Open Thread – Weekend 2 Oct 2021


The Calling of Saint Matthew, Caravaggio, 1600

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incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 3, 2021 3:30 pm

Objections to nuclear subs disappear as soon as a credible maritime threat emerges. Surprise!
Same with all the unicorn green ideas. “Ain’t it nice.” Until necessity requires something real.

shatterzzz
October 3, 2021 3:32 pm

Might be a sign of the times .. local BAT FLU drive-in Fairfield closed today .. over the past 10 days riding past it, daily at around 10.30am, I’ve only seen a total of 4 cars, all up ……….!

Arky
October 3, 2021 3:36 pm

Sticking everything onto the grid is dumb.
After the first major western country has it’s grid fall over and it’s too late, people will go “Shit, I want my petrol car back”.
Too bad, dickheads, all those old second hand petrol cars will go the same place all the wreckers parts have over the last two years: The Middle East.
You didn’t know that was happening? all over the west, auto wreckers have been boxing up parts and sending them to Dubai.
That’s right, you’ll be without transport or power, and the Arabs will be driving your old car on cheap petrol.
SUCKERS.

Zipster
October 3, 2021 3:36 pm

I see the problem. You mistakenly believe that costs, metallurgy and technology will drive outcomes. It won’t and doesn’t. Not now. Politics will, and that will win out.

the idea of buying into musk’s mobile blast furnaces has not been overly positive for me, but now we are talking about a 2 sec car!!, I starts to takes notice. self driving that is becoming reasonably good also has some appeal.

If they can overcome the blast furnace problem….

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 3, 2021 3:43 pm

Sticking everything onto the grid is dumb.

A sufficiently rich country can do all manner of stupid things and will. Until the consequences catch up and it stops being a rich country.

See Argentina, and Venezuela. We’re the next horrible example.

srr
srr
October 3, 2021 3:47 pm

Yes areff, with everyone so careful to declare, “I’m not a doctor. Get your medical advice from a doctor.”, the 3AW woman not only tells people they don’t know how to tell if they should see a doctor, she contradicts the standard doctors office message of, “If you have chest pains etc. Hang Up & Ring 000!”

BTW, the “20 people an HOUR are presenting at Emergency with Chest Pains & other problems AFTER Jabs”, was at just ONE Melbourne Hospital.

How many once healthy young Australians, usually men, are now going to have to quit their trade & other productive jobs and end up waiting for heart transplants, putting more demand on yet another medical specialty industry that commodifies human parts above the human beings they’re taken from?

Winston Smith
October 3, 2021 3:47 pm

srr:

The Elites are Looting America

The costs of not having a Civil War after the electoral fraud will be horrendous.

Indolent
Indolent
October 3, 2021 3:53 pm

Just wait for it, the reaction is priceless. Coming Monday…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDtkTo9cUJY

Brilliant comment under the clip –

The only product in history whose failure is being blamed on people who did not use it.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 3, 2021 3:53 pm

Govts also mandated sewerage systems, public health and education, outlawed slavery, conscription to oppose H and the Japanese Empire, dropped the Bomb twice. So your argument is just waffle in that respect.

All these things had a base of broad popular support. And did not enrich a few and impoverish everyone else (though you could argue about conscription, so long as you keep Numbers out of it).

A few oligarchs who stand to get rich from the ‘green’ projects they are spruiking (and/or bankrolling in the hope of a big payday at taxpayer expense), a minority of well-connected activists wanting to kickstart a neo-Bolshevik revolution without having to get their bayonets bloody and a media echo-chamber do not translate to broad popular support. Hence my Adolf reference. His generals and engineers wanted to do something more practical. Adolf said ‘No.’

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 3:58 pm

Had to laugh… I’ve heard this as I’m sure most people here have. However my kid hasn’t as she’s not very political – at least not intense.

This evening she went out with pals to some Joe Rogen show he was having in NYC. I have no idea what it was … is he a stand up comic too?

Anyway she sent me this text.

There was a big bridge and tunnel* crowd at the joe rogan show and at the end they were all screaming fuck joe Biden

* people who live outside of Manhattan.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 3, 2021 4:00 pm

A few oligarchs who stand to get rich from the ‘green’ projects they are spruiking (and/or bankrolling in the hope of a big payday at taxpayer expense)

But, capitalism is great don’t you know. Competition is KING – until it isn’t. All that innovation – until it’s stifled by “Inellectual Property”. IP, that by design, is owned by the oligarchs.
Yeh, this a great, just system.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 3, 2021 4:00 pm

If only there was an internet version of this

Now that, Calli, is the sort of copy (you need to click Calli’s link this morning) I would have written for a Colt 45 if given my head in the early 60’s in advertising. As it was, I wrote some stuff that wouldn’t pass the woke brigade today. 😀

My mild-mannered cousin in Louisiana lovingly fondled his Colt 45 when displaying his guns on the bed for us. Mah daddy’s gun, he told us. Of course, we said. Very nice, we said. We were so appreciative of the seven weapons that he then decked Hairy up in a Rambo headband, a sheathed hunting-knife and the Colt in a special revolver belt, an AK47 with a night vision attachment held to his shoulder, and stuck the resultant action photo of ma Aussie cousin’s husb’n in the digital family album for distribution to the clan.

We hope to return for a longer stay in April 2022 is we can do a prison break by then. They have promised us many more local treats – a Cajun hoe-down in a special barn by the bayou, more big shrimp bakes, a rowboat out to the aligator swamp island, and a helicopter flight in another rellies ‘copter (which I will pass on as I hate helicopters but which Hairy will enjoy).

Indolent
Indolent
October 3, 2021 4:00 pm

To any permitted workers thinking they can wait out the jab edict – Premier
@DanielAndrewsMP
: “Mandatory vaccination will be here.. well beyond the notion of Authorised Work”.
The authorised categories will disappear at some stage yes, but vaccination requirements won’t.

Tyranny.

It’s actually far worse, if that’s possible. It is know even to blockhead that the “vaccine” does not stop infection or spread. Also that there are serious, even fatal, reactions to it with the long term outcome unknown. This is nothing less than genocide. The same would apply to GulagGladys.

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 4:02 pm

All these things had a base of broad popular support.

Exactly, my point.

The “green future” to varying degrees has popular support and will only grow over time as the younger voting cohort grows. That is why it’s a trend that will endure and politicians will mandate towards as time goes on. I thought I made that crystal clear.

Don’t for a second think that young voters like Joe and Mary Blogs think or research too deeply into who is really benefiting from their green dream of the future, after spending all their childhood and formative years with their watermelon child carers, teachers and the marxist media drumming this green propaganda into them.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:04 pm

But, capitalism is great don’t you know. Competition is KING – until it isn’t. All that innovation – until it’s stifled by “Inellectual Property”. IP, that by design, is owned by the oligarchs.
Yeh, this a great, just system.

In the 90s, Microsoft was going to be the software monopoly forever and it was going to own the internet because “them browser” (explorer) was the it thing.

What happened to that prediction, Doofus?

Oh yea, in order to survive and prosper Microsoft had to re-invent itself as a provider of business software thereby displacing that other giant and forever-monopoly – IBM.

STFU and remain silent, you nicompoop.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 3, 2021 4:06 pm

If you tell people something is going to make them itch, srr, they’ll itch.
I’ll wait for the real figures on Pfizer and heart issues.

I’m not expecting them to be great, but hardly in the magnitude you are hyping.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 3, 2021 4:07 pm

STFU and remain silent, you nicompoop.

Oh dear, yet more invective.
I get it, You’re an oligarch JC. Worried are you?

Zipster
October 3, 2021 4:07 pm

Sticking everything onto the grid is dumb.

They aim to decentralise the grid.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 4:08 pm

Ultimately, politics is constrained by reality. The next few decades will be “interesting”.

The feature of democracies is they eventually detect departures from reality and correct. The feature of dictatorships is they don’t detect departures from reality and then they collapse.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:09 pm

rosie says:
October 3, 2021 at 2:24 pm

JC have you booked your trip to New York yet?
If not why not?

Discussing it with Wifey earlier. She’s going, but I don’t want to quarantine at home for 5 days coming back as that’s like prison. But then, if she comes home I will have isolate too. Dunno.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:11 pm

A Suggestion says:

October 3, 2021 at 4:07 pm

STFU and remain silent, you nicompoop.

Oh dear, yet more invective.
I get it, You’re an oligarch JC. Worried are you?

You’re making idiotic comments about capitalism that seem to come from some brain malfunction causing delusion. STFU about this stuff.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 4:11 pm

I’m not expecting them to be great, but hardly in the magnitude you are hyping.

There are reports of a 25% increase in heart attacks in West Scotland. Doctors baffled.

John H.
John H.
October 3, 2021 4:12 pm

rickwsays:
October 3, 2021 at 4:08 pm
Ultimately, politics is constrained by reality. The next few decades will be “interesting”.

The feature of democracies is they eventually detect departures from reality and correct. The feature of dictatorships is they don’t detect departures from reality and then they collapse.

Democracy plus capitalism results in the most responsive and adaptive culture in human history. That’s why I have more confidence in the future than some here. We seem to swing from left to right, almost as if that is a corrective preventing going too far either way.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 3, 2021 4:13 pm

tell someone they have myocarditis and they keel over and die. yeah right.
This blog just gets betterer and betterer

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 4:14 pm

Test.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:14 pm

Democracy plus capitalism results in the most responsive and adaptive culture in human history.

I disagree. Democracy is shit as you end up with the rule of the mob. What you want is what the US was before – a constitutional republic centered around capitalism.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 4:15 pm

Radio Sancho is back on the air!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 4:15 pm

EV vs ICE.
This could be bigger than … you know … that thing.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:16 pm

Sanchez

What happened? Were you temporarily banned or some shit?

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 4:16 pm

A “green future” though? To varying degrees it’s an increasingly popular theme (like ESG) and every year tens of thousands new voters (millions globally) hit the rolls with their heads full of it. Demographics is politics I reckon.

Are they’re heads really full of it? They just seemed to have red-pilled a generation, if COVID is BS, what else is BS?

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 4:16 pm

We seem to swing from left to right, almost as if that is a corrective preventing going too far either way.

Left and right cooperated to rid the US of another way :Trump. The RIGHT way.

And they succeeded handsomely.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 3, 2021 4:16 pm

You’re making idiotic comments about capitalism that seem to come from some brain malfunction causing delusion. STFU about this stuff.

NO. I’m making comments about the state of affairs we find ourselves in due to your vaunted capitalism. Not some pie in the sky ideal of capitalism, nut as it is practised in the real world.
Too few with too much of the wealth of a society is a recipe for disaster. History shows us this.
Free market competition inevitably leads to concentration of wealth, because those with wealth are in a position to change the market and stop competition – or would you say IP is free?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 3, 2021 4:17 pm

I thought I was temporarily banned as well.

Kept getting the ‘slow down, posting too quick’ message. I thought it was code.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 4:18 pm

What you want is what the US was before – a constitutional republic centered around capitalism.

Definitely the gold standard.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 3, 2021 4:19 pm

Too few with too much of the wealth of a society is a recipe for disaster. History shows us this.

A Suggesiton.

How do you feel about conscription, Miatas and Vietnam?

Zipster
October 3, 2021 4:19 pm

The “green future” to varying degrees has popular support and will only grow over time as the younger voting cohort grows. That is why it’s a trend that will endure and politicians will mandate towards as time goes on.

Yep, they have been playing the long game.

At some point the role of government in the west changed in a subtle manner from being of the people or for the people to waging war on the people. Shaping public opinion by any means vs following public opinion. Maybe it was always like that, but recently the mask has come off.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:21 pm

NO. I’m making comments about the state of affairs we find ourselves in due to your vaunted capitalism.

Yea, life with capitalism is unbearable. I Don’t know if I can hack it one second longer like you.

Not some pie in the sky ideal of capitalism, nut as it is practised in the real world.

No specifics, just blabbering nonsense.

Too few with too much of the wealth of a society is a recipe for disaster. History shows us this.

“History” has shown us nothing of the sort, doofus. What history has shown us is that gullible imbeciles like you buy into the idea that a rich person is taking away from you and you deserve a piece of his wealth because… .. it’s you. Fuck off.

Free market competition inevitably leads to concentration of wealth, because those with wealth are in a position to change the market and stop competition – or would you say IP is free?

Wrong again. Stais in the real world doesn’t exist.
You’re an idiot.

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 4:23 pm

Are they’re heads really full of it?

Enough are and the others, to varying degrees. You are seeing Scummo and the “CONservative” LNP cave in piece by piece to the advancing demographic. Rather than fight the propaganda and take a stand on conviction. Because they have none of course- save their conviction to stay at the big trough.

John H.
John H.
October 3, 2021 4:23 pm

JCsays:
October 3, 2021 at 4:14 pm
Democracy plus capitalism results in the most responsive and adaptive culture in human history.

I disagree. Democracy is shit as you end up with the rule of the mob. What you want is what the US was before – a constitutional republic centered around capitalism.

What is the difference between a CR and democracy? In a CR do the people vote and if so for whom?

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 3, 2021 4:25 pm

LOL. Aussie Cossack pulls over the cops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ-QxyVCzbU

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:26 pm

rickw says:
October 3, 2021 at 4:18 pm

What you want is what the US was before – a constitutional republic centered around capitalism.

Definitely the gold standard.

Which is fine. I’m actually fine with a gold standard with one big fucking proviso. You make sure the price structure/ system in the economy is fluid and not sticky. You need to make sure the labor markets, goods and services markets have plenty of scope to adjust quickly to sudden economic shocks. If you can’t eliminate sticky prices then you need a flexible monetary policy and fiat currency regime.

You pick the poison, Rick. 🙂

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 3, 2021 4:26 pm

Wrong again. Stais in the real world doesn’t exist.
You’re an idiot.

Must have the lst word again JC. Worried are you?
I get you are comfortable in your world. Good luck to you.
Don’t be surprised if it changes on you.

Zipster
October 3, 2021 4:27 pm

Too few with too much of the wealth of a society is a recipe for disaster. History shows us this.

Not this old chestnut. Wealth is a distribution, specifically a Pareto distribution, ie 20% own 80%, give or take. This kind of distribution of wealth is always too much for some.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 3, 2021 4:27 pm

EV vs ICE.
This could be bigger than … you know … that thing.

Horses vs cars?

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 3, 2021 4:27 pm

Statistically speaking, I’d call Emily “99% naked”.

Au cointreau.
A G-string, like two jabs, counts as fully covered.
Newscience-wise.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:28 pm

What is the difference between a CR and democracy? In a CR do the people vote and if so for whom?

I’m not sure non-essential public sector employees, people on the dole or any government support should be allowed to vote. I’m not sure offering citizenship after 5 years is a good idea. It ought to be closer to 20 years. That’s just a few examples.

areff
areff
October 3, 2021 4:28 pm

JC: Ex called this morning to check if the videos she’s seeing out of Melbourne were ‘Fair dunkin’ (that’s ‘dinkum’, dear, for the 5000th time).

She then proceeded to tell me that in the last couple of weeks she’s been to the opera, is booked for Moulin Rouge and just saw David Byrne on Broadway (which pissed her off because the audience was hectored to stand up and chant ‘black lives matter’. As she’s a Sheepshead Bay Italian with the extended family split three ways between cops, firemen and hoods, and her immediate kin heavily invested in the hoods sector, she’s genetically disinclined to have much time for moulinyans).

She’s also visited a friend with cancer in hospital, eats out all the time and has a crew of Polish navvies renovating what used to be my bathroom.

All this in NYC with its thousands dead.

It all brings into even sharper focus how we’re being screwed through the postern gate by the bipedal filth that identifies as a premier.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 3, 2021 4:29 pm

In the US and Ostraya you get to vote. The person you vote for never gets elected, but you get to vote.

Disenfranchising a group is lighting a slow burning fuse.
If in doubt, ask a revolutionary.

Bons
October 3, 2021 4:30 pm

I’ve been trying to book a couple of tickets to London in January to visit the daugther.
Most of the websites are just nonsense (57 hours with N+ stopovers), airline changeovers that will never work, return flights via Upper Volta.
Apparently Business Class tickets are on reserve for Corporates and Corpoate Travel outfits.
Business Class quoted costs vary by up to $10,000.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:31 pm

Must have the lst word again JC.

Vs you have the last word? Fuck off.

Worried are you?

Not in the least.

I get you are comfortable in your world. Good luck to you.

Not really. I’m not comfortable the direction Australia is heading towards, no. I don’t like the idea of living in an authoritarian state.

Don’t be surprised if it changes on you.

I guess.

srr
srr
October 3, 2021 4:32 pm

wow

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
October 3, 2021 at 4:06 pm

If you tell people something is going to make them itch, srr, they’ll itch.
I’ll wait for the real figures on Pfizer and heart issues.

I’m not expecting them to be great, but hardly in the magnitude you are hyping.

For one, I’m not “hyping”.

I don’t bother posting most links to Jab Injury Numbers here because the Jab Pushers just clutter the place up with bullshit numbers (like from Imperial Collage), and they do too much of that as it is.

I shared that tweet because of the stupid radio presenter telling people to ignore the standard medical advice of treating symptoms of heart attack, as heart attack by CALLING 000, and instead, telling them to basically ignore the symptoms, like you’re now doing to.

Zipster
October 3, 2021 4:33 pm

The issue with big tech and now big pharma is they have been given indemnity.

As a result big tech is now an untouchable political animal. Once the indemnity is removed or they forced to behave as carrier, they will be just another commodity.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:34 pm

Areff

I know. My kid is living a very normal life. I think she said the only place she wears a mask now is in the subway. She’s also being asked by her pals if the stuff happening in Australia is for real.

I get texted by pals asking WTF is going on here.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 3, 2021 4:34 pm

The issue with big tech and now big pharma is they have been given indemnity.

I wonder how they got that in a free market capitalist system?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 4:35 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

October 3, 2021 at 4:17 pm

I thought I was temporarily banned as well.

Kept getting the ‘slow down, posting too quick’ message. I thought it was code.

Ditto Sancho also as well too.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 4:38 pm

The issue with big tech and now big pharma is they have been given indemnity.

Zip.

Section 230 and the indemnity on the vax is not a blanket clearway.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 3, 2021 4:38 pm

Zipstersays:
October 3, 2021 at 4:07 pm
Sticking everything onto the grid is dumb.

They aim to decentralise the grid.

If they decentralise the grid with multiple small, modular nuclear plants, all should work out OK. If they do it with multiple large (but unreliable) wind and solar farms, it will be a disaster.

Which do you expect them to favour?

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 3, 2021 4:42 pm

If they decentralise the grid with multiple small, modular nuclear plants, all should work out OK. If they do it with multiple large (but unreliable) wind and solar farms, it will be a disaster.

Which do you expect them to favour?

Oligarchs with the greatest war-chests of wealth will decide amongst the solutions and will ensure that they receive the greatest rewards. If that means subsidy farming then thats what will happen.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 4:43 pm

KD.
I assumed the neo-Nazi militia had commandeered dover’s control centre.
But that probably wouldn’t happen without a yuuuuge crowd to hide behind.

P
P
October 3, 2021 4:44 pm

Kept getting the ‘slow down, posting too quick’ message.

I received that message a couple of hours ago. Half a dozen times!
I ran CCleaner and was then able to post the exact same message I had been denied previously.

John H.
John H.
October 3, 2021 4:45 pm

JCsays:
October 3, 2021 at 4:28 pm
What is the difference between a CR and democracy? In a CR do the people vote and if so for whom?

I’m not sure non-essential public sector employees, people on the dole or any government support should be allowed to vote. I’m not sure offering citizenship after 5 years is a good idea. It ought to be closer to 20 years. That’s just a few examples.

Restricted voting rights in a republic is my understanding but good luck trying to restrict voting rights. Who decides on the relevant criteria? Most families rely on government support so that wouldn’t eliminate a huge swath of the population. I don’t what you’re getting at about the problem of mob rule but there is no guarantee a smaller mob won’t be just as problematic.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 4:47 pm

If they decentralise the grid with multiple small, modular nuclear plants, all should work out OK. If they do it with multiple large (but unreliable) wind and solar farms, it will be a disaster.

By definition they can’t.
The more unreliable and/or intermittent an energy source (wind and solar) the more they need to be integrated with a large grid to pick up the slack.
Decentralised local generation can only work with highly reliable and scalable generators.
Which used to be gas and other hydrocarbons, but is now nuclear.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 3, 2021 4:47 pm

A Suggestion

I wonder how they got that in a free market capitalist system?

In what world do you think we live under a “free market capitalist system”? We have been living in a crony capitalist system for some years now.

Here’s a suggestion. Wake up and try to get in touch with reality.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 3, 2021 4:49 pm

A Suggestion

Oligarchs with the greatest war-chests of wealth will decide amongst the solutions and will ensure that they receive the greatest rewards. If that means subsidy farming then thats what will happen.

Good to see that you accept that we live under crony capitalism, not under a free market system.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 3, 2021 4:51 pm

In what world do you think we live under a “free market capitalist system”? We have been living in a crony capitalist system for some years now.

Yes, I understand that John. I did not make myself clear. People arguing for a free market system always point to the current system as proof it works. It clearly does not work and like the mythical perfect communist or libertarian system, there is no such thing as the perfect capitalist system.
There is just people taking advantage of one another.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 4:52 pm

I ran CCleaner and was then able to post the exact same message I had been denied previously.

I smacked my phone on the table three times.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 4:53 pm

“I wonder how they got that in a free market capitalist system?”

That’s very funny.

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 4:54 pm

I smacked my phone on the table three times.

I sent dover a wtf?! email.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 4:54 pm
rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 4:59 pm

I get texted by pals asking WTF is going on here.

Same, Australia driving yet another round of gun and ammo sales.

The interpretation is that Australia is a real live end to end example of the consequences of Gun Control.

Which is pretty much true.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 5:00 pm

“For one, I’m not “hyping”.”

LOL…that’s all Nongbat ever does.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 3, 2021 5:04 pm

There are reports of a 25% increase in heart attacks in West Scotland. Doctors baffled.

Do you have a link for that, Rick? One issue may be that the Scots do seem to have a genetic predeliction for coronary artery disease. They have high rates of that, from what I recall. Maybe too it’s all the haggis (ever eaten it? erk) and deep fried Mars bars. I’d like to know if this is a genuine increase in heart inflammation (myocarditis or pericarditis) directly relatable to Pfizer, or just another round of CHD (which happens sporadically and shouldn’t ‘baffle’ doctors). AZ doesn’t seem to be much in the picture for the inflammatory heart condition.

I have always been more wary of Pfizer than AZ, as I’ve said here before. It’s not just heart issues with it but Pfizer also has significant neurological impacts, nearly all treatable but still …. My two oldest boys have chosen to have Pfizer. No bad effects, and it’s their choice, but I did forward information. My 18 year old grandson has chosen AZ, he’s fine. I do not want my grandchildren under 12 anywhere near a vaxx yet. I won’t win re my autistic almost 12 year old grandson getting the Pfizer in January, as his mum is committed.

For any of the vaxxes the picture is fairly clearly that there is no ‘genocide’ going on as some loonies claim nor any real indication of the much-mooted (by anti-vaxxers) antibody dependent enhancement. The risk of vaxx vs Covid are way in favour of the vaxx for most people.

Srr, that male nurse on Melbourne radio was just whinging. They have set up a triage system for the ‘worried well’. That’s normal with any outbreak of anything. He neglects to say how many are actually real rather than imagined reactions, which emergency departments see plenty of every day for loads of concerns people have. Of course get to hospital if heart palpitations or other ‘signs and symptoms’ of a vaxx reaction are worrying you. That’s the advice for all heart issues and it is good advice. Don’t wait. Especially if you are a female over fifty where the s and s’s are often diffuse.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 5:05 pm

“The issue with big tech and now big pharma is they have been given indemnity.

As a result big tech is now an untouchable political animal. Once the indemnity is removed or they forced to behave as carrier, they will be just another commodity.”

Big tech, big pharma and the MSM are the three biggest problems in the west.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 3, 2021 5:05 pm

“…those with wealth are in a position to change the market and stop competition – or would you say IP is free?”
******
Steve Wozniak didn’t have to spend very much to invent the Apple.

Delta A
Delta A
October 3, 2021 5:06 pm

There is just people taking advantage of one another.

That happens no matter what system predominates.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 3, 2021 5:06 pm

dover0beach says:
October 3, 2021 at 1:02 pm

Carla
@carla_aust
· Oct 1
Sister met young guy today. He’s been in & out of hospital since taking Pfizer with heart issues. Went to RPA, got put in a Covid ward, counted as covid & it had at least 10 other young people all with side effects from jab – mostly heart issues. “Cases” rising now we know why

Interesting story for an inquisitive journalist.

On a Stew Peters video clip I saw recently, Stew was interviewing a nurse (in the USA) about “vaccine” adverse events. She said that patients admitted to hospital suffering from adverse events were classified as Covid-19 Delta patients and they were warded somewhere other than with the people actually suffering from Covid-19.

I’m sure that if they die due to the adverse event, their death would be recorded as a Covid-19 death.

Same here in Oz I’d imagine, I’ve heard that Chant lady say that anyone who dies following the injection is counted as a Covid-19 death if the death occurred within 14 days of the jab.

An “inquisitive journalist,” don’t hold your breath. I like this radio talk-back caller from a Melbourne hospital reporting the high number of adverse event patients flooding the Emergency Department at his hospital, the radio person couldn’t get him off the line quick enough.

cohenite
October 3, 2021 5:07 pm

You cannot have sex without a penis.

So sex with 2 dicks is twice as good as with one, is that what you’re saying?

Winston Smith
October 3, 2021 5:13 pm

Boambee John:

He doesn’t have the legal authority to do so, nor any authority over the ADF.

It hasn’t stopped him so far.
He’ll just extend powers “inherent” in the Health Emergency thingy.
After all, if Parliament is unable to sit and the Courts unable to hear the case, who will stop him?

Zipster
October 3, 2021 5:15 pm

There is just people taking advantage of one another.

spoken like someone who has never run a business

Zipster
October 3, 2021 5:17 pm

The more unreliable and/or intermittent an energy source (wind and solar) the more they need to be integrated with a large grid to pick up the slack.

batteries. lots and lots of batteries. If you think I am kidding, do some research.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 5:18 pm

Avi has just uploaded this….Dan’s goons on the job…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yobxjXyAX0

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 3, 2021 5:19 pm

Kept getting the ‘slow down, posting too quick’ message. I thought it was code.</em

Same here.
Ruined a good assault & batteries.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 5:20 pm

“There is just people taking advantage of one another.”

Only a progressive could write that.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 3, 2021 5:20 pm

That’s the second time italics has gone Chinese.

P
P
October 3, 2021 5:20 pm

An “inquisitive journalist,” don’t hold your breath. I like this radio talk-back caller from a Melbourne hospital reporting the high number of adverse event patients flooding the Emergency Department at his hospital, the radio person couldn’t get him off the line quick enough.

IMO the ‘nurse’ is fake. His falter with the word triage and also the 20 extra patients an hour.
Not believable to an old nurse. His attitude just doesn’t ring true.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 3, 2021 5:21 pm

You know, I am a bit sick of the constant vaxx issues here. I’ve said the same thing numerous times, and really there’s no point in me saying it any more. Same for the rotten vaxx passports. I’m hoping Perrottet gets in and gets rid of them.

Want the jab, have the jab. Don’t want it, don’t have it.

But let’s move on. We have to beat off Net Zero 50 now as well as restore democracy.
We have to start in the schoolrooms and also tackle academia on it.
I’m impressed with what the IPA is doing there.

rosie
rosie
October 3, 2021 5:23 pm

I spoke to someone I haven’t seen for ages yesterday, she said all her family are either vaccinated, in full or part and planning to complete .
Her big issues were Lockdown, Dan and mandatory vaccines.
I can’t see a minor party winning over ‘sheeples’ that have already had the jab with rhetoric about overwhelmed hospitals full of jab victims on the say of an anonymous nurse.
How many heart transplants so far?
with Australia about to hit 80% first dose it’s probably a bit too late to convince most people they have a significant chance of dying from the vaxx.

Zipster
October 3, 2021 5:24 pm

f they decentralise the grid with multiple small, modular nuclear plants, all should work out OK. If they do it with multiple large (but unreliable) wind and solar farms, it will be a disaster.

Which do you expect them to favour?

When the powers that be now talk about wind and solar its always wind, solar and batteries. As to the rest, it all depends on where. UK is talking about small nuclear, Europe mostly gas, same in oz. France is already nuclear.

Gates has small nuclear in the pipeline. Something that doesn’t default to a meltdown when things go wrong.

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 5:25 pm

It all brings into even sharper focus how we’re being screwed through the postern gate by the bipedal filth that identifies as a premier.

Dan worse than Cuomo? Wow, that takes some doing.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 5:26 pm

cohenite says:
October 3, 2021 at 5:07 pm

You cannot have sex without a penis.

So sex with 2 dicks is twice as good as with one, is that what you’re saying?

No, I’m saying that there’s no such thing as lesbians having sex and you a dick to have sex. Stop being an idiot and learn to understand stuff.

Also, Liz’s legs were terribly misshapen.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 5:26 pm

“Farmer Gezsays:
October 3, 2021 at 5:20 pm
That’s the second time italics has gone Chinese.”

Hmm, could the CCP be behind this?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 3, 2021 5:27 pm

I have a racist cockie.

Went outside, cockie arrives. So I offer what I had in hand, which was a bit of crust from Vietnamese bakery. No, don’t want that. Ok, says I, I’ll get something different.

Go inside, and come out with some more of the Vietnamese bakery bread, but not crust. Hand it to cockie. Cockie munches on it a little, then catches my eye. Drops the piece of bread at my feet.

I pick it up, hand it back. Nope, don’t want it.

Ok, says I…

Come back with a piece of Coles bread and hold it up. Cockie bites off a piece and eats it. I like that! I hand cockie the rest. Racist cockie is happy: he doesn’t like Vietnamese bread.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 5:27 pm

Do you have a link for that, Rick? One issue may be that the Scots do seem to have a genetic predeliction for coronary artery disease.

Four words.
Deep fried Mars Bar.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 3, 2021 5:27 pm

Humans are animals. We test drugs on animals. Completely uncontroversial before ivermectin popped up as an alternative to COVID vaccines.

Indeed. It’s just another of the stupid memes that have emerged from the Covid beat-up era.

Making a main thread of all of the stupid memes that have been put forward to frighten people would be a useful list for posterity if someone could amalgamate them from this OT today.

That’s if there is any posterity on the Cat anymore in the National Archives or anywhere else.

rosie
rosie
October 3, 2021 5:28 pm

I am hoping Perrottet does away with domestic vaccine passports too, NSW are only a couple of days away from hitting 70 % double vaxxed and their hospital numbers are down.
Puts the pressure on Andrews and all the others, though unless the courts intervene I think he’ll press ahead with his mandatory nonsense.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 3, 2021 5:28 pm

IMO the ‘nurse’ is fake. His falter with the word triage and also the 20 extra patients an hour.
Not believable to an old nurse. His attitude just doesn’t ring true.

Same with Rolling Stone getting busted peddling outright lies from an activist with a stethoscope, about Oklahoma EDs being so inundated with ivermectin ‘horse paste’ overdoses that nobody was able to be triaged.

The Hospital Board in question publicly refuted the claims, and pointed out the ‘doctor’ in question was a locum (or equivalent in the US system) and had not worked for them for some time. And was very clealry not welcome back.

Not that this mattered to the Narrative…

Winston Smith
October 3, 2021 5:28 pm

Electric vehicles.
Tell me what’s wrong with this video for when the EV Revolution gets underway.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 5:29 pm

“Deep fried Mars Bar.”

Exactly. I would add a lot of alcohol and not much exercise. Scotland is renowned for its deep fry.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 5:29 pm

Flaunting my italics and bolding skills.
And, for a big finish, some bold italians.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 5:30 pm

Exactly. I would add a lot of alcohol and not much exercise. Scotland is renowned for its deep fry.

Add some rampant drug abuse and whaddya got?

Zipster
October 3, 2021 5:31 pm

Unrelated, but interesting story of what became of the 3rd US bomb they were going to drop on Japan.
The True Story of The Demon Core
How close to critical can you take a core with just a screwdriver between you and oblivion.

JC
JC
October 3, 2021 5:34 pm

There is just people taking advantage of one another.

Of course people take advantage of each, you sad, sad leftwing idiot. It’s described as voluntary exchange.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 3, 2021 5:36 pm

Hmm, could the CCP be behind this?

I don’t think so Cassie.
The evidence points towards battery powered Queenslanders.
It’s an underground movement.

Crossie
Crossie
October 3, 2021 5:37 pm

James Henderson
I was looking at where to get a Covid test for a job, so I open up the Victorian Government website and find this:
According to the map on the site, Mobiltown Station (although now a bridge and closed and long gone since 1985) is still there……
This fills me with confidence.

areff, I needed a test before going into hospital so looked for my nearest one Covid testing station. The address on the internet was wrong and so was the map but I got into the area and then saw the signs directing drivers towards it. People on the ground are OK but the IT or web people are hopeless.

Winston Smith
October 3, 2021 5:38 pm

Dover Beach:

Interesting story for an inquisitive journalist.

Now that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard today!
Where can I get one of these creatures?

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 3, 2021 5:38 pm

To power Australia’s electrical grid for 24 hours I get a 3 million tonne battery, roughly, assuming 200 watt-hours/kg high end lithium cells. You’ll need several times that for serious backup power. Call it around 15 to 20 million tonnes.

John H.
John H.
October 3, 2021 5:39 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 3, 2021 at 5:04 pm
There are reports of a 25% increase in heart attacks in West Scotland. Doctors baffled.

I had a quick look at the mortality data on myocarditis. Very high particularly for adolescents where it occurs most often with Pfizer.

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 5:39 pm

he doesn’t like Vietnamese bread.

We know where the Vietnamese got their bread-making skills.

Cockie heard about the diesel subs.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 3, 2021 5:40 pm

Getting a bit weary of the if-people-hadn’t-accepted-better-than-market-prices-for-their-firearms-this-couldn’t-have-happened-in-Australia fantasy.
Where are the desperadoes who buried their Mossbergs and Mini 14s,
just in case this sort of thing happened?
Why aren’t there any Walsh Streets or whitewashed walls?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 5:41 pm

BTW, Makka’s swipe earlier at KD over his “copper mates” was totally out of order.
KD has been as critical as anyone of VikPlod and has been at pains to point out he doesn’t support their current antics.
Providing a “former insiders” take on the way VikPlod command works is a valuable perspective and in no way can be taken as excusing their behaviour.
I do wonder if him calling out the Brievik fan-boi and Grudge-Nazi-in-Residence the other night might have toppled a few gyros.

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 5:41 pm

The vaxx issue is still very much alive for many of us. Naturally, because some here are still hold outs to the most intrusive, dictatorial pressure in the history of this country.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 3, 2021 5:41 pm

Just so we are clear:
“During the summer there was a 25 per cent rise in the number of people rushed to the Golden Jubilee National Hospital in Clydebank with partially blocked arteries cutting blood supply to the heart.”
The 25% increase is RECENT, not a result of changes in lifestyle.

Crossie
Crossie
October 3, 2021 5:42 pm

Arky says:
October 3, 2021 at 3:36 pm
Sticking everything onto the grid is dumb.
After the first major western country has it’s grid fall over and it’s too late, people will go “Shit, I want my petrol car back”.

Didn’t Texas get into strife last northern winter when the big freeze descended on them and paralysed the renewables? That impacted people whose heating was run on electricity. Can you imagine if transport depended on it as well.

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 5:42 pm

And yes, that includes the “c” word to the “v” word.

😀

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 5:43 pm

That was code, not an opportunity to be rude. Just in case we have an en-triggering.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Armadillosays:

October 3, 2021 at 4:25 pm
LOL. Aussie Cossack pulls over the cops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ-QxyVCzbU

Aussie Cossack’s videos certainly give the casual viewer the message that NSW Police are significantly over-resourced.

That Sgt who turned up toward the end wasn’t taking it real well. It wouldn’t take much to wind that low IQ dunderhead into blowing his stack.

Actually none of ’em took it real well. They likely don’t realise when they utter their surly responses to him that they’re making themselves look like arseholes.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 3, 2021 5:45 pm

There have been many surveys where people are asked if they are in favour of “going green” and this gets large majorities. There are also surveys where people are asked what they are prepared to pay to “go green” and the answer is always “very little”. These are incompatible points of view.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 5:45 pm

Very high particularly for adolescents where it occurs most often with Pfizer.

The Kung Flu mortality stats from the Oz linked to by OSC above draw serious questions around why younger age groups are being dragged into the vax regime.
A little under three (3) per 100,000 for people under 20. And what other conditions did those kids have?

Crossie
Crossie
October 3, 2021 5:45 pm

That’s right, you’ll be without transport or power, and the Arabs will be driving your old car on cheap petrol.
SUCKERS.

They may not be very clever but they are not stupid. It takes “intellectuals” to commit true idiocy.

John H.
John H.
October 3, 2021 5:49 pm

We should shut up about restricting voting rights because it will pollies the idea of applying it to the unvaxxed.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 3, 2021 5:50 pm

Winston Smithsays:
October 3, 2021 at 5:13 pm
Boambee John:

He doesn’t have the legal authority to do so, nor any authority over the ADF.

It hasn’t stopped him so far.
He’ll just extend powers “inherent” in the Health Emergency thingy.
After all, if Parliament is unable to sit and the Courts unable to hear the case, who will stop him?

So far, I don’t think he has tried giving orders to the CDF. Nothing in the Health Emergency gives him the remotest authority to do so.

Still, it would be interesting to see Dan of the Dead try to take the CDF to the Vicco Supreme Court for failure to obey an (un)lawful order.,

rosie
rosie
October 3, 2021 5:51 pm

Everytime you think Dan couldn’t be dumber, he surprises you.

a great sigh of relief from caught short Melbournians

MatrixTransform
October 3, 2021 5:52 pm

Nobody is saying that this will mature overnight or this decade. But in 20-30 years battery powered equipment and the electrification of mines and mining equipment will be a very common , possibly mandatory situation.

Translation: STFU you dummies and take my money

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 5:53 pm

You’re a sanctimonious prick Sancho. Take a swipe at my mates. well you get it back.

KD is regularly on here running defence of cops as seen last year regarding VikPol. I have commented on this before. Knucklehead was only adding smartarseries in that discussion today so if he’d shut his smart mouth nothing would have been said by me.

Providing a “former insiders” take on the way VikPlod command works is a valuable perspective and in no way can be taken as excusing their behaviour.

Presented as inside mates arse kissing, it doesn’t wash. It’s abundantly clear what VikPol were up to then and now. KD’s spin was just that. “They are real bad, but….. ” Yeah , nah sympathy not needed.

I don’t know of any Brevik commentary here, but trust a smarmy shit like you to spin it that way.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 3, 2021 5:55 pm

Zipster

When the powers that be now talk about wind and solar its always wind, solar and batteries.

I’m pretty sure that Bruce of N has already put up numbers on the sheer, utter, impracticality of making (and replacing in due course) the number of current technology batteries to cover the gaps in solar and wind.

And that is before chucking a few million EVs into the mix.

P
P
October 3, 2021 5:55 pm

Perrottet with Ayres on the ticket just announced.

srr
srr
October 3, 2021 5:55 pm

Hey Lizzie, try to remember that others have current real world knowledge of the hospital & medical systems, so when write para after para of what could, may, might be the case you’re only guessing about, that you so condescendingly expect people to swallow whole, you come across as both an arrogant & mercenary drug pusher.

IF only one of those 20 people an Hour had new heart irregularities worth further investigation, that’s still too many for your ‘1 in a million’ sales pitch, and you can bet that it’s been a lot more and that’s not counting those who’s arrhythmia, pain & other symptoms had settled & deemed ‘not too bad’ at the time of a quick check, only to keep getting progressively worse over time, as has been the case with so many who had nearly died.

But how you can be so cavalier with other people’s lives just to keep pushing Jabs …

Mater
October 3, 2021 5:59 pm

The Kung Flu mortality stats from the Oz linked to by OSC above draw serious questions around why younger age groups are being dragged into the vax regime.
A little under three (3) per 100,000 for people under 20. And what other conditions did those kids have?

I didn’t see the link, but not one person under 20 has died from Covid, despite over 27000 cases.
The single fatality they have listed was from meningitis.

Here.

No risk assessment could possibly show that these vaccines should come within a mile of a child. Bruce from WA was right, this is child abuse.

If someone says kids should be vaccinated (Covid), dare them to present the health case.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 3, 2021 5:59 pm

So did Eyrie above.

MatrixTransform
October 3, 2021 6:03 pm

See Argentina, and Venezuela. We’re the next horrible example.

my money is on the Germans of Poms winning that race.

Maybe even this week

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 6:03 pm

If someone says kids should be vaccinated (Covid), dare them to present the health case.

You could try that.

If they’re already pushing that view though, they’re lost to reason. In a more righteous age, they’d be bunged into the madhouse.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 6:03 pm

I don’t know of any Brevik commentary here, but trust a smarmy shit like you to spin it that way.

Oh, very bush-lawyerish.
It was in the dying days of Sinc’s blog.
The fan-boi didn’t deny it the other night, despite a pathetic white-knighting attempt from the fourth horseman of the Furniture Store (piggy).
I kept the receipts and can re-post the original if you like.
Along with a couple of ra-rahs from the cheer squad before they realised they had no support.

rosie
rosie
October 3, 2021 6:03 pm

I agree about children unless they have significant comorbities nevertheless you have to respect parental autonomy.

Mater
October 3, 2021 6:04 pm

If someone says kids should be vaccinated (Covid), dare them to present the health case.

Then get them to read this:

https://www.ncirs.org.au/under-12s-are-increasingly-catching-covid-19-how-sick-are-they-getting-and-when-will-we-be-able

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 3, 2021 6:05 pm

Nothing here.
But definitely on Sinc’s old blog.
And, Brievik aside, what did you think of the melodramatic “I’m just like a Holocaust victim” histrionics the other night?

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 6:05 pm

And that is before chucking a few million EVs into the mix.

I think the grid will have to crash before any realization will really dawn on the PTB. It may be too late by then. The economy would be ratshit.

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 6:06 pm

Also, those arbitrary numbers have to be reached somehow. Tyrants goota tyrant.

Would you believe my conscience has been exercised by that as well? Old, recalcitrant lady causing the sights to be set on the young. It’s like the reverse of the Boomer argument you see here so often.

rosie
rosie
October 3, 2021 6:06 pm

And others might reasonably say

How can you be so cavalier with other people’s lives just to keep pushing (no) jabs?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 3, 2021 6:07 pm

I had a quick look at the mortality data on myocarditis. Very high …

Had it many many years ago. Caused by a virus, they said.
“myocarditis huh? We don’t see many live ones!”

srr
srr
October 3, 2021 6:07 pm

Old blokesays:
October 3, 2021 at 5:06 pm

The second video at that link is just one more of so very many nurses & doctors who are not only warning of the horrific adverse effects of Covid Jabs, but also testifying that the reactions & deaths are NOT being officially reported as caused by Jabs.

Queensland nurse blows the whistle
https://cairnsnews.org/2021/10/02/nurse-whistleblowers-from-qld-and-vic-tell-of-hospital-unreported-adverse-vaccine-figures/

I’ve also noticed how hard Jab Pushers have tried to avoid & even deny that nurses & doctors aren’t only marching against Mandatory Jabs, but also quitting their jobs rather than be a part of pushing them & lying about the horrific effects.

John H.
John H.
October 3, 2021 6:07 pm

dover0beachsays:
October 3, 2021 at 5:18 pm
Herald sun at it again following the narrative _ Ivermectin ( is a drug for animals ) .Sheesh how many drugs used on animals are used on humans as well, hundreds, thousands?

Humans are animals. We test drugs on animals. Completely uncontroversial before ivermectin popped up as an alternative to COVID vaccines.

The FDA has recently approved the horse tranquillizer ketamine for depression. It is a popular street drug. So why did it tweet …

You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 6:08 pm

And, Brievik aside, what did you think of the melodramatic “I’m just like a Holocaust victim”

Wtf are you talking about?

Mater
October 3, 2021 6:08 pm

I agree about children unless they have significant comorbities nevertheless you have to respect parental autonomy.

Except employers (of children) are now telling kids that they must be vaccinated to work…and that they don’t need their parents permission to do so. They are encouraging them to bypass speaking to parents.

Parental responsibility is being stripped away, certainly for those who question the narrative.

Indolent
Indolent
October 3, 2021 6:08 pm
rosie
rosie
October 3, 2021 6:08 pm

For what its worth, vaccinations of under 16s don’t count towards the 70/80 %s.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 6:08 pm

“I don’t know of any Brevik commentary here, but trust a smarmy shit like you to spin it that way.”

It was back in July, on Sinclair’s Cat. It was atrocious.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 3, 2021 6:09 pm

I think the grid will have to crash before any realization will really dawn on the PTB.

Next week?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 3, 2021 6:09 pm

P says:
October 3, 2021 at 5:55 pm
Perrottet with Ayres on the ticket just announced.

Do you get the policy wisdom of Marise Payne for free?
Subs r’ Us.

Roger
Roger
October 3, 2021 6:09 pm

There have been many surveys where people are asked if they are in favour of “going green” and this gets large majorities. There are also surveys where people are asked what they are prepared to pay to “go green” and the answer is always “very little”. These are incompatible points of view.

The trouble is that governments at all levels are going green regardless and by the time people realise what it’s going to cost them it will be a fait accompli. That’s French for shafted.

rosie
rosie
October 3, 2021 6:10 pm

I was only talking about 12 to 15 yesr olds.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 6:10 pm

Actually none of ’em took it real well. They likely don’t realise when they utter their surly responses to him that they’re making themselves look like arseholes.

Aussie Cossack runs the same routine each time and the Mongs in NSW pol still don’t have a clue how to deal with him.

srr
srr
October 3, 2021 6:11 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 3, 2021 at 5:21 pm
You know, I am a bit sick of the constant vaxx issues here.

Only when more than ‘the unpersoned’ call you out for being a bit too keen to keep Defending The Jabs from the all the People They Maim & Kill.

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 6:11 pm

nevertheless you have to respect parental autonomy.

Depends. Parents do horrible things to their children.

Concurrent with the vaxxing argument, for instance, is the “trans” crapola.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 6:12 pm

I think the grid will have to crash before any realization will really dawn on the PTB.

Did it wake up South Australian’s when they did their involuntary North Korea impersonation?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 3, 2021 6:13 pm

That’s French for shafted.

innuendo

Delta A
Delta A
October 3, 2021 6:13 pm

KD is regularly on here running defence of cops as seen last year regarding VikPol.

KD has stated many times his disgust with VicPol.

As for Brevik: yes, a certain ‘almost’ warrior did post supportive comments. “Brevik got it right”. Several Cats, rightly, jumped to disillusion this person.

(There are many things I cannot do these days, but I still have an excellent memory.)

Roger
Roger
October 3, 2021 6:14 pm

Perrottet has just nominated alongside Stuart Aires (not Keen!)

Who said the Liberal Party has no factions?

sfw
sfw
October 3, 2021 6:14 pm

I’ve known more than a few lesbians over the years, both worked with them and socialised with them, most of them good company. I reckon 99% were lezzos just because they were too plain to get the blokes they wanted, they could have got a bloke of course but their standards were above what they had to offer. It’s sad, what’s sadder is the blokes in the same boat that are hetro, they won’t bat for the other side, it just isn’t on the menu so they live sad lives of desperation, reinforced by visits to massage parlours. Some of them realise that looks aren’t a major part of attracting women and by the time they were in their late 20’s were doing alright, hard to get through a mans head that if he is confident and self assured he’ll get women. Something that doesn’t work for women and the poor incels just can’t do.

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 6:14 pm

KD has stated many times his disgust with VicPol.

When he is setting about running defence for them. Your memory is crap.

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 6:15 pm

It was not OldCat’s finest hour. Something I would rather forget.

Quantities of various substances may have been involved.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 3, 2021 6:16 pm

Eyriesays:
October 3, 2021 at 5:41 pm
Just so we are clear:
“During the summer there was a 25 per cent rise in the number of people rushed to the Golden Jubilee National Hospital in Clydebank with partially blocked arteries cutting blood supply to the heart.”
The 25% increase is RECENT, not a result of changes in lifestyle.
********
Also if it’s being described as “blocked arteries”, not as patients’ perceptions, it doesn’t look like an outbreak of hypochondria.
That doesn’t prove it’s caused by the vaxx, but the other theories being posted above are clearly out of court.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 3, 2021 6:16 pm

For what its worth, vaccinations of under 16s don’t count towards the 70/80 %
Oh, Rosie. If you think that the 12+ or >80% conditions for “getting our freedoms back” are not going to change, then you’re only kidding yourself.

cohenite
October 3, 2021 6:16 pm

Also, Liz’s legs were terribly misshapen.

Are you fucking nuts:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/22155693@N04/8678926510/in/album-72157631587573019/

Give yourself an uppercut.

jupes
jupes
October 3, 2021 6:19 pm

Aussie Cossack runs the same routine each time and the Mongs in NSW pol still don’t have a clue how to deal with him.

Latest tactic – state his personal details multiple times.

Fail! The Cossack just bleeps it out.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 6:21 pm

Lizzie, here’s Sally’s wrap up on the Scottish Heart attack issue. Scot’s do have a predisposition towards heart issues, particularly later in life. This one got my attention because of my own high % of ancestry from there, plus a family history of the men in the family dropping dead of a heart attack at 79 like clockwork. 5 generations and counting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqkEstLIJtU&t=315s

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 6:23 pm

Did it wake up South Australian’s when they did their involuntary North Korea impersonation?

They voted out the left, but too late. The damage was done and the ongoing horrific energy costs are entrenched.

rosie
rosie
October 3, 2021 6:23 pm

I don’t think so Wally.
Some states might like to try that on but I’m fully confident that the federal government with the announcement regarding international travel and whoever takes over in NSW will put the kibosh on that.

Just watch the international exodus that will start from NSW in November.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 6:25 pm

“Only when more than ‘the unpersoned’ call you out for being a bit too keen to keep Defending The Jabs from the all the People They Maim & Kill.”

This is precisely why Lizzie said enough. This is drivel from the Resident Nutter.

There’s nothing wrong with discussions about the merits of jabs v non-jabs. Like Lizzie, I respect people who choose to be jabbed and those who choose not to be jabbed.

I do not respect hysteria and lies.

Arky
October 3, 2021 6:25 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 3, 2021 at 5:21 pm
You know, I am a bit sick of the constant vaxx issues here.

..
Yeah, well they’re not about to sack your spouse for not having it and you don’t have school age children.
So for some of us it’s a constant worry, and it’s NOT going away.
So I guess you’re going to have to live with the ongoing commentary, Elizabeth.

John H.
John H.
October 3, 2021 6:25 pm

If we’re not seeing an increase throughout Britain the vax is not a viable explanation. The lockdowns probably induced widespread Vit. D deficiency and there was a rush on fried Mars Bars.

Makka
Makka
October 3, 2021 6:26 pm

whoever takes over in NSW will put the kibosh on that.

NSW is Vic’s best hope for getting out of lockdown and dumping Dan.

Zipster
October 3, 2021 6:26 pm

If someone says kids should be vaccinated (Covid), dare them to present the health case.

My guess Is this graph tells the story. uk deaths vs infections by age.

in a nutshell kids bring it home

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 6:27 pm

“Rogersays:
October 3, 2021 at 6:14 pm
Perrottet has just nominated alongside Stuart Aires (not Keen!)

Who said the Liberal Party has no factions?”

Perrottet with Ayres is a much, much better combo than Perrottet with Kean.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 6:28 pm

Where are the desperadoes who buried their Mossbergs and Mini 14s,
just in case this sort of thing happened?

If this keeps going long enough, they will turn up.

In the interim, the cops are lulled into thinking the can do what they like because “nobody’s got guns”.

Which is the whole point of an armed society, not treating each other with respect can have dire consequences.

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 6:29 pm

Speaking of Liz, the 1956 Alexander the Great is on Gem.

Richard Burton in the title role, still young (under 30?).

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 6:30 pm

Hope the Panthers win tonight.

Delta A
Delta A
October 3, 2021 6:30 pm

I agree about children unless they have significant comorbities nevertheless you have to respect parental autonomy.

Hmm.

Frequently, parental authority leaves much to be desired these days.

Could you support parents (usually mothers) who celebrate their 10 yo child’s whim that they are ‘in the wrong body’ and must transition, immediately? Or mothers who trot their babes along to the library for the weekly Reading with Trannies session?

Sadly, too many parents have no idea how to be good parents.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 6:31 pm

“KD has stated many times his disgust with VicPol.”

Correct.

calli
calli
October 3, 2021 6:32 pm

Hope the Panthers win tonight.

Shhhhhh. Don’t tell C.L.!

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 6:33 pm

“Sadly, too many parents have no idea how to be good parents.”

Correct.

Mater
October 3, 2021 6:33 pm

in a nutshell kids bring it home

Yep. Those figures from the UK gel with those of Australia. So, no health benefits for the kids you are putting at risk by giving them the vaccine.

As I said, child abuse/exploitation.

Roger
Roger
October 3, 2021 6:33 pm

Perrottet with Ayres is a much, much better combo than Perrottet with Kean.

Definitely, but who ruled out Keen? Payne?

And what happens to him now? Over to you, Dom.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

jupessays:
October 3, 2021 at 6:19 pm

Aussie Cossack runs the same routine each time and the Mongs in NSW pol still don’t have a clue how to deal with him.

Latest tactic – state his personal details multiple times.
Fail! The Cossack just bleeps it out.

Yep, that was deliberate.
He should calm down a little – they’ll think they’re starting to get under his skin.

Burwood, Glebe & now Ryde police clearly have pulled him over & are pre-prepped on him.
How many man hours of police time are being used up with wargaming how to handle one law-abiding business operator?

Likewise, how much of officer’s personal time is devoted to bitching about him, wargaming, dreaming up ways to badger him, coz he’s not kow-towing to the blue?

Cossack is doing God’s own work.

cohenite
October 3, 2021 6:37 pm

Perrottet with Ayres is a much, much better combo than Perrottet with Kean.

Perrottet with Tanya Davies would be better.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 3, 2021 6:37 pm

What are the odds someone in NSW plod knows the only way to beat Aussie Cossack
is to stop what they’re doing to him?

cohenite
October 3, 2021 6:38 pm

What a fucking POS turdball is.

jupes
jupes
October 3, 2021 6:39 pm

They voted out the left, but too late.

No they voted out one left faction and voted in another.

Hence, the ‘climate’ insanity prevails.

srr
srr
October 3, 2021 6:39 pm

Mater says:
October 3, 2021 at 5:59 pm
[…]but not one person under 20 has died from Covid, despite over 27000 cases.
The single fatality they have listed was from meningitis.
[…]

Yep, but just as all those people who died “with” Covid of old age, cancer, heart attacks, car accidents etc., were counted by the Jab Pushers as “proof” everyone must be Jabbed, all those kids & young people dead or damaged for life FROM Jabs are instantly shouted down as being Killed or Damaged by ANYTHING ELSE except The Known To Be Deadly Jabs –

Sancho Panzer says:
October 3, 2021 at 5:45 pm
[…] And what other conditions did those kids have?
***
rosie says:
October 3, 2021 at 6:03 pm
I agree about children unless they have significant comorbities nevertheless you have to respect parental autonomy.
***

– because you see, COVID is NOT KILLING kids with significant comorbidities, ONLY THE JABS ARE, and when they do, the comorbidities, NOT the Jabs, get the blame.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 6:40 pm

“ecause you see, COVID is NOT KILLING kids with significant comorbidities, ONLY THE JABS ARE, and when they do, the comorbidities, NOT the Jabs, get the blame.”

This is bullshit….utter bullshit.

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 6:42 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 3, 2021 at 5:21 pm
You know, I am a bit sick of the constant vaxx issues here.

Same, my job and 60% of my crew’s jobs are on the line as of Friday’s Dickhead Dan announcement.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Aussie Cossack runs the same routine each time and the Mongs in NSW pol still don’t have a clue how to deal with him.

In my experience, the ability to learn from mistakes is a trait generally not seen in police officers. (with notable exceptions)
Most of the nongs double down & repeat (with extra gusto) the previous mistake.

What are the odds someone in NSW plod knows the only way to beat Aussie Cossack
is to stop what they’re doing to him?

See paragraph above.

Cassie of Sydney
October 3, 2021 6:42 pm

“What a fucking POS turdball is.”

We know.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 3, 2021 6:42 pm

The evidence points towards battery powered Queenslanders.

That explains the rolling lockdowns, then.

Couldn’t quite replace them all in one hit…

#Logistics

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 3, 2021 6:43 pm

Commenter on the Oz article about “war crimes” in Afghanistan, claims the Australian forces there were not allowed alcohol. Any Cats able to say “yes” or “No?”

rickw
rickw
October 3, 2021 6:44 pm

This is bullshit….utter bullshit.

Covid is not killing kids. Jabs are not killing and maiming kids thus far.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 3, 2021 6:46 pm

What are the odds someone in NSW plod knows the only way to beat Aussie Cossack
is to stop what they’re doing to him?

And risk the Commissioner copping flak from the Police Minister and CHO?

Not a chance, Comrade.

Useless make-work will always beat having something made up for you by a belligerent superior.

Clearly, not enough of you have Served, or worked in a Government Department.

God ha’mercy on such as we,
Baa Yaa Baaa!
– Rudyard Kipling, Gentlemen Rankers.

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