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Top Ender
Top Ender
September 16, 2021 11:15 am

Response to various responses above:

– from my mates still in Navy I understand there are about 400 RAN/Defence personnel in France. Dunno the mix.

– we could advertise (with US/Brit permission) for ex-submariners to further their career Down Under….

– the Virginias are replacing the Los Angeles class is my understanding. They are bigger and a bit longer but have less crew: 135 vs 143.

Tom
Tom
September 16, 2021 11:18 am

General Mark Milley is as off his head as General Jack Ripper (brilliantly portrayed by Sterling Hayden) in Doctor Strangelove. He is what happens when military leadership redundancy systems fail.

Bons
September 16, 2021 11:19 am

Will they be US or the new BAE boats?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 11:19 am

A question for Arky.
Would you prefer:-
1. A fleet of fully imported Virginia class subs at a cost of $50 billion; or
2. The Australian made artisan Pahn Class submarines at a cost of $90 billion?

cohenite
September 16, 2021 11:21 am

Uranium stocks are going through the roof.

Zipster
Zipster
September 16, 2021 11:22 am
cohenite
September 16, 2021 11:27 am

A question for Arky.
Would you prefer:-
1. A fleet of fully imported Virginia class subs at a cost of $50 billion; or
2. The Australian made artisan Pahn Class submarines at a cost of $90 billion?

The Virginia Class would be half that and the frog junk twice and obsolete by 2030. A good site on the sub debacle and defence needs for Australia is:

https://submarinesforaustralia.com.au/

A good overview of this shit:

https://www.facebook.com/dallas.beaufort.71/posts/139789850735292?form=MY01SV&OCID=MY01SV

Moylan to his shame defended the frog subs. I wonder what he’ll say now.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 16, 2021 11:27 am

From the “Australian.”

Brittany Higgins: Ex-Liberal staffer accused of rape Bruce Lehrmann to fight sex assault charge

Adeshola Ore
Reporter
@AdesholaOre
24 minutes ago September 16, 2021

The man accused of raping former Liberal Party staffer Brittany Higgins inside Parliament House in 2019 will plead not guilty to the charge of non-consensual sex.

The ACT Magistrates Court heard on Thursday morning Bruce Lehrmann, 26, will defend one count of sexual intercourse without consent.

The court appearance came months after Ms Higgins alleged she was raped shortly before the 2019 election in Parliament House in the office of then Defence Industry Minister Linda Reynolds.

Mr Lehrmann did not attend court on Thursday but will participate by video link for the next hearing.

Mr Lehrmann’s solicitor, Warwick Korn, entered a plea of not guilty on his behalf on Thursday morning. The ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold told court a brief of evidence had been completed.

Mr Lehrmann was summoned last month to appear in court.

ACT Police allege Mr Lehrmann had sexual intercourse without consent with Ms Higgins at Parliament House on March 23 2019. The maximum penalty for this offence is 12 years imprisonment.

Mr Lehrmann denies he and Ms Higgins had sexual intercourse.

Ms Higgins’ allegation, which became public in February, led to a reckoning about the treatment of women in Australian politics.

Mr Lehrmann will next appear at the ACT Supreme Court on October 14 at 9.30am at the ACT Supreme Court on date for a committal hearing.

Bons
September 16, 2021 11:29 am

A China containment alliance without Japan is bizarre. This period of existential threat is a good time for Japan to dump Macarthur’s imposed constitution. The world has moved on and the mood for Japan to hide behind the constitution to avoid taking up their global citizen responsibilities does appear to be on the wane particularly as the Boomer generation of political operatives are dying out.

Arky
September 16, 2021 11:29 am

cohenitesays:
September 16, 2021 at 11:27 am
A question for Arky.
Would you prefer:-
1. A fleet of fully imported Virginia class subs at a cost of $50 billion; or
2. The Australian made artisan Pahn Class submarines at a cost of $90 billion?

..
Why are you asking me that? The answer is obvious.
As is the fact that Australia will find a way to fuck up the Virginias.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
September 16, 2021 11:29 am

AUKUS is awkward to say.

UKUSA unfortunately sounds a bit like the Japanese word for their local Mafia.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 16, 2021 11:30 am

Quick as a flash, our nuclear subs we haven’t got yet have been banned from NZ waters:

Australian nuclear-powered submarines will be banned from entering New Zealand’s waters, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed.

Zipster
Zipster
September 16, 2021 11:30 am
Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 11:31 am

Top Ender

– the Virginias are replacing the Los Angeles class is my understanding. They are bigger and a bit longer but have less crew: 135 vs 143.

This section pretty much puts the kibosh on a target of 12 boats. Twice as many subs, with twice the crew, and a completely new technology? We seem to have sufficient trouble with crewing the Collins. Fewer boats to start with, building up to double crewing, then more boats, perhaps?

Hasten slowly, one major accident, even a grounding, with inexperienced crews would end the project. The first five years would be crucial, don’t try to doo too much in that time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 11:32 am

Tomsays:
September 16, 2021 at 11:18 am
General Mark Milley is as off his head as General Jack Ripper (brilliantly portrayed by Sterling Hayden) in Doctor Strangelove. He is what happens when military leadership redundancy systems fail.

I always chuckle at Mark Steyn’s “pop culture” description of him: “Thoroughly Modern Milley”.

rosie
rosie
September 16, 2021 11:33 am

Great.
Now if China invades New Zealand we can sit on our hands.

Arky
September 16, 2021 11:33 am

Top Endersays:
September 16, 2021 at 11:30 am
Quick as a flash, our nuclear subs we haven’t got yet have been banned from NZ waters:

Australian nuclear-powered submarines will be banned from entering New Zealand’s waters, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed.

..
That is not a change of policy.
New Zealand has been a nuclear free zone since David Lange.
Both propulsion and any vessel which won’t confirm it has no nuclear weapons aboard.
New Zealanders don’t look at nukes the way Australians do. They took the Rainbow Warrior thing very, very personally.
They’re quite happy to be under the protection of ANZUS (at least they were) but not to participate in the dirty aspects.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2021 11:34 am

Australian nuclear-powered submarines will be banned from entering New Zealand’s waters, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed.

If we go to war with UnZud then we will ignore the ban, and otherwise we won’t want to go there.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 16, 2021 11:34 am

Let’s just hope Morrison is playing the media for the fools they are.

The expertise required to operate the subs is the perfect springboard to a nuclear industry.

My hope too.
Ideally, loudly shelving a civil nuclear industry is just a political sop by Morrison to stop the ALP having to scream blue murder from every orifice.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 16, 2021 11:35 am

Quick as a flash, our nuclear subs we haven’t got yet have been banned from NZ waters:

Sorry, Jacinta, when the Chunks decide to occupy NZ to cut Australia off from the United States, you’ll just have to make the best terms you can get..

miltonf
miltonf
September 16, 2021 11:36 am

“Thoroughly Modern Milley”

haha I like that- what a dirty stink and there are a lot like that in the military. Love of country doesn’t even figure in their minds- look at some examples here in Oz- Kelly, that twerp who was in ‘intelligence’ who dressed up as a Nasty and McClown.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 11:38 am

Barrie Cassidy wants to know what the scrapping of the French submarine deal will cost.

Always funny when the Left suddenly becomes concerned about government spending.

miltonf
miltonf
September 16, 2021 11:41 am

I was wondering who that mouthy germalist was who was lecturing the fat bastard. They are creeps of the first order.

Megan
Megan
September 16, 2021 11:43 am

Fat Clive is not the answer.

I’m late to the party this morning. Fat Clive may very well not be the answer but, as of today, he and Kelly are the only two voices being heard addressing the question.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 11:46 am

They’re quite happy to be under the protection of ANZUS (at least they were) but not to participate in the dirty aspects.

I hope they realise ANZUS is now effectively redundant.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2021 11:47 am

the Virginias are replacing the Los Angeles class is my understanding.

Who would want to go in a sub named after Los Angeles these days. It would bring to mind turds all over the floor and consoles, homeless people sleeping all through the passage ways and common areas, used needles sticking out from behind chairs and between blankets, and underfoot of course, and being robbed at gunpoint in the galley.

Except the Captain’s and other senior personnel will have immaculate cabins with guards to keep out lower ranks, and illegal Mexicans manicuring the paint and housekeeping.

Zipster
Zipster
September 16, 2021 11:47 am

Could Natural COVID Immunity be better than Vaccinated Immunity?

the best strategy was and still is herd immunity, not filling the coffers of big pharma

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2021 11:48 am

If UAP got in, and Fat Bastard made himself a nuisance, forgetting for a moment that he has the purse strings, would it be possible to eject him from the party? Or everyone else leave him en masse and form a new one to get out of his clutches?

twostix
twostix
September 16, 2021 11:50 am

The people who are not testing positive in the current outbreak are those who have had COVID-19 previously and recovered. These people account for 9% of Israel’s population but less than 1% of recent infections, according to Kovler’s analysis. This has brought new questions about whether natural infections are more protective against the delta variant than vaccinations — but the answer is not yet certain.

Normal humans doing normal things catching colds, getting, better living life, is infinitely better than state mandated shit corpratocracy chemical shit that lasts 30 seconds.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2021 11:53 am

I don’t begrudge NZ their stance so much, considering Australia’s defence policy has largely been to neglect maintaining military effectiveness and instead play at social justice games, but expect the US to immediately come to our rescue if anything happens.

What NZ might be seeming to be saying to us is the sort of thing we have been saying to the US for a long time.

cohenite
September 16, 2021 11:53 am

Arkysays:
September 16, 2021 at 11:29 am

I never asked the question, someone else did. I know you’re busy so I answered it for you. You’re welcome.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 16, 2021 11:54 am

Can I suggest that the first two nuclear submarines be named after Christopher Pyne and Adam Bandt?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 11:54 am

cohenitesays:

September 16, 2021 at 11:27 am

A question for Arky.
Would you prefer:-
1. A fleet of fully imported Virginia class subs at a cost of $50 billion; or
2. The Australian made artisan Pahn Class submarines at a cost of $90 billion?

The Virginia Class would be half that and the frog junk twice and obsolete by 2030

I was using the top end of Top Ender’s estimate of $3 – $4 bn per unit and his fleet number of 12.

Zipster
Zipster
September 16, 2021 11:55 am

“Thoroughly Modern Milley”

the bugmen class have always considered themselves the ultimate elite and natural rulers over the proles

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
September 16, 2021 11:56 am

I want to work in sector 7G of the new nucular industry.
And MasterChef, Sunnyvale edition

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
September 16, 2021 12:01 pm

Terrible mistake by SCommunist in the announcement, referring to President Biden when it should be President Trump.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 16, 2021 12:03 pm

Mater says:
September 16, 2021 at 9:44 am

Had to laugh.
In order to ban Doctors from prescribing Ivermectin for Covid, the TGA had to put it on the Poisons Standard.

It’s been in use for 40 years, and was the basis for a Nobel prize…now it’s officially a ‘poison’.

They will be busy banning Cancer Chemicals then!

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2021 12:04 pm

Can I suggest that the first two nuclear submarines be named after Christopher Pyne and Adam Bandt?

HMAS Mincing Poodle and HMAS Overgrown Child?

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 12:05 pm

Indolent:
I’m not sure about the truth of this, but if it is true then this is the essence of Corporate Fascism.

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 12:07 pm

Calli:

I vow to rule my subjects with humility and grace.

Here – have some of mine, I’ve a mountain of the stuff left unused for ages.

Rorschach
Rorschach
September 16, 2021 12:08 pm

I hope they realise ANZUS is now effectively redundant.

Yah … leave Arden to her belt and roads. But Japan, Sth Korea and maybe even India should be included in an anti-Chunk pact. [Oh what I would give if the next US president then includes Taiwan!]

miltonf
miltonf
September 16, 2021 12:13 pm

Pissy chrime was given his big break by none other than Vanstone.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2021 12:18 pm

Now we just need W88s.

Mater price up a BGM-109 with a W-88 inside.

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 12:19 pm

Knuckle Dragger:

You’d have about ten coppers who know anything at all about what they’re doing at each access point to the CBD, and that’s not counting foot traffic down the myriad of rail lines.

There will be about four of the positions being defended with the usual thugs and a backup of cameras – each one with the results being carefully edited to show the protesters in the worst light.

A sea of linked arms and sitting down protesters would be effective.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 12:25 pm

Why are you asking me that? The answer is obvious.

Because you constantly bemoan imports at the expense of locally made.

As is the fact that Australia will find a way to fuck up the Virginias.

The fuck-up factor would be common to either variant.
In fact, I would argue that the Virginia option (being largely a CoTS purchase) would be less prone to fuck ups and expensive variations than the bespoke FrogSubs.
Dutton’s next challenge will be to stop the Jobsworths in the RAN from “Australianising” the design.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 12:29 pm

Rorschachsays:
September 16, 2021 at 12:08 pm
I hope they realise ANZUS is now effectively redundant.

Yah … leave Arden to her belt and roads. But Japan, Sth Korea and maybe even India should be included in an anti-Chunk pact. [Oh what I would give if the next US president then includes Taiwan!]

The US, Japan, India and Australia are already linked in the QUAD Group.

Zipster
Zipster
September 16, 2021 12:30 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2021 12:32 pm

Apparently Karl Marx was a surfer. Or Lenin. Not sure which but one of them was a surfer. Trotsky?

Why surfing is an antidote to the relentless march of capitalism (Phys.org, 15 Sep)

In a world where transhumanists seek to use technology to save humanity, and even to even to defeat death, surfing reminds humans of our staggering insignificance before the irresistible force of the ocean—and nature in general.

Not exactly sure what that means, but after a few bongs and some waves it will become clearer.

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 12:34 pm

Moteliersays:
September 16, 2021 at 7:19 am

Why have UnZud and tha Canooks been left out?

Because President Trump didn’t give them a State Dinner

duncanmsays:
September 16, 2021 at 8:17 am

Wake to the joyous news of nuclear subs.

Strange world indeed!

May be not that strange.

Donald Trump spent his life working with builders, movers & shakers at all levels (why do so many forget about all those ‘Top End Ground Dwellers’), around the world, people who knew why the world was shit (having to swim through seas of shit to get anything worthwhile done), and genuinely wanting to make the world less shit.

He also had an exceptional record from Military College where though he excelled in leadership he was barely remembered because he was not a braggart but helped other make the most of themselves and would not abide bullying of the young & weak.

He also has more than a couple of languages he can listen to understandingly.

He did such a good job of mixing & mingling amongst the good & bad of many key Nations & power blocks that he managed to shoulder through the gates that were supposed to only let Hillary into the POTUS chair.

From there he managed to pull off many much needed ‘impossibilities’ even that great miracle of bringing Peace To The Middle East.

This drew out yet more enemies from within, desperate not to go down with him when all rules were thrown to winds in order to reinstall the the long standing Dictatorship that then promptly rushed to undo all Trump’s good works, especially making the Middle East a Waring Hell Hole again.

Now people forget that The Dictatorship tried to disqualify & remove Trump from the get go, yet he lasted out his term and is arguably more loved now than during his peak as sitting POTUS and still holds Trusted Friend Status with countless known & unknown Global movers & shakers.

Another thing people forget is that Xi is hated amongst Chinese Communist Party Members for his solid record of being Anti-Corruption, yet he remains Leader and now he is drawing China back into itself, & going hard against Western Wokeness, something the majority sane Westerners are also desperate to do away with.

As to ‘China’s’ ‘Social Credit’ system, again, it was Western Traitors who sold them all the technology with the intention of China bug testing it before it’s Global implementation.

Anyway, back to Trump; he’s now got all his old allies (minus a few tested harder & found wanting during his sitting Presidency), plus others further tested & made while siting POTUS, and he also has a greater security network and insights into way above top secret intelligence that he never had before he smashed the Dictatorship the first time.

He smashed it so hard that on top of M.E. Peace, he rallied, sent & led a massive 22 Nation Force to Central & South America to tackle the problem of fentanyl & other drugs used by the Cartels, Chinese Mafia, “Others”*cough* Frankie Baby & Co.*cough*, and the rest, to cripple once sound Nations.

Truth is the first casualty in War, but strategic deception not only wrong foots the enemy but also flushes out enemies within which means The Good Guys also Have To Lie, Convincingly.

In this, no doubt greatest of World Wars, when micro drones and other new tools of war we know about are but toys compared to the next generation technologies only few are privy to, nothing played out in public media can be taken at face value, yet there is still a need to have some things made known, that will keep up the morale of those being asked to take great risks (even to being recorded by history as traitors rather than heroes who will only be known to God), lest they grow weary of keeping the faith just when their heroics are most needed.

Malcolm Turnbull didn’t even have Donald Trump’s number to call & congratulate him for becoming POTUS.

Turnbull then got dumped and POTUS Trump gave Prime Minister Morrison a State Dinner.

Now Crazy Bad Biden did a Turnbull & forgot PM Morrison’s name when announcing one of Team Trump’s greatest accomplishments.

… and anyone who thinks this AUSUK deal was just cobbled together under Biden or even the work of Obama, Hillary & Co., should think again, deeply …

P.S. this Aussie Nuke Subs announcement is also the first time I’ve read mention of the deep sea technologies I wrote about very many years ago.

Arky
September 16, 2021 12:35 pm

Because you constantly bemoan imports at the expense of locally made.

..
Rightly so.
Cut off from the USA those subs won’t go to sea if we don’t have at least the minimum industrial capacity to maintain them.
Going nuclear propulsion is great.
Doing so without changing the things in education and trade which make us a fucking basket case might see you safely into your cold cold grave, but it isn’t going to see my girl into adulthood.

Arky
September 16, 2021 12:39 pm

Because you constantly bemoan imports at the expense of locally made.

..
You know, you really are fucking spastically stupid.
Even as a little pandemic calls into very real question for anyone with an IQ over 60 the wisdom of forty years of offshoring fucking everything to China, you’re still chirping away.
Seriously: fuck off you twat.

Bruce in WA
September 16, 2021 12:41 pm

For some of us “oldies” here, the OECD wants the government to put its mickey maulers even deeper into our wallets:

Retiree concessions under the microscope in OECD report
Report urges a review of the tax benefits for nest eggs and an increase in the GST.

The estimated cost of the nation’s ageing population – and suggested ‘solutions’ – has again come to the fore with the release of the Australia 2021 economic survey, the first OECD snapshot of the country in almost three years.

The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, headed by former finance minister Mathias Cormann, released the report on Wednesday and urges the federal government to outline its strategy to meet ageing-related costs.

It warns that our ageing population will result in lower tax revenue, “meaning the declining share of people in the labour market … will have significant implications for receipts”.

Among the key recommendations on the table, the report urges a review of the tax benefits afforded nest eggs over a certain size, an increase in the GST, a lowering of the capital gains tax discount, a cut in government red tape and stamp duty replaced with a land tax. It also highlights Australia’s lack of an inheritance tax.

The report says that Australia’s goods and services tax rate is “relatively low” compared with other OECD countries and raises a relatively small share of revenues.

“Over the past decade, revenues from the GST have been falling as a share of total taxes and will continue to do so if recent changes to the pattern of household consumption persist,” it says.

“Authorities should aim to increase the overall contribution of GST revenues to its tax mix once the economic recovery is firmly entrenched. However, careful consideration should be given to the distributional effects.”

According to an ABC fact check, the average rate of GST in OECD countries in 2015 was 19.2 per cent. Only three OECD countries had lower GST tax rates than Australia. It said that overall, Australia collects about 7.5 per cent of its GDP from taxes on goods and services, while the OECD average is 11 per cent.

The OECD report also says the federal government should consider reducing our “too generous” capital gains tax discount and tax concessions for private pensions, particularly those that favour high-income earners.

“For example, the annual concessional contributions cap could be lowered, and private pension earnings in retirement (untaxed for balances below $1.6 million) taxed at the same rate as private pension earnings before retirement.”

It adds that intra- and intergenerational inequalities are worsened because older and higher income households have a relatively high share of assets in pension funds and because Australia does not have an inheritance tax, after it was abolished at both the state and federal levels 40 years ago.

It also recommends state governments “replace stamp duty with a well-designed recurrent land tax”.

The OECD warns of the implication of bracket creep for average income earners, even with the legislated tax cuts. “Bracket creep is likely to result in the average personal tax rate of many workers rising over the period to 2030, especially those in the low to middle part of the income distribution,” it says.

Red tape was singled out as a drag on productivity, with pointed references to land use permit systems.

“Regulatory procedures are relatively complex and the licensing and permit system is cumbersome compared with other OECD countries,” it states. “As well as harmonising and simplifying the land-zoning system at the state level, giving local authorities more fiscal autonomy can encourage them to allow the entry of new businesses or households.”

Arky
September 16, 2021 12:41 pm

..and beforte you even start: NO the above is not support for Pyne class idiocy of union built Falcodoors.

Arky
September 16, 2021 12:41 pm

or

win
win
September 16, 2021 12:44 pm

John Skerritt and the TGA are denying life saving treatment. Is this Nationalised medicine at its most criminal? Is there no one who can hold these people to account?

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 12:50 pm

Old School Conservativesays:
September 16, 2021 at 9:49 am

Unbelievable positivity in The Australian comments about the sub news.

1. At the end of day, it’s your proper mates that matter. This is a spectacular achievement by Dutton. No doubt Albo, Tanya and Wong will now be in a panic with their best “maaaates” in the unions about how “unfair” it is to deal with those dastardly Americans. 998 likes
2. Best news I’ve read this year. 1136 likes
3. So this morning Xi Jin Ping is reaching for the Aspro’s and the luvvies around Australia are going into a spin. 798 likes

I thought I was doing well to crack 100 likes once.

🙂
… and as a related aside, can you image when all those Pro-Jab Dobber’s realise that all this modern tech that helps anyone become a Member of the Modern Global Stasi, is also the tech that Records them as those who can’t be trusted by their fellow countrymen? 😉

Matthew 12:37
[New King James Version]
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Note; “your” words, includes the words you put in other’s mouths but NOT the words others put in your mouth.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 16, 2021 12:57 pm

Part of the problem, not part of the solution…

Unions: Billions of dollars wasted, jobs now in doubt
Ewin Hannan
EWIN HANNAN

Unions have accused the Morrison Government of throwing into doubt the future of thousands of jobs by scrapping the $90 billion subs deal with French company Naval Group and giving “zero details on what will replace it”.

The Australian Shipbuilding Federation of Unions said the tripartite nuclear-powered submarine deal announced on Thursday raised critical questions for Australia’s shipbuilding industry.

ASFU national convenor Glenn Thompson said the Morrison Government needed to “fill in the gaps and show how this plan will deal with existing jobs, create secure jobs, and answer questions on what will happen over the next 18 months as consultation begins”.

The federation includes the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, the Australian Workers Union, the Electrical Trades Union, the Communications, Electrical and Plumbing Union in South Australia and Professionals Australia.

“The futures of thousands of workers’ jobs have been thrown into doubt in a 15-minute press conference in which three world leaders announced they were killing off a $90bn project with zero detail on what will replace it,” Mr Thompson said.

“We need the Morrison Government to come clean on the detail – on how this will create a sovereign industry capability, secure jobs and critically, what will happen with existing workers.”

Mr Thompson said “all we have is an empty promise that the nuclear-powered submarines will be built in Adelaide”.

“Right now, we don’t have that technology – what’s Morrison’s plan to build it and how many secure, reliable and ongoing jobs will it create?

“The Morrison Government has wasted billions of dollars on the French submarine deal, which will now be abandoned. After nearly a decade in power, the Liberals have failed our naval ship building industry.”

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 1:01 pm

Top Ender:

Senior federal ministers and their opposition counterparts were involved in top-secret talks in Canberra on Wednesday ahead of a major international announcement on Thursday morning.

Let me guess:
1. They will all announce a pay rise for themselves,
2. Announce they are immune from the Wuhan Zombie Virus and are allowed all their former privileges,
3. The Chocolate ration increased to 20 gram/week,
4. All the above.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 16, 2021 1:02 pm

Given the way the unions have entirely ruined our commercial ship-building and local sea-freight industries over the past fifty years, they can hardly squawk about “losing” these non-existent submarine building jobs in South Australia. No sympathy.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 16, 2021 1:04 pm

I reckon ScoMo’s announcement probably indicates the unofficial soft start of the next Federal election campaign.

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 1:04 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closuresays:
September 16, 2021 at 10:06 am

AUKUS is awkward to say.

Orcas. Or-cuss. Ore-cuss. Awkers.

🙂 I pictured it straight away.

Remember that ‘Free Willy’ the Orca movie images in it’s posters, the Obama “O” posters, and that Aussie Explosive Company, Orica’s symbol?

“Ah, the Orca’s Free to work in our waters now.”, was the first thing that sprang to my mind.

rosie
rosie
September 16, 2021 1:08 pm

Naughty construction workers though.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
September 16, 2021 1:12 pm

Unions: Billions of dollars wasted, jobs now in doubt

The wukkas will have to learn to code. Or go into lady sports

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 16, 2021 1:12 pm

The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, headed by former finance minister Mathias Cormann, released the report on Wednesday and urges the federal government to outline its strategy to meet ageing-related costs

Cormann, as head of the OECD: bites the hand that fed him.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2021 1:14 pm

Uranium stocks are going through the roof.

Good ole market manipulation fun!

Uranium Stocks Explode As WallStreetBets Goes Nuclear (13 Sep)

As Sprott Goes “Hunt Brothers” On Uranium, A Copycat Joins The Squeeze To Force An Explosive Move Higher (15 Sep)

The SEC is so going to totally nuke these guys it ain’t funny.

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 1:14 pm

miltonfsays:
September 16, 2021 at 9:54 am

Yes the decaying old thief is symbolic of the USA I’m sad to say. Worse than Brezhnev whom some compare him too.

Yeah but Brezhnev also preceded the break up of the USSR, sending the worst of the Oligarchs off trading the worst of their ways with the worst of the West & the rest, setting up their little oligarchies, while someone who knew the worst of their ways from the darkest parts of their God mocking power bases, went about calling people back to Church … while also using the methods he knew to work against the worst of Russia’s remaining enemies within.

Mater
September 16, 2021 1:23 pm

Does this mean it can’t even be prescribed as an antiparisitic?

It can be, DB.
Strict guidelines (and which specialists can do it) now apply to this poison.

Zipster
Zipster
September 16, 2021 1:23 pm
John H.
John H.
September 16, 2021 1:30 pm

Recently I asked someone why housing prices are booming. I was advised that part of the reason is that the RBA is injecting billions into the economy. I thought that had ended. Can someone please explain to me how and why the RBA is still injecting cash into the economy. Also, doesn’t that paint an unrealistic picture of how well the Australian economy is doing?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2021 1:31 pm

Strict guidelines (and which specialists can do it) now apply to this poison.

GP: Are you a horse?
Patient: Yes.
GP: Here’s your script.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 1:33 pm

John H

Also, doesn’t that paint an unrealistic picture of how well the Australian economy is doing?

Treasury needs such a picture to justify its preferred policies.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 16, 2021 1:35 pm

An expert submariner Opynes:

As recently as March , former Liberal defence minister Christopher Pyne said the diesel Attack class submarines to be constructed for Australia by France’s Naval Group were a better choice, partly because Australia did not have a nuclear power industry.

“Then there is the nonsensical argument that the Attack class submarines are no good because they aren’t nuclear,” he said.

“Almost all of these arguments are driven by people who either know nothing at all about submarines and defence or have outdated information that is no longer relevant.”

Hard to argue with that.
Full steam ahead…

cohenite
September 16, 2021 1:35 pm

miltonfsays:
September 16, 2021 at 12:13 pm
Pissy chrime was given his big break by none other than Vanstone.

And fatty vanstone released the suds on us as well.

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 1:43 pm

Feelthebern:

VicPol hinting at using water cannons and permanent dye on protestors.

Is there a definite colour, or a range of them for the water cannon?
I’d hate – just positively hate – to turn up in something that clashed.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 16, 2021 1:44 pm

pissy chrime must be checking for black hands..

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2021 1:45 pm

I’d hate – just positively hate – to turn up in something that clashed.

But that would be the headline on the news, ACA etc.

“Protesters clashed…”

jupes
jupes
September 16, 2021 1:45 pm

Moylan to his shame defended the frog subs. I wonder what he’ll say now.

Nothing but a political hack. Also defended Turnbull’s climate change idiocy.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 16, 2021 1:46 pm

Winston Smith says:
September 16, 2021 at 1:43 pm

surely the water cannon will spray rainbow colors.

John H.
John H.
September 16, 2021 1:48 pm

Feelthebern:

VicPol hinting at using water cannons and permanent dye on protestors.

What is going on down there? Last night on Sky News I saw a clip of council workers placing huge concrete blocks on skateways to stop children using them. The stoppage of public transport into the city to prevent the protest is outrageous. Permanent dye is a marker to indicate you are untermensch.

jupes
jupes
September 16, 2021 1:48 pm

“Almost all of these arguments are driven by people who either know nothing at all about submarines and defence or have outdated information that is no longer relevant.”

I remember that arse-bandit on Bolta telling us that US subs can’t operate in both the Pacific and Indian oceans because they have different temperatures.

Moron.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 1:50 pm

Can’t see any legacy media shitting on the US leg of the sub deal.
They are so scared of being critical of the Biden administration.
Hence all the what about the poor frogs.
Zero diversity of opinion.

Baba
Baba
September 16, 2021 1:50 pm

GP: Are you a horse?
Patient: Yes, I’m a little hoarse.
GP: Here’s your script.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 16, 2021 1:50 pm

All Scott Morrison has to do now, is sell off the A.B.C, and he’ll be in power forever.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 16, 2021 1:50 pm

M.Micron’s Government is très furious about AUKWARD.

Decision to drop the submarine program “leads to the removal of an ally & European partner [at a time of] unprecedented challenges in the Indo-Pacific…Only reinforces the need [for] European strategic autonomy”.

Merde alors…

John H.
John H.
September 16, 2021 1:55 pm

jupessays:
September 16, 2021 at 1:48 pm
“Almost all of these arguments are driven by people who either know nothing at all about submarines and defence or have outdated information that is no longer relevant.”

To my knowledge the USA doesn’t have any sub facilities in the region so I think part of the benefit is because it allows the subs to move into to the Indian Ocean and blockade Chinese shipping from Africa and the M.E. without having to traverse through potentially Chinese controlled waters. It would also allow for supporting India because there are reports Chinese ships and subs have been mapping the Indian ocean floor. So I’m not sure if this so much about Australia obtaining the subs as it is allowing the USA to have another facility to further encircle China.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 1:57 pm

Decision to drop the submarine program “leads to the removal of an ally & European partner [at a time of] unprecedented challenges in the Indo-Pacific…Only reinforces the need [for] European strategic autonomy”.

If “strategic autonomy” means, among other things, that the Europeans will finally pay for their own defence I think we can chalk this up as a massive strategic victory for Biden on two fronts.

Yes, that was hard to type.

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 2:07 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

Milley needs a court, a judge and a long walk.

But first he needs a long, long, session with a wet tea towel.
Just how much has he cost the people of the US?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 16, 2021 2:08 pm

John Skerritt and the TGA are denying life saving treatment. Is this Nationalised medicine at its most criminal? Is there no one who can hold these people to account?

Has John Skerritt made good his threat to sue Clive Palmer and Craig Kelly? Has he served the writ yet? Or is he all mouth and no spine?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 16, 2021 2:09 pm

Milley Vanilley – has he dealt with his white rage yet?

Old bloke
Old bloke
September 16, 2021 2:10 pm

sfw says:
September 16, 2021 at 7:18 am

Good on you SFW, strength to your arm.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
September 16, 2021 2:13 pm

It does sound a little like ‘Only Nixon can go to China’. Taking the opportunity of a Biden Democrat government to sort the subs and add to regional security is a neat way to dampen the howls over this move.

Old bloke
Old bloke
September 16, 2021 2:13 pm

cohenite says:
September 16, 2021 at 11:21 am

Uranium stocks are going through the roof.

Two of the UAP’s policies were go nuclear subs and nuclear power generation in Australia. Does Clive own any uranium mines?

Woolfe
Woolfe
September 16, 2021 2:15 pm

Latest Ozzie Cossack Burwood Local Court: “Not Guilty” to 12 Police charges. Riot Police on the scene! Such is Life!

Can you believe the “Riot Squad” call themselves Raptors? Do they have the mental age of 10? Why yes, they probably do.

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 2:16 pm

Doc Faustus:

Presumably the parts of S Korea’s bomb-in-the-basement are all laid out neatly on the assembly bench.

And the heavy bits are being turned regularly to prevent gravity distortion occurring.

Franx
Franx
September 16, 2021 2:18 pm

The cfmeu will protest, I think, so maybe no water canons there.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 2:24 pm

I wonder if all the consultants on the French sub deal get to keep their commissions ?

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 2:24 pm

Woke Milley’s Nuclear Coup

[Trump Calls For TREASON Trial]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iva_A160OQo

Sep 16, 2021
The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 16, 2021 2:34 pm

sfwsays:
September 16, 2021 at 7:18 am

Good on you sfw I hope you are in my electorate

JMH
JMH
September 16, 2021 2:38 pm

surely the water cannon will spray rainbow colors.

Re the demo – I reckon one overlooked strategy, once gathered in large numbers, is to just sit down and stay sat down. Just imagine the visuals of Vic-stasi using water cannon on thousands of seated protesters. Better – it would take the black shirts a week to drag off thousands of protesters, one by one.

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 2:42 pm

Cassie:

Yes…but whilst we’re measuring the “contemptible” barometer, I think Morrison is contemptible. I think the behaviour of all major parties…..Liberals, Labor, Nationals and Greens over the last twenty years has actually been contemptible. Actually, it’s been despicable.

Damn straight, Cassie.
Deserves more than just a ‘like’.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 16, 2021 2:45 pm

Is it worse to be an ex-Lieboral staffer or an accused r@pist?

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 2:47 pm

Boambee John:

I wonder what promotions and plum postings he received under Obummer?

I wonder indeed.
In fact I would assume anyone promoted during that era should be dismissed and replaced by those who had the guts to retire/quit.
Sometimes the surgeon must sacrifice good tissue to get rid of the cancer.

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 2:52 pm

As to the “fake news” comment of Trump’s that Carl & Callum have trouble with in this –

Woke Milley’s Nuclear Coup

[Trump Calls For TREASON Trial]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iva_A160OQo

Sep 16, 2021
The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

I explain a lot of it here – https://newcatallaxy.blog/2021/09/14/open-thread-tues-14-sept-2021/comment-page-5/#comment-17626

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 16, 2021 2:53 pm

Can I suggest that the first two nuclear submarines be named after Christopher Pyne and Adam Bandt?

At least you would be assured they were full of seamen. Good thinking.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 2:55 pm

I’m so old, I remember when the 90bill subs were only 40bill subs.

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 2:55 pm

Eyrie:

and use the excess nuke power when not needed to desalinate water.

No.
The desalinators are purely the bastard child of AGW and Subsidy Miners. They will continue to cost billions to keep running or even be brought up to scratch.
Let the Board Managers explain to the investors (Superannuates) just how they got the Funds into the scams.
Perhaps the investors will scream loudly enough the Trustees will be dismissed and perhaps gaoled for their incompetence. Perhaps the new Trustees will never decide to go along with this sort of stupidity and outright economic vandalism ever again.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 2:59 pm

The Pyne submarine would love the docking procedure.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 16, 2021 3:01 pm

VicPol hinting at using water cannons and permanent dye on protestors.

Smurf up Victoriastanis.

cohenite
September 16, 2021 3:06 pm

There will be a half page ad in tomorrow’s Australian by Alan Moran and his group about the bullshit of alarmism. Keep an eye out for it.

duncanm
duncanm
September 16, 2021 3:06 pm

Australian nuclear-powered submarines will be banned from entering New Zealand’s waters, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed.

try and catch us at it, horseface.

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 3:14 pm

Re: De-Salination Plants, Wind Farms & other Green Boondoggles –

One thing that can be said for them is that while Global Green Anti-Humanity Loons have been savagely putting the breaks on everything that healthy Nations need, their pet Green Projects have at least kept generations of Western men’s Trade Skills practiced and further developed.

This means we have a working army that can jump straight into vital, geo & mechanical engineering, logistic and other real world projects.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 3:18 pm

John H

To my knowledge the USA doesn’t have any sub facilities in the region so I think part of the benefit is because it allows the subs to move into to the Indian Ocean and blockade Chinese shipping from Africa and the M.E.

I’m pretty sure I have seen reports of US nuclear subs berthing at HMAS STIRLING (years ago).

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 3:24 pm

Also, I am not sure what they have at Diego Garcia.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 16, 2021 3:27 pm

The HMAS Hanson-Young.

The ultimate stealth weapon.
Is it a sub or a TV series?
Chinese fleet Commander:
“I’ve seen this one, it’s series 2.”
Boooom.
“Bugger”

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 3:33 pm

Part of the French sub deal was the substantial infrastructure that was being built to service them.
Does this mean that there will be substantial US footprint in South Australia?
So a Marine base in northern QLD.
And a big US footprint in SA.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 16, 2021 3:34 pm

If you must have windmills desalination isn’t a bad use for the output. Not time sensitive and easy to store. Still doesn’t make it economic I suspect.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 3:40 pm

I’m old enough to remember when the media cheered on mobs harassing the Aussie franchise owners of a French bakery chain because of the nukes being tested in the pacific.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 3:43 pm

The capacity these pricks have to blurt tax payer money up against the wall never ceases to amaze me.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 16, 2021 3:49 pm

sfwsays:
September 16, 2021 at 7:18 am

Well done, sfw!

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 3:50 pm

Top Ender:

The Americans have a useful expression for such an outline as given above. It’s called a “no-brainer”. It means this solution is so obvious and simple and straightforward it’s obvious. But why not add something else that we may gain. With the American’s designer’s permission, build our own Virginia class boats number 9-12 under licence. Even if the USA supplied the complete engine package, that would represent another remarkable step-up for this country. As the Americans also say: “don’t ask, don’t get.”

Your suggestion to build #9 – 12 in Australia would be worthwhile only if a new manufacturing complex and port were to be manned and maintained semi remote to a major city, notwithstanding a small city will arise around it. Most importantly, it must be free of Union activity and influence, and have that immunity guaranteed for ever.
No more of the dock wukkas destrying fighter aircraft from the US because they weren’t allowed to plunder ships stores, no more stealing radio equipment leading to the loss of a squadron of US aircraft and their pilots, no more kitbags slashed open and looted, and no more tanks destined for a combat zone having essential tools being lifted.
The treason on the docks must be stopped and there is too much opportunity for these practices to cost us the lives of our submariners.
“Faulty Welds R Us” for a slab of beer is our motto.

John H.
John H.
September 16, 2021 3:51 pm

Boambee Johnsays:
September 16, 2021 at 3:24 pm
Also, I am not sure what they have at Diego Garcia.

I was wondering about that myself. It is not just the berthing of the ships but also the servicing of subs. Strategically it makes a lot of sense, especially given China has a naval port facility in Pakistan and some military facilities in Africa. Given various warnings about war with China in the next decade I can’t see how we will acquire the subs in time to be of benefit.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 3:56 pm

Michael Malice 30min interview with Maxime Bernier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JixJ9IlAiu4

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
September 16, 2021 3:56 pm

Latest Ozzie Cossack

All the plod in his videos are shit scared of Gulag Gladys’ mask mandate being revoked.
Imagine having their full face plastered over the internet where they can much more easily be recognised than by just a small name badge.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 3:58 pm

Winston, did you see the TIK video on Operation Keelhaul ?

dopey
dopey
September 16, 2021 4:03 pm

A new base for the subs at Point Piper ?

sylvester the cat
sylvester the cat
September 16, 2021 4:05 pm

The law of “unintended consequences” or the law of “no one expected that” will ensure that while vikplod is beating the bejeezuz out of grannies and pregnant women, a real nasty evil will turn up elsewhere while plod is busy with those danged protesters.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 16, 2021 4:05 pm

Can I suggest that the first two nuclear submarines be named after Christopher Pyne and Adam Bandt?

Nucs don’t do Astern Probe Refueling.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 16, 2021 4:06 pm

Is Waffles wearing his life jacket now?

Shame.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 4:10 pm

QLD “assisted dying” laws passed by 61-30, with one abstention and one absence due to border closures.

Now voting on the deputy Opposition leader’s 54 proposed amendments.

cohenite
September 16, 2021 4:17 pm

Pompeo prevaricates when Hannity asks him whether he agreed with milley’s actions against Trump.

shatterzzz
September 16, 2021 4:19 pm

QLD “assisted dying” laws passed by 61-30, with one abstention and one absence due to border closures.
Now voting on the deputy Opposition leader’s 54 proposed amendments.

54 amendments .. how bloody long is the bill?

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2021 4:22 pm

“feelthebernsays:
September 16, 2021 at 3:56 pm
Michael Malice 30min interview with Maxime Bernier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JixJ9IlAiu4

Will listen later….I’m a big fan of Bernier…hopefully he’ll do well this weekend.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 4:22 pm

54 amendments .. how bloody long is the bill?

More to the point…how bad is the Bill?

For one thing, Palaszczuk is seeking to compel faith based institutions to comply.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 16, 2021 4:37 pm

Ok have reached the peak of work via death and destruction…

Am Acting Mine manager for the next few days…

No extra money, but I am legally responsible for anything that stuffs up on site…

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 16, 2021 4:39 pm

No extra money, but I am legally responsible for anything that stuffs up on site…

Good luck

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 4:46 pm

Jupes:

I remember that arse-bandit on Bolta telling us that US subs can’t operate in both the Pacific and Indian oceans because they have different temperatures.

Thanks for the correction.
I initially thought it was due to higher sea levels in the Indian and Atlantic Oceans because the efforts of Greater Chinerr to keep its emissions down meant the height of the water in the Pacific was lower and therefore exerted less pressure on the submarine hulls.

Woolfe
Woolfe
September 16, 2021 4:58 pm
P
P
September 16, 2021 5:03 pm

Queensland’s assisted dying bill is riddled with flaws
Victoria’s legislation was bad. Queensland’s is even more extreme.
Fr Frank Brennan SJ

Father Frank Brennan SJ AO is rector of Newman College at the University of Melbourne. A native Queenslander, he studied law in Queensland and was admitted to practice there. His grandfather was a member of the Queensland parliament.

rosie
rosie
September 16, 2021 5:03 pm

problem of fentanyl & other drugs used by the Cartels, Chinese Mafia, “Others”*cough* Frankie Baby & Co.*cough*, and the rest, to cripple once sound Nations.

Who is ‘Frankie Baby & Co’?

You wouldn’t by any chance be claiming that the Catholic Church is in the business of destroying lives by being an active part of the illicit drug trade?

Bons
September 16, 2021 5:07 pm

Frolicking – what’s that sound?

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 16, 2021 5:14 pm
Bons
September 16, 2021 5:15 pm

And in parallel with AUKUS, the Stasi Bitch is attempting to do to Europe with China what she did to Europe with Russia.
The free pass the media has given that Marxist traitor underpins all of Europe’s problems.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 16, 2021 5:28 pm

No extra money, but I am legally responsible for anything that stuffs up on site…

Suddenly all those BS training days and manuals don’t look so bad.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 16, 2021 5:29 pm

I went to the greens site to see if they had any chooks flying out their assess over the nuke subs.

Nothing official yet, but I came across this gem on their front page.

Bant looks like a homeless chap offering head jobs in an alleyway just so he has something warm in his guts.

https://youtu.be/d3NUQsjoZCo

Then there is their “15 big ideas for the future”

a couple.

Fight the climate emergency with 700% renewable energy
A national jobs and income guarantee for all
Build a million homes and give renters real rights

Bons
September 16, 2021 5:31 pm

Invisible obvious that the ABC (and probably SBS) will provide pulpit for Turnbull to attack over the sub division. If we are lucky, the ABC will loose control and launch unrestricted warfare against the Govt that even the LNP will have to respond to.
The cavelcade of lovers appearing on ABC will be spectacular. 50 years of dogma binned, Gough’s memory slighted.
Wonderful.

Old bloke
Old bloke
September 16, 2021 5:32 pm
Baba
Baba
September 16, 2021 5:33 pm

QLD “assisted dying” laws passed by 61-30

Well, if they save just one life….

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 16, 2021 5:37 pm

Bonssays:
September 16, 2021 at 5:07 pm
Frolicking – what’s that sound?

Its qui….
Hold on you dont get me to say the jinx word that easily..

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 16, 2021 5:40 pm

fentanyl & other drugs used by the Cartels, Chinese Mafia, “Others”*cough* Frankie Baby & Co.*cough*, and the rest, to cripple once sound Nations.

Crippling them, naturally, by removing their children, Pied Piper-style.

For use in the tunnels.

Which are of course Random And Unnecessary Capital Letter Mines And Red Leather Shoe Factories Hiding In Plain Sight You Sheeple And I Forewarned Of This Years And Years Ago.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 16, 2021 5:47 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
September 16, 2021 5:48 pm

Now that you mention it my shoes are missing. Thanks for the heads up.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 16, 2021 5:50 pm

Laura Ingraham show on US Fox.
Chortling with dismay at Dementia Joe forgetting the name of the Prime Minister of Australia.
Then followed by a clip of him being taken off air before another senior moment.
Get those boats here toot sweet!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2021 5:51 pm

Well done Elon.

SpaceX @SpaceX
Second phasing burn complete. Dragon and the @inspiration4x crew have reached a circular orbit of 585km – a new Dragon altitude record
12:58 PM · Sep 16, 2021

SpaceX @SpaceX
Falcon 9’s first stage booster has landed on the Just Read the Instructions droneship!
10:14 AM · Sep 16, 2021

Have a nice trip touristy peoples!

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 5:54 pm

Interesting article at UnHerd Only Chaos Can Redeem the (Anglican) Church.

Focuses on th difference between “spider “organisations (intensely hierarchical) and “starfish” organisations (distributed). The lessons have wider application, Arky might enjoy the article.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 5:56 pm

Which are of course Random And Unnecessary Capital Letter Mines And Red Leather Shoe Factories Hiding In Plain Sight You Sheeple And I Forewarned Of This Years And Years Ago.

Red leather shoes on pizzas.
I knew it!

rosie
rosie
September 16, 2021 6:11 pm

Possibly red leather shoes cunningly disguised as pizzas.
Delivered, as always by purposeful spy dolphins.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2021 6:26 pm

Seconded.

Vale Cyril Barwick (Ncl local news, 16 Sep)

A man believed to be Quirindi’s oldest resident has died, at the age of 104.

Here is a story about Cyril’s WW2 service:

When World War Two began, Cyril enlisted and served time in the Middle East, around Palestine, Egypt and Libya, then later Papua New Guinea.

“I should have been dead about 500 times, that’s part of life, I don’t know if its pre-conceived or what,” he laughs. But Cyril did survive the war, he even survived eating camel meat while stationed in Africa.

“We were a small party, and we ran out of food. We went to a butcher and procured a bit of camel meat, that’s all that was available at the time.”
Cyril says he wouldn’t recommend it.
“It took me three weeks to get the nasty taste out of my mouth. Boiled camel, it’s the worst I have ever tasted,” he laughs.

He was still fighting the Japanese in late 1945 and lived to be 104. I dips my hat, sir.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 6:31 pm

Laura Ingraham show on US Fox. Chortling with dismay at Dementia Joe forgetting the name of the Prime Minister of Australia.

I think we can give Joe a pass on this.

He’s simultaneously shown Xi we won’t be pushed around and prompted the Europeans to take another step down the road of looking to their own defence and paying for it.

The Anglosphere is not dead yet.

A slip of memory from a septuagenerian is small beer in context.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 16, 2021 6:38 pm

Of themselves, dementia Joe’s mistakes are no big deal.

That he is there at all is frightening.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 16, 2021 6:44 pm

The agreement “seriously undermines regional peace and stability and intensifies the arms race”, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told a regular press briefing.

Oh fuck off.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 6:46 pm

Of themselves, dementia Joe’s mistakes are no big deal.

That he is there at all is frightening.

Indeed; but it’s not going to be all bad.

Whatever is good we can be thankful for.

And nuclear subs -and all that they entail, which I expect will be unfolded slowly – are good!

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 6:47 pm

The agreement “seriously undermines regional peace and stability and intensifies the arms race”, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told a regular press briefing.

Only the ABC would take that seriously.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 6:49 pm

Roger at 6:31.
Something to thank Orange Man for.
He put it squarely on the agenda that it was OK to tell the Euros to pay their own way on defence.
I mean, seriously?
The USA doing the heavy lifting on NATO 75 years after WW2 ended?
Frogs are hopping mad over being dudded on the subs.
Here’s a tip.
Treating us as being hog-tied by the Pahn-Trumble folly and ratcheting up the price by $2 bn a month was always going to end in tears.

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2021 6:52 pm

bother

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 6:54 pm

A question, perhaps for Top Ender.
Could these subs be “fitted for, but not with” nuclear weapons?
Perhaps with one eye on a quick conversion if required in the future.
I’ll bet that if the yellow peril crossed the Murray and was marching on Brunswick, even Adam Bandit might consider that dropping a couple of nukes on some Chinese cities could be an option.

JC
JC
September 16, 2021 6:58 pm

The agreement “seriously undermines regional peace and stability and intensifies the arms race”, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told a regular press briefing.

This would concern them. If you look at the map, their access to deep water is very restricted, which means sub warfare lying in waiting could destroy their navy. Their next possible way to attack us would be through intercontinental missiles.

That Jo
That Jo
September 16, 2021 7:01 pm

So Dan has mandated jabs for construction workers by 23rd Sept, or they are not able to work.

How do we get out of this? We have NO choice now? What if we have no choice but to work?

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2021 7:04 pm

So Dan has mandated jabs for construction workers by 23rd Sept, or they are not able to work.

How do we get out of this? We have NO choice now? What if we have no choice but to work?

The simple way out for them ALL to simply stop working. I think Darling Dan might then have second thoughts. Actually, this is what is happening around America, nurses here, police there. They all have heft if they stick together.

rosie
rosie
September 16, 2021 7:04 pm

Huge, if true.
Indeed.

JC
JC
September 16, 2021 7:04 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
September 16, 2021 at 6:54 pm

A question, perhaps for Top Ender.
Could these subs be “fitted for, but not with” nuclear weapons?
Perhaps with one eye on a quick conversion if required in the future.

You know, 25 million vs 1.2 billion doesn’t sound good for the smaller number… us. However, having a serious sub fleet and ICBMs that would hit Chinese cities and those fuckers are toast. Hit that Gorges Dam and 300 to 400 million of the fuckers are dead with a good swag of arable land flooded. Then hit the big cities.The sub would choke off access to deep water.

Australia wouldn’t have to lose a war with China. We could stalemate the fuckers which would be like winning.

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 7:05 pm

These people are ridiculous. “Othering” and demonising in the here and now, weeping for the past.

Spoken without a scintilla of irony.

most important is that we have a forum where we can engage in robust and vociferous disagreements.

Spoken without a scintilla of irony

.

Matthew 12:37
[New King James Version]
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Note; “your” words, includes the words you put in other’s mouths but NOT the words others put in your mouth.

Harlequin Decline
September 16, 2021 7:07 pm

Excellent news on the subs.

It has avoided what would have been the biggest debacle in Defence Procurement.

The contract will have ‘Termination for Convenience’ clauses which should read something like ‘audited costs plus 10%’

The negotiations over the costs incurred will keep lawyers and accountants busy for the next 5 years.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 7:07 pm

Roger at 6:31.

Something to thank Orange Man for.

Bigly.

Crossie
Crossie
September 16, 2021 7:07 pm

It amuses me that people who thought nothing of throwing away 400+ billion on lockdowns are now worried about the cost of nuclear submarines.

JC
JC
September 16, 2021 7:08 pm

Crossie says:
September 16, 2021 at 7:07 pm

LOL.. so, so true.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 16, 2021 7:09 pm

Oooh JC, I thought I was the only one with such evil thoughts re Three Gorges Dam. I reckon China is in a world of trouble internally, but that’s no reason to treat them nicely on the world stage.

Crossie
Crossie
September 16, 2021 7:10 pm

It also amuses me that visiting US nuclear powered aircraft carriers are OK to dock in Woolloomooloo but our own nuclear submarines are not OK at Garden Island.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 7:12 pm

The simple way out for them ALL to simply stop working. I think Darling Dan might then have second thoughts. Actually, this is what is happening around America, nurses here, police there. They all have heft if they stick together.

I believe the relevant union(s) have come out against him.

In QLD if a Labor Premier loses the confidence of the unions she’s in serious trouble.

What pertains in Victoria?

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2021 7:15 pm

It amuses me that people who thought nothing of throwing away 400+ billion on lockdowns are now worried about the cost of nuclear submarines.

And there was Barrie Cassidy today twittering his frets about the cost of exiting the French contract.

cohenite
September 16, 2021 7:18 pm

Their next possible way to attack us would be through intercontinental missiles.

Or continuing to immigrate and swamp us with numbers plus buying up all our infrastructure.

Crossie
Crossie
September 16, 2021 7:19 pm

The simple way out for them ALL to simply stop working. I think Darling Dan might then have second thoughts. Actually, this is what is happening around America, nurses here, police there. They all have heft if they stick together.

Indolent, from what I read nurses in the US are walking off the job rather than be vaccinated and putting hospitals in a bind. Here in Sydney it’s the isolation of all nursing staff who came into contact with Covid patients taking too many of them away from work which is leaving hospitals short staffed and unable to function normally.

I wonder how many NSW nurses are not vaccinated and slowing everything down even more.

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 7:20 pm

Feelthebern:

Winston, did you see the TIK video on Operation Keelhaul ?

Yes.
It reminded me a claim in a book by a British Captain that Churchill et al were quite aware of what was going on. The Captain of a ship that was ferrying PoWs back to Yugoslavia reported his ship having to plough through a carpet of bodies as the Yugoslav Partisans were slaughtering every one as they were dragged off the ship. This included entire families brought to the port from the interior. Apparently the officers were killing their wives and children because they were aware of their fate

Crossie
Crossie
September 16, 2021 7:21 pm

Andrew Bolt is interviewing Annalise Nielsen, that vapid twit they sent to report from Washington. I had to change channel, anything is better than that even the cartoon channel.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2021 7:22 pm

Brushtail possum arrives with kid. He’s male and bulletproof.

Mum gets a piece of bread and kid gets a small bit all for himself. Which he grabs with both paws like it’s the best thing in the universe. I disengage fingers before they get eaten too, and turn to go inside. This panics kid, so he drops his bit of bread and scarpers up the camellia. So I go inside and get another small bit of bread and wait…cautiously he comes back down and grabs the next best thing in the universe. I disengage fingers, again, and go back inside.

Come out again some minutes later with a carrot. Carrots are the best things in the universe. Break the end off for kid and give most of it to mum, who is happily having dinner quietly whilst being erratically orbited by an elemental source of chaos.

Kid appears. Having eaten his replacement bit of bread he’s gone down and found the first bit he’d dropped. Neat trick, I feel scammed. He goes up to the roof and eats it like a starving hyena, then a short time later returns to see what mum is loudly chomping on: a carrot, the best thing in the universe.

I then wave the bit of carrot I’d kept in front of him. Gets his attention. Carrot!! Grabs it. Wow all for me! I must take this to someplace safe!

I say to kid (yes I did say this): “try not to drop it this ti…”

Kid at this point leaps for another branch with awesome bit of carrot, misses the branch, falls half a metre, catches the next branch down by the tips of his fingernails…and drops carrot lump.

Chaos truly is a young male brushtail possum kiddie. I go inside, close the door and let him work out about this thing called gravity.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2021 7:27 pm

“Andrew Bolt is interviewing Annalise Nielsen, that vapid twit they sent to report from Washington. I had to change channel, anything is better than that even the cartoon channel.”

I turned the volume down…..she’s such a dunce. However she doesn’t offend me as much as Sheridan the Derro…..whom Credlin had on to opine about the sub deal….last night Sheridan the Derro was speaking up for Milley.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 16, 2021 7:29 pm

I reckon China is in a world of trouble internally

Something hinky is happening in property development.

cohenite
September 16, 2021 7:33 pm

Correction. Alan Moran’s ad about alarmism to appear in the Australian is tomorrow week.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 16, 2021 7:34 pm

Cohenite @ 06:48pm.

FMD – an old bloke with a pocket knife on his belt getting charged by woke insipid plod.
Fucking disgusting,
As a kid, everyone carried a pocket knife. No flash pouches to strap on your belt though. It just went in your kick.
This country is fucked and if the magistrate doesn’t dismiss the charge fires should be lit.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2021 7:41 pm

I reckon China is in a world of trouble internally

That may well be the case.

Competition Secured: China’s Evergrande Commits To Be World’s “Largest, Most Powerful” EV Maker In 3-5 Years (Aug 2020)

Evergrande Denies Rumors Of Bankruptcy As Crisis Boils Over, Social Unrest Breaks Out Across China (14 Sep)

Evergrande Suspends Trading In All Bonds (15 Sep)

Earlier today we pointed out that in what can (obviously) only be a remarkable coincidence, China’s largest, and most systematically important real estate developer, China Evergrande (and its $300+ billion in debt), collapsed on the 13th anniversary of Lehman’s bankruptcy filing, when Beijing told Evergrande’s creditor banks that the insolvent company, which recently hired Houlihan Lokey as bankruptcy advisor, would not pay interest on its debt next week, nor would it repay principal, in effect blessing the coming default.

Lehman Brothers’ debt was roughly twice as big as Evergrande’s, although given the opaque nature of Chinese companies they may in reality turn out to be similar in size, once the dust settles. Lehman Brothers’ collapse caused the GFC. Oops.

Winston Smith
September 16, 2021 7:43 pm

HZ Housewife:

Oooh JC, I thought I was the only one with such evil thoughts re Three Gorges Dam. I reckon China is in a world of trouble internally, but that’s no reason to treat them nicely on the world stage.

The issue with the Three Gorgeous Dams is that while they would inundate a bloody big slice of Chinerrs croplands, it will also damage the lower reaches of the river system.

Crossie
Crossie
September 16, 2021 7:43 pm

I turned the volume down…..she’s such a dunce. However she doesn’t offend me as much as Sheridan the Derro…..whom Credlin had on to opine about the sub deal….last night Sheridan the Derro was speaking up for Milley.

Cassie yes, Sheridan was awful last night. It seems Trump is/was terrible and therefore anything anyone around him does, no matter how egregious, must be excused. Trump made Milley betray his country to the communist Chinese.

Crossie
Crossie
September 16, 2021 7:50 pm

Lately Australian prime ministers really don’t have much luck with American presidents. First Trump called Malcolm Michael Trumble and now Biden completely forgot Morrison’s name. Trump’s misnomer was probably on purpose, somebody must have told him Turnbull hates him. Biden forgetting is real dementia.

Entropy
Entropy
September 16, 2021 7:53 pm

the main reason we could not just junk the paper diesel version and just go with the barracuda is that it would be impossible to include France in the alliance. Just think of the acronym

AFUKUS

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 16, 2021 7:53 pm

Sancho, from memory the Tomahawk missile which any subs would use can be fitted with a nuclear warhead.

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