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Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 21, 2021 7:36 pm

President Trump Announces Trump Media and Technology Group and ‘Truth Social’ Media Platform

Old Faustus Prediction: Congress develops a new and abiding interest in regulating social media platforms.

Dot
Dot
October 21, 2021 7:42 pm

Eyriesays:
October 21, 2021 at 7:28 pm
Geez, dot, lessee. A 100% chance of death from cancer from some even high risk of death or serious injury from a vaccine vs a sub 1% chance of dying from a seasonal flu vs unknown risks of an untested vaccine.
Not exactly the same thing.

Um yeah. That’s the point I was trying to make.

vr
vr
October 21, 2021 7:45 pm

Are gyms allowed to open tomorrow? Thanks. Originally posted this in the wrong thread.

Indolent
Indolent
October 21, 2021 7:45 pm

I see our Red-Faced Guard is screaming at us about our lack of purity, again.

Or you could simply substitute “freedom” for “purity” because if we ever want to have it again we will have to take it back.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 21, 2021 7:50 pm

Old Faustus Prediction: Congress develops a new and abiding interest in regulating social media platforms.

Thus falling into The Donald’s cunning trap?

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
October 21, 2021 7:53 pm

David Jones in Bondi Junction has closed off it’s side door and curtained off it’s entrances on each floor to funnel everyone through a vaccine checkpoint.

Local Bunnings has closed off multiple entries as of this week, probably for same reason.

MatrixTransform
October 21, 2021 7:56 pm

I think they have all be terrorised into submission by the government.

wait until they wake from the nightmare and discover they’re still in a market.

that’s when the real terror starts.

** same goes for govt

Vicki
Vicki
October 21, 2021 7:57 pm

David Jones in Bondi Junction has closed off it’s side door and curtained off it’s entrances on each floor to funnel everyone through a vaccine checkpoint. That is the world we now live in.

Yes, husband and I are finding the same. Virtually all major stores (except Bunnings) are requiring Vax passports. We were lucky in completing an addition to farmhouse & furnishing it, before this crap. At the moment we can obtain food (& alcohol!), livestock supplies, fuel, farming equipment, nursery plants, pharmacy items, conduct business at the bank, go to the tip, and obtain reasonable takeaway lunches on visits to the town. That will do for now.

I am doing a reasonable job of cutting our hair, and we have, at the moment, few other requirements.

We are determined to see this out. We have travelled all over the world (and most of Australia) over our lifetime & have very little left in our bucket list. We have a house in Sydney which is locked up & good neighbours keep a watch over. We miss our family a great deal & city friends. But we have very supportive country neighbours & friends, which has been vital over the last 9 months.

I have spent every waking hour (when not doing farm & house work) researching the vaccines and seeking out the dissenting virologists, immunologists & epidemiologists. As I’m sure most of the Cats have also done. Whenever anyone condemns my position as uninformed, I offer them my list of about 30 eminent experts, including Nobel Prize winners, as evidence of the opposing position. I’m damned if uninformed politicians or bureaucrats and/or evil autocrats will coerce me with fear or incentives to be vaccinated with an experimental and proven ineffective (in the long term) vaccines which have caused known, and unknown, injury.

Emeritus Prof. Bob Clancy reckons pandemics never last for more than a couple of years.
In the meantime with the assistance of good food, daily Vit C, D3, Zinc & Quercetin & LOTS of exercise, we will hopefully keep fitter than most our age. If we by very bad luck contract the damn thing, we have the recommended protocol at hand.

But we will NEVER forget the spite shown towards genuine dissenters. Nor will we ever forget the careless deprivation of our liberty and democratic rights by the political and bureaucratic classes. WE will NEVER trust them again. The divisions are drawn.

MatrixTransform
October 21, 2021 7:58 pm

you gotta wonder at customers too … do they want coffee, or a coffee shop?

rosie
rosie
October 21, 2021 8:00 pm

I don’t think Melbourne gyms are opening til i November?

Dot
Dot
October 21, 2021 8:04 pm

Emeritus Prof. Bob Clancy reckons pandemics never last for more than a couple of years.

That is usually how they are defined.

MatrixTransform
October 21, 2021 8:06 pm

Bunnings Health Care !

… all choice, but no option

Winston Smith
October 21, 2021 8:24 pm

Rorschach:

HOW much business are the local shops missing out on because they CAN’T serve the unvaxxed? This prevents small business recovery as again, only the online giants [Amazon etc] benefit.

You have stumbled across the pea under the thimble.
In the US, the Middle Class is being crushed.
The Big Boys are drowning in loot.
This was the cost of the support from the the 1% who now own more than everybody else.
Welcome to our Fascist Future.

Dot
Dot
October 21, 2021 8:26 pm

So hot right now, JC.

Pedro the Loafer
October 21, 2021 8:29 pm

That poor little tyke missing from the campground at Carnarvon now appears to have been kidnapped with
WA police offering a $1 million reward for information to her whereabouts.

What a nightmare for her parents.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 8:29 pm

In the US, the Middle Class is being crushed.

No it hasn’t you hallucinating moron. You’re an embarrassment to the Catallaxy name.

cohenite
October 21, 2021 8:34 pm

President Trump Announces Trump Media and Technology Group and ‘Truth Social’ Media Platform
October 20, 2021 | Sundance

Waste of time. Trump must know he has to do what the left do: seize an established leftie outlet – CNN, MSNBC etc and then convert it to a conservative outlet

Dot
Dot
October 21, 2021 8:34 pm

Define middle class though.

Who are (or were) the well off blue collar families?

Why are the middle class, middle class?

Who benefits from an expansion of government?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 21, 2021 8:40 pm

What a nightmare for her parents.

I’ll bet the TWENTY registered sex offenders, living in that area, have been interrogated to within an inch of their lives…

Arky
October 21, 2021 8:44 pm

JCsays:
October 21, 2021 at 8:29 pm
In the US, the Middle Class is being crushed.

No it hasn’t you hallucinating moron. You’re an embarrassment to the Catallaxy name.
..
There’s more than one thing going on.
It’s flattening while the extreme top races ahead.
See this:
https://www.ft.com/content/98ce14ee-99a6-11e5-95c7-d47aa298f769

Arky
October 21, 2021 8:45 pm

Quote fail.
It’s JC calling someone a moron in the comment above.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 21, 2021 8:46 pm

Saw a bit of the TV news tonight. Neither the parents nor the biological father are suspects say the cops.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 8:47 pm

Dot

An MBA from a halfway decent school walks into a job paying $US 140k. Some devastation.

140 = $A187,000

Arky
October 21, 2021 8:48 pm

Watch the graphic carefully, under Obama on the process changed and the middle income went backwards.
This is an ongoing process, I don’t think either JC or Winston can claim to know how the process ends.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 8:52 pm

Thanks Arky. You’re quoting me a commie times piece from 2015 when the Kenyan was doing his unsuccessful best to ruin everyone including the rich.

But do go on. Explain to us how an economy with around 10 million more jobs than candidates is devastated.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 21, 2021 8:52 pm

Ex-Alitalia flight attendants strip off uniforms in protest

Dozens of former flight attendants from defunct Italian airline Alitalia stripped off their uniforms Wednesday, wearing only undergarments in a silent, choreographed protest in central Rome.

Long financially ailing, Italy’s decades-old airline flew its last flight on October 14. A new airline, ITA, began flying the next day, using some of Alitalia’s aircraft. It also bought the Alitalia brand, but it is taking on fewer than 3000 of Alitalia’s 10,000 employees.

Union officials say those who will work for ITA are being hired at significantly lower pay scales.

Some 50 former flight attendants stood in rows in a square atop Rome’s Capitoline Hill, lowered their company shoulder bags to the cobblestone pavement, then slowly and in synch, removed their overcoats, then uniform jackets, then skirts, then stepped out of their high-heeled shoes.

They remained barefoot, wearing only a slip, in silence for a few minutes. Then they carefully gathered up their garments and shoes and together shouted, “We are Alitalia!”

Union leaders have been pressing for the government to extend unemployment benefits for as long as five years.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 8:53 pm

Arky also explain why you went back 7 years when Turtle Head was hallucinating about the present day.

MatrixTransform
October 21, 2021 8:55 pm

If you can find cheaper VX from our competitors, we’ll beat it by 10%

and anyway, they’re not entrances … they’re exits

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 21, 2021 8:56 pm

Womanhood at its best.

The “Sheilha” that got awarded an “Admiralship” was pretty weird.

Quite a few people just instantly assumed it was a Military Award. It wasn’t. It’s some sort of “Public Service Award”.

When Public Servants start dressing up in Military gear and awarding themselves the title of “Admiral”, it’s getting kinda creepy.

Almost as creepy as the photo.

Arky
October 21, 2021 8:58 pm

JCsays:
October 21, 2021 at 8:52 pm
Thanks Arky. You’re quoting me a commie times piece from 2015 when the Kenyan was doing his unsuccessful best to ruin everyone including the rich.

..
The graphic is by Pew research and appears in all sorts of places.
I just picked the piece that had it highest up so people don’t have to scroll.
Calm yourself.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 8:59 pm

Arky

I recall Scott Sumner actually destroying the commie times piece .

I looked and found Sumner’s comeback here

https://www.themoneyillusion.com/americas-middle-class-shrinks-as-many-move-into-the-upper-middle-class/

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:00 pm

I’m exceedingly calm. We’re not in class.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 21, 2021 9:03 pm
JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:05 pm

More on that disappearing American middle class

https://www.themoneyillusion.com/91-of-americans-are-middle-class/

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:06 pm

Do you see the problem? The main reason that the middle income group has shrunk is that more and more Americans have incomes above the (arbitrary) cut-off point, and fewer and fewer are either “middle income” or poor.

The middle class is shrinking because we are becoming better off.
Your mate is actually agreeing with me, you, the graphic AND the article I posted:

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https://www.ft.com/content/98ce14ee-99a6-11e5-95c7-d47aa298f769

Strikingly, the change has been driven at least as much by rapid growth in the ranks of prosperous Americans above the level of the middle class as it has by expansion in the numbers of poorer citizens.

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:07 pm

FUCK.

P
P
October 21, 2021 9:07 pm

Vickisays:
October 21, 2021 at 7:29 pm

Again, we know that many doctors are of the opinion that the gene therapy vaccines undermine the immune system. Yes – I know – the opposite of what they are designed to do.

My brother, 73yrs this month, had pancreatic cancer. same type as Patrick Swayze, was operated on 7 years ago and had the whole pancreas removed as well as the spleen, gall bladder and a section of the duodenum.
Today he is back driving his car, cycling and swimming every morning and enjoying life now that he has his diabetes under control. He wasvaccinated several months ago with AstraZenica.
He informed last week that he has been advised to have his booster shots for covid which he will do.
He said to me ‘what more can they throw at me than I’ve already experienced.’
He is a miracle which even his wife. who doesn’t believe in miracles, admits. Both he and his wife say they are atheists.
Though I reckon they wonder.

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:08 pm

Do you see the problem? The main reason that the middle income group has shrunk is that more and more Americans have incomes above the (arbitrary) cut-off point, and fewer and fewer are either “middle income” or poor.

..
From your thing:

The middle class is shrinking because we are becoming better off.

..
Your mate is actually agreeing with me, you, the graphic AND the article I posted:

Strikingly, the change has been driven at least as much by rapid growth in the ranks of prosperous Americans above the level of the middle class as it has by expansion in the numbers of poorer citizens.

Winston Smith
October 21, 2021 9:09 pm

Boambee John:

Remember that the Frogs built the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Fauci funded the gain of function there.

We could get China to put in a submission.*

*That’s like a joke on multiple levels…

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:09 pm

In other words, forget the articles and opinions around it, and watch the graphic.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:12 pm

Arky

You describe it that way in the beginning. It appeared to me you were going with the leftist trope that the rich are grabbing more.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 21, 2021 9:13 pm

The loon nominally in charge of the USA is off the rails:

President Biden has repeated a story about an encounter with an Amtrak conductor for the fifth time – even though the man in question was already dead at the time the chat was supposed to have taken place.

The president recalled the encounter with Angelo Negri on Wednesday during an appearance touting his ‘Build Back Better’ infrastructure plan in his native hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania.

He claimed their chat about him traveling two million miles by rail had happened in the seventh year of his vice presidency – 2015 – even though Negri retired from Amtrak in 1993, and died in 2014.

The president is known to have told the same story on four prior occasions, with the first known instance while campaigning to be president in October 2020.

Read More

Winston Smith
October 21, 2021 9:13 pm

Gab:

The SoE expires tonight but of course it will be rolled over to Nov 21 and then rolled again to Dec 16. After that it has to go back to Parliament – unless Andrews has mandated otherwise, of course.

Fair enough, Gab, but are the Parliaments allowed to sit for the occasion?

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:15 pm

Turtle head

Stop talking.

Dot
Dot
October 21, 2021 9:15 pm

An MBA from a halfway decent school walks into a job

I doubt MBAs these days are anything but a vanity exercise.

Universities need to go.

The person you are talking about could get any job their parents could convince their friends to give them.

But do go on. Explain to us how an economy with around 10 million more jobs than candidates is devastated.

People don’t want to work. They’re being paid to sit at home and watch cat videos.

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:16 pm

JCsays:
October 21, 2021 at 9:12 pm
Arky

You describe it that way in the beginning. It appeared to me you were going with the leftist trope that the rich are grabbing more.

..
No, I linked to a graphic from Pew (funded by The Templeton Foundation- a Republican).
Then I described what the graphic shows.
I linked to the second article I found it in, because the first had it halfway down the page, as I said.
Stop being paranoid.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 21, 2021 9:17 pm

JC murder trial: Court hears ‘reckless, thoughtless’ actions of accused police officer cost woman her life
The West Australian
Thu, 21 October 2021 5:51PM
Emily Moulton

The “reckless and thoughtless” actions of the police officer who drew his gun on an armed Yamatji woman in Geraldton not only deprived his colleagues of any tactical advantage they had, but they also cost a “disturbed and vulnerable” mother-of-one her life.

That was how Director of Public Prosecutions Amanda Forrester SC summed up her case against the constable who has spent the past two-and-a-half weeks on trial accused of unlawfully shooting the 29-year-old woman, known only as JC for cultural reasons.

The young officer is the first WA policeman to be charged with murder in almost a century after he fired a single bullet into the stomach of JC while she was holding a knife and a pair of scissors on Petchell Street, Rangeway on September 17, 2019.

Eight officers swarmed the area that evening after police received reports of a person wandering the streets armed with the weapon. Three got out of their cars but the accused, who we cannot name, was the only one who drew his gun.

He claims he only fired his gun after JC raised the knife and moved towards him. But prosecutors say JC had stopped and was not moving in the seconds before she was killed.

In her closing submission, Ms Forrester told the jury – which has the task of deciding the fate of the constable – that from the moment he jumped out of the car and drew his firearm he “escalated” the situation.

She said he failed to communicate with his colleagues, one of whom was already approaching JC, and decided, despite being the second most junior officer there, that he was best placed to take charge.

She explained Senior Constable Adrian Barker, who was first to get out of his car and decided to approach JC unarmed believing he could talk her down, had a strategy and was in the midst of carrying it out when the accused pulled his gun.

“The accused went in so fast he deprived himself of the capacity to scan the scene,” she added.

She highlighted that throughout the course of the trial the defence had painted the accused as the only officer who was “brave enough to do what needed to be done”.

Be an honor you could do without – the first Western Australian cop charged with murder in nearly a century.

Dot
Dot
October 21, 2021 9:17 pm

Strikingly, the change has been driven at least as much by rapid growth in the ranks of prosperous Americans above the level of the middle class as it has by expansion in the numbers of poorer citizens.

Hold up.

How are we defining poverty?

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:18 pm

And the graphic does what I described- it shows more than what either you or Winston are describing.
it isn’t just a case of people dropping out of the middle class, and it isn’t just a matter of the middle class becoming wealthier.
It looks more complex and not progressing linearly.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:23 pm

Here’s the problem with defining the very rich.

Take Musk, supposedly the richest mad in the world. How do you define rich in this instance? I bet Musk doesn’t have a huge income – at least commensurate with the “richest” person in the world.

Musk is considered rich because the stock he owns is very highly valued by investors. It’s paper money and only becomes “real” money once it’s realised.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:25 pm

Okay I’ll take a look later.

Keep in mind that I was responding to Turtle head’s nonsense that the American middle class is being devastated.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 21, 2021 9:26 pm

When Public Servants start dressing up in Military gear and awarding themselves the title of “Admiral”, it’s getting kinda creepy.

Let’s Go Brandon couldn’t make him a two star
the Rear Admiral jokes would’ve never stopped.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:28 pm

He is mad, but I mean man

Dot
Dot
October 21, 2021 9:28 pm

Try this, JC.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/noahkirsch/2019/12/04/why-elon-musk-is-cash-poor-for-a-billionaire/

Musk’s entrepreneurial journey stretches back decades. He made his first fortune after selling Zip2, a software firm, to Compaq in 1999 for a reported price of more than $300 million. Three years later Paypal, which he also cofounded, was acquired by eBay for $1.4 billion.

The South Africa native founded SpaceX in 2002 and joined Tesla in 2004; the firms quickly exhausted most of his PayPal earnings, according to a 2015 Musk biography.

Its old (2019) but it is a very good article.

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:29 pm

<blockquoteJCsays:
October 21, 2021 at 9:23 pm
Here’s the problem with defining the very rich.

..
It’s a problem because historically it usually comes before the downfall of an empire.
Apparently very prosperous times, the top end start to lose touch with reality, then the downfall.
You’re kinda out of touch yourself.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:30 pm

Hold up.

How are we defining poverty?

I guess, relatively.

There’s relative and absolute poverty.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:31 pm

How am I out of touch, Arky?

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:33 pm

JCsays:
October 21, 2021 at 9:31 pm
How am I out of touch, Arky?

..
When was the last time you commuted from an outer suburb into town on a regular basis?
Got up at 4:30am each day to make work by time?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 21, 2021 9:35 pm

mole, back over the page:

but because of vagina magic we will introduce nonsense “rules” to calm their overheated vulvas.

Dunno. The underheating in social environments might be the problem.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:35 pm

It’s a problem because historically it usually comes before the downfall of an empire.
Apparently very prosperous times, the top end start to lose touch with reality, then the downfall.
You’re kinda out of touch yourself.

Is there actually an historical precedent where the stock market values someone’s company at an enormous valuation signalling the downfall of an empire?

And when haven’t the very wealthy been so-called out of touch?

Zipster
Zipster
October 21, 2021 9:37 pm

I have to give them a realistic sounding name. sigh, no more Kaiser Soze, Julia Gillard or Geoffrey Dahmer.

Jeffrey Epstein

srr
srr
October 21, 2021 9:38 pm

Roasting The COVID Cult For 1 Hour Straight | Guests: Zuby & Drew Hernandez | Ep 198

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pemtuWnUms

Premiered 15 hours ago
Slightly Offens*ve

430K subscribers
People are still double masking, listening to Dr. Fauci and worshipping every word from the CDC. We don’t understand it, but we love to laugh at it. Zuby and Drew Hernandez join the show to roast the ridiculous cultists who are still worshipping at the altar of Fauci almost two years later.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 21, 2021 9:40 pm

Winston

We could get China to put in a submission.*

We could pay them in wine, barley and coal.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 21, 2021 9:42 pm

An MBA from a halfway decent school walks into a job

Are there any halfway decent schools left?

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:43 pm

When was the last time you commuted from an outer suburb into town on a regular basis?
Got up at 4:30am each day to make work by time?

Never, but that’s not really the point. People can choose to live like that.

Also, let me offer you a counter to your argument. I don’t know about the west coast of the US, but say Wealthy Wall Streeters get up 4.30 in the morning in order to drive to the train, get on that train arrive at Grand Central and then catch the subway to their downtown office. These guys are income rich.

Same in London. People travel 70 miles to work and back in London because of a high paying job in the city.

I had a dude… who worked for me .. live on the other side of Philly. He’s dead.

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:45 pm

Is there actually an historical precedent where the stock market values someone’s company at an enormous valuation signalling the downfall of an empire?

..
Stock markets only go back a few hundred years.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:46 pm

Are there any halfway decent schools left?

No, it’s Critical Race Theory shit show.

Don’t think for a second that the kiddies are against it. Most of them are for CRT believe it or not.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:50 pm

Stock markets only go back a few hundred years.

Egg sactly. So can you offer a prediction that accumulated wealth like this is a prelude to a collapsing empire..
Don’t forget the so called robber baron era.

Rockefeller was much richer than Musk by multiples. Most was real freaking cash.

MatrixTransform
October 21, 2021 9:55 pm

And when haven’t the very wealthy been so-called out of touch?

Let them eat biscotti, right?

Arky
October 21, 2021 9:58 pm

And when haven’t the very wealthy been so-called out of touch?

..
There isout of touch, and then there is out of touch.
Remember that Chinese emperor who was buried with the terracotta army? Well, they went from that to a collapse of the dynasty under his son:

Qin dynasty collapse
Although Qin managed to suppress most of the nationwide rebellions, they still caused serious damage. Qin’s manpower and supplies were greatly reduced. Finally, Qin was decisively defeated at the Battle of Julu. Qin Er Shi foolishly tried to have the Qin general responsible, Zhang Han, killed, which led to the surrender and later to the live burial of 200,000 Qin troops. In total, Qin lost over 300,000 men. Even then, Qin Er Shi failed to take the defeat seriously, as he thought that Qin had many more spare troops. Finally, a daring and loyal eunuch told Qin Er Shi the truth. Shocked, Qin Er Shi tried to capture Zhao Gao and to hold him responsible.

Zhao Gao, however, had expected that Qin Er Shi would ask him to take the blame. Therefore, Zhao Gao conspired with his loyal soldiers to force the emperor to commit suicide. Surrounded and with no means of escape, Qin Er Shi asked the loyal eunuch why he had not told the truth earlier. The eunuch replied that it was Qin Er Shi himself who had decided to execute anyone who would tell him the truth.

In 207 BC, the Qin dynasty collapsed only fifteen years after its establishment

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 9:59 pm

Let them eat biscotti, right?

Dude, I swear for how much as I love my two rascal kids. I just sat down in front of the computer, reloaded the page and as I was reading your comment I was scoffing down a biscotti with tea.

Arky
October 21, 2021 10:00 pm

Try not to execute people bringing you bad news.

Arky
October 21, 2021 10:01 pm

Here’s the quote relevant to our discussion:

Surrounded and with no means of escape, Qin Er Shi asked the loyal eunuch why he had not told the truth earlier. The eunuch replied that it was Qin Er Shi himself who had decided to execute anyone who would tell him the truth.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 10:06 pm

There isout of touch, and then there is out of touch.
Remember that Chinese emperor who was buried with the terracotta army? Well, they went from that to a collapse of the dynasty under his son:

And you had shocking Roman emperors like Caligula, although some historians a revisiting how terrible he was. The empire endured after bad emperors.

The British empire went away, but freaking Britain is a force in the world. Some empires collapse some just got rerouted like Britain. Also the US is not an empire. It’s a superpower. It’s such a weakling superpower that Trump didn’t take Greenland from the Danes with a simple phone call. He wanted to pay for it and the Danes refused to entertain the idea. Personally, I would have sent the freaking navy in and taken it from that pipsqueak country. 🙂

Winston Smith
October 21, 2021 10:11 pm

Dover0Beach:

Everyone, please note, I’m toying with a tipjar at present but if you see anything prior to me announcing it with a post just ignore it. I’m working through various plugins at present which seem to do what they like half the time.

I’ll put in the $1 I win from JC when the results of the bet come in.*

*The bet – One clarification and one non negotiable demand:
1. “Anyone care to bet on the growth * in the Western World economy halving in the next 6 months and the inflation rate doubling?
Measured by G7 & inclusion of Australia, India and South Korea.
*Insert growth rate as a clarification, which is inferred if not explicitly stated.
2. You stop calling me childish names -this is serious business.
3. The bet is for the usual – $1. (Thanks Trading Places.)

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 21, 2021 10:11 pm

dover0beach says:
October 21, 2021 at 1:48 pm
CL, chicken wire on a slippery wooden step works a treat.

Or piano wire & a wooden stool if it’s one of the political class.

rosie
rosie
October 21, 2021 10:16 pm
JC
JC
October 21, 2021 10:18 pm

Turtle Head.

You made a huge mistake rattling my chain. You ridiculous clown show.

Arky
October 21, 2021 10:20 pm

The US is closer to blowing apart now that any time since the end of the civil war.
It’s universities are full of marxist fuckwits, it’s presidency was stolen, it’s industries are off shored to it’s main geopolitical rival, and it’s companies are increasingly cronyist woke shells of their former selves.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 21, 2021 10:21 pm

JCsays:

October 21, 2021 at 9:30 pm

Hold up.

How are we defining poverty?

I guess, relatively.

There’s relative and absolute poverty.

Well, yes.
Remember the “Henderson Poverty Line”?
It was always relative.
The line was set such that x% were always considered to be in poverty.
And the ABC would dutifully report every year that, sadly, x% were still living below the poverty line.
As are x% of people Monaco.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 21, 2021 10:21 pm

JC, with regards to Musk.
Tesla reported overnight.
There’s chatter that some investment banks are working on a sell down of $US20bill of his stock.
If that happens, it will be the biggest single line of stock sold by an individual in the history of the world.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 10:22 pm

Rosie

I’m not going anywhere in 21. I’ll head in the northern summer I think. Also, you can’t trust these idiots not to lock you out while you’re overseas. I checked the flights and Qantas is starting flights to the US on 18 Dec. I’d rather a hot Xmas after this brutal year.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 21, 2021 10:25 pm

JC just get out of Melbourne & relocate to Sydney.
You’ll be able to get a decent cup of coffee up here.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 21, 2021 10:26 pm

An MBA from a halfway decent school walks into a job

Never employ an MBA aged under 30.
You need to have ten years work experience for an MBA to be “contextualised”.
Doing an MBA straight out of an undergraduate degree is fucking useless.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 21, 2021 10:27 pm

https://unherd.com/2021/10/the-myth-of-lone-wolf-terrorism/

The myth of lone-wolf terrorism
Would David Amess still be alive if someone had spoken up?
BY AYAAN HIRSI ALI

MatrixTransform
October 21, 2021 10:29 pm

as I was reading your comment I was scoffing down a biscotti with tea

did you know my step-brother owns a purple Monaro?

… not even joking

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 21, 2021 10:29 pm

I checked the flights and Qantas is starting flights to the US on 18 Dec.

How do people fly to the States now?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 21, 2021 10:31 pm

Doesn’t NSW have proceeds from crime laws?
The Obeids keep the 30mill.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 10:32 pm

Arky says:
October 21, 2021 at 10:20 pm

The US is closer to blowing apart now that any time since the end of the civil war.

No it’s not. The US is NOT going to blow apart either with another civil war or peaceful division. It’s just not going to happen.

It’s universities are full of marxist fuckwits,

In the liberal arts areas , sure. But STEM not so much. And really, you can afford the liberal arts to get fucked over for a time (before it comes back). US universities are still teaching science etc.

it’s presidency was stolen,

Yep. But this will be rectified because Trump or one of his chosen will be the next president I think.

it’s industries are off shored to it’s main geopolitical rival,

It’s coming back.

and it’s companies are increasingly cronyist woke shells of their former selves.

But they still have to get their business on a correct setting otherwise they will go broke. Business can be as woke as it wants but ultimately their TCE (tangible common equity) is limited. They have behave or the market will destroy them.

In any event there is a huge and very healthy private equity sector in the US where the goals are simply to make money or fuck off.

JC
JC
October 21, 2021 10:34 pm

feelthebern says:
October 21, 2021 at 10:25 pm

JC just get out of Melbourne & relocate to Sydney.
You’ll be able to get a decent cup of coffee up here.

Bern, Funny because an ex-macbank pal told me that the other day too.

Arky
October 21, 2021 10:35 pm

JCsays:
October 21, 2021 at 10:32 pm

..
That’s what Qin Er Shi said.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 21, 2021 10:45 pm

ch. Though this morning it was fun when I went for walk around foreshore and the local pied butcherbird family saw me. Six of them came flying in attack formation.

Our two Currawongs both want to eat out of our hand now, Bruce, but I resist that and place it on the balcony outside the glass, where there is plenty of room to land. Those raptor beaks could do damage and I don’t need any more antibiotics right now. Hairy braves the hand-feeding though and then races to the terrace room to see it delivered into the mouths of the two fledgies who are huge. Not cuckoos, just well-feed Currawong chicks. In addition to our pork mince this diligent pair of parents are constantly pushing nature’s bounty of wriggling things down the fledgies’ necks. They both know my voice very well now. I can call them down. It feels like a special power.

Sad about your one with the broken leg. I often wonder about the one I saw who had his legs eaten away by a fungus or mite when we were feeding a lot of them last season. I only saw him twice. The crows keep a lookout for the weaker ones. I guess they have to eat too, and no-one feeds the crows. They act like outcast birds, genetically honed as that, and never try to be friendly.

rosie
rosie
October 21, 2021 10:45 pm
JC
JC
October 21, 2021 10:46 pm

Okay, but that’s not what Turtle Head said, which got the whole thing going. Stupid Turtle head said the US middle class was devastated. That’s laughably untrue. Going back to my point, Turtle Head is a moron.

rosie
rosie
October 21, 2021 10:48 pm
rickw
rickw
October 21, 2021 10:57 pm

Did the CHO or Bat Eared Mong release any new decrees?

rosie
rosie
October 21, 2021 11:01 pm
rickw
rickw
October 21, 2021 11:03 pm

Jetson

One component failure and you crash, but definitely good fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzhREYOK0oo

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 21, 2021 11:06 pm

You’re an embarrassment to the Catallaxy name.

Nah. Can’t be done. No-one expects an achievement award on Catallaxy.
It’s eat up your lunch here before someone eats it for you.
And be home before bedtime.

rickw
rickw
October 21, 2021 11:08 pm

Victoria to follow NSW & scrap quarantine requirements for fully vaccinated from Nov 1. Thank you, Premier Perrottet!

Differentiating between vaxed and unvaxxed makes perfect sense when the vaxed can also catch and transmit….

There is no science in any of this, there isn’t even any fucking commonsense.

MatrixTransform
October 22, 2021 12:14 am

oh … it’s after midnight in Viktoriastan.

yay

so free

MatrixTransform
October 22, 2021 12:18 am

you dumb fucks working it out yet?

MatrixTransform
October 22, 2021 12:21 am

what happened to parliament?

MatrixTransform
October 22, 2021 12:21 am

who governs you?

MatrixTransform
October 22, 2021 12:21 am

by what power?

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 22, 2021 12:23 am

Our Purgatory Is Their Nirvana – Victor David Hanson
https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/20/our-purgatory-is-their-nirvana/

Sheer chaos and anarchy on the border?

Afghanistan—the most humiliating defeat in recent U.S. military history?

A labor-starved supply chain in shambles and holiday shelves emptying out?

The worst inflation in 30 years that seems soon ready to match Carter-era levels?

Gas hitting $5 a gallon with winter heating fuels soaring?

Free-for-all looting in the major cities without consequences?

Joe Biden’s policies and Biden himself diving in the polls?

Never in recent American history has any administration birthed such disasters in its first nine months.

Yet most Americans are arguing not over the sheer chaos and disasters of the Biden Administration, but rather how could such sheer pre-civilizational calamity occur in modern America?

Were these disasters a result of historic incompetency? Or mean-spirited nihilism? Or a deliberate effort to create the necessary turbulence to birth a new American revolution? Or a bit of all three?

Start instead with the idea that what most Americans see as sheer ruin is not what the left-wing puppeteers, who are pulling the strings of the Biden marionette, see.

Our catastrophes are their minor glitches. For them bad polling is mostly a public relations problem of an occasional uncooperative media. Otherwise, a few broken eggs are always necessary to create the perfect socialist omelet.

The Left now controlling Washington believes that the U.S. border is a mere construct. Every impoverished person has a birthright to cross into America illegally. The 2 million who are scheduled to enter this fiscal year alone is a wonderful, if occasionally sloppy, event.

Our border calamity is their celebration of humanity and a long-overdue recalibration of ossified American demography, one that will properly warp the Electoral College to provide the necessary election result.

If you believe that a culturally imperialistic America needs to be taken down a notch overseas, then the flight from Afghanistan is “impressive” and a “success”—by how quickly and efficiently we skedaddled.

Why worry about a lost $1 billion embassy, a $300 million refit of the Bagram airbase, or $80 billion lost in military hardware and training?

Empty shelves? Boohoo.

Grasping, upper-middle-class consumers are angry that the working classes are not willing to risk COVID infection to supply them with their accustomed holiday trinkets.

So, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg intoned that the shortages mean only that the consumer class has to wait a wee bit—until Christmas Eve—to splurge on gifts.

Who worries about a little inflation? Under new monetary theory, printing dollars brings prosperity. Or as White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain put it in a retweet, inflation is a mere “high class problem” of the Peloton elite.

Only those with money worry their ill-begotten pile shrinks. But the majority without money will eventually rejoice that it is everywhere now—finally and properly “spread,” as former president and now multimillionaire Barack Obama once promised.

As AOC swore, gas and oil are going to be gone anyway in 10 years. So, if Joe Biden slashes over 2 million barrels a day in U.S. oil production, what’s wrong with that?

Didn’t Steven Chu, Obama’s energy secretary, long ago brag that when we hit $8-10 a gallon, we’d approach European levels of proper fuel usage? Why whine about paying over $100 to fill up, when the planet more quickly cools?

Did not Americans learn “critical legal theory” and “critical race theory”?

Or as the architect of the “1619 Project” reminded us, destroying or taking someone’s property is no big deal. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey shrugged off torched downtown buildings; such torched stuff, he said, is mere “bricks and mortar.”

It is only a crime to “steal” over $500 of needed merchandise from a Walgreens in San Francisco, because the rich who make such absurd laws never have to steal goods from a pharmacy shelf.

If racists wish to point out that African American male youths are disproportionately represented in the latest crime wave, then maybe America should be learning not to create the conditions that force them to break the law.

In sum, we are on a left-wing roller coaster headed to a socialist nirvana.

Most Americans believe it is instead an out-of-control “Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride” nightmare with incompetents at the wheel.

But the architects of such “hope and change” shrug that the occasional disturbing news that the media sometimes accidentally leaks out is merely the cost of an equitable America.

One man’s anarchy is another’s road to justice.

Keep that mentality in mind and the absurdities that are mouthed by Joe Biden, his advisor Ron Klain, press secretary Jen Psaki, Homeland “Security” Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, or the ravings of the Squad, make perfect sense.

They are merely trying to explain to us dummies that what we think is purgatory is actually the new paradise—a promised land that, once we are properly programmed and educated, we too will welcome and thank them for our deliverance.

MatrixTransform
October 22, 2021 12:24 am

sleep tight

Bruce in WA
October 22, 2021 12:39 am

From my piddly blog. Written two months ago —— but what has changed??

Lockdown, locked-up and pissed-off!

This “killer” virus has caused havoc across the world — and even in our tiny corner of that world. Let me say straight off I think the media have shamelessly exploited and manipulated the reporting and consequent fear of this virus. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not one of these “Oh, it’s just the flu” supporters. No, it’s NOT good, but the media are pushing the doom, gloom, crisis, pandemic bow wave for just one reason — to sell print or airtime.

And the pandemic they have shamelessly pushed is “fear”: fear of the virus, fear of the vaccine, fear of NOT being vaccinated, fear of those who choose to not be vaccinated. And the end result is people I know, who are normal, sane intelligent people, are scared — shit scared! They are happy to be “locked down”; happy to be in isolation; happy to have “strangers” forcibly locked out of the state; happy to see any form of human rights washed down the gutter — as long as they are “safe”.

And the hate that churns and bubbles in these people. Protestors? “Lock them away, for good”, “Give them the virus and see how they feel”, “Make them work in a Covid ward until they catch the virus, then deny them any medical treatment”. That’s paraphrasing, but all true. It’s frightening.

And the police response? Crush any protest. OC spray anyone who protests, even kids. Arrest people, especially pregnant five-foot mums, for posting their objections on Facebook. Arrest people sitting in a park, surrounded by fuck all and no-one, for not wearing a mask and having a rest from “exercising”. Use hard rubber/plastic shot from an M-14 facsimile at close range into people who have done nothing other than say, “We protest”. In Australia! MY Australia! No, I take that back … it’s no longer my Australia.

So, you say, I’m one of those anti-vaxxer lunatics? Nope. Weighed the pros and cons, given my age and medical history, and had my two AZ needles. That was months back. Would I do the same now? I’m not sure; let’s just say the jury is out.

So where do I stand? Let me say this: We will NEVER “crush” or “defeat” CV-19. It is here to stay, like it or lump it. Yes, we will possibly need yearly “booster” shots, like the flu. Yes, it will continue to mutate, but each mutation, while it becomes perhaps more infectious, should make it less virulent. (Terms our media either don’t know or deliberately ignore.)

No matter what, I believe we are approaching the situation where the pressure valve has been overtightened. Unless there is (very soon) a perceived way out of this present way of living, there is going to be an explosion of trouble that no-one wants.

This 80% – 90% vaccinated crap is just that — crap. Open up. Yes, people will die. Mostly, people like me — old, with medical problems. So? If it means my kids and grandkids can enjoy the sort of freedom and life I’ve enjoyed, bring it on!

I’m too pissed off to post any more. Maybe later. Perhaps. If I keep this blog going. Why would I? The fun of living has gone.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 22, 2021 12:58 am

Rudyard Kipling
The Beginnings
1914-18

“Mary Postgate”– A Diversity of Creatures

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
When the English began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy-willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the English began to hate.

Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the English began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the State.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the English began to hate.

It was not suddenly bred,
It will not swiftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
October 22, 2021 1:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:00 am

Johannes Leak. Brilliant.

Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:13 am

Chip Bok. Ha ha.

Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:15 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:16 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:17 am
Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 4:18 am
Mater
October 22, 2021 4:38 am

Just read the latest Directions from our glorious leaders (All hail our glorious leaders!).

What a dystopian nightmare we are living in!
My God, are we really there?

Quite apart from the sickening implications of a term like “vaccinated economy”, how can anyone conduct daily life trying to adhere to such confusing, long winded and haphazard directions? I’d be surprised if any ‘authorised officer’ could reel off these rules by heart, let alone enforce them.

Everyone’s going to need keep this 46 page document handy as a ready reference. FMD.

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/202110/Open%20Premises%20Directions%20-%2021%20October%202021.pdf

I see they’re targeting kids…unless both parents are vaccinated – low bastards.

It’s difficult believe we are really here. A ‘structure’ by which politicians can ‘unperson’ someone they see as undesirable. A ‘structure’ that Dan admitted the other day, that he had no intention of tearing down.

At the risk of upsetting people, I’ll say this: it only happened because sufficient numbers got vaccinated to make a second economy viable. Critical mass was essential.

You may not like that statement. You may think it unfair because people chose to do so on health grounds. However, Dan as much as admitted it the other day when he laughingly stated that the holdouts were now largely irrelevant to the economic good of Victoria, and that the sheer mass of the vaccinated economy would roll clean over them. They were relegated to expendable status.

Unless people just refuse to play along, we are now going to live our lives constantly referring to 50 page PDFs, for the most basic activities. Looking some of the density requirements, you may have to tote a calculator and measuring tape, too.

When Covid is declared under control, the ‘structure’ will be utilised for other things. Punishment was once focused on detention, then it morphed into primarily financial penalties. Financial penalties only work when you’ve got financial resources to lose. This new structure gives them the best of both worlds, they can do away with much of the expense of physical gulags prisons, and they can readily punish those who have nothing much to their names.

I’m embarrassed and ashamed that it’s happened on my watch. I don’t think I’ve ever desired to not be on this earth, quite as much. Humanity is on the decline.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2021 5:05 am

It’s been almost two months since my second shot of Pfizer.
Since then, every morning I wake up with what I’ve found out is called pulsatile tinnitus.
I have no heart issues or blood pressure issues.
After I’m up & about for a bit I don’t notice it.
The thing that sucks about it is I can’t sleep in on the weekends.

Tom
Tom
October 22, 2021 5:22 am

What a dystopian nightmare we are living in!
My God, are we really there?

Mater, it was only a matter of time. Victoria is the world capital of Year Zero communism which has incubated at least two long-term mass behaviour modification projects embedded in giant government insurance monopolies: tWorkcover and he Transport Accident Commission (which I openly bosting that it plans to become the world’s first jurisdiction to abolish the road toll, ever since the 1034 campaign in the 1970s, spearheaded by the Herald Sun predecessor the Sun News Pictorial, which campaigned to reduce the annual road toll from more than 1000 to the current level of around 300, which isn’t achieved anywhere else because no other jurisdiction fines its citizens so heavily for breaking road rules – $A300-500 million p.a. from memory – and spends hundreds o f millions of dollars a year on behaviour-modification advertising;.

Then there is Workcover, the government insurance monopoly for workplace safety now backed up with the world’s most business-unfriendly workplace laws, under which company directors and executives can be sent to jail for infriugements.

Jointly, TAC and Workcover are massive Year Zero communist dreamings about using government money and resources to perfect the human race. Victoria is wet dream for the socialist nanny states of Europe that never stopped pushing the boundaries of what the public will tolerate.

Through its government and education systems, It has been an incubator for the current wild-eyed government fascist totalitarianism for at least half a century when (Liberal) premier Dick Hamer put to death the old Boltean tradition that the Liberal Party represented small business and farmers. In the 1970s, the LNP in Victoria became the party of the sneering inner-urban elites.

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 5:28 am

Mater don’t go telling the vaccinated that they helped bring in this nightmare. ….I’m sure you’ve noticed they’d rather just have that all never mentioned again.
Every submission has allowed a socialist credit system to be put in place.
Every one of them.
Rex, I am working already.
Two jobs….one self employed.
You play with your subsidies choo choos and mind your own business.
Remember you joined in the conversation …..had to have your little whine…I wasn’t even talking to you.
If I want to hear from shit, , I’ll fart.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 22, 2021 5:36 am

Thanx, Tom.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 5:37 am

You play with your subsidies choo choos and mind your own business.

Still waiting for you to prove that ambit. And you can’t hide behind someone else’s misinterpretation of things any more.

Rex, I am working already.
Two jobs….one self employed.

Well that’s legitimately wonderful. So since socialism isn’t sitting you on your arse, can you please stop being a little bitch and screaming at the rest if us about not being at the barricades, just like you admitted you aren’t? But feel we all should be?

If I want to hear from shit, , I’ll fart.

You haven’t stopped for over 18 months…

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 5:39 am

How many are now out and about flashing their commo pass about…enabling and now..participating in the most disgusting Nazi socialist system of discrimination and division to sit in some urban hovel and sip on an overpriced coffee and kid themselves that’s freedom.
Sad fucks.
Really sad fucks and they need to be reminded constantly just how sad they are.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 5:40 am

Mater don’t go telling the vaccinated that they helped bring in this nightmare. ….I’m sure you’ve noticed they’d rather just have that all never mentioned again.

Another stunning and brave declaration from the Cat’s own one man Struth-And-Reconciliation Committee…

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 5:44 am

Socialism did sit me on my arse and is still not allowing me or anyone else to reach our full potential regards income.
Have you ever had your own business Rex?
Be honest

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 5:48 am

You don’t like the truth rex.
We know this.
You still won’t admit those general freight choo choos are all running on subsidised tracks while cars and trucks pay for what they use…roads.
Even when it’s proved to you by others besides me.
Sad.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 5:54 am

Socialism did sit me on my arse and is still not allowing me or anyone else to reach our full potential regards income.

What is that deflection supposed to mean? Has it sat you on your arse in such a way that you are unable to live? Or has it not?

And does any of it really matter, when the blood is singing in your ears, Struth?

Mater
October 22, 2021 5:57 am

Dover,
A liberty quote:

“So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause.”

– Senator Padmé Amidala (Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith)

https://www.starwars.com/video/so-this-is-how-liberty-dies

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 5:59 am

You still won’t admit those general freight choo choos are all running on subsidised tracks

Really? The tracks are subsidised now?

Are you such a craven individual you cannot even keep your barbs straight?

My private employer pays through the nose for the privilege to run on privately owned tracks. Not a whiff of said track management company or any government paying them to be there.

In truth, Struth-and-Reconciliation, if your lot truly had to pay your share of the hidden costs of the road network you cry so much about, you’d be raging at every road authority and Council in this nation. Rego costs and (what you decry as prohibitive) fuel excise barely begin to cover the mess your heavy vehicles make of the road network. The rest comes out of Local, State and Federal government coffers.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 6:01 am

But as we all know, Struth:

You don’t like the Struth.
We know this.

Mater
October 22, 2021 6:02 am

And let me be clear here, it’s not just the unvaccinated who have lost their liberty here.

Nooooooo, not by a long stretch. The vaccinated now need to show their papers to even scratch their arse.

We are all losers in this.

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 6:07 am

You’ve lost the plot totally choo choo man.
Don’t you think people can see your statements are just bitchy emotional nonesense?
Some might have the brains to STFU at the stage or embarrassment you’re at…….but not you.
I am making clear statements.
The people that got jabbed and are now using their passports are dead c…nts.
They are offended hearing the truth.
Boo hoo.

srr
srr
October 22, 2021 6:14 am

Steve trickler says :
October 21, 2021 at 12:35 pm

Chain of custody of these vials is paramount. Veritas is coming out soon with the full story.

SHOCKING: Dr. Carrie Madej Releases FIRST LOOK at Pfizer Vial Contents
https://rumble.com/embed/vlds4p/?pub=5f67r

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 6:16 am

Rex don’t play silly buggers.
We are talking about general freight which is what you were lying about that started this all off.
Which in your little world in WA you know nothing about as has been proved in the great truck train debate months ago.
It was only long lasting because like a woman you never let facts get in the way of an argument when emotion dribble like you are again doing this morning can be…….dribbled.
You were destroyed and although you don’t like it I’m not going to restart that just because you don’t have enough to do once you’ve pressed d fa drive on the choo choo.

Crossie
Crossie
October 22, 2021 6:20 am

In the 1970s, the LNP in Victoria became the party of the sneering inner-urban elites.

Whom they have subsequently lost to Labor. LNP now has no constituency since they don’t or won’t stand up for anyone.

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2021 6:21 am

“Tomsays:
October 22, 2021 at 5:22 am”

Well said…particularly..

“Through its government and education systems, It has been an incubator for the current wild-eyed government fascist totalitarianism for at least half a century when (Liberal) premier Dick Hamer put to death the old Boltean tradition that the Liberal Party represented small business and farmers. In the 1970s, the LNP in Victoria became the party of the sneering inner-urban elites.”

It’s the story of the Liberal Party in every state. And they wonder why they can’t win elections.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 6:24 am

Don’t you think people can see your statements are just bitchy emotional nonesense?
Some might have the brains to STFU at the stage or embarrassment you’re at…….but not you.

Please stop projecting, Struth.

It is embarrassing to watch you make yourself smaller with your every denouncement.

I am making clear statements. The people that got jabbed and are now using their passports are dead c…nts.

Incorrect. You are engaging in petty emotional abuse of the many people who honestly felt they were doing the right thing by themselves, their loved ones and their futures.

That their assessments of the intentions of the governments and CEOs that railroaded them into it was regrettably naïve is not yours to judge.

They are offended hearing the truth.

No Struth. In your fear and anger, your have become an unsympathetic and abusive absolutist. And you have decided that people like us (who often tend towards agreeing with your sentiments) are safer and easier targets for your ire.

I sincerely hope that you do not suddenly find yourself without friends and support when things truly turn bad, because you were eagerly burning your bridges with everyone you felt was less dedicated than yourself…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 6:29 am

You were destroyed

Really? Where’s your proof of that O mighty Road Warrior?

I seem to recall the only thing you’ve ever been able to do is call me names and denounce any counter-information that was placed before you as being unacceptable, because you either didn’t like the source, or it didn’t line up with your screechy rhetoric…

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 6:29 am

The misery they have inflicted on everybody including themselves will now increase.
That was the hill and everybody here knows I’ve been saying it from the very start of last year.
Get enough vaccinated and in comes the passport.
There’s not many here who have done it but I’m suggesting you now get those that have and try to get them to not have the booster and become part of the great unvaxxed again.

srr
srr
October 22, 2021 6:31 am

For those who have no time for his thousands of hours on these topics, just listen from 1:36 to 1:46 –

James Tour on discoveries in nanochemistry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NL9diOd_90

May 14, 2021
Academic Influence

974 subscribers
Rice University professor, Dr. James Tour shares the new advancements his research team has made in the field of nanochemistry. His newest project includes converting any carbon material into graphene. This naturally occurring material becomes a terminal sink for the carbon in almost all human waste. Recently, Tour’s Carbon Quantum Dots have been used in PPE during the COVID-19 pandemic. Follow along as Professor of Chemistry, Professor of Materials Science and NanoEngineering, and Professor of Computer Science at Rice University, Dr. James Tour discusses his recent research projects with Dr. Jed Macosko, academic director of AcademicInfluence.com and professor of physics at Wake Forest University.

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 6:34 am

It’s not emotional abuse.
It’s just abuse.
good old fashioned abuse.
You’re emotional.
Now boo hoo to someone else.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 6:41 am

At least you are finally being honest about something, Struth-and-Reconciliation.

Now, surely you need to go forth and do your 2 jobs (1 self-employed) so that socialism does not sit you on your arse again?

Don’t let poor little lesser being me hold you up.

(Just try to ignore the fact that by engaging in commerce with your fellow Queenssssslanders and others, you are as surely ..participating in the most disgusting Nazi socialist system of discrimination and division to sit in some urban hovel and sip on an overpriced coffee and kid themselves that’s freedom as those with those dratted commo passes. You might suffer an aneurysm from the shock…)

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2021 6:44 am

I can’t access the story but it seems that the regiment of monstrous women is falling apart…because there’s nothing like women turning on other women.

“Higgins regrets attack on ‘hero’ Maiden

Brittany Higgins said she shouldn’t have tweeted criticising reporter Samantha Maiden whom she has had a falling out with and she now remains close to Project co-host Lisa Wilkinson.”

LOl…..carry on Brittaneeeeeeeeeeeee.

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 6:49 am

Hey you got one thing right.
I am an absolutist.
Not on all subjects.
But when it comes to fighting commos and tyrants you can’t give an inch.
We needed to hold the line and not comply with any of it.
Agreeing with lockdowns (only to stage two of course) and getting jabbed because of reasons other than you were scared of the sniffles has got us where?
And now those that did are offended at being reminded of it?
Stiff shit.

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2021 6:52 am

People have the right to get vaccinated against any disease they think has the potential to affect their health.
They also have the right to vote in a democracy.
If Dan is the disease we can get rid of him.
He is currently dancing to Perrottet’s tune and hoping no-one will notice.
That spectacle is providing a little entertainment.
Though I think a liberal government in Victoria will be labor lite, we need a very strong showing from the right minor parties.
Not greens not animal justice not reason.

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 6:53 am

That last comment is so lacking in logic and emotional nonsense, I’m actually embarrassed for you Rex.
But yes, I’m off to work.
Try and clean your litter box while I’m gone.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 6:57 am

But when it comes to fighting commos and tyrants you can’t give an inch.

And yet, like every other Cat here whom you just spent the last few hours (and the last 18 months in general) abusing and shitting all over, you are working.

And thus propping up said commos and tyrants with your PAYG and GST dollars.

What a stunning and brave and Revolutionary act!

Socialism hasn’t actually sat you on your arse or impeded your potential in the slightest, has it?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2021 7:03 am

feelthebernsays:

October 22, 2021 at 5:05 am

It’s been almost two months since my second shot of Pfizer.
Since then, every morning I wake up with what I’ve found out is called pulsatile tinnitus.

It’s the nano wrigglers getting ready for work.

srr
srr
October 22, 2021 7:03 am

“REVELATION 9:6

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”

Immortality; be careful what you wish for –

from 7:20 to 10:20 –
SHOCKING: Dr. Carrie Madej Releases FIRST LOOK at Pfizer Vial Contents
https://rumble.com/embed/vlds4p/?pub=5f67r

from 1:36 to 1:46 –
James Tour on discoveries in nanochemistry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NL9diOd_90

“But Dr. Tour’s goal is far beyond accomplishing things of mere scientific interest. His research areas include carbon nanovectors for medical applications, green carbon study for environmentally friendly oil and gas extraction, water purification, hydrogen storage and more. He has even developed science curriculum for K-12 students.

One of his most promising studies involves fusion of a separated spinal cord. “We’ve developed a material where we can take a split spinal cord of a rodent, put one drop of the material on it, and then put it back together,” he said. “In that one drop, there is one percent of graphene nanoribbons. The nanoribbons will align longitudinally with the spinal cord. And then what happens is that the neurons grow from top to bottom, and then from bottom to top. Without the graphene nanoribbons, they just miss each other. So, two weeks after the surgery, the rodent can walk just fine. It scored an 18 out of 21 in mobility, with 21 being perfect mobility. In three weeks, it scored a 19, able to run and do most everything that it was doing. This particular rodent had still a little bit of a curl in one of its paws. But hopefully we’ll get better at that.”

In John 14:12, Jesus says, “Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things that these, because I am going to the Father.” Tour aims to do just that. “We’re working on restoring optic nerves where we could do whole eye transplants – something that’s never been done. We already have in our group where we’ve developed a system that can restore hearing. We want to restore walking. We want to restore seeing. We want to make the lame walk, the blind see and the deaf hear. We want to do the works of Jesus Christ.”

https://hbu.edu/news-and-events/2018/11/13/world-renowned-scientist-dr-james-tour/

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 22, 2021 7:03 am

Dan as much as admitted it the other day when he laughingly stated that the holdouts were now largely irrelevant

A Textor ‘they don’t matter’ moment.

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2021 7:04 am

Monty ran that what a terrible loss for Perrottet about the international travel announcement line.
A couple of days later Andrews is a copy cat from Ballarat and no-one cares about the alleged faux pas.
And now Perrottet and Morrison are making some big announcement from a Qantas hangar today?
valiant effort by prguy17

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 7:05 am

That last comment is so lacking in logic and emotional nonsense

It clearly got under your skin, regardless of its dialectic or rhetorical merits.

Have a productive day for the tyranny, Comrade Struth…

Mater
October 22, 2021 7:05 am

People have the right to get vaccinated against any disease they think has the potential to affect their health.

No one is denying that, but part of being an adult is recognising that all decisions (even rational ones) have consequences.

Soldiers regularly have to choose between their own well being and the good of the country, as a whole. Either choice is rational, both have different consequences. I’ve never been adverse to forego personal wellbeing. Other are of a different mind…or didn’t see the other side of the coin.

Everyone makes their own choices, and ultimately have to live with the consequences. At least recognise those consequences, and own them.

Tell me that Dan would’ve implemented this system if vaccination levels were stagnant at 50%. No, he wouldn’t have, because 50% non-participation in a second economy would have been unviable for most/all effected businesses, and Dan would’ve been up shit creek.

Dan and his flunkies have played this beautifully. He’s staged it perfectly so as not to startle the natives too much, and has limited the backlash by doing it piecemeal. Only after it too late, will people realise what they’ve actually been contributing too. It’s text book stuff. If it wasn’t so evil, you’d be forced to admire it.

132andBush
132andBush
October 22, 2021 7:19 am

Only after it too late, will people realise what they’ve actually been contributing too. It’s text book stuff. If it wasn’t so evil, you’d be forced to admire it.

Conversation with my sister the other day went something like this;

Sister:”Bush, you and your lot are the only people we know who are not jabbed but that doesn’t mean we’re worried about you coming to visit.”

Me: “The point is it’s not YOU who decides if we can come and visit, it’s the government”

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2021 7:22 am

Ordinary people are not soldiers. This is not a war. No-one should be asked to die because you don’t like the policies of dan andrews.
He was and still is a ‘pre-existing condition’ that I didn’t vote for and who can be voted out next election.
I couldn’t care less what Dan would or wouldn’t do in this or that scenario. We already knew who and what he is.
Whatever decision people made here in Victoria and for whatever reason they made it is still their right.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2021 7:24 am

Matersays:

October 22, 2021 at 7:05 am

People have the right to get vaccinated against any disease they think has the potential to affect their health.

No one is denying that

Are you sure about that?
No one?

Mater
October 22, 2021 7:27 am

Whatever decision people made here in Victoria and for whatever reason they made it is still their right.

Yes, and it had consequences.
Here we are.

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2021 7:28 am

David Starkey and Nigel Farage overnight…..talking over a pint. It’s worth listening to, because the always erudite Starkey nails everything from soft borders to the evil that is cancel culture…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CPXPDnr-8s

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2021 7:28 am

Mater is quite correct when it comes to all decisions having consequences.
Most are remote to people.
Want a steak, go to an abattoir.
Want a mobile phone, check out the slave labour that produces it.
And the government response to COVID (including vaccines) is the biggest event since the industrial revolution & as those spiderwebs of consequences spread, they’re going to get pretty close to home.
That’s why I’m so black pilled.
It doesn’t depress me at all which surprises me when I think about it.

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 7:29 am

REx, desperate ol’ rexypoo.
When your argument is that working is supporting communism, you need to have a little rest.
You’ve been totally destroyed again this morning, and it’s somewhat embarrassing.

Mater
October 22, 2021 7:29 am

Are you sure about that?

Yep.

Struth might be criticising the choice, but he’s not denying people had/have the right.

Criticism is also a consequence of choice.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 22, 2021 7:29 am

Socialist Energy

Dot? Is that you?

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2021 7:32 am

The US is closer to blowing apart now that any time since the end of the civil war.

No it’s not. The US is NOT going to blow apart either with another civil war or peaceful division. It’s just not going to happen.

Perhaps the right question is not will it blow apart, but should it. Direct from the CDC. Basically, concentration camps.

Interim Operational Considerations for Implementing the Shielding Approach to Prevent COVID-19 Infections in Humanitarian Settings

Stew Peters interviewed DeAnna Lorraine more than two months ago on this very topic.

One thing is becoming crystal clear. They are not going to give our lives back voluntarily.

struth
struth
October 22, 2021 7:32 am

That’s because they haven’t got your mind, FTB.
It’s a joyous thing to know.

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2021 7:39 am

Where was the call to arms when dan (or Anna) introduced abortion to term?
Euthanasia?
The criminalising of the seal of the confessional?
You want people to die in this ditch.
No. And I seem to recall a deathly silence from certain quarters on all of those fundamental principles.
We can also criticise the criticism.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2021 7:42 am

Struth might be criticising the choice, but he’s not denying people had/have the right.

Is that right Struth?
People have an individual right to choose?
Yes or no.
No buts, qualifiers or white feathers.

rosie
rosie
October 22, 2021 7:44 am

One dollar says socialist energy is an avian.

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2021 7:44 am

“I am an absolutist.
Not on all subjects.
But when it comes to fighting commos and tyrants you can’t give an inch”

Then by being so “absolutist” you are in principle an autocrat and anti the people’s will. It’s like the Jacobins and the terror versus the Ancien Regime…both autocratic, both totalitarian, both absolutist.

If you really care about individual liberty then stop describing yourself as “absolutist”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2021 7:46 am

If you mouth the words “you have the right to choose” then follow it with 500 words of gibberish about Klaus and the New World Order (is that a band or something?) it kind of suggests that the opening sentence about individual rights was just lip service.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 22, 2021 7:46 am

When your argument is that working is supporting communism, you need to have a little rest.

Incorrect.

You proclaim you are better than everyone else, because you are Struth. and everyone else is a Communists or a sheep. In truth, you are no better and no worse than any other person here.

Since you like to present yourself without fail as an obnoxious canute, I respond to you in the way you demonstrate you wish to be responded to.

You’ve been totally destroyed again this morning, and it’s somewhat embarrassing.

Have I? You wouldn’t still be trying to get the last word in if that were the case.

Anyway, what is it with you and wanting to ‘destroy’ anyone who is as horrible back to you as you are to everyone on this blog in general?

Did Mummy not let you pull enough wings off flies when you were small?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2021 7:47 am

If you really care about individual liberty then stop describing yourself as “absolutist”.

The concern for individual liberty is only one deep.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 22, 2021 7:48 am

But when it comes to fighting commos and tyrants you can’t give an inch

He said, on his way to work and thus both furthering and validating the Establishment commos and tyrants.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2021 7:48 am

You’ve been totally destroyed again this morning, and it’s somewhat embarrassing.

Typically if someone has been destroyed, it doesn’t need to be pointed out.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2021 7:49 am

Serena Williams husband has a bad day.
SNAP drops 30% after the close.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2021 7:51 am

Well that’ll teach them.
Nick Clegg is such a cuck.
That Cameron made him deputy PM will be the most shameful chapter in his memoirs.

Facebook Rebuked by Its Oversight Board

Facebook’s oversight board rebuked the social-media company for not being forthcoming about exempting high-profile users from its rules, and said it is drafting recommendations for how to overhaul the system, following a Wall Street Journal investigation into the practice.

calli
calli
October 22, 2021 7:51 am

I thought this was a discussion blog.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2021 7:53 am

I thought this was a discussion blog

It developed more into a yelling at each other blog with Kanye music when Rabz is about.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 22, 2021 7:57 am

Everyone who is vaccinated, irrespective of any rationale behind it should die of thrombosis.

All small family-owned generational businesses must be made to ‘fight’. This includes abusing teenagers behind the jump in coffee shops working their first job.

I will observe this and issue further directions from my couch, as I can afford to do so – for example, I have a hundred-thousand-dollar asset sitting in my backyard and I don’t need to use it, lease it or sell it.

St. Ruth to the Cows, Chapter 2: Get Thee to the Epitaph

calli
calli
October 22, 2021 7:59 am

I met a friend on my morning walk, hadn’t seen her for months. Retired nurse. Like most people with a functioning brain, she agreed that we’re all going to get the thing one way or another, regardless of enjabbening.

The critical thing is to maintain a high level of personal health and fitness to ensure a good outcome. It seems we’re right back where we started a year ago, but with a trail of economic ruin and human misery behind us.

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2021 8:02 am

The Lindt Cafe in Sydney’s Martin Place has closed.

sfw
sfw
October 22, 2021 8:03 am

Andrews is an unbelievably good politician, he’s evil but but very good at it. He will win the next election, the Libs are literally on his side on every major issue, look how they supported Andrews when he recently banned MP’s from attending parliament if they don’t reveal their vax status. At federal level the Libs are just dog shit lying in the sun waiting for the Labor lawnmower to break them into dust. The NSW libs could have really put the pressure on Andrews by dropping the vaxes and opening up, but they haven’t, they make noises about it but let’s wait and see if they really do. The entire country is rooted, our institutions are corrupt, the education system is corrupted and the media are the politicians lapdogs. I want to leave but can’t.

shatterzzz
October 22, 2021 8:05 am

Do you ever wonder why gummint hasn’t taken BAT FLU rules to their logical conclusion ..?
You drive your car to the shops? Have you considered the convenience of walking and saving the several hundred lives caused by vehicle accidents every year ..
Think about it! Across the board if we stopped & thought about not doing sooo many normal everyday routines how many folk would survive .. After all! ..
WE IS ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, except ……..!

Gab
Gab
October 22, 2021 8:05 am

Fin Review issues warning to companies.

‘Terrible mistake’ could send execs to jail over vaccine certificates

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 22, 2021 8:05 am

The entire country is rooted, our institutions are corrupt, the education system is corrupted and the media are the politicians lapdogs. I want to leave but can’t.

Forms letters sfw.
That’s the only way we’ll get anything done.
I can direct you to Big Websites where that can look after that kind of thing.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 22, 2021 8:06 am

the Libs are literally on his side on every major issue

Because, at heart, they want to be liked. Because they appear to be inherently averse to any kind of conflict.

Because they are an uninspiring conglomeration of effete milquetoasts.

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