Open Thread – Tues 18 Oct 2022


The Fall of the Rebel Angels, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1562

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JC
JC
October 19, 2022 6:14 pm

The possibility of Higgins undressing herself, sane people will exclude that

1. Why, Mole suggested she chundered?
1. The possibility the accused took off her gear to help her after the heave.
2. The possibility that he took off her clothes and either raped her or turned off the idea.
3. The possibility someone else took off her gear.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 19, 2022 6:14 pm

They certainly aren’t helping matters Calli. In addition to the once in a thousand year ‘event’. Fark farkity fark fark fark.
Sandbagging has ceased for the moment due to no bags.

Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2022 6:15 pm

JCsays:
October 19, 2022 at 6:07 pm
Rotten

FMD, youโ€™re so spamming the site. Pretty soon, Iโ€™m expecting ads to appear for cheap solar panels.

No JC as I like jamming things up you and Stencho Pantyhose as you are both pompous windbags and lead with the chins……………LOL

caveman
caveman
October 19, 2022 6:16 pm

All this talk of no undies reminds me of joke.

A little old lady goes to the dentist.
She walks in to the dentists office, sits down, drops her panties, and lifts her legs.
Rather flustered the Dentist says, “I’m sorry madam, I’m not a gynaecologist!”

She says, “I know you’re not, I just need my husband’s teeth back!”

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 6:18 pm

Yea, I know rotten. Just assume I’m a pompous windbag although I can’t speak for Sanchez and how he feels about himself. It doesn’t remove the fact that you’re spamming the site like a crazy old sheila looking for attention. Give it a fucking rest FFS.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 19, 2022 6:19 pm

Not for all, but many young wives and women in committed relationships love going knickerless, especially on a romantic date, when stairs might be involved. And their men love it even more! Harmless, loving flirtation โ€“ and a great conversation starter if things are getting jaded.
Hi Granny Gruesome.
Higgins was neither on a romantic date nor is any relationship with The Brucester.
As a matter of fact, The Brucester had only been working 20 days for Reynolds and Higgins only a few days.

duncanm
duncanm
October 19, 2022 6:19 pm

Ed – if the bloke wanted to rope her, he’d be in a hurry.

Why would he go to the trouble of standing her upright and removing the whole dress, when he could just hitch up her skirt ?

My bet is she woke up in an alcohol sweat some hours after collapsing on the lounge, and pulled it off before dozing off again.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2022 6:19 pm

The possibility of Higgins undressing herself, sane people will exclude that
one.

After all, mummy has never undressed herself no matter how long shes been left on that rocking chair.

Does anybody really look at the grigglebots posts and think ‘Now heres a completely normal person with a good functional grasp of human behavior”?
Anybody?

Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2022 6:20 pm

Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.

– Mae West

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 6:21 pm

Does anybody really look at the grigglebots posts and think โ€˜Now heres a completely normal person with a good functional grasp of human behaviorโ€?
Anybody?

No, of course not, but at the same time, I don’t want him to change a thing. He’s like AI gone completely crazy in an amusing sort of way.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2022 6:21 pm

Lack of undies alone will not influence BHโ€™s case with female members of the jury.

Gratified to be enlightened.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 19, 2022 6:24 pm

Rotten:
you’re a blow in
fuck off

caveman
caveman
October 19, 2022 6:24 pm

What’s the worse thing about wearing women’s panties.
Your nuts hang out the sides.
– Sun Tzu

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 6:24 pm

You know, when she turned to him in court and openly and aggressively accused him of raping her, he should not have remained silent. He should have shouted back twice as loud at the land-whale. Silence didn’t make him look good I think.

duncanm
duncanm
October 19, 2022 6:25 pm

oh dear.. I didn’t realise the bullshit had reached this level:
https://ajeworld.com.au/blogs/aje-report/marie-claire-women-of-the-year

The chooks really are coming home to roost.

btw – here’s the dress in question. https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/1c9e100a4de78daf78b37b2c35c4ba19

Cats of the female sort may be able to confirm – looks like ‘unzip the back, off the shoulders, stand up and wriggle’ to remove when plastered.

Johnny Rotten
October 19, 2022 6:25 pm

And just for JC and Stencho Pantyhose………..

A Lady goes to the doctor and complains that her husband is losing interest in sex. The doctor gives her a pill, but warns her that it’s still experimental. He tells her to slip it into his mashed potatoes at dinner, so that night, she does just that. About a week later, she’s back at the doctor, where she says “Doc, the pill worked great! I put it in the potatoes like you said! It wasn’t five minutes later that he jumped up, raked all the food and dishes onto the floor, grabbed me, ripped all my clothes off, and ravaged me right there on the table!” The doctor says “I’m sorry, we didn’t realize the pill was that strong! The foundation will be glad to pay for any damages”. “Nah” she says “that’s okay. We’re never going back to that restaurant anyway”.

bespoke
bespoke
October 19, 2022 6:26 pm

Doctor: You’re obese.

Patient: For that I definitely want a second opinion.

Doctor: Youโ€™re quite ugly, too.

H/T internet.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 19, 2022 6:27 pm

I see the Wong chap is in the Cook Islands. (No doubt be renamed in due course). Has this horrible bint been in Australia since the election?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2022 6:27 pm

This is interesting..
I hope twiggy nails the crap out of them, for a very long time now facechook has allowed deliberate scams to be advertised on its site.

Facebook concedes WA court has jurisdiction in Andrew Forrest case over advertising scams
Criminal case alleges Facebook did not take sufficient steps to take down scam advertisements featuring the billionaire

Mining billionaire Andrew Forrestโ€™s court case against Facebook parent company Meta will proceed after overcoming an argument about legal jurisdiction.

Lawyers for the tech giant made their first appearance in West Australiaโ€™s magistrates court on Tuesday and conceded the court had jurisdiction, clearing the way for criminal proceedings over alleged clickbait advertising to go ahead.

Forrest, the founder of iron ore miner Fortescue Metals Group, alleges the social media company was criminally reckless in allowing bogus advertisements using his image to appear on its site.

The three charges allege Facebook did not take sufficient steps to take down the scam advertisements, which feature the businessman and other prominent Australians.

In a separate civil case launched in March, the ACCC alleges the scams cost one user more than $650,000.

Facebook did not appear in court during an initial hearing in March, arguing it did not believe the court had jurisdiction. The court entered a plea of not guilty on Metaโ€™s behalf.

Simon Clarke, representing Forrest, said outside the court it was a milestone day as it was the first time Meta had conceded jurisdiction in Australia.

โ€œUsually, they subject you to a bit of a battle for two or three years,โ€ he said.

The brief hearing mostly centred on an application about the parallel federal court proceedings brought by the consumer watchdog.

Magistrate Brionie Ayling set a committal hearing for Forrestโ€™s case on 4 November.

In bringing the charges in February, Forrest said heโ€™d made repeated requests to Facebook to take down the advertisements, alleging the ads first appeared in March 2019 and have appeared as recently as this year.
In separate civil proceedings Forrest launched in California in September, Facebook argued it was protected from liability because Forrest had a Facebook account, and had therefore agreed to the siteโ€™s terms and conditions.

If the WA case reaches trial, it will pass over to the commonwealth director of public prosecutions.

While Meta could face fines, Clarke said a conviction would also serve as a warning to all social media platforms.

โ€œIt would cause [Meta] to reflect on the way theyโ€™re running their platform,โ€ he said.

“You used our product therefore you cant sue us if we allow criminals to run ads on our platforms using your image” doesnt seem like a 100% watertight defense to me.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2022 6:28 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2022 6:29 pm

I think we should defer to Groogs when it comes to sexy with unconscious women.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2022 6:30 pm

Richard Cranium

The possibility of Higgins undressing herself, sane people will exclude that
one.

Why? (Other than your personal preference that it be so.)

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2022 6:32 pm

Delta A

Obviously, Ed Case has enjoyed only limited experience of women.

“Limited”? That’s a convoluted way to spell “no”.

caveman
caveman
October 19, 2022 6:34 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2022 6:35 pm

Apparently dad jokes are the thing today.

Why did the pervert cross the road?

He got his cock stuck in the chicken

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2022 6:35 pm

JC

No, of course not, but at the same time, I donโ€™t want him to change a thing. Heโ€™s like AI gone completely crazy in an amusing sort of way.

Is he a particularly badly programmed troll bot, perhaps?

cohenite
October 19, 2022 6:36 pm

You know, when she turned to him in court and openly and aggressively accused him of raping her

She did that head prefect; or are you trying to be ironic again.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 6:36 pm

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JCsays:

October 19, 2022 at 6:18 pm

Yea, I know rotten. Just assume Iโ€™m a pompous windbag although I canโ€™t speak for Sanchez and how he feels about himself.

Yeah, I’m a pompous windbag too.
Even more pompouser than JC.
I am the pompous-est of all.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 19, 2022 6:36 pm

Ed โ€“ if the bloke wanted to rope her, heโ€™d be in a hurry.

Why?
Higgins was asleep after being in a drunken stupor for hours.

Why would he go to the trouble of standing her upright and removing the whole dress, …

Huh?
Ever tried to stand a sleeping drunk upright?
It can’t be done.

… when he could just hitch up her skirt ?

Maybe he is into humiliating women?
One thing for sure, he was never getting a root off Higgins using his natural wit and charm, because he hasn’t got any.

My bet is she woke up in an alcohol sweat some hours after collapsing on the lounge, and pulled it off before dozing off again.

Don’t bet any money on that, because Security checked on her immediately Brucey had left and found her naked and in a deep sleep.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 6:37 pm

Does anybody really look at the grigglebots posts and think โ€˜Now heres a completely normal person with a good functional grasp of human behaviorโ€?
Anybody?

I’d rather not say.
I’m quite attached to my skin.

Delta A
Delta A
October 19, 2022 6:38 pm

Higgins was neither on a romantic date nor is any relationship with The Brucester.

Way to entirely miss the point.

You dope.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 6:39 pm

She did that head prefect; or are you trying to be ironic again.

Cronkite, I’m not getting what you’re trying to convey. She did do that, no?

cohenite
October 19, 2022 6:39 pm

Iranian girl ‘beaten to death in classroom for refusing to sing pro-regime song’

The sexual pervert, biden, is giving them the bomb. What a pity the mid-terms are fucked.

cohenite
October 19, 2022 6:40 pm

She did do that, no?
JHC; did she really yell at the poor bastard in court that he had raped her?

MatrixTransform
October 19, 2022 6:41 pm

dad jokes

what’s brown and sticky?

… a stick

duncanm
duncanm
October 19, 2022 6:41 pm

Why would he go to the trouble of standing her upright and removing the whole dress, โ€ฆ

Huh?
Ever tried to stand a sleeping drunk upright?
It canโ€™t be done.

exactly my point, shit for brains.

How do you remove said dress – without damaging it – if she’s so paralytic?

You can’t.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 6:42 pm

Is he a particularly badly programmed troll bot, perhaps?

The programmer explained it was a sudden power surge that completely rooted the software and sent Mr. Ed into an AI nosedive in craziness. The Google AI programmers are watching it very closely.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 6:43 pm

exactly my point, shit for brains.

How do you remove said dress โ€“ without damaging it โ€“ if sheโ€™s so paralytic?

You canโ€™t.

Yea, and there’s also really no need in this circumstance.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 6:43 pm

Come on, man!
Who hasn’t done a bit of self-serve with an unconscious woman?

Someone?

Anyone?

No. Mummy doesn’t count Googlery. And she’s not really unconscious.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 19, 2022 6:44 pm

This clip of Jordan Peterson was there as well.

I like Jordan Peterson. I think he would have got on well with Roger Scruton – and by ‘got on with’ I mean they would have agreed on many things and disagreed on things, but without the silly calculus of ‘is he on my side?’ but instead enjoying the earnestness of discussion and not seeing disagreement as a personal attack.

Peterson is coming across as a little overwrought, perhaps clinging a little too closely to the point that any question is composed of terms that themselves require interpretation.

So, by my lights (as opposed to what Peterson says) I would say “Do you believe in God?” can be meaningfully parsed into: “Do you”, “Believe in” and “God”.

Starting from the most pointed object, “God”. Some people would envision a supreme being who listens to their petitions and who would perhaps tilt probabilities of events if they wish it enough. Others would ask not for favours, but instead the strength to deal with the vicissitudes to which they may be subject. Others might mean a being with whom they are able to form a mystical connection beyond this world and experienced events merely one of the finite ways to perceive the infinite.

And other understandings (where understanding is something necessary) besides.

Then there is “Believe in”. Obviously this relates much to the above, but mostly to the first two perhaps. What do they believe God is going to do? Do they believe he will steer things their way? Do they believe that he is there even though his presence is indistinguishable from mere probabilistic outcomes – even if things are bad it is his will? Do they expect him to punish others? etc.

And “Do you”, which seems inseparable from “How do you?” Do you expect immediate results? Do you perceive undesired outcomes and reinterpret the past? Or decide that God has failed when the wrong results happen? Or balk on outcomes and seek to understand God to the point that it explains away what was not expected.

When people ask the question they likely mean a very specific combination of beliefs. I can fully understand not just refusing to commit to an answer, but even refusing to commit to a question.

JMH
JMH
October 19, 2022 6:45 pm

Black Ballsays:
October 19, 2022 at 6:14 pm
They certainly arenโ€™t helping matters Calli. In addition to the once in a thousand year โ€˜eventโ€™. Fark farkity fark fark fark.
Sandbagging has ceased for the moment due to no bags.

How much warning have these morons in disaster management had? FFS.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 19, 2022 6:45 pm

And I was being economical there. I was going to add some stuff from Wittgenstein, but restrained myself!

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 6:46 pm

JHC; did she really yell at the poor bastard in court that he had raped her?

Yelled, no or at least I don’t think so. However she turned to him and directed her comment about him raping her. To parapharse, you raped me and entered my body.

He should not have let that go unanswered.

cohenite
October 19, 2022 6:47 pm

Good scene from the recent Reacher series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJdOEvMVg84

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 6:48 pm

Commandeered my brother’s beach house while they are overseas.
Just having the first G&T of the season on the deck and I spy something I really, really need to have.
A self-propelled hydrofoil surfboard.

bons
bons
October 19, 2022 6:49 pm

So, is Bent Penny in the Cooks to arrange their transition to Belt and Road or to set up our compensation payments for their sea level claim.

cohenite
October 19, 2022 6:54 pm

Yelled, no or at least I donโ€™t think so. However she turned to him and directed her comment about him raping her. To parapharse, you raped me and entered my body.

They all do that. If she had yelled and thrown a tanty that would have been exceptional, not unique, but unusual.

He should not have let that go unanswered.

He didn’t he pleaded not guilty.

bespoke
bespoke
October 19, 2022 6:55 pm

Eric Swalwell has decided what the most important issue is within his district.Last night while yukking it up with Joy Reid, he debuted one of the most egregious fear-mongering abortion ad Iโ€™ve ever seen.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2022 6:55 pm

Sancho, Iโ€™m thinking your skin care regime would make you a nonstarter for consideration in the reskinning area. Unless Mother has got one of those old lady moโ€™s things happening.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 7:00 pm

They all do that.

Really? Huh!

I’m thinking of carrying the jury over to his side. If an innocent guy is accused and the lying bitch says something like that, he should have said that she’s fat lying piece of shit loudly so the jury hears it.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 19, 2022 7:00 pm

How do you remove said dress โ€“ without damaging it โ€“ if sheโ€™s so paralytic?

You canโ€™t.

Someone did.
And it wasn’t Higgins, she was so drunk she couldn’t put her shoes on.
So it was either Space Aliens, Poltergeists, or …

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 19, 2022 7:02 pm

Ed has an opinion.

He thinks heโ€™s people!

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 19, 2022 7:02 pm

so GDP increase of around 280%, in the same period inflation was 73.29%. So if Iโ€™m right with my arithmetic, in 2020 we shouldโ€™ve all been around 2 times better off then we were in 2000.

Iโ€™m certainly not, so who my share, or have I figured it out wrong?

There are at least 2 things to consider here

1) The lie about the inflation rate: the use ‘substitution’ (eg assuming ppl will buy cheaper cuts of meat if steak is up) and ‘hedonoic adjustment’ ( the say, sure, your new car costs more, but it’s better, so it didn’t really go up) …these 2 factors underestimate inflation by half

2) GDP measures the (inflated) value of all good and services in the economy, but doesn’t factor in the value of those services (so spending to buy meth for addicts rates the same as spending to build a factory). Also, GDP is a gross figure, not a ‘per capital figure’

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 7:06 pm

And it wasnโ€™t Higgins, she was so drunk she couldnโ€™t put her shoes on.

Mr Ed. You don’t flat line all night when drunk. It does wear off you idiot.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 7:06 pm

Also, GDP is a gross figure, not a โ€˜per capital figureโ€™

It can and should be shown that way.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 19, 2022 7:06 pm

Iโ€™m thinking of carrying the jury over to his side. If an innocent guy is accused and the lying bitch says something like that, he should have said that sheโ€™s fat lying piece of shit loudly so the jury hears it.

An Unsworn Statement from the Dock mighta helped The Brucester, but those got banned by Kirner after the Walsh St verdict.
Those 8 women on the Jury will be the salvation of Brucey, in my opinion.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2022 7:08 pm

bespokesays:
October 19, 2022 at 6:55 pm

Thats special.. amazingly special…

maybe it could be juxtaposed with this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2IC8odAcJ8

Considering one is fake news and the other actualy took place…

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 19, 2022 7:10 pm

And it wasnโ€™t Higgins, she was so drunk she couldnโ€™t put her shoes on.

Mr Ed. You donโ€™t flat line all night when drunk. It does wear off you idiot.

Sure.
The time period between arrival at PH, when Higgins was so plastered she couldn’t put her shoes on, and when Brucey skedaddled in the Uber, was 70 minutes.
Higgins didn’t sober up from 14 Shots of Vodka and who knows what else, in 70 minutes.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 19, 2022 7:12 pm

Ed has an opinion.
He thinks heโ€™s people!

Stampy

calli
calli
October 19, 2022 7:13 pm

Cats of the female sort may be able to confirm โ€“ looks like โ€˜unzip the back, off the shoulders, stand up and wriggleโ€™ to remove when plastered.

Okay, Iโ€™ll bite.

Definitely a brief little number on top (the length unknown but a factor in the wisdom of going commando). Not particularly suitable for a professional engagement unless there was a coat to go with it. Weโ€™re talking defence contractors here, not good time pals. Perhaps Iโ€™m old fashioned.

And at this point I admitโ€ฆI have left home without a clean handkerchief. But never my underwear. In 66 years, the thought had never occurred to me. ๐Ÿ˜€

bespoke
bespoke
October 19, 2022 7:13 pm

Considering one is fake news and the other actualy took placeโ€ฆ

Or that pregnant chick being arrested for posting on Facebook, mole.

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2022 7:13 pm

“He should not have let that go unanswered.”

I don’t think he could have. As for Brittaneeeeeee “yelling at the poor bastard in court that he had raped her“, that was a performance on her part, remember she’d taken four days off from the trial. It was all designed to put the spotlight on her and all designed to reinforce the fact that she is a victim, the ultimate victim.

The sad thing is that Brittaneeeeeee is actually a victim of a lot of people, but none of those people are named Bruce Lehmann. Instead, their names are David Sharaz, Lisa Wilkinson, Samantha Maiden, Peter FitzSimian, Katy Gallagher, Scumbag Morrison, various feminists and loads of opportunistic progressive scum, all desperate to get rid of Morrison and the Liberal government and looking for a way to do it and bingo…along come Brittaneeeeeee with her amazing story.

I don’t know what happened that night, and I doubt Brittany does either. There is no evidence and she’s given conflicting stories. The whole fantastical and very fabulous story should never have been brought to trial. If anything happened, it was most likely a pash and some groping. I suspect she feels shame and remorse for what happened, but shame should not be used to put a innocent man behind bars for a heinous crime. I’ve spoken to many women, young and old and we all agree that if you wake naked on a couch in minister’s office, and you suspect that a man had raped you, you’d go straight to a doctor the following day. Oh and speaking as a woman, I am quite sure she would have known the following morning if a man had either attempted to or had penetrated her, vaginally or anally, so I’m curious as to why she didn’t seek medical advise.

mem
mem
October 19, 2022 7:14 pm

Lysandersays:
October 19, 2022 at 4:52 pm
Before they departed the courtroom, four members of the panel were randomly balloted off by the judgeโ€™s associate, leaving eight women and four men to consider the charge before them.

Unfair, they left the majority of women to do the work!

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 7:15 pm

Higgins didnโ€™t sober up from 14 Shots of Vodka and who knows what else, in 70 minutes.

She’s obviously lying about the 14 shots, you idiot. She upped the number to make her case sound better.

duncanm
duncanm
October 19, 2022 7:16 pm

Ed,

you really are obtuse.

For all we know, she went straight to the couch (remember she walked to the office), slipped off the dress expecting to attract some nooky and promptly fell asleep.

That scenario is just as likely as almost any other

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2022 7:16 pm

An Unsworn Statement from the Dock mighta helped The Brucester, but those got banned by Kirner after the Walsh St verdict.

How are what is banned in the Victorian Courts affect what’s legal in the ACT Courts?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 19, 2022 7:17 pm

Actually, looking back, the โ€˜do youโ€™ examples are more โ€˜how do you believeโ€™.

โ€˜Do youโ€™ would be more along the lines of whether you act truly according to what you believe.

If you believe God throws problems your way to test your resolve, but you respond to problems with anger and blaming others then it is different to accepting events as what he wants you to own.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 19, 2022 7:21 pm

Murray River could EXCEED 94.77 metres!

Paging Robyn “100m” Williams!

(Climate bedwetting ancient history.)

calli
calli
October 19, 2022 7:21 pm

As for the Marie Claire article, BHโ€™s job was media liaison. Clearly good at that all the way through. A consistent performer in fact.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 7:25 pm

H B Bearsays:

October 19, 2022 at 6:55 pm

Sancho, Iโ€™m thinking your skin care regime would make you a nonstarter for consideration in the reskinning area.

KD claims to have a bit of scar tissue.
Jeez.
Googles would struggle to get enough unmarked skin off me for a pair of driving gloves.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 19, 2022 7:26 pm

For all we know, she went straight to the couch (remember she walked to the office), slipped off the dress expecting to attract some nooky and promptly fell asleep.

That’s your signature move when attempting to attract some nooky, duncanm?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 7:27 pm

Iโ€™m thinking of carrying the jury over to his side. If an innocent guy is accused and the lying bitch says something like that, he should have said that sheโ€™s fat lying piece of shit loudly so the jury hears it.

His brief would have told him to not say anything even if the roof falls in, or a Yeti walks in behind the judge.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 7:29 pm

His brief would have told him to not say anything even if the roof falls in, or a Yeti walks in behind the judge.

Lawyers aren’t perfect. Look at Cronkite for instance.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 7:32 pm

An Unsworn Statement from the Dock mighta helped The Brucester, but those got banned by Kirner after the Walsh St verdict.

Wrong jurisdiction, fuckwit.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2022 7:33 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 19, 2022 at 6:36 pm
Ed โ€“ if the bloke wanted to rope her, heโ€™d be in a hurry.

Why?
Higgins was asleep after being in a drunken stupor for hours.

Why would he go to the trouble of standing her upright and removing the whole dress, โ€ฆ

Huh?
Ever tried to stand a sleeping drunk upright?
It canโ€™t be done.

โ€ฆ when he could just hitch up her skirt ?

Maybe he is into humiliating women?
One thing for sure, he was never getting a root off Higgins using his natural wit and charm, because he hasnโ€™t got any.

My bet is she woke up in an alcohol sweat some hours after collapsing on the lounge, and pulled it off before dozing off again.

Donโ€™t bet any money on that, because Security checked on her immediately Brucey had left and found her naked and in a deep sleep.

An interesting mix of juvenile sexual fantasies, sheer fiction and straight out errors.

So, essentially a standard Richard Cranium comment.

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2022 7:33 pm

“And at this point I admitโ€ฆI have left home without a clean handkerchief. But never my underwear.”

No, nor have I. I find the whole idea absolutely disgusting.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2022 7:36 pm

For all we know, she went straight to the couch (remember she walked to the office), slipped off the dress expecting to attract some nooky and promptly fell asleep

Does that excite you Groogs?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2022 7:37 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
October 19, 2022 at 6:48 pm
Commandeered my brotherโ€™s beach house while they are overseas.
Just having the first G&T of the season on the deck and I spy something I really, really need to have.
A self-propelled hydrofoil surfboard.

Seen a few of those. The owners love them, which you would need to, as they are around $17,000.

mem
mem
October 19, 2022 7:37 pm

I have difficulty believing that the accused could have fully removed a shift dress from a reclined inebriated woman without the co-operation of the woman or without hurting her. If the dress was upped, then that is perfectly possible. From the evidence I have not been able to ascertain whether she still had the dress on or not. Anyone know?

duncanm
duncanm
October 19, 2022 7:40 pm

The wimmins collective should be all over this obscene ruling

Former senator Brian Burston sexually harassed two female staff members but One Nation leader Pauline Hanson must pay him $250,000 in damages for wrongly accusing him of sexual abuse and an unprovoked assault, a Federal Court judge has ruled.

Burston, a former One Nation senator and later leader of Clive Palmerโ€™s United Australia Party in the Senate, launched defamation proceedings against Hanson in June 2020 over comments she made in a 2019 Facebook post, a television interview and a text to his wife. He had split from One Nation in 2018.

Pauline Hanson and Brian Burston.
Pauline Hanson and Brian Burston.CREDIT:ALEX ELLINGHAUSEN

Burston claimed the publications conveyed a range of defamatory meanings, including that he โ€œsexually harassed staff in his officeโ€.

He said the interview on Nineโ€™s Today program also conveyed the defamatory meanings that he โ€œsexually abused a female staffer in his parliamentary officeโ€ and โ€œphysically assaulted [Hansonโ€™s chief of staff] James Ashby in the Great Hall of Parliament House without provocationโ€.

In a defence filed in court, Hanson said the meanings alleged by Burston were not conveyed but sought to rely on a range of defences, including truth, in the event the court found they were conveyed.

In a judgment delivered on Wednesday, Justice Robert Bromwich upheld the claim in relation to the two Today meanings only. He ordered Hanson to pay $250,000 in damages plus interest.

Bromwich found Burston sexually harassed two former staff members, Wendy Leach and Terrie-lea Vairy, but did not make a finding of sexual abuse, which he said โ€œconnotes a higher level of physical contactโ€.

He said he was not in โ€œany doubtโ€ that Burston sexually propositioned Leach by saying: โ€œOh Wendy, you probably just need a good f—.โ€ He then grabbed Leachโ€™s face, the judge found, and said: โ€œIโ€™m not joking. I can come around to your place. No one would need to know. It will be the best f— youโ€™ve ever had.โ€

Bromwich found Burston harassed Vairy over a prolonged period in 2018, including by kissing her on the lips without her consent and making sexualised or suggestive comments. The court heard evidence that Burston had put, or attempted to put, $100 down Vairyโ€™s top or between her breasts after she tried to return money he had given her in a birthday card.

โ€œShe rejected the suggestion that the event did not take place, and I accept that evidence,โ€ Bromwich said.

However, he said there was some uncertainty about whether Burston tried or succeeded in putting $100 down her top or between her cleavage or whether it was โ€œshoved forcefully between her breastsโ€.

โ€œThere was no greater clarity sought about what took place than that,โ€ Bromwich said. On that basis, he said the evidence โ€œclearly proves sexual harassmentโ€ but did not make a finding of sexual abuse.

Bromwich found Burston โ€œcrossed an important line in key areas between giving evidence of merely a different recollection of what had taken place, and giving an account that he must have known was not correctโ€.

But Bromwich said an altercation between Burston and Ashby in February 2019, during which Burston threw Ashbyโ€™s phone across the floor and pushed him, was not unprovoked and Ashby had been filming him. Burston subsequently smeared blood on Hansonโ€™s office door.

Bromwich said the โ€œserious imputationsโ€ of sexual abuse and physical assault without provocation were โ€œin a different category to sexual harassmentโ€.

Hanson said in a statement that she was considering an appeal and the court had โ€œaccepted the candid evidence of two brave women who were willing to speak out about their experiencesโ€.

โ€œI am grateful to Ms Leach and Ms Vairy for their courage and resilience in extremely difficult circumstances.โ€

But its Pauline Hanson… so they won’t be

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2022 7:41 pm

Richard Cranium

An Unsworn Statement from the Dock mighta helped The Brucester, but those got banned by Kirner after the Walsh St verdict.

When was Kirner in the ACT Assembly to pass such a law there?

You’re trying too hard, tone it down a bit. Say 120%.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 19, 2022 7:42 pm

Getting a dick up is a whole lot easier without panties, unless crotchless panties.
Personally, I reckon Higgins is a legend, and if she endorses the Republic, it’s a foregone conclusion.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 7:44 pm

A self-propelled hydrofoil surfboard.

Seen a few of those. The owners love them, which you would need to, as they are around $17,000.

$17k?
That’s up there.
But they look like a lotta fun.
Maybe it’s already on the market, but I thought an orthodox surfboard with a tiny perpeller embedded at the top of the fin would be great.
The paddling to catch a wave is a bitch.
A little boost wouldn’t hurt.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2022 7:45 pm

Delta at 6.12:

This time heโ€™s asserting that BHโ€™s lack of undies will SHOCK!!! the female members of the jury, to the detriment of BHโ€™s case. Obviously, Ed Case has enjoyed only limited experience of women.

Obviously.

Not for all, but many young wives and women in committed relationships love going knickerless, especially on a romantic date, when stairs might be involved. And their men love it even more! Harmless, loving flirtation โ€“ and a great conversation starter if things are getting jaded.

Yep. ‘Not for all’ as the qualifier.

Stairs or no stairs, it is reasonably common and has been for years. Working the door at one of the Ville’s AJ pubs in the early 90s, you used to see over-refreshed ladeees spilling over onto the deck regularly, and who had not considered this becoming an issue when working out dress length prior to leaving the house.

As someone said earlier on the subject of Brittany Commando, VPL is a thing for the fashion conscious.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 7:47 pm

There’s a medication imbalance this evening.
I can’t quite tell if it’s too much or too little.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2022 7:47 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 19, 2022 at 7:42 pm
Getting a dick up is a whole lot easier without panties, unless crotchless panties.

Another juvenile sexual fantasy.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2022 7:47 pm

Getting a dick up is a whole lot easier without panties, unless crotchless panties.

We have a winner.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2022 7:51 pm

Somebody flicks the Groogs switch from idiocy to vaudeville.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2022 7:53 pm

I think a surfboard with a shark repeller as the fin… USB charger?

bespoke
bespoke
October 19, 2022 8:02 pm

Bluetooth

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 19, 2022 8:04 pm

The paddling to catch a wave is a bitch.
A little boost wouldnโ€™t hurt.

You’re talking surfing here, right?

Frank
Frank
October 19, 2022 8:04 pm

“Getting a dick up is a whole lot easier without panties, unless crotchless panties.”

Need a name that really cuts, a name like Dirk. Dirk Diggler.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 8:05 pm

Getting a dick up is a whole lot easier without panties, unless crotchless panties.

If it’s all the same to you, I might emulate Bruce here and not take the stand on this one.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2022 8:06 pm

Choder boy is already taken

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 19, 2022 8:07 pm

May have asked this question, is Ed Peter Fitzsimons?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 8:08 pm

Mole at 7:51.
USD 3,500?
That’s more like it.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2022 8:09 pm

Sancho, order 200+ and they are a grand each!!

bespoke
bespoke
October 19, 2022 8:12 pm

May have asked this question, is Ed Peter Fitzsimons?

My bet is Homer Paxtons brother.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 8:16 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:

October 19, 2022 at 8:09 pm

Sancho, order 200+ and they are a grand each!!

Look, there is a person sitting not a million miles from here who might say “you’ve got so much shit in the shed”.
200 hydrofoil surfboards might be a bridge too far.

bespoke
bespoke
October 19, 2022 8:17 pm

If youโ€™re American when you go in the bathroom and an American when you come out.
what are you in the bathroom?

European.

H/T internet.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2022 8:17 pm

This was never the Brittany Higgins trial – but it seemed like it
Jacqueline Maley
By Jacqueline Maley
October 19, 2022 โ€” 7.45pm

It has been so easy to call it the Brittany Higgins trial.

Colloquially, that is how many of us have referred to it โ€“ a conversational tongue-slip which reveals a lot about rape trials in general, and this one in particular.

Higgins, who alleges she was raped on the couch in a Crown ministerโ€™s office in the early hours of an autumn morning in 2019, is not on trial.

Her accused rapist Bruce Lehrmann is.

He denies the charge of sexual intercourse without consent.

But sexual assault is like no other indictable offence, and this sexual assault case is like no other we have seen in Australia. Unlike in other sexual assault trials, the complainant was identified, and even treated like a hero by some.

This case has, in the words of the presiding judge, become a โ€œcause cรฉlรจbreโ€, inextricably linked with the name of the complainant.

The stakes were high, perhaps as high as the fate of the government โ€“ according to Higginsโ€™ evidence, political pressure was applied to discourage her from reporting the alleged incident because an election was coming.

The court has heard evidence of that political pressure, and just this week the former boss of both accused and complainant, Senator Linda Reynolds, was accused by the prosecution of trying to โ€œcoachโ€ the defence by suggesting a line of questioning to defence barrister Steven Whybrow.

In media terms, there was no better story than Brittany Higginsโ€™ alleged assault โ€“ a post-#metoo chronicle in which sexual crime, politics, cover up and scandal all intersected.

Publishers wanted it too. Lehrmannโ€™s defence barrister has led evidence about the large $325,000 advance Higgins negotiated via Peter FitzSimons to write a book about her story (although, as Higgins told Whybrow during her cross-examination, to her, it is not a story, โ€œit is my experienceโ€).

In his closing address to the jury, Whybrow referred to the โ€œ$325,000 questionโ€, which he said was, โ€œDo you accept beyond reasonable doubt that [Lehrmann] went in [the ministerโ€™s office] and sexually assaulted her?โ€

Brittany Higgins has been the story of the case and its centre.

After the trial, which concluded on Wednesday with the jury withdrawing to consider its verdict, we know about the dress Higgins was wearing on the night of the alleged incident.

We know what she had on under her dress. We know how many drinks she had on that evening. We know about her boyfriends and dates, the men who courted her and the ex-boyfriends she stayed friends with. She has been called upon to explain text messages she sent over two years ago.

Higginsโ€™ demeanour in the witness box was changeable and closely scrutinised.

At times, she was distressed, other times she was defiant. Even that changeability was questioned.

In his closing submissions to the jury, Whybrow suggested Higgins might be a con artist.

โ€œThereโ€™s a lot of issues you could consider in relation to Ms Higginsโ€™ evidence in terms of what you might deem to be manipulation of evidence, or deception, or lies, or being less than frank,โ€ he said.

โ€œWe have these things called con artists because demeanour is difficult to pick sometimes.โ€

On the days she gave evidence, Higgins arrived at the ACT Supreme Court dressed in heels which emphasised her height, with a small circle of lawyers and supporters, followed by a claustrophobic huddle of photographers.

She has been the subject of sympathy and vitriol. Her motivations have been questioned, her actions interrogated, her state of mind has been surmised.

As the defence has repeatedly stated, and as the judge told the jury in her directions โ€“ this is a case that relies heavily on the testimony of the complainant.

The case comes down to whether or not she is believed.

Justice Lucy McCallum told the jury on Wednesday: โ€œyou must be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt the witness is both honest and accurate in the account that sheโ€™s givenโ€.

Lehrmann is under no obligation to prove anything, or answer to anyone.

โ€œIf you believe what the accused told police โ€“ that nothing happened โ€“ you must acquit him,โ€ Justice McCallum said.

Lehrmann has remained silent during the trial and is an unobtrusive presence in the corner of the courtroom – a bespectacled note-taker who never once looked at his accuser.

His defence counsel and the judge reminded the jury he was within his rights to stay silent, and that they should draw no inferences from the fact that he chose not to give evidence in the trial.

His recorded 2021 interview with the police, which was played in court, and which he was under no obligation to give, was the only time we heard his voice.

At times, it was almost as if he was a bystander, just another person watching the young woman who accused him of rape, the woman whose name we all know.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 19, 2022 8:19 pm

I think Special Ed did work experience in Bill Shortenโ€™s electoral office.

Turnip
Turnip
October 19, 2022 8:20 pm

I once went out one afternoon and woke up naked in a field the next day.
When I say went out, I mean to a rugby GF.
Helpfully someone thought of my dignity as I was also in a wheely bin.
It wasn’t the same field the game had been played on either.
No idea what happened or how I got there.
Wonder if I have a case?
Took a few days,but eventually of how this situation arose was discovered . Funny story.

calli
calli
October 19, 2022 8:22 pm

Her motivations have been questioned, her actions interrogated, her state of mind has been surmised.

As the defence has repeatedly stated, and as the judge told the jury in her directions โ€“ this is a case that relies heavily on the testimony of the complainant.

The case comes down to whether or not she is believed.

Youโ€™ve answered your own question luv.

rosie
rosie
October 19, 2022 8:23 pm

We know her name only because she wanted the world to know it.
She could have pursued the allegation anonymously but instead chose ‘The Project’.

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2022 8:24 pm

“We know her name only because she wanted the world to know it.
She could have pursued the allegation anonymously but instead chose โ€˜The Projectโ€™.”

Yep.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2022 8:25 pm

May have asked this question, is Ed Peter Fitzsimons?

I’d suggest that if FitzSimons posted here he’d use his real name, BB.

Why?

Ego.

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2022 8:26 pm

And, BB, I hope all goes well overnight.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2022 8:27 pm

Lehrmann has remained silent during the trial and is an unobtrusive presence in the corner of the courtroom โ€“ a bespectacled note-taker who never once looked at his accuser.

His defence counsel and the judge reminded the jury he was within his rights to stay silent, and that they should draw no inferences from the fact that he chose not to give evidence in the trial.

His recorded 2021 interview with the police, which was played in court, and which he was under no obligation to give, was the only time we heard his voice.

Excellent. Gold standard.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 8:35 pm

Iโ€™d suggest that if FitzSimons posted here heโ€™d use his real name, BB.

His handle would probably be:-
“Peter … yes, it’s me.”

MatrixTransform
October 19, 2022 8:36 pm

I was also in a wheely bin

expect a by-laws infringement notice in the mail

Roger
Roger
October 19, 2022 8:36 pm

And in the days ahead, I should have added.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 19, 2022 8:37 pm

From Old Ozzies link at 5:51 PM

Thousands of small factories and workshops that supply brands such as Gucci and H&M have watched their business models unravel amid the surge in natural-gas and electricity prices following Russiaโ€™s invasion of Ukraine and its decision to reduce the flow of gas to the continent.

I don’t think that Russia decided to reduce the flow of its gas, someone else made that decision for them. I also don’t think that Russia forced the EU to sanction their gas sales, it’s the EU which made that decision.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 19, 2022 8:38 pm

Jacquieโ€™s very keen on panty free fun.

Sydney Morning Herald
Whatโ€™s your policy on vagina-based art? Thereโ€™s never been a better time to find out
By Jacqueline Maley

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 19, 2022 8:39 pm

Cassie

You have mentioned many times the changing attitudes towards Jewish people in Australia (and overseas).

As a simple example of those changes, in the mid 1960s, my parents took my sister and I to see a stage production of Fiddler on the Roof, which had a good run in Brisbane. Can you imagine the screeches were a re-run to be proposed now, with the sympathetic depictions of Jews in Russia? There was a pogrom scene towards the end, but earlier in the play, Jews and Russians were shown socialising together.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2022 8:40 pm

Whatโ€™s your policy on vagina-based art?

As long as it’s covered in Roses chocolates, it’s just fine.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 19, 2022 8:43 pm

On further reading of Jacquieโ€™s articles it seems there are few if any conservative men who arenโ€™t guilty of something in her mind.
Tony Abbott lives rent free in her head.

Turnip
Turnip
October 19, 2022 8:44 pm

I was also in a wheely bin

expect a by-laws infringement notice in the mail

We’re ok…..it wasn’t the recycle bin. I was just generally trashed.

cohenite
October 19, 2022 8:45 pm

Lawyers arenโ€™t perfect. Look at Cronkite for instance.

Perfection is relative. Take this cute owl for instance.

dopey
dopey
October 19, 2022 8:46 pm

Judge to jury. The verdict must be unanimous.
Jury. We understand your honour, we must all find the bloke guilty.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 8:50 pm

Whatโ€™s your policy on vagina-based art?

OK.
Vaginal knitting.
Is it art?
Or craft?
Discuss.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 8:51 pm

Cronkite

No kidding, do you actually like Sheilaโ€™s body shaped like that?

Dude! Theyโ€™re trannies.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 19, 2022 8:52 pm

Seriously Cohenite, stop doing that.

Cassie of Sydney
October 19, 2022 8:54 pm

“Fiddler on the Roof”

One of my favourites.

cohenite
October 19, 2022 8:57 pm

You wimps. Pathetic. A sheila should be able to push back. Anyway, here’s something more suitable for you guys.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2022 8:59 pm

Dude! Theyโ€™re trannies.

I mentioned that – albeit only in respect of one of the posted collection – the other day.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2022 9:00 pm

Vaginal knitting.
Is it art?
Or craft?
Discuss.

It’s a sport.

Frank
Frank
October 19, 2022 9:05 pm

“Dude! Theyโ€™re trannies.”

My tastes don’t veer towards girls with that many bulging veins in the forearms.

Itโ€™s Remarkable
Itโ€™s Remarkable
October 19, 2022 9:08 pm

Been watching the forecasts over the last few days, in the light of supposed โ€˜unprecedented rainfall eventโ€™, with forecasts of between 50m and 90mm over the next 5 days. Speaking here in central/southern NSW.

Now that we are no longer able to call the BoM the BoM, but must use the full term, perhaps they would deign to improve their credentials in response, by getting some things right. It is all well and good to get antsy about your name, but you are paid to do a specific and important job, and you have not done that too well for some time, preferring instead to become a major player in the AGW scam.

Anyway, the forecast is now significantly diluted, and the relatively clear sky I saw this evening supports this, I now predict we will get only about half or less of the โ€˜rain bombโ€™ that was breathlessly predicted.

It is all well and good to say โ€ฆ โ€œwell better to predict more and receive lessโ€ for rain events, when there are consequences: people putting sheep under cover, changing crop fertiliser and spraying plans, taking out hail insurance, moving pumps, and more.

But there never seems to be any accountability these days. It certainly shows in decreased quality of performance.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 9:09 pm

cohenite says:
October 19, 2022 at 8:57 pm
You wimps. Pathetic. A sheila should be able to push back. Anyway, hereโ€™s something more suitable for you guys.

Theyโ€™re not gals. Theyโ€™re freaking men.
Seriously, how much testosterone is running through their veins, because thereโ€™s zero estrogen.

Stop it.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 19, 2022 9:10 pm

What’s your policy on vagina-based art?

Well, I really couldn’t give a rats cunt about it.

Frank
Frank
October 19, 2022 9:12 pm

“A sheila should be able to push back.”

Imagine dealing with the hormonal roid rages when your beloved can bench press a Volkswagen.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 19, 2022 9:14 pm

I once went out one afternoon and woke up naked in a field the next day.

On my FA1 course at Singleton, after a mess dinner, I woke up at at 4am, still in my bed, but my bed was not in my hut, but in the middle of the parade ground. I did not get particularly drunk, but I had a snoring problem even back then, made worse by booze.

duncanm
duncanm
October 19, 2022 9:14 pm

Itโ€™s Remarkablesays:
October 19, 2022 at 9:08 pm

honestly – why bother with the BOM these days?

Use something like windy and you can check all the models they’re using anyway.

cohenite
October 19, 2022 9:17 pm

Assuming the mid-terms do go ahead, if Lake, Oz, Zeldin, Walker and Tshibaka don’t win then the US is still stuffed.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 19, 2022 9:19 pm

The most difficult part of female bodybuilding is the tuck.
You can pump it, you can oil it, you can roid it to the max, but donโ€™t let that little testicle pop out when you relax.

cohenite
October 19, 2022 9:21 pm

Theyโ€™re not gals. Theyโ€™re freaking men.
Seriously, how much testosterone is running through their veins, because thereโ€™s zero estrogen.

FMD. There is nothing like a good arm wrestle with your lady. Incidentally you soyboy head prefect, one of the cute owls I put up is a good mate. It’s great having a drink with her because if I pass out, she can carry me home.

Digger
Digger
October 19, 2022 9:21 pm

Been a long time since i did explosives, and nothing nautical at all butโ€ฆ

If the pipeline was cement cased would you end up with a clean cut through the steel pipe underneath?
Surely the casing would shatter making it much less โ€œcleanโ€ a cut underneath??

I have just seen the underwater pictures of the pipe. I doubt very much that the damage has anything to do with shaped charges. There is a large section of the pipe missing so I would speculate that the people who did this used a large (100+ kg) high brisance (shattering) underwater explosive like minol, amatol or similar charge to use the shockwave to start one of the welded joints to rupture and allow the 105 bar internal pressure (at the time) to assist in tearing the pipes apart.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2022 9:22 pm

but donโ€™t let that little testicle pop out when you relax.

As is so often the case, core strength is key.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 9:23 pm

I’m speechless. I really don’t know what to say about this.

Rasputin singing Blueberry Hill.

cohenite
October 19, 2022 9:25 pm

You can pump it, you can oil it, you can roid it to the max, but donโ€™t let that little testicle pop out when you relax.

Very Freudian. There’s no knackers on this little cute owl.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 9:26 pm

Cronkite

Those aren’t hoogans, they’re pectoral muscles, you idiot.

Indolent
Indolent
October 19, 2022 9:28 pm

The link I previously provided to Two Top Cardiologists had a few other links within it, including a short interview with Dr. Ryan Cole which shouldn’t be missed.

Ryan Cole is the only pathologist in the US willing to test for the vaccine “fingerprints”

There is a test which clearly shows if the vaccine is the cause of death and it differentiates from the virus itself. All these “unknown reason” deaths are unknown because no one wants to know.

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 9:28 pm

Thereโ€™s no knackers on this little cute owl.

I wasn’t referring to her.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 19, 2022 9:30 pm

No knackers but plenty of putty in the puppies.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 19, 2022 9:32 pm

JC
War crime right there.
Dover please ban JC for atrocity porn posting.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 19, 2022 9:36 pm

The busted pipelines?
Poor soldering.

custard
custard
October 19, 2022 9:41 pm

Here are some of the most significant notables we got out of the Danchenko case and trial.

– The Steele Dossier and its allegations are dead. The claims were made up and that is a matter of record now. Dolan admitted to fabricating his part and Danchenko never met with the manager of the Ritz-Carlton. Danchenko, over the course of 3.5yrs as a CHS, could not provide ANY corroboration. Furthermore Christopher Steele, who composed the dossier, could not corroborate any piece of info in it. Not even for $1,000,000.

Thatโ€™s FULL exoneration for Trump.

– A year after offering that $1mil to Steele, the FBI turned Danchenko against Steele and sent him back in, to meet with Steele. The objective being to gather intel on what Steele was up to and any other useful info.

– Chuck Dolan, Clinton Crony and longtime Democrat operative, was referred for an investigation thanks to information Danchenko gave the FBI. That investigation was opened and as part of it, Dolanโ€™s email, phone, and social media records were obtained via search warrant.

That investigation was later turned over and is now with the Durham Special Counsel.

– Durham put the FBI on trial via the agents he put on the stand. SIA Brian Auten was subjected to two full days of questiong, none of it friendly. We learned of the Crossfire Hurricane and Mueller SCO failures. We also learned that Auten has been under investigation by the OIG for some time.

He has been recommended for suspension for his role in the Carter Page FISA.

– Likewise with Special Agent Helson, Danchenkoโ€™s handler. He was also forced to admit to failures in regards to handling Danchenko, though there were also successes as far as the information he sold the FBI as a CHS.

Helson is also a subject of an OIG investigation.

– Durham, via the investigation and prosecution of Danchenko, obtained a large number of interviews and testimony with Spygate players major and minor. He also got phone, email, social media, and travel records.

Being that Danchenko was in direct contact with so many consequential people as relates to Spygate, I wonder what else Durham learned from such records?

HT Just Human

cohenite
October 19, 2022 9:44 pm

Thereโ€™s no knackers on this little cute owl.

I wasnโ€™t referring to her.

Well which one were you referring to. I make allowances for the farmer because he spends his life staring up the arse of Herefords but you reckon you’re a man of the world. But I should have known you have no discernment based on your (lack of) taste in starlets.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2022 9:46 pm

โ€˜Itโ€™s not trueโ€™: Final defence plea as Brittany Higgins rape jury goes out

Kristin Shorten
Investigative Journalist
@itsKShort
Remy Varga
NSW Reporter
@RemyVarga
6 minutes ago October 19, 2022

The lawyer for accused rapist Bruce Lehrmann has told a jury he should be found not guilty because his accuser, Brittany Higgins, did not know what happened in Senator Linda Reynoldsโ€™ office where the offence is alleged to have taken place in the early hours of 23 March 2019.

โ€œShe doesnโ€™t know what happened and she has reconstructed events to the point she now genuinely believes them to be true. It doesnโ€™t mean they are true. It doesnโ€™t mean that what sheโ€™s telling you happened,โ€ barrister Steven Whybrow said as he closed his defence case.

However, ACT Chief Justice Lucy McCallum, in her summing up, told the jury โ€œthereโ€™s no blueprintโ€ for how someone might respond to a sexual assault and that securing a $325,000 book deal after the alleged incident does not necessarily impact on Brittany Higginsโ€™ credibility.

Justice McCallum on Wednesday directed the jury to use โ€œcommon senseโ€ as they deliberated what the defence described as the โ€œ$325,000 questionโ€ of whether the former Liberal staffer raped Ms Higgins in their bossโ€™s ministerial office more than three years ago.

Mr Whybrow told jurors, during his closing argument, there was โ€œno reliable or trustworthy evidence in this caseโ€ and Ms Higgins, who has alleged Mr Lehrmann raped her in the early hours of March 23, 2019, was not โ€œreliable or honestโ€™โ€™ in her evidence.

The jury retired to deliver a verdict on Wednesday in the case, which was originally set down for six weeks but draws to a close after less than 12 days in court after the prosecution dropped about 20 witnesses.

Justice McCallum spent more than 2ยฝ hours instructing the jury on points of law before it retired.

She told the jury not to become distracted by issues other than โ€œwhat happened on the couchโ€ in the office of then-defence industries minister Linda Reynolds in the early hours of March 23, 2019.

โ€œItโ€™s easy to become distracted by other issues but itโ€™s about what happened on that couch,โ€ she said.

Justice McCallum said the case was not about young peopleโ€™s alcohol consumption, whether Ms Higgins liked her bosses, the #MeToo movement or book deals.

โ€œItโ€™s about what happened on that couch,โ€ she said.

The Chief Justice said the jury should be careful not to make assumptions about how someone would act following an alleged rape or invoke preconceptions or stereotypes about events they had never experienced.

โ€œThereโ€™s no blueprint for life and no blueprint for sexual assault and how a young woman might respond to sexual assault,โ€ she said.

Justice McCallum said the jury had to clinically assess the evidence without emotion and arrive at their conclusions fearlessly and impartially.

She said the prosecution had identified alleged lies by Mr Lehrmann given at various times to explain why he returned to Parliament House with Ms Higgins at 1.40am on March 23, 2019.

These reasons included fetching his apartment keys, collecting documents, preparing question time folders and drinking whiskey.

Justice McCallum noted the prosecution said the different accounts pointed to guilt but she said people could lie for a number of reasons, including fear or panic, and the defence had pointed out there were no keys in the tray when Mr Lehrmann went through Parliament House security. โ€œThe conduct of telling a lie can be explained in other ways, out of panic or to escape some other accusation,โ€ she said.

Justice McCallum told jurors to remember that everyone was entitled to the presumption of innocence and the onus remained on the prosecution to prove guilt.

Therefore, Justice McCallum said, the correct question for jurors to consider was not whether Ms Higgins had made up the allegations of rape.

โ€œThe correct legal question is whether the prosecutor has proved the guilt beyond reasonable doubt,โ€ she said.

Justice McCallum said accounts of the alleged rape Ms Higgins gave to others over three and a half years were allowed as evidence to demonstrate a consistency in her claims but told jurors saying something repeatedly did not necessarily mean it was accurate.

She said the jurors would need to assess whether a witness was honest or reliable, noting memory and observations of events could be defective while some events were more likely to be imprinted in memory than others.

Justice McCallum said the principal issue in the trial was whether sexual intercourse took place and โ€“ if it had โ€“ whether Ms Higgins consented.

She said consent had to be given freely and communicated through words or actions to the other person and a person could not consent if they were unconscious, asleep or too intoxicated.

The jury also needed to consider, Justice McCallum said, Mr Lehrmannโ€™s state of mind and whether he was reckless towards whether Ms Higgins was consenting.

Justice McCallum said Ms Higgins had spent the most time in the witness box of any witness.

She said Mr Lehrmann had a right not to give evidence and was not required to give an interview with the Australian Federal Police, which he did on April 19, 2021.

โ€œThe decision not to give evidence cannot be used against him (in) anyway,โ€ she said.

Justice McCallum said the decision not to take the stand was not an admission of guilt and the onus of proof never shifted from the prosecution to the defence.

โ€œThe accused must be found not guilty if the burden of proof hasnโ€™t been met,โ€ she said.

Before the judgeโ€™s warning, Mr Lehrmannโ€™s barrister assured the jurors โ€œyou will have reasonable doubtโ€ because Ms Higgins evidence was โ€œnot reliable or honestโ€.

โ€œThe $64,000 question โ€“ or perhaps, in Higgins’s case, the $325,000 question โ€“ is โ€˜do you accept beyond reasonable doubt that he was there and sexually assaulted her?โ€™.โ€

Mr Whybrow said that Ms Higgins didnโ€™t go to a doctor or make a police complaint following the alleged rape.

โ€œWe get to (the) end of 2020, start of 2021, and she talks to (journalist) Samantha Maiden, talks to The Project, talks to police, gets a book deal for $325,000, this is a big story,โ€ he said. โ€œThere are at least 325,000 reasons why this case is now important to her from her perspective.โ€

Mr Whybrow said Ms Higgins’s evidence contained manipulation, deception, lies or was โ€œless than frankโ€ and asked jurors if they could be โ€œsatisfied beyond reasonable doubtโ€ that her version of events was accurate.

โ€œIs she that good of an actor? Who knows,โ€ he said. โ€œWe have these things called con artists because demeanour is difficult to pick up on sometimes.

โ€œIโ€™m not suggesting Ms Higgins’s demeanour or the way she reacted in that witness box was an act. I donโ€™t know.โ€

Mr Whybrow said Mr Lehrmannโ€™s demeanour and โ€œthe way he answered questionsโ€ during his police interview told another story. โ€œAbout how his life came crashing down out of the blue over a night he had not thought of since,โ€ he said.

โ€œThey were powerful and compelling, genuine statements. This (rape) did not happen.โ€

Mr Whybrow urged the jury to consider whether Ms Higgins was a โ€œreliable historianโ€ and whether her account was sufficiently reliable to convict Mr Lehrmann.

Mr Whybrow said instead of contemporaneous evidence of the alleged rape, there were โ€œcontemporaneous liesโ€.

He said there was no DNA and no evidence other than Ms Higgins’s statements and observations of her demeanour over the last three and a half years.

โ€œThereโ€™s no contemporaneous medical complaint, there is in fact contemporaneous lies,โ€ he said.

Mr Whybrow said there was โ€œnot one skerrick of evidenceโ€ about the crownโ€™s assertion that Ms Higgins did not proceed with a police complaint out of fear of losing her โ€œdream jobโ€.

After the defenceโ€™s closing remarks and the judgeโ€™s directions, four jurors โ€“ chosen through a random ballot process โ€“ were discharged from jury duty.

The juryโ€™s four men and eight women retired at 3pm on Wednesday to decide if Mr Lehrmann is guilty of sexual intercourse without consent and recklessness as to whether Ms Higgins was consenting.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 19, 2022 9:47 pm

In Neville Bartos news (the Hun):

Vince Colosimo has pleaded guilty in Melbourne Magistrates Court to driving while on meth but has avoided jail time.

The 55-year-old was charged with driving unlicensed and drug driving after he was pulled over on St Kilda Rd in Melbourne in April 2021. He had methylamphetamine (ice) in his system and his car was impounded on the spot.

The court also heard on Wednesday he gave police a false name when asked to provide his details after being pulled over.

When officers said they were not satisfied with the name he provided, Colosimo doubled down and said he had a twin brother.

Outstanding. He should also have run the immortal line:

‘There’s no cash here. Here? No cash.’

‘Robbo?’
Robbo: ‘No cash.’

‘See? Cash? No. No cash.’

JC
JC
October 19, 2022 9:50 pm

Well which one were you referring to.

This one.

And this one.

This last one is a horror story.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 19, 2022 9:56 pm

JC says:
October 19, 2022 at 6:18 pm

Just assume Iโ€™m a pompous windbag although I canโ€™t speak for Sanchez and how he feels about himself.

Hang on JC, you’re not telling us the Mexican feels himself are you?

How do you know such things?

cohenite
October 19, 2022 9:57 pm

This one.

And this one.

This last one is a horror story.

You’re hopeless. The first one is a cracker who naturally is upsetting to chino wearing, mummy’s boys. The second one fits the description of a mature, curvy girl which you wimps demanded. Make up your mind.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 19, 2022 9:57 pm

Enough of this banter.
I have to get up early. Those Hereford arses wonโ€™t get stared up by themselves.

Rafiki
Rafiki
October 19, 2022 9:59 pm

I read that McCallum CJ told the jury:
“If you believe what the accused told the police – that nothing happened – you must acquit him”

In a fundamental way, this is seriously misleading. It is not necessary that the jury believe Lehrmann. Rather it is enough that they think his account is a reasonably possibly true. Because if it is, they could not convict beyond reasonable doubt.
If they think, “his account might be true, but it also might not” (with both being a reasonable view), they should acquit.

The danger to the accused is the jury will think McCallum’s direction is the most important question for them to address.

Frank
Frank
October 19, 2022 10:06 pm

“Those Hereford arses wonโ€™t get stared up by themselves.”

And beware, for sometimes the abyss stares back.

Zipster
October 19, 2022 10:07 pm

Analyst who provided Trump-Russia dossier information is acquitted of lying to FBIA federal jury acquitted Russian analyst Igor Danchenko on Tuesday on four counts of lying to the FBI in what is expected to be the final case stemming from special counsel John Durhamโ€™s three-year probe into the origins of the agencyโ€™s investigation into allegations of ties between former President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russia.

custard
custard
October 19, 2022 10:08 pm

The hardest thing to understand is that there isnโ€™t a 46th President of the USA.

That didnโ€™t happen.

Go and look at the jaundice video of the supposed inauguration ceremony.

Zipster
October 19, 2022 10:09 pm

I read that McCallum CJ told the jury:
โ€œIf you believe what the accused told the police โ€“ that nothing happened โ€“ you must acquit himโ€

grounds for appeal

MatrixTransform
October 19, 2022 10:17 pm

Rather it is enough that they think his account is a reasonably possibly true

what a disgusting soap opera.

fucking lawyers

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2022 10:41 pm

Anyway, “Sliante” to all you mob.

A large single malt and Gerard Henderson’s book on Cardinal Pell and the media pileon.

“Read this book to see how many journalists – not the least the ABC’s Louise Milligan and David Marr – seem guided by little more then malice and blind prejudice.” Andrew Bolt.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 19, 2022 10:44 pm

The danger to the accused is the jury will think McCallumโ€™s direction is the most important question for them to address.

Yes. That seems to be the danger:

โ€œIf you believe what the accused told the police โ€“ that nothing happened โ€“ you must acquit himโ€

This belief obviously has to be based entirely on the juryโ€™s assessment of his truthfulness (which is obviously tainted).

On this basis, the jury is released from belief in evidence given by the protagonists (despite the astonishing flaws in Higgins) and encouraged to consider the avalanche of third party evidence about Mz Higginsโ€™s โ€˜changednessโ€™ and the political diorama driving her career decisions at the time.

Take a big bow, Linda Reynolds: your stupid personal courtroom drama over the past week will necessarily become part of the supporting evidence against an accused.

As a Bayesian artisan dried flower presser, my expectation is a hung jury – and whatever comes beyond.

Otherwise a conviction based on the political vibe – kickstarted by the poxdrop former PM and reinforced by Mz Reynoldsโ€™ inexplicable behaviour over the course of the trial.

What a way to do justice.

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 19, 2022 10:54 pm

Outstanding. He should also have run the immortal line:
โ€˜Thereโ€™s no cash here. Here? No cash.โ€™

As a bookmaker, thatโ€™s the last thing you want to say when talking to a steward.

โ€œHow much cashโ€ is the appropriate response.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 19, 2022 11:04 pm

and whatever comes beyond.

I’m with Callie – I’ll bet good money that this case finishes up in the High Court.

I’ll also bet good money that La Higgins lives a very chaste life from here on in..

cohenite
October 19, 2022 11:06 pm

Over 50% Of Liberal, White Women Under 30 Have A Mental Health Issue. Are We Worried Yet?

And I bet every one of the pasty faced, spaghetti armed skanks haven’t got a muscle in their slug bodies.

Rafiki
Rafiki
October 19, 2022 11:15 pm

Zippster
Yes, but did Whybrow CJ ask for a re-direction? Perhpas there was something else said that ameliorated the error.

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 19, 2022 11:21 pm

Itโ€™s a pretty pathetic court case compared to โ€œAmber Vs Johnnyโ€.

Whatโ€™s interesting is how Lisa Wilkinson inserted herself (like a wine bottle into a vagina). Canโ€™t help but thinking that theโ€œmedia eliteโ€ in Australia might have been watching the ratings in the US.

I suspect a โ€œtell allโ€ interview regardless of the jury verdict is imminent.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 19, 2022 11:27 pm

It has to be the dumbest requirement of the entire saga. Pure compliance window dressing.

I reckon it’s about spreading panic. Masks have negligible power to block the virus, but they’re very effective at spreading mass hysteria. I can see why government and the media want this, it’s not clear why the AMA want it.

The discovery that most liberal young women are nuts comes as no surprise. They’ve been committed to spreading panic themselves, so they’re suffering the consequences. Good. Serves them right. Bunch of hysterical loons.

Rafiki
Rafiki
October 19, 2022 11:51 pm

Zippster
Yes, but did Whybrow CJ ask for a re-direction? Perhaps there was something else said that ameliorated the error.
Generally, appeal courts are very reluctant to uphold appeals from jury verdicts. The find that (1) legal errors by the trial judge are excused in the basis the error did not affect the verdict, or, that there was no objection made; and (2) that matters of fact are for the jury, except where the verdict lacks rationality, (that a reasonably acting jury could not have arrived at the verdict).
There is plenty if room here for a court to refuse to intervene, and it’s here where political considerations cut in. How many judges would want to be seen to be party to overturning Lehrmann’s conviction, and thereby upsetting all those who were cheering on brave and strong Brittany?

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 20, 2022 12:00 am

This isnโ€™t a case. Itโ€™s a media and political circus.

MatrixTransform
October 20, 2022 12:16 am

a media and political circus

oh but we have lawyers and magistrates in this very forum.
and they’d beg to differ

after all, we aren’t really discussing people
precedents are of the utmost importance

no matter how much a farce it resembles

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 20, 2022 12:23 am

You can almost hear โ€œBandanna Manโ€ whispering in Lisaโ€™s ear. These pair are fantasists. He writes stories for a living, she embellishes stories for a living.

Itโ€™s a profitable business.

rickw
rickw
October 20, 2022 12:32 am

A UN delegation just turned up on site. Interesting.

2dogs
2dogs
October 20, 2022 12:41 am

Today in the UK, MPs voted (297 to 110) to amend the Public Order Bill,this will make it ILLEGAL to have any form of peaceful demonstration within 150metres of abortion facilities.

If it was 1500m, would we be able to deal with the XR protestors who threw soup on Vincent van Gogh’s Sunflowers?

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 20, 2022 12:47 am

after all, we arenโ€™t really discussing people
precedents are of the utmost importance

โ€œBandana Manโ€ and Lisa arenโ€™t on trial.

Neither are their media mates making money out of the somewhat flaccid Australian version of โ€œJohnny Vs Amberโ€.

This poor bastard might end up in gaol. Regardless, his life is pretty much fucked whatever the verdict. I seriously canโ€™t see him being offered millions of dollars for a โ€œtell allโ€ interview if he gets found innocent.

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 20, 2022 12:51 am

He probably wonโ€™t even be able to get a job.

Stained for life.

Wally Dalรญ
Wally Dalรญ
October 20, 2022 12:58 am

Take the blue berets out for a drink, Wrick.
Unless they’re the blue-hair variety of UN delegations, in which case, strict Pence dining rules and Keanu hands.

Armadillo
Armadillo
October 20, 2022 1:08 am

Meanwhile, Lisa Wilkinson and the rest will carry on their merry millionaire way.

Thereโ€™s not too much for the Sheliah to lose in this particular case. If he gets a โ€œguilty verdictโ€ then she gets some money for interviews plus probably sue the Parliament (taxpayers). If he gets an โ€œinnocent verdictโ€ she gets some money for interviews saying how โ€œunfair it all isโ€.

There is no โ€œdownsideโ€ here. Her, Lawyers, Judges etc are still going to get paid.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

A UN delegation just turned up on site. Interesting.

What sort of people have are our (i.e. western liberal democracies collectively) taxpayer monies hiring?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

MatrixTransform says:
October 20, 2022 at 12:16 am

Eggzackery.
Hence legal types aren’t allowed on a jury.

A jury is for when the law is wrong.
That is the purpose of a jury.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 20, 2022 1:35 am

From Gateway Pundit.

Vaccine, Bivalent is authorized for administration at least two months following completion of primary or booster vaccination in children down to six years of age,โ€ according to the news release.

Dr. Paul Offit, MD, a top vaccine expert and FDA adviser has warned last month that there is insufficient evidence to recommend the new booster shot for healthy young adults and said it could carry risks.

Dr. Offit: โ€œWhen youโ€™re asking people to get a vaccine, I think there has to be clear evidence of benefit. And weโ€™re not going to have clinical studies, obviously, before this launches, but youโ€™d like to have at least human data on people getting this vaccine. You see a clear and dramatic increase in neutralizing antibiotics, and then at least you have a correlate of protection against BA4, BA5. Because if you donโ€™t have that, if thereโ€™s not clear evidence of benefit, then itโ€™s not fair [to ask people to take a risk]. The benefits should be clear.โ€

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