Open Thread – Tues 16 May 2023


The Peasant Dance, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1568

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The Beer Whisperer
The Beer Whisperer
May 18, 2023 12:07 pm

Academia is already full of them.

We already have 60%. Which is kinda funny considering we also have 60% asian, not to mention Aussies that don’t identify as indigenous.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 12:09 pm

The Maori do quite well, apparently.

There’s been more then one “final settlement’ made of Maori claims – a few years later, they are back for more.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2023 12:09 pm

There’s no shortage of people willing to “identify” to get a seat on the gravy train.

Perhaps I should alert my nephew’s daughter about her aboriginal great-grandmother.

She’s never claimed nor wanted to claim a cent for indigeneity so far. She and her very Christian husband have worked and saved enough to buy a small house in the suburbs of Newcastle and they are doing very well. Just like the aboriginal people around us in the 50’s. My Big Sis married one of them.

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 12:11 pm

Dot says:
May 18, 2023 at 11:21 am

I don’t see how not letting in Lehrmann and Higgins who were pissed and not going to do any work is “authoritarian” but people think they should be sacked. If they should have been sacked, they should not have been there.

You are again arguing that security guards should be obliged to make assessments about the sobriety or otherwise of legitimate pass-holders. Get back to me when you explain how they are supposed to fairly do this for all comers. Or should they just cherry-pick?

Doubling down, you now also expect said guards to intuit whether or not legitimate pass holders are going to do any work or not. Again, how? People have been known to visit their workplace while inebriated who nevertheless are there for work purposes.

Finally, in a magnificent double twist and pike, you claim that ‘ If they should have been sacked, they should not have been there. ‘ Yet, the guards should have known all this in advance? Bizarre.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 18, 2023 12:13 pm

Have covered about 4000 of driving in the last 2.5 weeks, and was pondering Australia’s geographical formation while in the big flat areas near Wagga Wagga and surrounds, and also the volcanic crater in Mt Gambier.

This is quite interesting:

https://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/national-location-information/landforms/australian-landforms-and-their-history

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 12:14 pm

There’s been more then one “final settlement’ made of Maori claims – a few years later, they are back for more.

On our last night in NZ in 2018 we stayed with my wife’s cousin.

The husband was your typical small l liberal professional but for one topic…the Maori.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 12:15 pm

Jim Chalmers’ $23 billion GST commitment to WA recognises State’s crucial role in economy
Katina CurtisThe West Australian
Thu, 18 May 2023 2:00AM
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Credit: The West Australian

The Budget papers contain a $23 billion demonstration of the Federal Government’s commitment to WA, Jim Chalmers says as he highlights the State’s importance to Australia’s continued prosperity.

That’s the amount of extra GST revenue flowing WA’s way over the next four years because of the 70¢ floor.

The Treasurer will reiterate Labor’s commitment to the 2018 GST deal when he addresses the Leadership Matters forum on Thursday.

“Given the contribution that WA makes to the national economy, to national revenue, it’s only right that you get your fair share,” he will say, according to a draft version of his speech.

Dr Chalmers has been under pressure from east coast Premiers and economists to alter or scrap the deal, which also includes “no worse off” payments to other States during a six-year transition phase set to end in mid-2027.

But he says he is proud of and committed to a deal that rectified a situation where WA received just 10¢ on every dollar of GST revenue raised in the State.

Without it, WA would have received just $900 million in GST payments in 2023-24, instead of the $6.52 billion included in the Budget.

“I hope that demonstrates that we will always try to do what’s right by Western Australians,” Dr Chalmers says.

The barbarian and backward Eastern Staters may approach, bearing their tribute…

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 12:16 pm

She’s never claimed nor wanted to claim a cent for indigeneity so far.

Don’t put temptation in her path, Lizzie.

Atm, she can respect herself and rightly so, by the sounds.

Kneel
Kneel
May 18, 2023 12:21 pm

“…the difference between sodium chloride (salt) and sodium nitrate (definitely not salt)…”

Sodium nitrate is also called “Chille salt” and is indeed a salt (chemically), the same as potasium nitrate (salt petre, as used in gun power) is a salt.

Of course, the nitrate versions are much more reactive than than chloride versions, especially at high temperatures. IIRC, a factory producing sodium nitrate (or some other, similar salt) for use as an oxidiser in the space shuttle solid fuel boosters caught fire, then blew up, rattling windows 25+km away – something good old table salt (sodium chloride) doesn’t do.

Sodium nitrate is “a salt”, but certainly not “salt”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2023 12:22 pm

You are again arguing that security guards should be obliged to make assessments about the sobriety or otherwise of legitimate pass-holders. Get back to me when you explain how they are supposed to fairly do this for all comers. Or should they just cherry-pick?

Companies like BHP require an 02 result to get in the door. The difference is that pollies will never accept that, just as they won’t mandate the Commcar fleet be switched to EVs any time soon, nor stop flying. Some animals are more equal than others.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2023 12:32 pm

Don’t put temptation in her path, Lizzie.

Her mother’s half-Maori, Roger, a drug-addict and let us say a woman with a past.
My niece has already resisted making any claims there. She’s seen where it leads.
She’s a credit to the culture of the Anglican Church School system.
My sister, her nana, paid the fees for it.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 18, 2023 12:36 pm

Are you suggesting that all pass-holders except those you mentioned should be breathalysed before being allowed into the building? Or should the low-paid, low status grunts on the door be charged with deciding who might be drunk, whatever that is firstly defined as meaning? What if the Defence Minister wants to bring a staff member with him/her who might be intoxicated?

In the resources sector, being shitfaced in the office workplace ceased to be acceptable in the 1980’s.

In my own little corner, the question of defining ’drunk’ has been pretty straightforward: no alcohol consumption in the workplace, or inside anyone coming onto the job. Nil. For anyone – no reeking Chairman, or visitors.

If you have a beer with lunch, you don’t come back to work. Do that too many times and we’re into performance management.

Authoritarian? Possibly. But the reality is that – leaving aside smooching at a business event – grog does nothing to assist performing quality work and acts as a catalyst for shite behaviour amongst colleagues which comes at an eye watering cost to the business.

Zero is simple, unambiguous, equitable, and safe – and isn’t usually an issue.

And then you get onto industrial work site restrictions…

Caveat: If you are managing a business where stupid and avoidable mistakes, or outbursts of disruptive behaviour don’t matter, you can safely ignore this prescription.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2023 12:38 pm

Full fees too. I don’t think they made any claims for indigeneity. It wasn’t a big thing back then.
Also, my sis and to his credit her part-aboriginal hippy heroin-druggie son, this girl’s father, wanted her to move away from da kultcha, both aboriginal and Maori, and become proudly Australian. As he, in spite of his problems, always claimed to be.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 12:40 pm

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/05/sexist-nsw-greens-not-one-male-mp.html
Well, a quick scanning of those faces, at least no one can accuse The Greens of bigotry.

Vicki
Vicki
May 18, 2023 12:42 pm

Re : the Voice

If only voters would take the time to read the Uluru Statement they might come to some understanding of the further implications of constitutional recognition. To start with, the referendum was finally triggered by this very event, when enough significant heavies in the Aboriginal hierarchy came to an agreement. So the Statement is a very relevant signpost to the future.

For me, the most concerning intention is for a Treaty/Treaties and consequent reparations. Treaties forever define a racial division within our country with a consequent distinction in political intervention. Reparations speaks for itself – undefined compensation for loss of a virtual continent – for that, as far fetched as it sound – is the implication. Forget the limited reach of Native Title and other Land Rights. This will potentially extend Aboriginal title beyond anything previously imagined.

They want some imagined version of the Yolgnu makarrata – a supposed sitting down after battles and disputes & resolving issues. Sorry guys – it’s a couple hundred years too late for that. But, of course, this view seems no longer to be current in the West.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2023 12:46 pm

Zero is simple, unambiguous, equitable, and safe – and isn’t usually an issue.

As a very senior manager, Hairy always insisted on this. For himself too.

Drinking evenings weeknights and after work, ok, but careful about how much, and how often.
That said, he’d have a double single malt soon after getting home after anything really stressful.
Par for the course with most of them it seemed.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 18, 2023 12:46 pm

How can anyone say that Rugby Australia adds its voice? Rugby Australia (such as it is) can’t have an opinion. People can.

The Brumbies Board thought that too:

‘Why be divisive?’ Rugby wrestles with the Voice to parliament

Rugby Australia is facing pressure from within to take a neutral stance on the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, with at least one Super Rugby club urging the governing body not to mix sport and politics.

Brumbies chairman Matthew Nobbs said the ACT Rugby board had taken the unanimous view that the club should not take a position on the matter and hoped RA would do the same.

Oddly underestimating how politics and elite sport work together.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 12:50 pm

They want some imagined version of the Yolgnu makarrata – a supposed sitting down after battles and disputes & resolving issues. Sorry guys – it’s a couple hundred years too late for that

Well said!

Vicki
Vicki
May 18, 2023 12:50 pm

https://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/national-location-information/landforms/australian-landforms-and-their-history

Thank you for that, Topender! We have travelled in campers all over Oz & are forever fascinated with the landforms, and particularly the age of the place. Our own valley (actually a canyon) is enclosed by massive sandstone escarpments from the Triassic era. One of the main watercourses running through the valley (& at the base of our property) has a rock base embedded with the debris of a past volcanic flow. Absolutely fascinating.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 18, 2023 12:53 pm

Sorry guys – it’s a couple hundred years too late for that.

And most of these gatherings contained twenty or thirty men on each side after a mere skirmish.

This was not a polity of any sort.

In point of fact, they mostly ended up clubbing a few women as the cause of the disputes.

This stuff, like the cannibalism and the infanticide and killing of the elderly, is best forgotten.
They had a hard time in a harsh continent separated from the rest of people for aeons.
Poor, nasty, brutal and short, quarrelsome and very hungry indeed for a lot of the time.
1788 was a godsend for them and they should know this and be glad. Grateful even.

shatterzzz
May 18, 2023 12:56 pm

Can’t quite believe it! .. “our” Jimmy, Oz rock “superstar” (media-wize, that is ..!) .. near miss survivor of every man & nature made catastrophe for the last 60 000 years ( Brucie defined) almost, YES, “almost” comes a cropper in an Oz road rage wiv “unknown” (but named FFS!) truckie .. If I was the truckie I’d consider sue-ing over “privacy” issues .. LOL!
Incident was soo “serious” plod was called but not interesting enuf for action .. LOL!
.. thank God for the Mail Online giving Jimmy or at least the missus a VOICE when most needed ………!
STAY SAFE, JImmy .. we luvs ya …!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12096517/Jimmy-Barnes-wife-exposes-truckie-wanted-fight-rock-legend-road-rage-incident.html

Dot
Dot
May 18, 2023 1:09 pm

There’s no reason genuinely pizzled staff need to go back to the Defence Minister’s office after a function at Parliament House, other than being too cheap to get a taxi home.

Finally, in a magnificent double twist and pike, you claim that ‘ If they should have been sacked, they should not have been there. ‘ Yet, the guards should have known all this in advance? Bizarre.

So we know they shouldn’t have been there only after the fact?

That is less fair; making the the rules up after the fact!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 1:09 pm

From the Oz.

Greg
1 hour ago
If the British had not colonised Australia, some other nation would have. Looking at the history of colonisation, the British, while far from perfect, were the best with rule of law being pre-eminent. If we take a fanciful view and say that colonisation did not occur, then the indigenous population would still be living a prehistoric hunter gather existence, devoid of modern housing, medicine, food, clothing, unifying national language and all of the benefits of the 21st century. If we are to have truth telling, then these truths must be included. Truth telling must be balanced and complete, not cherry picked. To suggest that a small group, selected/appointed by an undisclosed method, can speak with one voice for all indigenous Australians, is at best fantasy and at worst dishonest.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 1:10 pm

In more musk news:

Elon Musk

@elonmusk May 16
Soros reminds me of Magneto

@elonmusk 4h
I’d like apologize for this post

@elonmusk 4h
It was really unfair to Magneto

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/17/elon-musk-tweet-twitter-tesla-george-soros

But look at the sheer “we will ignore the behaviour of the fictional character, and instead pretend its his background that is the issue’ from the media catamites.

Soros was born into a Jewish family in Hungary in the 1930s and survived the Nazi occupation of his birth country*, while the backstory of Magneto, from a German Jewish family, portrays him as a concentration camp survivor.

Soros is a regular target for rightwing conspiracy theorists in attacks that are often flagged as thinly veiled antisemitism.**

Musk also continued his attack on Soros in replies to his tweet. Brian Krassenstein, a US journalist, responded that Soros is “attacked nonstop for his good intentions”, to which Musk replied: “You assume they are good intentions. They are not. He wants to erode the very fabric of civilization. Soros hates humanity.”

Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, said Musk was feeding “antisemitic tropes” and would “embolden extremists who already contrive anti-Jewish conspiracies”***. Musk has nearly 140 million followers on Twitter and brushes with controversy regularly in his posts.

*By being a collaborator.
** Those would be the “conspiracy theories” that state he has used vast amounts of money to influence people/events/policies, those ones??
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/grants/past
*** Soros describes himself as an Athiest – please try harder.

Rabz
May 18, 2023 1:11 pm

Hardly the Sex Scandal the Liberal Party needed, right?

Especially given there was no sex. But hey, it’s just the stupid forking gliberals, right, Eddles?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2023 1:12 pm

Armchair Warlord
@ArmchairW
Winning is when you train one of your two peer threats to defeat every advanced weapon system you own and they triple the size of their army in the process.

Yep, although I don’t think he quite realizes how right he is. 😀

I can’t see much of anything happening other than the strategic air attacks. No vaunted Ukie Spring Offensive, no swarms of Russians going the other way. All looks nearly frozen, even though it’s warmer in Ukraine than it is here in Ncl.

Dot
Dot
May 18, 2023 1:13 pm

Soros changed after about 2005. He went from wanting to better people into seeing them as a problem.

Rabz
May 18, 2023 1:18 pm

all this Ed Sheeran/Taylor Swift rubbish leaves me cold

I’ve just been regaled in excruciating detail by a 27 year old bimbo I work with that Tay Tay is re-recording her entire catalogue so as to get back at the wally who purchased the rights to her muzak back when she was about 17.

About the only thing I could tell her relating to the subject matter was that I’m not a fan of Tay Tay and I once used a clickbait article on “How to write a song like Taylor Swift” to write a song like Taylor Swift, which I then posted at SinCat.

CL was profoundly unimpressed with the result, to put it mildly.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 1:18 pm

The barbarian and backward Eastern Staters may approach, bearing their tribute…

Heres some sneaked out footage of the event.

The codpiece has replaced the cubic zircona on the cupola with a glittering array of gemstones, and we have upped the wattage on the spotlight in the hogs eye/money spigot pointed at the eastern States.
You should be able to read outdoors at night now while you bask in its salty glow.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 1:22 pm

Horrified viewers unleash on ABC host for relentlessly ‘grilling’ visibly shaken tradies after they helped free school kids trapped in crashed bus: ‘What a disgrace’

Sarah Ferguson has come under fire
Spoke to Victoria bus crash rescuers
Has been accused of being ‘insensitive’

“Did you manage to get any of their names?” F.M.S.

Rabz
May 18, 2023 1:28 pm

Jimmy Barnes’ wife exposes truckie who wanted to fight rock legend in road rage incident

Perhaps the truckie was less than gruntled about Jimmy’s “treatment” of various classics on “Soul Deep”. Or it may have been St Ruth having another less than perfect day.

Rabz
May 18, 2023 1:30 pm

What was he doing, apart from raping staffers?

Snorting huuuge quantities of gypsum from Reynold’s personal stash.

Zipster
May 18, 2023 1:30 pm

Apple Engineer Charged Over Alleged Data Theft | China In Focus
00:53 Apple Engineer Charged over Alleged Data Theft
03:59 Pentagon Report on Virus Origins Leaked
06:02 China Gains Double from ‘Developing Country’ Tag: Expert
08:26 Canada, S. Korea Meet, Agree to Boost Cooperation
09:23 Biden Shortens Overseas Trip, a Win for China?
10:40 Top Taiwanese Lawmaker Visits U.S. Capitol
12:05 Former UK Prime Minister Visits Taiwan
13:35 Strengthening Ties to Counter China: Report
15:23 Economic Nato ‘Good’ Idea: UK Politician

shatterzzz
May 18, 2023 1:39 pm

he NSW housing minister, Rose Jackson, told Guardian Australia that providing incentives to developers to convert surplus office space presented a “good opportunity” for the state as it struggles with a soaring social housing waitlist.

So, Rose went to the same Labor Academy as the “turtle” .. renewable/nuclear & commercial/residential .. she, obviously, has no idea of the difference between office space and domestic living .. what does she expect the rental charges to be after multi million dollar conversions! ……..
There’s a reason why the “big” developers prefer multi storey office block building to residential blocks and it ain’t “charity” ….. duuuuuuh!

Lysander
Lysander
May 18, 2023 1:42 pm

Biden Fatterman 2024 – It’s a no brainer!

LOL Dot! I’m stealing that!!! 😛

Morsie
Morsie
May 18, 2023 1:48 pm

Any High Court judges set to retire?Could be a job for Drumgold.

shatterzzz
May 18, 2023 1:50 pm

FitzSimons…“Aboriginal people can be consulted…

Why? …. no other ethnic/racial group is singled out for “consultation” on gummint decisions ..
we get little enuf dun, normally, imagine stopping to consult every Mo, Ho Chi, Guta & Tom feel-good gimme-more group ………

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 1:50 pm

Demonrats beg Joe “cornpoop” Biden to use awesome new powers they invented yesterday.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/17/biden-14-amendment-debt-ceiling-default-democrats

As concerns about the debt ceiling heat up, a group of Democratic senators is planning to send Joe Biden a letter requesting he use his authority under the 14th amendment of the constitution to continue paying the US government’s bills, even if the debt ceiling is not raised.

Vicki
Vicki
May 18, 2023 2:02 pm

Soros changed after about 2005. He went from wanting to better people into seeing them as a problem.

I have to say that age does nullify the idealism of youth. However, just because you no longer believe that there is some good in all people, doesn’t mean that you want to “streamline” the population.

Zipster
May 18, 2023 2:13 pm

Lehrmann was known for signing in to Parliament after hours using I.D. rather than his pass.
What was he doing, apart from raping staffers?

yo muther

shatterzzz
May 18, 2023 2:20 pm

Currently reading .. THE BRIDGE by Peter Lalor covering the SHB from an idea to a reality .. up to the chapter on the social cost, a bit that doesn’t get any, usual, publicity when the Bridge is mentioned .. From North Sydney and Milson’s Point on the North side and the Rocks on the South side hundreds of families & businesses dispossessed, virtually thrown out into the street with, sometimes, minimal notice and no compensation or much interest in what they would go or do next .. back in an era when the State gummint decided NO to compensation, regardless, for anyone as it would cost too much ….!
Nowadayz the various bleeding heart organizations, unions, ect would be up in arms and the project scrapped over a no compo outcome but back then …….

Vicki
Vicki
May 18, 2023 2:28 pm

For those who don’t realise the price many of the highly qualified dissenting medical specialists have paid in opposing the mRNA vaccines :

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Emeritus Prof of Medical Microbiology and Immunology, was one of the very first highly qualified immunologists to express opposition to the manner in which these vaccines were being introduced globally. As a consequence, like the Frontline Covid Physicians (FLCCC) he was singled to be silenced. On May 23 he will face yet another court challenge to his exercise of professional opinion.

https://doctors4covidethics.org/about-sucharit-bhakdi-md/

https://doctors4covidethics.org/about-sucharit-bhakdi-md/

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2023 2:34 pm

Can’t even give it away.

Bud Light resorts to giving its beer away for FREE: Embattled brand is mocked for offering $20 rebate on unsold cases worth just $19.98 as Dylan Mulvaney backlash causes yet another sales drop (17 May)

Bud Light now appears to be giving its beer away for free, following its disastrous partnership with transgender influencer Dylan Mulvaney.

The beer company is being mocked online for offering a $20 rebate on unsold cases worth just $19.98.

America’s flagship beer brand and its parent company, Anheuser-Busch, has been in damage control since Mulvaney shared a series of partnered posts with her [his] 11 million social media followers on April 1.

The brewer’s latest attempt to claw back consumers comes as sales fell for the fifth successive week, down nearly 24 per cent in the week ending May 6.

Miller Lite is also getting a torrid time after an ad they produced around the same time resurfaced and went viral last week. The comedienne they got for it turns out to be a fun lady, according to Ace of Spades.

P
P
May 18, 2023 2:35 pm

Calvary takeover reveals political endgame

Excerpts:

My eagerness to close all the Catholic institutions as an act of defiance had cold water poured all over it this past week, after the ACT government showed that closing Catholic facilities is not a threat to left-wing governments. Indeed, it is their end game.

The ACT government’s announcement that it would compulsorily acquire the land and assets of Calvary Public Hospital and simply offer existing staff new contracts with Canberra Health Services is a brazen attempt to get the church out of service provision.

In one move, the ACT has neutralised conscientious objection, individual and institutional. What good will it do to shut the schools and hospitals under these circumstances?

“Your aged care facility won’t allow euthanasia? We’ll just take it over, and the staff who don’t want to participate don’t have to sign a new contract with Canberra Health Services.”

“You won’t teach gender ideology in your schools? No worries, we have teachers who will, and we can afford to pay them a little extra because we will sack your religion teachers and your pastoral care teams.”

We are no longer left wondering about how the state would react if the church decided to close its health, education and welfare services.

The ACT government has answered: we will take your land and assets at a “just” price and re-employ the non-Catholic and Catholic-lite staff who had little commitment to your ethos anyway.

If this works, they have also set a precedent for every left-leaning government in the country, which at present is nearly all of them.

Muddy
Muddy
May 18, 2023 2:35 pm

If we were to focus on the measurable contributions to the development of Australia from any particular (non western European) ‘racial’ group, I’d suggest that the Chinese would be due some acknowledgement, at least prior to the mid 20th Century.

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 2:41 pm

You are again arguing that security guards should be obliged to make assessments about the sobriety or otherwise of legitimate pass-holders. Get back to me when you explain how they are supposed to fairly do this for all comers. Or should they just cherry-pick?

Companies like BHP require an 02 result to get in the door. The difference is that pollies will never accept that, just as they won’t mandate the Commcar fleet be switched to EVs any time soon, nor stop flying. Some animals are more equal than others.

Really? So, if someone has an appointment with the CEO of BHP, they have to take a breath test?

I don’t think so. Same goes for other mining companies’ head offices.

It is absurd and disingenuous to conflate the safety requirements of places where people operate heavy machinery with the requirements for white collar employees in their head offices.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2023 2:52 pm

The proles are revolting!

Trump Endorsed Daniel Cameron Wins Kentucky GOP Primary – DeSantis, Cruz, Pompeo Endorsed Candidate Places Third (17 May)

Cameron, a rising star in the party, came out on top in a crowded field of 12 Republican candidates that included former U.N. Ambassador Kelly Craft and Kentucky Agriculture Commissioner Ryan Quarles.

His campaign had the backing of former President Donald Trump in a contentious race that served as a proxy fight between the Republican presidential front-runner and a number of other Republican heavyweights, including Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, who both backed Craft.

Craft also had the high-profile endorsements of Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and House Oversight Committee Chair Rep. James Comer, R-Ky., while Quarles had the commanding support of Kentucky farmers.

This is the shape of it: the Republican candidate has got to be visibly at war with the GOP party elites, or he can’t win the nomination. Of the candidates so far only Trump is backing the Tea Party against the McConnell elitists. Unfortunately DeSantis is seen by the base as too close to the RNC elites, since he hasn’t divorced himself from them and the elite donors. Thus the margin in the primary polls lately has been going even more towards Trump.

Trump can’t win the election of course, no Republican can. But if he can wrest control of the Party away from their equivalent of the Photios/Turnbullites then he will have made a mark.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 2:55 pm

Really? So, if someone has an appointment with the CEO of BHP, they have to take a breath test?

I don’t think so. Same goes for other mining companies’ head offices.

Breathos and randoms have been in place at corporate for a couple of years now.

If they visit site they do the blow in the bag/D&A before going to site.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2023 3:03 pm

It is absurd and disingenuous to conflate the safety requirements of places where people operate heavy machinery with the requirements for white collar employees in their head offices.

Parliament House is much more dangerous than any minesite Johanna. (This is a joke.)

But the answer is no. When I worked there everything that was being rolled out for the sites was applied to our lab as well. We were closed in 2009 a year before the article I linked, but we already had a breathalyser at the main entrance and an 0.02 policy. If we hadn’t been closed we would have had the testing policy applied to us too, for everyone working at or visiting the site.

I only ever visited HQ once, but I was fascinated by the security requirements. It would be no surprise if they all have to blow below 0.02 to get in these days, as the denizens pretty much had to do contortions to get through the front door anyway. It was like Ft Knox. I’m happy to no longer working for all those Karens.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 3:04 pm

A good little read and an excellent description of the body politic.

Cosmetic democracy..

https://thecritic.co.uk/cosmetic-democracy/

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 3:05 pm

Here’s Kangaroo Court of Australia’s take, for those that only consume NewsCorp lies.
Yeah, the Morrison Government “lost” the CTV footage for the night
22/23 March 2019.

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 3:06 pm

If we were to focus on the measurable contributions to the development of Australia from any particular (non western European) ‘racial’ group, I’d suggest that the Chinese would be due some acknowledgement, at least prior to the mid 20th Century.

Yes, they fed the colonies with vegetables. So also the Germans who came from 1838 onwards and later emigrated from South Australia to the Riverina NSW, and the Lockyer Valley and Darling Downs in QLD. Wherever the soil is good in Australia you’ll usually find Germanic surnames and placenames, although many of the latter didn’t survive WWI.

Cassie of Sydney
May 18, 2023 3:07 pm

“Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, said Musk was feeding “antisemitic tropes” and would “embolden extremists who already contrive anti-Jewish conspiracies””

Greenblott has zero credibility, a former far-left Obumma flunkey. Sadly, he’s now destroyed the ADL, once a worthy organisation. What’s strange, or given his politics probably not strange, is that Greenblott only sees anti-Semitism where there’s little or none and ignores it where there’s a lot, which is on the far-left and among adherents of a particular religion.

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 3:08 pm

Oops…in my haste I didn’t read “west European”.

Well, many of those German migrants were from the east, as it happens 😀 and some were actually Germanised Slavs.

Robert Sewell
May 18, 2023 3:09 pm

Gabor:

You don’t hear about Iraq, because the western journos MSM, are not interested, plenty is happening there but like, who cares what is happening in Barcaldine?

“Oi!” says Bob. “I do!”

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 3:11 pm

Breathos and randoms have been in place at corporate for a couple of years now.

If they visit site they do the blow in the bag/D&A before going to site.
So if some Mandarin from the Chinese Mothership turns up on site, a suckhole like you will race over and demand he supply a breath specimen?
Bullshit.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 3:13 pm

So if some Mandarin from the Chinese Mothership turns up on site

Bath salts, not even once.

Rabz
May 18, 2023 3:14 pm

we can reasonably surmise that he was up to no good.
But on whose behalf?

Big Mutton*.

*As opposed to Dr Mutton.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 3:16 pm

Epstein just cost someone a lot of money.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-18/deutsche-bank-to-settle-lawsuit-by-jeffery-epstein-accusers/102363246

Deutsche Bank AG has agreed to pay $US75 million ($113 million) to settle a lawsuit by women who say they were abused by the late financier Jeffrey Epstein, and accused the German bank of facilitating his sex trafficking.

It is not clear how the settlement will impact JPMorgan which faces larger lawsuits by Epstein’s accusers
The accord resolves claims in a proposed class action in Manhattan federal court by Epstein’s accusers, and was confirmed by their lawyers late on Wednesday. Court approval is required.

Epstein had been a Deutsche Bank client from 2013 to 2018.

He died in August 2019 in jail while awaiting trial for sex trafficking, which New York City’s medical examiner called a suicide.

The secret of who was in Epstein’s blackmail book has lasted longer than the secrets of the Manhattan project.

Rabz
May 18, 2023 3:25 pm

Speaking of braindead presidential candidates:

The Wookie, Shrillary and Dr Biden.

What, no mention of the Kamel? I’m so looking forward to her telling the Wookie during the run off debates: “You look like you’ve just fallen out of coconut tree”.

After which, much Shrillarity will no doubt ensue*.

*Audible in space.

P
P
May 18, 2023 3:25 pm

Hospital acquisition bill could give police ‘draconian’ power to enforce takeover
Calvary has attacked “draconian” proposed legal powers for police to enforce the compulsory acquisition of the Bruce public hospital.
Source: Canberra Times.

Police could be granted power to use “force as is reasonably necessary” to ensure compliance with the takeover, government legislation says.

But the Government says it has no intention to use the power and would rely on it only in “the most unlikely of circumstances”.

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 3:30 pm

The secret of who was in Epstein’s blackmail book has lasted longer than the secrets of the Manhattan project.

I see the US Virgin Islands authorities attempted t0 serve a subpoena on Google co-founder, Larry Page, in order for him to testify at the trial of JP Morgan Chase bankers alleged to have facilitated Epstein’s trafficking. Except they couldn’t find him at any of his four registered addresses in the territory.

He’s probably on his super yacht on the way to Fiji or NZ, where he owns properties.

Presumption of innocence and all that, but it’s suspicious behaviour from someone who evidently knew he would be asked to testify.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 18, 2023 3:34 pm

No point in asking what Bruce was doing after hours at APH. Just check your server for the cctv footage. You know, the one you use so you know everything that happens in your dreams.

Rabz
May 18, 2023 3:38 pm

He died in August 2019 in jail while awaiting trial for sex trafficking, which New York City’s medical examiner called Arkancide

Modified slightly to ensure some semblance of accuracy.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
May 18, 2023 3:41 pm

But the Government says it has no intention to use the power and would rely on it only in “the most unlikely of circumstances”.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA……………………………….I’ve heard that one before, so many times that I now know that it means “we will definitely use it at the first opportunity”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 18, 2023 3:52 pm

Really? So, if someone has an appointment with the CEO of BHP, they have to take a breath test?

I don’t think so. Same goes for other mining companies’ head offices.

Random D&A testing happens at many US offices, and if it does, will happen at their Australian branches.

However, the usual way this thing works in Australia is via an extremely odd concept – alien to many – ‘personal responsibility’.

It goes like this:

FaustusCo had a zero alcohol at work policy (ZAp) – a H&S initiative which applies to all staff and visitors, no matter how high and mighty.

FaustusCo staff are responsible for their visitors while they are on the premises.

CEO Faustus receives an important visitor, who turns up to the office stinking of XXXX.

CEO Faustus then has a choice of:

1) Explaining the (ZAp) to the visitor and rescheduling the meeting;

2) Saying something along the lines of “Let’s pop out to [insert club, pub, caff, of choice here ] then we can chat without worrying about the (ZAp)”;

3) Ignoring the (ZAp) and hoping that nobody notices the visitor has a couple of schooners on board.

If Choice 3, and somebody does notice the cat piss aroma of XXXX, the CEO quits, or performs a terrible mea culpa penance – or alternatively toughs it out and waves goodby to personal authority and an important H&S policy.

This sort of self-regulating thing appears to work quite well in the private sector, but may not pass the PS sniff test.

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 3:55 pm

Breathos and randoms have been in place at corporate for a couple of years now.

You haven’t answered my question.

Do visitors to the CEO have to undergo breath tests? That would be the equivalent to visitors to a Minister.

Dot’s ridiculous and authoritarian suggestion would make it so.

As for Dot’s desire to sobriety test people with access to the PM’s office or the Defence Minister’s office, the Ministerial area of Parliament House is all of a piece. Any of the hundreds of people who work there can walk into those offices, although not straight into the Big Boss’ personal office.

Dot would have banned Winston Churchill’s staff from his office after lunch, let alone dinner. 🙂

132andBush
132andBush
May 18, 2023 3:55 pm

It is absurd and disingenuous to conflate the safety requirements of places where people operate heavy machinery with the requirements for white collar employees in their head offices.

If we’re talking politicians and staffers then I see no reason why they shouldn’t be tested each day.
Given what’s happened since March 2020 it’s obvious some of them are either on the pi$$ all the time and/or taking drugs.
Australia is a piece of heavy machinery and I for one would like those who see themselves fit to drive her to be sober when they do.

Vicki
Vicki
May 18, 2023 4:06 pm

Black clouds gathering as Reuters reports JP Morgan is forming a “war room” in anticipation of the debt ceiling crisis in the US.

General feeling from other sources seems to be that there will continue to be jitters and manoeuvres until real financial fallout begins in the last quarter of this year. I guess we can’t say we were not warned.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 18, 2023 4:10 pm

The situation is out of control. Even though the images have been pixelated, it is impossible to deny that this is graphic pron being exposed to children.

It is disgusting and nothing short of psychological child abuse … the realm of d*ckhead Dan and his recent antics.

As for any parent who reads that crap to their kids as a bedtime story? I have to self-censor.

Scary times. The qwerty freak show continues unabated. As for home schooling, not everyone is in a financial to do so.

17:21
__________

Stew Peters Show:

A Virginia public school is peddling pornographic books to children.
Activist and mom Stacy Langton is here to further expose perverted school officials who want to sexualize kids.
“QUEER, A Graphic History” is a book that has been made available to minors within the Fairfax County Public School system.
The book depicts a mother wearing a strap-on dildo and a father on his hands and knees.
This is the very essence of grooming children to put them on a path of sexual perversion.
Assistant superintendent Noel Kilmenko is the one who decided to put the perverted book back into the hands of children.
The book also claims heterosexuality is oppressive.
This is an attack on the God given roles of men and women described clearly in the Bible.
This is one of the reasons why families are starting to homeschool their children.

GRAPHIC Sex Book Pushed On Kids: Virginia Public School Allows PORN Book Showing DEVIANT SEX ACT

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 4:11 pm

Goodbye to Winnie, then.

He offended the wowsers.

Warwick
Warwick
May 18, 2023 4:14 pm

All this talk of security being sacked for letting Bruce and his “friend” into the office at 2am is pointless unless you know what the protocol was. Any half-decent security access system will have details of what level of access is allowed, and also what is the procedure for not having your access pass. Firstly, it would say something like “24/7”, “24/5”, or “0800am to 1800pm M-F”. There is likely to be a photo of the staff member on the system. So, Bruce turns up at 2am. He says I need to get into the office and I have forgotten my pass. So, security would type in Bruce Lehrmann. His profile would come up and it would show 24/7 access allowed and his photo. Out-of-hours access would be recorded on a registry, marked up in the security log, and conceivably a record sent to his manager. At long as the conditions were met, then security did its job. Is it appropriate, or reasonable to come back to the office drunk at 2.00am? Well, that’s not security’s job to determine. They probably make $25.00 bucks an hour plus shift penalties.
In my experience working security in CBD office towers, staff coming back to the office drunk is extremely common. Girls like to go out and leave their gym bags in the office. Some have a little too much to drink and want to sober up with some water before they get into a taxi with Iqbal the Driver for the trip back to Blacktown. Blokes often like to big it up and show off and imply they are big wheels and have urgent business back in the office!! Just got to review the Penske file!!
Anyway, by all accounts the CCTV footage showed they neither appeared heavily intoxicated. Britney said she was 10 out of 10 drunk but that was not born out by the CCTV.
Sometimes the office is the safest place if they are extremely intoxicated. It is either the safe environment of a secure office after too many drinks, or the city streets at 02.00am. On balance, the girl is safer in the office. Is she safer in the office with Bruce? Well, if they were both entitled to be there that’s a moot point for security.

Robert Sewell
May 18, 2023 4:14 pm

Rickw:

Gaddafi getting taken out was pretty left field. You get the sense in his final minutes that he was pretty incensed at having been double crossed.

I think at the time he would have been a little more incensed about having a camel debollocking knife shoved up his arse, but “whatever”.

shatterzzz
May 18, 2023 4:14 pm

These media outlets just can’t help their “racial” bias when it comes to 251s ..
1st off they’ve avoided mentioning “race” something they luv to do on the majority of 251 tales and 2ndly, and most telling, NO comments allowed .. They didn’t shut off the comments for last week’s couple on the Gold Coast did they .. No, of course not, they wuz “whitie” … !
Wonder if CentreLink ever look into any of these “idiots” who publicize their tax payer funded rip-offs …… seems not cos no one is stupid enuf to say, “I don’t work cos I luvs the dole” … replete with name & pix advertising … are they? .. LOL!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12096231/Why-young-Aussie-happier-Centrelink-getting-dream-job.html

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2023 4:14 pm

Nato’s Jens Stoltenberg appears to be a whack job. Unfortunately he’s in a position to do a lot of damage

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2023 4:17 pm

If we’re talking politicians and staffers then I see no reason why they shouldn’t be tested each day.

Also CCTV in their offices, all conversations recorded, all their (and close family) financial affairs audited every year. Let *them* enjoy the surveillance society they have imposed on us.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 4:20 pm

The point is that the Morrison Government “lost” the CTV footage of Lehrmann’s “activities” while inside PH.
Did they “lose” it before Reynolds called Higgins in to give her the sack?

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
May 18, 2023 4:20 pm

AFL’s Voice referendum meddling going down well: even age reader comments are giving it raspberries

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 4:21 pm

On another note, TheirABC ran a story the other day about Australian children’s writer Mem Fox having a book banned in Florida, because ultra right wing fascists/censors. Shocking! Appalling!

Turned out the book is not banned, but it was on some list a leftie organisation promulgated as fact. A sheepish but only partial backtrack was subsequently published. The information was provided in good faith, so why would we check it?

If you want to see the almost invisible list of TheirABC’s admissions of guilt, you have to go to the very bottom of the page and click on Editorial Policies. There is a link to their owned up to whoopsies, which are few and far between.

So much for transparency. Suck it up, taxpayers!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 4:23 pm

In my experience working security in CBD office towers, staff coming back to the office drunk is extremely common

That was my experience, as well.

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 4:24 pm

Eyrie says:
May 18, 2023 at 4:17 pm

If we’re talking politicians and staffers then I see no reason why they shouldn’t be tested each day.

Also CCTV in their offices, all conversations recorded, all their (and close family) financial affairs audited every year. Let *them* enjoy the surveillance society they have imposed on us.
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And just who would be in charge of all this?

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 18, 2023 4:28 pm

I see Hawforn’s sham racism complaint has saw Alistair Clarkson step down from Norf. Thinking he’s one bloke who won’t be heeding the AFL’s ‘Yes’ vote directive. FMD

JC
JC
May 18, 2023 4:28 pm

Hey Cronkite.

Indolent put up this link earlier. Can you have a shot at it?

Indolent says:
May 17, 2023 at 10:41 pm

Steve Milloy
@JunkScience

Just in from NOAA:

April 2023 cooler in the US than April 1895, despite a 1000% increase in industrial era atmospheric CO2.

Emissions-driven warming is a total hoax.

My question is, would we have reliable records/ would records of that time – back in 1895- be accurate enough to make a comparison keeping in mind that we’re talking about tiny wiggles in temps? Let’s leave aside that “2023” isn’t even half way through, so the US summer season hasn’t been recorded.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2023 4:29 pm

Ed Casesays:
May 18, 2023 at 4:20 pm
The point is that the Morrison Government “lost” the CTV footage of Lehrmann’s “activities” while inside PH.
Did they “lose” it before Reynolds called Higgins in to give her the sack?

Hang on, hang on Grandpa Ed Simpson, you have been assuring us for months that you know exactly what happened inside the office. The only ways that could be true are, you have seen the CCTV footage, you were there and observed the events, or one of the participants gave you a (probably self-serving) account of the events.

Which was it, or are you simply pursuing your obsession with Mizzz Knickerless?

JC
JC
May 18, 2023 4:31 pm

Warwick

I don’t think one should compare security protocols for commercial offices and the Parliament. It could and should not be the same thing.

132andBush
132andBush
May 18, 2023 4:35 pm

johanna says:
May 18, 2023 at 4:11 pm
Goodbye to Winnie, then.

He offended the wowsers.

The current crop is not in the same league.
And who’s to say he wouldn’t have functioned better if he’d laid off it a bit?
BTW, I’m far from a puritan, all I’m saying is given what these morons put us through they can fall under some bloody scrutiny.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 4:37 pm

Comment, from the Age.

Barry59
1 hour ago
Meanwhile here in Victoria the ALP State Govt bail laws introduced in 2017 saw the incarceration rate of Aboriginal women double. Ever hear any comment by the AFL? Me neither. Then there is the fact that here again in Victoria an indigenous baby under 12 months is nine times more likely than a non indigenous baby to be taken into Govt care. Every hear the AFl speak out against it? Me neither. The AFL has now been running Dreamtime games since 2005 which morphed into a whole round which has become two rounds and the Sir Pastor Doug Nicholls Rounds. What are some of the key issues facing many modern day Indigenous people? Family violence, health issues linked to alcohol, cigarettes and diet choices, kids attendance at school. Has there been a single indigenous round that has focused on improvements in some of those areas. Of course not. The AFL has rightly given lifetime bans to those making racist comments at football yet has also this year provided an AFL life membership to an individual who made public comments about comparing a well known Indigenous footballer to a well known Ape and doing that a short time after that Indigenous person had been racially vilified at a game. And have a look at the current mess relating to the AFl’s investigation of Hawthorn’s treatment of some Indigenous players. You can’t make this stuff up. The AFL is big on symbolism/cultural activities and low on real action when it comes to Indigenous issues and the Voice support fits firmly in the former.

Robert Sewell
May 18, 2023 4:40 pm

A question for those who want a ‘yes’ vote:
I own a gold mine that has been in my family for 6 generations. It makes a profit of $48 Million dollars per year. If the Yes vote gets up, what are my chances of keeping it despite having been compliant with all the relevant legal requirements up to this point? Will my rights to the profits be kept? What is there to prevent the local Aboriginal Corporation from confiscating my mine or levying a 99% tax on it?

Now replace ‘gold mine’ with ‘family house’, and remove the profit angle.
Will I need to get permission from them if I want to add a bedroom to it? Will there be a fee for planning?

mem
mem
May 18, 2023 4:43 pm

ttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-18/bp-purchases-daisy-downs-23-million-green-energy-expansion-wa/102362672
I just don’t see the demand for Green Hydrogen, given the cost of producing it and transporting it safely. Perhaps I’m not seeing the big picture here?

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 4:50 pm

Meanwhile here in Victoria the ALP State Govt bail laws introduced in 2017 saw the incarceration rate of Aboriginal women double. Ever hear any comment by the AFL?

Evidently there wasn’t a new $240m stadium in the offing at the time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2023 4:51 pm

Grandpa Ed Simpson

You’re a longstanding troll, but is it too much to ask that you be an honest troll?

LOL, Hahahahahahahahahahahahaaa! Pot, meet kettle!

P
P
May 18, 2023 4:53 pm

Tony Abbott slams Rugby Australia’s support of the Voice as ‘moral blackmail’

Former prime minister Tony Abbott says Rugby Australia is the latest sports body to succumb to “moral blackmail” in their support for the Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

“This is totally different from 1967 or ending white Australia,” Mr Abbott said.

“It’s entrenching race into our constitution and changing our system of government.

“As a former rugby player, I hope no one will feel bullied by this most regrettable decision by a code that should have known better.”

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 4:56 pm

132andBush says:
May 18, 2023 at 4:35 pm

johanna says:
May 18, 2023 at 4:11 pm
Goodbye to Winnie, then.

He offended the wowsers.

The current crop is not in the same league.

Sez who? His opponents at the time, who were many and powerful, thought and said that he was a dangerous nutcase, and should be shut down

Exactly the same criticisms could apply to anyone.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2023 4:56 pm

Here’s Kangaroo Court of Australia’s take, for those that only consume NewsCorp lies

Oh Groogs. Even you can do better than this.

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 4:56 pm

And just who would be in charge of all this?

Preferably an Aufseherin type promoted up from the APS HR department from hell.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2023 4:59 pm

Grandpa Edc Simpson

You just made this up to curry favor, right?

LOLO, Hahahahahahahahaaaa!, Pot, I know you have already met, but meet kettle again.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2023 5:01 pm

In my experience working security in CBD office towers, staff coming back to the office drunk is extremely common

I couldn’t possibly comment.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2023 5:04 pm

In my defence I never operated anything heavier than a laptop.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2023 5:05 pm

Ed Casesays:
May 18, 2023 at 11:27 am
Why was Lehrmann in the habit of showing up at odd hours without his Pass?
Does the Pass allow security to track the holders whereabouts in the building?

Details of the times and dates of these “habit[ual]” events? Or did you just, as usual, make the assertion up?

Warwick
Warwick
May 18, 2023 5:14 pm

JC, you are entitled to think whatever you like about the security access regime at Parliament House. If you wish, write a letter to your local member expressing your concerns. The point I made is that security can only follow the protocols they have been given. 1 Does this staff member have 24/7 access? 2. What is the policy regarding access to premises if an I/D card is not presented. It’s not complicated. As long as security followed the process properly – which it appears they did- they are in the clear. End of story.

Anchor What
Anchor What
May 18, 2023 5:16 pm

Football codes back The Voice!
They also write novels.
In crayon.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 5:16 pm

“QUEER, A Graphic History” is a book that has been made available to minors within the Fairfax County Public School system.
The book depicts a mother wearing a strap-on dildo and a father on his hands and knees.

Are you sure thats the right book title.

Im sure that picture is a direct copy of the photocopy given to blokes in the family law court with the heading “your rights under the law”..

On a serious note, what this is doing, as are the drag shows etc is NORMALISING extreme behavior.
The same mongs who think exposure to a swastika carried by a knucklehead Neanderthal will bring on the 25th reich are mysteriously unable to see the same shaven ape as any problem as long as its strapped a glitter sprinkled dildo to its forehead and frocked up.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2023 5:19 pm

Another reason to vote no.

Matt Kean to campaign for the ‘Yes’ vote for the Voice (18 May)

Shadow NSW Health Minister Matt Kean will campaign for the ‘Yes’ vote in the Indigenous Voice referendum and to unite and build a stronger nation.

“I support the Voice, I’ll be campaigning for it, I’ll be campaigning to unite the nation and build a stronger nation,” Mr Kean told Sky News Australia.

What, like you’ve been building a stronger nation by destroying our electricity grid and locking us down in our own houses and getting us fired from our jobs to protect people from a virus most people don’t know that they have? Just go away and get a job at Macquarie or somewhere, and leave us alone.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 5:19 pm

Wozza:
Clearly the movements of the Security Pass holder can be checked, since Lehrmann purposely left his at home.
So, the rule shoulda been changed because of what Lehrmann was doing after hours in PH.
No Pass, No Access.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 5:20 pm

Yolngu man Yunupingu is gone, but his flame and truth live on

Comments have suddenly gone down the memory hole…..somebody mentioned his track record with women…..

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 5:21 pm

H B Bear says:
May 18, 2023 at 5:01 pm

In my experience working security in CBD office towers, staff coming back to the office drunk is extremely common

I couldn’t possibly comment.

No, no, dot intuitively knows, and the security staff also know, just why every person comes into their workplace.

P.S. Some might say that it is possible that I was once inebriated in the workplace. Friday night drinks may have been mentioned.

The customs of those of us who worked late into the night on other days having a sherbet … oh, well.

I recommend Alan Ashworth’s That Reminds Me at The Conservative Womanan (on the sidebar) for details.

Crossie
Crossie
May 18, 2023 5:25 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
May 18, 2023 at 5:19 pm
Another reason to vote no.

Matt Kean to campaign for the ‘Yes’ vote for the Voice (18 May)

Not surprised at all. I refrain from commenting on people’s looks as much as possible but I will make an exception in Keen’s case, he even looks like a total idiot.

Crossie
Crossie
May 18, 2023 5:27 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
May 18, 2023 at 5:20 pm
Yolngu man Yunupingu is gone, but his flame and truth live on
Comments have suddenly gone down the memory hole…..somebody mentioned his track record with women…..

Tsk, tsk, don’t you know it’s the kulcha.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 18, 2023 5:29 pm

I agree bushie. Any workplace can sack you with alcahol or drugs in your system, why not effing politicians.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 5:29 pm

No, no, dot intuitively knows, and the security staff also know, just why every person comes into their workplace.

I’m remembering two little Karens, being as ruse as they could, to a security guard for daring to ask them for their passes – ‘After all, that’s probably the only job you could get, wearing a uniform and harassing people…”

Guess who turned up next day, wearing his medal ribbons and CIB……it may not have been strictly legal, but he made his point…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 5:29 pm

johannasays:
May 18, 2023 at 5:21 pm

In small words explain why the shits who make the laws enabling businesses to be sued for industrial manslaughter/negligence etc should be exempt from those laws.

They should be followed 24/7, and charged and automatically fined/imprisoned at the maximum rate for every breach of any law on the books.
If its good enough for Billy Bongsmoke it even better for our political class to feel the full extent of the laws they inflict on others.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 5:30 pm

…..being as rude as they could…

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 5:34 pm

So, you think that Winston Churchill should have been sacked because he drank?

The purists are always among us.

Some Marxist splinter group is missing a member.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 18, 2023 5:34 pm

Latest on Hawforn’s sham shitshow, Hun (irredeemable clown Mark Robinson):

Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan are unlikely to attend proposed mediation talks with First Nations players and their partners as the Hawthorn racism scandal approaches a complete breakdown.

An emergency meeting is expected to be held Friday between four First Nations families and their legal team led by Leon Zwier, when a decision will be made on their next course of action.

It is possible the dispute will end up in the Human Rights Commission in the Federal Court.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan on Thursday was believed to be hopeful the mediation meeting in Adelaide on Tuesday would still take place.

Mediation talks were proposed by the independent investigation panel set up by the AFL. (fix is in?)

It’s possible the AFL, Hawthorn and the First Nations players and their families could attend a meeting without the coaches to discuss AFL and club policies on racism.

McLachlan has been a central part of shuttle mediation between all parties in recent days, where he has tried to find some common ground ahead of the proposed mediation talks.

Fagan said on Thursday he had not agreed to mediation and was unaware of it being mooted to take place next week.

“Maybe I’ll hear something today,” he said.

Clarkson on Thursday stepped away from his role as North Melbourne coach, citing his mental health as the reason.

It has all the hallmarks of you know, not actually occurring. Perfect coincidence that this is before the Doug Nicholls round, or rounds.
Shut it down, fire them all.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2023 5:36 pm

Ed Casesays:
May 18, 2023 at 5:19 pm
Wozza:
Clearly the movements of the Security Pass holder can be checked, since Lehrmann purposely left his at home.

It is by no means unknown for people to forget their pass on workday mornings. You are an idiot who will make up and say anything in a vain attempt to appear to have “secret” inside knowledge.

You are also a recent “blow in” (unless you are prepared to list your pervious Noms de Blog), and should blow out.

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 5:36 pm

thefrollickingmole says:
May 18, 2023 at 5:29 pm

johannasays:
May 18, 2023 at 5:21 pm

In small words explain why the shits who make the laws enabling businesses to be sued for industrial manslaughter/negligence etc should be exempt from those laws.

They should be followed 24/7, and charged and automatically fined/imprisoned at the maximum rate for every breach of any law on the books.
If its good enough for Billy Bongsmoke it even better for our political class to feel the full extent of the laws they inflict on others.

In small words explain where I said any of that.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 5:39 pm

So, you think that Winston Churchill should have been sacked because he drank?

Interesting that Field Marshall Alan Brooke, one of Churchill’s vocal critics, recorded in his diary that he only saw Churchill visibly “the worse for wear” once, through the whole course of Wobbly Wobbly Two.

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 5:40 pm

GreyRanga says:
May 18, 2023 at 5:29 pm

I agree bushie. Any workplace can sack you with alcahol or drugs in your system, why not effing politicians.

One, that’s not true.

Two, who is going to be in charge of that?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 5:44 pm

In small words explain where I said any of that.

Ok then, what was your point in bringing up what you did.

Explain that first.

Do visitors to the CEO have to undergo breath tests? That would be the equivalent to visitors to a Minister.

Dot’s ridiculous and authoritarian suggestion would make it so.

As for Dot’s desire to sobriety test people with access to the PM’s office or the Defence Minister’s office, the Ministerial area of Parliament House is all of a piece. Any of the hundreds of people who work there can walk into those offices, although not straight into the Big Boss’ personal office.

Dot would have banned Winston Churchill’s staff from his office after lunch, let alone dinner.

Winston didnt pass a law (as best I know) mandating sobriety as a prerequisite for certain types of employment while exempting the political class (including himself)

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 5:47 pm

If its good enough for Billy Bongsmoke it even better for our political class to feel the full extent of the laws they inflict on others.

Utter bullshit.
Billy Bongsmoke gets the rest of the day off with pay.
If he’s got illegal drugs in his system he gets sent to rehab, on full pay, all expenses paid.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 5:48 pm

Letters from PMs to the Queen kept hidden from public

EXCLUSIVE
By TROY BRAMSTON
Senior Writer
@TroyBramston
4:53PM May 18, 2023
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More than 20 items of direct correspondence between former prime ministers and Queen Elizabeth II have been blocked from public ­release following a Freedom of ­Information request because disclosure would damage inter­national relations.

A request by The Australian for letters exchanged between Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison and the queen as Australia’s head of state found 22 items existed but access has been denied, even though she is deceased and the prime ministers are no longer in office.

The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet recognised that the queen was Australia’s head of state but said revealing correspondence with her prime ministers in Australia would apparently breach confidentiality and could reasonably be expected to “cause damage” to international relations.

“While the queen was Australia’s head of state, she simultaneously occupied the roles of the queen of the UK and queen of other commonwealth realms,” the department advised The Australian late last week. “By nature of multiple roles held by the queen, breaching these conventions could reasonably damage Australia’s relations with other realms of which the queen was head of state, including but not limited to the UK, Canada and New Zealand.”

The department earlier advised that disclosing a document may “diminish the confidence which another country would have in Australia as a reliable recipient of its confidential information” even though the prime minister is head of government and the queen is constitutionally head of state.

Although the prime minister writes to the monarch only on official matters and the three prime ministers did so on official letterhead, and with the assistance of government staff and officials, the department also concluded that disclosing such correspondence would breach the personal privacy of third parties.

“I accept that the requested documents are indeed commonwealth records by virtue of being official government communi­cations,” the department said. “I am satisfied that disclosure of the material in question would constitute an unreasonable disclosure of personal information.”

The FOI request led to the discovery of 22 items of correspondence exchanged with the queen between September 2013 and September 2022. This covers the periods in office of Mr Abbott, Mr Turnbull, Mr Morrison and Anthony Albanese. No correspondence was found between Mr Albanese and the queen.

Although access to the documents was refused, a schedule made available to The Australian reveals Mr Abbott exchanged 12 items of correspondence with the monarch in less than two years. Four items were located during Mr Turnbull’s prime minister­ship, and six for Mr Morrison.

The department also found, after an internal review of the decision, that releasing correspondence would have an adverse impact on the operations of agencies even though the prime ministers are out of office and the queen is no longer on the throne. Moreover, the department found that the public interest was not served by releasing the documents.

Correspondence between prime ministers and the monarch is not subject to the same 20-year rule that governs the release of cabinet records. However, the department suggests they could be released in accordance with the Archives Act 1983 after 20 years.

“I have considered your submission that the passing of the queen, and the fact that the former prime ministers referenced in the requested documents no longer hold office, does not impact the ­operations of an agency,” the department argued. “The fact that these offices are no longer occupied by the same individuals does not lessen their sensitivity.”

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 5:51 pm

Winston didnt pass a law (as best I know) mandating sobriety as a prerequisite for certain types of employment while exempting the political class (including himself)

There’s been no Laws passed anywhere mandating Drug & Alcohol testing, you lying sack o’ shit.
It’s all Union driven, mostly by the CFMEU, and rorted like buggery, as you well know.

Lysander
Lysander
May 18, 2023 5:53 pm

Lehrmann was known for signing in to Parliament after hours using I.D. rather than his pass.
What was he doing, apart from raping staffers?

Ed Cuss, you really are an idiot. And I can tell you why…

I’ve hung around my fair farken share of Parliaments till all hours of the night waiting for various debates to come up or Bills that I was overseeing be passed. A little known fact, in Vic Parliament there’s a lounge-ish areas, with a fridge full of beer (at $1 each circa early 2000’s) some of us used to go and have a kip in. Where else to go when you’re still awake at 130am and you’ve gotta be back at work at 8am that same morning!

I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve been in and out of Parliaments at all hours (sitting or not). When I’ve seen an attendant (also known as security but under the Speaker they provide security services and attendant services to MPs inside and outside the chamber), I’ve never once been asked for my pass. Period.

I say g’day “Jeremy” or “Bill” or whoever happens to be on the front, back or side entrance desk and that’s about it. After a few years of seeing, eating, “meeting” with these (mostly fellas) they tend not to ask for ID… perhaps they should, but never happened to me.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 5:53 pm

Billy Bongsmoke gets the rest of the day off with pay.
If he’s got illegal drugs in his system he gets sent to rehab, on full pay, all expenses paid.

Methylated bath salts, they are so hot now….

Everything you wrote in that statement is incorrect.
No part of it is correct.
We are all more weighed down by stupid after viewing your thought queef.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 5:53 pm

From the Oz – I’ve posted the whole article.

Thanks for the break Shane Drumgold, now please don’t come back
Chris Merritt Chris Merritt
5:35PM May 18, 2023

Shane Drumgold KC has done the right thing. He deserves credit for taking four weeks’ leave as Director of Public Prosecutions of the ACT. He would deserve more credit if he never returned.

If he remains the territory’s top prosecutor, there is a risk that criminal justice will suffer.

The evidence before Walter Sofronoff’s inquiry into the handling of the Bruce Lehrmann rape trial shows Drumgold sits at the centre of a network of dysfunctional professional relationships.
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The DPP’s relationships with the courts and the police are essential if the justice system is to work. But consider what has come to light at this inquiry.

On the AFP, Drumgold has backflipped on his assertion – made without evidence – that it was “possible if not probable” that political pressure had been brought to bear on AFP commissioner Reece Kershaw to prevent Lehrmann being charged with raping Brittany Higgins.

His own counsel, Mark Tedeschi, KC, has told Sofronoff that the AFP had a “bizarre” approach to whether Lehrmann should be charged; and the attitude of police towards Drumgold was one of “resentment”.

On the courts, Drumgold has admitted he misled Chief Justice Lucy McCallum. The question of whether this was intentional is irrelevant.

Even if he apologises to the court – and that needs to happen – how much weight could the Supreme Court place on future submissions from this DPP?

Consider what happened: Drumgold presented the court with a note of a conversation with journalist Lisa Wilkinson that he said was contemporaneous. It was not. An addendum had been inserted on his instructions.

McCallum relied on that note and issued a judgment criticising Wilkinson for giving a speech praising Higgins that led to a stay of Lehrmann’s trial.

Contemporaneous notes are more reliable than reconstructions. So thanks to Drumgold’s actions, the factual basis for McCallum’s criticism of Wilkinson must now be in doubt.

McCallum’s judgment says Drumgold issued a “clear and appropriate warning” to Wilkinson. Yet did he?

It is beyond dispute that Wilkinson made a speech praising Higgins that led to a stay.

But what is now in doubt, because of Drumgold’s actions, is what the DPP actually told Wilkinson before she delivered that speech.

Sofronoff has before him a letter to Drumgold from Beverley McGarvey, chief content office and executive vice-president of Paramount, Wilkinson’s ultimate employer.

That letter was written on the day of McCallum’s judgment. It says: “Neither Ms Wilkinson nor the Network Ten senior legal counsel present at the conference with the DPP on 15 June, 2022 understood that they had been cautioned that Ms Wilkinson giving an acceptance speech at the Logie awards could result in an application being made to the court to vacate the trial date. Had they understood that a specific warning had been given, Ms Wilkinson would not have given the speech.”

These are just some of the problems that have emerged in the DPP’s professional relationships with others in the criminal justice system.

They have presented Shane Rattenbury, the territory’s Attorney-General, with a diabolical problem.

The AG has political responsibility for the fairness and effectiveness of the criminal justice system. So when does that duty require him to act?

To some, it might seem fair to allow Drumgold to remain in office until Sofranoff weighs the accusations against him, and assesses his explanations.

Sacking Drumgold now, without waiting for Sofronoff’s report, would leave Rattenbury exposed to criticism for failing to act fairly – which is exactly the same failure that ran through the Lehrmann prosecution.

But how fair would it be to victims of crime and those accused of crime to leave Drumgold in place? That would also expose the Attorney-General to criticism.

Drumgold’s own testimony shows he accepts that he made errors during the Lehrmann prosecution, misled the court and did not consider matters that should have been considered.

Something had to be done. And it could be that Rattenbury is more subtle than some might credit.

Last Friday, Rattenbury declined an invitation to express confidence in Drumgold. This could have put the DPP on notice that it was time to fall on his sword.

Four weeks leave is not a solution. But it will provide a breathing space for Rattenbury and will give Drumgold time to reflect and consider his position.

He will have plenty of time to ponder what sort of report he is likely to face when Sofranoff completes this inquiry.

To that end, he might wish to refer to Sofranoff’s remarks in April, 2017, when he was welcomed to the bench as a judge of the Supreme Court of Queensland and president of the Court of Appeal.

Sofranoff referred to the principles that attracted his father and other refugees from Russia’s Bolshevik revolution to this country.

He referred to the fact that the legislature, the courts and the executive consisted of people acting instinctively in accordance with the rule of law.

This is what many refugees strive for “and that’s what I strive for”.

“We believe in rules that are rational and knowable, in rules that apply to everyone equally.

“In short we believe in fair play. And we believe in repelling any kind of corruption or distortion of our institutions that would pervert the conduct of the people who constitute those institutions …

“We in this country are so deeply committed to these beliefs that any tampering with the integrity of the foundations of our civil society by anyone, in any way, draws immediate outrage from within the institutions and from the people themselves,” Sofranoff said.

Chris Merritt is vice-president of the Rule of Law Institute of Australia

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 5:56 pm

thefrollickingmole says:
May 18, 2023 at 5:44 pm

In small words explain where I said any of that.

Ok then, what was your point in bringing up what you did.

In other words, I never said what you accused me of, by your own admission.

You are usually better than that.

Robert Sewell
May 18, 2023 5:58 pm

P:

Police could be granted power to use “force as is reasonably necessary” to ensure compliance with the takeover, government legislation says.
But the Government says it has no intention to use the power and would rely on it only in “the most unlikely of circumstances”.

Like if there were to be a flu epidemic or something?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 5:59 pm

What is industrial manslaughter?
How does it relate to a “duty to provide a safe workplace”?

https://www.rrp.com.au/industrial-manslaughter-penalties-across-australia/

Lysander
Lysander
May 18, 2023 6:02 pm

I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve been in and out of Parliaments at all hours (sitting or not). When I’ve seen an attendant (also known as security but under the Speaker they provide security services and attendant services to MPs inside and outside the chamber), I’ve never once been asked for my pass. Period.

And to add to this Ed, Departmental Heads and bigwigs, at best get to come to Parliament two or three times. As a staffer, you basically live there (and so does security)

johanna
johanna
May 18, 2023 6:03 pm

Winston didnt pass a law (as best I know) mandating sobriety as a prerequisite for certain types of employment while exempting the political class (including himself)

Weak, mole.

Industrial safety laws have nothing to do with the doings of MPs and staffers going in and out of Parliament.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 6:04 pm

johannasays:
May 18, 2023 at 5:56 pm

Underneath what you are choosing to use as a ‘Im right” is a section from your own commentary.

As for Dot’s desire to sobriety test people with access to the PM’s office or the Defence Minister’s office, the Ministerial area of Parliament House is all of a piece. Any of the hundreds of people who work there can walk into those offices, although not straight into the Big Boss’ personal office.

Why are they exempt?
Someone is pissed and rolls down the hill to their death who in Parliament faces industrial manslaughter prosecution?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2023 6:04 pm

Billy Bongsmoke gets the rest of the day off with pay.
If he’s got illegal drugs in his system he gets sent to rehab, on full pay, all expenses paid.

Ed.

You are a stock-fish of the highest order.

Robert Sewell
May 18, 2023 6:05 pm

Doc Faustus:

If Choice 3, and somebody does notice the cat piss aroma of XXXX…

Why are people so unkind?

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 6:06 pm

These are just some of the problems that have emerged in the DPP’s professional relationships with others in the criminal justice system.
He said/she said.
Lisa Wilkinson is a hack.
Credibility Zero.

caveman
caveman
May 18, 2023 6:07 pm

Football codes back The Voice!

The two most powerful organisiations in the world today the AFL and NRL, can end teh war in the Ukraine if they really wanted to.

Word up.

+132

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 18, 2023 6:07 pm

So, you think that Winston Churchill should have been sacked because he drank?

I think politicians should not be exempt from the rules and laws that we the ordinary people have to endure every day. Indeed they should be exemplary examples. Animal Farm is a warning, not a manual.

Perhaps if they and their staffers did have to conspicuously do all the things we have to, maybe then they’d be keener not to inflict more of this wretched rubbish onto us.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 6:08 pm

Put the bong down, Lysander.

Robert Sewell
May 18, 2023 6:09 pm

Johanna:

As for Dot’s desire to sobriety test people with access to the PM’s office or the Defence Minister’s office, the Ministerial area of Parliament House is all of a piece. Any of the hundreds of people who work there can walk into those offices, although not straight into the Big Boss’ personal office.

That’s my desire as well. A drug test for all the parliamentary staff and members would be a damned fine thing. The presence and abuse of psychotropes is the only explanation for some of the hare brained ideas coming out of these free range mental institutions lately.

Lysander
Lysander
May 18, 2023 6:09 pm

Wow Munt, sorry Munthard Ed. Amazing argument.

/sarc.

Lysander
Lysander
May 18, 2023 6:11 pm

Bruce, I do recall a time when VicPol were much finer than they are now and put a booze bus outside the gates of Spring St.

Caught a handy few MPs…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 6:11 pm

Industrial safety laws have nothing to do with the doings of MPs and staffers going in and out of Parliament.

Is it a workplace?
Does it have an OH&S responsibility to everyone who accesses it, visitor, worker or contractor?
Because minesites do, under penalty of imprisonment.

Why should the sacred air of Caberaaah negate their responsibilities?

And sure, a company can have no requirement on D&A testing, our insurer “suggested” we do more random tests or face a minor hike in the multi million dollar premiums being already paid.
300% was the increase they thought might be appropriate.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 18, 2023 6:13 pm

Everything you wrote in that statement is incorrect.
No part of it is correct.

Mole, it’s like the highway that never existed that I drove on to Warwick and back last week.
Dover, can you contact Trolls ‘r Us and see if they can send someone better than Ed?

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 6:13 pm

Industrial safety laws have nothing to do with the doings of MPs and staffers going in and out of Parliament.

These requirements have gone well beyond industrial safety.

That’s what people find galling.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 6:15 pm

To some, it might seem fair to allow Drumgold to remain in office until Sofranoff weighs the accusations against him, and assesses his explanations.

There are no accusations against Drumgold.
The subject of the Inquiry is the AFP investigation.

Lysander
Lysander
May 18, 2023 6:18 pm

Now I remember the reason not to engage with Groogles.

Put down the bong, Lysander.

Hardly inspiring or engaging argument Edmunt.

But inspiring enough to leave for the day.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2023 6:19 pm

Aspiring Rapper news (The Hun):

A teenage boy has been stabbed to death at Sunshine train station in front of dozens of shocked commuters.

The Herald Sun has been told the incident happened on Thursday afternoon, with the boy allegedly attacked in the vicinity of dozens of rail-users. A large number of people remained at the scene as police made initial inquiries with witnesses.

Again with this.

One witness claims she saw police arrest a “young boy” while paramedics did CPR on another for a short time.

Remember the narrative, VicJack Inc. ‘There are no gangs.’

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 6:19 pm

Perhaps if they and their staffers did have to conspicuously do all the things we have to, maybe then they’d be keener not to inflict more of this wretched rubbish onto us.

And this is exactly, 100% the point.

Unless they feel the sting of the laws they are happy to inflict on others they have no reason to engage in any moderation at all.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 6:20 pm

Does it have an OH&S responsibility to everyone who accesses it, visitor, worker or contractor?
Because minesites do, under penalty of imprisonment.

The reason Minesites are dangerous places is clowns like you who work there as “Safety Advisors”, but don’t do anything constructive other than covering their own arses and licking the bosses bottoms.

JC
JC
May 18, 2023 6:21 pm

Warwick says:
May 18, 2023 at 5:14 pm

JC, you are entitled to think whatever you like about the security access regime at Parliament House.

Okay, I do.

If you wish, write a letter to your local member expressing your concerns.

WTF would I write a letter to my local? You made some assertions here and I responded to them. Why do you think that what I wrote infers I was going to write a letter? It’s senseless.

The point I made is that security can only follow the protocols they have been given. 1 Does this staff member have 24/7 access? 2. What is the policy regarding access to premises if an I/D card is not presented. It’s not complicated. As long as security followed the process properly – which it appears they did- they are in the clear. End of story.

How do you know security followed protocols? You also suggested above that these critters aren’t greatly compensated. They work for the government so of course they are paid much more than the going rate in the private market.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 18, 2023 6:21 pm

The Sunshine Railway Station, along with most of Sunshine, used to be a shit-pit strewn with discarded picks, junkies, thugs, sawn-offs and boxheads.

They rebuilt the station. The problem is that the same clientele go through it.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 18, 2023 6:21 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
May 18, 2023 at 5:16 pm

Im sure that picture is a direct copy of the photocopy given to blokes in the family law court with the heading “your rights under the law”..

Cheers for the memory spark. I haven’t checked in on Susan for a while. This pertains to a particular county is the USA where the lawyers / attorneys / judges that are adjudicating family law, are c-bombs. Absolute rort going on.

She’ll explain. She is ruthless and knows the game. As per usual, thick dunderhead cops help facilitate it.

Is it the same in Australia?

———–

Susan Bassi:

12 May 2023
This video is about attorneys judges appoint in court to represent children who have committed no crime , but whose parents are involved in a divorce.

Public records obtained from the court show these few favored attorneys are making millions of dollars off appointments as their defense attorney counterparts are capped when appointed in other court matters.

Please support local journalism, cop watchers and anyone reporting on what is really happening in the courts.

Judge Appointed Attorney’s Temper Tantrum>Judge Appointed Attorney’s Temper Tantrum

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 18, 2023 6:23 pm

you who work there as “Safety Advisors”

Not my job title Ed-mong.

Try again spackfilla boy.

Robert Sewell
May 18, 2023 6:24 pm

Johanna:

And just who would be in charge of all this?

(Drug/Alcohol testing)
Winston raises his hand – “Me!!”
And seriously, I’d be a right tyrant at it – If you don’t blow zero, piss off. And if you show the slightest presence of nose candy or any other illegal drug – the illegality of which Parliament has imposed on us – then it would be straight off to the pokey.
When we get tyrants in charge, they cannot complain when that tyranny comes back at them. My patience with Parliaments is at damn near breaking point.

calli
calli
May 18, 2023 6:25 pm

Zulu, my first thought is that the police in attendance weren’t great big burly fellows, therefore the resorting to tasing a frail 95 yo woman.

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 6:30 pm

They rebuilt the station. The problem is that the same clientele go through it.

A bit like Palaszczuk’s cabinet “refresh” (as she’s calling it) today.

Brand spanking new…but the same tired old faces.

.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 18, 2023 6:34 pm
Dot
Dot
May 18, 2023 6:36 pm

Dot’s ridiculous and authoritarian suggestion would make it so.

As for Dot’s desire to sobriety test people with access to the PM’s office or the Defence Minister’s office, the Ministerial area of Parliament House is all of a piece. Any of the hundreds of people who work there can walk into those offices, although not straight into the Big Boss’ personal office.

Dot would have banned Winston Churchill’s staff from his office after lunch, let alone dinner. ?

Actually – I did say – wait for it…

I think it should be a matter for contest regarding for the highest offices regarding state security. The PM, AG, Foreign and MINDEF offices should be off limits to drunk staff. If the departmental heads, Ministers or secretaries are blotto, there’s not much we can do.

Note I never said we go full deep state and start corralling the PM around, because that’s seditious.

Subjective sobriety tests are used for entry to pubs, there is nothing unreasonable in giving a Parliamentary or Ministerial staffer – an employee, someone without Parliamentary privilege, a “come back tomorrow” at 11 PM if they reek of alcohol.

I fail to see how this is “authoritarian” or somehow subverting the democratic will. as a matter of fact I never thought it would be controversial. Imagine some pissed newt thinking they’re going to save Australia with the best white paper ever at 1 AM, absolutely blotto whilst they passively fall victim to phishing emails from 15 Coronation Drive.

There is no way the work experience kid at ASIO gets let in drunk (actually – I don’t know, but I bloody hope that’s the case), those four highest offices staff should be sent home on sick leave if they turn up pissed.

Dot
Dot
May 18, 2023 6:40 pm

Really it’s access to those four Ministerial offices that really matter to me. I couldn’t care less if Sarah Hanson Young’s staffers sit there stoned for days on end. I would not have Xenophon stayed in his office absolutely shitfaced and too paralytic to move.

Dot
Dot
May 18, 2023 6:41 pm

would not have CARED if Xylophone…etc

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2023 6:46 pm

Ed Casesays:
May 18, 2023 at 6:06 pm
These are just some of the problems that have emerged in the DPP’s professional relationships with others in the criminal justice system.
He said/she said.
Lisa Wilkinson is a hack.
Credibility Zero.

You are a sock puppet (commenter of many rapidly changing names).

Credibility Zero.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 18, 2023 6:47 pm

Good laugh.

Danger Dan is doing an equal job with voice overs much like Mark Dice with Brian Stelter.

When nobody likes you. Joe Biden Anthony Albanese

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2023 6:49 pm

On my unofficial tour of the AG’s parliamentary office which may or may not have occurred after an evening possibly leading to intoxication I seem to recall there was nothing of interest anywhere in the office. Including pantiless staffers.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 18, 2023 6:50 pm

Ed Casesays:
May 18, 2023 at 6:20 pm
Does it have an OH&S responsibility to everyone who accesses it, visitor, worker or contractor?
Because minesites do, under penalty of imprisonment.

The reason Minesites are dangerous places is clowns like you who work there as “Safety Advisors”, but don’t do anything constructive other than covering their own arses and licking the bosses bottoms.

Ooooohhhh! Is Grandpa Ed Simpson feeling a little sensitive (as different to feeling a little Knickerless)?

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 18, 2023 6:54 pm

Rita Panahi gives a nice spray:

What happened to Alastair Clarkson should shame the Hawthorn Football Club, the AFL, the ABC and the football media.

Those who have recklessly and viciously defamed Clarkson – and Brisbane Lions coach Chris Fagan and former Hawthorn player development manager Jason Burt – could face stark consequences if the trio exercise their legal rights.

All three have been slandered, based on the flimsiest of evidence, but it was Clarkson who faced the most monstrous, fanciful allegations which were uncritically accepted by the media.

The AFL, along with Hawthorn, could also pay a heavy financial price for the self-created calamity that sees the four-time premiership coach step down from his current role to focus on his “physical and emotional wellbeing”.

From the get-go Clarko and Co were deemed guilty and were not afforded the chance to prove their innocence.

The shoot first, ask questions later approach has endured and Clarkson is said to be particularly aggrieved at being denied the opportunity to present his version of events to investigators.

Deprived of any notion of due process, Clarkson is naturally frustrated and angry.

He has suffered through eight months of hell where he’s watched on helplessly as his good name has been dragged through the mud, all thanks to allegations from anonymous accusers in an obviously flawed, activist report that was leaked to the media.

It should also be noted that the report’s author, Phil Egan, has since been arrested and is expected to be charged on summons for allegedly stealing from a body set up to help indigenous communities.

Egan denies any wrongdoing and is innocent unless proven guilty.

That’s how it’s supposed to be in a civilised nation, but when it came to the former Hawthorn trio, there was no such restraint.

Clarkson’s nightmare began when the report that was compiled without a single non-indigenous person being interviewed was leaked to the ABC, which proceeded to name and shame the accused while protecting the identities of the accusers.

The national broadcaster painted Clarkson as some sort of monster responsible for racist bullying and human rights abuses so egregious it led to two miscarriages and long-term trauma.

The rest of the media weren’t far behind, all eager to outdo each other with reporting that often amounted to race-baiting hyperbole.

Of course it doesn’t help that much of the AFL media has the political sensibilities of an overemotional 14-year-old girl who’s just finished reading The Communist Manifesto.

The media’s insatiable appetite for a big scalp saw opinion masquerading as news and the allegations treated as facts.

Nine’s Caroline Wilson referred to “Hawthorn’s racist past” as she called what were untested, often self-serving allegations “the greatest scandal to engulf the AFL”.

She also reserved special praise for Egan saying “only the unusual mixture of blunt but sensitive questioning undertaken by Egan and his team could have led to this”.

ABC regular Jess McGuire tweeted: “There is simply no way to justify any of Clarkson’s behaviour, it’s like a horror film.”

Opportunistic politicians were also keen to join the pile-on including Greens leader Adam Bandt, who tweeted: “The reports of racist & sexist coercion at Hawthorn are sickening.”

Clarkson is being pressured to take part in what the AFL is calling a mediation process that requires him to submit to a list of demands made by his accusers including private and public apologies, contrition and termination of legal rights.

That’s not mediation in any sense of the word and Clarkson has done well not to be bullied into a flawed process which appears to have a predetermined outcome.

The AFL’s handling of this matter is proving to be almost as shambolic as Hawthorn’s.

The saga was supposed to be wrapped up in 2022 but is still ongoing with Clarkson thus far unable to give his side of the story to the supposedly independent four-person inquiry panel.

Is it any wonder that the injustice of it all has become too much for the North Melbourne coach who stepped down on Thursday for the sake of his health.

There is no return date but the club expects him to return. Kangaroos’ football boss Todd Viney believes he won’t be lost to the game.

“Certainly that’s a possibility … but we feel really confident that he just needs some time to heal and he can take control of the club again and help us get back to contending for silverware,” he said.

Clarkson deserves better than for his legacy to be tainted by this sordid affair.

Razey
Razey
May 18, 2023 7:12 pm

Lock up your kids. Dan Andrews

And people reckon Satan doesn’t exist……

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 18, 2023 7:12 pm

Zulu, my first thought is that the police in attendance weren’t great big burly fellows, therefore the resorting to tasing a frail 95 yo woman.

She’s now described as “fighting for her life” – seems she fell over,and fractured her skull.

Razey
Razey
May 18, 2023 7:16 pm

Dont let it happen. It depends on us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGuKyBimFvM

132andBush
132andBush
May 18, 2023 7:18 pm

The customs of those of us who worked late into the night on other days having a sherbet … oh, well.

After knockoff I’d assume.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2023 7:19 pm

Is it unfair to think Caroline Wilson should be burnt at the stake?

Razey
Razey
May 18, 2023 7:23 pm

Is it unfair to think Caroline Wilson should be burnt at the stake?

Who? I assume it is some kind of lamestream garbage.

Robert Sewell
May 18, 2023 7:30 pm

ZK2A:

She’s now described as “fighting for her life” – seems she fell over,and fractured her skull.

Shit.
Poor old bugger.
As for the rest – The one week rule should be applied.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 18, 2023 7:31 pm

Not sure the following article was posted on these pages, but here tis, Daily Telegraph 2 days ago:

Plans to build new climate friendly community batteries in two Sydney ‘teal’ electorates have backfired after plans were revealed to tear up green space and build the structures within two popular parks.

Angry residents have questioned the “environmental credibility” of an Ausgrid proposal to install new pieces of renewable energy infrastructure in Green Park in Cammeray and Thomas Hogan Reserve in Bondi.

The community batteries are just two of the 400 batteries the Labor Government had pledged to build as part of a $200m pre-election promise last year.

The batteries – capable of soaking up surplus solar energy goodness during the day for release at night – measure about the size of a shipping container and will allow more household solar to be accommodated on the local network.

Ausgrid – which applied for the federal grant to build the batteries – stated locations have been chosen based on factors including “safety and accessibility”.

But the Cammeray proposal has been met with stiff resistance from locals along with North Sydney Council which has called for Ausgrid to abandon the proposal and instead build the battery on private land.

Concerns have also been raised in the Waverley Council area after Ausgrid announced plans to chop down an established tree to place a battery in Thomas Hogan Reserve in Bondi.

Paul Walter – who chairs a Cammeray community group – believes placing the battery in a park was incongruous with the environmental outcomes the project was trying to achieve.

“This would be the worst type of proliferation of infrastructure in our green space. Frankly it’s a terrible idea,” he said.

“It’s like the virtuous environmental outcomes that the battery implies is giving them a green stamp to essentially put the infrastructure anywhere it wants.

“I’m all for green infrastructure but the placement of it needs to be thought about properly.”

Waverley Council – in a draft submission to Ausgrid – stated the battery in Bondi “would negatively impact this location in terms of aesthetics and occupying a level play area”.

“There would also be noise impacts from the proposal as similar sized batteries emit a noise similar in volume to a conversation or, at the louder end, a vacuum cleaner,” the submission stated.

However, Nationals senator Matt Canavan had little sympathy for those fighting against the batteries, both located in federal electorates won by teal independents Kylea Tink and Allegra Spender at the last election. (Cassie, get in here!)

“It is just too bad we can’t fund the rich, consumer goods heavy lifestyles of inner city greenies with hypocrisy, because there is an endless supply of it,” he said.

“If they can’t cop a battery in a park in their suburbs, why the hell should people in the bush have to cop a wind turbine destroying the pristine wilderness of a rural hilltop?”

“The bush is sick of being used as a dumping ground for the moral guilt of urban elites.

Ms Tink was unavailable for comment on Monday but in a social media post earlier this month wrote: “I’m so pleased that Cammeray is getting a community battery”. In the same post, Ms Tink noted “many people have reached out with concerns regarding the location”.

Ausgrid confirmed the batteries would measure about 2m tall, 4m long and 2m wide.

The battery in Cammeray would support solar input from about 150 homes in the area and is proposed to be wrapped with First Nations artwork that Ausgrid stated would “reflect the rich heritage of the area”.

In a statement, an Ausgrid spokeswoman said the company was still seeking feedback about the final location of the batteries.

“This feedback will be used to inform further planning and we will continue to assess this and alternative locations,” she said.

North Sydney Mayor Zoe Baker has written to Ausgrid along with Minister for Climate Change and Energy Chris Bowen “urging” the energy infrastructure to be located elsewhere.

“The community battery is something embraced by the council and the community but it can’t be a zero sum game,” she said. (WTF does that mean?)

FMD

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 7:32 pm

Clarkson deserves better than for his legacy to be tainted by this sordid affair.

I have no idea what Carkson’s legacy is or whether it entitles him to anything, but I hope he pursues action that makes it clear to sports administrators, and the various hangers on connected to professional sports, that they are not empowered to bypass due process.

Jumped up little Hitlers.

Rabz
May 18, 2023 7:35 pm

Rita – here’s a little hint, sweetie, even though I largely love your work – having guests on your show such as those moral and ethical vacuums the Beetrooter and Gen Buck Keane (Retd) of the Henry Kissinger Peace Academy is not working any wonders for your credibility.

Perhaps you could have a word in the shell like of those editorial imbeciles at Sky. I’m sure Crudlin and Shazza would be only too happy to have the above pair of jokes on their shows instead.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 18, 2023 7:42 pm

I have no idea what Carkson’s legacy is or whether it entitles him to anything, but I hope he pursues action that makes it clear to sports administrators, and the various hangers on connected to professional sports, that they are not empowered to bypass due process.

Clarkson is entitled to a presumption of innocence like every bloke and lady. As you well know sir.
Annnd go to put the NRL on, treated to some Aboriginal presentation due to black fella round. Of course shilling for Teh Voice. Click!

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 18, 2023 7:45 pm

Yep, if you know anyone that was jabbed and is suffering problems of “long covid”, get them on 2mg of nicotine gum or patches, pronto!

Yet to see and a worthy rebuttal on the subject. Funny that. Unless all the those labs around the world were making sh*t up. Not likely.

I found a short version.
_______

Doc Ardis.

Dr. ‘Bryan Ardis’ & ‘Laura-Lynn’ S.I.D.S ‘Sudden Infant Death Syndrome’ Snake Venom & Covid Vaccines

Vaccines are safe, they are all safe! Yeah nah. Autism is just a blip.

Offer up those who say otherwise. Let’s do some digging.

Go!

Roger
Roger
May 18, 2023 7:50 pm

Annnd go to put the NRL on, treated to some Aboriginal presentation due to black fella round. Of course shilling for Teh Voice. Click!

The NRL is dead to me, BB.

As is Rugby Australia.

Such a shame.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 18, 2023 7:52 pm

Stupidity is strong today. Daily Telegraph with James Morrow:

Prime Minster Anthony Albanese has been warned that Australia’s national security will be at risk if the nation continues to put more intermittent wind and solar power into the grid while ignoring low carbon, “always-on” technologies like nuclear power.

In a letter to Mr Albanese seen by The Daily Telegraph, former ANSTO (Australian Nuclear Science and Tecnology Organosation) CEO Dr Adi Paterson also calls on the prime minister to appoint defence chief Angus Campbell to review the government’s energy plans due to the risk that “terrorists and adversaries” will take advantage of the planned grid’s lack of “resilience and robustness”.

“Massive grid extension, the predominance of solar and wind generation, and the prospects of extensive use of batteries has significant known risks,” Dr Paterson writes.

“The resilience and protection of critical infrastructure in a time of conflict will be much diminished.”

As a result, he says, “terrorists and adversaries will have greatly-enhanced opportunities for electric power disruptions and consequential loss of freshwater supply, sewage treatment, urban and regional transport, secure hospital and emergency services power and failed industries.”

Dr Paterson’s letter also warns that while “firm, low carbon dispatchable power” is the future, “overbuild of weather and daylight-dependent power generation (wind and solar) make our electricity transmission weak, brittle, vulnerable and insecure in every sense.”

According to Dr Paterson, both Liberal and Labor governments have failed to learn the lessons of countries like Germany, where a failed energy transition led the country to shut down its nuclear power plants only to have to restart coal fired generators.

“Today German electricity supply, as it reinvests in brown coal, frequently has similar CO2-intensity to NSW. South Australia, when the wind drops overnight and into winter mornings, is no different.

“This failed low-carbon pathway is imperilling Australian industry and undermining the economy.“

“Will we learn from the German intransigence that has damaged energy and security settings from Central and Eastern Europe to Central Asia? The consequential effects are global.”

However, Dr Paterson says there is a way through.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 18, 2023 7:54 pm

Rugby Australia’s record of success rivals Lord Waffleworth.

Cassie of Sydney
May 18, 2023 7:55 pm

“As is Rugby Australia.”

Agree…but as calli and I discussed this morning, support club rugby (who’ve been financially strangled by RA over the last decade), my nephews do.

Entropy
Entropy
May 18, 2023 7:55 pm

Nine’s Caroline Wilson referred to “Hawthorn’s racist past” as she called what were untested, often self-serving allegations “the greatest scandal to engulf the AFL”.

I guess she couldn’t call it the blackest day in sport eh?

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 18, 2023 7:56 pm

The Mayblooms were the last side to give Indigenous players a game and if you looked at their contribution to team morale, you’d say they mighta been better off staying a Jim Crow team.

Dot
Dot
May 18, 2023 7:57 pm

Skip to

Starbucks BLASTED For New Insane Woke Ad! Massive Customer Backlash For Going Full Bud Light!
The Quartering 17/05/2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJUTqGcIorg

No Sports Illustrated, No Bud Light. No Miller Lite. No Jack Daniels. No Hershey’s. No Nike. No Disney. No Maybelline. No Target. No Lego. No Goodyear. No Hallmark. No Monsanto. No Gillette. No Skittles. No M&M&M. No Dove. No L’oreal. No Ultra Beauty. No Bed Bath and Beyond. No Kohl’s No Balenziaga. NO HK Firearms. No Coke. No Burger King. No Crocs. No CVS The list goes on.

It’s not M&M’s.. it’s Mars foods. And they own: M&M’s, Snickers, Dove, Mars, Wrigley’s, Orbit, Masterfoods, Extra, Uncle Ben’s, Raris, Whistle, Pamesello, Seeds of Change, TastyBite, Pedigree, Whiskas, Royal Canin, Gomo, Cocoavia, Double mint, and TWIX brand names.

https://www.newsweek.com/starbucks-india-transgender-ad-backlash-bud-light-1800324

Starbucks (India) Accused of ‘Going Full Bud Light’ as Backlash Grows Over New Ad

While the father was depicted as struggling with his daughter’s transition, he got up to order beverages. The clip ended with the barista announcing that the drink order was ready for “Arpita,” the female equivalent of their child’s pre-transition name, indicating that he was accepting his daughter for who she is.

“For me, you are still my kid. Only a letter has been added to your name,” he said, reaching out to clasp his smiling daughter’s hand.

“Your name defines who you are—whether it’s Arpit or Arpita,” read Starbucks India’s caption. “At Starbucks, we love and accept you for who you are. Because being yourself means everything to us. #ItStartsWithYourName.”

Indians:

“Western capitalism will only export these ideas where they are receptive,” they wrote. “Starbucks in Saudi, UAE and Qatar have been around for much longer than India. Yet you will never see them place such ads there.”

“Alright India here’s your chance to resist properly,” said Indian internet personality Nuance Bro. “Let’s see if [Indian Prime Minister Narendra] Modi is truly the right wing dictator the West claims he is. Don’t let this programming gain a foothold.”

“No @StarbucksIndia, it does NOT start with the name. If it did, you would have showed an ad where Asif becomes Asifa or John turning into a Jane. But you don’t have the guts to do that, because your ad guys want their head attached to their neck! So you give gyan only to Hindus!”

“Instead of going to @StarbucksIndia and having a woke doused cappuccino, go to the local hotel and have a good filter coffee,” they tweeted. “Encourage local. It tastes much much better and goes well on your pocket too!”

Robert Sewell
May 18, 2023 7:58 pm

AEMO: 1956 18/05/2023
Hydrocarbins are supplying 81% of the power supply.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 18, 2023 8:00 pm

The Mayblooms were the last side to give Indigenous players a game and if you looked at their contribution to team morale, you’d say they mighta been better off staying a Jim Crow team.

The racist speaketh. Gawd almighty what tosh.

Rabz
May 18, 2023 8:01 pm

Well, my comment above has aged well. No Rita filling in for blot next week, but that hideously uglee nonentity Steve Price instead.

Grate work, Sky.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 18, 2023 8:02 pm

Dr F at 3:52.
A fair summary.
I worked for a large ASX listed company in a couple of stints over the last twenty years.
A lot of our employees worked in environments where mistakes will make the 6 o’clock news, and you didn’t want anyone pissed, hungover or on the juice.
It was decided that we should have a one in-all in policy on D&A testing.
So everyone, including corporate office, was subjected to random testing and it was accepted as the norm.
I had no problem with it.
If I blow 0.03 at 8:30 on a Wednesday morning it might be time to visit the Hall of Mirrors anyway.

Dot
Dot
May 18, 2023 8:06 pm

Butt Light now uses military camo theme and 9/11 charity … seriously!

Bud Light SLAMMED For Offensive Veterans Camo Campaign, REFUSES To Apologize For Dylan Mulvaney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vbx2CxkVYw

As a veteran, I’m all for it. We all know camouflage helps things disappear. This is a genius tactic for bud light finally deleting itself from public consciousness LOL

Tim Pool notes that damage control is full spectrum; pundits claiming “the backlash is over”.

No, your brand is over.

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