Open Thread- Mon 11 Oct 2021


Antigone with Polynices’ Body, Sebastien Norblin, 1825

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areff
areff
October 12, 2021 10:04 am

Calli, that almost brought a tear. I remember taking my Margie to the vet for the last time — she was 18, blind, deaf, and incontinent after two years of hormone treatment that initially stopped the problem but gradually lost ground. My then wife bought her on spur of the moment whim in Macy’s as a puppy — a golden, big-eared american cocker spaniel (think Lady and the Tramp).

She was a wonderful dog and endured all sorts of indignities when my son was a toddler, including having a handful of dry spaghetti jammed up her dot when she eating her dinner. She didn’t maul him, though she’d have been in her right to do so. A wonderful, gentle, trusting dog. I’m going to have to reach for the tissues if I go on.

Arky
October 12, 2021 10:05 am

callisays:
October 12, 2021 at 9:59 am
By the way, one of those upticks was mine. ?

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Spare me your pity upticks. (also: too late to take it back now)

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 10:07 am

I blame the nanna wrigglers.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2021 10:17 am

Roger

It’s a lesson modern Labor, dominated by middle class urbanites, appears to have forgotten, or never learned.

From the party of the rural and industrial working class to the party of urban middle class office workers in under 100 years.

What a grand achievement (Not)!

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 10:18 am

Wouldn’t it be interesting to learn if our ‘leaders’ deliberately exploited behavioural/social psychology techniques in order to manipulate the public and achieve compliance.

I can’t remember the exact piece, but there’s something doing the rounds about the British government doing just that via an executive appointment.

A conversation with my pastor centred on that topic too, as we discussed ways to serve the church community. We are dealing with traumatised people, and pretending that Christians are somehow immune doesn’t help. This stuff has leaked into all parts of society.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 10:21 am

Prime Minister, Scott Morrison is flying in thousands of migrants to replace the doctors, nurses, teachers.. terminated under no jab, no job..!

If that is true, then he and his government has to be the worst this country has ever seen.

Gough’s shambles in the 70’s doesn’t come close.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2021 10:24 am

callisays:
October 12, 2021 at 10:07 am
I blame the nanna wrigglers.

Nanna wrigglers? Grannies playing Twister? Call the bone crackers.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 12, 2021 10:25 am

Palmer got into politics in a fit of pique. He felt insulted and injured, and it was a way of fighting back. And damn, what a motley barnyard of misfits he delivered. Whether his ideas have developed vary far since then, and what they have developed into is less clear, but he has attracted some people who have something to say.

Trump was not stung into action by any resentment. He was successful and well known with his TV show. He was already riding high, as we have seen, the Democrats have been unable to find anything self-serving to pin on him. He actually seems to have been inspired by a love of America.

If UAP makes significant inroads in the coming election I would hope party members are able to restrain any impetuousness by Fat Bastard if it arises.

srr
srr
October 12, 2021 10:31 am

Arky says:
October 12, 2021 at 9:53 am
I need one more tick people:
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Arky says:
October 11, 2021 at 11:41 pm

I reckon it’s time you vaxxed fuckers shut the fuck up on here.
Just fuck off.
I’m sick of hearing your shit.

Report comment
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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 11, 2021 at 11:51 pm
Just putting that out there to see how many upticks it gets so yiz can get a general gauge on how your funky patter is going down.

Anything under 30 upticks doesn’t count, Arky.

It’s just ambient noise. ?

I see 31 🙂

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 10:32 am

Bongino noting the chunk’s interest in the Nipah virus which I mentioned yesterday. Nipah has a mortality rate of 80%. The chunks have had 4 goes this century at the pandemic. Maybe they’ll get it right with Nipah.

the long incubation (up to 14 days) is a worry. spreads easily, seems mildly airborne. If it were me I would nuke wuhan labs with the hammer of thor now before the ccp feel threatened enough to release more pandemics.

I am buying into the theory this virus was released to allow take over of hong kong, this was released at the wuhan military games, made to look like an accident, but failed to ignite back in the US.

I expect take over of taiwan will be supported by another release. The clock is ticking, no better time than an incompetent white house.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2021 10:35 am

Homer is busy trying (and failing) to sound intelligent and thoughtful on the Real Aussie blokes thread at CL’s blog.

Gilas
Gilas
October 12, 2021 10:40 am

Gab says:
October 11, 2021 at 10:47 pm
This is not the hill to die on.
No it never is, is it?
Let me remind you:
We will never get back what it was like before, what little freedoms we had. That’s all gone. We may for a time have what seems to be freedom in small things, but only for a short time.

Great post!!!
All correct, unfortunately.

I have ben cogitating on this for a long while: what is the line-in-the-sand beyond which death is the preferable, only honourable alternative? Where there is nothing more left to lose?
Most people will compromise their principles, long before the executioner chambers the round.
Begging for forgiveness instead of kicking the shit out of anything within reach.
Me? Better an attempt at a final retribution, than cowardly, quiet “honourable” (to whom?) submission.
Leave an, albeit temporary, imprint of your existence.
I would never do a pathetic Bukharin or go down quietly at a metaphorical Katyn.

99.9% of people would. That’s why we are where we are.

One can only admire rickw’s principles and stand in this.
Time to join a real opposition party.. and more.

My best wishes to him and his family.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 12, 2021 10:42 am

Timothy at 9.14. Just read your comment and I hope you have read mine above.

I acted in good faith examining something ridiculous that you put up some time ago where commenters were confusing two sets of data placed side by side for contrast.

There is such a lot of very bad information being abstracted from studies where people have little understanding of what is being said. This was one of them. The 82% hysterical reaction by that ‘oncologist’ to what was obviously a reporting issue was another. Glad she’s not my oncologist.

I am not responsible for the commenting that is abstracted by anti-vaxxers, nor for referencing the particular data confusion linked earlier on by you.

Go and give Arky his tick and get banned those people who have any corrective commentary to the rather hysterical anti-vaxxing that we see here. I am on record as saying the vaxxes are not perfect and everyone has the right to their own decision, with no mandatory apartheid; but poor abstraction of data to reach ridiculous ‘beclowning’ conclusions in no way real-world supported should be called out.

Being abused for doing so? Well, par for the course I suppose.

I have a lot of other things I’ve promised Hairy I will do today.
I will do those instead of stay here to receive more of the same till you have settled down.

johanna
johanna
October 12, 2021 10:43 am

“lotocoti says:
October 12, 2021 at 7:44 am

Either the morning grapefruit juice hadn’t properly kicked in,”

Leaving aside the question of why anyone would want to drink grapefruit juice when yummier alternatives are available, it jogged my memory about the warning label on my blood pressure meds. Do not consume grapefruit while taking these.

At some point I will find out why, but it does highlight how much uncharted territory there is about drug interactions.

miltonf
miltonf
October 12, 2021 10:43 am

Good news about UAP and RD merging. Monica and Craig will complement each other and hopefully keep Palmer in check.

struth
struth
October 12, 2021 10:46 am

The unvaxxed, what are you panicking about?
Yes the government coming around and stealing you off to Toowoomba, ( a fate worse than death without the concentration camp), is admittedly of some concern.
The people who have avoided the vaccine are mostly men and mostly of strong character.
And their 80% jabbed score is complete bullshit.
They’d be lucky to have fifty percent anywhere.
And of those, and this is the main point, only about twenty percent wanted to take the vaccine.
The large number of vaccinated didn’t want it.
They aren’t anti vaxxed but just cowardly nonentities.
However, even cowardly non entities get the shits when they start realising they are going to die sooner from being jabbed.
It doesn’t matter how thick an Australian is, they’ll be able to work out the unvaccinated didn’t force them to take it.
Hold the line. Do not comply.

cohenite
October 12, 2021 10:47 am

Body language analysis of pelosi meeting the pope (4 minutes). The analyst notes pelosi has an IQ of an orangutan, which is insulting to orangutans; but also that the pro-abortion catholic shit she is, is star-struck in meeting the old commie. Pelosi gives the pope a dish inscribed with please pray for us, which given pelosi’s self-centredness does not mean for the people of the US but literally for her.

https://bombardsbodylanguage.com/2021/10/11/body-language-pelosi-meets-pope/

struth
struth
October 12, 2021 10:53 am

Queensland 70% first jab….complete bullshit.
Every jab centre has been empty for months,

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 12, 2021 10:54 am

Translation: Lizzie has one foot in the grave and can there rationalize any amount of unethical practice to keep the other foot out.

I am not the one who is rationalising unethical practice and scaring pregnant women to bits concerning spontaneous abortions should they take the vaxx and perhaps save their own and their child’s life, especially in the third world. Note that in the referenced study the population was largely hispanic, and undoubtedly poor.

I would prefer to have one foot in the grave than one foot in my mouth like you, Matrix.
And what a nasty mouth it is too, to be sure.

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2021 10:55 am

I am not the one who is rationalising unethical practice

one foot in the grave, the other in her mouth

srr
srr
October 12, 2021 10:56 am

Wally Dalí says:
October 12, 2021 at 9:55 am

Apologies, I’m not trying to demean anyone who has done dog “rescuing”. We’ve done it ourselves here, successfully and badly both.

Don’t apologise.

The Pet ‘rescue’ Industry is an Industry that’s long been working towards making pets symbols of the elite.

The best protection for dogs were breed obsessed breeders who did their own rescuing on their own dime & time, but the P.E.T.A Karens & Tax Man’s Agents have thoroughly infiltrated the pedigree dog world now.

The Pedigree Dog world was a ‘canary’ industry putting out serious warnings to everyone in the 1980’s; Govt Mandated ‘vaxs’, drugs, chips, permanent I.D.’s etc., people who fought the intrusions into the bodily & genetic integrity of their animals, soon discovered the Govt was locked into all of it because it wasn’t going to remain something we ‘had to do’ to animals. Animals were only early test subjects.

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2021 10:58 am

damnit, didnt read far enough and she got in first.

if you do head out today you should bottle some of that bathwater in case you run into some up-the-duff Biafrans

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 10:58 am

Do not consume grapefruit while taking these.

At some point I will find out why, but it does highlight how much uncharted territory there is about drug interactions.

Inhibitor of the Cytochrome P-450 enzymes which metabolises many medicines.

miltonf
miltonf
October 12, 2021 10:59 am

The geriatric mafia princess meets crankie Frankie- hard to think of a more evil old pair.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2021 11:06 am

People may well be doing what they would do regardless of government overreach, choosing to mask etc. That’s freedom of choice in operation.
That’s how it should have always been.

I’m going to wait and see how the European winter goes before doing a faulty and assuming more covid doom and gloom.
It’s a beautiful day.
no more limitations than Sweden ever implemented because they did have some.

Baba
Baba
October 12, 2021 11:08 am

This will be like a red rag to twostix:

Is there anything worse than a vaxxed, tippsy, Gen-X womyn?

caveman
caveman
October 12, 2021 11:08 am

“The state of this country.”

That woman would sell you out for a few shekels.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 11:08 am

Wouldn’t it be interesting to learn if our ‘leaders’ deliberately exploited behavioural/social psychology techniques in order to manipulate the public and achieve compliance.

I can’t remember the exact piece, but there’s something doing the rounds about the British government doing just that via an executive appointment.

Found it. Behavioural Insights Team or “Nudge Unit”.

Just Google that and you come up with a lot of links, mine above is just one.

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 11:12 am

Below the Surface: An Interview with Whitney Webb
Today we are talking with investigative journalist Whitney Webb about media corruption and the webs of power underpinning current events and the impending Great Reset.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 12, 2021 11:14 am

if you do head out today you should bottle some of that bathwater in case you run into some up-the-duff Biafrans

quad erat demonstrandum

Time for me to take a short break before any further fixation sets in.
It is beyond wearying.

miltonf
miltonf
October 12, 2021 11:15 am

Trumble filth had a ‘nudge unit’ when he was polluting the PM’s office. It probably still exists. Nice sinecure for some ANUs psych grads with connections.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 11:18 am

And we have our own. It’s called BETA

We are the Behavioural Economics Team of the Australian Government, or BETA. We are the Australian Government’s central unit for applying behavioural insights (BI) to public policy.

BETA has a clear vision – to improve the lives of Australians. We do that through putting human behaviour at the heart of government policy. We bring together research from economics, psychology and behavioural science to design and test the application of behavioural insights to policy.

Sounds warm and fuzzy. They must have our best interests at heart.

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2021 11:21 am

Time for me to take a short break before any further fixation sets in.
It is beyond wearying.

save your strength

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2021 11:22 am

The only people I think are even moderately entitled to criticise vaxxed Sydneysiders coming out of months of lockdown are other Sydneysiders.
These are state issues that affect nobody else.
Anyone who’s been free to get a haircut, socialise etc with barely an interruption has no business carping about Sydneysiders, not unless they stayed under a self imposed in solidarity lockdown these last several months.
And they obviously don’t care an iota about the small businesses who’ve had their backs against the wall for so long either and are finally able to put a few bucks in the til.
I was sad to close my shop back in November 2019, but really what a fortuitous decision that was.

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 11:26 am

BETA has a clear vision – to improve the lives of Australians. We do that through putting human behaviour at the heart of government policy.

You mean like stuff your face with more carbs, they are super good for you, provide lots of energy, check out our food pyramid. What could possibly go wrong?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 12, 2021 11:26 am

I love this review.
Movie probably stinks but is upsetting all the right people.

Ghostbusters: Afterlife review – a slimy, stinking corpse of a sequel
Jason Reitman takes over his father’s franchise and immediately tanks it with a tonally misjudged blend of pandering fan service and bizarrely played-straight spectacle

Every time another anti-spectral doohickey first appeared on screen, it was met with orgasmic roars of excitement from the audience. Same goes for the awestruck glimpses of the old car, the old costumes, some of the old dialogue, and the rest of the myriad nods to Ivan Reitman’s canonized blockbuster.

Giving people what they like is popular, film at 11…

At the box office, this underhanded tack may very well pay dividends. This is for the fans, after all,

Hates them we do, gollum, gollum, the fans with their love of a series…


It’s pandering all the way down, the shocking part being the variety of Reitman’s ploys. It’s not all groaners like a cop offering a jailed-for-the-night Trevor the phone and asking, “Who you gonna call?” There’s the set piece with cutesy, nattering mini-Stay-Pufts scratching the itch for cloying mischief-makers planted by the Minions.

How dare they like THINGS!!!!

Consider the casual cowardice of a script that uses its own mythology to subtly erase 2016’s all-gals reboot from the canon, giving the rage-choked trolls carpet-bombing IMDb with zero-star ratings the vindication they’ve always craved.

Hahahaha, cry more bitch fembot, the whole review is an obvious “the wrong people like this and must be punished”

..
There’s a disturbing sense of ownership over the past in Reitman’s continuity-building, as if he’s the heir apparent entrusted with sacred texts rather than a guy running roughshod over the memory of a movie still a staple of middle-school sleepovers for its laugh quotient.

You know what was lacking in either of the reviews for the new Bond film or lady ghostbusters,?
Either of those 2 criticisms…

I hope this make squillions and spawns a successful franchise, just to see the reviewer drown in their own bile.
Also, i really, really hope the critical drinker does one where he compares it to lady ghostbusters…

srr
srr
October 12, 2021 11:28 am

dover0beach says:
October 12, 2021 at 11:03 am
This will be like a red rag to twostix:

Sky News @SkyNews · 12h
Fully vaccinated people in Sydney have been enjoying cafes and bars
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1447517341533675523
as the city reopens for the first time after more than 100 days in lockdown

The state of this country.

Did they deliberately look for someone who instantly brought The New Class Structure to mind?

“3. Ilse Koche
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/world-news/11-of-the-sexiest-alt-right-icons-to-make-you-forget-how-horrific-the-holocaust-was/
H&M Beret, 19Rm
Hague girl! Here’s a little beret that says “the bitch of Buchenwald is back!”. Girls can tell Libtard cucks to halt their mansplaining with this jaunty little number that reminds us that women can be successful war-criminals too.”

Slim Cognito
Slim Cognito
October 12, 2021 11:33 am

In yet another sign that this country is rooted, two blokes are languishing in a Perth gaol on remand for going to the footy. Now the NT wants to charge them with fraud.
Let that sink in.

Roger
Roger
October 12, 2021 11:36 am

Roger

It’s a lesson modern Labor, dominated by middle class urbanites, appears to have forgotten, or never learned.

From the party of the rural and industrial working class to the party of urban middle class office workers in under 100 years.

Old Labor in Qld was generally socially conservative and aspirational.

Forgan-Smith was a Scottish Presbyterian and his chief adviser Clark converted to Catholicism from the C of E. Not hard to imagine what they’d make of the likes of Palaszczuk.

There were militant unionists of course, Vince Gair famously falling foul of them later on.

When Hanson came along she picked up the remnants of the Old Labor vote.

Unhappily, both

Roger
Roger
October 12, 2021 11:37 am

Unhappily, both major parties have since strayed far from their founding principles.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 11:39 am

Slim, that would be what they call a behavioural “nudge” to the masses.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 12, 2021 11:41 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 12, 2021 at 10:42 am

Let’s re-roll the tape.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 11, 2021 at 10:54 pm

What they did is totally confuse the study population (the denominator) with the contrast population (the other column) and then tried to fit the data for the former into the results for the latter. Hence it gave the figure that at 2.58pm today you were so happy to tout – that 115 miscarriages occured among the 147 women you believed were vaxxed in their first or second trimester. Patently ridiculous.

The authors used an 827 study sample of women vaxxed while pregnant for their preliminary results. [Again apologies for my error saying “847”] 700 of them were vaxxed in the third trimester. 115 pregnancies among the 827 failed in the first 20 weeks.

115 was not the critics’ figure – the authors themselves used 115/827 to assess vaxx risk for pregnancy failure in the first 20 weeks, and said that that was a fairly normal percentage.
Get that? The authors said that 115 pregnancies failed within 20 weeks among their 827 sample. Not the critics, the authors.

Oh, by the way, did I mention that 115 was the authors’ figure, not the critics’?

The critics then pointed out that the 700 couldn’t be used to assess the risk of the vaxx causing pregnancy failure within 20 weeks, because the 700 hadn’t been vaxxed till well after 20 weeks.
The authors agreed.

It was a simple matter of whether the correct analysis on the preliminary results should be done as 115/827 (the basis of the authors’ first effort – though they did split the 115 into groups of different types of pregnancy failure) or 115/127 (the critics’ claim, with which the authors have now agreed – though they note that their updated data brings the percentage back down).

Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to explain, on the basis of the authors’ own numbers (827 sample, 700 3rd trimester vaxxed, 115 failed pregnancies within 20 weeks among the 827 sample), how the critics got to 115/127 if the critics’ numbers included figures for the “contrast population” (or “demographic population” as you referred to it in a previous comment, or any other way you wish to describe it).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 12, 2021 11:43 am

Arkysays:

October 11, 2021 at 11:45 pm

Just putting that out there to see how many upticks it gets so yiz can get a general gauge on how your funky patter is going down.

To paraphrase, you think the minority here should bend to the will of the majority, as measured by the uptick poll?

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 12, 2021 11:44 am

We are the Behavioural Economics Team of the Australian Government, or BETA.

When the government wants to dork you up the squeekhole, we recommend the sweet nothings they whisper in your ear.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2021 11:51 am

BETA has a clear vision – to improve the lives of Australians.

A Nudge Nudge Wink Wink Say No More agency in the UK, and the Betas of Australia?
We’re living in Python. Or Hitchhikers Guide. Someone please build a B Ark.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 12, 2021 11:52 am

It doesn’t matter how thick an Australian is, they’ll be able to work out the unvaccinated didn’t force them to take it.

But they will blame them when things go wrong Struth. These days its always someone else’s fault. Australians are turkeys and its almost Christmas.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 11:54 am

Tim, I’ve missed the original post that started the back & forth.
Can you post a link to the study?
I’m genuinely interested.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2021 11:55 am

Sancho
Another possibility of course if there were a thumbs down option that there might have been 70 of those on the comment.
Though what’s really sad is people paying attention at all to whst in reality is such a paltry readership.
Wow 31 thumbs uppers!
And if I could say something about a two class society and ‘principles’ that could equally to those that have been denied the right to earn a living, a most fundamental right, I think, against those who suffered no such impediment, who now carrying on like two bob watches because someone, not them, can’t get a haircut or buy a beer in a pub for perhaps six weeks.
I think both government actions are wrong but of the two the first is the bigger denial of Freedom!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 12, 2021 11:56 am

Am I the only person who see this headline and thinks “Super AIDs”?

DC Comics reveals latest Superman as bisexual in new issue
The Man of Steel will be in a same-sex relationship while combatting the climate crisis and protesting against the deportation of refugees

The news follows other recent attempts to add queerness to the world of comics. In August, it was announced that the latest version of Robin would have a boyfriend while in March, Marvel also made the decision to pass the mantle of Captain America to a gay character.

But the big-screen worlds of Marvel and DC remain less progressive. Tessa Thompson’s character in Thor: Ragnarok was only revealed as bisexual in a tweet while Deadpool’s sexual fluidity has yet to be fully explored. This November’s Eternals is set to change things with the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s first LGBTQ+ kiss between Brian Tyree Henry’s Phastos, the first openly gay superhero in a Marvel movie, and Haaz Sleiman, who plays his husband.

More cavorting in skinsuits than Grigory after a 24 hour “Goodbye Horses” binge

Slim Cognito
Slim Cognito
October 12, 2021 12:01 pm

Robin would have a boyfriend

TBH Robin always had a gay vibe about him.

Is that distant noise the sound of Stan Lee spinning in his grave?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2021 12:01 pm

Unhappily, both major parties have since strayed far from their founding principles.

Since all our governments have now rammed through totalitarian state-of-emergency legislation which effectively voids all previous legislation that seems true. The Constitution, such as it is, is quietly weeping in some corner somewhere, ignored and forgotten.

One ring to rule them all. On the outside of it is written the word “Covid”, and on the inside is written “Climate Change”.

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 12:07 pm

DC Comics reveals latest Superman as bisexual in new issue
The Man of Steel will be in a same-sex relationship while combatting the climate crisis and protesting against the deportation of refugees

Malthusian depopulation agenda rolled in with bolshevik trans-nationalism and the creation of a dumbed down underclass.

Baba
Baba
October 12, 2021 12:09 pm
miltonf
miltonf
October 12, 2021 12:10 pm

Yes as Cassie said this is all a softening up for ‘climate’ lockdowns with the entire political-media establishment, from the Saxe-Coburg Gothas down, fully on board. Just think! No more uppity oiks going on overseas trips!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2021 12:11 pm

Am I the only person who see this headline and thinks “Super AIDs”?

Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex will need an update.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 12:11 pm

The Constitution, such as it is, is quietly weeping in some corner somewhere, ignored and forgotten.

This is why history isn’t taught in schools & it’s up to parents to educate their offspring.
It’s not a bug in the system.
It’s a feature.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 12, 2021 12:11 pm

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2104983

FTB, hope that works.
If not, go to rosie’s 11 October 5.09 pm comment on this thread.

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 12:12 pm

When the government wants to dork you up the squeekhole, we recommend the sweet nothings they whisper in your ear.

This really took on a life of its own during the islamic terror attacks, they used countless social media accounts to steer public opinion towards pray for xyz rather than fight back against terrorism. The mass importation agenda was more important to the government then the safety of the population. An agenda which was never voted on by the public.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 12:14 pm

Thanks Tim.

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 12:16 pm

About that NSW freedom thingy.

Ive been saying this for years, defeating marxism and other fascism is and was never and will never be a ballot box issue.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 12, 2021 12:17 pm

Man of steel, arse of kleenex?

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 12:19 pm

effectively being made an outcast is terrible.

Every social group has its “outcasts”. Even this one.

At least here the reprehensible get a voice.

miltonf
miltonf
October 12, 2021 12:19 pm

Ive been saying this for years, defeating marxism and other fascism is and was never and will never be a ballot box issue.

Events in the USA since 2016 suggest this is true. Physical attacks, race war and a perverted election.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2021 12:19 pm

I wasn’t thinking of how much the vaccine passport was operating to deny people the right to work in NSW Dover, as the focus in the msm had been shopping getting a haircut etc.
But you are right they are also a denial of the right to work, though my point about lockdowns also being a denial of the right to work remains.
I remain very hopeful that Dominic Perrottet will put an end to them sooner rather than later.
Dan Andrews, not so much.
Interestingly in a brief conversation with the barista and a Muslim lady this morning in western Melbourne blue ribbon Labor land both were adamant that Andrews needs to go next election.
10,000 at a horse race but no school was her hot button issue.
Seeing will be believing though.

John Brumble
John Brumble
October 12, 2021 12:19 pm

You know, Faustus? I was wondering how dishonest someone would have to be to see statistics for seriously ill and dying people, but instead do the comparison based on getting sick.

I guess now we know.

Here, I’ll give you a hand. What you want to do is walk it back – pretend you never did it – and instead claim something else. I dunno, what about “All of the vaccinated people were clearly the sickest people to start with”? It’s a really good one, because neither of us can possibly go back and check that sort of thing, but only one of us is dishonest enough to not allow that to bother their position.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 12:19 pm

The issue the Caledonia Hotel will run into will be their licensing.
Expect their liquor license to come under scrutiny.
More importantly, the probity issues they’ll face regarding their pokies.
Next, they’ll have a line of credit with some bank, no doubt that could go.
Good on them for trying, but government forces are too great for the humble pub owner to withstand.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2021 12:20 pm

Babasays:
October 12, 2021 at 12:09 pm
About that NSW freedom thingy.

Singleton’s Caledonian Hotel licensee fined for breaching COVID-19 vaccination requirements

So our oh-so-upright Police Commissioner lied not once, but twice, First about not enforcing vaccine certificate, second about the unvaxxed not being allowed outside.

If I had ever been sentenced to prison on the basis of his evidence, I would now be complaining.

cohenite
October 12, 2021 12:21 pm

I love this review.
Movie probably stinks but is upsetting all the right people.

The kiddie Ghostbusters is about as bad as the girlie one. And will fail. The turdball times only wrote a bad review because of the original which hinged on a big double finger to all the bureaucrats and swamp fucks in the world. It was a great movie.

In other fucktard news, superman is now bisexual. Gives a new meaning to rectal prolapse. There is no doubt in my mind that the new Bond will either be black and gay or a trans-woman. The appropriation of normal values by the freaks is almost complete.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 12:24 pm

Edward Snowden
@Snowden
There is something miserable in the figure who enjoyed in their youth the freedom of speech, but from the comfort of age seeks to deny it to others; some deformity of the soul.
11:47 AM · Oct 12, 2021·Twitter Web App

miltonf
miltonf
October 12, 2021 12:26 pm

The cancer from the Frankfurt School continues to eat away at the west. Remember Marcuse’s 60s article ‘repressive tollerance’

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 12:26 pm

superman is now bisexual

Tights. Cape. Two-tone boots. Much hair product.

We always suspected.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 12:26 pm

I bet the Riddler is camp too.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 12, 2021 12:27 pm

Toys in California’s department stores to be gender neutral.

By David Charter
The Times
2 hours ago October 12, 2021
52 Comments

Department stores will be required to display children’s products in gender-neutral sections under a law passed in California “to avoid reinforcing harmful and outdated stereotypes”.

Large shops must have a gender-neutral display of “a reasonable selection” of items “regardless of whether they have been traditionally marketed for either girls or for boys”, the law states.

Although some Republicans dismissed the legislation as intrusive government diktat, it was passed by the Democratic majority after two failed attempts in recent years.

It does not include clothes but applies to toys and “childcare items” such as hygiene and teeth care products. It only applies to shops with at least 500 employees.

“We need to stop stigmatising what’s acceptable for certain genders and just let kids be kids,” Evan Low, a Democrat from San Jose who wrote the bill, said.

“My hope is this bill encourages more businesses across California and the US to avoid reinforcing harmful and outdated stereotypes.”

Low said that he was inspired by one of his staff members’ 10-year-old daughter, who asked why certain items in the store were “off limits” to her because she was a girl.

It comes as Lego, the Danish toy manufacturer, pledged to work towards ending gender stereotypes in its products.

The move was prompted by a survey revealing that 71 per cent of boys fear being mocked for playing with toys commonly associated with girls.

Lego, the world’s largest toymaker, said it was committed to being “more inclusive” and “ensuring that children’s creative ambitions” are not limited by gender stereotypes.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 12:28 pm

Hopefully people don’t scratch the surface of the x-men comics.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 12:29 pm

I just want Lego that picks itself up and puts itself away.

Or at least a glow-in-the-dark feature.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2021 12:29 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2021 12:31 pm

It comes as Lego, the Danish toy manufacturer, pledged to work towards ending gender stereotypes in its products.

Didn’t they have a girl-oriented series based on the Friends TV show? Naughty sexists!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 12:32 pm

The Scoutmaster was the gayest of all the super villains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16kBY2dO-Gk

Dot
Dot
October 12, 2021 12:32 pm

Consider the casual cowardice of a script that uses its own mythology to subtly erase 2016’s all-gals reboot from the canon, giving the rage-choked trolls carpet-bombing IMDb with zero-star ratings the vindication they’ve always craved.

Chick Star Wars and Ghostbusters were shit.

Next.

Baba
Baba
October 12, 2021 12:32 pm

Toys in California’s department stores to be gender neutral.

So we’re not going to see a Barbie with a cock? Sad.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 12, 2021 12:32 pm

superman is now bisexual

Nah.
The dick of steel. Faster than a speeding bullet.

Dot
Dot
October 12, 2021 12:33 pm

Or at least a glow-in-the-dark feature.

Clearly you know these already exist.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 12:33 pm

The rotten stuff was around in 1066, you know. Or…it might be tapestry-shopped.

rosie
rosie
October 12, 2021 12:33 pm

And please watch that music vid at the Newburrie link.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 12, 2021 12:34 pm

But this cant happen…

its a female penis

And no male pervert has ever tried a ruse to access a girls dunny before

https://www.dailywire.com/news/loudoun-county-schools-tried-to-conceal-sexual-assault-against-daughter-in-bathroom-father-says

On June 22, Scott Smith was arrested at a Loudoun County, Virginia school board meeting, a meeting that was ultimately deemed an “unlawful assembly” after many attendees vocally opposed a policy on transgender students.

What people did not know is that, weeks prior, on May 28, Smith says, a boy, allegedly wearing a skirt, entered a girls’ bathroom at nearby Stone Bridge High School, where he sexually assaulted Smith’s ninth-grade daughter.

Juvenile records are sealed, but Scott’s attorney, Elizabeth Lancaster told The Daily Wire that a boy was charged with two counts of forcible sodomy, one count of anal sodomy, and one count of forcible fellatio, related to an incident that day at that school.

As a result of the viral video showing his arrest, Smith became the poster child for what the National School Boards Association has since suggested could be a form of “domestic terrorism”: a white blue-collar male who showed up to harangue obscure public servants on his local school board.

Men know how weird certain other men can get
Thats why there were traditionally segregated spaces and pretty sever punishments for those who stepped outside the law regarding those spaces

Evil is men pretending that once they let perverts into these spaces women and girls wont suffer from it

Megan
Megan
October 12, 2021 12:34 pm

I like Craig Kelly a lot. As to whether he’ll be able to keep Clive in check……hmm, I am doubtful. Clive will want payback…..nothing is free in this world.

At this point in the nightmare I really don’t care. Corruption and cronyism run rampant through our body politic. The present batch of seat warmers and troughers have delivered the current tyrannical circumstances in which we find ourselves. They do not deserve one single vote from me, not even preferentially. At least I can see Clive and his interfering hand and I doubt that neither Craig nor Monica would simply agree to him shoving said hand up the back of their jumpers to control them.
As things stand these two are our best hope to save what furniture we can from the coming conflagration we are watching slowly ignite.

cohenite
October 12, 2021 12:34 pm

Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex

The solution is super man impregnates himself.

Pogria
Pogria
October 12, 2021 12:34 pm

“Gilassays:
October 12, 2021 at 10:40 am
Most people will compromise their principles, long before the executioner chambers the round.
Begging for forgiveness instead of kicking the shit out of anything within reach.
Me? Better an attempt at a final retribution, than cowardly, quiet “honourable” (to whom?) submission.
Leave an, albeit temporary, imprint of your existence.
I would never do a pathetic Bukharin or go down quietly at a metaphorical Katyn.”

Gilas, what we need is our very own Bulldozer Revolution.

We need to scare the shit out of our Slavers and let them know we have reached our last Hill. We should start with the slimy Media.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 12, 2021 12:35 pm

Click on the thumbs up and enter the draw for $50 billion.

miltonf
miltonf
October 12, 2021 12:36 pm

1066 was a very bad year for England. The country and the language never really recovered.

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 12:37 pm

I bet the Riddler is camp too.

Klaus Schwab takes it up the butt

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 12, 2021 12:37 pm

If the electricity providers don’t raise their prices they’ll go bankrupt quicker than a CCP-linked property developer. And if they do raise their prices the retail rate will need to be about US$250/MW just to break even. Ouch!

Maybe this is the way to deal with CCP? If we could limit the amount of coal CCP can get their hands on, this can potentially lead to the collapse of communism in China. A-la Reagan’s Star wars that helped to bring down Soviet Union. Coal Wars!
That implies some pain on our side too, of course. But, “no pain – no gain”. I think some economic suffering could straiten out our priorities here too.

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 12:38 pm

Department stores will be required to display children’s products in gender-neutral sections under a law passed in California “to avoid reinforcing harmful and outdated stereotypes”.

Komrades, two legs good, four legs bad! we are all communists now!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2021 12:38 pm

Hopefully people don’t scratch the surface of the x-men comics.

Bern do you realize you’re being awfully sexist?

Just call him Wokerine: New executive of Marvel universe says studio could drop the ‘Men’ from ‘X-Men’ over concerns the title is not ‘inclusive’ (24 Sep)

Psi is mind over matter: I don’t mind that they soon won’t matter.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2021 12:40 pm

mole

Thats why there were traditionally segregated spaces and pretty sever punishments for those who stepped outside the law regarding those spaces

If we still had “sever” punishments for such transgressors, there would be fewer of them.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 12, 2021 12:40 pm

Psi – what about Ita’s upper leg?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 12, 2021 12:42 pm

Participant-Reported Outcome Published Incidence* V-safe Pregnancy Registry†
% no./total no. (%)
Pregnancy loss among participants with a completed pregnancy
Spontaneous abortion: <20 wk15-17‡ Not applicable 104
Stillbirth: ? 20 wk18-20 <1 1/725 (0.1)§
Neonatal outcome among live-born infants
Preterm birth: <37 wk21,22 8–15 60/636 (9.4)¶
Small size for gestational age23,24? 3.5 23/724 (3.2)
Congenital anomalies25** 3 16/724 (2.2)
Neonatal death26†† <1 0/724

* The populations from which these rates are derived are not matched to the current study population for age, race and ethnic group, or other demographic and clinical factors.

† Data on pregnancy loss are based on 827 participants in the v-safe pregnancy registry who received an mRNA Covid-19 vaccine (BNT162b2 [Pfizer–BioNTech] or mRNA-1273 [Moderna]) from December 14, 2020, to February 28, 2021, and who reported a completed pregnancy. A total of 700 participants (84.6%) received their first eligible dose in the third trimester. Data on neonatal outcomes are based on 724 live-born infants, including 12 sets of multiples.

‡ A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation. No denominator was available to calculate a risk estimate for spontaneous abortions, because at the time of this report, follow-up through 20 weeks was not yet available for 905 of the 1224 participants vaccinated within 30 days before the first day of the last menstrual period or in the first trimester. Furthermore, any risk estimate would need to account for gestational week–specific risk of spontaneous abortion.

§ The denominator includes live-born infants and stillbirths.

¶ The denominator includes only participants vaccinated before 37 weeks of gestation.

? Small size for gestational age indicates a birthweight below the 10th percentile for gestational age and infant sex according to INTERGROWTH-21st growth standards (http://intergrowth21.ndog.ox.ac.uk. opens in new tab). These standards draw from an international sample including both low-income and high-income countries but exclude children with coexisting conditions and malnutrition. They can be used as a standard for healthy children growing under optimal conditions.

** Values include only major congenital anomalies in accordance with the Metropolitan Atlanta Congenital Defects Program 6-Digit Code Defect List (www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/macdp.html. opens in new tab); all pregnancies with major congenital anomalies were exposed to Covid-19 vaccines only in the third trimester of pregnancy (i.e., well after the period of organogenesis).

†† Neonatal death indicates death within the first 28 days after delivery.

The researchers say in footnotes they are taking the 104 on a denominator of 827, but they also make a number of provisos. You claim they admit later their tabulations are not clear on the matter and you will note that they offer above no population contrast, simply ‘not applicable’. However, in the first tabular piece you linked to some time ago (not on this or a recent thread) a figure was produced in that cell, showing a similar population incidence as in the study population, so perhaps your first piece linked was one that expressed their final statement, where there was little difference between the study population and the expected demographic outcome in general concerning spontaneous abortion. Regardless, the table of contrasts for the sample population vs the demographic population in the piece you originally linked (which may have been the researcher’s final conclusions) did then try to make numeric analyses by miscontsruing the meaning of the two population data sets.

I have had it up to here with you and the others on this site who twist every which way to implicate vaxxes in things that the data simply will not support. For instance, as I’ve seen on the Cat recently, taking a figure like 600 deaths in the post-vaxx population as being entirely due to the vaxxes in Australia, which rather denies all other causes of death operating as per normal. Yes, there is a lamentable death rate with vaxxes, and a level of morbidity also unacceptable under normal circumstances, but it is not a stratospheric death rate and it is a whole order of magnitude different to the Covid deaths under epidemic conditions in particular age ranges, morbidities and in conditions such as pregnancy.

NO MORE now on this lunacy. Timothy, and others, you make what you will of it.
I’ve been busy, I am going out now, then I am more busy, and for quite a while.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2021 12:46 pm

The rotten stuff was around in 1066, you know.

Lego?
Edward’s secret weapon at Crécy.
Stopped the French cavalry cold.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 12:47 pm

Working from home today & just received my package from the Sydney based place I ordered from two weeks ago today.
AusPost ecosystem.
The order on the same day from the US, reached Australia two Friday’s ago & is still classified as being at “Sydney airport facility”.

Goanna
Goanna
October 12, 2021 12:48 pm

Pelham
@Resist_05
·
1h
Medical Apartheid in Australia.. Prime Minister, Scott Morrison is flying in thousands of migrants to replace the doctors, nurses, teachers.. terminated under no jab, no job..!

Good luck with that.
A local overseas doctor couldn’t invert my eyelid to remove a splinter. He gave me pain relief on the Saturday to see me through to Monday.

Hell. You can just about do it yourself.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 12, 2021 12:48 pm

superman is now bisexual

And the phantom buggers his dog.

Bushkid
Bushkid
October 12, 2021 12:50 pm

dover0beach says:
October 12, 2021 at 10:18 am
Pelham
@Resist_05
·
1h
Medical Apartheid in Australia.. Prime Minister, Scott Morrison is flying in thousands of migrants to replace the doctors, nurses, teachers.. terminated under no jab, no job..!
No words.

No polite ones anyway.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 12, 2021 12:50 pm

1066 was a very bad year for England.

What have the Normans ever done for us?

Chris
Chris
October 12, 2021 12:55 pm

What have the Normans ever done for us?

🙂

The Norman invasion brought my family to that emerald isle, set in a silver sea; and ultimately to the happy warmth of farms and mines of Australia. I sure hope they got to bonk the heck out of some really hot Pommy chicks to make that possible.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 12, 2021 12:56 pm

Boambee John

That was a rare case of spellwrecker using its powers for good

A sever penalty would be a just outcome

In that story it outlines the school board chap telling the meeting (with the father of the assaulted girl there) that there had been no reported incidents
I can imagine the father was a bit grumpy a that
Oh and a fembot* told him his daughter was probably lying

* Not normal females, badly programmed pod people reproductions of normal women

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 12, 2021 1:00 pm

Singleton’s Caledonian Hotel licensee fined for breaching COVID-19 vaccination requirements

Makes the government look quite odious. Without the least exertion and without even an acknowledgment of the currents of feeling swirling around they blithely issue a fine.

They do not have to stir from their desks, they do not have to defend their case. They were never in danger of having their own incomes impacted as public servants were spared the rigours of paying their own way.

They issue a fine, and if the money does not front up and the victim grovel in apology the newly exposed thuggishness of the police and grinding millstones of government lawyers will be brought to bear on a couple of individual citizens.

They are like a leech growing fat off the lifeblood of its host while complaining, disapproving, and making demands as to how the host manages to keep that blood flowing.

It really is a swamp.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 12, 2021 1:03 pm

Make that orders of magnitude. It is not just one. 🙂

I’ve just come off commenting on the Australian on Morrison’s turncoat lunacy.
At least there comments are running almost 100% in the right direction, against CO2 hysteria.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 12, 2021 1:05 pm

Makes the government look quite odious.

They are quite odious. I hope the publican appeals.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 12, 2021 1:10 pm

A local overseas doctor couldn’t invert my eyelid to remove a splinter. He gave me pain relief on the Saturday to see me through to Monday.

It’s almost impossible these days to get a GP to lay a finger on you.
They send just about everything, including some examinations, off to a ‘specialist’ or emergency.
Given that the internet, carefully used, is a better source for many things than most GP’s, they need to be careful they are not in the process of making themselve redundant.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2021 1:13 pm

Bit of a tell that Pfizer, Merck and now Astra-Zeneca are all spruiking new Covid drugs.

AstraZeneca logs upbeat trial results from COVID drug (11 Oct)

Somehow they don’t seem very confident about the efficacy of their own vaccines. But, please, nobody mention the I word.

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 12, 2021 1:13 pm

John of Mel says:
October 12, 2021 at 12:37 pm
Maybe this is the way to deal with CCP? If we could limit the amount of coal CCP can get their hands on,

I think what we’re going through right now is the CCP making sure they can get whatever coal and other resources they need from their Australian province.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
October 12, 2021 1:14 pm

I hear Superman’s sidekick will now be called ‘Reacharound’.

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 1:14 pm

Just call him Wokerine: New executive of Marvel universe says studio could drop the ‘Men’ from ‘X-Men’ over concerns the title is not ‘inclusive’

X-its, Xs-ist? little shits?

cohenite
October 12, 2021 1:15 pm

This is from fuckity fuck women’s weekly so:

Prince Charles has taken a bold stance against climate change and urged world leaders like Scott Morrison to do the same with a “last chance” statement.

His message comes just weeks ahead of the UN Climate Change Conference (COP26) which is set to begin on Sunday 31st October in Glasgow, Scotland.

It will run until Friday 12th November, with guests including U.S. president Joe Biden, U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, and the Pope, as well as The Queen, Prince Charles, Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge.

But during an interview with the BBC, Prince Charles was told that Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison remained on the fence about attending, sparking a bold response from Charles.

“Is that what he says?” the future king asked climate editor Justin Rowlatt.

When asked what the Prince of Wales would say to leaders about why they should attend the conference, Charles emphasised that this meeting is a “last chance saloon”.

He went on to explain that if change doesn’t happen now, it will be “almost impossible to catch up”.

“It is already beginning to be catastrophic, because nothing in nature can survive the stress that is created by these extremes of weather,” Charles said.

When pressed about his advice to the Australian government with regards to their inaction on climate change, the prince gave a measured reply.

This is a hill to die on; this and the other inbred, dumb as turds elites who are going to kill the rest of us, intentionally or otherwise.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 12, 2021 1:17 pm

Are we..outlaws?

Utlaga… the unvaccinated?

outlaw (n.) Old English utlaga “one put outside the law” (and thereby deprived of its benefits and protections), from a Scandinavian source such as Old Norse utlagi (n.) “outlaw,” from utlagr (adj.) “outlawed, banished,” from ut “out” (see out (adv.)) + *lagu, plural of lag “law” (see law). Formerly it was lawful for anyone to kill such a person. [G]if he man to deaðe gefylle, beo he þonne utlah [“Laws of Edward & Guthrum,” c.924] Meaning “disorderly person living in defiant violation of the law, one living a lawless life” is recorded by 1880. As an adjective, from Old English. outlaw (v.) Old English utlagian “to banish, proscribe, declare an outlaw; to deprive (someone) of the benefits and protections of the law,” from utlaga “an outlaw” (see outlaw (n.)). Related: Outlawed; outlawing.

Arky
October 12, 2021 1:20 pm

Surprise!
The usual dumb as dogshit turds who squawked for months “It’ll never be mandatory”, nor screeching we must go along with vaxx apatheid because “businesses”.
Take a good look at yourself, you morons.

Arky
October 12, 2021 1:21 pm

now

Arky
October 12, 2021 1:22 pm

wait…
wait…
wait…
Next is “I’m against vaxx mandates. It’s not me making you get it, why are you yelling at meeeeeeeee”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 12, 2021 1:25 pm

Kerryn Phelps should wear 10 masks, just to be safe.
That way we wouldn’t have to listen to her anymore.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 12, 2021 1:26 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 12, 2021 at 12:42 pm

Let’s re-roll the tape.

(Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 11, 2021 at 10:54 pm
….
The idiot commentators in the particular piece you linked to some time ago (ooh lookit the way their figures don’t add up, they were saying) tried to assess the vaxx population by reference to the figures for the demographic population. In my book that is ‘toting up the two columns’, trying to make the one relate to the other as part of the study population, which of course it is not. What they did is totally confuse the study population (the denominator) with the contrast population (the other column) and then tried to fit the data for the former into the results for the latter. Hence it gave the figure that at 2.58pm today you were so happy to tout – that 115 miscarriages occured among the 147 women you believed were vaxxed in their first or second trimester. Patently ridiculous.

Timothy Neilsonsays:
October 12, 2021 at 11:41 am
…..[note it’s my fault that “847” instead of “827” crept in]
Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to explain, on the basis of the authors’ own numbers (827 sample, 700 3rd trimester vaxxed, 115 failed pregnancies within 20 weeks among the 827 sample), how the critics got to 115/127 if the critics’ numbers included figures for the “contrast population” (or “demographic population” as you referred to it in a previous comment, or any other way you wish to describe it).

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 12, 2021 at 12:42 pm

[Read it yourselves if you want to.
English translation: Lizzie has absolutely no possibility of even beginning an explanation of how the critics could have got to their numbers if they’d confused the study population with the “contrast population”. So she posts great slabs of text, reasserts that the critics had got those things confused without even attempting to explain how that fits the critics’ actual numbers that she derides, and then does a flounce.]

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 12, 2021 1:28 pm

and then does a flounce.

I miss the flounces on the Old Cat……

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 1:33 pm

I miss the flounces on the Old Cat……

Alright. Since you asked nicely.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2021 1:33 pm

He went on to explain that if change doesn’t happen now, it will be “almost impossible to catch up”.

I think that if you check back, you will find that Not-so-Bonny Prince Charlie has told us about our “last chance” at least once before, several years ago. Perhaps he hopes that no-one remembers. Or advancing senility has ensured that he doesn’t.

Ivan Denisovich
Ivan Denisovich
October 12, 2021 1:35 pm

When asked what the Prince of Wales would say to leaders about why they should attend the conference, Charles emphasised that this meeting is a “last chance saloon”.

He went on to explain that if change doesn’t happen now, it will be “almost impossible to catch up”.

The Spectator, May 2017:

Each year, this column has the melancholy duty of reminding the public of the Prince of Wales’s prediction, made in Brazil in March 2009, that there were only 100 months left to prevent ‘irretrievable climate collapse’. Those 100 months will have elapsed at the end of next month, so it looks as if we are all doomed.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/will-prince-charles-s-climate-collapse-prediction-come-true-

areff
areff
October 12, 2021 1:37 pm

Superdooperupthepooperman

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 12, 2021 1:37 pm

(Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 11, 2021 at 10:54 pm
….
. Hence it gave the figure that at 2.58pm today you were so happy to tout – that 115 miscarriages occured among the 147 women you believed were vaxxed in their first or second trimester. Patently ridiculous.

I should have noted what a colossal logic fail this is.
The whole point of the study was to determine whether vaxxing pregnant women created any extraordinary risk.
If extraordinary numbers are going to be dismissed as “patently ridiculous” why bother doing the study at all?

The authors now say that the final data is very different to the “preliminary” data and that there’s no evidence of an extraordinary risk,. So be it. But they themselves admitted that their critics were right that 827 was the wrong denominator for the preliminary study.

Speaking with the full authority and expertise of someone who did some statistics lessons as part of Darkie Harris’ third form maths class in 1975, I suspect that the whole premise behind the preliminary study was flawed. The total sample group was births notified between 14 December and 28 February, and the preliminary study was of the 827 pregnancies “completed” by around April. So any failed pregnancy was automatically in, while the authors’ own methodology seems to have excluded from their sample women from the total sample group whose pregnancy hadn’t yet reached normal term but hadn’t had a failed pregnancy.
But note that’s the opposite of Lizzie’s bullshit. She’s asserting that the error was by the critics, and that it consisted of bringing “control” population in to the equation, not excluding them from it.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 1:38 pm

Volkischer Beobachter

I had to look that up. You’re not wrong, Dot.

Disgusting propaganda.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 12, 2021 1:38 pm

A mate of mine is just back from a trip with his family to Qld. Self-quarantining for a fortnight, housebound, him, wife and three primary school kids.
Surprised to learn that he is under a mobile phone alert- the filth can buzz him anytime, and he has five minutes to send a selfie of him and his lessers on location.
I don’t think it’s known that this is going on right now in WA.

132andBush
132andBush
October 12, 2021 1:41 pm

In spite of there being no requirement to wear a mask in the open air I’d say 99% of people on the mean streets of Griffith are still doing so.

I’m having lunch at the park with the cenotaph. Seven granite tablets with all the names.
What the hell would those diggers think of the people in the street today?

Pogria
Pogria
October 12, 2021 1:43 pm

Wally Dali,

some weeks back it was reported breathlessly on Slime Media that what you have described will be de rigeur in SA. There were quite a few people who stated they would send dick, flap, twat and bumhole pics in return. I hope they did and I hope your mate sends a few their way also.

132andBush
132andBush
October 12, 2021 1:43 pm

Eight tablets.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 12, 2021 1:45 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:

October 12, 2021 at 1:05 pm

Makes the government look quite odious.

They are quite odious. I hope the publican appeals.

I wonder if what we are seeing is a power struggle between Dom Perrottet ’96 and the bureacracy (ie Cherry Kant and The Commish).
Kant and The Commish will be prosecuting every tiny breach reported on The Soshuls by Nurse Karens.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 1:45 pm

On the subject of flounces, the delicate art of exiting is sadly lacking also.

Baba
Baba
October 12, 2021 1:47 pm

Utlaga

As a boy’s name it beats the shit out of Jaxtynn.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 12, 2021 1:48 pm

Is “Kryptonite” a euphemism for AIDS?

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 1:49 pm

power struggle between Dom Perrottet ’96 and the bureacracy (ie Cherry Kant and The Commish).

We can only hope. He needs to annihilate both of them. Properly. None of this popping back up out of the coffin stuff.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 12, 2021 1:50 pm

John Brumble says:
October 12, 2021 at 12:19 pm
You know, Faustus? I was wondering how dishonest someone would have to be to see statistics for seriously ill and dying people, but instead do the comparison based on getting sick.

Thought it was obvious; but OK.

The cohort of 38 vaxxed sick suffered 5 deaths (rate = ~13%) and 8 serious cases (rate = ~21%).

Applying these rates to the cohort of 4 unvaxxed sick would give about 0.5 deaths and 0.8 seriously ill. So, with such a tiny sample, no statistical surprise to see zero and zero.

And no need for “All of the vaccinated people were clearly the sickest people to start with”.

No, don’t thank me.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 12, 2021 1:51 pm

In spite of there being no requirement to wear a mask in the open air I’d say 99% of people on the mean streets of Griffith are still doing so.

Wow!
I think it’s going the opposite way in Melbourne.
Outdoor mask compliance is still high, but by no means total, in the main shopping strips, but I’d estimate it at less than 50% in parks.
Maybe it’s lockdown fatigue here.

Roger
Roger
October 12, 2021 1:55 pm

He needs to annihilate both of them. Properly. None of this popping back up out of the coffin stuff.

Dom doesn’t look like the annihilating type to me.

(I’d be happy for him to prove me wrong though.)

And it was nice of the NSW PC to give him a pass on a fine for drinking a beer while standing at the bar yesterday.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 12, 2021 2:09 pm

I have noticed when the various directors, secretaries, deputies, deputy directors, deputy secretaries etc etc that are hauled into senate hearings are quizzed about the DOJ memo to the FBI about being ready to clamp down on uppity parents that these directors, secretaries etc etc explain that it is their duty to respond to cases where schoolboard members are threatened and intimidated. We live in a democracy and such behaviour cannot be accepted.

There have been no cases of any parents threatening anyone or intimidating them – certainly when asked for this the deputirectoraries etc can cite none.

We are talking about school board meetings at town level. The parents in these towns are being told that if they step out of line (as defined by the schoolboards) that the federal DOJ and FBI will tumble down upon them. This at the instigation of the schoolboards that don’t want any opposition to their indoctrinating children.

Who precisely is being threatened, and intimidated?

struth
struth
October 12, 2021 2:19 pm

The only people I think are even moderately entitled to criticise vaxxed Sydneysiders coming out of months of lockdown are other Sydneysiders.
These are state issues that affect nobody else.
Anyone who’s been free to get a haircut, socialise etc with barely an interruption has no business carping about Sydneysiders, not unless they stayed under a self imposed in solidarity lockdown these last several months.
And they obviously don’t care an iota about the small businesses who’ve had their backs against the wall for so long either and are finally able to put a few bucks in the til.
I was sad to close my shop back in November 2019, but really what a fortuitous decision that was.

POS.
A jab is a vote for a covid passport.
Enough votes and in comes the passport.
Submission will kill millions more than standing firm ever would have.
Have those that got the jab gone out and sat in their segregated “whites only” areas?
At least when they do, we can clearly see who they are and who is responsible for all this.
Who would want to be among them anyway?

Surprise!
The usual dumb as dogshit turds who squawked for months “It’ll never be mandatory”, nor screeching we must go along with vaxx apatheid because “businesses”.
Take a good look at yourself, you morons.

Quite gentle language from Arky.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 2:28 pm

that 115 miscarriages occured among the 147 women you believed were vaxxed in their first or second trimester

Even though the study had it’s issues, isn’t this exactly what the study showed?

Pogria
Pogria
October 12, 2021 2:29 pm

I am going to dodge the Vax Mandate by becoming Amish.

A small sample;
Calvin Lapp is Amish Mennonite.

Lapp: There’s three things the Amish don’t like. And that’s government— they won’t get involved in the government, they don’t like the public education system— they won’t send their children to education, and they also don’t like the health system. They rip us off. Those are three things that we feel like we’re fighting against all the time. Well, those three things are all part of what Covid is.

Definitely my kind of people. The article is worth a read.

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2021 2:30 pm

I’ve been busy, I am going out now, then I am more busy, and for quite a while.

maybe you could use the bottles like a squirter … you know, for the unwashed

areff
areff
October 12, 2021 2:41 pm

Operation Watts hearings back on again.

https://www.ibac.vic.gov.au/investigating-corruption/IBAC-examinations/operation-watts/video-stream

Blonde now testifying worked for small biz ministers and says there wasn’t much to do, so there was plenty of time for stacking

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2021 2:42 pm

and then does a flounce.

I think she’s up to her third micro-flounce in 24hrs

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 12, 2021 2:42 pm

When asked what the Prince of Wales would say to leaders about why they should attend the conference, Charles emphasised that this meeting is a “last chance saloon”.

Who in the wide world gives half a damp fart in a thunderstorm what the silly old bugger thinks?

Oops, there goes my knighthood.

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2021 2:45 pm

Superdooperupthepooperman

It really is a metaphor for the new world order.

Up up, and away

consent not possible

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 2:49 pm

Interesting article, Pogria.

It’s a worse thing to quit working than dying. Working is more important than dying. But to shut down and say that we can’t go to church, we can’t get together with family, we can’t see our old people in the hospital, we got to quit working? It’s going completely against everything that we believe. You’re changing our culture completely to try to act like they wanted us to act the last year, and we’re not going to do it.

Good on them.

I’ve been to Lancaster and stayed there a few days. And yes, I’ve been to Intercourse. 😀 They really do not live completely separately – they have a phone booth for emergencies and electricity for some activities, mostly associated with farming. And they mix with the “English” when shopping and just getting around. The horses are ex-racehorses and the buggies are fibreglass.

What is really important is that people don’t stray too far from home. So, if disease hits, it’s going to be concentrated in the community and easily spread. What they’ve proved is that if you’re fit and healthy, Covid won’t do much harm. Like the rest of America, there are some real chubsters there, but by and large, most are lean.

I’m not surprised that they’ve achieved herd immunity for Alpha. It would be interesting to see what that means for subsequent strains and even more interesting will be if the “scientific” community is prepared to turn their backs on their stupid models and learn anything themselves.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 12, 2021 2:52 pm

One of the things that people feel pleased about in the modern world is the extended childhood.

A couple of centuries ago kids were expected to go out and help earn at quite a young age.

Enlightened us consider this a reprehensible thing, and can scarce think other than those parents of yore were somehow malicious. We demand that children be able to reach ages near their 20th before deeming that they should take on adult responsibilities.

Sounds nice, yeah?

And yet, we now burden them with responsibility for the whole freaking planet, for all people, all life of all species, of all time. Moreover they are not considered to have been born in innocence, but they are guilty by dint of their very birth.

Children once worked on the farm from a young age but at least it was under the instruction and supervision of people parents. Even ignoring parental love there was the fact that an injured kid could contribute nothing that would have them calibrate what they get the kid to do. The family mattered back then.

Now it is all about heaping causes, issues and guilt upon them by their teachers. These teachers are not responsible for bringing up the child. At the end of the year the conveyor belt slips along and the kid goes to the next year. The teacher does not have to pay for the psychologist, help them sleep at night, or explain to them that it is OK for them to go on a holiday instead of worrying about seas washing over their houses and bones bleaching in barren deserts. They don’t have to tell the kids that they are not bad just because they are boys, or that the kid who hand-made Valentine’s card for their daughter is not a ropist in waiting.

The ones who actually love the kids are being sidelined. All is being given to the teachers and the teachers unions. But they don’t give a rat’s for kids. Their eyes are focused elsewhere, beyond their charges, where all their causes converge into a utopian mirage. To them children are just a translucent blur that they are looking though.

Those kids who used to help Mum with the washing or Dad with feeding the pigs were in paradise compared to the purgatory kids are born into today.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 2:59 pm

Outsourced parenting is the biggest problem. Next is the worship of “career” over life and living it thoroughly.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
October 12, 2021 2:59 pm

“Gay son of powerful white man inherits family business, dresses up and pashes on”
Not really headline announcement. At least Marvel Phase 4 had us guessing about what it actually meant.

Cassie of Sydney
October 12, 2021 3:04 pm

“Mother Lodesays:
October 12, 2021 at 2:52 pm”

Excellent comment ML.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 12, 2021 3:04 pm

ower struggle between Dom Perrottet ’96 and the bureacracy (ie Cherry Kant and The Commish).

We can only hope. He needs to annihilate both of them. Properly. None of this popping back up out of the coffin stuff.

Newman tried, Abbott tried, Trump tried. He will have the bureaucracy, unions, media and what not – all aligned against him.

Palmer reckons that Gladys was brought to heel via ICAC [and what made her change her semi-sensible gentle touch approach from last year to the brutal lockdown we are still in]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDkNHmCYPw4

I’d say that ICAC, journos, and other activists will be going through his garbage cans looking for ANY and EVERY piece of dirt they can find Perrottet. So that the money will keep on flowing from the Pharma to the lobbyists and puppet masters.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 3:12 pm

Jon Gruden resigns from Washington Football Team.
Was one of the best football analysts I’ve ever seen.
Was one of the worst coaches I’ve ever seen.
Reading some of the emails he sent, oh boy.
So fired.

Cassie of Sydney
October 12, 2021 3:13 pm

I know a young man who is now in his late twenties. He’s never grown up. Born into affluence, private schooling and zero responsibilities. He went vegan when he was eighteen and started sprouting progressive rubbish at about the same time. I am no fortune teller but even I knew that this was a trajectory that was going to cause trouble….a couple of years ago he was arrested at a climate protest….given a small fine….and carried on as before. He’s now non-binary! It’s a perpetual adolescence….and a craving for attention. I find him pathetic and I can’t even look at him.

twostix
twostix
October 12, 2021 3:15 pm

The only people I think are even moderately entitled to criticise vaxxed Sydneysiders coming out of months of lockdown are other Sydneysiders.
These are state issues that affect nobody else.

“You’re making me feel uncomfortable! Shutup!!”

Delta A
Delta A
October 12, 2021 3:22 pm

Mother Lodesays:
October 12, 2021 at 2:52 pm

An excellent post, ML.

This should be on the front page as I’m sure there are many Cats who would like to comment, citing their own experiences or opinions.

Pogria
Pogria
October 12, 2021 3:27 pm

Calli, many years ago my partner and I were involved in competing with Heavy Horses. One of the goals of practically everyone with a draughty was to own a set of Amish made harness for their horses.

We were all so envious when someone would come back from the States with a full set of the Amish harness. I would kill for one of their fuel stoves. The waiting list for them is over eighteen months. Don’t know if they export them. Wonderful craftsmen.

twostix
twostix
October 12, 2021 3:38 pm

So I see NSW is still mass imprisoning people without trial unless they get a medical procedure they don’t want.

As predicted months ago (and this is getting boring at this point) what we’re seeing is people who took the vaccine are overwhelmingly ok with that, quietly (or not) making stupid excuses and downplaying the tyranny of it to salve their consciences, or worse simply completely absent from pushing back against the absolute atrocity of it in a way they promised they would not be.

Very few exceptions.

Oh and they mostly all went out and immediately got their license to be in public too. Welcome new world order of now needing a government license to be off your property.

Accepting the vaccine, partaking in that mandatory social ritual mentally obliterates opposition to any of this. It’s what you see daily, it’s why the establishment class are pushing it so hard on everyone at any cost. The physical act of capitulation collapses the mental resistance of a person resisting being controlled and changed. This has been known in every coercive society and cult literally since Eden. There is always a ritual and the mob always says you must join in. And worse, once people have done it, even the most reluctant become urgers, sometimes the most sinister of all as they subconsciously quietly work to get everyone to join them in their permanently conflicted, compromised-inner-self prison.

Nevermind, old civilisation….it was good knowing you, we will never meet again.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 3:40 pm

The Amish did have a tremendous business making quality furniture too. Naturally the techniques used were the old, tried and true ones and the furniture lasted.

The ones I spoke to were highly pragmatic – modern materials would be used if they achieved practical results eg. animal glues exchanged for better, modern ones. Same with sewn items – many had electric sewing machines but were still a dab hand with the treadle.

The most fun thing they had were the glider scooters for the ladies. Pump tyres. No pushbikes – they would take them too far from home. But a scooter could take them only so far, so that was okay.

Arky
October 12, 2021 3:47 pm

Oh and they mostly all went out and immediately got their license to be in public too. Welcome new world order of now needing a government license to be off your property.

..
Doesn’t seem to worry a lot of them at all.
The fact is, if you have to show your papers to go have a coffee, you haven’t gained anything over me who will just stay home, stay unvaxxed and simply refuse to use anything that requires me to show papers THAT I WILL NEVER GET.
EVER.
You idiots can participate in a police state.
I refuse.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 3:47 pm

Indolent, this link.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 3:48 pm

There is a third alternative. You may be vaxxed and refuse to use your “papers”.

cohenite
October 12, 2021 3:49 pm

I find him pathetic and I can’t even look at him.

Kick him in the cods.

Indolent
Indolent
October 12, 2021 3:49 pm

Italy: Chaos hits Rome streets as anti-COVID pass protesters clash with police

They’re showing much more life than we are. Yesterday should go down in infamy as Segregation Day, something I never thought I would see in Australia.

Arky
October 12, 2021 3:49 pm

When you come to your senses, I’ll still be here, urging you to delete your state surveilence app or whatever the fuck it is. You can’t get unvaxxed, but you can get un- apped.

Indolent
Indolent
October 12, 2021 3:51 pm
calli
calli
October 12, 2021 3:51 pm

Thanks Graeme.

You made an assumption about me over at DashCat. Never assume.

Pogria
Pogria
October 12, 2021 3:52 pm

While I have never been to the States or met any “live” Amish ;), I have read they are a very practical people. Although they eschew modern conveniences and energy in the home, they have no problem with using electricity or gas in their workshops on the outskirts of the community.

I agree with them that it does not clash with their beliefs that they utilise the kind of tools and labour saving energy which makes their work easier and enables them to produce more in a shorter amount of time. They need to earn money quite apart from their farming activities. They stick to their simple way of life in their homes. That is the most important thing to them after God. Family is everything.

Arky
October 12, 2021 3:54 pm

callisays:
October 12, 2021 at 3:48 pm
There is a third alternative. You may be vaxxed and refuse to use your “papers”.

..
No, I think 2stix is correct. Making the decision itself alters most people’s attitudes to the accompanying surveilence.
It’s like having a $50 Bunnings voucher when normally you wouldn’t go anywhere near that shit shop.
Suddenly, having some pimply 17 year old want to look in your shit before you’re “allowed” to leave the store seems reasonable. “I have to check your receipt”. “You just watched me go through the registers and pay for all this useless shit”.

Dot
Dot
October 12, 2021 3:56 pm

Piss off Graeme.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 3:57 pm

Their big problem is “shunning”. They allow their children free choice about remaining Amish, even letting them go off for a year or so to sample life among the “English”.

If the child chooses life outside the community, they are cut off. Completely.

The other thing is language. It’s a German dialect that is no longer “alive” outside the Amish community. To belong, you have to speak it and it’s very difficult to learn. I asked them about this because I wondered if someone fell in love with an Amish and wanted to marry, how they would be absorbed into their world. Not likely was the reply.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 4:00 pm

Making assumptions again. I’m not “most people”.

Then again, neither was Joan of Arc! 😀

Arky
October 12, 2021 4:02 pm

Making assumptions again. I’m not “most people”.

..
I didn’t say you were.
It’s why I said “alters most people’s attitudes” instead of “alters people’s attitudes.
Those nanos are making you a bit hyper sensitive like the other vaxx undead. Fight them Calli. Fight them!

Major Elvis Newton
Major Elvis Newton
October 12, 2021 4:02 pm

Great post ML

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 4:08 pm

I’m not the one making broad brush but ever-so-dazzling statements about real people under terrible pressure and their dreadful crime should they crumble and the fate that awaits them.

I am still under house arrest. Less free than I was a week ago, as it turns out. I have friends who are out and about enjoying their privileges under the new regime. I’ve told them I won’t be back until we’re all back.

It may be that I’ll never enter the community centre again. Too bad.

Arky
October 12, 2021 4:11 pm

I’m not the one making broad brush but ever-so-dazzling statements about real people under terrible pressure and their dreadful crime should they crumble and the fate that awaits them.

..
Uh huh.
So now you too think the most important thing in this time is to show deference to those who went along.
OK.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 4:12 pm

I see a new thread has opened on the subject.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 12, 2021 4:14 pm

Governments with members under serious investigation for corruption by ICAC and IBAC are forcing the community to divide into insiders and outsiders.
All you can eat maggot buffet.

Gilas
Gilas
October 12, 2021 4:17 pm

calli says:
October 12, 2021 at 3:51 pm
Thanks Graeme.
You made an assumption about me over at DashCat. Never assume.

Pogria? I thought he was Grooogs.

calli
calli
October 12, 2021 4:18 pm

Is he, Gilas? I can never tell these days.

Gilas
Gilas
October 12, 2021 4:22 pm

calli says:
October 12, 2021 at 4:18 pm

Is he, Gilas? I can never tell these days.

Now Monty Busby’s in on the act. Who knows?
Was going to comment about sock paucity a couple of days ago.. that didn’t last.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 12, 2021 4:23 pm

Getting the coof vax is like jumping out of a skyscaper upper floor window and calling out to people on the way down “so far, so good”.
Apart from the repugnant moral aspects of aiding tyranny.

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2021 4:25 pm

Excellent comment ML

should have Guest Posted that one

[big thumb]

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2021 4:27 pm

I thought it was Monty Busby!

Gilas
Gilas
October 12, 2021 4:28 pm

Groogs’ earlier link on the Bulldozer Revolution in Serbia, in 2000, was interesting.
A couple of take-away messages:

1) Serbians have far-bigger cojones than anyone in the current Anglo-Saxon world, including the US.

2) They have to go through it all again, just 20 years later. Must be a generational thing, and the metastatic-cancerous-zombie-like quality of commo-socialism.

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