Open Thread – Tues 18 Oct 2022


The Fall of the Rebel Angels, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1562

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Tom
Tom
October 20, 2022 4:16 am
Tom
Tom
October 20, 2022 4:17 am
Dot
Dot
October 20, 2022 4:30 am

Tim Pool reports that Vanity Fair is reporting that independent aligned US women have flipped by 32% to the Republicans.

32% is obviously a game changer.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 20, 2022 4:34 am

Covid response ‘overreach’ hurt nation: independent review

GEOFF CHAMBERS

A damning independent review into Australia’s Covid-19 response and the economic and social havoc wreaked by government “overreach” has found schools should have remained open and lockdowns and border closures were avoidable at the pandemic height.

The review, funded by the Paul Ramsay Foundation, John and Myriam Wylie Foundation and Andrew Forrest’s Minderoo Foundation, said the nation’s most vulnerable communities were excluded from financial support and “bore the brunt” of the pandemic.

Western Sydney University chancellor and former department of prime minister and cabinet secretary Peter Shergold, who was appointed to lead the review in April, said while the fog of uncertainty clouded life-and-death decisions, “this does not mean we could not have done better”.

The 97-page Fault Lines review says “it was wrong to close entire school systems, particularly once new information indicated that schools were not high-transmission environments”.

“For children and parents (particularly women), we failed to get the balance right between protecting health and imposing long-term costs on education, mental health, the economy and workforce outcomes,” the review says.

“Rules were too often formulated and enforced in ways that lacked fairness and compassion. Such overreach undermined public trust and confidence in the institutions that are vital to effective crisis response.”

The review was informed by consultations with about 200 health experts, public servants, ­epidemiologists, unions, community groups, businesses and economists, more than 160 submissions and 3000 hours of research, policy and data analysis.

It found lockdowns and border closures, which triggered significant social and economic costs, should have been a “last resort”.

MISTAKES

Economic supports should have been provided fairly and equitably
Lockdowns and border closures should have been used less
Schools should have stayed open
Older Australians should have been better protected

RECOMMENDATIONS

Strengthen crisis preparation, planning and testing
Establish an export body and trusted voice on public health
Improve government decision-marking through broader advice and greater transparency
Enhance public service collaboration, capability and communication
Modernise how governments use data
Build a culture of real-time evaluation and learning in the public sector

KEY FACTS

Covid death rate for people born overseas was 2.5 times as high as for those born in Australia
Australians in the bottom 20 per cent by socioeconomic status were three times as likely to die of Covid-19 than those in the top 20 per cent
In 2021, vaccination rates for people with a disability were 10 percentage points lower than for other Australians
In 2020, more than 75 per cent of deaths occurred in aged care facilities
The rate of severe illness was 40 per cent higher for indigenous Australians during the Omicron wave
Women were more than 30 per cent more likely to exit the workforce than men in the first months of the pandemic
Students in the bottom 20 per cent by socioeconomic status were more than 40 times more likely not to have a computed for remote schooling than students in the top 20 per cent
Young adults under 25 were twice as likely to experience mental ill health than adults 25 and over
“Too many of Australia’s lockdowns and border closures were the result of policy failures in quarantine, contact tracing, testing, disease surveillance and communicating effectively the need for preventive measures like mask wearing and social distancing.”

“Politics also played a role. Localised outbreaks were inevitable. Statewide and nationwide outbreaks were not.”

The review panel, which included University of Queensland chancellor and former department of foreign affairs and trade secretary Peter Varghese, Macquarie Group director Jillian Broadbent and former Young Australian of the Year Isobel Marshall, made six recommendations to avoid repeating mistakes in ­future health crises.

These include establishing an independent, data-driven Australian Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, clearly defining national cabinet roles and responsibilities in a crisis, publicly releasing modelling used in government decision-making, regular pandemic scenario testing and the sharing and linking of data between jurisdictions.

In April, former Paul Ramsay Foundation chief executive Glyn Davis – who was appointed to lead Anthony Albanese’s department following the May 21 election – said the review would ensure Australia was “more ready and resilient for whatever comes next”.

Doherty Institute director Sharon Lewin was initially ­appointed to the independent review panel but stepped down to avoid any perceived conflicts of interest.

Despite early successes, “ultimately pandemic planning proved to be inadequate” as governments “overreached”, older Australians were left vulnerable and spiralling costs racked up historic debt levels.

“Federal government net debt has risen from 19 per cent of GDP in 2019 to 28 per cent of GDP in 2022. It will take more than 20 years to return to Australia’s pre-Covid debt-to-GDP level if the economy returns to its long-run GDP growth rate,” the review said.

“Total debt across the states and territories is almost four times as high as it was in 2019.

“Restoring fiscal policy buffers is essential to provide sufficient firepower to respond to the next crisis.

“Governments will need to decide who should bear the cost of budget repair and how much of it will fall on young people.”

Citing poor transparency around decision-making, the review said Covid-19 policies were “designed and implemented without proper regard for the in­equalities that already existed in our society and the vulnerabilities of particular communities”.

“(For some) Covid-19 will be a story of trauma, isolation and terrifying uncertainty. It will be a story of being locked in overcrowded housing, job loss and missing out on government supports,” the review said.

“It will be a story of more domestic violence, increased alcohol abuse, deteriorating mental and physical health. It will be a story of loss and the brutal realisation of not being able to say final goodbyes to loved ones.

“Only 2660 out of 33,252 exemption applications were granted in Victoria. Families were kept apart, even when there were strong compassionate reasons to facilitate an exemption.”

The review criticised short-term casual and temporary migrant workers being excluded from JobKeeper wage subsidies, which has been partly blamed for the current labour shortage crisis, as well as the “fiscally irresponsible” failure to recoup payments from businesses that banked sizeable profits.

Professor Shergold said in future crises, “we need to place vulnerable Australians at the centre of our planning”.

Oz – a lot of tables could not be pasted across.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 4:48 am

The 55-year-old was charged with driving unlicensed and drug driving after he was pulled over on St Kilda Rd in Melbourne in April 2021. He had methylamphetamine (ice) in his system and his car was impounded on the spot.

The most shocking news from KD’s post is Neville-Fucking-Bartos is 55 & has looked the same for the past 30 years.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 4:52 am

Dot, clear your mind.
It’s Trafalgar & Baris only for the next few weeks.
Everything else is noise.
Put Rasmussen on hold too.
As Baris says, Rasmussen might pick a trend, they are no good at the pointy end.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 5:07 am

Good to see the NBN getting another couple billion from tax payers.
One day that scrappy little start up might just make it.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 5:09 am

An Australian Navy Destroyer stops four Muslims in a row boat, rowing towards Darwin. The captain gets on the loud hailer and shouts “Ahoy, small craft, where are you heading?” One of the Muslims stands up and shouts “We are invading Australia!” The crew of the Destroyer all start laughing and when the captain finally stops laughing, he gets back on the loud hailer and says “Just the four of you?” The Muslim stands up again and shouts “No, dickhead. We’re the last four. The rest are already there!”

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 5:10 am

I cook with wine, sometimes I even add it to the food.

– W. C. Fields

Dot
Dot
October 20, 2022 5:20 am

It found lockdowns and border closures, which triggered significant social and economic costs, should have been a “last resort”.

I am so angry people couldn’t see this 30 months ago. Don’t tell me I was right all along after you forced me to eat shit sandwiches.

Just STFU and leave me alone. Consider why you even bother voting.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 5:21 am

Top Ender, is the report public ?
I’ve gone a googling but can only find submissions or responses to the review.
Not the actual report itself.

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 5:27 am

Cohenite:

Good scene from the recent Reacher series:

I admit those few clips have made me want to go to the movies the first time in 30 years.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 20, 2022 5:28 am

I am so angry people couldn’t see this 30 months ago.

Those of moderate intelligence who had looked at the data could see at the time of diamond and ruby princess that the government response was idiotic. And it still is. The report is also fairly stupid.

But what else would you expect?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 5:29 am

I am so angry people couldn’t see this 30 months ago.

Don’t get angry Dot.
The COVID response was the greatest self-selection process in world history.
You can put all those who unwittingly supported the measures (the sheeple) into a box.
You can put all those who formulated & enforced the measures into another box.
You now can block out anything these two boxes says ever again.
Thinking positively like this is the only way I don’t top myself or grind my teeth into nothing.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 20, 2022 5:30 am

The review criticised short-term casual and temporary migrant workers being excluded from JobKeeper wage subsidies, which has been partly blamed for the current labour shortage crisis, as well as the “fiscally irresponsible” failure to recoup payments from businesses that banked sizeable profits.

Professor Shergold said in future crises, “we need to place vulnerable Australians at the centre of our planning”.

Place short term migrants at the centre of our planning, eh?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 20, 2022 5:33 am

I am so angry people couldn’t see this 30 months ago. Don’t tell me I was right all along after you forced me to eat shit sandwiches.

No one forced you to do anything.
As a matter of fact, you were at the front of the queue cheering the vaccines on.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 20, 2022 5:35 am

Tim Pool reports that Vanity Fair is reporting that independent aligned US women have flipped by 32% to the Republicans.

32% is obviously a game changer.

32% of fuck all is still fuck all.
Abortion is a losing issue and they haven’t got a hope in hell.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 5:38 am

This blog deserves a better a better class of troll.

h/t The Joker.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 20, 2022 5:54 am

Instead of a Hereford’s arse, I’ve chosen a truck queue at a feed mill to look up this morning.
I hate doing things under lights.
Hopefully unloaded just after 6.30 and then a cup of coffee at the cafe.

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 6:08 am

ZK2A:

I’m with Callie – I’ll bet good money that this case finishes up in the High Court.

I’ll also bet good money that La Higgins lives a very chaste life from here on in..

I’ll go with the first, and not the second.
Because the Higgins girl has gotten away – as said by others – with multiple bullshit stories in her adult life, my impression is that she’ll carry on as usual because she’s manipulated the law so far and will continue getting away with it.

Zatara
Zatara
October 20, 2022 6:15 am

Today in the UK, MPs voted (297 to 110) to amend the Public Order Bill,this will make it ILLEGAL to have any form of peaceful demonstration within 150metres of abortion facilities.

Let’s see what happens when a crowd of hijab wearers are doing the protesting.

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 6:18 am

As a Bayesian artisan dried flower presser, my expectation is a hung jury

I’m enjoying your vast experience and expertise, DrF. Please continue to inform us.

Cassie said it would end in the HC, not me. A guilty verdict will see it there. One thing – he was truthful about not having his keys. Looks like he always planned to return to PH for them, though why you’d leave them behind is anyone’s guess. Perhaps he wasn’t planning a big night out.

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 6:19 am

Dot:

Tim Pool reports that Vanity Fair is reporting that independent aligned US women have flipped by 32% to the Republicans.
32% is obviously a game changer.

Perhaps they’ve looked a little closer at what the Democrats/Leftists are offering for women and have finally woken up to the difference between the promises and the outcomes?
I live in hope…

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 6:26 am

Mike Pence at the Heritage Foundation calling for a blank cheque from US taxpayers to Ukraine for ever.

Hugh
Hugh
October 20, 2022 6:29 am

My satellite NBN connection has been pretty good of late. It is as though I have the service largely to myself.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 6:30 am

Why would the pope meet with a delegation from Bain Capital?
Why would the pope then tweet all the photos so there’s no denying it?

Cassie of Sydney
October 20, 2022 6:34 am

Damn democracy, there’s a coup going on in the UK by the elites.

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 6:39 am

Dot:

I am so angry people couldn’t see this 30 months ago. Don’t tell me I was right all along after you forced me to eat shit sandwiches.

Me too!
…but something unusual happened last Thursday when I did a little grocery shopping. Since the lockdowns started I have been wearing shirts with my gravatar placed on the upper left breast. So far the reaction has been a couple of sarcastic sotto voce comments, or a smirk or two, or just an embarrassed head turn away. Multiple offers of face masks have been met with “No, I’m good, thanks.” or taking the proffered mask, folding it and putting it in my pocket.
However last week, multiple smiles and cheery “Hi Winston” from people who haven’t spoken to me for 18 months.
The difference over the last month has been jarring.
Perhaps the clue bat has impacted at the level of ordinary folk.

(Don’t worry, while I’m still the same old pleasant Winston I always was, I haven’t forgotten being excluded from society because I refused to submit.)

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 6:45 am

Zatara:

Let’s see what happens when a crowd of hijab wearers are doing the protesting.

Like in the US with the School Boards?
I’m surprised the School Board members haven’t been met in the car parks for a bit of kinetic counselling. Maybe it will stop the FBI from persecuting the no hijabi citizenry?

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 6:45 am

Perhaps the clue bat has impacted at the level of ordinary folk.

I wouldn’t overthink it. People are just reverting to their baselines. Apply a little pressure and they’ll be back to howling and pointing.

As far as you are involved, it has sorted them out.

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 6:47 am

Feelthebern:

Mike Pence at the Heritage Foundation calling for a blank cheque from US taxpayers to Ukraine for ever.

He’s served his purpose for the Democrats and so now can discard his camouflage – and Tulsi can take over his role.

Mater
October 20, 2022 6:49 am

It found lockdowns and border closures, which triggered significant social and economic costs, should have been a “last resort”.

And nary a mention of mandating a provisionally approved vaccine in that review.

Read TEs comment above, and then watch Professor Ian Frazer’s ACA interview from before the lockdowns started:

https://youtu.be/Jj_k6QefrJI

They were told.
They fucked us, for no good reason.

bespoke
bespoke
October 20, 2022 6:51 am

feelthebernsays:
October 20, 2022 at 6:26 am
Mike Pence at the Heritage Foundation calling for a blank cheque from US taxpayers to Ukraine for ever.

Hopefully Trump has learnt his lesson if he runs again.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 20, 2022 6:55 am

Mike Pence at the Heritage Foundation calling for a blank cheque from US taxpayers to Ukraine for ever.

He also said this:

Pence Warns Conservatives About ‘Unprincipled Populism’ (Newsmax, 19 Oct)

Sod off swampy.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 6:56 am

People are just reverting to their baselines.

They think the people they abused will all forget.
Most probably will.
Looking forward to the updates from Cats this Christmas who last Christmas were made to take a test pre entry into Christmas lunch/dinner.
Or who were dis-invited because of their jab status.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 6:57 am

They were told.
They fucked us, for no good reason.

The ‘Pollies’ and others had very good reasons. Their own reasons. SAD though.

Razey
Razey
October 20, 2022 6:59 am

The end game for the globalists is in sight. The Scamdemic has shown them how easy it is to control the masses of unthinking sheep. They accelerate their plans now because they know they can get away with it.

Mater
October 20, 2022 7:04 am

They think the people they abused will all forget.

‘Never in the field of human endeavour have so many apologies been owed by so many to so few’

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 7:09 am

Mater, the excuse will be, “I was just following orders.”.

In many ways, we all were. The ones I admire were those who quietly followed their own convictions under tremendous pressure.

I won’t be holding my breath for an apology from the media.

bespoke
bespoke
October 20, 2022 7:12 am

Christmas were made to take a test pre entry into Christmas lunch/dinner.
Or who were dis-invited because of their jab status

Crossing that line deserves excommunication.

Cassie of Sydney
October 20, 2022 7:12 am

“Today in the UK, MPs voted (297 to 110) to amend the Public Order Bill,this will make it ILLEGAL to have any form of peaceful demonstration within 150metres of abortion facilities.”

Abortion is a sacred rite, don’t you know? In this progressive nirvana we now live in, where’s there’s only one religious ideology that’s tolerated…the progressive woke religion…abortion, like perverts in dresses, is holy and anyone who doth protest will see the full force of the law come down on them. I’ll say this about Muslims, they will get out and protest, and they ain’t scared of anybody. But you know why they’re not scared? Because they actually believe in God. They’re not shit scared of some fascist neo Marxist pagan bureaucrat pushing for 12 year old boys to be castrated or 12 girls having their pubescent breasts chopped off. And therein lies the rub, the West is doomed because of the collapse of Christianity. It can’t and it won’t survive.

As Rowan Dean said in his superb editorial two nights ago on Sky, the real vandals across the West aren’t the woke mobs or the privileged zombies throwing soup at a Van Goh. Nup, the real vandals are the spineless right of centre and conservative parties who’ve sat back for years and done nothing to curb any of this.

As I write the UK “Conservative” government is imploding and collapsing, a Remainer who doesn’t even hide his sneering contempt for working and middle class Britons, is taking the reins of power. There are accusations flying around of physical fights in the HoC. MPs are desperately running around trying to save their backsides, because that’s all this is to them, they don’t give a flying fuck about their constituents, they just care about their pushy jobs as MP.

Just think, less than three years ago, the Tories and Blob Johnson won an election in a landslide. Given that mandate, they did nothing, and therein lies their epitaph.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 20, 2022 7:14 am

Bill Gates:

Gates Foundation Donates $1B to Prioritize Math Education (19 Oct)

Also Bill Gates:

Bill Gates Says European Energy Crisis Is “Good” (19 Oct)

I think he should take his own maths course.

bespoke
bespoke
October 20, 2022 7:19 am
calli
calli
October 20, 2022 7:20 am

Gates only thinks it’s “good” because he won’t go cold and hungry this winter.

He’d soon change his mind if he and his family froze or starved.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 20, 2022 7:28 am

Trudy likes the war too.

Justin Trudeau: Ukraine War ‘Absolutely Accelerating’ End of Fossil Fuels (19 Oct)

Far-left Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the audience at a climate change event on Tuesday that he believed the escalation of the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “accelerating” the “energy transition” away from fossil fuels and towards a zero-carbon electric grid.

The arrogance of these imbeciles is breathtaking.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 7:34 am

‘Pollies’ are Wallys. There is no way in the World that any ‘Pollie’ will admit that they were ever wrong. Politician Rule Book 101.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 20, 2022 7:35 am

Remember the millennium drought when the climate change doom merchants were posing for photos in the middle of dry rivers.
A repeat performance please.

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 7:45 am

Calli/Bespoke/Mater et al:
I’m not about to ‘cast into the wilderness’ those who folded under the pressure and got vaccinated. That would be unfair. Like the tree that bends in the wind, to continue to stand tall at the peril of breaking is foolish.
Were I in the position of being a sole breadwinner, I would probably have folded as well. I was lucky enough to have the resources to stand against the tide.
I have sympathy for those who didn’t.
I have sod all sympathy for those who folded and then assisted in the repression of those who didn’t buckle.
The whole episode was about individual choice.
No one had to join the mob demanding branding/tattooing those who disagreed, or gaoling/denying medical treatment to those same people.
Far too many joined the authoritarian mob and attempted to deny others the right to decide – a right they demanded (vaccination) for themselves.
But my greatest contempt lies with the politicians and bureaucrats who forced others to fire the bullets they created but didn’t have the guts to fire themselves.

Indolent
Indolent
October 20, 2022 7:46 am

Kari Lake
@KariLake

Governor candidate, AZ
This is my promise to Arizona.

This an experimental shot.

Our Children are NOT guinea pigs.

When I’m Governor, the Covid Vax will NEVER be mandatory for our precious children.

NEVER.

Adding it to the childhood schedule makes it mandatory to attend school. This is nothing less than mass murder and, with what is now known, there is ZERO excuse that they aren’t aware of it.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 7:46 am

Farmer Gezsays:
October 20, 2022 at 7:35 am
Remember the millennium drought when the climate change doom merchants were posing for photos in the middle of dry rivers.
A repeat performance please.

Well right now that should ‘drown’ out their dier (dryer) predictions.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
October 20, 2022 7:47 am

Surprised there’s been even a half credible if unofficial review of the pandemic response, but still seems to have trod very lightly and avoided the most egregious examples of ‘overreach’ (gaslighting, physical violence, coercion and oppression) by the State.

sfw
sfw
October 20, 2022 7:49 am

My Dr BIL and my sister insisted that only vaxxed could come to Christmas evening, I knew it would be the last time we all got together for Christmas as Mum was getting frail, she’s now in a nursing home and there won’t be another Christmas with the entire family again. There’s a lot of us 25 altogether but the only time we’ll be in the same place at the same time will be Mum and Dads funerals unfortunately.

When it became apparent that my two brothers and I (plus families) wouldn’t attend she tried to compromise by saying that we could come if we did a covid test at the front door. She didn’t seem to realise how insulting that was. I asked her if say one or more of us tested +ve would she not let us in? She said yes. So that’s it, there’s bad blood between us now, the BIL Dr always told me he was an ‘evidence based physician’, what a lie.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 20, 2022 7:50 am

Anyone who’s seen Takashi Miike’s 13 Assassins will be familiar with the concept of a subordinate committing suicide to shame a superior.

will
will
October 20, 2022 7:52 am
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 7:53 am

my impression is that she’ll carry on as usual because she’s manipulated the law so far and will continue getting away with it

The Brih-nee Commando Situation will be forgotten by Christmas, except for those few souls rightfully using it for comedy value. As a comparison:

Grace Tame had her 15 minutes, which should have been seven had she not been gifted an AOTY to keep the lights on for a bit longer. She could thank ‘journalist’ Nina Funnell for her brief profile, as Funnell was looking for Example One for a series of pieces she was doing. The one with Tame just got a bit of traction because she turned out to be much more strident than anticipated.

The louder she screeched, the more people turned off her. Funnell, once by Tame’s side while her story was broadcast to all and sundry, went into reverse like an Italian tank as soon as the tenor changed and her usefulness diminished.

Higgins, for the moment, has Wilkinson and FitzSimons. Watch as they try to skim a bit of commission off the top of Higgins’ travails and informing her she has the support of the entire country before fucking off to the next Current Thing, and leaving the bewildered girly on a street corner somewhere, squinting in the sunlight.

Higgins can be compared to a poorly-archived YouTube clip. Once getting millions of view per day, then only briefly resurrected in a That Was The Year That Was compilation because the white-hot gaze of public opinion, having writ, moved on.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
October 20, 2022 7:53 am

100% Winston, but I would say there were many within VicPol who were all too eager to (literally) fire the rubber bullets and gas handed to them by the State…

Tom
Tom
October 20, 2022 7:53 am

I won’t be holding my breath for an apology from the media.

The Australian media isn’t pretending any more about being the eyes and ears of the public.

It now sees itself as an arm of government.

bons
bons
October 20, 2022 7:54 am

Why aren’t we hearing from the Junkie’s Missus?

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 7:54 am

Winston Smithsays:
October 20, 2022 at 7:45 am
Calli/Bespoke/Mater et al:
I’m not about to ‘cast into the wilderness’ those who folded under the pressure and got vaccinated. That would be unfair. Like the tree that bends in the wind, to continue to stand tall at the peril of breaking is foolish.
Were I in the position of being a sole breadwinner, I would probably have folded as well. I was lucky enough to have the resources to stand against the tide.
I have sympathy for those who didn’t.
I have sod all sympathy for those who folded and then assisted in the repression of those who didn’t buckle.
The whole episode was about individual choice.
No one had to join the mob demanding branding/tattooing those who disagreed, or gaoling/denying medical treatment to those same people.
Far too many joined the authoritarian mob and attempted to deny others the right to decide – a right they demanded (vaccination) for themselves.
But my greatest contempt lies with the politicians and bureaucrats who forced others to fire the bullets they created but didn’t have the guts to fire themselves.

And very well said. I didn’t get those jabs either and I don’t get the anal (annual) Flu Jab either. But I was lucky being already retired and having no need to keep or have a Job. I would like to be in charge of jabbing all of those ‘Pollies’ and Public Serpents up the arse with the rough end of a pineapple and jabs/boosters in both arms. Just to make sure that they got their best of their own ‘medicine’………….LOL

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 7:54 am

*views per day*

There’s a typo. They mostly come in the mornings.

Mostly.

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 7:56 am

Sfw, it only took a little bit of pressure to expose the fault lines in families. I think we can all relate to your story.

Winston, this thing also exposed the inner authoritarian, where personal choices suddenly became public property.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 20, 2022 7:57 am

The Australian media isn’t pretending any more

Yep, as they said in the CCCP: “There is no news in Pravda and no truth in Izvestia”.
We’re now at that point here.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 8:00 am

callisays:

October 20, 2022 at 7:56 am

Sfw, it only took a little bit of pressure to expose the fault lines in families. 

I have a feeling that, in many cases, the fault lines were already there and Kung Flu provided a convenient vehicle to justify making a break.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 8:01 am

Remember the millennium drought when the climate change doom merchants were posing for photos in the middle of dry rivers.

I parked my ute in the middle of widest, deepest bit of Hometown Creek at the time for a few pics. Didn’t even get the tyres muddy.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 20, 2022 8:02 am

Major Mitchell diary April 1836

POISONED WATERHOLE.

We finally encamped on the Lachlan at the junction of the Goobang, in latitude 33 degrees 5 minutes 20 seconds; longitude East 147 degrees 13 minutes 10 seconds. There the river contained some deep pools and we expected to catch fish; but Piper told us that the holes had been recently poisoned, a process adopted by the natives in dry seasons, when the river no longer flows, for bringing the fish to the surface of deep ponds and thus killing the whole; I need not add that none of us got a bite. All these holes were full of recently cut boughs of the eucalyptus, so that the water was tinged black.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 8:02 am

I parked my ute …

Wait!
Was it a … manual ute?

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 8:03 am

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
October 20, 2022 at 7:28 am
Trudy likes the war too.

Justin Trudeau: Ukraine War ‘Absolutely Accelerating’ End of Fossil Fuels (19 Oct)

Far-left Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the audience at a climate change event on Tuesday that he believed the escalation of the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “accelerating” the “energy transition” away from fossil fuels and towards a zero-carbon electric grid.

The arrogance of these imbeciles is breathtaking.

The bloke is a fruit loop. Just vote him out or let him loose in the Canadian Rocky Mountains where the Grizzly Bears roam and are very hungry.

132andBush
132andBush
October 20, 2022 8:05 am

calli says:
October 20, 2022 at 7:09 am

Mater, the excuse will be, “I was just following orders.”.

Yes
And for the unthinking it’s “gotta listen to the experts”.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 8:05 am

There’s a lot of us 25 altogether but the only time we’ll be in the same place at the same time will be Mum and Dads funerals unfortunately.

Perhaps now. That wasn’t guaranteed at the time either sfw.

None of this has been forgotten.

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 8:05 am

By definition, a “fault line” is pre-exsting.

My impression is that the DrBIL didn’t really like his wife’s family much. A little nudge excluded them completely. Unpleasant, but there it is.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 20, 2022 8:06 am

Perhaps they’ve looked a little closer at what the Democrats/Leftists are offering for women

Having “chicks with dicks” foisted upon them and their daughters as women and the loss of women only space, and the lie that their daughters can become sons (and vv) may be the most important policy.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 8:07 am

Was it a … manual ute?

What of it? Huh?

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 8:08 am

I woke to go to the toilet in the middle of the night and noticed a burglar sneaking through next door’s garden. Suddenly my neighbour came from nowhere and smacked him over the head with a shovel killing him instantly. He then began to dig a grave with the shovel. Astonished, I got back into bed. My wife said “Darling, you’re shaking, what is it?” “You’ll never believe what I’ve just seen!” I said “That tosser next door has still got my bloody shovel”.

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 8:08 am

We have one in our family like that too, so it’s no surprise. Preferential treatment, no shows at functions, the usual stuff.

Covid exposed the lot.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 8:09 am

Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.

– W. C. Fields

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 8:11 am

Knuckle Draggersays:

October 20, 2022 at 8:07 am

Was it a … manual ute?

What of it? Huh?

It seemed to be important once.
To somebody.
I can’t remember who.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 8:12 am

I can’t remember who.

Yeah, me neither.

I’ll see if I can identify the prick.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 8:14 am

Sancho Panzersays:
October 20, 2022 at 8:11 am
Knuckle Draggersays:

October 20, 2022 at 8:07 am

Was it a … manual ute?

What of it? Huh?

It seemed to be important once.
To somebody.
I can’t remember who.

In which case Mrs Stencho Pantyhose just STFU…………………..

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 20, 2022 8:14 am

Yes with families it can be one little trigger that can open up old wounds and resentments leading to a complete break.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 8:16 am

And a jolly good morning to you too, Mr Rotten!
You have a nice day now, y’hear.
And don’t lose your place in the Benny Hill joke book.

duncanm
duncanm
October 20, 2022 8:17 am

feelthebernsays:
October 20, 2022 at 5:07 am
Good to see the NBN getting another couple billion from tax payers.
One day that scrappy little start up might just make it.

Starlink Valuation – $40B US
NBN Funding from taxpayers – $45B (+ $2.4B) AUD

132andBush
132andBush
October 20, 2022 8:21 am

Gez,

POISONED WATERHOLE.

We finally encamped on the Lachlan at the junction of the Goobang, in latitude 33 degrees 5 minutes 20 seconds; longitude East 147 degrees 13 minutes 10 seconds. There the river contained some deep pools and we expected to catch fish; but Piper told us that the holes had been recently poisoned, a process adopted by the natives in dry seasons, when the river no longer flows, for bringing the fish to the surface of deep ponds and thus killing the whole; I need not add that none of us got a bite. All these holes were full of recently cut boughs of the eucalyptus, so that the water was tinged black.

Another thinly veiled critique of indigenous agriculture/aquaculture.

bespoke
bespoke
October 20, 2022 8:21 am

Far too many joined the authoritarian mob and attempted to deny others the right to decide – a right they demanded (vaccination) for themselves

.

Just saying Winston, there is line between disagreement and being treated like dirt. People are better of removing such creatures from their life.

But my greatest contempt lies with the politicians and bureaucrats who forced others to fire the bullets they created but didn’t have the guts to fire themselves

Indeed. This has betrayed so much trust hopefully it will prompt chang. Protesting perents in the US looks to be increasing.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 8:25 am

A typically restrained Sam Newman on the picking and choosing netty ladies (the Hun):

“We have people with low IQs telling a sporting body which is on its knees financially that they won’t accept money from sponsorship deals from a company which I’m sure that those people who are complaining use one of those products indirectly or directly that Hancock Mining or Hancock industries have fabricated on a daily basis,” he said.

And:

“For the netballers to arch up at not taking sponsorship dollars from Gina Rhinehart who is guilty by association from her father who I think made those comments whatever they were I think 40 years ago seems ludicrous,” he said.

“If I was Gina Rhinehart I would take my $15 million and say ‘stick it’.”

I am confident Mr Newman would be totes devo at the enviro-netty lobby’s disapproval.

Roger
Roger
October 20, 2022 8:27 am

Not to trivialise it, but Elbow’s decision to reverse the recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital has gone down as well as – if not worse than – the BOM’s ridiculous rebranding of itself.

Not least within Labor’s Caucus, it would seem.

Good.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 20, 2022 8:28 am

Top Ender says:
October 20, 2022 at 4:34 am
Covid response ‘overreach’ hurt nation: independent review

KEY FACTS

– Covid death rate for people born overseas was 2.5 times as high as for those born in Australia
– Australians in the bottom 20 per cent by socioeconomic status were three times as likely to die of Covid-19 than those in the top 20 per cent

– In 2021, vaccination rates for people with a disability were 10 percentage points lower than for other Australians
– In 2020, more than 75 per cent of deaths occurred in aged care facilities
– The rate of severe illness was 40 per cent higher for indigenous Australians during the Omicron wave

– Young adults under 25 were twice as likely to experience mental ill health than adults 25 and over

FINANCIALLY

Despite early successes, “ultimately pandemic planning proved to be inadequate” as governments “overreached”, older Australians were left vulnerable and spiralling costs racked up historic debt levels.

“Federal government net debt has risen from 19 per cent of GDP in 2019 to 28 per cent of GDP in 2022. It will take more than 20 years to return to Australia’s pre-Covid debt-to-GDP level if the economy returns to its long-run GDP growth rate,” the review said.

“Total debt across the states and territories is almost four times as high as it was in 2019.

Roger
Roger
October 20, 2022 8:29 am

Far-left Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the audience at a climate change event on Tuesday that he believed the escalation of the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “accelerating” the “energy transition” away from fossil fuels and towards a zero-carbon electric grid.

The arrogance of these imbeciles is breathtaking.

Matched by their ignorance.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 8:29 am

Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realise that we can’t eat money.

– John Knee Rotten

Stolen by me from the First Nations People of North America

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 8:29 am

NBN Funding from taxpayers – $45B (+ $2.4B) AUD

And the rest.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 8:31 am

feelthebernsays:
October 20, 2022 at 8:29 am
NBN Funding from taxpayers – $45B (+ $2.4B) AUD

And the rest.

Stolen from Taxpayers and borrowed money for future taxpayers to somehow pay back.

sfw
sfw
October 20, 2022 8:32 am

Just had strange/disturbing message from a friend of the family. This woman has been strong anti compulsory vaxxes and pro freedom from the start, she’s a nurse but no longer working due to the mandates. We’re not in close contact but she messages maybe once or twice a month. The most recent one was a list of people who developed, distributed and promoted the vaxxes worldwide. The message is almost a mini ‘Elders of Zion’ thing. I have never heard say anything anti Semitic before and I am amazed that she appears to be going into that camp. This is what destroys movements, people going irrational and adopting terrible ideas. I’m going to say something to her, if she doesn’t regain her senses it will be the end of the friendship.

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 8:33 am

Off topic, but what the Hell…
The one thing I expected in the 21st century was the rise of the Arkology.
Somewhat along the lines of Heinlein’s Todos Santos.
So where are all the Arkologies? The model would seem to fit the authoritarian mindset – Social Credit scoring, their own currency, no poor people – unless they’re $5 an hour baristas, their own police force…

Dot
Dot
October 20, 2022 8:33 am

Net debt is bullshit.

What matters is the cost of recurrent gross debt vs the absolute gain in real per capita GDP growth – put both in terms of GDP if easier to understand how the debt cost can make us all worse off.

132andBush
132andBush
October 20, 2022 8:34 am

Cassie

As Rowan Dean said in his superb editorial two nights ago on Sky, the real vandals across the West aren’t the woke mobs or the privileged zombies throwing soup at a Van Goh. Nup, the real vandals are the spineless right of centre and conservative parties who’ve sat back for years and done nothing to curb any of this.

A “conservative party” these days is treated akin to a mode of public transport, destination fat super and sinecures. Nothing more.

custard
custard
October 20, 2022 8:36 am

The domain TruthSocial dot com was created in 2011.

Seems Trump definitely had a plan.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 8:37 am

This is what destroys movements, people going irrational and adopting terrible ideas.

Like DeATh CamPs?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 20, 2022 8:41 am

Thanks for that, Top Ender.

All the stupidity was foreseeable, and indeed it was at the Cat and doubtless other quarters besides.

Some strange choices in people invited to participate in the report. Unions? What could they contribute? Young Australian of the Year?

Whatever.

One recommendation I demur at:

Establish an export (sic) body and trusted voice on public health

There is a tendency for an idle body to become its own cause, to justify itself to make itself indispensable. Make work. And eventually make this their mission. Certainly the administrative (read ‘Public service’) part, and any of the experts who see the work as anything more that a part-time gig that fits in with an already active career. You know, meetings once a month, a few papers to sign, a few jaunts to see how things are managed in Milan, Paris, London, Honolulu. And a neat little (and I mean little) stipend that allows the occasional indulgence.

Seriously, anyone who is an expert should already be busy plying their knowledge. They are the ones you would want.

Official experts, like the deformed menagerie of state health officers, were pivotal to the whole debacle that was the COVID response.

bespoke
bespoke
October 20, 2022 8:42 am

I’m going to say something to her, if she doesn’t regain her senses it will be the end of the friendship

It’s the only way sfw. You will be drawn down with them if you don’t.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 8:44 am

Is this vaccine math right ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57epBpmMCWo

I’ve watched it twice (less than 3min).
I’m embarrassed to say I don’t know.

Rabz
October 20, 2022 8:45 am

The report is also fairly stupid. But what else would you expect?

Nothing that would come even close to acknowledging the various pachyderms stomping around the room.

As my for my f*cking family, they are dead to me. The staggeringly stupid hysterical gullible mongrel nazi bastards.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 8:45 am

Maybe I need more coffee.
Brain is a little slow turning over this morning.
I’ve had three 12 hour days in a row so more than understandable.

Hugh
Hugh
October 20, 2022 8:45 am

Custard

It is also possible that Trump bought a pre-existing domain name.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 8:48 am

sfw, if you’re friend is distributing anti-Semite horseshit, you should raise it with them.
Then it should be one & done.
If they are retarded enough to believe that stuff they have self-selected themselves out of the decent folk.

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 8:49 am

132and Bush:

the real vandals are the spineless right of centre and conservative parties who’ve sat back for years and done nothing to curb any of this.

There’s an American saying that fits the problem precisely – “Shit or get off the pot.”
The right of centre and conservative parties that we currently have are just foils for frustrating RoC ambitions.
They have no intention of pursuing RoC aims, just getting their heads into the feeding trough.
We have to wake up to this ploy, many of them are leftist plants and are only interested in frustrating RoC policies.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 8:51 am

This is what destroys movements, people going irrational and adopting terrible ideas.

Then:

Like DeATh CamPs?

Exactly like DeatH cAmps.

Incidentally, by his own rationale St. Ruth is dead. Everyone who fails to comment on this august journal of record for more than a week is dead, via the salmon mousse.

bons
bons
October 20, 2022 8:52 am

Folk may recall my situation during the COVID insanity when one of my DIL refused to allow me access to her children unless I was vaxed.
I eventually did take the shots because of fear that I would never get to the UK to visit my daughter. I didn’t inform DIL but I guess she worked it out.
I received last week a honey dripping email from my son announcing that they were coming to stay for Christmas.
They are not. The kids are welcome, but not her.
Overreacting? Probably, but the patronising contempt that she displayed during the scam was genuinely hurtful.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 20, 2022 8:54 am

So where are all the Arkologies?

You can’t have an arcology without air conditioning and air conditioning is a crime against Gaia.

It’s fun that there’s been a loud rushing sound as Greens flee their previously comfy dog boxes for the countryside. Next el Nino is going see them all rush back again minus their newly built burnt to a crisp tree-change houses.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 8:54 am

I received last week a honey dripping email from my son announcing that they were coming to stay for Christmas.
They are not. The kids are welcome, but not her.

Well done.
I’m currently looking for the YouTube clip where the chap in response to “turn the other cheek” says:
Fuck.
That.
Shit.

rosie
rosie
October 20, 2022 8:56 am

No-one was excluded in my family, vaxxed and unvaxxed mingled freely, and we breeched lockdowns in 2020 and 2021 for covert family gatherings many times.
We all said same from the outset, protect the old and let everyone else get on with it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 8:58 am

This is what destroys movements, people going irrational and adopting terrible ideas.

This is because the fringe shitshows are parasites feeding off host bodies, which initially give said shitshows an aura of credibility before the actual agenda is gradually introduced under, but not as part of the original movement’s purpose.

Any attempt to wind back the wompusness is then denounced as ‘anti-FReEdom!!11!’ – and as correctly mentioned, the original righteous movement is destroyed.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
October 20, 2022 9:02 am

Not to trivialise it, but Elbow’s decision to reverse the recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital has gone down as well as – if not worse than – the BOM’s ridiculous rebranding of itself.

Watching Pliberserk pretend that as the minister, she has no responsibility for the BOM rebranding themselves Bunch of Muppets and not get pilloried in the media is somewhat unedifying.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 20, 2022 9:05 am

Overreacting? Probably

Probably not, no.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 20, 2022 9:06 am

Let’s see what happens when a crowd of hijab wearers are doing the protesting.

Why would they care. They are only infidel babies.

I would expect they have their own definition of when a foetus becomes a human – something that pre-dates scientific definitions, like first movement felt. They also believe everyone is born a Muslim and as soon as they are enrolled into any other faith they are apostates. Legitimises killing them. (A bit like the Spartans state declaring war on their helots anew every year – who were absolutely in no condition to wage any kind of war – it meant that killing a helot was not murder.)

I wonder if they ever pondered whether an unborn child was already Muslim? Or whether something changed at parturition – humanity layered onto the emerging child like the shell on a bird’s egg.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 20, 2022 9:08 am

Mother Lode

Official experts, like the deformed menagerie of state health officers, were pivotal to the whole debacle that was the COVID response.

Official “eggspurts” are a plague on the body politic. They’re needed, but they should never be permitted to become public “personalities”. See Fauci, various CHOs/CMOs, and the never-ending parade of “klimate” eggspurts like Flummery, “Upside Down” Mann and lots more.

Eisenhower foresaw the danger of a plague of scientific experts as clearly as he foresaw the danger of the military-insudtrial complex. Both together, as now, is a dangerous situation.

Not sure who said it first, but there is much truth in the adage that “Experts should be on tap, but not on top”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 20, 2022 9:10 am

Pages 166/167 of Gerard Henderson’s book “Cardinal Pell” has a list of the journalists and commentators who took part in the Pell pile-on over two decades – three quarters of a page of them.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 20, 2022 9:10 am

Winston

We have to wake up to this ploy, many of them are leftist plants and are only interested in frustrating RoC policies.

The old Soviet technique of entryism?

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 9:12 am

A man goes into a pub with a chicken under one arm and biscuit tin full of holes under the other.

The bartender tells him “You can’t bring that in here”. The man replies “I think you’ll change your mind about that once you’ve seen what it can do. In fact, you’ll probably want to buy her”.

The bar was pretty quiet so the bartender humour’s him to see what the gimmick is.

He asks the bartender to put some lively music on. Then he carefully sets the biscuit tin on the counter. Then he gently places the chicken on top and then waits. The bartender stares in utter amazement as the chicken begins hopping and dancing about all over the biscuit tin lid.

“A dancing chicken?! Haha!! People will come from far and wide to my pub to see this amazing spectacle. I must have it. What do you want for it?” “$500 and she’s yours”.

They make the exchange and the man leaves.

The bartender shouts up the road after him “How do I get it to stop?” The man shouts back “Just open the tin and blow out the candle”.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
October 20, 2022 9:12 am

Bons, you are acting spitefully and irrationally. A dishonourable victory will belittle you both.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 20, 2022 9:13 am

”Numerous cases of encephalitis and encephalomyelitis have been reported in con-
nection with the gene-based COVID-19 vaccines, with many being considered causally
related to vaccination [31,38,39]. However, this is the first report to demonstrate the
presence of the spike protein within the encephalitic lesions and to attribute it to vac-
cination rather than infection. These findings corroborate a causative role of the
gene-based COVID-19 vaccines, and this diagnostic approach is relevant to potentially vaccine-induced damage to other organs as well.”

https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/covid-vaccines-causing-death-can-be-proven-c3ebf991

132andBush
132andBush
October 20, 2022 9:13 am

bons

Overreacting?

No it’s not.
It may just help bludgeon the fundamentals of what she was party to into her head.

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 9:13 am

Establish an export (sic) body and trusted voice on public health

Seriously?

You mean we don’t have one already? What was the last two and a half years about then?

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 9:14 am

Speak Truth in Humility. Only then can you be a true Man.

– Old Sioux Proverb

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 20, 2022 9:15 am

I’m going to say something to her, if she doesn’t regain her senses it will be the end of the friendship

She may well decide that you have been hoodwinked by Da Jooish Kabal and then decide that it makes you complicit. For all she knows you might be Jooish yourself.

This kind of paranoia and delusion has been seen even on these august pages, although I think it has not visited this October.

Yet.

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 9:15 am

Overreacting?

No. She desperately needs to woman up and apologise to you personally and sincerely.

Keep in mind she is the mother of your grandchildren. They are what matter here. What she thinks isn’t worth a pinch of the proverbial.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 9:16 am

More Flannery in Sydney. Where has that Water Oracle gone to now?

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR713.loop.shtml#skip

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 20, 2022 9:17 am

Oh, the misspelling of ‘cabal’ was kind of a joke linking it to ‘kabbalah’, but I changed my mind while typing. Sorry.

Roger
Roger
October 20, 2022 9:17 am

Watching Pliberserk pretend that as the minister, she has no responsibility for the BOM rebranding themselves Bunch of Muppets and not get pilloried in the media is somewhat unedifying.

“It was the previous gummint wot done it” doesn’t fly.

Any competent minister taking up a portfolio reviews all matters left on the table by her predecessor.

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 9:18 am

That would be Klifford with a “K”?

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 9:18 am

More Flannery in Sydney and more of it on the way……………………….

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR713.loop.shtml#skip

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 20, 2022 9:19 am

she has no responsibility for the BOM rebranding themselves Bunch of Muppets

I’m going to steal that. 😀

‘What a joke’: Bureau of Meteorology faces backlash for $70,000 rebrand (Sky News, 19 Oct)

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 20, 2022 9:19 am

military-industrial ffs.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 20, 2022 9:24 am

I may it wrong but the pathetic judge in the britnee case is saying it has to be unanimous guilty or not guilty. If that’s what she is saying it will have to go to retrial. How many retrials can be had to find a jury willing to convict. How can another jury be found that hasn’t heard previous bits of no evidence. Is this her way of getting out of presiding. I really don’t understand how if you’re not 100% guilty then there is doubt.

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 9:24 am

“The Bureau”. Really? Bureau of what exactly?

There’s something terribly wrong with the people who workshopped this. All the wags need to do is insert their own descriptor.

– wrongology
– alchemy
– weatheriness
– something or other
– mass hysteria

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 9:25 am

Sancho Panzersays:
October 20, 2022 at 8:16 am
And a jolly good morning to you too, Mr Rotten!
You have a nice day now, y’hear.
And don’t lose your place in the Benny Hill joke book.

Godd Moaning (Allo’ Allo) to you as well Mrs Stench Pantyhose. The jokes are from far and wide just like your Big Gob…………………………

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 20, 2022 9:26 am

Not to trivialise it, but Elbow’s decision to reverse the recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital has gone down as well as – if not worse than – the BOM’s ridiculous rebranding of itself.

But it has raised Mz Wong’s statesperson profile via an anti-Trump, pro-Palestinian puff piece in Time magazine.

There’s always that.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 20, 2022 9:27 am

Bons, you are acting spitefully and irrationally. A dishonourable victory will belittle you both.

Fuck.
That.
Shit.
Until they apologise & mean it, fuck them.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 20, 2022 9:28 am

The harm done to family life by Covid rules was probably the worst effect of all.

Today on a tour in Huatulco, Oaxaca, in Mexico, we drove by a small local university.

The young students waiting outside in small groups were about 70% wearing masks.

It is probably still mandatory there for students. In contrast to the earlier stages of Covid, when Mexico as we saw it was very unconcerned and still partying, now they remain in overkill mode. Still taking temperatures etc. in public places although masks seem to be few now except in the university, the central arena of the panic.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 20, 2022 9:28 am

Somewhat along the lines of Heinlein’s Todos Santos.
Niven and Pournelle, Winston.
Best bit was the safety fence on top with the gap, complete with diving board and sign “Think of it as Evolution in Action”.

Rabz
October 20, 2022 9:30 am

There’s something terribly wrong with the people who workshopped this. All the wags need to do is insert their own descriptor.
– wrongology
– alchemy
– weatheriness
– something or other
– mass hysteria

– Mediocrity

Which is what I’ve been calling them for decades.

Roger
Roger
October 20, 2022 9:31 am

“The Bureau”. Really? Bureau of what exactly?

The official advice was that media refer to “The Bureau of Meteorology” in the first instance in a weather report and as “the Bureau” thereafter.

That’s a bit pretentious, but what’s really got on the wick of the average citizen is…

1. The tone deaf timing; and

2. The cost, now reported to be c. $220 000.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 9:31 am

And just for Mrs Stencho Pantyhose –

One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I’ll never know.

– Groucho Marx

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 9:32 am

Incidentally, by his own rationale St. Ruth is dead. Everyone who fails to comment on this august journal of record for more than a week is dead, via the salmon mousse.

Do not tempt fate.
I fear a resurrection.

Roger
Roger
October 20, 2022 9:33 am

But it has raised Mz Wong’s statesperson profile via an anti-Trump, pro-Palestinian puff piece in Time magazine.

There’s always that.

Perhaps she could tour the Gaza Strip next?

I’m sure they’d find Mz. Wong’s story very enlightening.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 20, 2022 9:34 am

she has no responsibility for the BOM rebranding themselves Bunch of Muppets

When something goes well they claim it as their own doing.

When something goes bad it was beyond their control.

It has been funny watching that Karine Jean-Pierre field questions about petrol prices in the US. When they were going up it was the due to oil company greed. When they dipped by a few cents it was due to Biden’s masterful economic management.

She and Psaki make an interesting contrast to Kayleigh McEnany. The latter was part of a White House very keen to get a clear message out. She had all the info at her fingertips and she would pull up any reporter trying to sneak in a lie.

The two former are there to stop information coming out. Speaking in circles, avoiding questions by answering different ones than were asked, and just outright fibs. They aren’t bad at their job. They are perfect.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 20, 2022 9:34 am

On October 12, the FDA approved a EUA for the omicron vaccine version from Pfizer for children five and older. The Moderna version earned a EUA for children six and older. The CDC immediately followed suit. Neither agency convened its advisory committees to evaluate the data. The original vaccine series is authorized under a EUA for children older than six months.

Note the Weasel Words similarly uttered by ScoMo here in Australia

The committee emphasized that adding the COVID vaccines to the VFC ensured access to families who cannot afford vaccines and reiterated that the agency does not issue vaccine mandates for school attendance. These statements are performative, as it is well-established that states and school districts use the VFC to issue mandates.

Rabz
October 20, 2022 9:34 am

The cost, now reported to be c. $220 000

A modest proposal, it would seem. Most public service agency rebrands usually cost taxpayers multiples more than that.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 20, 2022 9:36 am

The cost, now reported to be c. $220 000.

Which I have to admit is chickfeed compared to this insanity:

NZ name change presented to parliament (20 Oct)

Can you imagine the sheer cost of changing everything in New Zealand to a new country name? All because of cultural cringe.

calli
calli
October 20, 2022 9:36 am

The cost, now reported to be c. $220 000
A modest proposal, it would seem

That was just for the Press Release.

The real cost comes later.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 9:37 am

I really don’t understand how if you’re not 100% guilty then there is doubt.

The words are “beyond reasonable doubt”.
Not absolute certainty.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 20, 2022 9:37 am

Kentucky Fried Chicken rebranding itself as KFC was a masterstroke.

Why would the Bureau of Meteorology be so grumpy about BOM.

And the new brand, ‘The Bureau’, sound like the nickname for the FBI – another incompetent politicised body.

And both full of ‘experts’.

shatterzzz
October 20, 2022 9:37 am

Any competent minister taking up a portfolio reviews all matters left on the table by her predecessor.

The “elephant in the room” is using ‘competent’ in relation to Labor ministers .. when the gummint includes not only the “druggie’s moll” but Benny, ” I don’t call Jerusalem home” Wrong, turtle “I’ve got dirt on ’em all, so I’m safe” Bowen, Billy “poisoned blankets” Shitten, Jim “yes. I’m a doctor of sumthin or other” Chalmers and, of course, Luigi “houso” Albo ……

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 20, 2022 9:41 am

I fear a resurrection.

I thought rising from the grave as the living dead was a side effect of the vaxx.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 9:41 am

Civil Unrest Growing in France

From Martin Armstrong –

“Protests are appearing across France as people are demanding changes. I must say, I do respect the French for always taking to the streets when their politicians fail them. And the politicians are certainly failing the people right now. There are ongoing protests regarding the rising cost of living. Winter is coming and people are concerned about basic necessities such as food and energy.

There are now protests demanding that France abandon NATO. The people do not want to enter a war. On the same day that President Macron announced 2,000 Ukrainian troops would be trained on French soil, thousands took to the capital to demand a stop to this madness. The protestors, per usual, called for Macron’s resignation. In addition to abandoning NATO, the French people would like to abandon the European Union. The idea behind the creation of the European Union, a union to end and prevent war in Europe, has clearly FAILED. “Frexit” is becoming a trending topic as the people now see that those in Brussels do not care about the people.

Our computer has indicated that civil unrest would rise going into November. There are protests appearing all over the world, and unfortunately for the opposition, those protests will only heighten as conditions worsen and policies are passed at the expense of the people.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/france/civil-unrest-growing-in-france/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 20, 2022 9:41 am

Someone last night mentioned windy.com
Good idea. For A$30 a year you can get more frequent updates and one hour time resolution.
Read a book on basic meteorology and do your own forecasts. The Bureau of Muppetology uses the same models. They seem to have one of their own for the Australian region. Your forecasts will not be better or worse than those from the BoM. Check the four models when doing your own forecast. It isn’t unusual for one to be an outlier.
The problem is that the inputs aren’t perfect and the errors multiply over several days.
It is instructive to look at a 10 day forecast, do screen caps and then see how that changes as the date gets closer. Pretty good for 12 to 24 hours, worse for 24 to 48, worse still after that. Nothing you can really do anything about. At least current models don’t diverge and produce unphysical results. The used to, then got improved so they look like real weather charts but may not bear any resemblance to actual reality after a few days.

Razey
Razey
October 20, 2022 9:42 am

The BOM is probably full of Bald Old Men, hence their feelz is being hurt.

Roger
Roger
October 20, 2022 9:44 am

The cost, now reported to be c. $220 000

A modest proposal, it would seem. Most public service agency rebrands usually cost taxpayers multiples more than that.

That was just to compose a letter for the media organisations that subscribe to their service.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 20, 2022 9:44 am

The Democrats’ oil folly

by Byron York, Chief Political Correspondent

Therein lies a story

Way, way back, in March 2020, then-President Donald Trump proposed to fill the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to its maximum capacity with U.S.-produced crude oil. That would have involved the purchase of 77 million barrels of oil. Trump wanted to act because oil was cheap, about $24 a barrel, and the United States could effectively top off the tank for a very good price.

At Trump’s behest, Republicans put money for the oil purchase in a big spending bill that was then under consideration on Capitol Hill. That’s when their efforts were stopped cold by Democrats, who labeled Trump’s plan a “$3 billion bailout for big oil.” This is from Roll Call on March 25, 2020: “The Trump administration’s plan to top off the Strategic Petroleum Reserve ran into a blockade … after lawmakers excluded $3 billion in funding for oil purchases from the massive stimulus package before Congress. Senate Democrats took credit for stripping out that money from the Senate bill … calling it a ‘bailout’ for the oil industry.” In particular, then-Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-NY) took personal credit for killing the measure.

It was, to say the least, a shortsighted, politically motivated move.

“If you believe in the purpose of the SPR, now is the perfect time to make sure it’s full,” the energy secretary at the time, Dan Brouillette, said. “We’re expecting that Congress is going to be supportive of this.”

They weren’t. At least Democrats weren’t.

And the effects of Schumer’s move are still being felt today. The Democratic blockade “effectively cost the U.S. billions in potential profits and meant Biden had tens of millions fewer barrels at his disposal with which to counter price surges,” wrote Bloomberg’s Steven T. Dennis last month. On Twitter, Dennis noted that environmental groups cheered Schumer’s blockade. “VICTORY!” tweeted Friends of the Earth on April 3, 2020. “The Energy Department dropped its plan for a $3 billion Big Oil bailout! Thank you @SenSchumer and Senate Democrats for stopping this administration from exploiting a global pandemic to help polluters profit.”

So there it is. If at some point the price of oil does fall below $72 a barrel and Biden moves to replenish the reserve, he will probably tell the country, with Schumer cheering him on, that he’s getting a great deal for the U.S. Then, just remember what happened, and didn’t happen, in 2020.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 9:45 am

Mother Lodesays:

October 20, 2022 at 9:41 am

I fear a resurrection.

I thought rising from the grave as the living dead was a side effect of the vaxx.

Cool!!!
I off for another dose!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 20, 2022 9:46 am

Eyriesays:
October 20, 2022 at 9:41 am
Someone last night mentioned windy.com

also good is

https://www.ventusky.com/

Crossie
Crossie
October 20, 2022 9:48 am

Official experts, like the deformed menagerie of state health officers, were pivotal to the whole debacle that was the COVID response.

Mother Lode, I looked at the recommendations and thought this is the same as what we already had which means the same chaos will ensue next time. I don’t have any faith in our current “experts” whose main attribute is groupthink.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 9:51 am

Here is how the BOM (Bunch Of Muppets) got the Job –

Once upon a time there was a king who wanted to go fishing.

He called the royal weather forecaster and inquired as to the weather forecast for the next few hours. The weatherman assured him that there was no chance of rain in the coming days.

So the king went fishing with his wife, the queen. On the way he met a farmer on his donkey. Upon seeing the king, the farmer said “Your Majesty, you should return to the palace at once because in just a short time I expect a huge amount of rain to fall in this area”.

The king was polite and considerate, he replied “I hold the palace meteorologist in high regard. He is an extensively educated and experienced professional. And besides, I pay him a very high salary. He gave me a very different forecast. I trust him and I will continue on my way” which he did.

However, a short time later a torrential rain fell from the sky. The King and Queen were totally soaked and their entourage chuckled upon seeing them in such a shameful condition.

Furious, the king returned to the palace and gave the order to fire the weatherman. Then he summoned the farmer and offered him the prestigious and high paying role of royal forecaster.

The farmer said “Your Majesty, I do not know anything about forecasting. I obtain my information from my donkey. If I see my donkey’s ears drooping, it means with certainty that it will rain”.

So the king hired the donkey. Thus began the practice of hiring dumb asses to work in the government and occupy its highest and most influential positions.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 20, 2022 9:51 am

Well, that was a dud, I remark to Hairy as we are walking back to the ship from the cramped small tour bus we’d been moved around in. Three traditional villages, seeing village life, had been the description and we’d chosen it as likely the best of an uninspiring lot of tours.

These people are poor in money but very rich in land, says the tour guide, as we go twenty minutes out of town to a ‘rural’ area, which is certainly large and expansive in land, seems to be many miles of it, and most of it terribly overgrown with morning glory and other jungle weeds, very neglected indeed and a crying shame in a country short of good productive land. But we drove through on a very good new road and by homes of reasonable cement block construction, and through some schools which were endowed with huge undercover basketball courts, although empty today. Plenty of small Catholic churches too. The whole thing felt like a large and largely disintegrating mission, which it turned out to be. This was indigenous territory and we’d been conned.

These traditional Oaxaca live a relatively privileged life, growing their own crops. We watched some desultory tortilla making but the whole show was to take us to a few well-provided undercover meeting places where outsiders as well as a few locals came and sold trinkets at each stop while the tour host pointed vaguely to some corn and cactus growing. Government money had been poured in here to develop a ‘tourist’ experience, but that was it: a very dismal experience made worse by the rain. The locals didn’t care very much except for the rake-off they received from each tour. Given the poverty we’d seen elsewhere, this smacked rather too much of our own ‘aboriginality’ efforts in Australia. That said, at least some of the community worked in the town resorts, as the whole town exists on Mexicans coming here on their holidays. The ‘old people’ are teaching us their ways, we were told, but there didn’t seem to be too much knowledge of them to transmit to tourists from what we could see. Indigeneity seemed like a handy hook for a free ride others didn’t get. Plus ca change.

How did you get these roads? I asked one tour guide, a local. We worked hard to get them, she said, and I waited to here more about this ‘community effort’. We had to organise a lot to ask the government for them, she said, which spoke volumes about the general lassitude and poverty and dirtiness. Why are the children not at school today? asked one woman on the tour. It is raining, came back as the answer. They don’t like to come then so they stay home and watch the television. That said it all really.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 20, 2022 9:56 am

I should add that it was the wet season and it rains most days!

Crossie
Crossie
October 20, 2022 9:58 am

As my for my f*cking family, they are dead to me. The staggeringly stupid hysterical gullible mongrel nazi bastards.

Rabz, that is such a sad situation and I am sorry you were abandoned by family who are by definition meant to look out for us.

I am fortunate to have reasonable people in my family where everyone was invited and anyone who wasn’t comfortable could decide not to attend family gatherings themselves rather than be excluded.

There are two elderly friends who are still uncomfortable coming to visit but I can’t blame them for their fears as they are frail. Phone conversations are second best to a warm hug.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 20, 2022 9:59 am

Steggall compares energy companies to tobacco
Jess Malcolm
JESS MALCOLM

Independent MP Zali Steggall has compared alcohol and tobacco companies to energy organisations amid an ongoing debate over whether elite sports should take funding from mining and energy companies.

Ms Steggall said high emitting companies are having a “huge impact” on people’s long term health and were operating on the “same playbook” as alcohol and tobacco companies.

“Unfortunately you can because we do know that from a carbon emissions point of view and high emitting companies are having a huge impact on our long term health,” Ms Steggall told Sky News.

“So yes, you can compare it because they’re actually doing it from the very same place. So fossil fuel companies in the last 10 years, very much like tobacco companies, issue a lot of papers denying emissions and climate change and delaying I guess society’s acceptance of the need to do something about this.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 20, 2022 10:00 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 20, 2022 at 9:56 am
I should add that it was the wet season and it rains most days!

Sounds like Sydney except

I should add that it was the wet years and it rains most days!

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 20, 2022 10:01 am

I thought rising from the grave as the living dead was a side effect of the vaxx.

Government Reports prove that Zombie’s are up by 11,283%.

Now, about that Cup of Coffee…

Razey
Razey
October 20, 2022 10:05 am

If the abbo’s can get self-determination, then why can’t every ethnic group in Australia get self-determination.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 20, 2022 10:08 am

It found lockdowns and border closures, which triggered significant social and economic costs, should have been a “last resort”.

So in effect its stating what was in the existing 2019 pandemic plan.
All the crap which was rated as ineffective or unsupported by evidence or costs massively outweighing any benefit in that plan that they stampeded straight to like gerbils to Richard Geres nether regions.

Zipster
Zipster
October 20, 2022 10:08 am

Our computer has indicated that civil unrest would rise going into November.

this guy claims he has an AI that can predict financial markets. its complete BS. He claims his AI was written decade ago and can answer questions about why certain things will happen. it’s a complete scam.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 10:08 am

Government Reports prove that Zombie’s are up by 11,283%.

That’s a lot.
Almost triple.

Zipster
Zipster
October 20, 2022 10:09 am

However, this is the first report to demonstrate the
presence of the spike protein within the encephalitic lesions and to attribute it to vaccination rather than infection

anything covid does, the vaccine will do 10 times worse

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 10:10 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 20, 2022 at 9:56 am
I should add that it was the wet season and it rains most days!

It rained nearly every day when I lived in England and I still went to School and everyone still carried on working. Wimps !!!!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 20, 2022 10:11 am

We spoke with an American Franciscan Catholic priest on this tour, who told us of the terrible poverty he had witnessed in Mexico City and of his work there. The gangs had been a constant problem and he seems to have retired back to America, as he was on board as a tourist now. Four priests were shot recently in Mexico City by the gangs, he tell us. Why is uncertain, but probably because they were working with the poor communities in ways which interfered with gangland ops.

Not as many armed enforcers were present at this port of call; more on the tourist route for locals as well as cruise ships and this very different to the last one, a major port town and likely to have gang involvement in processing drugs for export.

Winston Smith
October 20, 2022 10:12 am

Eyrie:

Niven and Pournelle, Winston.

I knew that, Eyrie. But you knew I did anyway.

(I think I got away with it, but.)

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 20, 2022 10:13 am

When I was doing my skipper’s ticket at Freo Maritime College in the 80’s, there was a young lady who worked at BOM. She really struggled at meteorology, never looked out the window. It was obvious the rot had already set in. The best was a young guy who grew up on a coastal farm.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 10:13 am

anything covid does, the vaccine will do 10 times worse

Yes, but it is NOT a vaccine. It is a drug with an experimental delivery system and only emergency approval. Is the so called ‘Emergency’ now over?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 20, 2022 10:13 am

Da economy, da floods …

It’s all caused by the Cly Mutt Chains!

Zealots have always been dangerous. Zealots that are this dumb smells of the 1930s.

Crossie
Crossie
October 20, 2022 10:16 am

BoM spent just $70,000 to rebrand? That’s nothing, the institution I work for spent 50 million some years ago.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 20, 2022 10:17 am

Scratch that.

I think they said: “It’s the Climber Chains!”

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 10:17 am

Zipstersays:
October 20, 2022 at 10:08 am
Our computer has indicated that civil unrest would rise going into November.

this guy claims he has an AI that can predict financial markets. its complete BS. He claims his AI was written decade ago and can answer questions about why certain things will happen. it’s a complete scam.

Seems to be a very good scam as it works. BTW it is not AI.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 20, 2022 10:17 am

The way to be truly happy is to have a loving, caring and large family, that all live in another country!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 10:18 am

The cropping farmers here might have a different view of the BoM, because they obviously watch it a lot more closely, but my impression is that their forecasts are pretty good 5-7 days out. Beyond that (up to two weeks) the timing might be out by half a day.
Not bad really.
They just need to stop trying to be 30 year climate seers.

Razey
Razey
October 20, 2022 10:25 am

Australia spends well in excess of $30 billion just on the abo’s. Divide that by the 14.7 million tax payers, that a fee of $2,000 each. This fee will only keep going up.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 20, 2022 10:27 am

I think the diversity hire has given up.

cohenite
October 20, 2022 10:28 am

Don’t worry folks, it’s all going to end soon. Astronomers have detected an imminent collision between the universe’s 2 largest black holes: gravitational waves will seperate and destroy atoms: life as we know it will end: men will become women, kids will become endless genders and humans will worship giant batteries. Oh wait, that’s already happening.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 20, 2022 10:30 am

Clear skies with some cloud.
Chance of rain in the morning, afternoon or evening.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 20, 2022 10:31 am

Now, for today’s horoscope …

Roger
Roger
October 20, 2022 10:33 am

BoM spent just $70,000 to rebrand? That’s nothing…

$220 000…that we know of…and it’s tax payers money at a time of looming austerity.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 20, 2022 10:34 am

Government Reports prove that Zombie’s are up by 11,283%.

Well since government reports are self-evidently written by zombies, and government report production is up by a similar amount, it sounds fairly accurate to me.

We should convert Liddell to burning old government reports. That would be both green biomass and recycling! And they’d never run out of fuel.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 20, 2022 10:34 am

Beyond that (up to two weeks) the timing might be out by half a day.

Now and again by sheer dumb luck maybe. Do what I suggested and verify for yourself.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 20, 2022 10:36 am

For Sale.
Eurofighter Typhoon.
One owner.

Razey
Razey
October 20, 2022 10:38 am

lotocotisays:
October 20, 2022 at 10:36 am
For Sale.
Eurofighter Typhoon.
One owner.

I have some French rifles for sale. Never used, dropped once.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 20, 2022 10:39 am

Now and again by sheer dumb luck maybe. Do what I suggested and verify for yourself.

Got better things to do.
I don’t have anything which is weather critical that far out to be bothered.

Johnny Rotten
October 20, 2022 10:39 am

otocotisays:
October 20, 2022 at 10:36 am
For Sale.
Eurofighter Typhoon.
One owner.

For sale. H Bomb. Never been used. YET……………………..

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