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The Fall of Phaeton, Peter Paul Rubens, 1604

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JMH
JMH
December 1, 2021 7:16 pm

Anyone else just get an email from Amex promoting a Lizzo gig with her fat guts hanging out everywhere?

WTF? Is she back?

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 1, 2021 7:17 pm

C’mon Groogs. Call it. Don’t leave us hanging.

Chris
Chris
December 1, 2021 7:19 pm

I’ve got a Barbie doll one of the girls left here that is perfect for that scale, so you can tie her across the tracks.

(Quavery voice of Henry Crun) Stop that Min, it pleasures me not anymore!

calli
calli
December 1, 2021 7:22 pm

JC, it’s fascinating how all the stories have ebbed and flowed in a maelstrom of misinformation and conjecture.

I have zero expertise in this. Curiously, I just spent a couple of days with people who should have plenty of expertise due to their quals and professional experience. But I couldn’t get a rational answer from them either. And we discussed the lot because I’m an inquisitive bugger and love to hear other opinions, especially ones that challenge my own.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 7:25 pm

Calli

One other qualitative argument I’d put up against yours. I’d argue that the people who vaxxed up first in these nations in Africa and India (itself) would likely be those with better hygiene routines and more concern with individual well being than the rest of the population.

calli
calli
December 1, 2021 7:25 pm

Despite the abuse and threats on another thread, John H is a high value contributor here.

I don’t understand. I looked but couldn’t find. Was John H threatened? Why?

calli
calli
December 1, 2021 7:29 pm

Yes, JC. Was the vaccine rollout a freebie in those places? Or was payment expected. There has been a lot of handwringing about “vaccine inequality” right from the start.

It makes sense that the well-to-do in third world countries would get first dibs.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 7:29 pm

Calli

We know very little about this virus and I think this time around the so-called experts have not only slathered raw egg over their faces but they’ve done untold damage in other areas where calling in the experts has been the thing. Gerbil warming is a prime candidate.

The data has been fucking horrendous and every huge prediction has ended up as crap.

Covid has destroyed “expertology” and “expertologists”.

Cassie of Sydney
December 1, 2021 7:32 pm

“Covid has destroyed “expertology” and “expertologists”.”

Covid has also destroyed epidemiology.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 7:34 pm

I don’t understand. I looked but couldn’t find. Was John H threatened? Why?

The site’s thought leader told him to fuck off from his thread. I don’t think JohnH was groveling enough or showing eternal gratitude it had been posted. Same with John Brumble.

Cassie of Sydney
December 1, 2021 7:34 pm

I’m going into hospital on Monday morning…..despite being double jabbed I have to have a Covid test on Friday which shows negative before I’m admitted.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 1, 2021 7:35 pm

Another young athlete dies.

Aaron, in a very recent past I would have assumed the “sudden death” press release was code for suicide. Especially when every news story only quotes the press release and no independent analysis is done.
However the blizzard of obfuscation by the MSM about athletes dying make me immediately assume it’s a vaxx related death.
Happy to be proved wrong.

(PS have you seen the Key and Peel video Substitute Teacher
.“You done messed up, A-A-Ron! Go see Oh-Shag-Hennessy”)

rickw
rickw
December 1, 2021 7:37 pm

Covid has destroyed “expertology” and “expertologists”.

Except for our own Dr Flyingduk. Seems to have a great understanding. I would have bet money that I would test positive and he goes back to real world test on Ruby Princess and says that I wouldn’t and yep, I didn’t.

We shouldn’t think that there isn’t real understanding and expertise in this area. Just thus far that everyone claiming to be an expert is actually an idiot grifter.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 7:38 pm

You’re braver than me cass. I’m also supposed to go in for a botox shot to the gullet on Monday. Covid check on Saturday and isolation beginning Friday. Screw that. Also our kid is arriving from the US and she’s supposed to isolate too. Her arrival and isolation would invalidate mine, I think. WTF knows anymore.

Arky
December 1, 2021 7:39 pm

However the blizzard of obfuscation by the MSM about athletes dying make me immediately assume it’s a vaxx related death.
Happy to be proved wrong.

..
I was speaking to another cat tonight and said in twenty years of playing weekly sport I have never seen anyone go down clutching their chest. That’s something that would stick in your mind.
The idea that actual professional sportsmen have a high incidence of these issues might be true statistically, or not, but can you remember watching pro sport and seeing anyone ever go down with heart issues?

calli
calli
December 1, 2021 7:42 pm

In other news, the rain was so torrential on the Qld border that we decided to drive the 600km back rather than drown for yet another day.

Sunshine and hungry butcherbirds greeted us upon arrival. Nice to be wanted.

Baba
Baba
December 1, 2021 7:43 pm

If you’re look, you will find it. Omicron in Netherlands before South Africa.

Maybe the Jaapies are the victims of the vaxxed Euro’s?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 7:44 pm

Yet, there are people who profess the vax causes dangerous mutations and they’re actually using places not where the vaxes were in widespread use, but in the lowest. This defies any understanding of probability. It’s actually laughable propaganda.

And no word of a lie, as soon as news of Omicron surface, Teh Grauniad had an opinion column article up that declared the reason Omicron existed was due to vaccine apartheid.

Not enough of South Africans had been gene therapised, therefore it was whitey’s fault.

Vaccine equity or bust, Comrades…

Baba
Baba
December 1, 2021 7:44 pm

If you look ..

Arky
December 1, 2021 7:46 pm

Or take racing drivers.
Those blokes go around with their hearts pumping a million miles an hour.
Heart issues during a race would be fatal or at least spectacular.
I can think of maybe one in all the years of following rallying and MotoGP.
Somehow we’re all expected to believe heart blowups in otherwise healthy young men are normal.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 7:46 pm

The idea that actual professional sportsmen have a high incidence of these issues might be true statistically, or not, but can you remember watching pro sport and seeing anyone ever go down with heart issues?

Only when there was a juicy penalty in the offing…

Old bloke
Old bloke
December 1, 2021 7:49 pm

Indolent says:
December 1, 2021 at 5:32 pm

Federal Judge blocks Biden’s mandate for health care workers nationwide

American laws seem to be bearing up better than ours, which seems to be been simply swept away. Much of what is being done here is patently illegal.

They have a better justice system than we have but more importantly, they have a working federation.

Over here we have a “national cabinet” where the state and Federal leaders gather and establish an identical set of procedures and rules, there’s no dissension. In the USA the states are free to contest federal laws, and the state’s leaders don’t all sing from the same songbook.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 1, 2021 7:50 pm

Calli

How is the family visit going?

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 1, 2021 7:51 pm

The idea that actual professional sportsmen have a high incidence of these issues might be true statistically, or not, but can you remember watching pro sport and seeing anyone ever go down with heart issues?

Thinking about it, England batsman Ken Barrington had a heart attack at 40, while he was still playing, Wally Grout dropped dead from heart failure at 40, he was only retired 2 years, Hawthorn footballer John Kennedy had heart problems, from memory it caused his retirement at a fairly young age.
Plenty of professional 6 day cyclists have dropped dead, PED related.
Jim Fixx, he wrote The Joy Of Running, dropped dead at 52, while running.
I think the message is:
After about 35, don’t do anything to strain the Heart.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 1, 2021 7:55 pm

Rex A

And no word of a lie, as soon as news of Omicron surface, Teh Grauniad had an opinion column article up that declared the reason Omicron existed was due to vaccine apartheid.

Not enough of South Africans had been gene therapised, therefore it was whitey’s fault.

Vaccine equity or bust, Comrades…

We’ve got a couple of hundred million doses on order that I am prepared to support donating.

Cassie of Sydney
December 1, 2021 7:57 pm

“Also our kid is arriving from the US “

Nice JC…….very nice.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 7:59 pm

Believe all women.
Read this carefully and then consider that she identified him randomly while walking down the street and now she claims:

“The fact remains that 40 years ago, he became another young black man brutalised by our flawed legal system. I will forever be sorry for what was done to him.”

Hey, no fault of her own, it was the system.

FMD.

Alice Sebold, author of the hit novel The Lovely Bones, has apologised to a black man who spent 16 years in prison for her 1981 rape, only to see his conviction overturned last week.

“I want to say that I am truly sorry to Anthony Broadwater and I deeply regret what you have been through,” Sebold, whose breakthrough book Lucky described her traumatic assault at age 18, said in a statement.

“I am sorry most of all for the fact that the life you could have led was unjustly robbed from you, and I know that no apology can change what happened to you and never will.”
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Broadwater, 61, had always maintained his innocence but was convicted in 1982 of the rape and spent 16 years behind bars.

Shortly after his release, Lucky came out in 1999, a memoir in which Sebold described the brutal attack she suffered as a first-year student at Syracuse University in New York state. The Lovely Bones also dealt with the issue of sexual assault

Sebold, now 58, said she was “grateful that Mr Broadwater has finally been vindicated”.
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But she added: “The fact remains that 40 years ago, he became another young black man brutalised by our flawed legal system. I will forever be sorry for what was done to him.”

Five months after Sebold reported the rape to the police, Mr Broadwater was arrested after she passed him on the street and identified him as the possible attacker, US media said.

She failed to pick him out of a police line-up, but Mr Broadwater was tried anyway and convicted largely based on her account and hair analysis later found to be flawed.

“My goal in 1982 was justice — not to perpetuate injustice. And certainly not to forever, and irreparably, alter a young man’s life by the very crime that had altered mine,” Sebold wrote.

Mr Broadwater’s conviction was overturned last week in New York after a re-examination of the case found serious flaws in the prosecution at the time.

In her message to Mr Broadwater, Sebold said: “I hope most of all that you and your family will be granted the time and privacy to heal.”

Mr Broadwater has spoken out publicly of the stigma and isolation he suffered as a registered sex offender for almost four decades.

“On my two hands, I can count the people that allowed me to grace their homes and dinners, and I don’t get past 10,” he told The New York Times. “That’s very traumatic to me.”

She apologizes, but ascribes the fault elsewhere.

bespoke
bespoke
December 1, 2021 7:59 pm

John of Melsays:
December 1, 2021 at 7:01 pm

Putting condition on citizens to leave there own country sounds familiar.

calli
calli
December 1, 2021 7:59 pm

All over, BJ. We passed Boambee on the way back down and I thought of you.

This whole manufactured crisis has really done a lot of damage to people’s mental health and relationships. It’s almost like a PTSD for some.

Let’s just say we got the full range. 😀

Here’s Annie to soothe the trouble breast.

HD
HD
December 1, 2021 8:01 pm

Fat Tony says:
December 1, 2021 at 7:07 pm

People of Asian/Asian British ethnicity were more than twice as likely to become infected as their white counterparts.

” Xi’s… he won’t need so many Chinese at home. Or those Mongolians, or Vietnamese, or Japanese, or…”

But…in the U.K., “asian” is usually a reference to Indian, Pakistani…the like…people.

Has been suggested it’s all about Vitamin-D. That darker you are naturally, the more sunlight is required to make the same amount of Vitamin -D. D3 blood concentrations of greater than 47.5 ng/ml ( about 125 nmol/ml on your local blood test) are supposed to pretty much prevent the spike protein binding.

That simple huh!

Crossie
Crossie
December 1, 2021 8:03 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
December 1, 2021 at 7:32 pm
“Covid has destroyed “expertology” and “expertologists”.”

Covid has also destroyed epidemiology.

That was clear mid-lockdown last year but more and more as this drags on. Everything I learned during my school years and reading up on it later has been kicked aside to make room for “Science”. The power hungry bureaucrats have done it with the assistance of woke idiots who wanted to pose as the clever people.

The one person who has done the most to destroy epidemiology is Fauci. He went back on his original statement about masks being next to useless by doubling and tripling down in the other direction. Now nobody believes anything.

HD
HD
December 1, 2021 8:03 pm

nmol/L in Australia!

bespoke
bespoke
December 1, 2021 8:07 pm

Here’s Annie to soothe the trouble breast.

Is this a typo or an actual saying?

I’ve heard of trouble beast before.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 1, 2021 8:07 pm

She apologizes, but ascribes the fault elsewhere.

The likely story is that she was looking at cancellation.
Was the guy a criminal anyway?
If so, then the cops decided he belonged in jail and fitting himmup was easier than solving the case.

Cassie of Sydney
December 1, 2021 8:11 pm

“Twitter Announces INSANE New Censorship Not Even A DAY After Jack Dorsey”

Jack Dorsey is a creep, liar and all round weirdo but there’s that old saying…..”better the devil you know than the devil you don’t know”.

I think Twitter has lost a lot of its gloss. Its light is dimming and flickering and one day the light will go out. That day cannot come soon enough. Whilst there are conservatives and libertarians on the platform (and they are brave), it’s a platform heavily dominated by progressive leftists and thus it’s full of nasty, unhinged, embittered, vicious, violent, hypocritical and narcissistic progressive SCUM.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 8:12 pm

Dover

In a low vaxed population, who would you guess are the likely cause of the variants? The vaxed or the unvaxed. Also, you appear to be ignoring that almost no one was vaxed in India and yet you seem to be suggesting the probability was 50/50 vaxxed and unvassed. No it wasn’t.

Omicron was identified first in SA. Who knows were it originated.

It appears to be Africa on numbers, which is where most people believe it originated.

The virus is trying to spread across the population. Both vaxx and unvaxxed are carriers, vaxxed use a narrow line of defence.

If virus can break through even 60% of the vaxxed as has been suggested for Delta, then the variants are likely emerging with the unvaxxed as there’s more virus in this group.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 1, 2021 8:13 pm

That darker you are naturally, the more sunlight is required to make the same amount of Vitamin -D

Rangas Rule!

Zipster
Zipster
December 1, 2021 8:14 pm

Boarded-up storefronts and armed guards greet holiday shoppers in San Francisco’s Union Square in wake of mass robberies

the cost of woke

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 1, 2021 8:15 pm

Whilst there are conservatives and libertarians on the platform (and they are brave)

Okay, but let’s get down to tin tacks here, Cassie.
Are any of those conservatives and libertarians on Twitter, Gay?

twostix
twostix
December 1, 2021 8:15 pm

Covid has also destroyed epidemiology.

Climate change destroyed climate science too.

What’s next.

Crossie
Crossie
December 1, 2021 8:17 pm

it’s a platform heavily dominated by progressive leftists and thus it’s full of nasty, unhinged, embittered, vicious, violent, hypocritical and narcissistic progressive SCUM.

Cassie, you do have a way with words.

John H.
John H.
December 1, 2021 8:17 pm

Ed Casesays:
December 1, 2021 at 7:51 pm
The idea that actual professional sportsmen have a high incidence of these issues might be true statistically, or not, but can you remember watching pro sport and seeing anyone ever go down with heart issues?

Thinking about it, England batsman Ken Barrington had a heart attack at 40, while he was still playing, Wally Grout dropped dead from heart failure at 40, he was only retired 2 years, Hawthorn footballer John Kennedy had heart problems, from memory it caused his retirement at a fairly young age.
Plenty of professional 6 day cyclists have dropped dead, PED related.
Jim Fixx, he wrote The Joy Of Running, dropped dead at 52, while running.
I think the message is:
After about 35, don’t do anything to strain the Heart.

There has been a longstanding debate about the relationship between cardio issues and intense sport, especially endurance sports. Lots of problems sorting that out because of performance enhancing drug use increasing some types of cardiac issues. So I was pleased to note some months ago that Australia is conducting a study of endurance athletes to try and sort this out.

I’m not a fan of sustained endurance exercise because I believe, from only a common sense point of view, that sustained high physiological stress is a net negative. For resistance training many argue 45 minutes per session is enough rather than spending hours in the gym. A recent analysis even contradicted the long held view that one must always train to failure.

All those people doing so much intense training are not benefiting their overall health. They love it, either for the joy of the exercise or goal of winning. I get that. I don’t even like the 40 minute restriction I place on my workouts. People are entitled to those choices but I trust they are not deceived into thinking that huge amounts of time doing aerobic exercise and having bulging muscles are markers of optimum health.

Aaron
Aaron
December 1, 2021 8:17 pm

The Vax wars carry on, but how many in line for the magic bullet last year thought it a ticket to normality?

Boosters every three months might be a shock.

Welcome to the hotel Vaxifornia.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 8:18 pm

Are any of those conservatives and libertarians on Twitter, Gay?

Does it matter, Gypsum-snorter?

Crossie
Crossie
December 1, 2021 8:18 pm

twostix says:
December 1, 2021 at 8:15 pm
Covid has also destroyed epidemiology.
Climate change destroyed climate science too.

What’s next.

Economics as practiced by the Biden administration.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 1, 2021 8:18 pm

Jim Fixx, he wrote The Joy Of Running, dropped dead at 52, while running

Now there’s a book I certainly enjoyed reading.
I don’t think running caused his heart failure. Running probably extended his life by minimising a genetic heart condition.

calli
calli
December 1, 2021 8:20 pm

Musick has charms to sooth a savage breast
– Congreve

I took liberties with the quotation, although there was a little savagery much to my horror. But mostly troubles.

I think we might all be in that place from time to time. And that song does the trick.

Arky
December 1, 2021 8:21 pm

Running probably extended his life by minimising a genetic heart condition.

..
Bloke had bugger all body fat.
Like Bruce Lee.
Maybe going too low on the fat percent isn’t very healthy.

bespoke
bespoke
December 1, 2021 8:22 pm

Ok but you and savage breast will be forever linked.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 8:22 pm

Was the guy a criminal anyway?
If so, then the cops decided he belonged in jail and fitting himmup was easier than solving the case.

Wow, Grigory.

Less than a year ago, you were all over the death of Rayshard Brooks (who had disarmed a policeman who tried to sobriety test and cuff him of his taser, then tried to run, and then stopped and fired the taser at his pursuers, justifying the lethal force used against him) as a shining example of the perfidy and evil of those damned whitey policemen against a poor POC victim.

And now cravenly race-baiting.

Classy, Grigs. Just classy…

Cardimona
Cardimona
December 1, 2021 8:24 pm

Science Cats

Any thoughts on the Allam Cycle?
It’s currently being spruiked by a mob called Leta – Low Emissions Technology Australia.
https://www.letaustralia.com.au/latest-news/gamechanging-allam-cycle-technology-set-to-transform-australia-into-a-clean-energy-exporting-powerhouse/

Just more grifters, or what?

cohenite
December 1, 2021 8:26 pm

The fear, as I understand it, is that highly vaxxed but leaky communities may produce the opposite – a more deadly mutation.

They are 2 different things. Mutation requires a threshold of carriers. What % of the total population that is is moot. Mutation and virulence or lethality, not transmissibility, is another thing. Some viruses have mutated to a greater lethality – myoxma, zika, hep B – while their transmissibility has not increased or declined, ie SARS and MERS.

One thing for sure, the viruses are going to win.

Winston Smith
December 1, 2021 8:27 pm

The Marek Effect:
What Dover0Beach was speaking of above at 8:03 pm.
Perhaps that is what is intended – the vaccinated forcing a more virulent strain to emerge.
I can’t think of anything else to explain the hysteria from the Brahmin Class about getting everyone jabbed.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 1, 2021 8:29 pm

People are entitled to those choices but I trust they are not deceived into thinking that huge amounts of time doing aerobic exercise and having bulging muscles are markers of optimum health.

Sixties powerlifter Bill Starr remembered Isometrics, it was big in the middle 1960s, the US Olympic Swimmingt Team achieved good results with it, then PEDS came along and Isometrics went out the window.
Time Magazine also had an article on it, around 1968.
It would still work, in my opinion, the difficulty is finding a Power Rack with 2 inch spacing.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 8:31 pm

I think the message is:
After about 35, don’t do anything to strain the Heart.

I think the message is:

Never trust Grigory to provide anything approximating honest advice or analysis about everything.

Once again- Fuck off Grigory, before your lethal and malicious ineptitude gets some lurker killed.

Aaron
Aaron
December 1, 2021 8:32 pm

“I can’t think of anything else to explain the hysteria from the Brahmin Class about getting everyone jabbed.”

An inconvenient control group just won’t do.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 1, 2021 8:34 pm

John H
I’m not a fan of sustained endurance exercise

Dr Peter Herbert, a physiologist from the University of Wales Trinity Saint David has written encouragingly about High Intensity Interval Training, where less time and greater effort over short periods is most beneficial for VO2max, leg power, fat loss, muscle gain, greater testosterone levels, improved performance and greater general health benefits.

Dr. Doug McGuff (Body by Science) favours resistance training but also with a High Intensity Training focus for the best outcomes.

Now I’ve read and accepted the HIT regime, all I have to do is get off my lard arse and start.

HD
HD
December 1, 2021 8:34 pm

JC says:
December 1, 2021 at 8:12 pm

If virus can break through even 60% of the vaxxed as has been suggested for Delta, then the variants are likely emerging with the unvaxxed as there’s more virus in this group.

Don’t agree. I think “waltz” is a more accurate term versus “break”. The vaxxed are the ones with a innate immune response rendered disfunctional and in its’ place, piss poor grossly inefficient antibodies prone to ADE and promoting viral escape.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 1, 2021 8:36 pm

Cassie

it’s a platform heavily dominated by progressive leftists and thus it’s full of nasty, unhinged, embittered, vicious, violent, hypocritical and narcissistic progressive SCUM.

I might have missread the tone of your comment a bit. Is it fair to say that you would not wish to socialise with them? (Smiley Face)

custard
custard
December 1, 2021 8:37 pm

Cardimona

That site is big tech globalist writ large.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 1, 2021 8:38 pm

I don’t think running caused his heart failure. Running probably extended his life by minimising a genetic heart condition.

Disagree.
A genetic Heart condition won’t necessarily shorten life, provided the person avoids putting himself under stress, such as running a hundred miles a week.
52 is pretty young to die.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 1, 2021 8:38 pm

Twostix

Climate change destroyed climate science too.

The last refuge of Lysenkoism.

custard
custard
December 1, 2021 8:43 pm

When was the last time so many people protested on a scale currently being witnessed in our country?

From what I could see (using live video feed etc, Facebook) about 1000 people were on the steps of the WA parliament today.

Who can articulate what is happening.

Crossie
Crossie
December 1, 2021 8:47 pm

Welcome to the hotel Vaxifornia.

Everything has a soundtrack from the 70s.

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 8:47 pm

That reminds me I’m still waiting for my CM4 with openwrt to be delivered from Seed

have you played with MikroE ?

… thinking of getting some for proto

calli
calli
December 1, 2021 8:49 pm

That reminds me I’m still waiting for my CM4 with openwrt to be delivered from Seed
have you played with MikroE ?

… thinking of getting some for proto

Uh oh.

Something got through the “I am not a Robot” threshold.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 8:51 pm

They are 2 different things. Mutation requires a threshold of carriers. What % of the total population that is is moot.

Mutation, meaning what? That it can start either in the unvaxed or vaxed? That is true, but that isn’t the point. If variance can occur in either of these two groups then what is the probability it began in the (Indian) 2% vaxed group vs the 98% unvaxed. Surely you don’t believe the probability is equal.

John H.
John H.
December 1, 2021 8:52 pm

Old School Conservativesays:
December 1, 2021 at 8:34 pm
John H
I’m not a fan of sustained endurance exercise

Dr Peter Herbert, a physiologist from the University of Wales Trinity Saint David has written encouragingly about High Intensity Interval Training, where less time and greater effort over short periods is most beneficial for VO2max, leg power, fat loss, muscle gain, greater testosterone levels, improved performance and greater general health benefits.

Dr. Doug McGuff (Body by Science) favours resistance training but also with a High Intensity Training focus for the best outcomes.

Now I’ve read and accepted the HIT regime, all I have to do is get off my lard arse and start.

The trend was always biased towards sustained aerobic training but it is now recognised that resistance training confers many benefits. HIIT is great. When I was young I joked that the biggest beneficiaries of the aerobic craze will be orthopedic surgeons.

James Fixx? Didn’t he have atherosclerosis before he started the craze? If so I’m not surprised he dropped dead because once deposited it can be very difficult to eliminate those deposits.

Yeah, that probably is true. From Wiki.

Fixx started running in 1967 at age 35. He weighed 214 pounds (97 kg) and smoked two packs of cigarettes per day. Ten years later, when his book, The Complete Book of Running (which spent 11 weeks at No. 1 on The New York Times Best Seller list) was published, he was 60 pounds (27 kg) lighter and smoke-free. In his books and on television talk shows, he extolled the benefits of physical exercise and how it considerably increased the average life expectancy.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 1, 2021 8:53 pm

WA Police quietly lower fitness standards for recruits to only exclude the ‘shockingly unfit’
By Heather McNeill
December 1, 2021 — 6.00am

The fitness requirement for WA Police recruits has been lowered to a level which would only exclude the “shockingly unfit”, according to a trainer formerly contracted to assess the training modules.

Those wanting to join the 7,000-strong force must complete a series of physical tests, including an agility test, sit-up test, push-up test, grip strength test, lifting test and beep test.

However, in the past decade, the benchmarks for each have been progressively lowered.

The latest assessment requires candidates to be able to do one sit-up, 10 push-ups, carry a 35 kilogram bag 20 metres, grip 30 kilograms in each hand, complete an agility test, and record a beep test score of at least 6.1 for women, and 7.1 for men.

The agility tests, referred to as the Illinois agility test – which requires candidates to weave through markers – must be completed in 20 seconds (men) or 22 seconds (women). The new benchmark is an increase from 17 seconds and 18.9 seconds in previous years.

But the biggest drop was recorded in the beep test, which tests a person’s cardiovascular endurance by making them run between two points at a progressively faster pace.

Around a decade ago, the beep test required men to achieve a score of 10.1 and women 7.1. By 2020, the minimum was 8.1-10.1 for men and 6.1 – 7.1 for women, dependent on age.

It has recently dropped further to 7.1 for men (running 1.1km in 7:27) and 6.1 for women (running 980m in 6:22).

Matt Fuller, owner of Fuller Fitness, says the requirement lowered the fitness level to barely more than a jog during the test, with an active sportsperson typically reaching above 14 (2.7km in 14:51).

“For a sedentary person, 10.1 would be a little bit challenging, but anyone with a reasonable level of fitness would be able to attain that score quite comfortably,” he said.

“But the drop to the new standards is very low, you would have little to no fitness if you can’t do [6.1 or 7.1] … you’d have to be shockingly unfit.”

Mr Fuller, who conducted the training on behalf of WA Police during the height of the pandemic, said around one in every three people would fail the beep test prior to the recent drop.

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 8:53 pm

A trannie in a flannie.

consider that stolen
🙂

Indolent
Indolent
December 1, 2021 8:53 pm

I can’t think of anything else to explain the hysteria from the Brahmin Class about getting everyone jabbed.

You can bet your bottom dollar it isn’t concern for our health.

Did anyone read this item linked earlier by, I think, Struth. Ignore the dramatic title, the content of the article is actually far more alarming. Bearing in mind that Dr. Noack was a top expert in the field, his death after releasing such information was quite the coincidence.

MURDER! JUST HOURS AFTER PUBLISHING THE SECRET OF THE VAXX, DR NOACK IS DEAD

rickw
rickw
December 1, 2021 8:53 pm

Putting condition on citizens to leave there own country sounds familiar.

You can’t leave for everyones safety. Please step into this cattle car….

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 1, 2021 8:53 pm

Ed
Disagree.
A genetic Heart condition won’t necessarily shorten life, provided the person avoids putting himself under stress, such as running a hundred miles a week.

Wikipedia (yes I know) says that exercise physiologist Kenneth Cooper blamed all factors combining to shorten Fixx’s life.
* Genetically predisposed—his father died of a heart attack at 43 after a previous one at 35.
* Fixx himself had a congenitally enlarged heart
* He had previously led an unhealthy life: Fixx was a heavy smoker before beginning running at age 36, had a stressful occupation, had undergone a second divorce, and gained weight up to 214 pounds (97 kg).

Crossie
Crossie
December 1, 2021 8:55 pm

The Marek Effect:
What Dover0Beach was speaking of above at 8:03 pm.
Perhaps that is what is intended – the vaccinated forcing a more virulent strain to emerge.
I can’t think of anything else to explain the hysteria from the Brahmin Class about getting everyone jabbed.

Winston, would I be correct in saying that this is leading the virus to do your dirty work for you by becoming deadlier? No need for a lab when you make everyone a lab?

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 8:56 pm

pumpkin leaves for tonight’s dinner

these ones? … https://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/stuffed-zucchini-flowers

bespoke
bespoke
December 1, 2021 8:58 pm

have you played with MikroE ?

No. openwrt can run Docker so I can install home assistant and free up on of the Pi’s for a NVR, Matrix.

Just DDGO MikroE interesting. I’ve played a little with similar espn32, Arduino and such manly to with drones and know home automation.

Jorge
Jorge
December 1, 2021 9:02 pm

Veteran football reporter Caroline Wilson says she felt as if COVID-19 had taken control of her body as she lay sick and delirious in an apartment in Amsterdam earlier this month.

She was asked what treatment was given for people in her position.
“Two Panadol, go home and go to bed.”
Perhaps they’d been reading her columns.

Winston Smith
December 1, 2021 9:07 pm

Crossie:

Winston, would I be correct in saying that this is leading the virus to do your dirty work for you by becoming deadlier? No need for a lab when you make everyone a lab?

It appears to point in that direction.
Certainly it could be argued along these lines, but I’m no virologist.
I just put it up for discussion as it seems a plausible scenario.

Tom
Tom
December 1, 2021 9:08 pm

Great news! Sky News is spreading the task of covering the black hole left by Alan Jones’s sudden departure last month.

Rita Panahi was the obvious choice to fill Jones’s 8pm hour, which she has dione in recent weeks, but tonight we got Rowan Dean, who hosts the network’s top rating show on Sunday mornings, Outsiders.

Which leads me to believe we’ll soon get Rita back on Sunday morning instead of Shakepearean method actor fill-in Daisy Cousens, who’s constantly playing to the gods up the back in her loudest theatrical voice.

cohenite
December 1, 2021 9:11 pm

That is true, but that isn’t the point. If variance can occur in either of these two groups then what is the probability it began in the (Indian) 2% vaxed group vs the 98% unvaxed. Surely you don’t believe the probability is equal.

Vaccination seems to reduce the infection load. That is as important as the number of infected. 2% unvaccinated may compensate for that smaller % compared to the vaccinated % by carrying around much larger infection loads allowing mutations to occur in the 2%.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 1, 2021 9:14 pm

Sunshine and hungry butcherbirds greeted us upon arrival. Nice to be wanted.

If they’re anything like my lot, Calli, you’ll be wanted like a draught of cool water in a desert.
The local Cafe Bruce grey butcherbirds are working on their second family of the season and the female has started to arrive again, looking frazzled. Mr Butcherbird has also stepped up to a new level of keenness. They’re a lot of fun!

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 9:16 pm

Everybody remember the George Flloyd/Derek Chauvin case?

Did anyone remember the shooting of Rayshard Brooks shortly after? And that the Democrat DA went out of his way to fit up those nasty policemen?

And was anyone aware that the policemen involved have been reinstated and the DA responsible was voted out?

A trial is no doubt still pending, but even all the positive spin Wikipedia’s Digital Comrades can provide, fails to hide the bastardry of the enablers and exploiters of all the racial and social animosities in the US and wider Anglophosphere of late…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Rayshard_Brooks

Barry
Barry
December 1, 2021 9:17 pm

Cardimona says:
December 1, 2021 at 8:24 pm
Science Cats
Any thoughts on the Allam Cycle?

It’s not suitable as an electricity generation energy source, as it’s markedly less efficient than traditional gas fired boilers. It has applications in thermal plants – e.g. glass manufacturing or ammonia production.

It’s only viable if subsidised as a low emissions technology on the basis of its ability to compress and sequester the CO2 produced in the combustion phase.

So it uses up resources faster, is nonviable without subsidies, and sends vast quantities of highly compressed CO2 deep into the earths crust, where it will stay forever……. riiiight.

It’s a scam.

rickw
rickw
December 1, 2021 9:20 pm

“Two Panadol, go home and go to bed.”

A logical treatment regime for the worlds most deadly and dangerous virus…

Indolent
Indolent
December 1, 2021 9:23 pm

Vaccination seems to reduce the infection load. That is as important as the number of infected. 2% unvaccinated may compensate for that smaller % compared to the vaccinated % by carrying around much larger infection loads allowing mutations to occur in the 2%.

Quite the opposite, in fact. What they seem to be saying is that “vaccination” reduces the symptoms. Which means that it’s the vaccinated who can carry a much larger infection load, with the potential to infect everyone around them, without necessarily feeling seriously ill.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 9:24 pm

Vaccination seems to reduce the infection load. That is as important as the number of infected. 2% unvaccinated may compensate for that smaller % compared to the vaccinated % by carrying around much larger infection loads allowing mutations to occur in the 2%.

I was saying that the un-vaccinated in India at the time of the Delta variant coming on stream was 98% vs 2% vaxxed. I think you muddled it up, but concur with my point. Focus please.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 9:25 pm

The vaxxed. Just think about it. They’re providing the selective pressure.

Really, how so?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 1, 2021 9:26 pm

I think Twitter has lost a lot of its gloss.

I think you mean this Cassie:

Taibbi: Will Twitter Become An Ocean Of Suck? (30 Nov)

A: Yes.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 1, 2021 9:27 pm

‘I’ll throw you overboard’: Navy officer threatened bullied recruit, hearings told
Toby Crockford
By Toby Crockford
December 1, 2021 — 3.34pm

“Shut the f— up, get out of my office or I’ll break your other leg and throw you overboard.”

That was the official response when a young navy servicewoman went to a senior officer to report physical and emotional bullying.

The Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide has heard the tragic story of Teri Bailey, who took her life in December 2020 on the Gold Coast. It was her 25th birthday, five years after her chosen career ended in a dishonourable discharge.

Not alive to give evidence herself, Teri’s story was instead told by her sister, Alexandra, who broke down in tears several times during her testimony on day three of the hearings in Brisbane on Wednesday.

Teri enlisted in May 2014 when she was 18. Her sister described her as “athletic” and “kind”.

Alexandra said that two months after Teri enlisted, she dislocated her knee during her service.

This resulted in bullying from fellow sailors, who made her feel like she was weaker than the rest. She was accused of faking the injury and also labelled a malingerer. Sometimes, when standing in formation, other sailors would kick her injured knee from behind, or pinch or pull her hair.

Alexandra said Teri had surgery on her knee in Sydney, but after the operation woke up in a psychiatric ward, confused and frightened.

While recovering at her father’s home on the Gold Coast, Teri tried to kill herself.

Alexandra told the commission that during one of her stays in a military hospital, Teri claimed to have been sexually assaulted by another woman. Teri gave few further details about this.

“You don’t understand what it’s like. You can’t report these things. Nobody takes it seriously,” Alexandra recalled being told by her sister, when she urged her to report the incident.

Teri rushed the recovery from her first knee injury in an attempt to stop the bullying. As a result, she re-injured the same knee twice more during her service.

In June 2015, she disappeared while staying with her grandparents in Sydney, prompting the Australian Defence Force to contact her family and demand to know her whereabouts.

After two days, Alexandra found out that her sister had again gone to stay with her father in Queensland, but she didn’t want the ADF to know.

“She was terrified. She was distressed. She couldn’t understand why she was being treated like a criminal when she had injured her knee and been told she would likely never run again. So why were the ADF wanting her to come back?” Alexandra told the royal commission.

While she was AWOL, Teri tried to kill herself again, then in October 2015, she was dishonourably discharged.

Five years later, Teri did take her own life.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 9:29 pm

Variations are random, the question is about their selection in a population.

So is flipping a coin and coming up heads. Randomness doesn’t change probability.

JC, the rate of infection is higher in vaxxed group in UK.

This could be for a host of reasons. But again, it doesn’t change the probability of the group where Delta and Om originated. For that matter, where’s the British “delta” the American one or even the Australian variant?

Cassie of Sydney
December 1, 2021 9:33 pm

Christian Porter’s political career is over and he’s been hounded out of parliament because of the ludicrous ravings of a demented woman who took her own life and whose ludicrous ravings were used by a monstrous regimen of very entitled and progressive South Australian women for political point scoring……to destroy the man and bring down a Liberal government. And what did Scumbag Morrison do? He fell for it hook line and sinker.

Meanwhile, in federal parliament, a sitting Labor MP with an allegation against him sits unhindered yet the woman who made the allegation against him is alive and well and has never withdrawn her allegation. Note that she’s never been given airtime on their ABC.

You could not make this up.

For the record, I don’t like Porter but that’s irrelevant. The whole allegation against him was bullshit and stank to high heaven. As for the Labor MP, I don’t know whether the allegation against him is true or not….but that’s not the point. The point is the utter hypocrisy of the left, the MSM, social media sewers and Scumbag Morrison.

The whole thing is a disgrace. Scumbag Morrison refuses to stand by his own. Therefore there’s no reason for Liberal voters to stand by Scumbag Morrison.

Bluey
Bluey
December 1, 2021 9:39 pm

https://twitter.com/Voice4Victoria/status/1465947454914711552

Wasn’t going to comment but WOW. Foley just called Southwick a neo-nazi. Southwich is a very proud member of the Jewish community. He lost his shit until Foley retracted it. That’s pretty foul politics.

From someone watching the debates over the pandemic bill. Guarantee it’s not going o get any airtime.

John Brumble
John Brumble
December 1, 2021 9:39 pm

JC- Sry. I should have been clearer. That was what the last rambling bit was about- that I wasn’t really sure you disagreed.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 9:40 pm

Okay, no probs , John B.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 1, 2021 9:41 pm

“Shut the f— up, get out of my office or I’ll break your other leg and throw you overboard.”

That was the official response when a young navy servicewoman went to a senior officer to report physical and emotional bullying.

It’s a bit cute.
Was this angry Officer Female?
I’m guessing “Big Yes”.
Also wondering how many girls brought up by their mother join the Navy.
I’m guessing “Heaps”.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
December 1, 2021 9:42 pm

I wasn’t aware the ADF gave out dishonourable discharges. Things must have changed since my time.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 1, 2021 9:44 pm

I wasn’t aware the ADF gave out dishonourable discharges. Things must have changed since my time.

“Services No Longer Required?”

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 1, 2021 9:49 pm

The whole thing is a disgrace. Scumbag Morrison refuses to stand by his own. Therefore there’s no reason for Liberal voters to stand by Scumbag Morrison.

You;’re not making any sense there.
Porter couldn’t continue as A/G since he was taking the ABC to Court.
Scotty shifted him to a Portfolio of equal standing.
Later Porter resigned rather than disclose the identities of Donors to the Trust that paid his Legal Costs.
Tony Smith said the other day that as Speaker he would’ve referred Porter to the Privileges Committee over that, had he the power to.
So, Porter was the author of his own misfortune, though he did announce his Retirement gracefully.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 9:50 pm

It’s a bit cute.
Was this angry Officer Female?
I’m guessing “Big Yes”.
Also wondering how many girls brought up by their mother join the Navy.
I’m guessing “Heaps”.

How about we check your CCTV footage, Grigory?

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 9:51 pm

And?

“And” to this:

Where it originates is beside the point as variations are random.

Again.. 98 people are unvaxxed and 2 are vaxxed. For the sake of argument both groups are equally susceptible, which group is likely to get hit first? So its origination is not beside the point.

Most certainly it isn’t beside the point when the two variants we’re concerned with emerged from low vax populations.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
December 1, 2021 9:56 pm

Old School Conservative,
I think when they say someone has a genetic enlarged heart they are talking of the Aorta, which can blow up a few times as big as it’s recommended size before it goes pop.
A number of athletes I know of died from this. It is by definition a heart attack. No symptoms and unless you get help within minutes you are dead.
I was fortunate enough to have mine discovered a few years ago. To correct it I was eight hours on the slab. I’m a member of the zipper club.
The first two or three weeks recovering were the most painful.

cohenite
December 1, 2021 9:59 pm

Rex Angersays:
December 1, 2021 at 9:16 pm
Everybody remember the George Flloyd/Derek Chauvin case?

Did anyone remember the shooting of Rayshard Brooks shortly after? And that the Democrat DA went out of his way to fit up those nasty policemen?

Every fucking time the left use these things to further their narrative.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 10:05 pm

Porter couldn’t continue as A/G since he was taking the ABC to Court.

Wut?

Try to think before you troll, Grigory.

The crippling pain and the crunching, screeching, grinding of the gears trying and failing to mesh should be quite sufficent to dissuade you from going any further…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 10:07 pm

Later Porter resigned rather than disclose the identities of Donors to the Trust that paid his Legal Costs.

Does this matter Grigory?

I do hope you are charging a decent, At-or-Above-Award rate for the ALP’s hard left factioneers to use you as a meat-sockpuppet.

And that the staffer involved washes their hand thoroughly afterwards…

Cassie of Sydney
December 1, 2021 10:08 pm

“So, Porter was the author of his own misfortune,”

I think it’s past your bed time Dick Ed.

JC
JC
December 1, 2021 10:09 pm

Of course

Identity Politics Is Taking Over Astronomy
Now even astronomy has to be intersectional.

Astro 2020 is the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) outline of astronomy’s top priorities for the next ten years. Astro 2020 thinks the search for diversity is as important as the search for extraterrestrial life, and it dutifully recites the importance of “specific steps that the agencies can take towards increasing diversity, equity and sustainability.” The panelists who contributed to the report paste the party line onto astronomy’s actual subject matter: “I’m excited to see that there is a strong focus on building an astronomy and astrophysics workforce that is diverse, inclusive, and equitable in the report. I am looking forward to seeing how the exoplanet field evolves as we work toward the goals outlined in ‘Pathways to Habitable Worlds’ scientific priority area.”

cohenite
December 1, 2021 10:09 pm

Quite the opposite, in fact. What they seem to be saying is that “vaccination” reduces the symptoms. Which means that it’s the vaccinated who can carry a much larger infection load, with the potential to infect everyone around them, without necessarily feeling seriously ill.

No. After a some more research it appears that there is no difference in viral load between unvaccinated and vaccinated people. I’ll let head prefect continue counting his fingers now.

PeterW
PeterW
December 1, 2021 10:11 pm

Any farmer worth the name, now knows that over-use of a single product is the quickest way to produce resistant varieties of whatever it is that you are trying to control.

It has always been stupid to vaccinate those at very low risk of an adverse c19 outcome.

Keep in mind the difference between how such varieties originate – which is random – and how over-use of the vaccine selects for vaccine-resistant varieties in the most heavily-treated populations.

Zipster
Zipster
December 1, 2021 10:16 pm
MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 10:24 pm

Just DDGO MikroE interesting

there’s a twin click shield for AVR
so the little buggers will live in top of Arduino
plug’n’play

been looking at Carbon Monoxide and long range low power radio
for about $100 could make a widget battery powered

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 10:34 pm

ps: i am a robot
my parents were both Cobol based life forms
and my nanna was a Babbage machine

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 1, 2021 10:39 pm

and my nanna was a Babbage machine

Considering the Babbage machine was invented in 1822, you must be getting quite long in the tooth…

Zipster
Zipster
December 1, 2021 10:42 pm

I’m excited to see that there is a strong focus on building an astronomy and astrophysics workforce that is diverse, inclusive, and equitable in the report.

these people are dumber than dogshit

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
December 1, 2021 10:42 pm

The Met Police will get new training in spotting the signs of child abuse linked to a belief in witchcraft.

“Cases are often missed or misdiagnosed,” he said. “Practitioners may not recognise the risk of harm involved, chalking up these accusations to mental health problems or delusion.

Dr Naomi Richman, from the University of Cambridge, said the aim was to provide tools “to navigate cultural and religious sensitivities” while “steering clear from negative and damaging stereotypes”.
She said: “Efforts are needed to break down the stigma in beliefs in witchcraft and possession, as these are common to so many cultures around the world and are rarely used to justify harm.”

The scheme is a collaboration between the Met and the London Borough of Redbridge, Chester and Cambridge universities, and Barnardo’s National Female Genital Mutilation Centre

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 10:44 pm

you must be getting quite long in the tooth…

sorry.
my Great-grandad was a Babbage Engine
My Nanna was a radar dome

she loves me: she loves me not
… the missus bought me a Laphroig today

*excellent behaviour

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 10:47 pm

and my nanna was a Babbage machine

I’d make a joke about being hand-cranked, but after that story about the serial masturbator in Darwin, I fear I’d get my card punched…

#FORTRANsLivesMatter

Zipster
Zipster
December 1, 2021 10:47 pm

Which leads me to believe we’ll soon get Rita back on Sunday morning instead of Shakepearean method actor fill-in Daisy Cousens, who’s constantly playing to the gods up the back in her loudest theatrical voice.

what’s everyone got against Daisy? come one man, she’s a woman.

Gabor
Gabor
December 1, 2021 10:50 pm

spear design begin to favour heavier spears or spearheads that can pierce chainmail

just to pick nits, chainmail is useful against slashing blows but easily penetrated by stabbing by any pointed weapon.

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 10:51 pm

#FORTRANsLivesMatter

I remember 1981 as whole stacks of fail

Siltstone
Siltstone
December 1, 2021 10:52 pm

Peter W:
Any farmer worth the name, now knows that over-use of a single product is the quickest way to produce resistant varieties of whatever it is that you are trying to control.

How do you promote resistence to antibiotics? Use them indescrimately.

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 10:56 pm

How do you promote resistence to antibiotics? Use them indescrimately.

same thing for Post-Modern thought and common sense

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 10:58 pm

chainmail is useful against slashing blows but easily penetrated by stabbing by any pointed weapon.

So, useless for vaccinations, then… 🙁

John of Mel
John of Mel
December 1, 2021 10:58 pm

the missus bought me a Laphroig today

Is this some strong Whiskey brand?
🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 1, 2021 11:01 pm

Is this some strong Whiskey brand?

Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do…….Laphroig is one of the finest single malt Scotch whiskys ever distilled..

John of Mel
John of Mel
December 1, 2021 11:03 pm

Laphroig is one of the finest single malt Scotch whiskys ever distilled

Haha. I was right without even knowing it.
The Tottori is my drink tonight. Nothing extraordinary, but does the job.

John H.
John H.
December 1, 2021 11:05 pm

cohenitesays:
December 1, 2021 at 10:09 pm
Quite the opposite, in fact. What they seem to be saying is that “vaccination” reduces the symptoms. Which means that it’s the vaccinated who can carry a much larger infection load, with the potential to infect everyone around them, without necessarily feeling seriously ill.

No. After a some more research it appears that there is no difference in viral load between unvaccinated and vaccinated people. I’ll let head prefect continue counting his fingers now.

Cohenite the problem I have with that is it seems incongruent with what we know about infections generally. The difference might be in the period of time for carrying the same viral load. As in …

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
Interpretation
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

This is not impressive, I was expecting a more positive impact of the vax:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated#Vaccination-helps-people-clear-virus-more-quickly

According to the analysis, 25 percent of vaccinated contacts exposed to a household member with an infection contracted one themselves.

In contrast, 38 percent of unvaccinated contacts got an infection.

Caught this in the search string:

COVID-19 stigmatising the unvaccinated is not justified

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 1, 2021 11:08 pm

The Tottori is my drink tonight. Nothing extraordinary, but does the job.

Japanese whiskey, Irish whiskey and bourbon all share a common trait – the bottle should be marked with a skull and crossbones, and endorsed “Not Fit For Human Consumption.”

John H.
John H.
December 1, 2021 11:13 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
December 1, 2021 at 10:51 pm
#FORTRANsLivesMatter

I remember 1981 as whole stacks of fail

I remember a stack overflow message when I tried to tweak a program ini file. Really dumb thing to do because files were corrupted. Fortunately had stuff backed up.

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 11:14 pm

The Tottori is my drink tonight

bloody hell … another frontier !

righto, tried to purchase some but foiled because they had the ‘I am not a robot’ thing

Zatara
Zatara
December 1, 2021 11:17 pm

Jim Fixx, he wrote The Joy Of Running, dropped dead at 52, while running

IIRC Fixx was badly overweight and a 2 pack per day smoker until he was 36. So that may not be as surprising as it seems.

John of Mel
John of Mel
December 1, 2021 11:18 pm

Japanese whiskey, Irish whiskey and bourbon all share a common trait – the bottle should be marked with a skull and crossbones, and endorsed “Not Fit For Human Consumption.”

I was raised on vodka instead of mother’s milk. So, whatever has a skull and crossbones is my drink of choice (insert evil laugh here)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 1, 2021 11:23 pm

James D Hornfischer’s book “Ship Of Ghosts” is a very good account of the war service of the American heavy cruiser U.S.S. Houston, and the suffering of the survivors of that sinking, in Japanese POW Camps.

One group of P.O.W’s extracted a subtle revenge. Ordered to heat water, on a regular basis, for their Japanese guards to bathe, they p!ssed in the bath water……

srr
srr
December 1, 2021 11:25 pm

Indolentsays:
December 1, 2021 at 6:03 pm

I’m not sure if this has been posted yet, but just look at that crowd!

Zagreb, Croatia People are chanting We are not giving you our children!

It doesn’t matter, those who worship man’s science will take them anyway, because that’s always what happens when the unholy war against God –

kaysee says:
December 1, 2021 at 4:36 pm
From the UK

Minimum dose interval for booster jabs to be halved from 6 months to 3 months and all adults to be offered booster Covid vaccine, Health Secretary Sajid Javid confirms

Booster jab every 3 months.

For the rest of your life?

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 11:25 pm

Fortunately had stuff backed up

mimeograph?

Cardimona
Cardimona
December 1, 2021 11:28 pm

Barry, thanks for the response on the Allam Cycle.
Much appreciated.

John H.
John H.
December 1, 2021 11:28 pm

Zatarasays:
December 1, 2021 at 11:17 pm
Jim Fixx, he wrote The Joy Of Running, dropped dead at 52, while running

IIRC Fixx was badly overweight and a 2 pack per day smoker until he was 36. So that may not be as surprising as it seems.

The joy of running. Perhaps he substituted one addiction for the other ….

Exercise increases the body’s own ‘cannabis’ which reduces chronic inflammation, says new study

I often wondered how exercise reduces chronic inflammation when it increases transient inflammation. The endocannabinoid system is a primary inhibitor of inflammation and declines with age. The omega 3 fatty acid, DHA, is an important substrate for the production of our cannabinoids and omega 3 deficiency is not uncommon. A recent study even claimed that omega 3 concentrations in the blood are as good a predictor of mortality from any cause as smoking,

It can’t be that simple but it does tie up with a number of other health related issues.

John H.
John H.
December 1, 2021 11:30 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
December 1, 2021 at 11:25 pm
Fortunately had stuff backed up

mimeograph?

Not 1981, more late 90’s.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 1, 2021 11:31 pm

When was the last time so many people protested on a scale currently being witnessed in our country?

And, more pertinently….. All ‘never protested in my lifers’

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 1, 2021 11:33 pm

Laphroig is one of the finest single malt Scotch whiskys ever distilled..

FACTCHECK: True

I bought my first bottle by accident at Heathrow in 1985 for 20 Quid

Its a smokey drop, perfect for maudlin occasions like wakes

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 11:37 pm

At the expense of inducing much horror and chagrin amongst more discerning whiskey drinkers than I (much like the first time I invited people to have a workplace Christmas lunch at IKEA in Perth. The looks on some of the North-of-the-Rover folk were glorious… 😀 ), the Highland Earl blended whiskey from ALDI is a mightily fine and very smooth drop.And only $26 a bottle.

Try some. It’s nowhere near as much a shock to the system as IKEA horsemeat balls for a ‘fancy’ lunch prior to Christmas holiday…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 1, 2021 11:38 pm

And only $26 a bottle

Sorry for the mislead, Cats.

Presently $33 due to supply chain shenaniganry. BUT, it is almost as good as a good Limeburners or Whipper Snapper tipple at 1/10 and 1/3 the cost, respectively.

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 1, 2021 11:49 pm

Laphroig is one of the finest single malt Scotch whiskys ever distilled.

You’re only saying that because master assassin Jonathan Hemlock drinks it.

MatrixTransform
December 1, 2021 11:56 pm

Jonathan Hemlock drinks it.

is that the same John Hemlock that designed mosquito coils ?

the devious bastard

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 2, 2021 12:08 am

You’re only saying that because master assassin Jonathan Hemlock drinks it.

Sorry, which State does he represent for the Greens?

HD
HD
December 2, 2021 12:27 am

cohenite says:
December 1, 2021 at 10:09 pm

Quite the opposite, in fact. What they seem to be saying is that “vaccination” reduces the symptoms. Which means that it’s the vaccinated who can carry a much larger infection load, with the potential to infect everyone around them, without necessarily feeling seriously ill.

No. After a some more research it appears that there is no difference in viral load between unvaccinated and vaccinated people.

1) Did everybody forget this one?

A direct comparison on the “effectiveness” of AZ can’t be draw given the health care workers who tested positive with the Alpha and then again with Delta later on – as they were not jabbed pre Alpha.

But, the viral load is 251 times higher on “re-infection” post jabbing? “…7-8 weeks after the second dose…Most were asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic and all recovered.”

So what does that actually mean? Eight weeks on, post AZ dose 2, “all recovered” yet pumping out virus like never before. How can somebody be “recovered” if they are still pumping out virus?

Median time from diagnosis to negative PCR was 21 days (range 8–33).

It is not clear at what point in the median time the “recovered” bit applies. The overwhelming majority of unjabbed people will not even realise the bug has been encountered. The vast majority of the those will in the event the virus ever makes it in and replicates, be shedding for perhaps a few days to less than a week. The overwhelming majority of the population (previously) having an excellent innate response and cross reactive memory cell lines that are scaled up rapidly.

2) I am really over the idiocy of testing everybody. Healthy people that is. Just because there may be bits of corona stuck in somebody’s nose is meaningless.

The left over dead shit from a failed colonisation in the vast majority of people. Amp up those PCR cycles and next thing, perhaps in Victoria soon should Chairman Dan get his way, you’re off to some camp for at least a couple of weeks, along with anyone else you ran into in the last so many days.

Recall this? Is there actually a date on which these highly reliable and accurate testing methods are discontinued locally?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
December 2, 2021 1:00 am

The true whiskey aficionado can’t go past a four litre plastic flagon of Suntory Red – only $30.

Mmmm, delicious.
#facedowninthesnow

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 2, 2021 1:16 am

The true whiskey aficionado can’t go past a four litre plastic flagon of Suntory Red – only $30.
Mmmm, delicious.
#facedowninthesnow

Alcohol poisoning never looked so… err… Cost effective? 🙁

Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
December 2, 2021 4:15 am
bespoke
bespoke
December 2, 2021 4:53 am

calli’s savage breast thanks you Tom.

rosie
rosie
December 2, 2021 5:22 am

‘Victorian scientists and manufacturers have created Australia’s first mRNA COVID-19 vaccine candidate – Australia’s first ever mRNA drug product – in just five months, enabling clinical trials to begin in the new year.

450 doses of the COVID-19 vaccine candidate have been produced in Boronia, enabling 124 people to take part in Phase 1 clinical trials run by the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity (Doherty Institute) – a joint venture partnership between the University of Melbourne and the Royal Melbourne Hospital.’
Victoria makes Australia’s first mrna vaccine

srr
srr
December 2, 2021 5:23 am

Cuomo Suspended INDEFINITELY By CNN After Reports Emerge He Stalked Victims Of His Brother, Andrew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLw9Sxv2vFs

Timcast IRL
1.17M subscribers
Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia join Daily Wire host and commentator Matt Walsh to discuss the downfall of the Cuomo brothers in the wake of emerging evidence that Chris Cuomo ran cover on CNN for his brother’s scandal.

rosie
rosie
December 2, 2021 5:28 am

Is forced vaccination of Aboriginal people in the NT yesterday’s news?

more on Howard Springs escapees.

rosie
rosie
December 2, 2021 5:36 am
Mater
December 2, 2021 6:15 am
will
will
December 2, 2021 6:31 am
Anchor What
Anchor What
December 2, 2021 6:32 am

New candidate for French president, Zemmour, makes a strong speech and say what many of us think about our own country, in fact most of the weakened west. He’s proud of France’s heritage. He wants to rebuild the culture. He’s not impressed with the ceding of sovereignty to the EU.
It’s well worth reading and you can find it at Powerline blog.
link

will
will
December 2, 2021 6:32 am
Anchor What
Anchor What
December 2, 2021 6:37 am

Some good comments there too.

Cassie of Sydney
December 2, 2021 6:43 am

“New candidate for French president, Zemmour, “

I like Zemmour. On most things he’s 100% right. He’s also a provocateur. Funny how it might take a Jew to save France….however I doubt that will happen because the left will side with the Islamists and France will descend into civil war.

Houellebecq’s scenario in Submission will then play out.

jupes
jupes
December 2, 2021 6:46 am

Anyone…anyone…who goes overseas must expect to get it, vaxxed or not. Only an idiot would assume that the vax will protect them in any way shape or form.

Well. Here I am in Croatia. I have my darling wife and her son with me. He lost his job in Australia due to rejecting the vax and has emigrated to Poland. We are in Croatia because I finished my job in France and had to leave the shengen zone due to overstaying the allowed time. Therefore, we had to find a country that is both outside the shengen zone and accepts the non-vaccinated. Croatia it is. Lovely and interesting country with nice people and we intend to return at some point.

Anyhoo, my step-son is quite ill at the moment with a respiratory infection (cue the spooky music). We are currently staying at an inland resort in separate chalets but spent three days with him in Dubrovnic, then a few hours in a car together getting here.

I have been fully vaccinated for two months and my darling wife for just over one month. If the young fella does have the ‘Rona, then I believe the vaccines are at the most efficacious for the darling wife right now and to a slightly lesser extent me … I’m hoping they will protect us. Time will tell.

jupes
jupes
December 2, 2021 6:51 am

BTW have been discovering some really nice Croatian wines. Dingac red is superb.

struth
struth
December 2, 2021 6:57 am

Quite hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
When JC gets challenged on his long years of supporting trade with China, based on his ultra simplistic views that they can produce cheaper (without feeling the need to question why), his only defense is to claim that anyone who bought anything Chinese has no right to challenge him on his position.
So I baited him and claimed I didn’t buy Chinese, so he then screamed “You couldn’t help but buy Chinese, everything is from China!”
Exactly.
Because fuck heads like you thought it was a good idea.
Until all environmental restrictions placed on the west were removed by the UN so a level playing field could have been achieved (which was not applied to China) we should not have traded with them at all.
Look at the mess we are now in for doing so.
You’re losing it JC.
And don’t you dare call anyone stupid since you’ve taken the vaxx of death.
How free are you, flashing your “good Nazi” pass around?

Then choo choo man, all butt hurt as usual, claims I was still working in vaccine mandated Queensland.
Funny that.
Queensland isn’t mandated until the middle of this month, whereupon I will not be working yet again.

And for all the vaxxed now calling for “don’t blame each other, that’s exactly what they want us to do” I say this.
Your submission to tyranny will put me and mine in a quarantine camp.
Should I be polite to you?
Not angry?
Remain united with you.
What do you offer?
What plus is there?
Look someone like Mater who waited until everyone else capitulated , or some women who lacked strong men around them, etc…I understand it’s hard.
But your actions have consequences.
Thank you for helping tyrants get the numbers up, so as to put those of us standing our ground in concentration camps.

In the real world, out at Rallies and within our local community there are many vaxxed that are fighting back, and I am united with them.
But they weren’t cats.
They never had anyone on the right pointing out exactly what was going on, that they then chose to ignore and ridicule.
That you own.
For people here were screaming about the dangers of taking the vaxx let alone the situation that it would empower tyrants to then put in place, a digital social credit system.
However, JC wanted to got to New York and, as much as I like Lizzie, she wanted to go on holidays.
And they took their jabs early on in the piece, and now want us all to play nicely with them, when their actions have deadly consequences for others.
These are just facts.
Hard times, and wars, bring out the best and the worst in people.
What would Jesus have done?

struth
struth
December 2, 2021 7:00 am

Before 2020
“there’s a bloody bad flu going around this year”
End of story.

rosie
rosie
December 2, 2021 7:12 am

Many people might think ‘French Trump’ is a compliment.

France 24 quite indignant that the ‘French Trump’ used some of their images

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 2, 2021 7:12 am

ROFL.

Christie rips Trump for not delivering | Power Line (30 Nov)

I’m not a fan of Chris Christie, but he’s a world-class hatchet man. His current target is Donald Trump.

Why? Maybe because Trump didn’t elevate him while president (probably due to the fact that Christie successfully prosecuted Jared Kushner’s crooked father). Maybe so Christie can boost sales of his book.

ROFLMAO!

Nolte: First of Chris Christie Two-Book Deal Bombs with Only 2,289 Copies Sold (1 Dec)

Karma can be so much fun.

rosie
rosie
December 2, 2021 7:13 am

Off you go then.

jupes
jupes
December 2, 2021 7:14 am

Also BTW: I was living in a house with four other blokes in France when two blokes caught the ‘Rona. The diseased pair were triple vaxxed and double vaxxed. The three who missed out were double vaxxed, single vaxxed and not vaxxed.

struth
struth
December 2, 2021 7:17 am

And while we are talking about smarts, I know many here, could not see through the bluster (caused by a lack of real confidence) by Frank, and considered him a smart man.
Has he killed himself being smarter than the rest of us, definitely smarter than Queensland rednecks still alive and with nothing to feel ashamed of?

It’s about time those terrible cats, who unlike most in the community, had the common sense reality of our situation presented to them time and time again, over the last two years, and who decided to ignore and ridicule the bleeding obvious being presented, stop calling for unity and acting as if they were just misguided and should not be held responsible for their actions, because they, unlike most in our communities, had reason and evidence shoved down their throats time and again, and they chose, willingly to ignore and ridicule it.
And that will cost all of us, everything.
Take for example even yesterday.
JC mocks those that call Greg Hunt a traitor, so straight away, straight away, he declares Greg Hunt a smarter man nthan a Qld redneck.
Presented with Greg’s own page, where Greg brags about being an award winning graduate of the WEF’s global leaders of tomorrow indoctrination course, he firstly refused to read it, then tried to side line the argument and facts presented straight to him, and personally attack those presenting him with them.
Willfull ignorance.
But hey, stop picking on them…you know it’s all about unity.
This is dishonest language.
It’s all about zero responsibility for those who don’t want their actions and positions held up to scrutiny.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
December 2, 2021 7:20 am

Before 2020
“there’s a bloody bad flu going around this year”
End of story.

Exactly right. So 99.985% of you, if you need to rest up, bust out the chicken soup, zinc tablets and nanas old remedies. The rest of you go see a doctor for gods sake.
But hey we’re smart now, we’ve got social media and Dr Fauci to tell us we are doing it all wrong. We are in safe hands, what could possibly go wrong?

calli
calli
December 2, 2021 7:21 am

Great to hear about your family reunion, jupes. We are due to visit Croatia in August next year, on a long put-off and already paid for holiday.

We’ll see.

Cassie of Sydney
December 2, 2021 7:22 am

“jupessays:
December 2, 2021 at 6:46 am”

I hope your step-son is okay Jupes. Such an intelligent and handsome young man (I’ve met him).
Australia’s loss….Poland’s gain.

jupes
jupes
December 2, 2021 7:39 am

We are due to visit Croatia in August next year, on a long put-off and already paid for holiday.

Make sure you book a wine tour from Dubrovnic calli. I visited a lot of wineries in my brief time as wine importer, and the Croatian wineries are as good as any of them.

Gab
Gab
December 2, 2021 7:42 am

I don’t understand something (well a lot of things really). Isn’t the ADF under the Commonwealth and therefore those who are working for the ADF are exempt from the jabs? Yes?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 2, 2021 7:42 am

I spent a whole night in Tottori once.

Leon L
Leon L
December 2, 2021 7:43 am

We are at war. This blog’s contributors are not the enemy.
All cause mortality </strong is the path out of medical tyranny.
We need to win this battle.

“ From Dose 1 through the March 13, 2021 data cutoff date, there were a total of 38 deaths, 21 in the COMIRNATY group and 17 in the placebo group. None of the deaths were considered related to vaccination.”
This quote is buried in page 23 of this document from the FDA on the Pfizer Comirnaty approval.
PDF located here.

The link I posted hastily yesterday before work, is a seven minute video from a physician Dr Youngblood that is the best summary of the picture I have seen.

All cause mortality has been a necessary endpoint in all clinical trials since Pfizer’s vioxx debacle around 2006 IIRC.

The Pfizer vaccines did not reduce all cause mortality. It wasn’t significant in the trials, but was all cause mortality was higher in the vaccine group. Small overall numbers. I will leave the fraud part out for now.

There is excess unexplained non covid mortality in Europe now.
But it just couldn’t be the vaccines as everybody knows.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 2, 2021 7:43 am

I preferred the accommodation in Yonago but.

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