1,470 thoughts on “Open Thread – Wed 13 July 2022”

  1. Why you’re likely to get reinfected with COVID-19 this winter

    Australians who have recovered from COVID-19 infections are being urged to isolate and test if they show symptoms of the virus again after as little as four weeks, in updated health advice about the newly dominant BA.4 and BA.5 sub-variants.

    Down from 12 weeks, the latest Australian Health Protection Principal Committee advice says reinfection can occur as quickly as 28 days, because of heightened immune escape associated with the sub-variants. The evolving virus means combined antibodies from vaccines and previous infections offer limited ongoing protection.

    “People who test positive to COVID-19 more than 28 days after ending isolation due to previous infection should be reported and managed as new cases,” the AHPPC said in a statement.

    The previous 12-week protection window was based on the delta strain, which is a less diverse version of the virus.

    “We’re urging people who have recently had COVID-19, even if they left isolation in the past four weeks, not to be complacent. If you develop symptoms again, make sure to test and isolate,” NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said this week.

    “The omicron BA.4 and BA.5 sub-variants are circulating widely in NSW. They are more able to evade immunity gained from previous infection and vaccination reinfection is more likely and possible just weeks after a prior infection.”

    The recommended interval between a confirmed COVID-19 infection and a vaccine booster dose remains three months.

    Healthdirect Australia chief medical officer Nirvana Luckraj told The Australian Financial Review anyone who has tested positive to COVID-19 should be aware they can be infectious to others.

    “These variants are more able to evade the immunity previously gained from a COVID-19 infection or from vaccination, and therefore reinfection is more likely and possible, even just weeks after a prior infection,” Dr Luckraj said.

    “There’s lots of information out there available to people who’ve just had COVID-19.”

    Healthdirect?provides health advice online and over the phone 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Funded by the federal government, it offers tools including online risk and symptom checkers for COVID-19.

    The service also operates the national COVID-19 helpline.

    “Basically, if you’re still showing symptoms after 28 days from coming out of isolation, you really need to retest yourself to see if you still have COVID-19, or a new infection,” Dr Luckraj said.

    “Even if you have symptoms, without having confirmed COVID-19, you should be isolating. Because there’s a lot of flu around right now as well and we are trying to keep all respiratory illnesses at bay.

    “Those who have other respiratory illnesses and COVID-19 could potentially have a more severe illness such as flu and COVID-19.”

    The current third wave of omicron infections is expected to peak in August in Australia. BA.4 and BA.5 are expected to continue to cause increases in new cases, reinfections and hospital admissions.

    Victoria’s Health Department said on Thursday there had been an 83 per cent increase in the number of Victorians in hospital with COVID-19 over the past three weeks.


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  2. Secondly, the mother was clearly complicit – the perp was probably her boyfriend, and she either protected him or was pimping out her daughter, or both.

    Thirdly, that helps to make sense of taking this poor child across State lines. If she had presented at a hospital or clinic within the State, questions would have been asked. In another State, it would be much easier to make up a story.

    If so (and that seems perfectly likely) the abortionist stymied it by parlaying the episode into a beatup to protect the baby killing industry’s revenue stream, thus leading to the situation coming to light and the filthscum being arrested.
    As King Theoden observed, “oft evil will shall evil mar”.


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  3. Australian Health Protection Principal Committee

    Yup, not partisan or captured at all…

    Members

    AHPPC is comprised of all state and territory Chief Health Officers and is chaired by the Australian Chief Medical Officer.

    Obviously too many exempt people out there due to prior infections.


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  4. Well I’m glad you finally admit you suffer from Abbott Derangement Syndrome. Pity you didn’t suffer from Palmer Derangement Syndrome because it was Fatty Clive and his puppets in the senate who helped kybosh any talk about rescinding Section 18C…in fact they were leading the charge to undermine and humiliate Tony Abbott for the whole two years Abbott was PM….in fact Palmer, at the time their ABC’s favourite (all because he was actively participating in Abbott bashing), was a disgrace in parliament and he’s gifted us the bush pig from Tassie who is impossible to get rid of.

    + 468 (which apparently is the maximum plussing allowed here).
    PS. Two months on, and Fat Cloive’s video of election cheating has still not surfaced.


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  5. “Which, if you had your way, would be illegal and result in the gaoling of the 10-year-old girl and anyone who helped her.”

    Another example of why Monty earns nothing but scorn and derision here.
    No-one has ever suggested that there be no exemptions* where carrying a baby to term represents a risk to the life of the mother.
    And what if the ten year old doesn’t wish to kill her unborn child, a possibility that doesn’t exist in the mind of the world’s Montys.
    *double effect, in effect.


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  6. I greatly welcomed Pope Francis’s comments on the Ukraine, especially when he called Kirili a Putin choir boy.

    Did he use that term?

    Chuckle.

    Everyone knows Kirill is a representative of the Russian Deep State; used to be KGB back in the day, tasked with subverting the WCC.


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  7. Now, due to Dobbs and the psychos behind it, that practice will increasingly be banned and those who try to help the victims will be gaoled. These little girls will have nobody to defend them.

    As the governor said, in this case the abortion would be allowed in Ohio. But even going with your ridiculous premise, think about it this way: this might bring more visibility to child trafficking and abuse and focus law enforcement and child services on dealing with the root of the problem and maybe even to, what’s the word… defend these vulnerable children where and when it matters most.

    An important question I haven’t seen being asked – how did that abortion activist know about this? Was she told by a “doctor” who did the abortion? Why didn’t she nor the planned parenthood butcher refer this to law enforcement?


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  8. Which, if you had your way, would be illegal and result in the gaoling of the 10-year-old girl and anyone who helped her.

    I’ve said repeatedly the girl in this case should not be charged. She is likely below the age of criminal responsibility, is under the custody of her mother so would have little choice in the matter, and given recent revelations, is likely the victim of repeated abuse. Jail anyone that ‘helped’ her, we’d have to know what they’d done.

    Minors getting abortions happens every week in Ohio, and no doubt in other red states. It used to be routine, as befits a compassionate society. Now, due to Dobbs and the psychos behind it, that practice will increasingly be banned and those who try to help the victims will be gaoled. These little girls will have nobody to defend them.

    How about we start with their parents.


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  9. I’ve said repeatedly the girl in this case should not be charged. She is likely below the age of criminal responsibility, is under the custody of her mother so would have little choice in the matter, and given recent revelations, is likely the victim of repeated abuse. Jail anyone that ‘helped’ her, we’d have to know what they’d done.

    Ah right, so you would gaol anyone who helped her, thus ensuring that no one in the health system would help her, and she would have to carry the baby to term. Or get a coat hanger job in an alley way.

    She is in a terrible situation, but your policies make her life a lot worse, and it will get worse the more your policies are implemented.

    Ultimately, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you want the little girl to suffer, because your policies only add to her suffering and you don’t seem to care about that.


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  10. I greatly welcomed Pope Francis’s comments on the Ukraine,

    Did he also condemn the 8 year long terror campaign against peaceful, mostly Orthodox Christian, population of the Eastern Ukraine?


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  11. Very sad. He should have leaned by now to mind his own business.

    An off-duty cop has been permanently paralyzed from the waist down after being shot “dead center in the back” while helping to break up a bar fight in crime-ridden Chicago, according to prosecutors and his family.

    Police confirmed Tuesday that three men had been arrested, including accused shooter Bryant Hayes, 22, who faces a slew of charges, including attempted murder.

    Justen Krismantis, also 22, allegedly handed the gun to Hayes and faces the same charges. Demetrius Harrell, 28, is charged with taking the gun from Hayes and firing it down the street toward Golden and others.


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  12. Agreed Joh. He will not be up just against the pro lifer but also the open borders mob as well so until the Congress changes side I don’t see him getting anywhere regrettably.

    Personally I think where he can make a difference is, those who can be proved to have not reported this inline with regulations be struck off medical registers and fined or fired as a bare minimum. Sounds like the perpetrator wasn’t even arrested till some started asking questions.

    One of my family members has a friend who worked on the Rotherham case. I have heard enough about that to be concerned that there were some parallel circumstances going on here.


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  13. Did he also condemn the 8 year long terror campaign against peaceful, mostly Orthodox Christian, population of the Eastern Ukraine?

    I don’t have the text of that particular statement to hand, but to his credit, Francis has elsewhere warned of viewing this conflict in simplistic, black and white terms, saying there is responsibility on both sides.


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  14. Rockdoctor, I too have wondered if members of the constabulary and social workers and the rest were involved in the sexual abuse of children.

    No doubt political correctness played a role, but there is plenty of evidence that pedos have social media networks that connect those with similar proclivities. Unsurprisingly, nothing like that has ever been uncovered by the slovenly, braindead and paid off ‘investigators.’


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  15. Thousands of Black and Latino former teachers in New York City stand to collect more than $1 billion after the city recently stopped fighting a decadeslong discrimination lawsuit that found a licensing test was biased.

    The concession by the city in recent months means around 4,700 onetime New York City teachers who were demoted or fired since 1995 because they couldn’t pass the state licensing exam can go to court to collect a piece of the funds. So far, $835 million in judgments have been awarded to more than half that group, and the city said it would set aside nearly $1.8 billion in the coming years to cover all potential claims.


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  16. I don’t have the text of that particular statement to hand, but to his credit, Francis has elsewhere warned of viewing this conflict in simplistic, black and white terms, saying there is responsibility on both sides.

    Thanks Roger. This sounds sensible.


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  17. Anchor What:

    How about the government admitting that Ivermectin etc are a better idea than “boosters” of the same old rubbish they foisted on us last time?

    Do not mock the Ones Who Rule over us.
    To even suggest fallibility is a Thought Crime.


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  18. I mentioned I was watching the series McCallum starring John Hannah the other day 5.5 out of 10, no problem with the actors but the plots were tenuous, in just about every episode one or other or all of the staff of the pathology lab were somehow directly involved in the murder, stretching the ‘what at the odds’ meme to breaking point. Perhaps it was more tolerable when aired weekly back in the day.
    The 2004 two part mini suspense series ‘Amnesia’ starring Hannah, while predictable enough, was nevertheless much better.
    On Prime if you have access.


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  19. She is in a terrible situation, but your policies make her life a lot worse, and it will get worse the more your policies are implemented.

    You have tunnel vision as to what represents a good outcome. Having lived life without having murdered anyone is a wonderful thing.

    As mentioned previously, there is a complete lack of follow up on any of these terrible fringe cases, which indicates to me that the outcomes don’t fit either your or the media’s narrative.


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  20. Just been airside, Ramp Safety Officer stationed at the gate awaiting an inbound ambulance.

    Bloke I was with “I don’t know what is going on, they’re now nearly permanently stationed there waiting to escort ambulances.”


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  21. m0nty-fa

    Ah yes, any other subject, anything else to think about other than the barbaric effects of Dobbs.

    You lot are so predictable in your intellectual dishonesty.

    Ah yes, any other subject, anything else to think about other than the barbaric effects of late-term abortions, sex-selection abortions or “lifestyle” abortions.

    You and your ilk are so predictable in your intellectual dishonesty.


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  22. Whataboutism is a classic example of intellectual dishonesty. Hoist with your own petard, Cassie.

    So sez m0nty-fa, whom has been nothing but “whataboutism” since this hit the news. Whatabout the other minors? Whatabout the eeeevillll Republicans? and so on, ad infinitum.

    Hoist with his own petard!


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  23. johannasays:
    July 15, 2022 at 2:02 pm
    Rockdoctor, the Governor was set up, big time.

    I hope he is an Old Testament type.

    He now knows the state of his “Deep State”, they work for others, not the people of Ohio.


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  24. Ah right, so you would gaol anyone who helped her, thus ensuring that no one in the health system would help her, and she would have to carry the baby to term. Or get a coat hanger job in an alley way.

    Idiot m0nty-fa opposes compulsory reporting of child abuse. Then goes all emotional about unlikely (and unnecessary) options.
    Fvckwit.


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  25. 132and bush:

    This is all political theater (BIRM).
    They won’t push too hard and Elbow will be made to look strong and decisive by denying their requests.

    Undoubtably – they started this stunt with “Hawkie”.


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  26. Poor Abbott, he loves me! It wasn’t his fault it was all the others. If only Fat Clive and those other horrible people hadn’t bullied and been mean to him he would’ve done everything for me that he promised to. He’ll come back to me one day from all his travels, he promised me he would, and it will be wonderful.


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  27. Re the recommendation of the comically named Australian Health Protection Principal Committee that the vaccinated need to have another booster this winter as vax boosters have an even shorter period of protection:

    when did you last hear of a recovered unvaccinated person getting Covid a second time?


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  28. The Qantas battle: What’s happened to our national airline?

    Axed flights, lost luggage and sleepless nights on airport floors are just the public face of the troubles facing Qantas. Can anything – or anyone – restore the national carrier to its former glory?

    The leprechaun departing? As several comments say at the link…


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  29. Boambee Johnsays:
    July 15, 2022 at 3:29 pm
    Ah right, so you would gaol anyone who helped her, thus ensuring that no one in the health system would help her, and she would have to carry the baby to term. Or get a coat hanger job in an alley way.

    Idiot m0nty-fa opposes compulsory reporting of child abuse. Then goes all emotional about unlikely (and unnecessary) options.
    Fvckwit.

    Maybe he’s got something to hide.


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  30. Quadrant Magazine makes the point that, at 50,000 years old, Aboriginal culture is not the oldest living culture on Earth. That title belongs to the San people of Southern Africa – their culture is 150,000 years old. What’s that – three times as old?


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  31. Correct me if I’m wrong but I recall that Pelosi trash was refused communion by the church in San Francisco but Frankie received her in Rome. Says it all really. I recall to that he’s pretty pally with some infamous abortion activist in Italy.


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  32. Watched .. THE TERMINAL LIST … absolutely unbelievable! LOL! .. reminds me of SEAL TEAM on double dose steriods .. plot is ridiculous, the “heroics” leave “MARVEL’s” super-heroes lookin’ ordinary! .. LOL! ..
    plus one of those where being shot/stabbed/ battered are just shrugged off as all in a day’s work .. stick a band-aid on and we’re off again .. LOL!
    It is sooo bad it sux you in thru the whole 8 episodes …. hopin’ against hope for ……….?
    one minor issue tho .. our “hero” (Chris Prat who does not suit the stoic wooden-jaw serious casting tho being “producer” probably influenced his selection .. LOL!)) is, supposedly, a serving Navy Seal but apparently wandering/flying/parachuting around the US & Mexico cleaning up “baddies” for a personal vendetta means no one asks why you ain’t at your day job …. LOL!
    Maybe I got the wrong show cos it rates 8/10 at IMDB against my 2/10 …….
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11743610/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1


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  33. Ah right, so you would gaol anyone who helped her, thus ensuring that no one in the health system would help her, and she would have to carry the baby to term.

    It’s already been explained to you that where there is a risk of death or permanently impairment of the mother an abortion after 6 weeks is legal in Ohio. That the doctor in Ohio cared more about the inconvenience to themselves than the child and sent her to Indiana isn’t my problem. Still, I’d like to know more about the timeline, when this or that person who ‘helped’ her became involved, and so on.

    She is in a terrible situation, but your policies make her life a lot worse, and it will get worse the more your policies are implemented.

    Yes, yes, it is the fault of conservatives that single parents allow their boyfriends to stay the night or spend time alone with their young children.

    Ultimately, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you want the little girl to suffer, because your policies only add to her suffering and you don’t seem to care about that.

    You could only draw this ‘ultimate’ conclusion if you completely ignore or count for naught the life of the child she once carried.


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  34. Quadrant Magazine makes the point that, at 50,000 years old, Aboriginal culture is not the oldest living culture on Earth. That title belongs to the San people of Southern Africa – their culture is 150,000 years old. What’s that – three times as old?

    Your not seriously suggesting that “Quadrant” would have better reseach than “BRUCE”!
    HOW DARE YOU ……. LOL!


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  35. Who cares about Hazza and his squeeze, but there’s some laughs here:

    Duke of Woke Harry is blind to his own hypocrisy

    Harry and Meghan are set to speak at the UN, which is sure to produce the laughs when they display all the hypocrisy of the Left.

    Andrew Bolt

    Wonderful! Prince Harry will next Monday give what’s generously called a “keynote” address at some informal meeting at the United Nations, accompanied by wife Meghan Markle.

    It’s wonderful because this Duke and Duchess of Woke can be counted on to produce the laughs by displaying all the hypocrisy of the woke Left.

    Take their last “royal tour” of New York, last September, accompanied by a camera crew from Netflix, which is funding their extravagant lifestyle.

    What Netflix filmed was hilarious, but in a totally unintentional way.

    For instance, Markle and Harry had a very public and pointless meeting with Amina Mohammed, the United Nations deputy secretary-general.

    Mohammed praised their commitment to “sustainable development”, which instantly made a joke of the $5400 cashmere coat Markle chose to wear on that 24-degree day.

    Harry and Markle also strolled onto the stage of a “Global Citizen Live” concert to read a sermon on fighting the Covid virus, but struck another bum note.

    “Look at us all here, 60,000 strong in New York City,” Harry shouted, before asking: “Are we prepared to do what’s necessary to end this pandemic?”

    The cheers were muted. The 60,000 people jammed in like sardines seemed to realise it was dumb to pretend they were doing everything to stop the virus spreading.

    Markle even read her children’s book, The Bench, to underprivileged children from Harlem while wearing a $8000 Loro Piana coat, matching $2300 pants, and nearly $400,000 of jewellery.

    Worse, her book was written to honour a father’s bond with his child, when Markle has cut off her own father and helped divide Harry from his.

    Monday’s visit promises to be just as funny, because Harry will speak at Nelson Mandela Day function, whose theme is the supposed link between hunger and global warming.

    Of course, Harry could finally speak true and say, hang on, global warming isn’t causing hunger. The world has instead had record grain harvests.

    He could say what’s instead causing hunger are global warming policies. Sri Lanka’s government banned man-made fertilisers, citing global warming, which has since devastated harvests of rice and tea, helping to bankrupt the country and causing mass hunger.

    Holland, the world’s second-biggest food exporter, is now driving its own farmers out of business by demanding they also slash use of nitrogen fertilisers.

    Harry could say all this, but the Duke of Woke seems blind to such hypocrisy.

    Count on him making a fool of himself all over again.

    Herald-Sun


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  36. Just up at Quadrant – was under discussion here:

    Imprisoned in the Oldest Continuous Culture

    The frequent claim that Australian Aboriginal culture is the oldest continuous culture on Earth, measured at 50,000 years, is a curious one. First, it is incorrect. This title belongs to the San people, who have existed for at least 150,000 years in southern Africa. Second, it is curious that this claim is used as proof of the value of traditional Aboriginal culture.

    Curious indeed, since the claim, which is a claim of conservatism par excellence, is frequently made by those who themselves subscribe to a view that culture should be dynamic, embracing change, in other words progressive. The question arises of how this strange alliance between white political progressivism and indigenous cultural conservativism came to exist and how it continues.

    More here…


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  37. And, yes, as Boambee John notes, child sex offenders, sex traffickers, and the like, are only too happy to use abortion as a means of getting rid of incriminating evidence that would bring to light their abuse, keeping ‘their’ girls on the job and out of the purview of the authorities, etc.


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  38. Top Ender.

    Doubt it, I know some in the industry and former members. Joyce cut his teeth in aviation, lives for it and brilliant businessman from what I was told too. Just like most high flyers, stay away from him in a bad mood apparently, fits of rage are apparently a sight.


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  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
    July 15, 2022 at 4:20 pm
    Quadrant Magazine makes the point that, at 50,000 years old, Aboriginal culture is not the oldest living culture on Earth. That title belongs to the San people of Southern Africa – their culture is 150,000 years old. What’s that – three times as old?

    Give the “researchers” of the aboriginal industry a month or so, they will be up to or beyond 200,000 years.


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  40. Master Bob of Ballarat, who left his wife, embraced a new career as a whips and leather dom and was even profiled by the ABC, which was interested in his “alternative lifestyle”.

    One might think that being a child who saw his suburban dad go kinky-winky-woo and leave his wife just as his boy was hitting puberty, well that might be a rational explanation for a teenager turning to drugs than a cathedral goosing that never could have happened.

    And now he’s tewibbly tewibbly upset that he’s on the other end of a thrashing, this time a make-believe emotional one? Tell me another one, do. He sounds psychologically unstable, but I guess given his interests we knew that.

    I can’t believe he ever cared two hoots about his son’s welfare until he sniffs some money there.

    If this is no-win no-fee and it goes to Court – and fails – someone should tell him the catch then (as I understand it) is that hefty costs could be awarded against him personally with Shine also claiming a fee. Clearly they are hoping for a shut-up-money negotiated settlement, prior to a Court Heating, with no admission made. I hope Cardinal Pell doesn’t fall for this and hits back hard. With any luck, 7-nil should be sufficient to laugh it away before it starts. It’s just a media stunt?


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  41. Minors getting abortions happens every week in Ohio

    From that article linked to yesterday.

    An analysis of Columbus police reports filed since May 9 found 50 reports of rape or sexual abuse involving girls 15 years or younger. That number of reports may also be underreported because of restrictions on public records related to reports initiated by mandated reporters. The report involving the 10-year-old girl falls into that category.

    In 2020, there were 52 abortions in children 15 or younger in Ohio, accounting for 0.3% of the 20,605 abortions performed that year, according to the Ohio Department of Health. Data from the health department shows there were 63 such procedures in 2019, 54 in 2018, 61 in 2017 and 76 in 2016.

    Data from 2021 is not yet available.



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  42. (plus she is much better than Miss Ellie).

    Sacre bleu. Dukes up now sfw for Rabz will be around very soon to defend Miss Ellie’s honour.


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  43. Give the “researchers” of the aboriginal industry a month or so, they will be up to or beyond 200,000 years.

    I just can’t take it seriously any more. In the name of “reconciliation”, my local shire, and Aboriginal Corporation, has a display down at the local museum. Part of that display highlights the “dark history” and “unjust treatment” of the local Aborigines since British colonization. To continue Top Ender’s theme on another website, no mention of housing, welfare, supermarkets, modern medicine…….


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  44. “when did you last hear of a recovered unvaccinated person getting Covid a second time”
    My four year old relative did, mild first time, unwell enough to visit hospital emergency the second time.


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  45. Lizzie, perhaps he may lose his infatuation with her.

    Everyone else (well the Abbott people), I apologise if I’ve hurt your feelings, I won’t post anymore about him as long as you do the same.


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  46. unvaccinated are less inclined to take the test.

    What evidence do you have of that?

    There are not a lot of us. But I have made the acquaintance of a group of unvaccinated in my Sydney area. All of them have taken a test when they have had symptoms similar to Covid.


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  47. Markle even read her children’s book, The Bench, to underprivileged children from Harlem while wearing a $8000 Loro Piana coat, matching $2300 pants, and nearly $400,000 of jewellery.

    Apparently their neighbours call her the Princess of Montecito.

    Royal Family: Meghan Markle given cruel nickname by California neighbours (15 Jul)

    Seems to quite like the fringe benefits of being a princess oops duchess. I hope they manage to bring in sufficient revenue to pay for their apparently necessary lifestyle or the crash will be historic, in a British-royalty-historic sense of historic.


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  48. when did you last hear of a recovered unvaccinated person getting Covid a second time”
    My four year old relative did, mild first time, unwell enough to visit hospital emergency the second time.

    Fair enough rosie. But I am surprised. Although I must admit that those that I know who are unvaccinated take particular care with their health and diet.

    I would always take littlies to hospital irrespective of vaccination or not, if they are very unwell.


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  49. amortiser:

    We are being softened up for a foot and mouth outbreak. This is what the WEF wants. We are supposed to eat only vegetables and insects. Slaughtering our herds is high on their agenda.
    We are dealing with truly evil bastards here. Sri Lanka and the Netherlands have found out already.

    The Xhosa Catastrophe 2.1
    Yes, I know I’ve posted on this before, but the parallels are there.


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  50. It’s already been explained to you that where there is a risk of death or permanently impairment of the mother an abortion after 6 weeks is legal in Ohio. That the doctor in Ohio cared more about the inconvenience to themselves than the child and sent her to Indiana isn’t my problem. Still, I’d like to know more about the timeline, when this or that person who ‘helped’ her became involved, and so on.

    Yes, you handwave away the fact that an experienced child abuse doctor in the field made the perfectly logical decision to shield the 10-year-old girl (who may not speak English) from a years-long legal battle in which she would become the next Terry Schiavo, a political football to be kicked repeatedly. The fact that the system you approve produced this outcome is not your problem, because you choose to disregard it, because it invalidates your whole argument.

    Yes, yes, it is the fault of conservatives that single parents allow their boyfriends to stay the night or spend time alone with their young children.

    No one is saying the rape is conservatives’ fault. What is their fault is setting up a system that adds to her trauma, and will ultimately lead to forcing her to carry the rapist’s baby to term.

    Ultimately, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you want the little girl to suffer, because your policies only add to her suffering and you don’t seem to care about that.

    You could only draw this ‘ultimate’ conclusion if you completely ignore or count for naught the life of the child she once carried.

    You say are prepared to kill that “child” when it looks like a tadpole just because its mother is ten years old, so don’t come at me with absolutist takes. Abortion is murder, you say, except when the mother is a little girl, then we will just give her another traumatic experience on top of the original sin, and whatever extra pain we give her beyond what is necessary is not our problem.

    The real conservatives in Ohio and elsewhere think that the girl should carry the rapist’s child to term, and will say so into a live mic. They think you’re a squish. At least they are not being hypocritical. They are sociopathic misogynists, but it’s a fully coherent ethos.


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  51. Give the “researchers” of the aboriginal industry a month or so, they will be up to or beyond 200,000 years.

    The thing is, no matter how many thousand years the indigenous claim to have been here, it’s not a continuous culture. No aboriginal here lives the way his ancestors did prior to white settlement. A lot of lore/law has been irrevocably lost, sometimes voluntarily jettisoned by aboriginals who regarded the white man’s culture as self-evidently superior, whether in spiritual or material terms, or both.


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  52. Markle even read her children’s book, The Bench, to underprivileged children from Harlem while wearing a $8000 Loro Piana coat, matching $2300 pants, and nearly $400,000 of jewellery.

    Absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever.

    C Grade actress.
    C Grade princess.
    C Grade influencer.

    Take the bolt-ons and $400K of useless trophy marks off and you wouldn’t give it a second look.


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  53. What we need are more ‘Abbott and the bug’ posts.
    Still think his article published in September 2020? was the most sensible and reasonable by any Australian politician serving or retired ever.


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  54. stay away from him in a bad mood apparently, fits of rage are apparently a sight.

    Be decent comedy value I reckon. Angry Irish homo dwarves stamping their feet and yelling.

    When you get bored with it, just cover him with a well-chosen designer throw rug and he’ll quieten down on his own.


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  55. m0nty-fa

    an experienced child abuse doctor in the field made the perfectly logical decision to shield the 10-year-old girl (who may not speak English) from a years-long legal battle in which she would become the next Terry Schiavo, a political football to be kicked repeatedly.

    We do not know who the “experienced child abuse doctor” is, much less their actual qualifications and experience. You are just developing a “narrative” to suit your preferences.

    You also seem to be encouraging doctors not to report possible child abuse, to shield the child from “a years-long legal battle”. Luckily you do not reside in Ohio, you might have just committed a felony.

    Ironically, as a result of the actions of the Indiana abortionist, the child will almost certainly become involved in “a years-long legal battle”. All to keep a lucrative industry going.


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  56. Z2KA,

    The beautiful man was a guard at Banksia Hill. He left because it all became too much. The stories he would tell me about the young men made me weep.

    It is so bad with so many guards suffering injury and abuse. The new recruits coming through just don’t last.


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  57. plus she is much better than Miss Ellie

    Lederhosen! It would be a fine experience to sip on a few jugs of the good stuff with them entertaining in an Oktoberfest shed.


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  58. Can anyone explain exactly what objectives have been met by Russia’s armed forces in the Uke at this stage of the invasion?

    Well it kept Tony Abbott out of the papers.


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  59. m0nty-fa

    What is their fault is setting up a system that adds to her trauma, and will ultimately lead to forcing her to carry the rapist’s baby to term.

    No. If the “experienced child abuse doctor” had done their duty, and reported the crime, the abortion could have been approved under the current Ohio law, a point you consistently refuse to acknowledge, much less accept. And did or did not the Indiana abortionist actually do the job, or was she too busy setting up a “narrative” to protect her lucrative job to bother with that task?


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  60. It is so bad with so many guards suffering injury and abuse. The new recruits coming through just don’t last.

    If the “West Australian” is to be believed, the guards are leaving faster then they can be replaced.


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  61. Yes, you handwave away the fact that an experienced child abuse doctor in the field made the perfectly logical decision to shield the 10-year-old girl (who may not speak English) from a years-long legal battle in which she would become the next Terry Schiavo, a political football to be kicked repeatedly. The fact that the system you approve produced this outcome is not your problem, because you choose to disregard it, because it invalidates your whole argument.

    How does this invalidate anything? If the doctor had done it in Ohio they could have simply applied the affirmative defense if questioned by the authorities. If they still sought to press charges, the 10 year old wouldn’t be the football, the doctor would. The 10-year old is shielded by her age. You’re simply using the doctor’s cowardice as an excuse, and the child as a shield, for their decision to go to Indiana.

    No one is saying the rape is conservatives’ fault.

    I know, the point of the comment was to show you were unconcerned about the conditions which led to the depraved act, and very likely, the early steps taken to cover it up.

    You say are prepared to kill that “child” when it looks like a tadpole just because its mother is ten years old, so don’t come at me with absolutist takes. Abortion is murder, you say, except when the mother is a little girl, then we will just give her another traumatic experience on top of the original sin, and whatever extra pain we give her beyond what is necessary is not our problem.

    Wtf? Take a breath. Again, you’re confusing my own position with the law as it stands in Ohio. The rest of what you say there is just childish gibberish.


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  62. Yes, you handwave away the fact that an experienced child abuse doctor in the field

    What’s your evidence for that “fact” m0nty? The newspaper story? Are we meant to accept uncritically that everything in the newspaper story is accurate?
    If so, have you got any response to what I wrote a while ago?

    He’s desperately trying to sustain his erection over the whole thing.
    Like when the first newspaper article referred expressly to a six week hard date abortion law (wrong) and a six week three day pregnancy, and failed to refer to the danger to the mother exception. M0nty was adamant that his psychic powers enabled him to know that the Ohio doctor was fully aware of the actual Ohio law based on a foetal heartbeat test and danger to the mother exception (despite 0.00000 recurring to infinity mention of either of those in the story), and that the newspaper reporter had got it wrong, and therefore the newspaper story supported m0nty’s assertion that it wasn’t a beatup.

    Yes, that’s right. M0nty’s saying “the newspaper story says X, but I think what really happened was Y, so that means that the newspaper story is evidence of Y”.


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  63. Can anyone explain exactly what objectives have been met by Russia’s armed forces in the Uke at this stage of the invasion?

    Land bridge to Crimea. All of Luhansk. Donestsk is now likely to fall following fall of Severdonetsk- Lisichansk as things seem to be moving more quickly now than earlier. Mauling of UAF as they’ve lost many of their best troops.


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  64. Yes, you handwave away the fact that an experienced child abuse doctor in the field

    Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job. Have you got a link for that?


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  65. Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job. Have you got a link for that?

    Try to use your brains.
    A Child Abuse Doctor would have experience and wouldn’t be on his first day at work.


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  66. Mum ‘devastated’ after judge reduces sentence for driver who killed four children in Oatlands crash

    NCA NewsWire
    2 hours ago July 15, 2022

    A mother whose child was killed by a drunk and drug-affected driver says she is “devastated” after his sentence was slashed in a shocking ruling.

    Samuel Davidson was jailed for manslaughter after his erratic driving caused the deaths of three Abdallah siblings – Antony, 13, Angelina, 12 and Sienna, 8 – and their cousin Veronique Sakr, 11 at Oatlands in February 2020.

    He also hit and injured three other children, one of whom sustained permanent brain injuries.

    Davidson was driving at more than 130km/h with a lethal cocktail of alcohol and drugs in his system when he ploughed into the seven children from behind as they were walking to get ice cream.

    Davidson blew three times the legal alcohol limit and had cocaine and party drug MDMA in his system when he crashed into the group of children.

    The 32-year-old pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of the four children and was sentenced to a maximum of 28 years in prison, with a non-parole period of 21 years.

    On Friday, that sentence was reduced by eight years to a maximum of 20 years in jail, with at least 15 years to be spent behind bars.

    During the appeal hearing in May, his lawyer argued the sentence was “crushing” and would be more “onerous” on Davidson because of his client’s attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

    The NSW Court of Criminal Appeals determined Davidson’s ADHD did not “materially contribute to the offending conduct” but found the original sentence was manifestly excessive.

    “A sentence for an offence of criminal negligence which leaves a 29-year-old man of prior good character with good prospects of rehabilitation no prospect of release until he is 50 is indeed crushing and not proportionate to the totality of his criminality,” the judgment read.

    “This is not a case of a ‘discount’ for multiple offending: there was but a single course of criminally negligent conduct, albeit one which had catastrophic consequences.”

    While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

    “His one act of criminally negligent driving had catastrophic consequences,” Justice Brereton said.

    “However, it cannot be overlooked that the applicant’s crimes are not crimes of intent.”

    The facts show Davidson had been on a bender and moments before the crash, he drove dangerously through a red light and on the wrong side of the road as he raised his middle finger at another driver with children in their car.

    Justice Brereton upheld the appeal upon finding the sentence was excessive punishment for a single criminal act. Davidson will be eligible for parole on January 31, 2035.

    His ADHD means he’ll find his sentence “onerous.” Stiff shit!


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  67. Ed Casesays:
    July 15, 2022 at 6:27 pm
    Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job. Have you got a link for that?

    Try to use your brains.
    A Child Abuse Doctor would have experience and wouldn’t be on his first day at work.

    Dickless

    Apart from assuming the doctor’s gender, you have taken a narrow view of the description. Was the doctor an experienced doctor, but new to the child abuse task, or was the doctor experienced in both medicine and the child abuse aspect? Thus distinction was not clear in the rather sloppy newspaper report.


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  68. While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

    Brereton, where have I heard that name before?


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  69. The NSW Court of Criminal Appeals determined Davidson’s ADHD did not “materially contribute to the offending conduct” but found the original sentence was manifestly excessive.

    “A sentence for an offence of criminal negligence which leaves a 29-year-old man of prior good character with good prospects of rehabilitation no prospect of release until he is 50 is indeed crushing and not proportionate to the totality of his criminality,” the judgment read.

    He killed four children and left another brain damaged while off his face and driving. How is 28 year ‘manifestly excessive’? My God, we treat life cheaply.


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  70. Ed Casesays:
    July 15, 2022 at 6:27 pm
    [Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job. Have you got a link for that?]

    Try to use your brains.
    A Child Abuse Doctor would have experience and wouldn’t be on his first day at work.

    Ed, the story didn’t say that the doctor was a qualified child abuse paediatrician, let alone an experienced one. What makes you think that child abuse as a clinical discipline is somehow exempted from having interns work in their hospital departments?


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  71. Justice Brereton upheld the appeal upon finding the sentence was excessive punishment for a single criminal act.

    Justice Brereton, you say?


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  72. While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

    Judge Brereton of the New South Wales Appeal Court, where have I heard that name before?


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  73. How does this invalidate anything? If the doctor had done it in Ohio they could have simply applied the affirmative defense if questioned by the authorities. If they still sought to press charges, the 10 year old wouldn’t be the football, the doctor would. The 10-year old is shielded by her age. You’re simply using the doctor’s cowardice as an excuse her, and the child as a shield, for their decision to go to Indiana.

    If the legislators wanted to carve out an exception for rape, the bill would have had an exception for rape. It did not.

    If the legislators wanted to carve out an exception for minors, the bill would have had an exception for minors. It did not.

    It is not the doctor’s fault that they chose not to be a test case for whether a law that did not include specific exceptions actually had implicit operative exceptions due to emanations of the penumbra, or whatever you think would have saved this girl. In the current US legal environment where conservative judges are using the canards of “textualism” and “originalism” as bludgeons to implement conservative policy, it was entirely logical for the doctor to conclude that discretion was the better part of valour in this case.

    Also, if you think the right wouldn’t have gone after the child and her family in such a test case, you are clearly not reading this thread, where you lot are barking for red meat like a pack of rabid dogs. The racism and misogyny would have been off the charts. The feeding frenzy in wingnut media is probably going to happen now anyway, since they got severely embarrassed when they went all in on the fake news angle and got burned.

    Again, you’re confusing my own position with the law as it stands in Ohio.

    You support the law, and think it should go further by declaring it a crime for anyone to help little girls in such a terrible situation, thus leaving her defenceless.


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  74. Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job.

    These straws you are grasping at, they seem unable to support the weight of your argument.


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  75. Mooving forward, apart from seeing a fat arsed Ranga, not myself, is why we are here. Not dealing with the past without glossing over is detrimental to our development. Some of can’t handle the emotional stress of confronting the past. I’ve generally found the moving forward brigade to be lightweight in their outlook. Some things are so stressful on a personal level it is all one can do. Most of what is happening today is beyond personal due to it happening to most people. Cutting the shackles to the past may sometimes require removing what we are shackled to. The shackle, a reminder of what it was that led us to where we are now. In the future don’t move on, remember what was done and give back what taken plus punitive damages. Don’t forgive, don’t forget and make them hurt. The bastards keep doing it because they can. Because we let them. No longer.


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  76. Land bridge to Crimea. All of Luhansk. Donestsk is now likely to fall following fall of Severdonetsk- Lisichansk as things seem to be moving more quickly now than earlier. Mauling of UAF as they’ve lost many of their best troops.

    Dover, things are moving more quickly? The war should have been over by now, according to what the Kremlin said at the beginning. It’s now a quagmire with Russian assets being wasted at an enormous rate for every inch of land. The war has degraded Russia’s military enormously.


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  77. While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

    Any of the bush lawyers on this blog help out? Does Judge Brereton’s sentence in this case set any sort of precedent – the accuseds’ crimes may seem horrific, but he has no prior record?


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  78. There are not a lot of us. But I have made the acquaintance of a group of unvaccinated in my Sydney area. All of them have taken a test when they have had symptoms similar to Covid.

    Exactly. I am unvaccinated and tested myself when I got symptoms. It is a good thing to know if you have it or not when you have symptoms.

    I didn’t get sick or even get a raised temperature, just had a cough, mild intermittent headache and congestion for a few days. Cough persisted for a few weeks but eventually went. No biggie, but good to know that I had it and it was a nothing burger…


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  79. How many feminists does to take to screw in a lightbulb?

    How many Palestinians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    None – it’s easier to sit in the dark and curse the Joos.


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  80. This is why I love history….from the Oz

    “World’s oldest alliance forged in a village church 650 years ago

    A little-known treaty that laid foundations for the world’s oldest alliance was celebrated with pomp and circumstance at the weekend in an obscure village in Portugal.

    A small stone memorial and a sign for Treaty of the Alliance Street are usually the only indications that 650 years ago the northern village of Tagilde was the site of a historic pact with England.

    But on Sunday the signing of the Treaty of Tagilde was re-­enacted, and in nearby Braga and Vizela, the Choir of the Queen’s College, Oxford, and the Coldstream Guards Brass Quintet performed to mark the anniversary.

    Until recently Tagilde had forgotten its role in the treaty, which was signed in its church on July 10, 1372. So had most historians. Yet its effects were momentous: it began the oldest diplomatic alliance between two nations that is still in force. Its importance was underscored last month when Portuguese Prime Minister Antonio Costa met British counterpart Boris Johnson to sign an agreement on foreign policy, security and trade. They inspected an original version of the 1372 treaty, which had been moved to Downing Street for the occasion by the National Archives.

    Portugal and Britain have revived the treaty’s significance in its anniversary year, commemorating an alliance that has endured wars, dictatorship and diplomatic spats – and promoted fine things such as port and tea. To celebrate the treaty, plays, wine tastings and seminars have been staged.

    Winston Churchill described the alliance as without parallel in history, but how did it begin? It started with an English quest for the throne of Castile, Portugal’s old foe. “The claim was made by John of Gaunt, which is not as absurd as it sounds as England had large possessions in the southwest of France that bordered Castile,” said Thomas Earle, professor of Portuguese studies at Oxford University. “It was based on his marriage to Constance, the daughter of Spain’s King Pedro the Cruel.”

    The treaty agreed England and Portugal would both wage war against Castile. It was signed by Roger Hore, John of Gaunt’s squire, and King Ferdinand I of Portugal. Tagilde may have been chosen because it was a royal possession and lies halfway between Porto, where Hore disembarked, and Braga, where Ferdinand was resident.

    The treaty’s rationale for unity against Castile was undermined by a Portuguese-Spanish peace agreement, but it led to the Treaty of London the following year, the second of a series of Anglo-Portuguese agreements, which pledged “perpetual friendships, unions, alliances and deeds of sincere affection”. Early signs of the bond were seen when English archers took part in a Portuguese victory over the Spanish in 1385, a year before relations were consolidated in the fuller Treaty of Windsor. Since then, successive treaties have perpetuated the alliance.

    Few can have such links to the alliance as Duarte Pio, who is claimant to the abolished Portuguese throne and styles himself the Duke of Braganza. One of his dynasty’s members, Catherine of Braganza, married Charles II in 1662, helped to popularise tea in England and supported the Methuen Treaty in 1703, which bolstered the port trade.

    “She is said also to have made popular orange marmalade and the use of the fork,” Mr Pio said.

    He said the alliance played an important role during the Second World War, when Britain was given facilities in the Azores to help in the Battle of the Atlantic against German submarines. And Australian troops served alongside the Portuguese Expeditionary Corps on the Western Front during World War 1.

    The alliance has survived some difficult times. The Portuguese have not forgotten incidents such as the 1890 British Ultimatum which forced the retreat of its forces from areas in Africa that had been claimed by Portugal but occupied by Britain.

    On the plus side is the support given during the Peninsular War (1807-14) by the Duke of Wellington, who defended Lisbon and Porto from Napoleon’s troops.

    Despite the challenges of Brexit and Covid, Britain’s ambassador to Portugal Chris Sainty said the alliance was still strong.

    “Our new agreement maintains the spirit of the ancient treaties,” he said.”

    Imagine Britain without tea, marmalade and port.


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  81. Interesting Cassie, the Portuguese I’ve met seem to have an affection for England, and claimed a history for a good relationship, now l know the basis.


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  82. Many are arguing points of law here in favour of Cardinal Pell. What you’re all forgetting is this case is in Victoriastan. I fear that they will financially ruin Cardinal Pell and the Archdiocese of Melbourne.

    Likewise, many want Cardinal Pell to sue for defamation. Where in Australia would he get a fair hearing?


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  83. Another heart attack at work this morning.

    I had a shock yesterday when I learnt that someone I had worked with for years, who retired at the end of last year, had died suddenly “without warning or health problems” at the age of 73.


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  84. m0ntysays:
    July 15, 2022 at 6:44 pm
    [Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job.]

    These straws you are grasping at, they seem unable to support the weight of your argument.

    I’ll take that as an admission that you’ve got zero answers to my questions and zero evidence for your flights of fancy.


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  85. While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

    “Daily Mail” is running with this story – strange, they aren’t mentioning the name of the judge…..


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  86. What/who was the source of this quote?

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:

    July 15, 2022 at 4:38 pm

    Master Bob of Ballarat, who left his wife, embraced a new career as a whips and leather dom and was even profiled by the ABC, which was interested in his “alternative lifestyle”.

    One might think that being a child who saw his suburban dad go kinky-winky-woo and leave his wife just as his boy was hitting puberty, well that might be a rational explanation for a teenager turning to drugs than a cathedral goosing that never could have happened.



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  87. Any of the bush lawyers on this blog help out? Does Judge Brereton’s sentence in this case set any sort of precedent – the accuseds’ crimes may seem horrific, but he has no prior record?

    Sentencing is generally an exercise of judicial discretion having regard to various principles. A few specific offences may carry mandatory sentences but they are the exception rather than the rule. Generally counsel will provide a range of cases for the offence and seek to argue similarities and/or differences. This case would be a precedent for the offence charged in this and lower courts. It would be persuasive but not binding in other jurisdictions.


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  88. While Judge Brereton emphasised Davidson’s “criminally negligent conduct” and the horrific result, he reminded the court the 32-year-old had no prior record.

    Did he have a Criminal Record as a Minor?


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  89. Knuckle Draggersays:

    July 15, 2022 at 7:56 pm

    What/who was the source of this quote?

    areff, I believe.

    Was there more to it?
    Couldn’t find the original.


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  90. a law that did not include specific exceptions actually had implicit operative exceptions due to emanations of the penumbra,

    ROFLMAO!

    Roe was built on “emanations from the penumbra”, now m0nty-fa complains that Ohio law might not include such.


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  91. where you lot are barking for red meat like a pack of rabid dogs

    m0nty-fa and his revolting ilk are “barking for red meat” in the form of aborted children, be they late-term, sex-selective, or “lifestyle”, and he criticises those who wish to restrict in any way the abortion industry.


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  92. Coalition of the Perks

    So many Voices, so little to show for them

    Tony Letford / The Spectator

    The numerous government-funded bodies tasked with closing the inequality gap between the 3.2 per cent of Australians who are Aboriginal and the rest of us have thus far had very limited success. Given the massive disparity in lifestyles, employment levels, income, and any other measure you can name it is understandable that Australia’s various governments keep looking for new ideas. Unfortunately, the latest scheme is yet another stinker doomed to go the same way as every other plan based on the prevailing ideologies.

    There are at present more than 70 organisations actively involved in managing a variety of schemes to ‘close the gap’. They generally have four things in common. First, they usually have flash websites. Second, they are funded by you. Third, they are almost completely ineffective and, finally, they are free from any form of independent cost-benefit analysis.

    Take Closing the Gap, an organisation mainly funded by various government bodies. According to its website, their objective is to ‘enable Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and governments to work together to overcome the inequality experienced by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and achieve life outcomes equal to all Australians’.

    The organisation was ‘developed in genuine partnership between Australian governments and the Coalition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peak Organisations’ (the Coalition of Peaks), to ensure that ‘the views and expertise of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, including Elders, Traditional Owners and Native Title holders, communities and organisations will continue to provide central guidance to…national governments’. The Coalition of the Peaks is, according to its website, ‘a representative body of over seventy Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community-controlled peak organisations and members (who are) to be formal partners with Australian governments on Closing the Gap’. The website also claims that ‘We have worked for our communities for a long time and are working to ensure the full involvement of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples in shared decision-making with Australian governments across the country to improve the life outcomes of our people’.

    This is a very worthy aim, and one might reasonably ask why we need yet another organisation to replicate this function. The Voice to Parliament we are told ‘would advise parliament on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples’. This is, as far as I can see, exactly what the Closing the Gap mob was supposed to do. The Voice to Parliament mob argues that ‘Constitutional entrenchment is important because it would give the Voice special legitimacy and provide it with stability and certainty. The details of its design would be determined by Parliament’, according to a recent article on The Conversation.

    Recently, in the Australian, Troy Bramston also expressed enthusiasm for the Voice to Parliament which, he assures us, ‘is not a third chamber. It would only advise the Parliament’. But neither Bramston nor any of the other numerous supporters of this half-baked scheme are seriously addressing the issue of what form of advice the new entity would provide that is not within the purview of the 70 organisations already tasked with that objective. What we are witnessing is the establishment of another layer of bureaucrats on top of all the other ineffective bodies already funded by or competing for your taxes. Even Pat Turner, co-chair of the Joint Council on Closing the Gap, who is supportive of a Voice to Parliament, is ‘struggling to see the way forward’ and wants to ‘start to see some detail’.

    On the other hand, the Green’s Aboriginal intellectual giant, Lidia Thorpe, is opposed to the Voice to Parliament at this stage and instead argues that ‘We (Aboriginal people) need to protect and preserve our sovereignty. We demand a sovereign treaty with an independent sovereign treaty commission, and appropriate funds allocated…We don’t need a referendum.’

    Despite the vagueness of the proposal, The Voice to Parliament appears to be gaining traction. Just before the federal election, the ABC’s Vote Compass showed the number of voters supporting a Constitutional amendment to provide a Voice to Parliament had increased from 64 per cent in 2019 to 73 per cent today.

    The idea that yet another taxpayer-funded body will offer better ‘guidance’ to politicians and bureaucrats than the existing plethora of bodies is a fantasy that can exist only in the minds of those whose opinions are based on ideology rather than evidence. And yet this mad scheme continues to gain ground even though no one can even give a clear explanation of how it will work that is acceptable to all relevant parties.

    Recently, on the ABC radio show for eggheads, The Minefield, the ubiquitous Waleed Aly and Scott Stephens discussed the need for recognition of ‘the moral primacy for First Nations people’. They argued that what is required is an acceptance that indigenous people never ceded their sovereignty, that a shared sovereignty is the reality of the modern world and that an acceptance of an indigenous spiritual sovereignty is an essential precursor for a Voice to Parliament.

    To put it bluntly, the entire wokerati is adamant that a Voice to Parliament, or some form of treaty, is required but no two advocates can agree on the exact role of the Voice and how it will differ from dozens of organisations already advising our parliaments on Aboriginal policy. Nor do the advocates explain why the federal and state minister, all tasked with liaising with Aboriginal groups, are not already advising parliament.

    Some insight into the challenges the Voice will face can be gauged by the achievements of the current indigenous leaders. After the seventh meeting of the Joint Council on Closing the Gap in December last year, a communiqué was produced to tell the world what they had done. The members of the Joint Council, which included Ken Wyatt, then federal minister for Indigenous Australians, seven other members of various parliaments, and 13 members of the Coalition of Peaks, after much deliberation and debate, proudly announced that they had approved a new logo for the group.


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  93. m0ntysays:
    July 15, 2022 at 6:44 pm
    Incidentally m0nty, I don’t recall the story saying anything about “experienced”. Presumably you’ve got evidence that it wasn’t a kid on their first day out of medical school at their new job.

    These straws you are grasping at, they seem unable to support the weight of your argument.

    OK, m0nty-fa has no such evidence.


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  94. How many guitarists does to take to screw in a lightbulb?

    Ten. One to do it and nine to stand around with their hands on their hips saying “Yeah, I could do that”.


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  95. Bloke I was with “I don’t know what is going on, they’re now nearly permanently stationed there waiting to escort ambulances.”

    I’m sure it’s nothing


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  96. The organisation was ‘developed in genuine partnership between Australian governments and the Coalition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peak Organisations’ (the Coalition of Peaks), to ensure that ‘the views and expertise of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, including Elders, Traditional Owners and Native Title holders, communities and organisations will continue to provide central guidance to…national governments’. The Coalition of the Peaks is, according to its website, ‘a representative body of over seventy Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community-controlled peak organisations and members (who are) to be formal partners with Australian governments on Closing the Gap’.

    Does this sound like an existing “Voice”?


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  97. A lot of lore/law has been irrevocably lost, sometimes voluntarily jettisoned by aboriginals who regarded the white man’s culture as self-evidently superior, whether in spiritual or material terms, or both.

    Quite right, too. The aborigines are getting white privilege, and as a gift. Just as my tribal ancestors in Britain got civilised by imperial Rome. Best thing that ever happened to them. What did the Romans ever do for us? Lots. What have the British done for the aborigines? Likewise. Any ungrateful buggers are welcome to go and live in the outback, without electricity or supermarkets, or water. Or clothes, or transport. They’ll have their wonderful spiritual values to keep them happy, and the medicine will be chewing on bark or witchetty grubs.


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  98. Can anyone explain exactly what objectives have been met by Russia’s armed forces in the Uke at this stage of the invasion?

    Coke & hookers.


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  99. Expert says Australia is at risk of chaos on the streets like Sri Lanka because of our huge $1.2TRILLION debt and high inflation

    Bring it on! Only way to clear out The Parasite Class.


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  100. I had a shock yesterday when I learnt that someone I had worked with for years, who retired at the end of last year, had died suddenly “without warning or health problems” at the age of 73.

    Upon the news of the latest heart attack at work, my new boss divulged that his super fit reservist brother had a heart attack last month.

    “There’s something terribly wrong…..”

    The blokes and I were joking that everyone will soon need to strap on an AED when they report for their shift.


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  101. Timothy Neilsen:

    If so (and that seems perfectly likely) the abortionist stymied it by parlaying the episode into a beatup to protect the baby killing industry’s revenue stream, thus leading to the situation coming to light and the filthscum being arrested.

    I’d be interested in the results of the genetic testing to see if anyone was related to anyone else. I wonder if there is a corner of a scab being lifted in kidnapped children and a pedo industry.
    At this stage, all bets are off.


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  102. We live in a time where young men and women never grow up. It’s a common phenomenon across the West. Unlike in times gone by, Western society no longer expects or demands that young males and females grow up. Nowadays they’re locked into a never-ending adolescence that often lasts until their late twenties and early thirties and even beyond that. I believe this extended adolescence encourages delinquency and irresponsibility in both males and females at an age where once they would have been married. Once upon a time, Western societies (like ALL other societies and cultures) expected certain things, primarily that young men and women got married, procreated and took on responsibilities in the home and at work. This was all part of living in a society, society gave to you, but you also gave to society and part of this was behaving in a certain way. This is how societies are strengthened and prosper. The institution of marriage is a superb vehicle to implant specific responsibilities and promote maturity in both males and females and it is why marriage has been a core institution throughout human history. Never before in human history have men and women delayed marriage like they do now and by extension these young males and females are delaying “responsibility” and “maturity”. Marriage helps to rein in anti-social behaviour. Across the West it’s now only the religious, be they religious Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and so on who marry young. When I say “young”, I’m not talking about eighteen and nineteen, I am talking about the early twenties. Now before people attack me, I know some marriages don’t work out and I know some people have always but the institution itself provides a structure, a bedrock, a framework and a foundation for the promotion of responsibility and maturity together with a meaningful sexual relationship and the creation of future generations. Across the West these foundations have been trashed and are now lacking in the lives of many of our young, instead we have a generation who are engaged in sexual promiscuity, who are frequently suffering mental illness and emotional breakdowns, who refuse to commit in relationships, who are addicted to drugs and pornography, who think social media is the real world, who behave immaturely when they are at an age when they should be behaving responsibly and so on.

    I think about these things when I see and hear young males and females go off the rails, particularly young males and the catastrophic damage that ensues from their irresponsibility and immaturity. There’s an old Jewish saying that males need marriage more than females. I suspect all cultures had similar adages but to be fair, females also need responsibility and maturity. A few years ago, a friend’s son was arrested at an anti-coal mine demonstration. He got off with a slap on the wrist (of course). This young man wasn’t eighteen at the time, he was in his late 20s and I remember being at first shocked, then angry, and then thinking how woefully immature he was. I was, quite frankly, sickened because I knew his grandfather, at twenty, had fought Nazis. I thought to myself, this is a generation we’ve created, a generation destroyed by affluence and indulgence. They have zero responsibility and zero maturity.

    I write this because I’ve been pondering the news today that Samuel Davidson’s sentence has been reduced, and I’ve been thinking about how his grotesque irresponsibility and immaturity caused him to get into a car when he was plastered with high levels of alcohol and drugs and then proceeded to mow down and kill four children and cause permanent brain damage to another child. Remember that Davidson, when he killed those children in early 2020, was not an adolescent at the time, he was in his late 20s, and yet he was still behaving like an adolescent. He had led a life of irresponsibility and immaturity and the catastrophic result, his criminal negligence on that awful Saturday afternoon in 2020 deprived four young innocent children of their lives. Samuel Davidson never grew up and because of his irresponsible and immature actions, he denied four little children the chance to ever grow up.

    Anyway, just my thoughts, please feel free to disagree.


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  103. The blokes and I were joking that everyone will soon need to strap on an AED when they report for their shift.

    I’m working on another Sydney road tunnel at the moment.
    We’re having a really bad flu season this year, everyone sick longer than usual.

    Myself and a few close allies, strangely unaffected…


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  104. If the legislators wanted to carve out an exception for rape, the bill would have had an exception for rape. It did not.

    If the legislators wanted to carve out an exception for minors, the bill would have had an exception for minors. It did not.

    How is this even relevant?

    It is not the doctor’s fault that they chose not to be a test case for whether a law that did not include specific exceptions actually had implicit operative exceptions due to emanations of the penumbra, or whatever you think would have saved this girl. In the current US legal environment where conservative judges are using the canards of “textualism” and “originalism” as bludgeons to implement conservative policy, it was entirely logical for the doctor to conclude that discretion was the better part of valour in this case.

    Oh please. They wouldn’t have been a test case. You are pretending a possibility would be a certainty. And they were so ‘discrete’ they leaked it to a newspaper.

    Also, if you think the right wouldn’t have gone after the child and her family in such a test case, you are clearly not reading this thread, where you lot are barking for red meat like a pack of rabid dogs.

    Dear oh dear. This is one of Monty’s fever dreams.

    You support the law, and think it should go further by declaring it a crime for anyone to help little girls in such a terrible situation, thus leaving her defenceless.

    Her defence is never falling in the hands of the depraved and exposed to their depradations. Killing the child in utero does not defend the child being raped; in many cases, it guarantees its continuance.


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  105. One of the problems with ‘Closing the Gap’ groups is that they will not acknowledge any component of the problem arising from the Aboriginal side. It must always be re-cast to be a whitey problem.

    In addition, all these peak groups with their representative leaders – How are they chosen and by what criteria are they accepted.

    When we speak of a leader in the mainstream we can also identify precisely the procedure by which that person became a leader. It could be that they were elected, or they were appointed by somebody in some senior position who is also a manifestation of a recognisable process. Their position has clearly defined privilege, responsibility, and standards against which they may fail and be removed. Aboriginal elders are…what?

    They seem able to demand no end of deference but with no apparent obligation to the people they supposedly represent. Who decides who is an elder? What conditions have they had to satisfy in front of their own people? Where do they buy their possum skins?

    The whole thing is designed for writing, not for achieving anything.


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  106. Anyway, just my thoughts, please feel free to disagree.

    Cassie, it’s actually really simple.

    The progressive movement, especially the central part of women’s empowerment has created and convinced a generation of women to focus on a career instead of a family.
    Most women spend the peak childbearing years (18-25) studying instead of settling down as they would have in the past…

    As for men, the push for equality has put most men into a position where the cost to benefit analysis of having a female in their life does not work due to our warped legal system.


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  107. To the extent that it is possible to summarise m0nty-fa’s hysterical ramblings about abortion law in the US, he seems to have two themes.

    The first is that the reality that Ohio law would have allowed the 10-yearv old to have an abortion, that is not enough. Abortion law must (in his tiny mind) reflect each individual circumstance in which an abortion can be legally provided, or else misogynist “Republican” judges will sadistically prevent any relief being provided.

    The second theme is more hysterically phrased. He seems to believe that action taken against any alleged rapist of an underage child will cause that child to be somehow traumatised by the trial, therefore there should be no legal action. His position seems to be summarised by him as:

    Yes, you handwave away the fact that an experienced child abuse doctor in the field made the perfectly logical decision to shield the 10-year-old girl (who may not speak English) from a years-long legal battle in which she would become the next Terry Schiavo, a political football to be kicked repeatedly.

    Those with long memories might wonder at the contrast between this argument and m0nty-fa’s position on child sexual abuse cases of recent memory in Australia. It seems where abortion is involved, there should be no legal action against alleged rapists.


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  108. Any ungrateful buggers are welcome to go and live in the outback, without electricity or supermarkets, or water. Or clothes, or transport. They’ll have their wonderful spiritual values to keep them happy, and the medicine will be chewing on bark or witchetty grubs.

    I am aware of no Aborigine, ever, who has renounced the “white mans Toyota’s, tucker , grog and lolly shops” to ever resume the lifestyle of a Stone Age hunter gatherer…Perhaps those who stride into Parliament with their kangaroo skin cloaks might be offered such a choice…especially the women…


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  109. Sacré bleu – one of these days I’ll actually get around to spelling “li’l” correctly. 😕

    In the meantime, this is blasting on the newly reconfigured small lounge room stereo system.

    Straight back to 2004, chemically altered in the Cross at 2:00am … 🙂


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  110. The JFK tapes were the most damning as they showed all the JFK luvvies that he was busy planning the toppling of governments almost up until the time he went for a drive in Dallas.


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  111. rickwsays:
    July 15, 2022 at 9:06 pm
    If munty was allowed to abort a baby do you think he would STFU?

    Not a hope. Even if his mother had aborted him, he would not shut up.


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  112. So killing 4 kids & making another one a vegetable gets a minimum sentence of 15 years

    “Appropriate” sentencing of criminals for their monstrous crimes lost all touch with reality decades ago. At this point – we could ponder why, for example, the bryant still exists, or why the milat wasn’t executed out of hand upon his apprehension.

    HOP Time™ will be implemented courtesy of a soundly administered stamp on a piece of paper, in red ink, reading “DEATH”.

    Purely to avoid the nightmarish scenario posited here recently by Doc Beaugan, where signing the many, many death warrants might result in a severe case of “Kanga Paw”.

    You know it makes sense, Cats. 🙂


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  113. Is Monty still arguing that absolute access to abortion on demand with an extreme case which can hardly be described as ‘on demand’?

    Like me arguing I should be able to kick in my neighbours front door whenever I want and using his phone because if he collapsed in his backyard I would want to kick his door in to check on him and then call an ambulance.

    Should he not be mounting an argument where a woman fumbles contraception, gets pregnant. And wants rid of the consequence? Why is he avoiding that argument when that is the very ‘right’ he seeks to defend?


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  114. Dover, things are moving more quickly? The war should have been over by now, according to what the Kremlin said at the beginning. It’s now a quagmire with Russian assets being wasted at an enormous rate for every inch of land. The war has degraded Russia’s military enormously.

    JC, yes. Lisichansk fell in about a week or so and they said that would be easier to defend than Severdonetsk. Now, Seversk and Soledar are about to fall and Bahkmut too. They are falling back to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. Where did the Kremlin say it would be over briefly? And it’s hardly a quagmire. RUS losses are smaller now than they were earlier on and the UKR is losing multiples more now than the RUS. The Austrian Defence guy had a good summary of the present situation as of last weekend. There is no severe degradation of RUS military; likely the opposite.


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  115. I’m watching the Netflix show Resident Evil.
    Just awful.
    Terrible writing, terrible acting.
    And it’s another show filmed in South Africa which despite its best efforts it looks just so dirty.
    It’s hard to get that South African level of filth.


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  116. I just had a bottle of Cherry Tree Hill Pinot Noir. Beautiful depth, fruit, and smooth tannins that emerge slowly and are felt mostly in the cheeks.

    The label hints at careful selection of various Pinot Noir clones, as well as Pinot Meunier – at 5% to round out flavours like in NV champers. Well, that much could be marketing humbug (looks like near savant oenological craftsmanship), but I can’t argue with the results.

    I mention it because I found it in Dan Murphys so I expect it is widely available to anyone curious.


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  117. So you try to be cool
    You only try
    But you just can’t do it …

    It’s a shame
    A terrible shame
    You know
    You can look the way the look
    But I got it
    And you don’t …

    Is it the way I walk
    Or maybe how I talk
    Is it the clothes I wear?
    I don’t think so …

    I’m just too cool
    And I rool
    And you don’t
    So there …

    Is it cos I’m cool?


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  118. KD, Bespoke.
    Re the post I was enquiring about.
    I found all the information I was looking for in the background.
    And then some.
    That guy does not want to be cross-examined before a jury.


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  119. I mention it because I found it in Dan Murphys so I expect it is widely available to anyone curious.

    I got bailed up by one of the staff in my local Dan Murphy’s some weeks ago. “Listen, you are a bit of a connoisseur of single malt, what do you think of this?”


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  120. I have been watching The Terminal List on Amazon.

    I like it.

    Amazon has had a few things in ‘old school’ style without the woke nonsense. Smarter than Netflix, I think.


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  121. FMD – had to endure two pointless woke ‘welcome to country’ sessions within a couple of hours of each other.

    1. Qantas domestic flight.
    2. CSIRO technical meeting (!)

    No doubt the locals contributed much to both aviation and technological pursuits – the evidence is just waiting to be unearthed.


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  122. feelthebernsays:
    The crazy thing is that only a fraction of the JFK tapes have been released publicly.
    Can’t upset a false narrative can we?

    We’re not going JFK conspiracies, are we?


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  123. No doubt the locals contributed much to both aviation and technological pursuits – the evidence is just waiting to be unearthed.

    Didn’t you know that Aboriginal pilots, flying strike fighters, were supposed to have intercepted the First Fleet, but they were away at a corroberee on that day?


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  124. Cassie – excellent diatribe.

    However.

    We exist nowadays in a world that’s been turned upside down for about six decades at least.

    What’s the cliche? “The West won the war but lost the peace” – and did we ever.

    Humanity was at an insurmountable apex from about 1969 onwards and it’s been all downhill ever since.

    I hate that saying about there being lots of ruin.

    Just get it over and done with and reset or you’ll be existing through many decades of mediocrity you might just not have to.

    What if it’s not meant for me?

    Love … 🙂


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  125. Particularly good Media Watchdog this week. We learned Red Kezza will keep himself busy at the Byron Bay Writers Festival ( one to put in your diaries) on a panel named to celebrate Mungo MacCallum, the Platonic ideal of the Lefty j’ismist.

    Is there a more overrated place in Australia than Byron Bay?


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  126. We’re not going JFK* conspiracies

    Il Cosa Nostra, peoples. There is no doubt it was them.

    First in a lengthy queue, they were.

    *Been to Dallas (April 1993)and did the whole scientistic forensic tour, including the sixth floor of the Texas Book School Suppository.


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  127. I found all the information I was looking for in the background.
    And then some.

    Just the colossal effrontery of these people. Give me cash, for I have done fuck all.

    There are parallels to the Staindl gofundme page. Take on a shit cause, have your arse handed to you and expect someone else to pay for it. Cassie, earlier:

    Remember that Davidson, when he killed those children in early 2020, was not an adolescent at the time, he was in his late 20s, and yet he was still behaving like an adolescent. He had led a life of irresponsibility and immaturity and the catastrophic result

    It’s the same thing. Not only are there no consequences, but it’s someone else’s fault.


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  128. Rabzsays:

    July 15, 2022 at 10:32 pm

    We’re not going JFK* conspiracies

    Il Cosa Nostra, peoples. There is no doubt it was them.

    Funniest conspiracy blurb I ever saw was some guy on a doco spending five minutes excitedly telling us how the fatal shot could not have been fired from the book suppository because a large tree obstructed the view.
    Until he was told by some crusty old Texan that the leafy tree he was looking at in spring didn’t have no leaves in November, and besides, it wasn’t near as big in 1963.
    Not fazed.
    He ploughed on for another 45 minutes of excruciating dot-joining.


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  129. Funniest conspiracy blurb I ever saw was some guy on a doco spending five minutes excitedly telling us how the fatal shot could not have been fired from the book suppository because a large tree obstructed the view

    Funniest conspiracy blurb I ever saw was some guy, on a doc, arguing that Lee Harvey Oswald couldn’t have made those shots, because he was a terrible shot – someone got Oswald’s records from the Marine Corps, which showed him to be an “Expert” rifleman – eight shots, out of ten, into a ten inch bullseye, at two hundred yards, sitting supported, which was the same position he was in, when he shot Kennedy.


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  130. Is there a more overrated place in Australia than Byron Bay?

    Can’t comment, Bear, being as I was last there in 1988, mate.

    However.

    Essaying the braindead lamestream meeja’s reporting of it since then, there have been various stages:

    Barely known, mainly populated by locals (I worked with a woman who was a barmaid at the pub there for many years – run by a former rugby league player)

    Increasingly well known, attracting various human detritus

    Locals striking back, literally, against the interlopers (as claimed by Rex ‘unt)

    Hollyweirdage , in exelcis … 😕

    The sooner the place sinks into the sea or is submerged beneath a might tsunami, the better.


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  131. We’re not going JFK conspiracies, are we?

    It was all explained on an episode of “Red Dwarf”.
    They were running out of canned lager and microwavable curries, so they used a time machine to get back to the 20th century to restock, but they got their co-ordinates wrong and materialised in the Texas Book Depository, bumped Lee Harvey Oswald and caused him to miss. That disrupted the timeline, JFK’s second term was a catastrophe and caused civilisational collapse, so canned lager and microwavable curries were never invented. – and JFK was imprisoned for life for various misdeeds during the disaster. They used the time machine to get a few years forward, sprung JFK from jail, explained the situation to him and then took him back to the fateful day. JFK shot himself from the grassy knoll, and with the timeline restored vanished from the grassy knoll. Things then proceeded as normal, they got their canned lager and microwavable curries and disappeared back to the future, leaving the mystery behind them.


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  132. My God, we treat life cheaply

    Who is we, Kemo Sabe?
    If you mean society destroying, dirty rotten leftists with evil intent like “Justice” Paul Brereton then yes.

    From ABC News – The court ordered it impose the eight-year sentence reduction suggested by Justice Natalie Adams, while the more senior judge, Justice Paul Brereton, proposed a reduction of 12 years. A third judge, Justice Christine Adamson, dissented and dismissed the appeal.

    We need more Adamsons.


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  133. I note that “Justice” Paul Brereton’s other Christian name is Le Gay.
    No comment.
    Also he was so successful in his Army Reserve career he ended up as boss of the Cadet Units.
    Wow. Stratospheric.

    I’m sure he was thinking “Well those parents have had their children killed by a drunk, drug addled, speeding, aggressive driver. My decision can’t hurt them any more. Yeah, let’s reduce the sentence by 12 years because it was only one mistake. Sure it was 4 deaths and one permanent brain injury, but still only one mistake.”

    I wish only the worst for Brereton and the drunk driver Samuel Davidson.


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