She got a li’l Cho Cho …
This is her tail of woe …
Rabz> I take it you have some minor concerns about the ongoing takeover by our new AI overlord(s)?
Goodnight all.
May the vampires in your nightmare wear dentures,
and your rash disappear with a cheap concealer.
The writer of that comment is intimately familiar with body armour, having worn it for over a year in East Timor, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Even in the late 90s, military grade body armour (that proof against rifle calibres, 5.56 and 7.62 in particular), was centred around a hard ceramic plate, to which was added additional soft kevlar layers. These soft layers were intended to increase coverage without turning the wearer into a rigid, clanking knight.
All the experience the writer had with body armour was after 1996 so he may have knowledge that was not relevant at the time. (Timor- 2006, Afghanistan-Oct 2001 and Iraq-2005) I am also pretty familiar with combat body armour and completed a multi hundred page tender response to Defence for the introduction of Modular Combat Body Armour System in 2007. MCBAS was required to provide the largest area body protection for any combat armour in the world. It had very large front and back plates (plus side plates) and would certainly meet the dimensions of what JH appeared to be wearing but before then they could have been smaller depending on the unit using them. Special Forces (SAS) generally used smaller, more mobile US armour which was specifically developed for special operations. MCBAS armour was required to stop 6 rounds of armour piercing 5.56, 7.62×39, 7.62×51 and .30cal. A tougher test than any previous combat armour anywhere in the western hemisphere.
In hind sight MCBAS was too large, too heavy and restricted combat effectiveness of our troops (Excellent for guard duty or static activities) but terrible for mobile combat activities. (A $100m white elephant) Many, if not most combat Australians bought their own armour in the Middle East on line from the US.
In 2002 the US Army developed a ‘liquid’ armour that significantly added to mobility, protection levels and greatly reduced weight. Shear-thickening fluid saturated Kevlar provides tremendous protection and actually dissipates the impact zone over a larger area than ceramic plates so reduces localised injuries. 4 layers of impregnated Kevlar provides greater protection than over 14 layers of untreated Kevlar. It works by mixing the shear-thickening fluid with ethanol, applying the diluted mixture to the fabric, then evaporating the ethanol. The finished product retains all the characteristics of the untreated Kevlar until it is impacted. On impact the non visible liquid instantaneously (milliseconds) solidifies and literally becomes impenetrable.
From Liberal Democrats Twitter.
We warmly welcome former
@LiberalVictoria @YoungLibs President and 20 year
@LiberalAus Party member
@GideonCRozner
to the ranks of our membership.
I see Pesutto continuing to destroy his party. At what point do his party take action to stem the bleeding of support ?
Cite you the story of the Kimberly’s station manager, who had the police arrive to investigate a rumor that a party of Aborigines had been shot “Just the way you’d shoot a dog.”
Patiently, he explained that the only shooting had been that of a number of dogs, in the camp, who were savaging new born calves….
I’ll have to modify my way expressing myself.
We all will.
Dunno why McLaren’s Buffalo Gals is a conspiracy hypothesis.
He was awesome. Knew what we the punters wanted and he invented a whole new form of music.
Not sure that was entirely good, but anyone who can do that deserves eminence.
In such things Aerosmith have decided they’re getting too old.
Aerosmith to ‘Peace Out’ after 50 years with farewell tour (1 May)
Been a fine ride guys.
RUN DMC – Walk This Way ft. Aerosmith (1975)
Wait a minute, Baybee …
Quite possibly the most beautiful song in human history …
“Give it a rest.”
I second that.
Which I did.
You claimed there was an ‘anomaly’ in the Port Arthur killed vs injured numbers.
I gave two random examples, deliberately chosen from a similar jurisdiction* which showed no such statistically significant anomaly.
So the rabbit-hole assertion was shown to be just that … an assertion, albeit delivered in an authoritative tone. All it shows is that Bryant was a fair to middling shot from 6-10 feet at cowering targets.
In any case, if you think pushing “Port Arfur was a gummint false flag op” helps the case for more liberal gun laws, go for it.
I believe it has the opposite effect.
* Deliberately avoided the USA where a chap doing some shooting could expect armed police to either be on site, or arrive post haste.
LOL, BoN.
RUN DMC were adidas heroes.
“I see Pesutto continuing to destroy his party. At what point do his party take action to stem the bleeding of support ?”
I believe the Victorian Liberals are now dead.
Stevie, just being one of the most beautiful sirens in human history …
I prefer the grungiest song in history.
Rabz> Passed on your comments, Chat GPT will be in touch. And both GPT & I consider songbird to be the most beautiful tune by the Mac. Enjoy, all.
A plastic bag at the whim of the wind.
‘American Beauty’ – Thomas Newman (from the ‘plastic bag scene’)
Lindsey B, parlaying the solo at the end of Gypsy into another song …
Sorry guys, I don’t mind Stevie, she’s smooth on the eyes. But iconic Mac is McVie.
Fleetwood Mac – Say you love me – Live 1977
No matter what evidence comes to light it will not change status quo. Hobbs will remain the governor and Arizona will again go Democrat in 2024 whether there are votes or not.
Yes, and IIRR it wasn’t available in the late 90s. Contemporary plates were smaller, and ‘buried’ in a rounded outer spall coating and then worn in a bulky carrier garment. Even if just the plates were under his jacket (say in a very light custom made carrier garment), you would not see the relatively sharp plate edges JWH displayed in his brown suit at the rally photos. He was wearing something else under his jacket.
Correct, we absolutely loathed it for its bulk and its heat retaining properties (mine weighed 20kg). We were very happy to change it out for T BAS when it became available.
I’ve mentioned the movie Vengeance before; it’s about a NY snob who goes to Texas and gets shown up by the locals. This is is a neat little scene where a gorgeous young thing is being coaxed to give her best in the recording studio and the snob goes from snide to entranced very quickly: singing.
‘American Beauty’
Melanie Safka. “Ruby Tuesday.”
What Liberal Party! They been taken over by the gay boys for some time now.
“Tusk”, with a difference.
Which is why we love the place. Although my threads are always immaculate. I wouldn’t bother paying cutters otherwise.
Based on the initial paper that identified the engine of copycat suicide, about 1988.
A social imitation model.
A Current Affair Oct 1995. Watched it? I have a copy.
Essentially, the gun control activism created the incentives and taught the methods.
My article was part of the old http://www.class.org.au site, finally vaporised except on archive.org.
IDEAS KILL: SCIENCE SHINES A LIGHT ON PORT ARTHUR DEATHS
Chris
April 2006
A few months before the Port Arthur Massacre, a glamorous current affairs presenter showed Australia how easy it was to get the guns used in massacres. She demonstrated every step, emphasising that she knew nothing about guns and had never held a licence. She filmed the guns lying on the street and cut in similar scenes from after massacres. An activist showed her (and us) how to load and shoot the guns. She showed us how these guns ‘designed for killing people’ are easy to use, then blew apart a target like the head of a victim.
“I bought these guns from classified ads in just three hours, and I certainly never had a gun licence.” ? Nine Network “I never even held a gun before, but…!” ? Nine Network
Then a gun control activist offered a key to worldwide infamy: “We are going to have a massacre in Tasmania like those elsewhere!” He sold the massacre in Tasmania as certainty, almost destiny.
They Showed the way to Death
After seeing this show, Allen Burrows travelled from Victoria to Tasmania, bought a gun as he had been shown by the presenter, and killed himself. Coroner Ian Matterson found he acted on a script provided by that current affairs segment.
In the study of suicide, media reporting has been shown to cause extra suicides and even murder-suicides. Even in self-destruction people copy other similar people.
It was shown as early as 1980 that car and aircraft fatal accidents rose after publicity for suicides. Some drivers and pilots were influenced enough to take others with them in death (Phillips 1980). Many lives have since been saved because reporters changed the way we report suicide.
As for Suicide, So for Other Violence
But what about other dramatic acts of violence? Airline hostage crises, Aboriginal deaths in custody; car chases, home invasions, terror bombings, arson, family murder-suicides, and mass shootings – these stories come in waves then fade away.
The string of mass killings was partly caused by the way our media culture sends the script to the killers. Review the evidence:
• News and current affairs reporting gives powerful rewards for horror crimes – worldwide name recognition and repeating of the killers’ words.
• The reporting style that causes suicide contagion is normal for mass shootings.
• The crimes are tightly clustered in time, a new one while the last one is still echoing around the current affairs shows.
• The crimes follow a very few story lines; postal worker kills after dismissal; trench-coat mafia kills at school; lonely obsessed oddball kills in a crowded place.
• Only the first killer in the Australian series, Knight, had a prior history of serious violence; the subsequent ones have a prior history of excessive passivity (Cantor 2001).
• Mass killers keep media reports of earlier massacres, and go out of their way to get the same weapons and act the same way.
Not A Virus – A Script
Stephen Pinker in ‘How the Mind Works’ addresses the Port Arthur massacre as following a script that cuts across cultures: the ‘amok’, a male who revenges his lack of status in a suicidal murder spree. Forensic psychiatrist Professor Paul Mullen of Monash University has worked with mass killers, and says they are following a taught cultural script. Professor Mullen made it clear that Bryant wanted to be the very worst mass killer: “He asked me: “Have I got the record?””
So what is the script Bryant read? The world’s media lavished coverage on massacres from around the world and his own country. Both TV and newspaper reporting over and over gave prominence to the names and words of mass killers and said how easy it would be to happen here.
A few months after the current affairs program that led to Allen Burrows suicide, Thomas Hamilton murdered a group of children in Dunblane. The media went berserk. They showed the script Thomas Hamilton followed; they emphasised his name, the guns he used, the planning, his lost social standing and the everyday innocence of the location. They rounded up the usual activists again to tell us how it would surely happen here next.
As the frenzy started to die down Martin Bryant drove to Port Arthur and launched his own killing spree.
At the time, commentators emphasised the ‘mysteriousness’ of why these killings happen. They posited dark forces in our society and violence at the root of human nature. If the idea is true that a culturally taught script caused the massacres, it should throw light on the ‘mystery’.
Why Tasmania, not Queensland which had even easier gun laws? Significantly, there was a difference in the media scripts in 1995-96. Anti-gun activism had a high profile in Tasmania. Activist media rhetoric repeatedly emphasised the concept ‘we are going to have a massacre in Tasmania’. To the wrong person this scripts the possibility and frames it as destiny.
“Designed for killing people?” “Designed for killing people.” ? Nine Network
What makes a person choose to do such a thing? Rewards and guidance. These killers were nobodies until their massacres. Media reports reward the killers with name recognition, repeat their words and highlight their insignificant lives. And the reports show how to get the guns and use them, none more explicitly than our gorgeous presenter.
Why did the mass shootings stop? Many authorities believed that there would be more massacres despite the new laws, because we thought the availability of guns was the cause and only some would be eliminated. Martin Bryant was captured alive. According to the script theory, this inhibits copycats because they see the perpetrator face the consequences.
“Tasmania at the moment is our weakest link.” ? Nine Network “We are going to have a massacre in Tasmania!” ? Nine Network
The script model says that faced with uncertainty, a person looks to another similar person as a guide. Bryant, deciding whether to plead guilty, asked what Julian Knight, the perpetrator of the Hoddle Street massacre, pleaded.
The innocent victims of Martin Bryant, scripted not to resist, hid under tables and held still while he killed them.
Now consider the 2002 Monash University killings. A foreign student was afraid to account to his family for failing his course. He was mentally ill, and he saw a form of escape in the amok script. Weeks of media coverage of the Washington snipers showed the way. He killed two people, but heroic bystanders prevented him from killing others or himself. The message was reinforced – the massacre script was not working anymore.
The cultural script idea makes sense of acts that once seemed senseless.
The Danger Was Known
Was this danger known in 1995? Yes. Phillips’ research on suicide from 1980 onward roused heavy controversy in media and public health circles. Cramer in 1993 detailed how Time and Newsweek articles were kept and followed by American mass killers. Guidelines to prevent contagion and copycat violence were hotly debated in the early 1990s, and the ideas were well known in the news business. To this day individual newspapers enforce guidelines on suicide reporting but the Australian Press Council guidelines merely acknowledge the possibility of some impact.
This single media story did not alone cause the Port Arthur massacre, but the evidence is persuasive that it was part of the cause. The news culture probably caused not just one, but a string of massacres. Our broadcast and print journalists, with their activist sources, gave Martin Bryant the idea, showed him how and offered huge rewards – incentive to murder 35 innocent people.
Bibliography
Cantor C. 2001 Civil Massacres Ethological Perspectives. The ASCAP Bulletin Vol 2 No 1. 29-31.
Cantor, Mullen and Alpers, 2000 Mass homicide: the civil massacre. J Am Acad Psychiatry Law 28:1:55-63
Cialdini, Robert 2001. Influence: Science and Practice 4th Ed. Allyn and Bacon, pp121-130.
Cramer, C 1993. Ethical problems of mass murder coverage in the mass media. Journal of Mass Media Ethics 9.
Hansen, Jane 1995. “Tassie Guns”, A Current Affair 2 Oct 1995, featuring Roland Browne and Rebecca Peters of the Coalition for Gun Control. Nine Network broadcast.
Lovibond J. 1996. ‘Hobart gun death related to TV show’, Hobart Mercury, 21/05/1996, Ed: 1, Pg: 2, 511 words. Newstext
Mullen, Paul quoted in Hannon K 1997, “Copycats to Blame for Massacres Says Expert”, Courier Mail, 4/3/1997
Pinker, Stephen 1999. How the Mind Works, Norton and Company, 672 pp.
Phillips, D. P. 1980. Airplane accidents, murder, and the mass media: Towards a theory of imitation and suggestion. Social Forces, 58, 1001-1024.
Nice! Americans can do piano in ways that are just amazing. Started with Gershwin, they just have a rhythm thing no one else seems to have. My contribution is this fairly insane and talented lady:
Yes, Anastasia (1994)
I think he swapped the VC for a commission?
As well as automatic rifles, Chris, your theory contains a lot of long bows.
Stevo and Cash, Eric and Rowdy should visit a hospice. It would be instant smiles all round for patients and staff. I took my Oma’s miniature collie to her in the final days and just let him wonder around the joint. Happiness had by all.
Clapping your eyes on these two would probably extend life for a few days in such a setting.
———-
woof bark growl:
Cash 2.0 Great Dane on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills 33MM
No dooming, please.
Paul Wallee, Later with Joolz (1996?), “Wings of Speed” …
Gabor, I think the DCM came with a pension.
A very reasonable consideration in them days.
My original post invited those who wished to go down that rabbit hole to do so. Those who do might be surprised at what they find. Those that don’t should refrain from pre-judging where it might lead – unless of course they already know exactly what happened because the media and the government has told them….
The inverse kill ratio in the Broad Arrow Cafe, and the kill rate, has been forensically analysed by others. One concluded, amongst other things:
http://www.whale.to/b/viallspam.html
Bryant had exhibited violent tendencies, expressed various violent fantasies and engaged in threatening behaviours long before any of the supposed “trigger” events happened.
Next.
Regurgitation of rabbit-hole gibberish is not proof of anything.
The Dunblane and Hungerford events had similar numbers.
So utter bullshit.
Again, as I say, if you think this shit is a pathway to more liberalised gun laws, you are smoking hydroponics.
That was, mesmerizing. Thanks, Zulu, I think I’ll have a cold shower now.
I am glad you grace it with the term theory; it is indeed a developed hypothesis grounded on a lot of consistent, suggestive, but obviously not definitive evidence.
It is certainly more developed than the public health model ‘gun as infectious agent’, “access causes massacres” without an explanatory model of motive formation or a role for ‘culture’ other than contempt for ‘rednecks’.
No more hiding behind other “authorities” Duk.
Do you believe that Martin Bryant murdered 35 people at Port Arthur or not?
I don’t know, I have my doubts, and I find the anomalies in the story ‘curious’.
Tusk was a ripper. Thanks!
Here’s something very cute; not an owl, but flowers…
..
You idiot.
It’s the ugliest song in history.
It’s about the kid she conceived with that dickhead from The Eagles and subsequently aborted. After naming it “Sara”.
Who names a foetus and then aborts it?
But cute duets can be amazing…
It is known there were mass killings in the past, they simply did not get media attention the same way that they did from the 1980s onward.
https://www.livescience.com/60595-stop-naming-mass-shooters-say-scientists.html
…..
“There is at least some evidence for all these positions. Lankford has found that killers often reference one another. The shooter at Umpqua Community College in Oregon in October 2015 mentioned as an inspiration the man who killed a television reporter and cameraman in Roanoke, Virginia, and posted the video to Facebook in August of that year. That Roanoke killer mentioned the white supremacist shooter who killed congregants at an African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina, two months before.
Shooters also compete for the most attention by killing the most people, Lankford said. In a 2016 study in the journal Aggression and Violent Behavior, he found that mass killers who expressed a celebrity-seeking motive killed twice as many people as those who did not. There is also a direct correlation between the death toll of a shooting and the news coverage received, Lankford told Live Science. [The History of Human Aggression: 10 Innovations That Changed How We Fight]
There is also statistical evidence that mass shootings inspire copycats. A 2015 study found that every school shooting inspires 0.22 more school shootings, and every mass shooting inspires 0.3 more mass shootings. The decimals reflect that not every inspiration is one-to-one; rather, shootings tend to cluster so that when you have four school shootings, you’re ripe for a fifth.”
..
–Wikifuchshit.
I find them neither anomalous nor curious.
They are the rantings of unhinged nut-jobs.
..
Wiki
Dot, the possibility that one mass killer might influence another is not at issue.
What we are talking about is the theory that Port Arthur was a set-up designed specifically to tek ur gurns.
More questions raised by Joe Vialls about Port Arthur:
Both the AR15 and the Belgian FN allegedly used by Bryant were so damaged when recovered that they were NOT suitable for forensic analysis – the AR15 had somehow suffered a catastrophic breech explosion (miraculously without injuring the supposed shooter – Bryant). This is NOT attributable to the cafe fire because, at most, the fire might cause the round in the chamber to cook off – but this is what happens every time the gun is fired and would not destroy the chamber and the barrel.
The FN was mysteriously found similarly damaged despite being found on the roof of an outhouse nearby and NOT affected by the cafe fire.
For this to happen by accident to one weapon is unlikely.
For it to happen to BOTH (meaning it was not possible to prove that the recovered projectiles and cases did – or didnt – come from either of those firearms) is an extra-ordinary co-incidence indeed.
Reminds me of the best beer ad ever. Think Bud Lite completely reversed.
Big Ad (2005)
The beer is crap but the advertisement is awesome.
Military statistics about kill to wounded ratios are as valuable and relevant as a hip pocket in a singlet when comparing to Bryant at Port Arthur.
Military stats are based on competitive combat where soldiers are hiding from a shooting enemy and getting a round away when ever they can and as quickly as possible at any part of a body that they can see and many times in auto where they simply fire in the direction of the enemy and most of the hits are flukes (with the exception of snipers)
In Port Arthur Bryant had NO opposition, no combatants against him and the first dozen or so that he murdered would have been like shooting fishing in a bucket with absolutely no response from anyone because their bains would be trying to come to terms with what was happening and he was simply shooting them at point blank range ar a rate of one per second or so and only a metre or so between them.
I trained one of the attending police during the hunt and capture of Bryant in diving in 1996 and he was very specific about the events that day. There is not a doubt in my mind that Bryant, the half brain maniac went on a shooting spree to satisfy his evil mind and was very effective. Any discussion about kill to wounding ratios under the circumstances is a folly. The circumstances gave him the ratio he attained on a platter…
what’s up duk?
Daisy Rabbit demands to know
Thumbs up on the animation. The essence was captured.
Pink Floyd – Mother (1980-81) legendado
Sancho, the above is an ‘ad hominem’, not an ‘argument’, would you like to try again?
Thanks, Dot!
Here is good music and production, but outstanding eye candy.
And of course that eye candy is contrasted there with what they think of you and me.
Yes, and IIRR it wasn’t available in the late 90s
Correct, the tender for MCBAS wasn’t until 2007, introduction of the armour and release of the first Army specific manuals was in 2008.
No.
Supported by sound evidence.
They clutch at some unrelated stat (as Digger points out above) and then hang an entire fanciful theory off it.
When faced with mountains of counter evidence they glibly dismiss it as “Government lies” without explaining how these “government lies” were fabricated and maintained over decades by hundreds of people, without one of them breaking ranks.
So, yeah, unhinged nut-jobs is the right term.
Shouldn’t you be helping someone find their knockers?
I did buy Joe Vialls a cup of coffee though.
so snacho , you don’t see any irony using the word ‘glib’?