1,936 thoughts on “Open Thread – Weekend 26 Mar 2022”

  1. “Albosleezy says Solomon Islands “take over” of Chinese is not that important, climate change is more important:”

    The oink from Grayndler has nothing else.

    He certainly seems to be hiding his “I fight Tories” light under a bushel atm.


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  2. JC, have you actually bothered to look at any of his links?

    Yea, I have. They’re all dump sites for conspiracy theories.

    Sorry to belabor the point, but I’m getting that strong feeling of Deja vu again. This response is identical to what I encountered when I first started looking into global warming years ago. Somehow, every critical site was unreliable and every questioning person was somehow compromised and discounted. Up to and including the previously acknowledged greatest expert in meteorology, Professor Richard Lindzen. It took me a while to realise that it wasn’t the person, it was whether the opinion conformed with the narrative.


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  3. Which, in my mind, raises this question – if Putin falls short of his goals in Ukraine, as seems increasingly probable, does that make him more or less dangerous?

    Always give your enemy a line of retreat.


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  4. Okay Roger, let’s get down to TinTacks.
    If The Putler doesn’t get to emulate his childhood hero, Ming The Merciless, and rule the World with a rod of iron, I predict he will pursue a second career as a pompous, humourless windbag commenting on blogs.


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  5. I predict he will pursue a second career as a pompous, humourless windbag commenting on blogs.

    It’s bad manners to always be talking about one’s self, Ed.

    Come on, bring a bit of value to the blog to justify dover keeping you here.


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  6. I caught the bus home tonight and my neighbour who lives upstairs, the Green voting Covid hysteric who also happens to be the world’s most boring person, hopped on, sat down and started talking to me. I tried to say little because I really don’t like her. She rattled on about Covid and travel. She said she wants to go to the UK but she’s scared about Ukraine. I asked why? She said she might reconsider it Putin is assassinated. I thought WTF! And then my voice rose and I said….”Are you fucking kidding me. Firstly, that’ll just inflame the situation and secondly, given my knowledge of Russian history, which I’m pretty sure is more extensive than your knowledge, someone worse than Putin will come along. What a stupid thing to say”.

    This, ladies and gentlemen, is what people are thinking, and they get this uninformed drivel from the MSM.


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  7. Government must be banned from the new bureaucrat play school game of producing and imposing apps on the population.
    There is now an app produced by Border Farce which has to be filled in if you are returning to Oz.
    It contains more rules than rugby union. The usual “great grandmothers maiden name” unnecessary info demands. DOB to be entered at least fifty times.
    You have to upload you passport photo page. “Scuze me bureaucratprick you already have my passport photo page”.
    There is a time limit before return for commencing filling in the app, just to ensure a maximum fuck around factor.
    Couple of questions:
    Why isn’t this just another folder on My Gov?
    Why must I upload my passport. You already have it and your Pakis at the airport will be scrutinising it in detail if I am a white guy.
    The reality is this is designed for foreigners, but the crats are happy to also fuck around Aussies.
    My biggest beef is that I can no longer indulge in the futile but satisfying exercise of crossing out ‘Permanent Resident’ and writing ‘CITIZEN”.
    I need to calm down and prepare myself for undergoing every security, xray and explosives check as is appropriate for a high risk ancient half crippled white guy.


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  8. To think that the general population in the Ukraine have no real idea as to what awaits them, come what may in relation to Russia – the joys of progressivist intentions, and not just US bio labs, foisted upon them from on high.


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  9. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what people are thinking, and they get this uninformed drivel from the MSM.

    From your description, it sounds to me like she’s a little crazier than the average Aussie, cassie.


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  10. “From your description, it sounds to me like she’s a little crazier than the average Aussie, cassie.”

    No….crazy people can be interesting and/or amusing, she’s bat shit boring


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  11. Understand what Hastie did. He heard rumours about BRS and went to the press with them because he wanted BRS prosecuted by the press. This while Brereton’s stupid enquiry was ongoing.

    That is right up there with Sengelman hiring a feminist academic to report on the culture of special force units as the most egregious act by an officer or ex-officer in the last half century. Just fucking disgraceful.

    Hastie the back-stabber is member for Canning; let’s hope the sandgropers treat the bastard like they treated the state lieborals.


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  12. Gez, upticks are insufficient for your comments on Putin, you nailed it.
    Short of electing Rudd as President, there are no grounds whatsoever for this murdering cnut killing thousands of innocent Ukrainians including the military, who should not have to sacrifice themselves to protect their people from these barbarians.
    If people want to attribute blame, try Merkel, the Democrats and the (spits loudly) UN.


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  13. To think that the general population in the Ukraine have no real idea as to what awaits them, come what may in relation to Russia – the joys of progressivist intentions, and not just US bio labs, foisted upon them from on high.

    Ukrainians don’t want to be under the Russian thumb, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they want to embrace American liberalism in all its moral decadence. And if ordinary Ukrainians repel the Russians I’d suggest they might also want more say in the future of their country. One thing where Ukraine differs from Russia is that it has a functioning civil society that gives ordinary people a voice over against the state and the oligarchs.


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  14. sfw

    Atlassian has a market cap of about $72 billion. Mostly, his net worth would be tied in with his ownership as the founder of this heap of crap firm.

    Most of these people aren’t worth like billions with money in the bank. It’s based on market valuation of the businesses they founded. It’s ‘paper’ money.


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  15. Yea Eyrie, it would be a great mode of transport….. if I lived in Death Valley, but I don’t. Why don’t you buy one as you’re a thoroughly modern Millie?

    I’m seriously thinking of pulling the plug and buying the EV merc, but I want the week to think about it.


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  16. She said she might reconsider it Putin is assassinated. I thought WTF! And then my voice rose and I said….”Are you fucking kidding me. Firstly, that’ll just inflame the situation and secondly, given my knowledge of Russian history, which I’m pretty sure is more extensive than your knowledge, someone worse than Putin will come along. What a stupid thing to say”.

    Cassie never change – coraggio cara, coraggio


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  17. Cassie at 6:05.
    Bill Clinton often said he wanted to emulate JFK.
    He turned out to be out of the Kennedy mould.
    And that is not a compliment.


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  18. there are no grounds whatsoever for this murdering cnut killing thousands of innocent Ukrainians including the military, who should not have to sacrifice themselves to protect their people from these barbarians.

    Wake up to yourself.
    The Uke Army are massacring their own civilians.


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  19. Somebody in a comment earlier alleged that India is neutral re. Ukraine. Maybe the man on the street is but the Indian government is certainly not “neutral”. India is not siding with the West in supporting Ukraine, it refused to support the West’s UN motion condemning Russia over the invasion. The Indian government remains very close to Russia, it has a long relationship with Russia going back to the 1950s, it buys Russian wheat and arms. Also, given the current decrepit US leadership, I doubt that India is going to throw Russia or its relationship with Russia to the wolves.


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  20. Goanna at 6:42.
    Similarly, I remember end of season footy trips by bus from that era.
    Large funnel hung off the handrail on the front steps with a length of garden hose attached to the narrow end and squeezed through the rubber weather-seal in the door.
    For dispatching liquid waste on the move.

    No doubt an experienced bus driver will arrive shortly to tell me this can’t possibly be done, or would cause big problems with yada, yada, yada.


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  21. JC I just want to clarify something.

    Are you saying ABC Four Corners has footage of Ben RS killing a civilian ? If so are you referring to the episode which showed SAS getting out of helicopter and then one of them shooting the Afghan? If not that incident can you tell us which episode ?

    Ben RS is about 6ft 4″ and very bulky. Pretty sure he is not the guy in that footage and your suggestion is first I have ever heard of that the shooter might be him.

    Strange that you would say this as part of a stoush where you are trying to say somebody else is a liar.

    Try to resist saying this is part of a pile on but facts do matter and simply can’t make things up in order to support an argument.


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  22. Roger says:
    March 28, 2022 at 6:45 pm
    Which, in my mind, raises this question – if Putin falls short of his goals in Ukraine, as seems increasingly probable, does that make him more or less dangerous?

    Dunno. But, what is his goal? What are Russia’s objectives? The complete subordination of the entire landmass we know as Ukraine? Part of it? Dismissal of the current government? Demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine – as per Putin’s speech? Ukrainian sworn neutrality, accepting the federation of the Donbas and official handback of the Crimea?

    I’ve said a couple of times that I thought, having started this thing, that he couldn’t stop at the Dniper River for reasons I explained at the time. Now, I’m not quite so sure. Maybe it is viable. Choke off Ukraine from the Black Sea and secure the Donbas. Force Ukraine to negotiate or we will push Odesa into the sea?

    The peace negotiations re-commence in Turkey today (28th) and it appears that Ukraine are ‘accepting’ of the Russian demand of Ukrainian neutrality in return for Russia guaranteeing that the Ukrainian border is 100% secure. In other words, no NATO = we won’t be back.

    I think the Crimea is a relatively easy negotiation and Ukraine will be able to extract significant concessions for formally handing it back. But the Donbas is another matter. Part of the problem, IMO, is that the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) is planning to hold a plebiscite on re-joining Russia notwithstanding that Russia recognised it as an independent federation. Therefore, if that went ahead and they formally re-joined Russia, that obviously means that they are formally recognised to have seceded from Ukraine (probably along with the DPR).

    And why? Why would they want to join Russia if they are independent federations and why would Russia need them to do so (or even accept them into Russia) especially of the entire Ukraine has adopted neutrality? They could be in free association with Russia and extract Kremlin support. Acceptance of potential secession, in the future, seems like an unnecessarily hard path to negotiate with Ukraine. Of course, this could be just a ruse negotiation point.

    Ukrainian sworn neutrality, accepting the federation of the Donbas and official handback of the Crimea could be the objectives. Zelensky is a neutered ‘bit-player’ if those things are achieved. The UK, for example, has already said it will lift the sanctions on Russia when they withdraw from Ukraine and their are commitments of no further aggression. Ukraine neutrality will fix that. Other nations in the EU will promptly follow for their own reasons.


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  23. Somebody in a comment earlier alleged that India is neutral

    ..
    I said “Pretty neutral”.
    As compared to say, Russian sites or CNN, Indian media is “pretty neutral” not the absolute “neutral” you “alleged”.
    Learn to read carefully before you comment.


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  24. IF Ukrainians are shooting prisoners in the leg, that is a crime.

    IF that is not a video game or layered with CGI a la Ghost of Kyiv, and bearing in mind I don’t care, and also bearing in mind that like everyone else (except the dating coach turned cash-grabber via podcast Mr Lira) is watching this from the other side of the world – I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

    IF the Ukes have captured shit tins of Russians, and IF they’re not in a position to take them back to eastern Ukraine en masse because they wouldn’t have anyone left to shoot at Russians, and also considering they’d have to feed and shelter them, and IF they were let go they’d end up at or behind the Russian lines and thrown back into circulation, and IF they were serious – one in the leg would be fine. Books have been written on this, and I for one don’t see a problem with it.

    It’s that or one in the head. Are they at war or not?


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  25. Why didn’t they just move to Vaucluse Lizzie?

    Dopey is as dopey does. I was busy making a film on the Western plains of NSW, Dopey, at the time of talking to that old geezer, living during the filming in a motel (shades of Johanna, and I don’t diss her for that, it’s sensible sometimes). In that rarified atmosphere such was the excitement and isolation that I ended up having a passionate affair motel-style with the director during the interegnum for husbands. I was an inner-city lefty westie at that time, living nowhere near Vaucluse, and the old geezer telling me about bush aircon wouldn’t have had a bar of Vaucluse had he ever known of it. An old style Labor man, he was very against what he called ‘the money men’.

    Is that good enough for you?

    ps he broke my heart on our next film together but you win some you lose some – and I wasn’t following Jane Austen’s rules, so it would have been a disaster even if he hadn’t dumped me for his airheaded heroin-toking camera assistant. We still had to work together on the editing, which was cruel.

    I am going to follow my own rules here now and only talk economics.
    So obviously I won’t say very much at all. 🙂


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  26. Ukraine neutrality will fix that.

    Ah yes and we could have a get together at Warsaw to sign off on “neutral” countries that Russia approves.


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  27. St. Ruth at 3.11, quoting ‘Truth Justice’ and his extrapolated 410,000, (000) deaths on twatter:

    This is the worse coverup in human history.

    It’s the worse* spelling in human history, and particularly so because that statement was apparently designed to be one of the most important in human history.

    The statement has as much cred as the crap it was talking about.

    *Snicker.


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  28. “I said “Pretty neutral”.
    As compared to say, Russian sites or CNN, Indian media is “pretty neutral” not the absolute “neutral” you “alleged”.
    Learn to read carefully before you comment.”

    LOL Is that what you did when you censored people because they wrote something you didn’t like?

    I stand by what I wrote.

    BTW…what are you doing here? I thought you’d departed these shores?


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  29. Oh and I may mention cooking. My forte.
    We had a very up-to-the minute (25 of them) oven-ready roast Chicken Kyev last night.
    From Woolworths. They no longer spell it Chicken Kiev out of popular sentiment which as we know is running strongly in favour of Kyev these days. Woolworths didn’t miss a beat on that.


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  30. Roger, it wasn’t so much that the Ukrainians might want to ‘embrace American liberalism’ but of them having it foisted upon them, especially by way msm channeled corrupt propaganda (propaganda need not be corrupt) and terror tactics, not unlike our own experience.


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  31. It’s still a crime KD.

    Fair enough. In which case, we’d better go after the Australian WWII vets who unashamedly shot surrendering Japs out of hand in the Kokoda campaign in 1942/3, and all of the Yanks who shot Germans with their hands up all the way across Europe and on those Pacific islands in 1945.

    On the Russians, we’d better hit them up for everything after Stalingrad to Berlin. They slaughtered ten of thousands of Krauts out of hand every month from the end of 1942 on, because the Krauts were doing the exact same thing – plus taking pot shots at the Russian POWs on their way back to the camps in Poland in 1941.

    They had no compunction telling anyone who would listen why they were shot straight out. Top Ender’s book on the subject is well researched and a decent read on the subject.

    There may well be logistical impossibilities in keeping POWs alive on occasions, particularly if they have form for trying to kill their captors post-surrender.

    There may not be either, but in any event I don’t care whether either side kills prisoners or not.


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  32. Brett Whines ( Bourne 1788)..

    I just checked and it isn’t BRS in the video. I mistakenly thought it was as I was relying on faulty memory. However, even though I got the person in the video wrong, it doesn’t take away the fact that an SAS dude ostensibly killed someone who was supposedly unarmed.
    But even so, this isn’t the real point of the argument I was making.

    If you had followed the argument closely and objectively,which is obviously beyond you, I was saying that Driller and an a number of others here were relying on an uncontested video about Ukrainians soldiers treating Russian soldiers cruelly. In the same breath these would be the same people standing up for the SAS dudes.

    Let’s be clear about this, so you don’t head off at the fork in the road as you normally do. I have zero opinion on the two videos as I’ve learnt to never trust uncontested film footage.


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  33. book on the subject is well researched and a decent read on the subject

    That is awful grammar. Just awful.

    Lucky it wasn’t a statement alerting the world to the worse coverup in history.


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  34. I’m not a hag

    ..
    It’s not the issue or the argument with you.
    It’s the person.
    And you still won’t get over an exchange from years ago.
    Even to the extent that in your brain you believe I instigated a pile on. You got so furious at being challenged you didn’t even register that when others began to agree with me I made a point of saying I accepted your explanation.
    No. Not good enough. Miss Alpha is never to be challenged. Ever.
    You are friends with Lizzie and a fav of Mater, two most excellent people I like very much, so I usually just give you a wide berth to avoid the shit.
    Not today. You couldn’t even be bothered to attribute that which you misquoted, because it was me.
    Passive aggressive little git.


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  35. JCsays:

    March 28, 2022 at 6:51 pm

    Net Worth

    Mike Cannon-Brookes
    $26.2b
    last year:
    $21.99b
    role:
    Co-founder and chief executive, Atlassian

    Atlassian results

    2018/. $119 million loss
    2019/. $638 million loss
    2020/. $ 351 million loss
    2021/. $ 531 million loss

    I don’t believe the firm has ever made a profit.

    OK.
    They have been around for twenty years.
    Listed for seven years.
    That is about 1,000 years in IT “start-up” world.
    And the 2021 loss of $531 mil was on revenue of $2 bill.
    So they would have to jack prices by 25% to break-even, assuming they don’t lose one dollar of top line revenue as a reaction to the price increase.
    Not going to happen.
    They market enabling and linking software for backroom business use, not sexy consumer software.
    They must be at a mature stage after twenty years. Are they going to get to profit through growth? Hard to see it.
    I agree.
    It doesn’t stack up for me.


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  36. Duely noted. Other than that I am not paying to much attention to who is shooting who in Ukraine. I just knew it was not BRS in that footage.

    JCsays:
    March 28, 2022 at 8:22 pm
    I just checked and it isn’t BRS in the video. I mistakenly thought it was as I was relying on faulty memory.


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  37. Sanchez

    Dickhead Brookes should be focusing more on getting out of the stock before the thing heads to zero instead of worrying about gerbiling and saddling the country with plastic panels and windmills.


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  38. “Arkysays:
    March 28, 2022 at 8:28 pm”

    I don’t like you and you don’t like me. I think you’re a nasty, miserable, unlikeable wanker.

    And as for this pearler…“Passive aggressive little git.”

    LOL. Such projection.


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  39. WASHINGTON, D.C., March 22, 2022 — Following an introduction by Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT), Asia Society President and CEO and Asia Society Policy Institute President Kevin Rudd delivers brief remarks on U.S.-China relations before participating in a conversation moderated by ASPI Vice President Wendy Cutler. (1 hr., 11 min.)


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  40. I don’t like you and you don’t like me. I think you’re a nasty, miserable, unlikeable wanker.</blockquote?.
    ..
    Who still requires an attribution when quoted, and the inclusion of the main qualifier in the quoted sentence.


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  41. JCsays:

    March 28, 2022 at 7:34 pm

    sfw

    Atlassian has a market cap of about $72 billion. Mostly, his net worth would be tied in with his ownership as the founder of this heap of crap firm.

    Most of these people aren’t worth like billions with money in the bank. It’s based on market valuation of the businesses they founded. It’s ‘paper’ money.

    Although he would have some cash outside for houses and toys.
    I assume prior to listing, he and his offsider owned 100% of the company.
    When it listed, they would have collected a good part of the cash flowing from new shareholders (after the float managers clipped the ticket).
    JC.
    Do you know what percentage of the company C-B and his offsider hold now?


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  42. Bourne1879 says:
    March 28, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    Duely noted. Other than that I am not paying to much attention to who is shooting who in Ukraine. I just knew it was not BRS in that footage.

    Brett, I met up with a military dude at a party on the weekend. We got to talking and I swear, that I think he said there was a video of BRS acting cruelly towards some afghan. Is there actually a video floating around specifically with BRS or does he or I have it wrong?


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  43. IF the Ukes have captured shit tins of Russians, and IF they’re not in a position to take them back to eastern Ukraine en masse because they wouldn’t have anyone left to shoot at Russians, and also considering they’d have to feed and shelter them, and IF they were let go they’d end up at or behind the Russian lines and thrown back into circulation, and IF they were serious – one in the leg would be fine. Books have been written on this, and I for one don’t see a problem with it.

    You can either accept the Geneva convention or not.

    But if you don’t, don’t expect your own forces to be treated in accordance with it.


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  44. Crimes can have mitigating circumstances and still be crimes.

    What’s the mitigating Circumstance?
    That they’re Sadists who hadn’t tortured anyone to death lately?


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  45. Arkysays:

    March 28, 2022 at 8:17 pm

    I stand by what I wrote.

    ..
    Shut up you hag.

    Excellent bonhomie and good humour tonight.
    And top drawer debating too.


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  46. Fair enough. In which case, we’d better go after the Australian WWII vets who unashamedly shot surrendering Japs out of hand in the Kokoda campaign in 1942/3

    You’re an idiot.
    If they unashamedly shot Japs out of hand, then they would have put their name to it.
    But no one ever did, so it wasn’t “unashamed”, was it?


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  47. Ed Casesays:
    March 28, 2022 at 7:08 pm
    Okay Roger, let’s get down to TinTacks.
    If The Putler doesn’t get to emulate his childhood hero, Ming The Merciless, and rule the World with a rod of iron, I predict he will pursue a second career as a pompous, humourless windbag commenting on blogs.

    Impossible, Dick. You’ve got that position completely locked.


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  48. If they unashamedly shot Japs out of hand, then they would have put their name to it.
    But no one ever did, so it wasn’t “unashamed”, was it?

    I’ve heard different.


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  49. JCsays:
    March 28, 2022 at 7:34 pm
    sfw

    Atlassian has a market cap of about $72 billion. Mostly, his net worth would be tied in with his ownership as the founder of this heap of crap firm.

    Most of these people aren’t worth like billions with money in the bank. It’s based on market valuation of the businesses they founded. It’s ‘paper’ money.

    You spelled “Monopoly money” wrongly.


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  50. JCsays:

    March 28, 2022 at 8:32 pm

    Sanchez

    Dickhead Brookes should be focusing more on getting out of the stock before the thing heads to zero instead of worrying about gerbiling and saddling the country with plastic panels and windmills.

    Firstly, he drinks his own bathwater so thinks Atlassian is headed for the moon based on his shining personality.
    Secondly, how does he extricate even 5% without crashing the price and pissing off people who bought in on his pumping up of it’s prospects.


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  51. Okay, the annual report (2021) says they own

    Entities affiliated with T. Rowe Price Associates, Inc. (2) 13,379,591 5.31 % — — *
    Directors and Executive Officers:
    Michael Cannon-Brookes (3) — — 56,954,822 49.69 % 44.38 %
    Scott Farquhar (4) — — 56,954,822 49.69 % 44.38 %

    Cameron Deatsch (5) 11,616 * — — *
    James Beer (6) 40,852 * — — *
    Sri Viswanath (7) 335,967 * — — *
    Erika Fisher (8) 10,433 * — — *
    Shona Brown (9) 30,870 * — — *
    Heather Mirjahangir Fernandez (10) 13,500 * — — *
    Jay Parikh (11) 19,650 * — — *
    Enrique Salem (12) 130,457 * — — *
    Steven Sordello (13) 44,884 * — — *
    Sasan Goodarzi (14) 10,228 * — — *
    Richard P. Wong (15) 145,860 * — — *

    However these appear to be class B shares and not tradable like Class A, I guess which is where all the other shareholders reside. So it appears they haven’t gone through the check out counter just yet.


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  52. Ed Casesays:
    March 28, 2022 at 7:43 pm
    there are no grounds whatsoever for this murdering cnut killing thousands of innocent Ukrainians including the military, who should not have to sacrifice themselves to protect their people from these barbarians.

    Wake up to yourself.
    The Uke Army are massacring their own civilians.

    Dick Ed got this directly from a fellow spook.


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  53. Constitutional recognition of First Nations is essential for justice

    Jill Rowbotham
    Legal Affairs Correspondent
    17 minutes ago March 28, 2022
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    Constitutional recognition of Indigenous Australians is a necessary prerequisite for a just legal system, retired NSW chief justice Tom Bathurst has told a gathering of senior lawyers and judges.

    “A just legal system is not one which is only just to most people,” Mr Bathurst said in a speech to a Law Society of NSW dinner on Monday. “We won’t achieve a system that is just until First Nations communities and elders are not merely consulted but have an active role in the formation of the laws and processes which affect them, including, I think, constitutional recognition.”

    Mr Bathurst, who retired this month at 74 after almost 11 years as chief justice, also canvassed improvements to the system over the years such as the rise of alternative dispute resolution, the introduction of judicial intervention by way of case management and an increasing recognition that it is important for people who pass through the justice system to believe they have been heard.

    “Research indicates that if parties feel they have been treated fairly, they are more likely to view even an unfavourable outcome as substantively fair and comply with it,” he said.

    He credited former High Court justice Michael Kirby with triggering a change in culture in the mid-1980s when he was president of the NSW Court of Appeal.

    “Before that (the Court of Appeal) could be a terrifying place to appear. Justice Kirby brought to that court the previously rare quality of civility, which eventually filtered down to other parts of the court and other courts of the state, so that people were more and more able to feel they had received a fair hearing.”

    However, Mr Bathurst returned to the theme of justice for Indigenous Australians when he urged the adoption of a more holistic view of the legal system given the risk that “while the court might fulfil justice in the narrow sense, the broader sense may be neglected”. He stressed the importance of “solution-based courts such as the Drug Court” and the necessity of “focusing on particular problems such as over-incarceration of First Nations peoples. What might be described as therapeutic justice will become increasingly important”.

    Bring on the referendum into Constitutional recognition of indigenous Australians, the sooner the better. Oh, and when did they become “First Nations?”


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  54. JC at 8:55.
    It’s worse than I thought.
    Cannon-Brookes and Farquhar own 88.8% of the company between them.
    Near to 90%.
    I don’t know current ASX rules, but I don’t think it could be listed on the ASX with that shateholding structure.
    So what we’ve got is a tightly held stock with only 11% available on market outside those two. In truth there is probably only a tiny percentage of stock traded, which is what is driving the stock price.
    The business fundamentals certainly aren’t.


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  55. More on the Anesthesia (Atlassian) fuckheads.

    Their shareholding, according to the 2021 annual reports suggests they own about $16 billion of the stock tucked away in Class B.

    However, the Oz says their net worth is about $20 billion. This could suggest the Bobbsey twins may have cashed in about $4 billion of the stock. Sounds plausible I guess.


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  56. JC,
    It is hard to know about video footage in Afghan. Whilst you have to admire SAS fighting abilities you do have to wonder at their total lack of concern about destroying what could be serious evidence against them or their mates. To them it was a “souvenir”.

    The footage of that helicopter incident should never have come to light. The guy whose head the camera was on is now an accomplice to the cover up of the shooting. The initial incident was investigated, without the footage, and obviously all there have given false statements. How that got to somebody else and ended up on ABC is mind boggling.

    Ben RS got into trouble for items he hid in his garden. Another SAS guy, a witness against RS, had a wife who was talking about photos she had which were from Afghan.

    If going to do dodgy stuff make sure you destroy the footage !


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  57. Ed the Cat Fondler:

    In New Guinea, Australian soldier VX66349 noted his distress when ‘a patrol of ours found one of our mates, who had been missing. He’d been tied to a tree by the Japs, with a length of bamboo forced into his backside’. The solder died a little while later, and VX66349 concluded: ‘I went a little insane for a while, and when we’d cornered some Japs later on, the things we did to them now seem horifuing – but I guess that’s war.’

    And:

    Feelings ran high in the botched Operation Market Garden in 1944, with desperate assaults on both sides to gain crucial ascendancy. In an attack across the Waal River the Allied troops took heavy losses, and so any Germans who ‘…belatedly sought to surrender were cut down ruthlessly by paratroopers enraged by their terrible losses.’

    Lethality in Combat, Dr. Tom Lewis: pp. 176 and 178

    The quote from the bottom one is from Sir Max Hastings. It’s not on Google, Ed, but it’s out there. Riiiiight out there.


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  58. So what we’ve got is a tightly held stock with only 11% available on market outside those two. In truth there is probably only a tiny percentage of stock traded, which is what is driving the stock price.
    The business fundamentals certainly aren’t.

    Oh okay, good figuring out, Sanchez. So the float is tiny and traded as class A. They’re hiding with a massive holding in Class B. Those two fuckheads are never going to get their money, I hope.


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  59. NT Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker met police before Zachary Rolfe charged with murder over Kumanjayi Walker

    MATT CUNNINGHAM
    DARWIN BUREAU CHIEF

    Northern Territory Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker was involved in a meeting of senior police executives held just minutes before detectives were directed to charge Constable Zachary Rolfe with murder.

    Police notes obtained by The Australian show senior police executives including Mr Chalker met in Deputy Commissioner Michael White’s office at 3.34pm on November 13, 2019, the afternoon Constable Rolfe was charged with the murder of Indigenous man Kumanjayi Walker.

    Detectives investigating the case were called into the same office at 3.47pm – after Mr Chalker had left – where they were directed to arrest Constable Rolfe.

    Independent Commissioner Against Corruption Michael Riches is expected to announce on Tuesday an investigation into the decision to charge Constable Rolfe with murder less than four days after he killed Mr Walker during a failed arrest attempt in the remote community of Yuendumu, about 300km northwest of Alice Springs.

    Constable Rolfe this month was found not guilty of murder and the reserve charges of manslaughter and engaging in a violent act causing death. Mr Chalker last week said he had remained at arm’s length from the investigation and was “as shocked as anybody” when he learned the officer had been charged with murder.

    Notes taken by Detective Acting Superintendent Kirk Pennuto detail the “private meeting” involving Mr Chalker and senior executives at NAB House in Darwin’s Smith St.

    It is not known what was discussed at that initial meeting. Thirteen minutes later, after Mr Chalker left, Supt Pennuto, Commander Dole and Supt Kennedy were called into the office.

    “1547 Meeting in office of DCOP White. Present are (Assistant Commissioner Nick) Anticich, (Deputy Commissioner Michael) Murphy, (Deputy Commissioner Michael) White, Kennedy, Dole, (Communications Director Rob) Cross + me,” the notes say.

    The notes show at this meeting detectives were directed to arrest and charge Constable Rolfe amid concerns he would fly back to his parents’ home in Canberra.

    “White states he has recent credible information that Rolfe is flying out of the NT to Canberra tomorrow morning,” the notes say. “White queries whether arrest is now appropriate on basis of DPP recommendations (and) travel info.”

    Deputy Commissioner Murphy, Deputy Commissioner White and Assistant Commissioner Anticich then discuss the logistics of an arrest before agreeing it should be done as soon as possible.

    “Anticich – ‘my view is we have to consider ‘going’ now’,” Supt Pennuto’s notes say.

    “White – ‘it does look like he is travelling and an extradition would be a nightmare’.

    “Murphy – ‘ok then’ – leaves room.

    “Anticich – ‘what is the decision then?’.

    “White – ‘we have to arrest. What else is reasonable?’.

    “Anticich – ‘OK, we are arresting. Kirk, Doley, there is to be no communications prior but immediate comms after. There will need to be family advice plus the chief will need to know straight away’.

    “White – ‘I guess we locate him, assemble arrest teams etc’.”

    Assistant Commissioner Anticich and Mr Cross then discuss a communications strategy before the meeting is closed.

    In a statement, Mr Chalker’s office said NT Police had provided a brief to the Director of Public Prosecutions, “who advised there was a prima facie case for a charge of murder to be laid”.

    “The Commissioner had no involvement in this process.

    “A meeting was held to advise senior members of the executive and discuss the operational aspects of the arrest and charging of Constable Rolfe. The Commissioner was not in this meeting.”

    The statement did not directly address a question about what had been discussed at the earlier meeting attended by the Commissioner. It said the NT police force was providing information to the Coroner ahead of an inquiry in September and police would co-operate with any ICAC investigation.

    The notes of another detective, Senior Sergeant Mark Malagorski, show investigators sought an opinion from the Director of Public Prosecution about a possible murder charge on Monday, November 11, 2019, less than two days after the shooting.

    “Member reports A/Commander Martin Dole and D/A/Supt Kirk Pennuto returning from their meeting with DPP Director Jack Karczewski QC who recommended the charge of murder and matter needs to be before a jury,” Det Sen-Sgt Malagorski noted at 1.37pm on November 11.

    “DPP request a brief of evidence COB Wednesday November 13, 2019!

    “Interview to be conducted or offered to Constable Zac (sic) Rolfe by COB Tuesday November 12 2019. DPP will review the brief and will advise appropriate charge(s).”

    Officers were then directed to be ready to charge Constable Rolfe at Alice Springs Airport if he tried to fly to Canberra. Instead he was directed to fly to Darwin.

    The notes show there were discussions about negotiating an “arrest by appointment” at Darwin police station on Thursday, November 14. But the arrest was brought forward when it was learned Constable Rolfe planned to fly from Darwin to Canberra.

    After his trial, Constable Rolfe’s barrister, David Edwardson QC, said the decision to charge his client was a disgrace and had occurred in “the absence of any meaningful investigation”.

    The Australian this month revealed other detectives working on the investigation had detailed concerns about the haste with which he was charged. They were also concerned an opinion from the Director of Public Prosecutions had been sought so quickly.

    In her official police statement, Detective Sergeant Isobel Cummins says: “On numerous occasions, I and other investigators had voiced our concerns regarding the rushed process … and the fact we were not comfortable with the current situation without a full assessment of the evidence and ability to investigate objectively.”

    Oz breaking news – comments strangely open


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  60. You’ve heard different, Zulu?
    Someone boasting about murdering a surrendered soldier in Cold Blood?

    I’ve heard that you smile when you murder logic, sense and factual reality, Grigs.

    And you aren’t afraid to be seen doing it, either…


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    These dudes could have been under real pressure and they exploded. Who knows and also we really need to be wary of context from video. Sometimes, it’s just best to say their guilt or innocence will be determined by their God.


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    March 28, 2022 at 8:32 pm
    Sanchez

    Dickhead Brookes should be focusing more on getting out of the stock before the thing heads to zero instead of worrying about gerbiling and saddling the country with plastic panels and windmills.

    Bugger that. The prick should ride the stock all the way down to wallpaper value.


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  63. Korea:

    Hackworth [David Hackworth, of later We Were Soldiers fame in Vietnam], as a sergeant, came upon one of his privates eating some rations, with prisoners dead at his feet, ‘each from a single bullet in the back of the head.’ Hackworth….. asked why they’d been killed, receiving the answer that they had ‘tried to escape’. The private’s brother had been killed only a few days before.

    Lethality In Combat, p.180

    There’s more Ed.


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  64. US Army Colonel Roger to his men in Vietnam, and on the subject of prisoners:

    If they’re going to slow you down, kill them.

    I can go all night with this, Ed.

    It’s an occupational hazard of that line of work, and all the sooking on Earth will not change that fact.


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  65. “JCsays:
    March 28, 2022 at 9:04 pm
    More on the Anesthesia (Atlassian) fuckheads.”

    JC…I think I read something last year or the year before that these two Atlassian grubs set up complicated offshore tax arrangements that pay minimal company tax here in Oz…unlike people like Rinehart and Forrest.

    Mike Cannon-Brookes’ father headed Herbert Smith Freehills for years.


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  66. Ed Casesays:
    March 28, 2022 at 8:48 pm
    Fair enough. In which case, we’d better go after the Australian WWII vets who unashamedly shot surrendering Japs out of hand in the Kokoda campaign in 1942/3

    You’re an idiot.
    If they unashamedly shot Japs out of hand, then they would have put their name to it.
    But no one ever did, so it wasn’t “unashamed”, was it?

    Dickless

    .1 Officially recorded in the Official History.

    .2 Have you read the memoirs of every Australian soldier who served on the Kokoda Trail? I recall one of them mentioning in his memoirs that he was part of a group who shot over 50 Japanese prisoners.


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  67. New Guinea.

    “The policy of shooting Japanese soldiers attempting to surrender, using the airdropped leaflets, is yielding the results you would expect. What do these fools think would happen?”

    Australian soldier, in his diary.


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  68. There’s two problems KD.
    1. If it becomes a known, entrenched habit the enemy might become somewhat reluctant to surrender, making more casualties on one’s own side.
    2. It remains illegal.
    3. When the other side does it like the SS at Malmedy(?) we purport to find it an atrocity.


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  69. Cassie

    I thought the father was a British import working for Citibank here in Oz. He could have migrated to Freehills later on though (of course).

    That’s not important though as the son is a absolute arsehole.

    Cannon-Brookes was born in November 1979,[5] the son of a global banking executive, also named Mike, and his wife, Helen. He graduated from the University of New South Wales with a bachelor’s degree in information systems on a UNSW Co-op Scholarship



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  70. From TE’s link:

    Police notes obtained by The Australian show senior police executives including Mr Chalker met in Deputy Commissioner Michael White’s office at 3.34pm on November 13, 2019, the afternoon Constable Rolfe was charged with the murder of Indigenous man Kumanjayi Walker.

    Detectives investigating the case were called into the same office at 3.47pm – after Mr Chalker had left – where they were directed to arrest Constable Rolfe.

    If you read this, which is a pissweak attempt to distance Chalker from dodgy politically-driven decision-making, in the context of this, from the NT Independent today:

    Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker personally referred the Constable Zach Rolfe matter to the Territory’s anti-corruption body in 2019 for what he described as “suspected improper conduct” less than 48 hours after the incident and before any charges were filed, which appears to contradict his statement last week that he was “shocked” when the criminal charges were laid

    Then there’s no doubt. Chalker is gonski. There are memes circulating already that Chief Minister Michael Gunner will throw Chalker (his former schoolmate) under the bus, and I reckon that is exactly what will happen.


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  71. In the recent example, that mitigating factor is absent.

    Fair enough Dover. However, I will return to my other constant moan about video footage and what happened before and after, because we do not know (as opposed to being told, potentially by someone with an axe to grind) how long after any fighting finished the shootings occurred.


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  72. AFR

    Actually dad sounds just as big a dickhead as the son. A real blowhard. (Driller must know him personally).

    He did work ad Freehiils.

    Joanne Gray
    Joanne GrayManaging editor
    Jun 9, 2016

    Mike Cannon-Brookes is not at all deflated by the fact that, despite his glittering, globetrotting career with United States multinationals IBM and Citibank, he is now known as the father of Mike, the co-founder of Atlassian.

    Cannon-Brookes snr was one of the crop of foreigners who swelled the finance industry in Australia the early ’80s, when foreign banks were invited to apply for licences. After stints in London, New York and Taipei for Citibank, the British Cannon-Brookes was running Citi’s private and investment banking in Hong Kong when he got asked to move again.

    “I got this call one day from New York saying ‘Go to Australia. There’s a man called Keating. Get a bank licence.’ I mean this is typical Citibank style.”

    Mike Cannon-Brookes snr: “The only lasting things that you can pass on to your children is your value system.” Nic Walker

    Cannon-Brookes was in charge of lodging Citi’s foreign bank licence application: three leather-bound volumes, plus 11 copies. He was so worried about couriering it to Canberra he drove it down himself, handing it to the head of the international division of federal Treasury, David Morgan (who later became Westpac chief executive). In 1985, Treasurer Paul Keating officially opened Citibank’s first branch. Keating told Cannon-Brookes recently that he only did the honours because “you were so goddamn persistent”.

    As the family wanted to stay in Australia, he took a job with Freehills. Then another call came. It was Bob Joss, Westpac managing director. “Bob said, ‘Hey you’ve gotta stop futzing around with this law firm. Can you come and help me? I need somebody to run all the operations and technology,’ ” he says.
    Advertisement

    A few years later, IBM tapped his banking and technology nous. He ran the banking operations globally, before spending eight years in Shanghai, where he ran IBM’s emerging markets strategy. With this background, it’s no wonder Mike Cannon-Brookes jnr has built a company that from the start has had global ambition.

    Mike jnr was the only child at home; his older sisters were at boarding school in England. He attended Cranbrook School, was always interested in computing, learned easily and competed with another boy for dux.

    Global issues were a topic at the dinner table, and the children were used to crossing the globe during school holidays. When Cannon-Brookes and his wife Helen left for IBM in Singapore, Mike started studying business information at the University of NSW, where he met Scott Farquhar who was to become co-founder of Atlassian.

    How did Cannon-Brookes and Helen raise a billionaire? “The only lasting things that you can pass on to your children are not assets, but your value system, and yourself as the best role model you can be.”



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  73. I can go all night with this, Ed.

    Yeah, it’s like you’re gloating about it.
    Have you thought about joining up with the Uke Army?
    I’m sure they’d welcome you, seeing as they’re doing so well in the war.


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  74. Have you thought about joining up with the Uke Army?

    Nah. It’s all mutton and gluten over there.

    P.S. Eat shit with your stupid unqualified unresearched and evidence-free statements.

    I might put a couple more up anyway. Ya flamer.


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  75. Ed Casesays:
    March 28, 2022 at 9:32 pm
    DownVote button required for these idiots.

    Dickless Ed seems unhappy that his evidence free assertions have been challenged with actual facts.

    Sad, low energy.


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  76. JC at 9:09.

    So the float is tiny and traded as class A. They’re hiding with a massive holding in Class B. Those two fuckheads are never going to get their money, I hope.

    It is entirely possible that the Atlassian share price is underpinned by about 200 Sydney Eastern suburbs wankers who like to go to some gauche over-priced Hemmes restaurant, loudly order something outrageously expensive and then loudly tell everyone how smart they were by buying into Atlassian.


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  77. How do you know that?

    I believe I saw some being pulled out of a vehicle. Might be wrong. Also seem to recall them wearing zip ties too. So if you had the nerve to zip tie them but shoot them later, you’re probably in a bit of trouble.


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  78. Dover

    I just watched the vid. In the first part of the you see the first guy being shot and a red streak is visible near his legs. It looks like its blood streaming. However, there is no blood on the ground or on him as the vid progresses.


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  79. I believe I saw some being pulled out of a vehicle. Might be wrong. Also seem to recall them wearing zip ties too. So if you had the nerve to zip tie them but shoot them later, you’re probably in a bit of trouble

    ..
    Infantry is trained to enhance the shock of capture.
    That’s when harsh treatment occurs such as dragging enemy to lie next to the corpses of dead comrades.
    IF the leg shooting occurred, it would probably occur in that context immediately after capture. There’s no point doing it hours later, I think.
    It’s in order to soften them up for interrogation taking advantage of the disorientation that getting captured causes.
    Actual soldiers on this blog, rather than me, a bloke who did some part time soldering as part of a mid life crisis might add more on the likely timings and circumstances after a battle of such. I mostly speculate.


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  80. Covid vaccination commander Lieutenant-General John Frewen said Australia finally passed 95 per cent vaccination, but the booster rate was far behind.

    I often think of the military when medical matters concerning my well-being arise.
    Seems our military hierarchy are skilled at everything unrelated to war.


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  81. The logistics of taking prisoners will sometime outweigh the value of having them. Like having wounded people, it takes fit fighting soldiers to take them from the battlefield, and sometimes you can’t afford to lose them.

    In April 1917, Gordon Highlander John Eugene Crombie was ordered to bayonet surrendering Germans in a captured trench because it was ‘expedient from a military point of view in that officers of the assault refused to spare soldiers to escort those captured’.

    World War I infantryman Thomas Marks took part in an attack where the word was passed to the units involved that prisoners were not to be taken, due to the heavy losses his division had taken and there not being enough personnel to escort any captives to the rear. Marks was then involved in an attack on two machine-guns in which his section took the German position, with the eight Germans there surrendering to the five British.

    Despite their protestations of ‘Kamerad’, the defeated soldiers were shot at close range by rifle fire. The section then took a deep dugout where Germans took refuge; they were at first subdued with a grenade, and the survivors exhorted to come out. When they did, one by one, they were shot, and eventually, hearing the shots, the remaining Germans refused to emerge and were finished off with more grenades.

    Lethality in Combat, p. 189

    This is not new, and has been around since warfare started. I’m not saying throw the entire Geneva Convention in the bin, but observers need to realise that this happens, it has always happened and to recognise it as such.

    This back seat unqualified generalship is what gave us the Brereton Enquiry.


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  82. JCsays:
    March 28, 2022 at 9:49 pm
    Duncanm

    They didn’t make a $ billion as the link says. The firm made a billion in revenue, which is not the same.

    I think you’ll find that’s what I wrote.

    $1B revenue, $138M profit.


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  83. Any videos yet of brave lady Ukrainian (or Russian, for that matter) infantry, on their backs having just been disembowelled by shrapnel?

    Can’t be long before someone thinks that up.


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  84. Oh come on says:
    March 28, 2022 at 3:29 pm

    I know you asked Dover but here’s my 2c. I think the ‘denazification’ objective could easily backfire badly. You can kill all of the ultra-nationalist far right soldiers from Galicia but this won’t kill their perspective of the non-Ukrainian world that’s common in that part of Ukraine, (ie. an intense hatred of Russia combined with a somewhat milder hatred of the Poles and the Hungarians and anyone nearby who they don’t consider Ukrainian).

    In that Oliver Stone documentary about Ukraine, he asked a youngish Azov soldier what their aims were. He said that they wanted to kill all the Russians, then kill all the Jews.

    I’m surprised that there are any Jews left in Ukraine, with their long bloody history of pogroms, then the Holodomor, then the Holocaust, how did any survive those times.


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  85. I’m not saying throw the entire Geneva Convention in the bin,
    That’s exactly what you’re saying.
    but observers need to realise that this happens, it has always happened and to recognise it as such.
    Sure.
    It’s Murder.

    This back seat unqualified generalship is what gave us the Brereton Enquiry.
    Says the biggest Armchair General/ Military Porn Fanboi on the blog.

    When did that Order to bayonet the surrendering Germans first see the light of day?
    It wasn’t 1917 or likely in the lifetime of those who gave the Order.


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  86. Dickless

    When did that Order to bayonet the surrendering Germans first see the light of day?
    It wasn’t 1917 or likely in the lifetime of those who gave the Order.

    Check with your spook associates, they’ll be able to tell you.


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  87. When did that Order to bayonet the surrendering Germans first see the light of day?
    It wasn’t 1917 or likely in the lifetime of those who gave the Order.

    Once again, Ed, you are wrong. It ‘saw the light of day’ as all written orders did at the time.

    It was also reproduced in Joanna Bourke’s An Intimate History of Killing: Face-to-Face Killing in Twentieth-Century Warfare (1999).


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  88. Covid vaccination commander Lieutenant-General John Frewen

    The Mongness of the ADF writ large by signing up to be implicated in the COVID clusterfuck.


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  89. Eyriesays:
    March 28, 2022 at 9:59 pm
    Hackworth [David Hackworth, of later We Were Soldiers fame in Vietnam]

    IIRC the We were soldiers guy was Harold G Moore.

    Hackworth wrote About Face, Steel My Soldiers’ Hearts, and several other books.


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  90. It was also reproduced in Joanna Bourke’s An Intimate History of Killing: Face-to-Face Killing in Twentieth-Century Warfare (1999).

    Yeah.
    They were so fucking “unashamed” about it that it remained a secret for 82 years.
    You quibbling idiot.


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  91. Daily Mail.

    Australian rugby league to get its FIRST transgender player who is set to compete in the women’s competition

    Transgender rugby league player lodges application to play in the NRLW
    Her request to compete is being considered by the top brass of the NRL
    Issue has divided fans some arguing ‘it’s not fair’ and others saying ‘let her play’



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  92. Who knows what Australians got up to in Afghanistan.
    The kicking the old man off a cliff story is horse shit (the original story).
    The killing three men in a cave story with a hammer is pure garbage (but they dropped that one pretty quickly).
    But considering the DoD’s own Afghanistan papers showed some pretty sick shit who knows how bad things got over there.
    There was one period where the US had 300 missions where there were zero enemy or suspected enemy killed but there were civilian deaths.
    Think about how loose they were to rack up those stats.
    And that the DoD’s own reports.
    If Wikileaks didn’t open your eyes about the barbarity over there, nothing will.


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  93. Ed, you missed this bit:

    It ‘saw the light of day’ as all written orders did at the time.

    Nothing was hidden. Public hatred was paramount.

    Had you been alive then, you would have starved to death before being made to dance for change in the village square, where you later slept next to that village’s pet retarded cow for warmth.


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  94. I’m surprised that there are any Jews left in Ukraine, with their long bloody history of pogroms, then the Holodomor, then the Holocaust, how did any survive those times.
    I’m sorry Old Bloke but I don’t follow the historical points you’re making about Ukraine.
    Pogroms in areas with big Jewish populations began after the Russian empire expanded into new territories.
    The Holodomor was about land ownership and collectivised agriculture. No doubt Jewish landholders were caught up in the Marxist famine but they weren’t the prime target.
    Like the Polish, the Jews copped it both ways.


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  95. When I here stories out of Ukraine of soldiers suiciding by charging at their own bayonets fixed to tent pegs, then I will know it is fair dinkum.


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  96. Did not get the Medal of Honour but the most awarded medals of any US soldier. Started off as a grunt in Korea and then a very effective battalion commander in Vietnam. Declined his last purple heart as would have meant he could no longer command frontline unit. Famous for criticising the conduct of the war whilst still serving. Retired on Sunshine Coast.

    “Hackworth wrote About Face, Steel My Soldiers’ Hearts, and several other books”.


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  97. Did not get the Medal of Honour but the most awarded medals of any US soldier.

    Ten Silver Stars and eight Purple Hearts. Retired to the Sunshine Coast because he thought Australia would be the safest place to be in a nuclear war, where they spoke English.


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  98. Did not get the Medal of Honour but the most awarded medals of any US soldier.

    Rubbish.
    They’ve pushed that line about any number of American soldiers.

    Famous for criticising the conduct of the war whilst still serving.

    Yeah, as if they’d let someone get away with that.
    Unless he was a Spook and that was part of his cover story.


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  99. Been out at the coal face for a few hours.
    Has the video of BRS monstering prisoners been linked yet?
    (The one we’ve [all] supposedly already seen.)


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  100. Yeah, as if they’d let someone get away with that.

    Grigory, the US Military has long fostered a very collegiate and philosophical attitude amongst its officer class, even into its latter-day experiments with woke Maoism.

    You can express your doubts and disagreements about policy, strategy and tactics, while prosecuting your duties to the best of your ability. Both are reasonable expectations.

    Even mere diggers grumble or philosophise when the moment takes them, then get on with the job. Kvetching is only challenged or stifled if it goes on too long and upsets morale and cohesion.

    Now go upstairs and play with your warble flies before you embarrass yourself further.


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  101. No mention of link to the BRS prisoner-abuse video.
    Dearie me, it’s enough to make a chap think it does not exist!

    Praps I’ll scrollup & see for myself.


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  102. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
    March 28, 2022 at 11:05 pm

    No mention of link to the BRS prisoner-abuse video.
    Dearie me, it’s enough to make a chap think it does not exist!

    Praps I’ll scrollup & see for myself.

    Just like any criminal would behave. Just human garbage.


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  103. spent today un-hotting an ex hot-hotel

    fans were the order of the day
    pressure controlled fresh air fans on each floor and pressure controlled extract fans on the roof

    sounds trivial I know, but trust me it isn’t

    for 2 years nobody but the anointed were allowed on that rooftop and only with a moon-suit and proper training and donning and doffing stations … and probably sanitiser showers or something as well

    we are not ‘the anointed’ but did midnight remote interwebs support to assist the anointed with their change-over of variable speed drives on those fans. crucial to everybody’s survival they were

    anyways, turns out that for at least year one of those most critical and deadliest exhaust fans evah was running backwards

    yep … blowing rather than sucking

    the combined guidance from Health, Justice and Engineering got it all arse-about

    seriously we are lucky to still have a civilization


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  104. Ed case ,

    Perhaps you could name one other US service member who has a better quality medal set ? In terms of numbers he exceeds Audie Murphy who was a Medal of Honor winner. Hackworth is impressive as over period of time and from junior rank to senior officer.

    “Rubbish.
    They’ve pushed that line about any number of American soldiers”.


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  105. Former SAS soldier objects to giving evidence about alleged ‘murder’, court told
    Michaela Whitbourn
    By Michaela Whitbourn
    March 28, 2022 — 9.40pm

    A former Special Air Service soldier has objected to giving evidence in the Federal Court about his potential involvement in missions in Afghanistan with war veteran Ben Roberts-Smith, on the basis his testimony might incriminate him in an alleged murder.

    Giving evidence in Mr Roberts-Smith’s defamation case on Monday, the former soldier known as Person 66 objected to answering a question about how many missions he went on in Afghanistan when the decorated former soldier was his patrol commander.

    A lawyer acting for Person 66 told the court that there were reasonable grounds for the objection because the evidence the witness was anticipated to give “would have the tendency to incriminate” him in the commission of an alleged offence. Asked about the nature of the offence, his lawyer told the court it “would be an offence of murder, your Honour”.

    The identity of Person 66, who was deployed to Afghanistan with the SAS in 2012 with Mr Roberts-Smith, cannot be revealed for national security reasons.

    Justice Anthony Besanko told Person 66 there were reasonable grounds for his objection, and said the court had the ability to grant him a certificate under section 128 of the Evidence Act “which means that, if you give the evidence, the evidence cannot be used against you in any proceeding in an Australian court”.

    But Person 66 said he was still unwilling to give the evidence. The former SAS soldier was subpoenaed by The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Canberra Times to give evidence in Mr Roberts-Smith’s defamation case against the mastheads, which are seeking to rely on a defence of truth.

    Nicholas Owens, SC, acting for the newspapers, confirmed he was seeking to have the court compel Person 66 to give the evidence, in spite of his objection. Justice Besanko will hear legal argument on this point on Tuesday morning.

    Mr Roberts-Smith, who denies all wrongdoing, is suing for defamation over a series of reports in 2018 that he says portray him as a war criminal.

    The newspapers have alleged Mr Roberts-Smith directed Person 66 to kill an Afghan prisoner in 2012 as an exercise in “blooding” a soldier. Under the rules of engagement, persons under the control of Australian troops cannot be killed. A killing in those circumstances is murder.

    Earlier on Monday, Assistant Defence Minister and former SAS captain Andrew Hastie told the court that he believed Person 66 had been “blooded” during a mission in October 2012 in an area in Afghanistan called Siah Chow, although he was not an eyewitness to the alleged incident.



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  106. A former Special Air Service soldier has objected to giving evidence in the Federal Court about his potential involvement in missions in Afghanistan with war veteran Ben Roberts-Smith, on the basis his testimony might incriminate him in an alleged murder.

    Noel Pearson was credited with writing an article in the Oz – this is fast turning into a war crimes trial, masquerading as a defamation action.


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  107. JC says: March 28, 2022 at 11:13 pm

    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
    March 28, 2022 at 11:05 pm
    No mention of link to the BRS prisoner-abuse video.
    Dearie me, it’s enough to make a chap think it does not exist!
    Praps I’ll scrollup & see for myself.

    Just like any criminal would behave. Just human garbage.

    Er.. No.
    He’s not been proved to be a criminal.

    You should choose your words more carefully. BRS has serious form when it comes to taking action against those who say horrid things about him that are not true.


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  108. What’s a warble fly?

    In Western Australian, a warble fly is a species of blowfly, that spends it’s days hanging round a sheep’s arZe. Hope this helps.


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  109. Atlassian is probably overvalued at the moment.

    Their flagship software is quite expensive, and a lot of cheaper competitors are emerging with really good offerings.

    Many customers are currently evaluating switching over. I don’t see their current revenue being maintained.


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  110. Er.. No.
    He’s not been proved to be a criminal.

    Are you drunk or just lying, you ridiculous piece of shit. I’ve never suggested BRS is a criminal. You are. you act like one every time you show up here. You lie, you cheat and you blowhard. These are all the traits of someone genetically disposed to acting out as a criminal.

    Again, you attempted to try out your hypocrisy and lack of any standing as a decent commenter by suggesting the Ukrainian soldiers were acting illegally while on other occasions defending the SASS officer in the film perhaps shooting someone unarmed.

    Driller, you have a criminal mind which is why the banks will never lend you a cent and any manager whoever does ought to be fired. You’re a dishonest piece of shit without an ounce of integrity. And you know what, it fun smacking you around as I and others have done over the years. Because we’ve changed you and your behavior. Recall the pubbling, the Croc Dundeeing and the general blowharding? How’s the red hot poker up you fat rear, Champ? 🙂


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  111. Atlassian is a highly over-valued asset designed to suck in capital from the likes of the Turnbulls in order to close power stations. It is also a not very nimble IT company.

    The bubble will burst (sorry about the word ‘bubble’ JC, but it does resonate).


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  112. Pretty bad stuff. They abuse the prisoners and then they shoot them in the legs and genitals. Some of the Russians appear to be in shock and near death

    Yeah, shit happens when people get angry because you invade a country and start killing people…


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  113. JC says: March 28, 2022 at 11:36 pm

    Er.. No. He’s not been proved to be a criminal.

    Are you drunk or just lying, you ridiculous piece of shit. I’ve never suggested BRS is a criminal.

    In that case you should choose your words more carefully, lest you be sued (by mistake) by BRS, fresh from his deep pockets win over Ch9.

    You are.

    Oh dear, a most unfortunate choice of words by you.
    Are you betting on this? Confident enough in your assumption to put $4 million on it?

    you act like one every time you show up here.

    An assertation that may take quite some effort to back up, and which under cross-examination may prove most difficult to defend.

    You lie

    Yet you’re unable to demonstrate even one lie by me. Dearie dearie me.

    you cheat

    Again, this could prove to be a most unfortunate choice of words by you.

    and you blowhard.

    This is coming from someone who has spent the afternoon blowing hard about a non-existent video of BRS monstering prisoners. tsk tsk tsk!
    Sorta makes you indisputably a blowhard.

    These are all the traits of someone genetically disposed to acting out as a criminal.

    So far they apply only to you. Who am I to dispute your claim these traits of yours are the hallmark of a criminal?

    Again, you attempted to try out your hypocrisy and lack of any standing as a decent commenter by suggesting the Ukrainian soldiers were acting illegally

    As Ark is prone to saying: You should learn to read carefully before commenting.
    I was throwing doubt on the authenticity of the video.
    (This makes you a double blowhard – just in one post, dearie me you’re not doing well)

    while on other occasions defending the SASS officer in the film perhaps shooting someone unarmed.

    He’s not an officer & it seems the film does not exist. (You blowhard)

    Driller, you have a criminal mind

    Again, an unfortunate choice of words by you.

    which is why the banks will never lend you a cent

    What a stupid comment. One you are unable to support.
    Are you prepared to bet on this? Say $4 million that a bank would not be prepared to extend me credit?

    You’re a dishonest piece of shit without an ounce of integrity.

    Again, a most unfortunate & ill-advised choice of words by you.

    And you know what, it fun smacking you around as I and others have done over the years

    Yet you have never scored a point over me. Dearie dearie me!

    Because we’ve changed you and your behavior. Recall the pubbling, the Croc Dundeeing and the general blowharding? How’s the red hot poker up you fat rear, Champ?

    I’ve no idea what you’re talking about. Nor am I interested in a translation.
    It would take someone a whole lot more masculine than you to change my behaviour. You don’t have what it takes. Something you’ll just have to deal with.

    You don’t even have the bankbook to back the bets you make – This does not assist anyone to conclude you’re anything but a blowhard.


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  114. This is coming from someone who has spent the afternoon blowing hard about a non-existent video of BRS monstering prisoners. tsk tsk tsk!
    Sorta makes you indisputably a blowhard.

    Nope, not at all. I made a mistake and owned up to it. That’s something you would never do, because you’re a dishonest dirtbag. Even then, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a hypocrite nor lesson my arguement.
    1. You’ve made comment supportive of the SAS with respect to very bad accusations
    2. You made comments about cruelty of the Uke soldiers.

    Yet you have never scored a point over me. Dearie dearie me!

    Lol. You blowhard.

    I’ve no idea what you’re talking about. Nor am I interested in a translation.

    You do, but let me explain again. You used would come on blowharding, boring us endlessly about your pubbling prowess, how you were the real Croc Dundee etc. You avoid that now because of the mocking you received.

    It would take someone a whole lot more masculine than you to change my behaviour. You don’t have what it takes. Something you’ll just have to deal with.

    FMD, you’re dickhead. The worst.

    You don’t even have the bankbook to back the bets you make – This does not assist anyone to conclude you’re anything but a blowhard.

    It must hurt being referred to as a blowhard, if your trying to use it against me. I must be honest though Driller. Someone else came up with that description of you and I took it up because it was so, so accurate. You also behave like a criminal.


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  115. What’s a warble fly?

    In Western Australian, a warble fly is a species of blowfly, that spends it’s days hanging round a sheep’s arZe. Hope this helps.

    That’s accurate, Zulu.

    KD, a warble fly is an English subspecies of the bot fly. A nasty little tunnelling parasite, I’m sure you would agree. 🙂

    Some months back, our resident gypsum-fuelled wrongologist decided on this here open thread, that Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE, aka Mad Cow Disease) was not caused by prions turning steers’ brains to mush. But was in fact a lethal adverse reaction to an alleged experimental warble fly vaccine. And that the mishap was covered up. By Spooks. And Flamers. Who were likely poisoned.

    He couldn’t explain the cow-human species jump that triggered the great BSE scare in England, as beasts are not known to be in the business of sticking humans with warble fly vaccine needles.

    Thus, the humble warble fly joins the pantheon of Grigs, taking its appropriate wrongful place amongst the Queensland Police’s traffic paddles, crystalline salt, carbohydrates, gypsum, Spooks, poisons and Flamers…


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  116. Nope, not at all. I made a mistake and owned up to it.

    So you concede you lied. Fair call.

    That’s something you would never do

    First I have to make a mistake. (Nice ALP style attempt at a strawman)

    because you’re a dishonest dirtbag.

    Another mistake you now have to own up to.

    it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a hypocrite nor lesson my arguement.

    Actually, basing your argument on something you made up does lessen your argument.
    It seems you’re switching to a “fake but true” angle?
    (What could possibly go wrong with that?)

    1. You’ve made comment supportive of the SAS with respect to very bad accusations

    So what?
    (I said the accusations are to date without substantiation – the same theme you’ve adopted for this thread.)

    2. You made comments about cruelty of the Uke soldiers.

    So what?I raised a query regards the authenticity of the video.

    Your mouth has made a bet your bank account cannot back.
    That pretty much ends you as a serious commenter.

    Game Over.


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  117. And that the mishap was covered up. By Spooks. And Flamers. Who were likely poisoned.

    Ah. Poisoned spook flamers. Again. Someone should Do Something.


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  118. Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE, aka Mad Cow Disease)

    Two cows in a English paddock 15 years ago, standing around near the fenceline watching the traffic go past.

    One cow says to the other: ‘What do you think about this Mad Cow Disease?’
    Cow 2: ‘What’s that?’

    Cow 1: ‘Its a disease cows get from eating the wrong stuff. Affect the brain, and turns you crazy. Hence. Mad Cow Disease.’
    Cow 2: ‘Doesn’t bother me, mate.’

    Cow 1: ‘What? How can you say that? It turns cows insane! How can you say it doesn’t bother you?’
    Cow 2: ‘Because I’m a tractor.’


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  119. JC says: March 29, 2022 at 12:51 am

    Driller You’re pathetic.

    Coming from someone who cannot back their bets? Lol.
    You’ll never have what it takes to back your mouth.

    I own you.
    Game Over.


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  120. Two cows in an Australian paddock, yesterday, standing around the fenceline watching the traffic go past. They do this for hours, chewing their cud.

    Cow 1 turns to Cow 2 and goes; ‘MMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.’
    Cow 2 looks back at Cow 1 and goes: ‘Read my mind, Daryl. Was just about to say that.’


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  121. Most accurate self-description on the Cat in ages:

    JC says: March 29, 2022 at 1:00 am
    Blowhard

    Well done that Cat!


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  122. Cow 1 turns to Cow 2 and goes; ‘MMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.’
    Cow 2 looks back at Cow 1 and goes: ‘Read my mind, Daryl. Was just about to say that.’

    Trans friendly cow joke, nice.


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  123. I’m still baffled why you would pay for Atlassian’s software.

    Unless it’s specialised stats stuff or a phone app, you can just write a macro for it.

    Instant messaging has been around for decades.


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  124. Ed Casesays:
    March 28, 2022 at 10:33 pm
    Did not get the Medal of Honour but the most awarded medals of any US soldier.

    Rubbish.
    They’ve pushed that line about any number of American soldiers.

    Famous for criticising the conduct of the war whilst still serving.

    Yeah, as if they’d let someone get away with that.
    Unless he was a Spook and that was part of his cover story.

    Good old Dickless Ed. If in doubt, spin about spooks, and add in flamers for good measure. Never any actual evidence, though. Just random assertions.

    Read up those memoirs of Australian soldiers who served on the Kokoda Trail yet, Dickless?


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