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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 29, 2021 10:07 pm

This feels like a trap. At least, that’s what Admiral Ackbar would say.

From the C-virus Vic site:

From 6 pm on 25 November, domestic visitors to Victoria will no longer need to get a travel permit to enter the state, regardless of their vaccination status.

You are not required to quarantine or hold a permit to enter Victoria from another Australian state or territory to visit, work, transit, or if you are a cross-border resident.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 29, 2021 10:10 pm

I’m surprised that Dr John Campbell hasn’t been kicked off youtube.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 29, 2021 10:21 pm

The Falklands War was a disgrace

Really?

I’d have thought it a triumph. That a two-carrier force could sail all that way; dislodge a prepared enemy from a land position, while protecting that force from hostile air and sea attacks….

Militarily, that counts as one of the mightiest victories in the history of warfare. Well done indeed to the British Army, RAF, RN, and Marines.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 29, 2021 10:28 pm

I’d have thought it a triumph.

Well, that’s what you would think, TE. You’re merely a formal RAN officer, who’s fought in hot war/s and an accomplished, globally recognised historian – particularly in the naval field of endeavour.

Ed October, being a solitary Brisbane shut-in, has you outpointed in every aspect.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 29, 2021 10:29 pm

*former*

Big day on the grindstone. Again. No excuse though.

Zatara
Zatara
November 29, 2021 10:32 pm

Australia will force social networks to identify trolls, so they can be sued for defamation

Just how social media companies will be made to identify users was not explained, nor has a bill been posted that would shed light on how the law would operate

Indeed. This will be interesting to watch.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
November 29, 2021 10:33 pm

Frank,
Australians are polyglot.
Whereas I am a pure blood, a pure blooded Aussie and a pure blooded descendant of Vikings.
So what if the OED is anachronistic? English evolves. Organisations play Humpty Dumpty with words.
Some archaic meanings of words are their antonyms now.
When I say I am a pureblood as I have not been vaxxed, is it incorrect as I have had many vaccinations, inoculations, etc.
We all know when I say I am unvaxxed it means the current response to the shamdemic.
Asinine for vaxxies to play the nasty Nazi card. Just buyers remorse.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
November 29, 2021 10:39 pm

Top Ender
The RFA? The civvies in the STUFT?
No shoutout for them? They got the medal and a lot the rosette as well.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

The Falklands War was a disgrace

I think Eduardo de Casa just blew his cover.
All those years of training & embedding, down the drain.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 10:44 pm

To this day I often wonder would Gough have gotten in to power if Gorton had still been PM

I’ve read speculation as to how Hasluck would have fared, running against Whitlam in 1972.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 29, 2021 10:46 pm

Thank you kindly Knuckles…I must buy more hot dogs from your van.

You are quite right of course Miss Anthropist…my comment was designed to be brief.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

The Falklands War was a disgrace

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Belay my last. (keyboard issues)

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
November 29, 2021 10:55 pm

Top Ender,
Quit so. You are probably too young to have meet screaming queen ships stewards with their ribbon up.
Or maybe not, given what the Services are like these days.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

In The Australian:

Ask Patricia Karvelas about the perception of a leftist bias within the ABC, and she is quick to defend the editorial rigour of the public broadcaster.
“The ABC is home to a great diversity of views,” said Karvelas,

Er.. yeah. The same diversity of views as one finds on Quiggin’s blog, where someone wrote a couple of days ago they go there because “I am glad JQ’s blog isn’t an echo chamber

The ALPBC has the same diversity of views as is to be found on Quiggin’s blog. (Except Quiggin’s may not be as far to the left)

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Judging by this quote, which cannot be reconciled with any of her on-air or social media comments, The Australian must have accidentally interviewed Patricia Karvelas’ look-alike stunt double or something:

“My life experience means that I understand that the wider country is really, really different to the inner-cities of Melbourne and Sydney.

“My job is to be a fierce advocate for the whole country.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 11:05 pm

This one’s for military type Cats. Any constructive comment?

Way back when, I was taught that bullying and bastardy were the marks of poor leadership, and substandard N.C.O’s.

‘Constant belittling’ prompted army private suicide, royal commission hears

Ben Packham
Foreign Affairs and Defence Correspondent
@bennpackham
An hour ago November 29, 2021

Daniel Garforth was a “cheeky” class clown at school and “one of life’s little helpers” who loved to fish and catch yabbies and dreamed of ­one day becoming a soldier serving his country.

But just two years after he joined the army, Private Garforth took his own life, a victim of “endless torment” by his commanders, his mother Nikki Jamieson told the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide.

In its opening day of evidence on Monday, the royal commission heard ­that Defence was blighted by “hazing and bastard­isation” and “archaic” training methods that shattered the mental health of some recruits.

Ms Jamieson, who is close to completing a PhD in veterans’ mental health, said her son was “incredibly excited” when he was accepted into the army at 19.

But his mental health declined after he completed basic training, amid “constant belittling and demoralisation” which at one point left him “catatonic”, she said.

He felt “incredibly betrayed by those who were supposed to protect him”.

His fitness suffered, and he lived in fear of being ridiculed as a “malingerer”.

“Fundamentally, Daniel gave everything to the ADF and felt ­incredibly betrayed by his chain of command and abandoned by the ADF,” Ms Jamieson said.

“Daniel’s chain of command contributed significantly to his decline in mental health and ultimately his death.”

She said there were “so many lovely words” in Defence policies that should have helped her son – but they were not put into effect.

Ms Jamieson, whose testimony was the first taste of the criticism Defence is set to face in the long-awaited royal commission, said her son was denied the support he desperately needed, and those responsible should to be held accountable.

Before he suicided in 2014, he had sought to be discharged from the army.

But Ms Jamieson said his application was rejected because he failed to complete the necessary paperwork, and he was instead threatened with charges. He was “fearful of going to work”, “on the verge of crying” on multiple occasions, and there were documented examples of bullying and harassment.

“How much more evidence is required?” Ms Jamieson said.

“He became very isolated and withdrawn from his friends, his colleagues, and just from his work responsibilities.”

She quoted from Daniel’s suicide note: “The thing that finally pushed me over the edge was this job, constantly being demoralised and ridiculed. I just could not ­handle it anymore.”

Ms Jamieson accused Defence of using “archaic training and indoctrination techniques designed for types of war that we no longer have”, and which were no longer appropriate for “contemporary workforce physical and mental health needs”.

Associate Professor Ben Wadham, a Flinders University sociologist, told the royal commission that military training had a “dark side” that commanders “don’t want to talk about”.

Associate Professor James Connor, a sociologist from UNSW Canberra, said developing a “band of brothers” camaraderie was key to preparing soldiers who would fight – but building such cohesion between soldiers “also needs someone else to define against”.

“It is almost certainly the enemy, but it can also be those within a small group who are considered unworthy, or not as valuable, or not as useful to the group. Typically, we see that as the men who are not as stereotypically masculine.”

He said those who were seen to be “letting down the team” were often targeted with “bastardisation and hazing and abuse to try and fix you up”.

At the same time, an ethos that “you don’t rat on fellow soldiers” ensured problems of bullying and abuse stayed “in house”.

srr
srr
November 29, 2021 11:10 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
November 29, 2021 at 7:08 pm

“JCsays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:43 pm
The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

I believe it’s even starker, but you first, explain why you think that?”

I’ll try to explain…..here’s an example.
[…]
To be daily scorned, smeared and ridiculed as “white supremacists, xenophobes, racists, Islamophobes, dumbos, and so on by the middle class scum running Labour. It’s no different here, […]

Cassie of Sydney says:
November 29, 2021 at 7:09 pm
[…]
God to bed slag heap……make sure you clean your dildo before you do.

Cassie, your charm as hollow as your good will, you’ll always be a bad actor who can’t act, but don’t worry, few will dare tell you, to your face.

cohenite
November 29, 2021 11:11 pm

Smart gays are intuitively conservative because they know the only society which tolerates them is a functioning Western democracy. The problem is there are a lot of arse-fucked dumb gays who just want revenge in a pure cognitive dissonant way. My favourite are the gays who support islam.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 11:20 pm

“Cassie, your charm as hollow as your good will, you’ll always be a bad actor who can’t act, but don’t worry, few will dare tell you, to your face.”

I hope you’ve scrubbed your mouldy dildo.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 11:24 pm

““The ABC is home to a great diversity of views,” said Karvelas,”

Sure it is Pat…..sure it is.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 11:28 pm

Actor David Gulpilil has died.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 11:29 pm

“Smart gays are intuitively conservative because they know the only society which tolerates them is a functioning Western democracy. “

I think that men like Dave Rubin, Andy Ngo and Douglas Murray would agree with that.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 11:35 pm

Actor and dancer David Gulpilil dies
David Gulpilil was a proud Yolngu man from Ramingining in Northeast Arnhem Land. Picture: Miles Rowland

Rhiannon Down
Reporter
@rhi_down
8 minutes ago November 29, 2021

Legendary actor and dancer David Gulpilil has died, after a film career that spanned 50 years.

Gulpilil, as he was known on screen instead of his full name David Gulpilil Ridjimiraril Dalaithngu, was born and raised in Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory before starring in some of the nation’s best known films, including Storm Boy, Walkabout and Ten Canoes.

He was diagnosed with lung cancer in 2017, and received some of the country’s highest honours in his lifetime, including being made a member of the Order of Australia in 1987 and awarded the Australian Centenary Medal in 2001.

A proud Yolngu man from Ramingining in Northeast Arnhem Land, Gulpilil was cast in his first film part as an unknown in Nicolas Roeg’s 1971 classic Walkabout.

His performance made him an instant international celebrity and he went on to star in Baz Luhrmann‘s Australia (2008), The Tracker (2002) and Charlie’s Country (2014).

South Australian Premier Steven Marshall paid tribute to Gulpilil, who lived in Murray Bridge in SA.

“An actor, a dancer, singer and painter, he was also one of the greatest artists Australia has ever seen,” Mr Marshall said.

“His breakout role in Walkabout, by British filmmaker Nicolas Roeg 1971, was the first time that many in Australia and internationally had seen an Aboriginal character portrayed on screen.

“His haunting, moving performance was equal parts devastating as it was electric.”

Walkabout set a theme for the rest of his acting career, his roles after putting him at the centre of the national conversation about Australia‘s colonial past, and the relationship between its Indigenous and occupier selves.

“But David Gulpilil’s life was not without its struggles – he encountered racism and discrimination and lived with the pressure of the divide between his traditional lifestyle and his public profile,” Mr Marshall said.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
November 29, 2021 11:43 pm

That pommie chick in walkabout was awesome in her career. Be a wrinkle now though.
Never afraid to get them out. And more.

Megan
Megan
November 29, 2021 11:43 pm

Was it today you were having work done on your knee, Cassie? Hope it all went very well, especially if it’s your kicking leg involved.

Lazlo
Lazlo
November 29, 2021 11:46 pm

Walkabout, along with Wake in Fright, were the birth of the modern Oz fillum industry.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 11:50 pm

That pommie chick in walkabout was awesome in her career

Jenny Agutter – last seen as the long suffering Jane Clark, opposite John Hurt, in “The Alan Clark Diaries.”

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 29, 2021 11:52 pm

Nope, Jedda was.
Oddly no mention of Journey out of Darkness in Kamahl’s recent panegyric?

Lazlo
Lazlo
November 29, 2021 11:58 pm

Jenny Agutter..

Very saucy wench in White Mischief, saintly Mother Superior in Call the Midwife.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
November 30, 2021 12:00 am

Zulu Kilo 2Alpha,
I have heard some horror tales about the Army theses days. Then again when I joined they cut off all my hair, scrubbed me down with carbolic soap have me a cold bowl of fatty soup and two itchy blankets.
We used to look after each other. You would get bullied if you wouldn’t do your job. The singing fist of correction was used on the odd occasion if all else failed.
We used to do things for fun they’d be kicked out for now.We had beer overseas and women if you were game.
Proper rifles in those days. Dressed for success in the Jungle. None of these Nancy helmets and body armour. How can you fight if you can’t move quickly?
Anyway by the look of those in Canberra who would want to serve under them? Career focussed arseholes. Troops are not well served by them.
Now I’m reminiscing I remember the big fight I had with my parents about joining the Army. I didn’t want to go.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Karvelas’ answers are revealing.
(Remember, this is in an interview where she is claiming non-bias at the ABC)

“When Labor runs a scare campaign, I’ll call it out. When the Libs run a campaign that’s based on lies, I’ll call that out too.

Libs run campaigns based on lies.
If Labor does the same, it’s just a “scare” campaign.

Yeah, no bias at all there.
The “diversity of views” at the ABC would be corridor-hissing between those who support Christine Milne & those who believe Richard di Natale was the better leader.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 30, 2021 12:09 am

Then again when I joined they cut off all my hair, scrubbed me down with carbolic soap have me a cold bowl of fatty soup and two itchy blankets.

What did you join, the French Foreign Legion?

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
November 30, 2021 12:33 am

It was a long time ago. My memory may be playing tricks.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

What did you join, the French Foreign Legion?

Er.. what makes you think it was the Foreign Legion? There were two blankets issued, mon ami.

Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 4:14 am
JC
JC
November 30, 2021 4:28 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 4:57 am

Just how social media companies will be made to identify users was not explained, nor has a bill been posted that would shed light on how the law would operate

Remember when Tony Abbott made a regulatory impact statement be prepared for all legislation that was introduced?
Long time ago.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 5:04 am

Looking at Nina Funnell’s twitter for the first time.
Now I see why she excluded going after the key ALP promoters of the gag legislation (that gave rise to Grace Tame).
She just isn’t hard left.
She’s unhinged.
She’s writing a book, how is she going to thread that needle?

Winston Smith's Keyboard.
November 30, 2021 5:12 am

Thanks Dover Beach – If that’s the case, this should be the last one you need to sort out.

bespoke
bespoke
November 30, 2021 5:13 am

DrBeauGansays:
November 29, 2021 at 9:24 pm
I recognise that homosexuals have something wrong with part of their brains; the same applies to depressives, and quite a lot of others.

It doesn’t follow that they are incapable of rational thought in other respects, and they might well have an affection for traditions. Including rationality

Very sensible and mature 10/10.
People do a lot things that we don’t understand or are seen as self-destructive. Intervention should only start when it imposes on others anything more leaves an opening to authoritarianism.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 5:16 am

Jack no longer the big cheese at twitter.

jupes
jupes
November 30, 2021 5:52 am

But just two years after he joined the army, Private Garforth took his own life, a victim of “endless torment” by his commanders, his mother Nikki Jamieson told the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide.

If there is one thing we (should have) learned from the pathetic Kovco affair back in 2006, it is that a soldier’s mother is probably not the best person to be taking advice from in regards to his death.

Ms Jamieson accused Defence of using “archaic training and indoctrination techniques designed for types of war that we no longer have”, and which were no longer appropriate for “contemporary workforce physical and mental health needs”.

Probably not the best person to take advice from in regards to training methods or future conflicts either. That being said, Ms Jamieson should be happy with current methods of training, because they no longer prepare soldiers for any type of war and are more in line with contemporary (civilian) workforce requirements.

johanna
johanna
November 30, 2021 6:07 am

Given human history, I don’t think that asserting that homosexuals have something wrong with their brain is anything more than an opinion.

The reality is that while the extent of homosexual behaviour varies with circumstances (e.g. in prisons) there has always been a small but persistent percentage of people – mainly men – who are homosexual no matter what sanctions are applied to them.

I fail to see how persecuting these people, who have cropped up in every generation and society since history was first recorded, serves any practical or moral purpose.

There is a big difference between the tiny activist wing and the vast majority, as is the case in society more generally. The rich old Paddington queens I know detest the lefties, have always voted Liberal, and agree that child molesters and kiddie pornographers should be strung up by the balls.

I was reading about Alan Turing recently – the mathematical whiz who was singularly instrumental in cracking the Enigma code in WWII. Poor chap was a poove, was busted being one after the war, and publicly disgraced. Put on some sort of hormonal cocktail that was supposed to curb his urges. He committed suicide not long afterwards.

Of course hardly any pooves are Alan Turing, but it highlights how even a patriot like him was treated, and would be if some of the commenters here had their way.

Dare I mention that anal sex is not exclusive to male homosexuals? Female prostitutes who are prepared to have it on the menu get plenty of business.

jupes
jupes
November 30, 2021 6:11 am

The rich old Paddington queens I know detest the lefties, have always voted Liberal

If they detest lefties, why do they vote for them?

johanna
johanna
November 30, 2021 6:11 am

BTW, Alexander the Great would mow over the keyboard warriors here on the early part of his afternoon off. 🙂

johanna
johanna
November 30, 2021 6:15 am

FFS Jupes, I am talking about old queens who have lived there for 50 years, and have always voted Liberal. From back to the start of the Gay Liberation Movement.

Stop applying today’s rules to past behaviour.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 30, 2021 6:18 am

omicron scary enough

Rosie – All this stuff would be a great psych experiment if it wasn’t so annoying. On Friday the markets crashed because scary Omicron. Now I wake this morning to this WSJ headline…

Stocks Rise as Investors Shrug Off Omicron Worries

It’s like watching sheep flee in terror from some imagined danger from one side of a field to the other, only to right flee back again a day later.

rosie
rosie
November 30, 2021 6:22 am

I bet you the Portuguese football team got routine tests because travel and no-one is actually sick.
Portugal gets the world first local transmission award though.

Mater
November 30, 2021 6:23 am

That being said, Ms Jamieson should be happy with current methods of training, because they no longer prepare soldiers for any type of war and are more in line with contemporary (civilian) workforce requirements.

Agreed. I was going to say, if he wasn’t suited for the modern training establishment, he was most certainly not suited to the battlefield.

The failing, if there was one, was that he wasn’t identified and removed in a timely manner. Perhaps the system is now so soft that that’s not allowed either.

The less honest, and more grandiose, the recruitment ads are, the more of these disillusioned recruits you end up with. This might be such a case. The yellow cards, and such, that are in play in training establishments today, led me to suspect that he might have been highly unsuited to this vocation. Yes, there are bastards in training establishments (as there are everywhere), but the oversight nowadays is incredibly intense compared to there days where we were forced to block sword thrusts with hard cover note books. His options were many, and he couldn’t just be ignored. The story has more to it, I’m sure.

The reality is, not matter how hard the training course is (and I include the SASR selection course in this), it’s doesn’t compare to the battlefield. These courses are designed to assess that you have a chance of surviving it, not a guarantee that you can. People should be thankful for strenuous training…it saves lives.

I despise bullying (and, yes, I’ve seen my share of it), but my experience has shown me ample times that claims of bullying is often the last refuge of the non-hacker who wants to save face with his/her family. “I didn’t have the mental resolve”, is not something that 19-20 year old men fess up to their parents, on arriving back on their doorstep.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 30, 2021 6:30 am

Actor David Gulpilil has died.

Sad to hear it. He was a fine actor with huge charisma.

This is the portrait of him which won the Archibald in 2004. Captures him so well.

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 6:32 am

Greg’s Airplanes, analysis of performance of P-40 Allison and Merlin engined variants with a shout out to the RAAF for running very high manifold boost pressures on the Allison’s without breaking anything. (TE, worth a look!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdnMZCA-9k

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 6:33 am

Actor David Gulpilil has died.

I remember meeting him in primary school.

Zatara
Zatara
November 30, 2021 6:39 am

Storm Arwen traps customers in Yorkshire Dales’ Tan Hill Inn for third night

More than 60 people have spent two nights camped out at Britain’s highest pub due to heavy snowfall brought on by Storm Arwen.

Staff at a pub cut off by snow were preparing a karaoke evening on Sunday as they expect guests to be unable to escape for a third night.

The horror…

PeterM
PeterM
November 30, 2021 6:46 am

For the first time ever, Broelman made me laugh this morning.

Thanks Tom

Cassie of Sydney
November 30, 2021 6:47 am

“She just isn’t hard left.
She’s unhinged.”

Yes…but this ghastly woman has the ears of government…including many in the coalition. Credlin like to give this creature a platform too.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 30, 2021 6:49 am

Why on earth did McMahon not abolish conscription when we were out of Vietnam, and when the 18 year-old’s had the vote.

Possibly because 18 year olds didn’t get the vote until the 1974 Election?

Gorton was an unknown Senator, why they put him forward is a mystery.
The Country Party Leader objected to McMahon, so Gorton was only ever a stopgap until they could get rid of McEwen.
Once that was achieved, McMahon went on to bring our troops home.
If he’d taken over in 1968 he might have done that earlier.

Cassie of Sydney
November 30, 2021 6:51 am

“johannasays:
November 30, 2021 at 6:07 am”

Great comment. Thank you.

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 6:51 am

This, from the punter who not that long ago said he was a bit overwhelmed and just wanted to ‘chill out for a few years’

If the idiocracy is going to force you out of employment despite all your efforts to defeat their stupidity, then why the fuck not just chill?

I’m considering doing the same if I get booted out of the workforce, I hope they fucking miss the 100k+ a year that I pay in tax. They can get fucked.

johanna
johanna
November 30, 2021 7:01 am

Gulpilil was a charismatic actor and otherwise talented.

RIP.

But, the eulogies omit large periods of his life where he was a drunk who often slept where he fell. He did well to live as long as he did. Or perhaps, Western medicine did well.

If David’s other story is ever told, no doubt it will be framed as Whitey Ripping Him Off.

Sigh.

Mater
November 30, 2021 7:04 am

I’m hearing that Rob Barton (Crossbencher) may have given his vote to the Pandemic Bill.

Baba
Baba
November 30, 2021 7:11 am

Robert Barnes (@barnes_law) Tweeted:
Federal court dismantles Biden’s vaccine mandate, noting Biden administration cannot show any evidence it even reduces transmission at all. Big, big ruling, with big impact for all vaccine mandate cases. Read the whole ruling here:
https://t.co/YAO0s3MMQQ https://twitter.com/barnes_law/status/1465410844628426752?s=20

Barry
Barry
November 30, 2021 7:11 am

feelthebernsays:
November 30, 2021 at 4:57 am
Just how social media companies will be made to identify users was not explained, nor has a bill been posted that would shed light on how the law would operate

Refer to the digital identity legislation before Parliament currently.

You’ll have to “Prove Your Identity” to Facebook, Twatter, Gmail, Newcat, etc so they can “out” you.

Wheels within wheels.

Mater
November 30, 2021 7:16 am

I’m hearing that Rob Barton (Crossbencher) may have given his vote to the Pandemic Bill.

I knew Dan would get his way. He only needed to get one of them, and he appears to have a bottomless bucket from which to produce tribute.

History will not be kind.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 30, 2021 7:17 am

Thanks Rickw for the P-40 Warhawk Allison engine vs. Merlin – lots of great pictures and computer graphics…

johanna
johanna
November 30, 2021 7:20 am

Indeed, Baz. G mail has already foreshadowed requirements for users to ‘prove’ their identity.

I’m outta there.

Cassie of Sydney
November 30, 2021 7:25 am

“Just how social media companies will be made to identify users was not explained, nor has a bill been posted that would shed light on how the law would operate”

I’m intrigued by this as well. And I wonder how such legislation will impact a blog like Catallaxy.

I also think that this proposed new legislation, if enacted, will simply be another weapon for those on the left to go after and silence those on right.

I want less laws…not more laws.

Baba
Baba
November 30, 2021 7:30 am

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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 30, 2021 7:31 am

jupes:

If there is one thing we (should have) learned from the pathetic Kovco affair back in 2006, it is that a soldier’s mother is probably not the best person to be taking advice from in regards to his death.

Correct.

Mater:

His options were many, and he couldn’t just be ignored. The story has more to it, I’m sure.

And:

“I didn’t have the mental resolve”, is not something that 19-20 year old men fess up to their parents, on arriving back on their doorstep.

Also correct. Using the current norm that ‘bullying’ is now defined in its corporate sense, ie ‘somehow making me do what I am paid for’, the inevitable result is that anyone who either can’t or won’t fulfil mandatory requirements is suddenly a terrible victim of The Machine.

Vicki
Vicki
November 30, 2021 7:36 am

Re Gulpilil.

Yes, a wonderful actor. He epitomised so much that characterised the cheekiness, natural elegance and absolute connection with this land. Many may contest this characterisation pointing out the effects of the battle with the booze that afflicts so many of our Aborigines, & disfigures so much of those attributes.

But I will always remember him at his best. Most recently, late at night I happened upon a movie on TV in which he starred called “Charlie’s Country”.It was directed, I think, by the same director who who produced that amazing movie “Samson & Delilah”. It was a wonderful venture between a great actor & a great director who totally understands the sad reality of the contemporary Aboriginal man living a life that can never be a recreation of the past. Indeed, the movie I believe was based on Gulpilil’s own life., the director having found him in a Darwin gaol.

I will always particularly recall the beauty of his dancing and his immersion in the tales of this land beyond the towns and cities.

Tom
Tom
November 30, 2021 7:36 am

Rachel Baxendale in the Oz (filed half an hour ago):

The Andrews government has agreed to significant changes to its controversial pandemic bill at the eleventh hour, securing a deal which will see the legislation pass state parliament later this week.

Transport Matters Party MP Rod Barton will vote in favour of the bill, following 10 days of negotiations with the government which have resulted in them agreeing to six amendments.

The amendments include allowing the Ombudsman more oversight of orders made under the legislation, and the establishment of a parliamentary review committee with a minority of government members and a non-government chair and deputy chair.

It will have the power to recommend against pandemic orders, but this would be done through a disallowance motion that would then be required to pass both houses of parliament.

An independent detention appeal panel will also be set up, with the Ombudsman able to receive complaints regarding detention.

All aggravated offences, for which individuals were to be fined up to $45,435 and businesses up to $90,870, have been removed from the bill.

The government had been in a mad scramble to secure the vote of an extra crossbencher for almost a fortnight, after former Labor powerbroker Adem Somyurek revealed he would vote against the bill.

The current state of emergency expires on December 15, with debate on the bill now expected to resume on Tuesday ahead of parliament rising until 2022 at the end of this week.

Having already secured the votes of Reason Party MP Fiona Patten, Animal Justice Party MP Andy Meddick and Greens leader Samantha Ratnam, the government needed one more of the 13 crossbenchers to vote in favour of the bill.

Along with Mr Barton, Sustainable Australia Party MP Clifford Hayes had been seen as one of the government’s best hopes of getting the bill passed, but he was still indicating on Monday that more needed to be done to secure his vote.

“I understand the need for some kind of pandemic framework but if we do not achieve a result that withstands expert and community scrutiny, I will not hesitate to vote against the bill,” Mr Hayes said.

Groups including the Ombudsman, Law Council, Victorian Bar, Liberty Victoria and the Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission have raised issues with the bill, including its lack of a sunset clause, and the fact it would allow a person to be detained without charge for an indefinite period, without the right of appeal to a court — a situation Mr Barton’s amendments seek to remedy.

Senior Andrews government minister Jacinta Allan said negotiations with crossbenchers were continuing, “and are likely to continue for the next couple of days”, citing the emergence of the Omicron variant of Covid as a reason the legislation was needed “more than ever”.

Opposition Leader Matthew Guy accused the government of using Omicron as an excuse to “peddle the politics of fear”, but said Coalition MPs would attend parliament if the government scheduled an extra sitting week to get its legislation passed.

“If I need to be at parliament, I’ll make sure we’re all at parliament,” he said. “This shouldn’t be going on for this long. The government either puts this bill to a vote, yes or no; if it passes, it passes, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. But stop with the uncertainty. You endanger our state’s economic recovery if we keep talking about states of emergency and pandemic bills.”

Link.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 30, 2021 7:42 am

An independent detention appeal panel will also be set up, with the Ombudsman able to receive complaints regarding detention.

We already have those, they’re called courts with judges.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 30, 2021 7:45 am

Don Surber seems grumpy today, which has led to some quite fun prose.

Media: The truth is what we say it is (29 Nov)

The topic is Jack Dorsey stepping down as CEO of Twitter, but Surber has his gatling gun out and the barrels are red hot. I like this para especially:

Colin Kaepernick is the biggest conformist on Earth. It made him rich. His intellectual forebear was the guy who voted to replace the German flag with the swastika. Red China flattered Kaepernick by canceling the Betsy Ross Flag shoe after he complained. Nike patted him on the head and gave him a doggy treat.

Oh dear. Ouch! Much more such goodness in the rest of the column.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 30, 2021 7:46 am

Gulpilil was a charismatic actor and otherwise talented.

David Gulpilil was a violent drunken countryman who never took it up to other men. Always women. Always.

A prolific public domestic violence offender (a real one, not a ‘bullying’ one), he was often seen on Darwin streets because his home community of Ramingining didn’t have access to the mountains of piss that he wanted. Always loudly and publicly getting locked up for being shitfaced and screaming at whitey in the street when he wasn’t flogging female members of his extended family for not idolising him enough, ie buying him more piss.

Every time he was brought before the courts for one of the said floggings, the mouthpieces went to work. One of the great indig names in Australian film, they said. Fell in with others from his own skin group, they said. He was trying to help, they said. Every time he got the kindest possible sentence, and that’s saying something.

Plenty of photos of Gulpilil going around. Not so many of his female rellos, and with good reason. They’re covered in scars from Gulpilil and his traditional knives. One’s been blinded and another one’s missing an ear.

No loss.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 30, 2021 7:47 am

Headless body falls out of cannibal’s car after crash

Schmuck’s off!

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 30, 2021 7:49 am

feelthebern says:
November 30, 2021 at 4:57 am

Remember when Tony Abbott made a regulatory impact statement be prepared for all legislation that was introduced?

That’s okay, Bern, we Victorians have a Human Rights Charter.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 7:51 am

KD, you broke the dam.
Not a pleasant fellow.
Especially to other indigenous actors who he viewed a potential threats.
Statements from some of his peers will be made through gritted teeth.

JMH
JMH
November 30, 2021 7:52 am

Transport Matters Party MP Rod Barton will vote in favour of the bill, following 10 days of negotiations with the government which have resulted in them agreeing to six amendments.

Another bastard prepared to sell his soul. Another bastard who needs to be voted into oblivion at the next State Election – if we have one!

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 7:54 am

The best thing a civilised society can do is get rid of saying nice things about people when they die.
A funeral I was about a decade ago, son of the deceased started off with “he was a sour old prick & he owed a lot of you here money”.
That blew out the cobwebs.

calli
calli
November 30, 2021 7:54 am

Well, haven’t I been schooled in the Power of Propaganda! And aren’t families fun!

Back for another lesson today at the pub.

Everything was going just dandy until I mentioned natural immunity. 😀

Dot
Dot
November 30, 2021 7:54 am

Some idiot commie loser wants me to pay to read his article about his envy on Medium.

https://thebolditalic.com/ivy-gettys-san-francisco-wedding-is-why-we-need-a-wealth-tax-f94a68eeaacc

Haha, no.

Mater
November 30, 2021 7:55 am

“I understand the need for some kind of pandemic framework but if we do not achieve a result that withstands expert and community scrutiny, I will not hesitate to vote against the bill,” Mr Hayes said.

They managed to do this to us for nearly two years…and they need more power?

Fuckhead!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 30, 2021 7:57 am

Used and damaged solar panels FREE

Bargain!

Actually, Baba, it probably is. There’s an ounce of silver in each panel, plus quite a lot of aluminium and some copper. An enterprising scrappy could do well disassembling them for the metal content, then popping the glass and silicon bits in a pile somewhere.

Cassie of Sydney
November 30, 2021 7:59 am

““If I need to be at parliament, I’ll make sure we’re all at parliament,””

Oh such stern fluffy righteousness from Groundhog Day, pity he doesn’t show the same fortitude with the MSM and government when asked about the protest marches. He could say to the MSM…..

“I I need to be at the protests, I’ll make sure we’re all at the protests.”

Victorians deserve better….so much better.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 8:00 am

Aaron Pedersen had a couple of good stories about the deceased.
Unlikely they’ll be aired today or anytime soon.

Mater
November 30, 2021 8:00 am

The best thing a civilised society can do is get rid of saying nice things about people when they die.
A funeral I was about a decade ago, son of the deceased started off with “he was a sour old prick & he owed a lot of you here money”.

I witnessed the son of the deceased stand up in the middle of the tongue bathing eulogies, and walk out of the funeral saying, “Fuck this bullshit!”.

He had good reason. It was the most honest part of the funeral service.

Cassie of Sydney
November 30, 2021 8:00 am

“Knuckle Draggersays:
November 30, 2021 at 7:46 am”

Kol hakavod for that comment KD.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 30, 2021 8:01 am

KD, you broke the dam.

Look, I liked Storm Boy. Saw it at school. ‘Don’t die, Mr Percival, don’t die!’

But the fact remains that there are quite a few indig women that wouldn’t have had their lives irrevocably altered for the worse by permanent injury and disfigurement had it been Gulpilil that died on that beach, and not the pelican.

He wasn’t wonderful in a mystical sort of way, showing ‘traditional Australia’ to sheltered souls. The script was not who he was. It was fake. An act. Because he was an actor.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 8:02 am

Because he was an actor.

Was he a member of the Film Actors Guild?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 30, 2021 8:03 am

KD, you broke the dam.
Not a pleasant fellow.

Caravaggio. You can like the paintings and regret the personal life. I prefer this day to consider David Gulpilil’s art.

Vicki
Vicki
November 30, 2021 8:04 am

Knuggle Dragger.

We all know you are right about the worst about Gulpilil. It is the saga of the contemporary Aborigine – indeed, it is the saga of the ancient Aboriginal man. Anyone who has read widely of early accounts of Aboriginal groups, and/or anthropological studies, will know that violence against women was endemic and horrific. It is useless and stupid not to acknowledge that. Nothing has changed, and indeed, it has been exacerbated by alcohol and a life in artificial and aimless communities.

But, as I have said, if we can discern the best, the iconic, in this man, we are celebrating something special that transcends the frailties of us all.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 30, 2021 8:07 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:
November 29, 2021 at 11:24 pm
““The ABC is home to a great diversity of views,” said Karvelas,”

Sure it is Pat…..sure it is.

It is incredibly diverse. Everything from far left, through extreme left, to Green environmental fascism and communism, is covered, in loving detail, each and every day.

calli
calli
November 30, 2021 8:07 am

Discussing the entire sh*tshow with a PhD (medical discipline) and a Pharma chemist was interesting, though. It went from the virus origin, through the readymade MRna platform, delivery and the politics of jab mandates.

To which I listened politely and made appropriate noises to ensure they knew I understood the more technical aspects. And then it all went downhill.

I mentioned the Curious Case of the Diamond Princess and rickw’s inability to create a positive PCR. Blank looks.

Parting shot brought the heady technical discussion back to a carcrash of authoritarianism – just get vaccinated and wear your mask. 😀

Round One – Calli

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 8:11 am

Going to get another test, fingers crossed!

Keith Forwheels
Keith Forwheels
November 30, 2021 8:11 am

You go first, Keith.

I thought you’d say that. Well Ed, if you do come up with anything notable, please let me know. Even any brave attempts. Better to have tried and failed, then never tried at all.

Dot
Dot
November 30, 2021 8:12 am

My wake hopefully will be at Cabarita. My Nan’s rum balls will be served. My ashes are to be dumped into the Tweed River.

Whoever is first to drink a VB throwdown and smoke a Winnie red off one breath gets my collection of Glen figurines – managers, principals, accountants & business owners.

My estate solicitor will be there with a beer bong to see everything is done to the letter of the law.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 30, 2021 8:13 am

Rod Barton’s Twitter page has a pinned tweet of him speaking in parliament about LED traffic light which, in Victoria, are probably fitted to over 3/4 of the lights already. It’s that all he got in return?

Cassie of Sydney
November 30, 2021 8:16 am

“Knuckle Draggersays:
November 30, 2021 at 7:46 am”

Two years ago CPAC, the inspiring Jacinta Price spoke movingly about her own personal experience with violence. It was shattering.

As she said, contemporary indigenous communities are riddled with violence and particularly violence against women just like traditional indigenous society was (predating the arrival of awful white people) where violence against women was endemic and was entrenched in tribal law.

The problem with the left is that they excuse anything that doesn’t fit squarely into their simplistic Roussian view of the world. They do this with Islam and they do this with indigenous cultures. It all stems from their loathing of European Christian civilization…..so the left will end up justifying the grotesque and the depraved. What offends me most is that they do this with their eyes wide open.

Arky
November 30, 2021 8:16 am

Lovely morning.
Cash, bang, Bang, bang, bang.
“DOOF DOOF DOOF DOOF wahhh, wahhhh,wahhh,wahh”.
Went to the building site next door.
Three jerks loading scaffolding.
Smiling “You guys are just the scaffolders, right”?
Smiling “Yeah”.
Flick to penis mode “So I wont have to listen to this ridiculous shit all day”.
Drops smile “No”,
His mate “Grumble mutter mutter grumpy old prick”.
“You got that right”.
“Mutter mutter” looks at ground
As I walk off “ Get the fuck out of here you old c***”.
“Come here and call me a c*** again”.
Nothing.
Lovely morning.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 30, 2021 8:17 am

But, as I have said, if we can discern the best, the iconic, in this man, we are celebrating something special that transcends the frailties of us all.

Vicki – no, and I don’t care how good an actor he was. Even then, he was only comparatively good. Aaron Pedersen, that bern mentioned above is ten times better and twenty as versatile.

Gulpilil did nothing that transcended our frailties. I have seen the results of his horrific acts to women who in any righteous family group he was supposed to protect. What he was portrayed as by an industry desperate to promote itself and equally desperate for both credibility and cash was not who he was.

He was no role model, except for others aspiring to flog the women in their lives multiple times on a daily basis. All these were his choices. Nobody compelled him to slice his wives or fracture the skulls of his nieces and female cousins. He was never, ever brave enough to take his fellow men on, and known for that ugly trait.

Like I said. No loss.

Mater
November 30, 2021 8:17 am

Going to get another test, fingers crossed!

Rick,
They’ve revoked the exemption for those that have got Covid.

Was speaking to Medical professionals on the weekend about it. If you are not sick as a dog, injections will continue inline with the grand plan.

Cassie of Sydney
November 30, 2021 8:18 am

“It is the saga of the contemporary Aborigine – indeed, it is the saga of the ancient Aboriginal man.”

Quite so.

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 8:19 am

Thanks Rickw for the P-40 Warhawk Allison engine vs. Merlin – lots of great pictures and computer graphics…

I wonder if the steadily improving performance of the P-40 against the Zero was not just related to improved tactics (don’t get into a turning fight) but also the little mentioned ratcheting up of manifold boost pressure which in turn would improve the vertical flight performance.

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 8:21 am

They’ve revoked the exemption for those that have got Covid.

FMD. In the que now. So this is just an academic experiment.

We now really know that science is nothing to do with this, they want that shit in your veins no matter what.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 8:22 am

I have heard some horror tales about the Army theses days.

I would think that mandatory injection of fit young men with a dangerous drug that they don’t need is a worse abuse – backed up by the serving member who told me there were 6 cases of post vax myocarditis at Edinburgh that he knew about.

I gave my intent to speak out publicly against that, plus the inexcusable use of our own military to do internal policing on citizens who are not even sick in the name of ‘public health’ as the reason for me offering my resignation ‘effective immediately’ from the RAAF last week.

They sent me my discharge papers by return email.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 8:23 am

Greg’s Airplanes, analysis of performance of P-40 Allison and Merlin engined variants with a shout out to the RAAF for running very high manifold boost pressures on the Allison’s without breaking anything. (TE, worth a look!)

Second that, great channel that I have watched for a while

Arky
November 30, 2021 8:25 am

Truck just drove off. Ahhhh. Silence.
Beautiful silence.
Time check. 8.22.
So these arse clowns mode of operation is to arrive at a quiet suburban building site, set up a loud stereo to blast Doof Doof stupidity at high volume for 1 hour and 20 minutes of work, then piss off.
They can’t do an hour of simple work without their ridiculous non-music.
Clowns.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 30, 2021 8:25 am

Saturday Paper, Sunday Paper, what next?

Toilet paper?

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 8:27 am

They sent me my discharge papers by return email.

All class.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 30, 2021 8:28 am

rickw says:
November 30, 2021 at 8:21 am

They’ve revoked the exemption for those that have got Covid.

FMD. In the que now. So this is just an academic experiment.

No. Dan can’t have infected people gaining freedom through the back door. Totally in character for the vindictive blight*.

* My personal opinion, should ScoMo’s bill pass and anyone wants to come for me.

calli
calli
November 30, 2021 8:29 am

And….I discovered yet again that the “biggest brains” * can fall for the most stupid of arguments.

An example – equating Whooping Cough to Covid, and the request to be vaxxed before contact with newborns. Perhaps that’s a more pressing issue in this part of the world, being Hippy Central, so it was the first cab off the rank.

Pity they chose this particular one as it was going nowhere.

But it gave me an insight into where we are now.

* and even though they are in the “industry” they knew nothing of the attempted cancelling of Nick Coatsworth

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 30, 2021 8:30 am

So is this omicron strain more or less contagious, and more or less virulent, than previous strains?

I know there will be a lot of rumour swirling around this, and once reliable institutions spent some of the credibility coin to help sell transient political imperatives that have proven to be poor investments with no return.

The CDC comes to mind.

But what is the word…

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 30, 2021 8:30 am

Oh and what happened to ‘Got a problem? Go to a magistrate and get a warrant to obtain what you need through a search!’?

This new bill is like everyone leaving a set of house keys at the police station in case they ever need to search your house.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 8:31 am

I mentioned the Curious Case of the Diamond Princess and rickw’s inability to create a positive PCR. Blank looks.

100% correct, the Diamond Princess was a natural experiment run early on which told us exactly how bad COVID was going to be, Apologies for length, but I paste one of my monologues on it below.

A good example of the 80% rule was the ‘Diamond Princess’ cruise ship which was quarantined due to COVID for about 5 weeks from Feb 2020 with 3711 people aboard (2666 passengers – mainly elderly – cruise ships are pretty much floating nursing homes – and 1045 crew). During this time, corona virus spread throughout the ship (probably via aerosols in the ventilation) and 712 people became ill (712/3711 = 19%) – why didn’t the other 81%? They were breathing the same air – I believe it was because 81% of those exposed defeated the virus without becoming ill. Ultimately 13 passengers and no crew died (13/712 = a case fatality rate of 1.8% btw), in a vulnerable elderly group locked up in a petri dish for 5 weeks – even way back then, when we knew nothing of therapeutics!! – Assuming all 3711 were exposed and dividing by that number gives you an overall population fatality rate of 0.3% (it is even lower now), and for that, they shut the world down for the last 18 months!.

More importantly – many of these 80% never needed to build antibodies – their nonspecific defences stopped the virus at the door – this is important if testing for the presence of antibodies is used to determine whether you have had previous exposure to COVID – because a great % of the population can be immune yet antibody negative.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 30, 2021 8:31 am

If I appear grumpy this morning, it’s only because I see the contrast between what we could be and where we seem to actually be heading… ??

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 30, 2021 8:35 am

Assume that’s a sad-face emoji at the end of my last post.

Arky
November 30, 2021 8:35 am

It’s a matter of principle people.
You have to berate any idiot you come across playing that shit.

calli
calli
November 30, 2021 8:35 am

So is this omicron strain more or less contagious, and more or less virulent, than previous strains?

Doesn’t matter. The story already has a neat frame.

On Sunrise, the chiron screams:

Developing Story – Omicron Threat

Christmas may be cooked.

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
November 30, 2021 8:35 am

Seems to me many oppose ‘these vaccines’ rather vehemently, if many of the posts on this site are any indication, as well as denying even the possibility there are many people who are voluntarily, willingly, vaccinated who nevertheless oppose lockdowns, passports and mandates.
But if you want to treat the vaccinated as the enemy, have at it.

Crikey Moses.

“I’m fully compliant and on board and I’m the victim!”

Arky
November 30, 2021 8:36 am

Fine
Take their side.

Baba
Baba
November 30, 2021 8:37 am

There’s an ounce of silver in each panel

Maybe I should get them all and stack them in the backyard? I can ditch all the glass in the council bin over time.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 30, 2021 8:37 am

The mother of that young bloke who suicided while a member of the ADF has said her son was ‘bullied’ for repeatedly having unpolished shoes.

No words.

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 8:38 am

Status Update:

Little Bloke: Positive – 99% ok.
Missus: Positive – (vaxxed). Lung situation getting worse, discussing with Doctor next steps.
Me: Negative – (unvaxxed). 100%, continuing with vitamins and ivermectin.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 8:39 am

So is this omicron strain more or less contagious, and more or less virulent, than previous strains?

It will be more infectious but less dangerous than the variant it replaces if it follows the natural evolutionary path of viruses, for that is the recipe for a ‘fitter variant’. – the ‘fittest’ virus being the sneaky bugger that manages to infect everyone without making them the slightest bit sick.

The risk, however, is that our mass vax programme will ‘Marek’ it, making a more dangerous variant win the evolutionary battle by masking that – but in the vaxxed only. This is a huge risk and will likely happen at some point – this is another reason to get natural covid asap – before it does that.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
November 30, 2021 8:40 am

This does not surprise me I the slightest. Rather, I would’ve bet on all of this being true.

president-betrayed-bureaucrats-scott-atlas-exposes-real-covid-disaster

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 8:42 am

They sent me my discharge papers by return email. All class.

Yep, and in the modern equivalent of the security guard marching you out of the building with your stapler and rolodex in a box, they cancelled my security clearance and de activated my ID card immediately.

I cant recall ANY previous time the military moved so fast in an adminstrative capacity.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 30, 2021 8:43 am

Wifes uncle a month ago set out what he wanted in his own eulogy. The truth. Said he’d been to too many funerals not knowing the person described. Not for him. 3 weeks ago diagnosed with cancer, died last week. He was one of lifes gentlemen, never had a bad word to say about anyone, he said what they did then would say, “I wouldn’t have done that”. Watched the funeral on wechat. It definitely was him they spoke about.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
November 30, 2021 8:43 am

Calli, the fear porn displayed by the media is absurd even by their ridiculous standards.

Methinks they doth protest too much.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 30, 2021 8:44 am

It (views presented by the ABC) is incredibly diverse.

Something like this…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 30, 2021 8:44 am

So is this omicron strain more or less contagious, and more or less virulent, than previous strains?

ML – It appears from the South African medical peoples’ comments to be more contagious and less harmful.

Dr. Angelique Coetzee, chairwoman of the South African Medical Association, affirmed Monday that while the omicron variant appears to spread more quickly than earlier strains, its symptoms appear to be less severe, meaning the new strain – while more infectious – might also prove less deadly than the delta strain, which is the most dominant COVID strain on the planet right now.

Omicron patients’ symptoms were “so different and so mild from those I had treated before.”

Patients infected with the new strain appear to be suffering more from fatigue, head and body aches and occasional sore throats and coughs. They also don’t exhibit symptoms like loss of taste and smell, like patients infected with delta and other variants have seen.

Others like the Israelis are saying that “have not found any severe COVID-19 cases among vaccinated people infected with the Omicron variant.” I suspect that also means very few unvaccinated people will have severe cases either, but of course no one is going to say that out loud where a health nazi might be listening.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 8:46 am

They’ve revoked the exemption for those that have got Covid.

Yep, just more evidence that this is a vax campaign, not a health campaign – ALL the usual reasons for not administering a medical treatment have been extinguished, including”

1) I refuse
2) I dont need it because i dont have the disease
3) I dont need it because I am already immune to the disease
4) I dont need it because I am pregnant and we dont give anything to pregnant women without serious thought
5) I cant take it because I have a life threatening allergy to it
6) I dont want it because the risk/benefit ratio is not in my favour/..

etc etc etc

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 8:47 am

The testing station is chock a block.

Closing for 50 cases, Opening for thousands.

Fucking Bat Eared Mong.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 8:50 am

Missus: Positive – (vaxxed). Lung situation getting worse, discussing with Doctor next steps.

Print the FLCCC protocol for reference…

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

And Vitamin I to top end of range …. 0.4-0.6 mg/kg

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 30, 2021 8:51 am

Neil Mitchell currently pulling Barton’s explanation of his amended bill apart.
Courts are too slow so we made up a drive through detention system.
The rights of a citizen to appeal to court for unjust detention is a trifle to be negotiated away.
Rod Barton is a man without integrity.

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 8:52 am

Print the FLCCC protocol for reference…

Thanks, unfortunately she’s only listening to Government advice….

Dot
Dot
November 30, 2021 8:52 am

just get vaccinated and wear your mask

There is no evidence that masks work. Infections have shot up even when they have tried to stop them and there is the famous paper from the early 1980s showing surgical masks aren’t effective in surgery.

ATAGI reports that the effectiveness of Pfizer is anywhere from 33% to 88% in real world data.

Now, we have a literal War on Christmas.

20 years ago I would have said was paranoid nonsense.

Now everyone can enjoy this. Happy, non offensive, non denominational.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tPsv00Caag

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 30, 2021 8:52 am

From Tom’s copy of Baxendale-
The amendments… Ombudsman… more oversight….. parliamentary review committee… power to recommend against pandemic orders… through a disallowance motion… then be required to pass both houses of parliament… independent detention appeal panel… Ombudsman able to receive complaints….
Yep, you’re f#cked, Victoria. A pandemic of Fascism, eternalized by a power grab, and sugared by parliamentary busy-work groups.
You’d better start off with massive civil disobedience, straight away.

Zatara
Zatara
November 30, 2021 8:53 am

MANDATE CAVE: White House Suspends Vaccine Mandate for Fed Employees

According to a memo issued by the Biden administration, the “White House’s Office of Management and Budget is telling federal agencies they should hold off on suspending or firing federal workers for not complying with the vaccine mandate until after the holidays.”

Yes, because as we all know, viruses that are crises all year go dormant over the Dec holiday period.

Or more likely, the administration knows the vaccines are BS, not worth losing a huge chunk of the federal workforce (who are unionized and quite happy to sue over it), and are using the holidays to kick the can down the road and save face.

“Only” 60% of Americans are fully vaccinated. If the same percentage holds true for federal workers, that’s four in ten who don’t meet Biden’s mandate. The federal government would have trouble functioning if 8% of them were suspended or fired. If that turned out to be 40%, the whole damn thing would shut down.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 8:55 am

Genuine thoughts on what’s happening to these football (soccer) players.
All are young, fit men with exhaustive medical data/histories.
Most have had the mRNA vaccines.
Most are travelling via plane frequently & many on long haul flights in quick succession for international fixtures.
Correlation isn’t causation, but maybe mRNA & regular flights don’t mix.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
November 30, 2021 8:56 am

By all accounts, omicron is fantastic news. It promises to render the pandemic an endemic pathogen of wholly mild proportions.

Yet, the media is pretending that this is a great escalation of the pandemic by which the most extreme measures imaginable must be brought it. One day the media will be held to account.

Franx
Franx
November 30, 2021 8:57 am

Construction noise, love it. But with good reason.
It kept me sane during the dead of lockdown to watch concrete being poured next door, until it all got too high and after more than three years is slowly getting to about level 30and more to go. Supposed to be about 40 but the developers seem to manage getting planning amendments to extend heights. Four levels of underground car park dug up, first, tons of ground driven away in trucks. The thump thump of whatever it is that pumps concrete uphill, the alimacs whirring away, and distant amplified strine calling for going up or down. The cranes are amazing, as well as the people in them, and the rapport with their red hard hats below the swinging loads is intriguing. I have watched but haven’t figured out how they manage to jump the cranes, though.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 8:59 am

Print the FLCCC protocol for reference…Thanks, unfortunately she’s only listening to Government advice….

Ack 🙁

Anything I can do? MB,BS. BMedSc (hons1) FANZCA

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 30, 2021 9:00 am

Construction noise, love it.

It’s the sound of wages, and of bills being paid.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 30, 2021 9:01 am

Blockquotes! Again!

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 9:02 am

there is the famous paper from the early 1980s showing surgical masks aren’t effective in surgery.

yep, I have this paper – it actually shows that masks DOUBLED the rate of surgical infection , but even then, the best they could conclude was ‘no evidence of benefit’

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 9:02 am

By all accounts, omicron is fantastic news. It promises to render the pandemic an endemic pathogen of wholly mild proportions.

It already was

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 30, 2021 9:04 am

Genuine thoughts on what’s happening to these football (soccer) players.
All are young, fit men with exhaustive medical data/histories.
Most have had the mRNA vaccines.
Most are travelling via plane frequently & many on long haul flights in quick succession for international fixtures.
Correlation isn’t causation, but maybe mRNA & regular flights don’t mix.

They are all dropping suddenly mid play, clutching their chests, so its an acute event, either a primary arrhythmia due to myocarditis, or a vascular event due to vasculitis

that … or ‘Im sure its nothing’

Dot
Dot
November 30, 2021 9:04 am

They’ve revoked the exemption for those that have got Covid.

Yep, just more evidence that this is a vax campaign, not a health campaign – ALL the usual reasons for not administering a medical treatment have been extinguished, including”

The ADF? The States? The Commonwealth?

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 9:07 am

They are all dropping suddenly mid play

That’s right.
And just like DVT, it’s what happened days before that causes the acute episode.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 30, 2021 9:08 am

Developing Story – Omicron Threat

Fully expected that.

How is it that anyone can give any credence to j’ismists on any topic.

People are wheeled onto their sets to sell their opinions, and the talking heads native to the set (like Kochie) have the single function as an intellectual governor – if they are still able to engage in conversation then the content is running at a low IQ level. If the conversation drifts upwards the talking heads get lost and the guest knows they have to lower the level.

The taking heads must be at their best in the lower 10% of their audience’s intelligence – bearing in mind that audience has only been up for a few hours and may only have had one coffee yet.

Audience members below the 10% are content to look at the pretty colours.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 30, 2021 9:10 am

Storm Arwen traps customers in Yorkshire Dales’ Tan Hill Inn for third night

Nobody does snow panic like the Poms. Unless it rains in Perth.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 30, 2021 9:10 am

bAgreed. I was going to say, if he wasn’t suited for the modern training establishment, he was most certainly not suited to the battlefield.

The failing, if there was one, was that he wasn’t identified and removed in a timely manner. Perhaps the system is now so soft that that’s not allowed either.

I’m going way back when – the 1970’s – but it was tacitly understood that one of the functions of recruit/basic training was to sort out those who would never make soldiers/sailors/airmen and send them home?

Zatara
Zatara
November 30, 2021 9:11 am

Most are travelling via plane frequently & many on long haul flights in quick succession for international fixtures.

Unless there is a similar string of aircrews being stricken it might be a stretch to consider that a factor. The aircrews fly much more often than athletes and are generally fairly fitness conscious as well, at least those who have to pass flight physicals are.

Dot
Dot
November 30, 2021 9:12 am

Storm Arwen traps customers in Yorkshire Dales’ Tan Hill Inn for third night

Yeah right. Trapped. Held hostage by 20 year old blonde Dutch, Irish and German barmaids who put Yvette Carte-Blanche to shame.

*You stupid woman! I was giving the poor girl CPR!*

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 30, 2021 9:12 am

“Only” 60% of Americans are fully vaccinated. If the same percentage holds true for federal workers, that’s four in ten who don’t meet Biden’s mandate. The federal government would have trouble functioning if 8% of them were suspended or fired. If that turned out to be 40%, the whole damn thing would shut down.

That is written as if the last sentence would be a problem.

Megan
Megan
November 30, 2021 9:13 am

Transport Matters Party MP Rod Barton will vote in favour of the bill, following 10 days of negotiations with the government which have resulted in them agreeing to six amendments.

Another bastard prepared to sell his soul. Another bastard who needs to be voted into oblivion at the next State Election – if we have one!

The Biggest Loser. He is one of the MLCs for our region and this will be his one and only claim to notoriety. And quite hopefully the last big mistake he will make as a Victoria politician (spit). There will be another email this morning calling out his 2 faced treachery in representing his constituency. You know, the actual people who voted for him. Which were not that many, IIRC!

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 30, 2021 9:14 am

They are all dropping suddenly mid play
Well, that sort of “diving” is normal for the round ball game… but they’re not taking their penalty kicks.
Very suspicious.

Vicki
Vicki
November 30, 2021 9:14 am

Flyingduk – thanks again for your info – which bears the hallmark of your expertise.

While most are feeling comfortable with the likelihood that this variant will prove more contagious but less virulent, epidemiologists like VanDen Bossche are still concerned about an ADE occurrence as in Marek’s disease. Of course, the media will not mention that, as it destroys the narrative of the Good Vaccines.

Incidentally, the Greg Mortimer cruise presented similar outcomes. Indeed, a respiratory physician, who treated me years ago, was on board as a passenger & found himself in a rather unique position. Despite being in close contact with all those who fell ill, he himself at no stage tested positive.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 9:14 am

Good point, zatara.
There has to be something in addition to the vaccines that is causing it.
I though air travel might be one.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 30, 2021 9:15 am

The Jack Dorsey resignation letter gaslights at a Joe Biden level.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 30, 2021 9:19 am

Thanks for the replies above.

I knew that viruses tend to become more benign overtime through attrition as the virus that spreads best must be the one that is less debilitating and the more dangerous antecedents are locked out by immunity that spreads faster than they – but there is always the chance that a mutation might allow it to buck the trend briefly before its subsequent mutation resumes the pattern.

People might need to start getting injected with the virus to help their bodies fend off the vaccines.

MatrixTransform
November 30, 2021 9:20 am

Fine
Take their side.

a few years back I had a young smarmy Irish prick knock on my door.
started selling me some old shite about Green Power.
I said no thanks

but he kept going with the lip and demanded, yep demanded, that I go get an electricity bill to show him
I said, you can fuck off now mate, and stepped down off the door-step to the portico
Credit the lad some cojones, he stepped up from the drive-way onto the portico.

I listened to his gibber and then said, mate, are you deaf or stupid?
‘the fuck of my property now

kid grumbled and backed up the drive-way and I watched him go like my old blue heeler used to watch the Turkish kid from up the road.

Irish had a parting shot from outside the fence … no need to be a dick about it.
I smiled and said … mate, you’ll be the one who looks like dick when you have your teeth knocked out.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 30, 2021 9:20 am

Six13 – West Side Chanukah Story | Presented by MJE

Superbly done effervescent 4 mins 57 secs

For Cat J@wish bloggers (as well as everyone else) – enjoy

Chanukah is the J@wish eight-day, wintertime “festival of lights,” celebrated with a nightly menorah lighting, special prayers and fried foods.. The Hebrew word Chanukah means “dedication,” and is thus named because it celebrates the rededication of the Holy Temple (as you’ll read below). Also spelled Hanukkah (or variations of that spelling)

MatrixTransform
November 30, 2021 9:22 am

Missus: Positive

all jokes aside.
hope your missus is ok

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 30, 2021 9:24 am

I never knew I needed to buy some Lego Technics.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 30, 2021 9:24 am

feelthebern at 7:54 am

The best thing a civilised society can do is get rid of saying nice things about people when they die.

I know where you are coming from. However, it is a social convention that avoids much unpleasantness. Death should be allowed to draw an end to things. I went to a mate’s fathers funeral where most of the speeches commenced, “He was a caring doctor but …”. In reality they were just describing many men of that era.

I think, on balance, it is reasonable.

MatrixTransform
November 30, 2021 9:25 am

20 years two years ago I would have said was paranoid nonsense.

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 9:25 am

It kept me sane during the dead of lockdown to watch concrete being poured next door

My Dad’s favourite entertainment while recovering from hip replacements was watching the construction site next door, conveniently 2 floors down from his. A lot of in depth commentary on the methodology and what they might do to improve efficiency! 🙂

Mater
November 30, 2021 9:25 am

I’m going way back when – the 1970’s – but it was tacitly understood that one of the functions of recruit/basic training was to sort out those who would never make soldiers/sailors/airmen and send them home?

Agreed, but that’s where bullying comes from. There are ways and means to train people hard, and remove the unsuitable ones, without leaving in the hands of their colleagues who don’t know where the boundaries start or finish. Additionally, it’s not up to the equally inexperienced classmates to determine who is, and isn’t suitable. That’s why there are qualified instructors.

I used to despise the jumped up little shits who thought they could judge their classmates suitability for the job, despite being equality ignorant of the requirements.

New recruiting methods give an unrealistic expectation to recruits. They find out that they won’t be playing touch football all day, and any attempt to dispel that myth, is supposedly bullying. They need to change the focus of recruiting from what the military can give them, and ask instead whether they’re tough enough to survive the military.

Pending that, they just need to be more willing to process more people out after reality hits.

RacerX
RacerX
November 30, 2021 9:35 am

“Genuine thoughts on what’s happening to these football (soccer) players.”

It’s not restricted to soccer players. Search on that popular video site ‘athletes everywhere collapsing’

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
November 30, 2021 9:41 am

If I had a hammer…

In Lakewood, a group of suspects ages 15 to 20 stormed a Home Depot store around 8:30 p.m. and grabbed tools such as crowbars, mallets and sledgehammers before getting away in vehicles that were waiting outside, FOX 11 of Los Angeles reported.

One entire section of hammers was completely cleared out, Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies told the station.

As many as 10 vehicles pulled up outside the store and the thieves donned ski masks before launching their spree, KCBS-TV of Los Angeles reported.

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 9:41 am

Rickw, are you giving the Mrs Vit I?

No, she refuses to contemplate doing anything other than what the Government doctors say.

rickw
rickw
November 30, 2021 9:45 am

‘Blow up’ Barton’s email/phone.

Done, his phone must be melting off the wall, took a lot of tries to get through and leave a message.

Don’t forget Google Reviews, currently 1 star and plummeting. People also smashing that.

Get on it!!!!!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 30, 2021 9:47 am

New recruiting methods give an unrealistic expectation to recruits.

“My Army gives me all the time I want with my children?”

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 30, 2021 9:51 am

To a looter with a hammer every shop looks like … well, a shop.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 30, 2021 9:51 am

My Army gives me all the time I want with my children

The Grey Funnel Line, back when I were young:
You’ll be wet, homesick and frightened …

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 30, 2021 9:53 am

“My Army gives me all the time I want with my children?”

Where’s Alan Fels?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 30, 2021 9:55 am

You’ll be wet, homesick and frightened …

Did pusser’s still promise rum, sodomy and the lash?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 30, 2021 9:57 am

A question to Rod Barton.
If courts are too slow to deal with detention, how many people do you think will be detained?
This is the residential tower provision. These turds want to be able to home arrest whole buildings and suburbs without legal redress.

  1. Janet Albrechtsen has a couple of articles in the Oz which are perfectly pointed at the bureaucracy which has grown…

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