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JC
JC
February 9, 2024 4:01 pm

Contradicted?

It appears Gummi is correct in that they’re “eastward expansion” relates to East Germany. Where are they talking about other countries such as the Baltics being precluded to join.

NATO sans massive involvement of the US couldn’t do shit. The Brits had to recall one of their carriers from an exercise because it broke down and they recently removed one of new ships from the Red Sea because…reasons.

What’s that have to do with the price of free range eggs? The fact is that Russia attacked Ukraine in the correct belief that NATO troops wouldn’t be used. Therefore NATO was never a threat to Russia. This is something you appear to skirt over, without giving it due recognition.

No, Putin like any leader in any sober, serious country doesn’t want the global hegemon parked on its door step. That is what you find intolerable; that anyone should look the US in the face and tell it to pound sand.

That’s just being ridiculous. Numerous countries that joined NATO have direct borders with Russia. Ukraine is a threat to Putin’s governing system, it’s not a military security threat in the least.

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 9, 2024 4:03 pm

Imagine if the old Catallaxy blog had down ticks. Would love a dollar for every one Bob Numbers would have scored. LOL. Keep the ticks Dover. They wouldn’t be slowing the blog.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
February 9, 2024 4:04 pm

Lizzie,
Just in case you missed it Dover has already said ticks are history so no need to keep going on about special treatment for you.

Damienski
Damienski
February 9, 2024 4:06 pm

Woof. The Hendo Express is on time.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 9, 2024 4:07 pm

The $20 billion isn’t “raised”. It already exists and the proposal is to steal it from the people who have it and give it to the government.
The proposal has come from ANU, so that explains it.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 4:07 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Feb 9, 2024 3:52 PM

There seems to be quite some support for the ability to provide an uptick.
Downticks seem to be saddled with;
1) a couple of people who take a single downtick to heart, or
2) a couple of sensitive souls for whom an unjustified obvious avalanche of one-off downticks is a crushing blow, and
3) a couple of triggered snowflakes whose ego cannot cope with a long-term aggregate high number of downticks.

Normal people get on with life.

Says the pos talking about a ham sandwiches, informing the blog he’s labor royalty, spamming the site with pubbling when he doesn’t, and has never owned a pub, getting involved in other people’s stoushes. Giving “expert” advice to the current blog owner on running a blog when his own accumulated 279 comments in 15 years, telling the blog he fired a person because he burned the toast, continual outback spamming.

Yeah, people get a life and what a life it is too.

Pogria
Pogria
February 9, 2024 4:10 pm

Where is the chlamydia ford article? Does anyone have a link?

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 4:10 pm

LOL. Knowing the history of your country is not obsession or backward-looking or grievance central. It’s actually a sign of a healthy respect for and love of your country, nation, or people and I would love to live in a country where the PM had a grounding in our history and was intricately aware of political/social/ economic issues circumstances of early Federation let alone colonial politics.

We live in the current, not WTF happened in 1631 as though that has some pertinent meaning to the discussion of why he fears the the US (grounded of course). History certainly has its place, distant history to explain an invasion is bullshit.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 9, 2024 4:11 pm

Antone have the full biden spit the dummy link?
Ive only seen the waffle about Mexico.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 9, 2024 4:12 pm

Walter Kirn
@walterkirn

The WH press corps got the signal tonight that it was safe to go into attack mode & make up for lost time. It duly obeyed. Reporters who once competed to throw softballs suddenly competed to hurl stones. What a weird little mob of robots. It was actually chilling to witness.

As usual Walter Kirn gives the most clear & concise take.

Rabz
February 9, 2024 4:13 pm

who knows – peace might break out

Thanks Load, for your observations. I still remember el Trumpo very clearly stating he had told the Pute that if the latter were to attack certain countries, “those coloured domes in Moscow would be incinerated”.

By the way, I have no problem with Tucker going to Moscow to interview the Pute, someone needed to do it. Good thing it was the most high profile journalist on the planet. Oh – and congrats again, Fox, for sacking Tucker, you hapless idiots.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 4:14 pm

Says the pos talking about a ham sandwiches, informing the blog he’s labor royalty, spamming the site with pubbling when he doesn’t, and has never owned a pub, getting involved in other people’s stoushes. Giving “expert” advice to the current blog owner on running a blog when his own accumulated 279 comments in 15 years, telling the blog he fired a person because he burned the toast, continual outback spamming.

Wow,,, trigggggggered, like a teenage girl.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 9, 2024 4:16 pm

Full Biden press conference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSckeFQ3zsA

Paraphrasing Anderson Cooper on CNN, he could be accused of cherry picking the findings of the report.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 4:21 pm

fck off, you pathetic bush pig. Lying for 20 years when it was the criminal looking rough head who owned it.

shatterzzz
February 9, 2024 4:21 pm

Also, more controversial, require those with 2+ investment units to house peoples at a standard rate adjusted for inflation.

Good luck with that one .. I can just imagine the troughers (most of whom seem to have 2+ properties) voting to cut their profit-making margins .. LOL!

Cassie of Sydney
February 9, 2024 4:24 pm

“WTF, just read about the doxxing of Jewish people by Clem Ford and others. Outrageous to say the least.”

It continues. Just like a frenzied, frothing, and hate filled mob of mainly Muslims and some leftists on Monday night 9 October 2023, on the steps of the Sydney Opera House, danced around a burning Israeli flag, set of flares and screamed and screeched “kill the Jews”, “gas the Jews” (I still maintain those words were said) and perhaps the most sinister…….”where’s the Jews”. I remember that Monday night, I witnessed the ugliness at Town Hall (where it started), and then was told by NSW Police that Sydney’s CBD was ‘Judenfrei”. As the Mocker writes in his superb piece in today’s Oz, “perhaps the mob was they screaming “where’s the Jews” to buy them gelato”?

I think not.

Just like the Muslim and leftist protest in the Jewish suburb of Caulfield, on the Sabbath, in front of a synagogue, a protest deliberately designed to threaten and intimidate Caulfield’s Jews. Or perhaps those Muslims and leftists went to Caulfield to wish the Jews a Shabbat Shalom?

I think not.

Just like the mainly Muslim and leftist convoy, on a Saturday evening, drove (with a NSWaffen police escort) all the way from Sydney’s western suburbs to Sydney’s eastern suburbs, where it just so happens more than a few Jews live, again designed to threaten and intimidate Sydney’s Jews. Or perhaps this convey was travelling to Sydney’s eastern suburbs to wish the Jews a “shavua tov”.

I think not.

I could go on, don’t forget those ugly scenes in Melbourne when grieving Israeli families at a Melbourne hotel and were subjected to a mob of screaming and screeching Muslim and leftist activists who invaded the hotel. Or perhaps the mob was there to wish the Israelis a happy holiday?

I think not.

Despite the explosion of Jew hatred in this country and across the West, I’m one tough Jew, and this Jew is not for turning. But I will and I do weep for this country, because it isn’t the country I grew up in. I remember the days when synagogues, Jewish schools and Jewish communal organisations, hospitals and aged care homes did not require massive security like they do now. Yes, there was anti-Semitism in Australian in the 1970s, 1960s and earlier but it wasn’t like the unhinged genocidal Jew hatred we are witnessing now. So, what has caused the change? Well, I’ll leave that question for you all to ponder.

Deadly attacks on Jews always follows the same inevitable deadly path, first verbal and physical insults, unhinged rhetoric, intimidation, stalking, doxxing and the last? Jews are murdered.

Just further to Chlamydia Ford, Jack the Insider has given her a thorough smacking down in a piece put up on the Oz website this afternoon. Worth reading.

Am Yisrael Chai.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 9, 2024 4:26 pm

Barnaby.
Oh my.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 9, 2024 4:28 pm

Biden’s handlers got their work cut out for them today. No time to work on the Wookie’s campaign.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 4:30 pm

Somebody asked about the Chlamydia Ford piece?

Leak, doxxing of almost 600 Jewish creatives ‘very distressing… with really serious consequences’

By alexi demetriadi
NSW Political Reporter
11:36AM February 9, 2024
135 Comments

Federal Labor MP Josh Burns has called the doxing of hundreds of Jewish creatives in a private WhatsApp group “very distressing”, warning it could result in “really serious consequences”.

On Thursday, high-profile pro-Palestine activists, including feminist author Clementine Ford, began sharing on social media a link to a spreadsheet that had leaked the names, occupations and social media profiles of almost 600 Jewish creatives purportedly from the WhatsApp group.

A second, new link to the document has since been removed by the administrators of the web page where it had been posted, citing a breach of privacy and harassment. It had included a spreadsheet with links to social media accounts and a separate file with a photo gallery of more than 100 Jewish people.

On Friday, Mr Burns slammed the move. “It’s very distressing, and it’s a trend where we’ve seen people using large social media platforms to try and target Jewish people in Australia,” the Macnamara MP said.

Mr Burns is Jewish and the inner-Melbourne seat of Macnamara has one of the highest Jewish populations in Australia.

He warned against targeting and vilifying Jewish people, making a distinction that it wasn’t permissible criticism, or targeting, of the Israeli government.

“You are targeting your fellow Australians, and all Australians should be able to live their lives respectfully and free from intimidation and free from the … really ugly vilification that was seen against Jewish community members,” the MP said.

“This has resulted in really serious consequences … where people have received death threats.”

The MP said he had been in touch with a family whose details were released and had gone into hiding. He said that the move had “shaken them (the people doxed) to their very core”.

“They’re receiving an avalanche of threats, and they basically had to switch off their devices and not go into their places of work, and go into a place that wasn’t their usual home,” he said.

“They were completely shattered by this whole experience.”

Executive Council of Australian Jewry co-chief executive Alex Ryvchin said he was “in shock… disbelief” that “people are once again drawing up lists of Jews”.

“It has been said to me by numerous community members that they feel relief that their parents or grandparents who survived the Holocaust are not alive to see this,” he said.

Mr Ryvchin called the move and tactics “Nazi-like”.

“Our community members who were motivated to speak up by the October 7 attacks and historic levels of local anti-Semitism should be proud and we stand with them in unity and solidarity,” he said.

“We call on our fellow Australians to resist the harassment and bullying, and when asked to sack or blacklist Australian Jews, to say not in our time and not in our country.”

Victorian Police said it was investigating the incident.

grumpy
grumpy
February 9, 2024 4:30 pm
Zippster
Zippster
February 9, 2024 4:33 pm

You know, this is fcking tragic. Russian/Ukrainians are European people. They should both be part of NATO and the EU.

the current administration makes incompetents look competent.

the west has been swept with a marxist disease, it’s not that its failing, it’s already fallen

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 4:33 pm

This is what happens when a Government is dependent on the Mooslime vote, in certain inner city seats.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 4:36 pm

I see you are just doubling down. Did you read down to

So, both Kohl and Gorby are lying then? Direct quotes from these two and they’re lying?

You said that NATO could easily deal with Russia. I countered with, Not without a massive commitment from the US. Sans the US none of those countries could manage an offensive against Russia because they can barely even undertake a policing action. Re this thing I’m skirting over, no. NATO troops would not be used directly because Russia intervened before Ukraine was a member of NATO but I think they understood that NATO resources; whether they understood how NATO resources would be involved I don’t know.

The point, which I’ve explained twice, is that if there ever was a time for direct NATO intervention it would be now. But Russian nuclear deterrence has obviously prevented that and therefore the notion of Russian security that Putin is talking about is bullshit.

None of those countries is the size of Ukraine, has the material resources of Ukraine, or sits geographically in a position that poses a strategic threat to Russia.

Good, so now we’re getting somewhere by admitting Putin wanted Ukraine for Russian strategic purposes. The history lesson is nonsense then. And yet, with all those strategic resources in the Ukraine, NATO boots are not on the ground.

That you ignore this by imagining its simply about Putin, and that no other Russian leader thinks that Ukraine in NATO is a strategic threat to Russia is beyond ridiculous.

I’m not ignoring anything. Putin is currently the president and that’s who we’re talking about.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 4:36 pm

Hey, Chlamydia, why don’t you just demand they wear yellow stars instead?

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 9, 2024 4:38 pm

Walter Kirn
@walterkirn

Now we have to endure the fake drama of “anonymous White House insiders” confessing they noticed signs of Biden’s decline “in the last few months” but “hoped it was temporary”

The worst screenwriters in the business are hard at work now

Or maybe it was all written in advance

I just love the way Kirn writes.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 9, 2024 4:39 pm

feelthebern

Thanks, the monkeyglands wore off once he went off script.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 9, 2024 4:42 pm

Nice company Chalmidia keeps..

https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9780691188355-005/html
First, during its rise to power in the 1920sthe Nazi movement adeptly exploited artistic and cultural issues to un-derscore its own Germanic authenticity, to undermine the legitimacy ofthe allegedly “degenerate” Weimar Republic, and to stigmatize Jews,Communists, Social Democrats, and others as culturally “alien.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 9, 2024 4:45 pm

It’s fun that Joe was totally with it and doing awesome diplomacy about a week ago, yet now he’s suddenly senile.

I wonder when Jill’s dirt files start making an appearance? After fifty years in the Dem swamp those files must be pretty extensive. Especially since for all the Joe-is-gaga stuff he’s still the only realistic candidate in the Dem primaries.

Ok they’re Joe’s dirt files not Jill’s, but we all know who is running this show. Some interesting stuff is festering under the sticky surface. I wonder when it will explode outwards?

JMH
JMH
February 9, 2024 4:46 pm

feelthebern
Feb 9, 2024 4:26 PM

Barnaby.
Oh my.

Fell off a plant pot onto the footpath. I suspect the Barn has a bit of a drinking problem. Not a good look at all.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 4:46 pm

fck off, you pathetic bush pig. Lying for 20 years when it was the criminal looking rough head who owned it.

Trigggggered x 100.
Foul language – lies – ahistorical falsehoods.
Someone is losing their cool.

Grow up.

Vicki
Vicki
February 9, 2024 4:47 pm

They can legitimately depict him as gay. And openly so. Not a big shock – Alexander was a fan of Athens and Athenian society viewed homosexuality as a higher form of attachment: lots of youths canoodling in the shadow of pending battle, and lots of corpulent men lolling about at banquets fondling their calamities so they can’t even pour their wine straight – for this last part just read Plato. (Plato would laugh at what we now call ‘platonic’ love.)

Alexander was devoted to his boyhood friend, Hephaestion. They were together throughout the tumultuous years in the ME -all captured in the fabulous sarcophagus in the museum in Istanbul, where they are depicted both hunting & in warfare together against the Persians. He was said to be distraught when Hephaestion died of some sort of infectious disease in their last years in Persia. Thinking Hephaestion may have been poisoned by a local, he is said to have had the entire local community killed. I doubt if he ever got over the loss of him & he himself died not that long after.

Whether it was a homosexual relationship – who knows, who cares? In the Getty museum in Los Angeles (the one modelled on a Roman villa) there are two busts of Alexander and Hephaestion displayed together. I am a romantic – when I see this, & the magnificent carving of them both on the sarcophagus (said to have been made for Alexander) I think to myself – there they are, together forever.

Cassie of Sydney
February 9, 2024 4:50 pm

“You know, this is fcking tragic. Russian/Ukrainians are European people. They should both be part of NATO and the EU.”

Correct….and this is what commentators like Peter Hitchens have argued for decades.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 the West should have set up a Marshall type plan. Instead they did nothing.

We are reaping what we didn’t sow.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 9, 2024 4:51 pm

Trump running his mouth at the Nevada gig.
Shut up man.
Silence is golden.
Especially on days like today.

Vicki
Vicki
February 9, 2024 4:54 pm

Knowing the history of your country is not obsession or backward-looking or grievance central. It’s actually a sign of a healthy respect for and love of your country, nation, or people and I would love to live in a country where the PM had a grounding in our history and was intricately aware of political/social/ economic issues circumstances of early Federation let alone colonial politics.

Amen to thank, Dover!

Vicki
Vicki
February 9, 2024 4:55 pm

Knowing the history of your country is not obsession or backward-looking or grievance central. It’s actually a sign of a healthy respect for and love of your country, nation, or people and I would love to live in a country where the PM had a grounding in our history and was intricately aware of political/social/ economic issues circumstances of early Federation let alone colonial politics.

Amen to that, Dover!

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 9, 2024 4:57 pm

The Beetrooter does quite a good Andrew O’Keefe impression.

cohenite
February 9, 2024 4:57 pm

Trump running his mouth at the Nevada gig.
Shut up man.
Silence is golden.
Especially on days like today.

Nope; give it to the bastards hard and continuously.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 9, 2024 4:58 pm

Got a lot of thoughts on the Putin interview.
But it looks like Putin is not comfortable.
Maybe he has indigestion.

calli
calli
February 9, 2024 4:58 pm

Someone here really hates Narnia references.

Deeper magic from before the dawn of time.

Funny, I was thinking about The Horse and His Boy earlier today, and the way we are nudged along the brink of the precipice.

cohenite
February 9, 2024 4:59 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
February 9, 2024 5:00 pm

Nope; give it to the bastards hard and continuously.

Agreed. Make them own that degenerate.

Vicki
Vicki
February 9, 2024 5:00 pm

Husband and I treated ourselves to a lunch in vineyard near local town (after working like navies yesterday) – so I missed the Great Stouch of the Ladies this morning, followed by the Great Up/Down Ticking debate.

For what it is worth (probably not much!) I think it goes without saying that people judge you by what you put in your post. Think about it. A lot. It may save a lot of angst.

The up/down tickers? I don’t know – its up to Dover. They are supposed to indicate the strength of the argument – but personal assessments probably get in the way.

Does it matter?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 5:01 pm

Fell off a plant pot onto the footpath. I suspect the Barn has a bit of a drinking problem. Not a good look at all.

“Tired and emotional” as a newt.

H/T “Yes Minister.”

Pogria
Pogria
February 9, 2024 5:01 pm

Zulu,
thank you for the article.
My first thought was, “someone should dox Chlamydia”. I realised though, if that were to happen, not one human would, of their own volition, place themselves downwind of that mobile sewage works.
Whenever I read mention of her name, or accidently view a mugshot of her, the only word that immediately comes to mind is “crust”.
Readers here over forty will know what I mean.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 9, 2024 5:01 pm

Heres how the interview will be covered by the ABC..

comment image

or

https://imgflip.com/i/8f80lh

MatrixTransform
February 9, 2024 5:02 pm

complaints from many both on and off blog that have now become tiresome

I wonder who does the repeated moaning?

/rhetorical off

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:02 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Feb 9, 2024 4:46 PM

fck off, you pathetic bush pig. Lying for 20 years when it was the criminal looking rough head who owned it.

Trigggggered x 100.
Foul language – lies – ahistorical falsehoods.
Someone is losing their cool.

Grow up.

Tsk tsk

Couldn’t run a blog for quits and now wanted to control this one with false ticking, giving the owner unwanted advice with concerned trolling, and trying to lord it over folks.
Mud island loser.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:03 pm

I wonder who does the repeated moaning?

You were Trans. Night after night complaining the blog was up to your lofty standards.. and Hegel’s.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 9, 2024 5:04 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican

Feb 9, 2024 3:56 PM

Sancho@ 3.40 PM has provided sane advice:
Sans up/down ticks, we simply return to “Calli@ 11.59 PM +1? or Calli@ 11.59 PM -1”

Only in a small minority of cases of those now furiously downticking, because:-
1. Many actually have nothing to say;
2. They will have to out themselves as agreeing or opposing a position; and
3. Because of the gaming of ticks, the twenty downticks would convert to one comment. Maybe.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 9, 2024 5:06 pm

feelthebern

Feb 9, 2024 4:12 PM

Walter Kirn
@walterkirn

The WH press corps got the signal tonight that it was safe to go into attack mode & make up for lost time. It duly obeyed. Reporters who once competed to throw softballs suddenly competed to hurl stones. What a weird little mob of robots. It was actually chilling to witness.

The word is out.
The Sniffer-in-Chief is toast.
That sound you hear is chains being unclipped from dog collars.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 5:10 pm

Vicki Feb 9, 2024 5:00 PM
Husband and I treated ourselves to a lunch in vineyard near local town (after working like navies yesterday) – so I missed the Great Stouch of the Ladies this morning, followed by the Great Up/Down Ticking debate.

Consider yourself almost downticked, for misspelling of “navvies” 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 5:13 pm

Zulu,
thank you for the article.

My pleasure, Pogria.

Dot
Dot
February 9, 2024 5:14 pm

Nope, don’t go too hard.

Trump v Biden is the way.

MatrixTransform
February 9, 2024 5:14 pm

and now wanted to control this one with false ticking

of those now furiously downticking, because

what, the moaning that began with a certain few people and is still continuing now … with the same people?

… that sort of moaning?

banishing ticks won’t change a thing here

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:15 pm

Good comment, by the Gork.

Sebastian Gorka DrG
@SebGorka
First hard question from Tucker:

“If you know America blew up the Nordstream pipeline, why not show the world the evidence and win a propaganda coup?”

Putin:

“America is much better at Propaganda than we are.”

Riiight Vlad.

From the country that killed 8 million Ukrainian in the Holomodor and 21,000 Poles in Katyn Forest in one day, and then blamed the Nazis. For 49 years.

Dot
Dot
February 9, 2024 5:15 pm

Have these greenies ever noticed that trees can grow from seedlings or suckers in place of or from what was cut down?

Trees are a R E N E W A B L E resource.

Here endeth the lesson, retards.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 5:17 pm

Couldn’t run a blog for quits and now wanted to control this one with false ticking, giving the owner unwanted advice with concerned trolling, and trying to lord it over folks.
Mud island loser.

I don’t even know what any of this gibberish means.
Likely nobody else does either.

Except for: Triggerrrrrrrrred more than an entire netball team of emotional junior high school girls.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:18 pm
JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:21 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Feb 9, 2024 5:17 PM

I don’t even know what any of this gibberish means.
Likely nobody else does either.

Except for: Triggerrrrrrrrred more than an entire netball team of emotional junior high school girls.

I have no idea what his gibberish reply means. Possibly no one else does either.

I think he means, he has nothing to do and is basically trolling for attention.

Tsk tsk.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 5:23 pm

How Australian Crawl went from endless summer to endless conflict

By Barry Divola
February 7, 2024

Listen to this article
6 min

For an almost mythical snapshot of early ’80s Australian beach culture and the promise of an endless youthful summer, rewatch the music video for Australian Crawl’s 1981 hit Errol.

The band members, all tanned and lithe and grinning from ear to ear, run along the beach on the Gold Coast, catch glassy waves, water-ski, plummet down water slides and frolic in a jacuzzi, guzzling champagne with beautiful women. They look like a gang of mates having the time of their lives.

And that’s pretty much what they were. They met as schoolboys at Peninsula Grammar in Victoria, all keen sportsmen who were on the swim team. They formed a band almost as a lark, but rose to fame quickly through relentless gigging and enduring songs such as The Boys Light Up, Beautiful People and Downhearted from their 1980 debut album.

By the time Errol was released as the first single of follow-up album Sirocco – which became the second best-selling album in Australia in 1981, behind John Lennon’s Double Fantasy and ahead of AC/DC’s Back In Black – they were among the biggest bands in the country.

But that dream run was about to end. Within four years, singer-songwriter-guitarist Guy McDonough, who had battled alcohol and heroin addiction, was dead at the age of 28 from a viral infection; one by one, band members were sacked or left as the band changed direction and tried to make it in the US; and the whole thing ended with a 1985 album that was a creative and commercial flop – yet they had to undertake a tour to pay off the $400,000 debt they’d accrued recording it.

A decade later, when they were inducted into the ARIA Hall Of Fame in 1996, guitarist/keyboardist Brad Robinson was unable to attend because he was nearing the end of a three-year battle with lymphoma. He died two weeks later aged 38.

Drummer Bill McDonough, Guy’s older brother, wasn’t at the induction either – because he wasn’t invited. He writes about it in his memoir Sons of Beaches, published in November. The snub obviously still stings today.

“I couldn’t believe it,” he says. “To not invite me and not have me there to represent Guy and myself, with all we did with regard to the band … well, it was just terrible.”

So, what happened to those guys in the Errol video, who looked like they were on top of the world?

“We were all really close,” says former lead singer James Reyne, whose tour celebrating the 40th anniversary of the band’s compilation album Crawl File reaches Sydney this week. “And I know it’s a cliche, but in a band you’re like brothers, so you have your fights, and you have your moments, and you get over them. But then things change. So, yes, there was a point when Bill was asked to leave the band. It was a band decision and a majority vote.”

“I’m aware he’s written a book, but I haven’t read it, so I don’t know if he dwells on that. And I’m not going to diss Bill. I mean, obviously if you’re asked to leave a band, you’re not going to be happy about it. I understand that. But it was so long ago. The band finished in 1986. I’m 66 years old, and I’ve had a 38-year solo career since then.”

McDonough’s book is largely about his relationship with his brother Guy. But of course, Australian Crawl formed a big part of that relationship. And it’s obvious from talking to McDonough that he wishes things had panned out differently.

“I’ve been extremely careful in the book to be respectful to people in the band,” he says. “I haven’t gone for the backstabbing reveal or tried to settle old scores. But if you read between the lines, you can gather that as fame and fortune came upon us, the egos of certain members of the band got out of control and we lost that brotherhood. That’s when things got ugly and fell apart.”

There are now two Australian Crawl camps, who deal with each other only through their managers when it comes to business decisions. The final sad part of the story is lead guitarist Simon Binks, who suffered a brain injury following a car crash in 1995 after drinking. He went on to almost scupper a million-dollar deal the band was making with Universal Music by doing an ill-advised interview with A Current Affair in 2014, where he lamented his lack of songwriting credits, vilifying Reyne in the process.

Credit:

Reyne and McDonough own homes only a few kilometres from each other on Mornington Peninsula, but haven’t spoken since Robinson’s funeral in 1996. The irony is that both men, when asked for their memories of the band, have similar stories to tell about how much they loved being in Australian Crawl.

“There were long periods of complete togetherness,” says Reyne. “We were a big party band and we’d go out and have a great time together. We’d crack up at all our in-jokes and I just remember a lot of laughter.”

“I still have dreams about being in Australian Crawl,” says McDonough.

“Some are sad, but most of them are happy, and they’re the ones I prefer to remember, the ones where we’re all Peninsula Grammar mates who somehow became rock stars.”

For so many people growing up in the ’80s, Australian Crawl songs were the soundtrack of the era. How do Reyne and McDonough feel when they hear those songs now?

“If one of the old songs comes on in the supermarket I have to leave,” says Reyne. “And the reason I can’t listen to that stuff any more is because of the singer. It’s because of my voice. I didn’t know what I was doing. It’s barely controlled yelling. I’m a much better singer now.”

McDonough was in a plumbing store recently picking up a new loo seat for his home renovations

“I’m standing there after talking to the guy behind the counter, and I’m wearing a torn T-shirt and have paint all over me, and when he comes back with the toilet seat, Downhearted comes on the sound system. And he starts singing along to it. And I thought to myself, ‘Do I say something? Do I say, I used to be in Australian Crawl and I co-wrote that song’?”

He chose to keep quiet. Instead, he just paid and walked out of the store, with a new toilet seat under his arm and a smile he couldn’t wipe off his face.

alwaysright
alwaysright
February 9, 2024 5:24 pm

Being obsessed with history

Ignorance of the past leads to misunderstanding of the present.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 9, 2024 5:24 pm

Looks like record turn out in Nevada.
On a Thursday night before Super Bowl weekend in Las Vegas when transiting around the biggest city would be a nightmare.
Will wait to see what Baris says on his live stream tomorrow morning.

Vicki
Vicki
February 9, 2024 5:26 pm

Consider yourself almost downticked, for misspelling of “navvies” ?

Ha!ha! Thanks, Sal!

Noticed when it was posted. Couldn’t be bothered correcting with another post.

Dock my next pay packet!
?

Muddy
Muddy
February 9, 2024 5:29 pm

The Special Counsel has concluded that Biden did not have intent? Just like the FBI concluded Clinton did have intent when she maintained an illegal server?

Is proving intent a necessary element to the potential criminal charge/s? I was under the impression that in Clinton’s case, proving intent was NOT necessary?

The conclusion that no jury would find Biden guilty due to his PRESENT (perceived) cognitive capacity seems strange. I would have thought that his cognitive capacity at the time of the alleged crime/s – when he was VP – would be the relevant period to examine?

Muddy
Muddy
February 9, 2024 5:30 pm

… Clinton did NOT have intent…

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:31 pm

alwaysright
Feb 9, 2024 5:24 PM

Being obsessed with history

Ignorance of the past leads to misunderstanding of the present.

Obsession isn’t the same as being aware of history. Obsession has led him to believe there are grievances that need to be repaid. It blinds him to the nuances of the past, trapping him in a cycle of resentment and vengeance.

MatrixTransform
February 9, 2024 5:32 pm

if Putin won’t come to the negotiating table

Didn’t Newland just visit Ukraine
and now I read the Zelenskyy is swapping out military command appointments?

and did Putin not just say they had an armistice brokered but it got torn up after Boris Johnson had a chit-chat?

… somebody doesn’t want peace that’s for sure

alwaysright
alwaysright
February 9, 2024 5:33 pm

Misunderstanding of the present is the inevitable consequence of ignorance of the past.

Marc Bloch

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:33 pm

dover0beach
Feb 9, 2024 5:24 PM

Trump has already said if Putin won’t come to the negotiating table….

The US rejected negotiations back in Dec ’21 and Jan ’22. They also scuttled the peace negotiations in late March ’22.

Oh please. They took Crimea and the US scuttled peace negotiations as though they were dealing with a legit player. What a strange comment.

Bruce in WA
February 9, 2024 5:34 pm

OK, O wise gurus.

I run Safari (iOS) and have had no problems but now, when I try to log into the Cat, I get this:

Request Header Fields Too Large

The server refused this request because the request header fields are too large.

Yet it all still works fine in Firefox.

Any ideas?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 9, 2024 5:36 pm

Albo’s sphincter must very be painful given the fence he’s so precariously perched upon.

‘Completely unacceptable’: Anthony Albanese reveals horror at reports about Jewish residents fleeing Melbourne’s north due to anti-Semitism (Sky, 9 Feb)

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has reacted to reports that members of the Jewish community are fleeing Melbourne’s northern suburbs due to “anti-Semitic attacks” on local families and businesses.

We should ask Tony Burqa about Jewish Australians being forced to flee from muslim electorates. I’m sure he’d have something to say. And Bad Penny might be so favoured as to divert some of that dosh she promised Hamas, since displaced Jewish Australians are a whole lot closer to home than Gazan terrorists are.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 5:37 pm

I think he means, he has nothing to do and is basically trolling for attention.

And it’s working – coz it seems I live rent-free in your head.
Your obsession with me is unhealthy.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 9, 2024 5:39 pm

Barnaby has fallen off a pot plant. I have no idea what that’s about, perhaps Cardi knows if he’s around?

calli
calli
February 9, 2024 5:40 pm

Bruce, if you are in Safari, go into History and clear it. You will lose the fields for name and email address, but you will also be able to open the blog.

Arky
February 9, 2024 5:41 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 5:33 PM

..
After down ticks are abolished I want you to visualise at least one down tick from me after each of your worthless comments.
I will inform you in the unlikely event if you ever make an actual decent, original contribution.

Muddy
Muddy
February 9, 2024 5:41 pm

It’s strange how we’re meant to just forget everything about the covidiocy (‘We did the best we could, why obsess about it now?), but apologise and financially compensate for the alleged crimes of our ancestors.
Huh.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 5:42 pm

And for those that love Dad Jokes –

A Derro Drunk (who could be one of KD’s analysis of people – You know – 95% Pommy, 5% Kiwi and 0% Aussies as they are perfect. LOL) gets onto a Train.

He sits across the seats from a Catholic Priest who doesn’t like this one bit. And as the Derro is reading his Newspaper, he says to the Priest. “How do you get arthritis?” The Priest who is in a right huff says. “Well you get it from drinking and smoking and having sex with loose Women and being a really nawty boy.” And the Derro says, “Thanks for that”.

Then the Priest says, “Look I am so sorry for being so short with you. I apologise. So how long have you had the arthritis?

And the Derro says. “It’s not me but I just read in the Paper that the Pope has it”

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
February 9, 2024 5:43 pm

Rabz!

Set up a movie soundtrack thread. ( :

calli
calli
February 9, 2024 5:44 pm

An excellent point, Muddy. I will never forget what they did.

And I will never apologise for something I didn’t do.

Zatara
Zatara
February 9, 2024 5:46 pm

US Treasury Secretary Yellen: “We don’t have to get the prices down because wages are going up.”

Un-freaking-believably irrational, out of touch with reality incompetence.

She said it like she actually deeply believed it, which is the scariest part of all.

calli
calli
February 9, 2024 5:48 pm

Oh. I thought it was a different type of pot plant. 😀

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:50 pm

Imagine a politician lying. Inconceivable.

What is their motivation to lie and why? Instead, your link offers an account with no specific quotes from people to support what you’re suggesting. If this is your only argument then, there’s nothing else to be said.

Ukraine isn’t a member of NATO. Short of involving itself directly NATO is doing everything from providing Ukraine with weapons and IRS.

That’s not the point, though is it? You’re deliberately skirting over the fundamental point.

No, I didn’t say Putin wanted Ukraine for strategic purposes, I said Putin and every other Russian leader wants NATO out of Ukraine for strategic purposes.

Obviously, not because of a border issue, seeing several former Soviet blocs are now part of NATO. It was exactly like you suggested. Ukraine is seen as too strategically important because of what’s in the ground etc. Greed and self-aggrandizement better explains it.

On the latter point, NATO has expended hundreds of billions, emptied its arsenal, and is in the process of deindustrializing, but sure, this has meant nothing to NATO.

Assume, 10% “industrialization” in NATO. It’s low, but lets go with a low ball figure because it would offer more comfort to you. NATO is 45% of the world economy. It still dwarfs Russia by the size of Siberia.

What else?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 5:50 pm

Arky
Feb 9, 2024 5:41 PM
JC
Feb 9, 2024 5:33 PM

LOL. I down thumb the stupid dumb dumb bum bum at every opportunity.

This poster/imposter is a Blog Wrecker.

What this poster/imposter knows about Life, you could write a book. What this poster/imposter doesn’t know about Life – You could fill a farking Library.

Digger
Digger
February 9, 2024 5:51 pm

Bit sad when ‘adults’ focus on ticks and not the topics…

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 5:54 pm

Assume, 10% “industrialization” in NATO. It’s low, but lets go with a low ball figure because it would offer more comfort to you. NATO is 45% of the world economy. It still dwarfs Russia by the size of Siberia.

Hey Dipstick. NATO and the EU does not have the Industrial might of Russia right now.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:55 pm

Arky
Feb 9, 2024 5:41 PM

JC
Feb 9, 2024 5:33 PM

..
After down ticks are abolished I want you to visualise at least one down tick from me after each of your worthless comments.
I will inform you in the unlikely event if you ever make an actual decent, original contribution.

Don’t worry Champ, I think every single one of yours are the pits. You even took off claiming, mental problems when a number of people here began to agitate against your nonsense. Not just me. Just assume that everyone of yours carries a downtick from me because you’re worth it.

Rosie
Rosie
February 9, 2024 5:56 pm

Israel is showing the world it doesn’t curl up in a ball.
If you haven’t noticed it’s making a lot of people very angry.
Many people Jewish and others have gone to Israel to assist in harvesting and other essential work while so many are called up.
Many have also gone to fight in the IDF, including Australians which has also made certain people very angry, demanding that anyone that does so get prosecuted.
I personally couldn’t cope with the abuse dished out to the Jewish people I follow on twitter, death threats, rape threats, pernicious trolling, revelling in the suffering of hostages and their families, it never stops but they soldier on, defending themselves in word and deed.
As does Cassie, the circumstances are quite extraordinary. I don’t think any other culture can understand it.

Bruce in WA
February 9, 2024 5:56 pm

Thanks for the advice, Calli. Worked beautifully. Have to remember that one.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:57 pm

Hey Dipstick. NATO and the EU does not have the Industrial might of Russia right now.

Check with Socrates, genius.

Arky
February 9, 2024 5:58 pm

You even took off claiming, mental problems

..
You’re the picture of mental health. Screaming at strangers online on a daily basis.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 9, 2024 5:58 pm

Safe to assume the Beetrooter wasn’t planning on going into the electorate office on Friday. I guess he must be WFH along with the rest of the public servants.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 5:59 pm

You’re the picture of mental health. Screaming at strangers online on a daily basis.

The old blog was closed down several days for the first time in 15 years because of your apeshit behavior. Now you’re wearing a white gown? Fck off.

Digger
Digger
February 9, 2024 6:00 pm

You said that NATO could easily deal with Russia. I countered with, Not without a massive commitment from the US.

I think because of its structure, NATO, especially without the US may have some significant tactical, command, control, political and logistics issues which could represent a fatal flaw…

JMH
JMH
February 9, 2024 6:02 pm

You’re the picture of mental health. Screaming at strangers online on a daily basis.

Correct.

Arky
February 9, 2024 6:02 pm

Fck off.

..
You first creep.
“Champ”.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 6:05 pm

You first creep.
“Champ”.

Thanks. Are you going to leave a nasty comment on my phone like the time you were told you were blocked? Creep doesn’t even describe that level of behavior. Still have it too.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:06 pm

Don’t worry Champ, I think every single one of yours are the pits. You even took off claiming, mental problems when a number of people here began to agitate against your nonsense. Not just me. Just assume that everyone of yours carries a downtick from me because you’re worth it.

Get back to the Fat Pizza Bar. You are a tosser.

JMH
JMH
February 9, 2024 6:06 pm

To thwart the repulsive, obsessed cur, I submit this.

If some precious petals carry enough truck with Dover to warrant a change in policy, what about those of us who are absolutely sick to the back teeth with THIS abusive, nasty PoS who ruins every single page with his bile; his unhinged, putrid vitriol? Well, Dover? If the Karcher is coming in – let it do a complete job.

Alamak!
February 9, 2024 6:07 pm

After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 the West should have set up a Marshall type plan. Instead they did nothing.

We are reaping what we didn’t sow.

Except We (USA, UK, Europe ) were busy handling the vacuum which opened up with ending of the Eastern Bloc, including re-unification of Germany. Germany paid $55Bn to the Soviets to “make things right” and ease the transition.

Once the EU was up and fully running, plenty of schemes to update/upgrade/integrate former eastern bloc on case by case basis.

History – there is plenty of it out there.

Real Deal
Real Deal
February 9, 2024 6:07 pm

Barnaby.
Oh my.

Fell off a plant pot onto the footpath. I suspect the Barn has a bit of a drinking problem. Not a good look at all.

The news.com.au article on Barnaby’s tiredness is written by that noted teetotaller, Sam Maiden.

Arky
February 9, 2024 6:07 pm

I blocked you first, moron.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 6:08 pm

The head collector joins in.

lets count them.

1. Thought leader/ Juan Peron
2. God Oracle
3. The Publess pubbler.
4. Head collector
5. Woddenhead.

All perfectly nromal human beings. Exemplary.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 9, 2024 6:09 pm

Auto-correct seems to now correct perfectly correct and cromulent words with ones which are not entered but merely spelt similarly.

…and lots of corpulent men lolling about at banquets fondling their calamities catamites so they can’t even pour their wine straight…

…I base that purely upon the racial stone in Netflix’ show shoe…

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:09 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 6:05 PM
You first creep.
“Champ”.

You are a Farking Nut Case. P*ss Off and don’t come back. EVER.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 9, 2024 6:11 pm

The news.com.au article on Barnaby’s tiredness is written by that noted teetotaller, Sam Maiden.

Luckily both “professions”. are comfortable with hypocrisy.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 6:11 pm

Arky
Feb 9, 2024 6:07 PM

I blocked you first, moron.

Makes it sound even worse. Why would you call after deciding to block me and leaving a mentally deranged comment. Just deranged behavior.

MatrixTransform
February 9, 2024 6:12 pm

when a number of people here began to agitate against your nonsense

just clear it up,

JC went after yet another mental and relentless personal vendetta

that’s not a ‘number’ of people

… it’s one malignant tosser

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 6:13 pm

Barnaby Joyce jumps auctioneer’s gun, sells Tamworth family home for $1.1m
By Lucy Macken
Updated February 8, 2024 — 9.58amfirst published at 8.55am

Property listings
Listen to this article
3 min

Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce has sold his Tamworth family home, scoring $1.1 million a day before it was due to go to auction.

The sale price reflects a 50 per cent-plus jump in value since Joyce and his former wife Natalie Abberfield bought the four-bedroom house with a swimming pool for $700,000 in 2013.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 6:13 pm

You are a Farking Nut Case. P*ss Off and don’t come back. EVER.

Whatever happened to your cries of “fee speech”, woddenhead.

Stick with Marty and you’ll be fine, you limey crook.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:14 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 6:08 PM

Fat Pizza Arse No 1

Fat Pizza Arese No 2

Fat Pizza Arese No 3

Fat Pizza Arse No 4

And it goes on to Infinity. LOL

Alamak!
February 9, 2024 6:15 pm

perfectly correct and cromulent

“cromulent” – today was a success, learned a new word. thanks ML!

MatrixTransform
February 9, 2024 6:15 pm

stfu, you whining antagonistic mole

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 9, 2024 6:16 pm

I will point out that the word Catamite comes from Catimitus, which is the Latinised version of Ganymede, who was taken to heaven by Zeus to be his ‘çup-bearer.

Hence my reference to the catamites having trouble pouring wine.

I would hate people to think that Í made senseless references.

I also expect a downticker who has suddenly realised that he has been using wine bottles wrong all these years, and a bottle of champagne does not have to bring your eyes to tears or entail a trip to St Vincents late at night with improbably stories about it falling off the top shelf and somehow…well, you get the gist.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 6:17 pm

I guessing there’s a great deal of anger being shown over the ticks issue being done away with (by the tick gamers). One even suggests imaginary ticks are the go.

Fellas, it’s okay as you’ll get used it after a while. We all have to live with hardship and think of the extra time you’ll all have now. 🙂

Arky
February 9, 2024 6:17 pm

Why would you call after deciding to block me

..
Because you were spewing your stupid guts up all over this blog and boring the shit out of a bunch of strangers with zero interest in our personal dispute.
Feel free to actually be an adult and pick up a phone.
You are still unblocked.
Or continue to be a little girl.
Whatever.

Real Deal
Real Deal
February 9, 2024 6:18 pm

Time for Mr Poopy Pants

https://youtu.be/1A3WEMPZJD8?si=cWjw9Ha3gxNnXZV2

Today’s stoushes and downticks dramas in a nutshell.

cohenite
February 9, 2024 6:18 pm

Steve Price and Campbell Newman talking about the corpse in diplomatic terms: sad, not in complete control etc. FMD. The decrepit old shit is a monster; in a just world he would be staked out to drown in his own dribble and shit. He has literally destroyed the US and the world.

bons
bons
February 9, 2024 6:18 pm

Surely Ford must be open to a civil suit, or even a full class action thumping.

Her employer needs also to feel some burn.

C’mon LNP, do something for once you useless, cowardly………

Another letter to my local member – who is actually a good bloke but is a mrrmber of an idiocracy.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 9, 2024 6:18 pm

çup-bearer

WTF?

I have a feeling Auto-corrupt and the professor of biometric sciences who said “Where’s the juice?” might share a chromosome or two.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
February 9, 2024 6:19 pm

Looks like the US liquorice ice-cream brigade has realised that if they don’t finally report what’s in front of their eyes, then they will go down with the floundering Biden. Goodo.
For all the obvious debasement on camera, I can’t help thinking that all of this president’s disatrous reign could have been stopped in its tracks, if only one little girl had put one of her knees into Pedo Joe’s nutsack, just once. It’s not like he ever stopped slobbering on just because there were people watching.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 6:19 pm

Johnny Rotten
Feb 9, 2024 6:14 PM

Intelligent, thoughtful and insightful comment there.

Woddenhead, go talk to to the ladyboy and give us some piece, you limey crook.

Rosie
Rosie
February 9, 2024 6:21 pm

Yes JC the shiny plaques on the footpaths around the Jewish quarter and Trastevere in Rome are poignant, as are the wall plaques on schools in the 4th and 8th arrondissements in Paris numbering the Jewish children sent to their deaths, far more in number than the fallen resistance members individually memorialised.
What always astounded me was how long it took for even the plaques to go up took.
Iirc the Paris ones were placed in 2005.
And there are still thousands of artworks stolen from Jewish families that are still sitting in French and other galleries, only now having their provenances checked while others are still subject to ongoing legal action.
Doesn’t say much about taking responsibility for what they did, and what they failed to do.

Alamak!
February 9, 2024 6:21 pm

Funny how the day started with some low-grade contretemps over nothing much and now ends with more ritual insults at wifi paces by the usual suspects.

ELE

Arky
February 9, 2024 6:21 pm

Or continue to be a little girl.

..
Sorry, should read “continue to be an incontinent, retarded little girl”.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
February 9, 2024 6:22 pm

Thanks ML, didn’t know the Ganymede angle. Had to look up catamite when reading Burgess’ Earthly Powers, one of the best opening lines evah.

cohenite
February 9, 2024 6:22 pm
JC
JC
February 9, 2024 6:23 pm

Because you were spewing your stupid guts up all over this blog and boring the shit out of a bunch of strangers with zero interest in our personal dispute.
Feel free to actually be an adult and pick up a phone.
You are still unblocked.
Or continue to be a little girl.
Whatever.

So you blocked me and then unblocked me. Sounds perfectly logical. But you still left the comment even though you were well aware you had been blocked. You’re making as much sense as you normally do, which is zero.

Enuff, as this is boring now.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:23 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 6:13 PM

I always use Free Speech which you cannot type. You typed the word ‘fee’. Dipstick.

As for Limey – Go back to being a Yank in NYC

And as for being a crook – Again no proof.

So I will belt in with this.

You are a fat arsed short arse bigoted Mafioso Bully. A Pompous Windbag to boot. Living in Sictoria which shows you that you have no idea about where to live in this Great Country.

And I will call you a WOG as well. Call me a Pommy and I will call you a WOG.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 9, 2024 6:25 pm

Looks like the hive has decided the excuse for Premier Minns laughing at a question about the stabbing of a 70 year old lady was…. “context”..
https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2024/feb/09/no-laughing-matter-the-context-missing-from-sky-newss-report-on-steven-miles-and-youth

The new Labor leader, who succeeded Annastacia Palaszczuk in December, answered “it was a speech about housing” and “I figured I’d get a question”, which prompted laughter from the room. The premier had, after all, just answered several questions about crime – and none about housing from the media.
When Walters asked again about the “absence of any reference to youth crime in your speech” Miles smiled wryly and then giggled, seemingly amused at the tone and the persistence of the questioner.

This exchange with Walters, who has a habit of asking long-winded questions, was fashioned into a story about how the premier laughed when he was asked questions about crime.

Sky News also ran part of the earlier exchange but not the laughter of the audience.

Cue the negative stories which rolled out across News Corp, the Daily Mail and social media.

Peculiarly its very difficult to find any trace of the thing on youtube.

Indolent
Indolent
February 9, 2024 6:26 pm
Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:26 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 6:23 PM

You are really pathetic.

Arky
February 9, 2024 6:26 pm

So you blocked me and then unblocked me.

..
Yes.
It’s not hard to understand,
You idiot.

JMH
JMH
February 9, 2024 6:27 pm

The moron:

Woddenhead, go talk to to the ladyboy and give us some piece, you limey crook.

It’s spelled peace retard.

Arky
February 9, 2024 6:28 pm

So you blocked me and then unblocked me.

..
Correct.
Your comprehension skills are on the ball for once.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 6:29 pm

Rosie, thanks, yeah.

It wasn’t until I saw them in the Rome Jewish Quarter that I knew about them. What struck me was how visceral and vivid it was imaging the horror of what occurred, and looking at the buildings made it real. It shook me up.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 6:30 pm

Or continue to be a little girl…
Sorry, should read “continue to be an incontinent, retarded little girl”.

He’ll probably choose option B.
However this doesn’t rule out option A being selected.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:31 pm

Enuff, as this is boring now.

Boring to who? And it is not enough (correct spelling) to me, You Farking Tosser.

Indolent
Indolent
February 9, 2024 6:31 pm
Arky
February 9, 2024 6:32 pm

Enuff, as this is boring now.

..
Precisely what I told you originally, years ago.
Didn’t stop you from going on an almost year long rant against me on here complete with nicknames and insults, whether I replied or not.
Now you are bored.
Tough shit.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 6:33 pm

Kez thanks, I know.

I want to congratulate you on making the first worthwhile contribution since you been posting stupid comments here.

Agree?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:34 pm

Correct.
Your comprehension skills are on the ball for once.

This Tosser has no skills whatsoever. Apart from being a T.W.A.T.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 6:36 pm

Enuff, as this is boring now.

Watching the blog’s most uncontrolled personality have meltdown in real time is many things.

Boring it is not.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:38 pm

Arky
Feb 9, 2024 6:32 PM
Enuff, as this is boring now.

I agree. Kick this poster/imposter in the nuts. No backing down from a twat like this.

Harlequin Decline
February 9, 2024 6:40 pm

In 2007 Time magazine not only interviewed Putin but made him their Person of the Year .

Here’s some of the interview, it makes for interesting viewing.

Digger
Digger
February 9, 2024 6:41 pm

My last word on ticks. Just keep an uptick so people can see some merit, or not, in what they have posted.

Disagreeing posters can use the blog to express their disagreement and others can agree, or not, with that response…

Rosie
Rosie
February 9, 2024 6:42 pm

Yesterday I decided the most interesting thing I could do was explore the Italian health sector after a week of discomfort and with my asthma being under control wondering what the problem could be.
Pleasantly surprised, especially after multiple experiences with a family member of the Melbourne hospital emergency system in September and October, with so many people and so many hours of waiting, waiting, waiting.
Could only be described as quiet, quick, efficient and most importantly, resolved.
There was quite a period of time when I was the only patient in emergency.
That doesn’t happen in Colac.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:42 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 6:29 PM

You are even more pathetic when you run away with other comments.

Are you a Man or a Mouse?

P
P
February 9, 2024 6:45 pm

So please don’t blog-verbal me.

This sounds dictatorial to me.

I am not happy that the ticks have been removed. Often they have afforded me a glimpse of the reception of what I have put up here which is often related to my Christian faith (Catholic). I sometime use the tick/s as a gauge to see whether I have been able to share an article. Even 1 tick is evidence that I’ve shared it with another.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 6:47 pm

Are you a Man or a Mouse?

We learned the answer to that when after threatening all & sundry with a bet he believed they’d be unable to match, he got offered a bet that would take some real skin off him – turned out he didn’t have the balls to match his mouth.

Thus: Man or mouse.

Digger
Digger
February 9, 2024 6:48 pm

Trump running his mouth at the Nevada gig.
Shut up man.
Silence is golden.
Especially on days like today.

He will either live and thrive by the sword or die and fade away by it.

He leaves no scope for saying he was misunderstood. He says it and then stands by it. Nothing wrong with that. It may be his downfall but it is his call.

JMH
JMH
February 9, 2024 6:48 pm

Watching the blog’s most uncontrolled personality have meltdown in real time is many things.

Boring it is not.

Nope. It’s poetry in motion.

Indolent
Indolent
February 9, 2024 6:48 pm
Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:49 pm

Harlequin Decline
Feb 9, 2024 6:40 PM
In 2007 Time magazine not only interviewed Putin but made him their Person of the Year .

Here’s some of the interview, it makes for interesting viewing.

Sorry but you are way off line so try this with Oliver Stone –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRzhUO-Pz40

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 9, 2024 6:56 pm

Kurtley Beale was found not guilty of all charges today.
In other news, his accused apparently scheduled her wedding for today.
Look forward to more information.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 6:59 pm

P
Feb 9, 2024 6:45 PM
So please don’t blog-verbal me.

This sounds dictatorial to me.

I am not happy that the ticks have been removed. Often they have afforded me a glimpse of the reception of what I have put up here which is often related to my Christian faith (Catholic). I sometime use the tick/s as a gauge to see whether I have been able to share an article. Even 1 tick is evidence that I’ve shared it with another

.P. There are no ticks, They are thumbs. If you can’t see that then you need to go to Spec Savers along with Junior Cretin and all the other Cretins..

Tom
Tom
February 9, 2024 6:59 pm

Oh FFS. Nicholas Reece is now Steve Price’s useful leftwing idiot on Sky News on Friday night when Reece is already Paul Murray’s useful leftwing idiot Sunday to Thursday.

You idiots. Too many leftwing idiots is not a winning strategy.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 7:00 pm

Gunther Rothenberg’s book “The Art of Warfare in the Age of Napoleon” mentions the Spanish campaign, where, with Napoleon far away, generals and marshal’s brought their mistresses into the field, some like Massena and Fournier several at the same time. (Page 88.)

How many mistresses does one French General need, in the field?

MatrixTransform
February 9, 2024 7:03 pm

it’s one malignant tosser

… and a Chihuahua

Roger
Roger
February 9, 2024 7:04 pm

Looks like the hive has decided the excuse for Premier Minns laughing at a question about the stabbing of a 70 year old lady was…. “context”..

Typo, mole: Premier Miles.

And I don’t think the hive is playing very well in QLD atm.

You can’t even buy a paper copy of The Guardian up here unless you’re in certain south east metro post codes.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 7:04 pm

Correct.
Your comprehension skills are on the ball for once.

And the ego comes out of the dirty laundry basket. You wouldn’t know who blocked who first. It shows exactly your problem. You can’t accept being shown up for being a transparent, egoistic doofus.

But, but I was first!

It wasn’t the point. The point was that you knew you were blocked, as you said on the recording. It’s disturbing because you don’t know your limits.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
February 9, 2024 7:05 pm

Personally I like the ticks.

For example Tom in the early morning can see people appreciate his effort in putting up the toons.

When Cassie has a good rant she knows people are supporting her. Or when Rosie is doing her travel reporting and even Lizzie when she travels.

Or such as when Digger had his rant about Lambie. TE when he posts something historical.

Or when you can see when somebody has made an effort to comment on a subject or made a witty reply.

I think it helps people know they reached somebody and that is important. If I make a comment at the Australian and it gets over 100 likes I do appreciate it.

I think those concerned about downticks are a very small group. For some it became an obsession that probably motivated their downtickers even more. There was an obvious downticking campaign this morning which was clearly designed to upset some of the lady commentators. It might also have been intended to cause the response that ticking removed.

Something will be lost if people can’t see any response. It was also a useful sign of support if there was a stoush going on. Naturally some did not like that.

Damienski
Damienski
February 9, 2024 7:06 pm

I know it’s Friday, but isn’t it a bit early for the vitriol to be up to eleventy?

Roger
Roger
February 9, 2024 7:06 pm

Gunther Rothenberg’s book “The Art of Warfare in the Age of Napoleon”

You may know that Rothenberg ended his days in Oz, Zulu.

And he never quite got over the government taking his blunderbusses off him.

Muddy
Muddy
February 9, 2024 7:09 pm

I see the Year 9 girls’ ‘You’re-a-tart-No!-YOU’RE-a-tart’ slapping contest has spilled from the toilets after P.E. again.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 7:09 pm

JMH
Feb 9, 2024 6:27 PM
The moron:

Woddenhead, go talk to to the ladyboy and give us some piece, you limey crook.

It’s spelled peace retard.

Thank you JMH. I always knew that the Fat Pizza blokes could not spell the Engrish……………LOL

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 7:11 pm

Johnny Rotten
Feb 9, 2024 6:42 PM

JC
Feb 9, 2024 6:29 PM

You are even more pathetic when you run away with other comments.

Are you a Man or a Mouse?

Forgive me Woddenhead, but have I missed something you said I haven’t replied to?

This?

There are no ticks, They are thumbs. If you can’t see that then you need to go to Spec Savers along with Junior Cretin and all the other Cretins..

You’re obviously an individual of gifted intelligence, numbnuts. Your comments are killers and the place is lucky to have you. Privileged even.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
February 9, 2024 7:12 pm

The Icelanders must be getting sick of these small volcanoes popping off every month or so. This one started less than 24 hours ago and is already slowing to a halt. Not before causing all sorts of chaos though – fortunately not too serious, since it has missed most of the important places like the power plant, Grindavik town and the Blue Lagoon.

Not so sure that’s right, BoN (waaaay upthread).

One of my three predictions for 2024 at Briggs’ site was that Iceland would be close to destroyed, and I see no reason to change that.

I am not a seismologist, and couldn’t discern a caldera from a fedora, but the fissures over the past few years have been moving, as I see it, steadily west.

Grindavik is saved! Despite the fact that it has almost been chopped in two and accounts for only about 3% of Iceland’s population, doesn’t seem to me to be any reason for good cheer. Nor that fact the the Blue Lagoon tourist attraction is (barely) likely to reopen.

This last event chopped off the hot water and power to the airport, which of course they will repair in a few days, but not having your international airport open is quite serious.

As the two plates decide to put a bit of space into their relationship, it all seems to be moving westward towards Reykavik.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 7:12 pm

How many mistresses does one French General need, in the field?

As with onions at a barbeque or chips at a burger stall, it simply is not possible to have too many, in fact more is better, to ensure one does not, having exhausted the anticipated supply, find oneself in circumstance of unexpectedly insatiable appetite, & consequently having to do without.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 7:13 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 7:04 PM

Fat Pizza Person you are a Fat T.W.A.T Get off this Blog asap as you are a Loooooooooooser.

Pogria
Pogria
February 9, 2024 7:14 pm
Roger
Roger
February 9, 2024 7:14 pm

I see the Year 9 girls’ ‘You’re-a-tart-No!-YOU’RE-a-tart’ slapping contest has spilled from the toilets after P.E. again.

There was at least one positive in going to an all-boys school then.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 7:18 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 7:11 PM

As you are such a dick head this is a tick.

And this is a thumb

If you cannot see the difference, then you are a T.W.A.T.

JMH
JMH
February 9, 2024 7:18 pm

Something will be lost if people can’t see any response. It was also a useful sign of support if there was a stoush going on. Naturally some did not like that.

It’s Dover’s choice but I can see pages upon pages of “stoush” dominating, driving out or hindering useful and respected posters which is what this blog should be about. Useful, learned and respected contributors. That will be a great shame. I come here to read and learn. I do not want to lose that.

calli
calli
February 9, 2024 7:19 pm

I agree with you Bourne. I still think some here labour under a misapprehension that I care when it involves me.

I will miss my reverse toadies, it’s like a shadow of uselessness.

My beef has always been with the abuse of the system.

Roger
Roger
February 9, 2024 7:19 pm

WEF finally comes up with some good news:

AI is now more accurate at weather forecasting than human meteorologists.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 7:21 pm

piggie, my breakdown? Five angry ferals trying a pile on, literally having breakdown live and I’m saddo?

Go eat lots, you groveling slob.

Seriously, this old blot appears to be obsessed about collecting people’s private information. Don’t make the mistake I made by providing anything to her. It’s a potential Glen Close (Fatal Attraction) in the making.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 7:24 pm

IIt’s Dover’s choice but I can see pages upon pages of “stoush” dominating, driving out or hindering useful and respected posters which is what this blog should be about. Useful, learned and respected contributors. That will be a great shame. I come here to read and learn. I do not want to lose that.

Don’t ever leave as I will always be here. My name is Johnny Rotten, but I am not very rotten at all.

JC
JC
February 9, 2024 7:24 pm

JMH
Feb 9, 2024 7:18 PM

White gown after 2 years of piling on Liz. Incredible. Trying it on me and isn’t working. Now appealing to Dover like he always does. Incredible.

John H.
John H.
February 9, 2024 7:24 pm

JMH
Feb 9, 2024 7:18 PM
Something will be lost if people can’t see any response. It was also a useful sign of support if there was a stoush going on. Naturally some did not like that.

It’s Dover’s choice but I can see pages upon pages of “stoush” dominating, driving out or hindering useful and respected posters which is what this blog should be about. Useful, learned and respected contributors. That will be a great shame. I come here to read and learn. I do not want to lose that.

Your optimism is admirable.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 7:25 pm

You may know that Rothenberg ended his days in Oz, Zulu.

I did know that, indeed. His military career also made interesting reading. The British Army during World War Two, the Israeli Army in 1948, and the Unites States Air Force, during the Korean War.

Tom
Tom
February 9, 2024 7:26 pm

I fully understand that our host Dover Beach has had a gutful of mediating disputes between warring factions at the Cat over the use of ticks and downticks.

But I am very disappointed to see this unique blog feature disappear.

They add a quasi-democratic function to the blog akin to a vote — without having to explain the vote.

No-one asks your opinion in a polling booth, just a vote for one or another.

I hope that Cats will support a return to ticks and downticks.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 7:27 pm

Don’t make the mistake I made by providing anything to her. It’s a potential Glen Close (Fatal Attraction) in the making.

We all know who here has a record of taking blog tiffs offline & into real life.

JMH
JMH
February 9, 2024 7:29 pm

I come here to read and learn. I do not want to lose that.

I should have added that I should not be expected to suck up constant abuse from one particular poster. Enough is a f/ing enough.

calli
calli
February 9, 2024 7:30 pm

Tom, we were watching Sky, the Beloved’s pick of the evening. He changed channels to an ancient episode of Bargain Hunt.

It was that bad.

No leftover lollie for you, Sky!

P
P
February 9, 2024 7:31 pm

.P. There are no ticks, They are thumbs. If you can’t see that then you need to go to Spec Savers along with Junior Cretin and all the other Cretins..

I can see that JR. I don’t wear spectacles but I am so somewhat visually challenged. I am able to increase the font size on my computer which is a big help.

Roger
Roger
February 9, 2024 7:31 pm

Muddy, if you’re still about, any developments with your employment situation?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 7:31 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 7:21 PM

What a ‘Wan Car’ and Wimp that you are. Someone has a go at you and like the ‘Wimp’ that you are calls it a pile in or a pile on. FFS. You ‘Wan Car’.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 9, 2024 7:33 pm

‘Not like a detective novel’: Court urged to reject Roberts-Smith appeal
Michaela Whitbourn
By Michaela Whitbourn
February 9, 2024 — 6.10pm

Listen to this article
4 min

Ben Roberts-Smith’s defamation case was “not like a detective novel” where there could be multiple explanations for killings in Afghanistan, and a decision finding he engaged in war crimes should not be overturned, the barrister acting for the media outlets at the centre of the lawsuit has said.

Nicholas Owens, SC, acting for The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, urged the Full Court of the Federal Court on Friday to reject the former soldier’s appeal against Justice Anthony Besanko’s historic decision last year dismissing his multimillion-dollar defamation suit against the newspapers.

Besanko found the newspapers had proven to the civil standard – on the balance of probabilities – that Roberts-Smith was complicit in the murder of four unarmed prisoners while on deployment in Afghanistan between 2009 and 2012. This is lower than the criminal standard of beyond reasonable doubt.

Owens told the court that Roberts-Smith’s barrister, Bret Walker, SC, had raised hypothetical scenarios during the appeal, including that Australian soldiers might be motivated to plant a Taliban-issued object on the body of an Afghan man killed legitimately in war to help avoid unnecessary questions about whether the killing was in fact lawful.

Walker stressed that his client, a Victoria Cross recipient, did not give evidence that this had ever occurred.

Owens said that the hypothesis “must be excluded because if it was to be raised … one would have expected that to be given” in evidence by the former Special Air Service corporal or another soldier in court.

In his judgment in June, Besanko found that either Roberts-Smith or his friend, a soldier dubbed Person 11, planted a Taliban-issued radio on an unarmed Afghan prisoner known as Ali Jan in 2012 to make his unlawful killing by Person 11 on Roberts-Smith’s instruction appear legitimate. Under the rules of engagement that bound the SAS, killing unarmed prisoners is a war crime.

“It’s to be remembered, of course, that these murders are not like a detective novel where people stumble across a body in the library bleeding from the head and there’s a whole range of questions about how did they die, who killed them, for what reason, et cetera,” Owens said.

He said that in general “we know who killed” the four Afghan men in question and “we know how they were killed”, by gunshot.

“The only dispute is in effect the immediate circumstances,” Owens said, which pointed to whether the killings involved the lawful engagement of enemy combatants or unlawful killings of unarmed prisoners.

He said there was “no third hypothesis that’s available on the evidence, or … if it’s available, it must be of a probability that is so low that it cannot possibly affect the outcome of the case when the standard of proof is balance of probabilities”.

Owens submitted on Friday that “the fundamental flaw in the arguments advanced by the appellant in this court lies in a failure to make … any serious attempt to place particular pieces of evidence that they have seized upon in the context of the evidence as a whole”.

He said the court had heard detailed submissions from Roberts-Smith’s barristers, pointing to alleged problems in the evidence against their client.

“Our response to those submissions … ranges from, at the one end, denying that there is a problem with the evidence … to, at the other end, accepting completely that there is a valid point to be made,” Owens said.

But he said that “the real question … is when all of the evidence, with all of those imperfections, with all of those contradictions, is considered as a whole, does it combine to produce the requisite state of comfortable satisfaction that our case is more likely than not?”

Roberts-Smith’s legal team say the evidence against their client is insufficiently cogent to justify the grave findings made by Besanko, and his decision should be overturned.

The war veteran has consistently denied wrongdoing, and wants the court to set aside Besanko’s decision and enter judgment in his favour. He also wants it to award damages or to send the matter to a different Federal Court judge to determine damages.

Parts of the appeal are being held in closed court to hear submissions relating to national security information. The hearing continues on Monday.

Roger
Roger
February 9, 2024 7:35 pm

His military career also made interesting reading. The British Army during World War Two, the Israeli Army in 1948, and the Unites States Air Force, during the Korean War.

He lived in ‘interesting times.’

Arky
February 9, 2024 7:37 pm

It wasn’t the point. The point was that you knew you were blocked, as you said on the recording.

..
Why would you block someone then spend a whole bloody year trying to engage them with insults and juvenile nick names on a blog you mental case.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 9, 2024 7:38 pm

JC
Feb 9, 2024 7:24 PM

You are this Bog Wrecker and Dover Beach knows it.

John H.
John H.
February 9, 2024 7:40 pm

Roger
Feb 9, 2024 7:19 PM
WEF finally comes up with some good news:

AI is now more accurate at weather forecasting than human meteorologists.

When they ran an AI to test the climate models it committed suicide.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 9, 2024 7:41 pm

Why would you block someone then spend a whole bloody year trying to engage them with insults and juvenile nick names on a blog you mental case.

The final Three words answer the question posed in the preceding Twenty-Four words.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 9, 2024 7:41 pm

Bloody hell.

Did someone mention ticks*?

As mentioned upthread by someone, there appears to be a competition as to who can hammer the most downticks before they’re switched off.

A couple of people are actually emerging from the undergrowth to voice their displeasure at the removal of their only apparent means of communication with the outside world.

You know, the Bad Boy Bubby types.

*Anyone who thinks they are ‘thumbs’ should be deported for uselessness.

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