Open Thread- Mon 11 Oct 2021


Antigone with Polynices’ Body, Sebastien Norblin, 1825

3,116 responses to “Open Thread- Mon 11 Oct 2021”

  1. Gab Avatar
    Gab

    Bar Beach Swimmersays:
    October 15, 2021 at 8:32 am
    I note that Scummo said yesterday that private business does not need to mandate vaccines to ensure against the risk of legal action for having claims made of an unsafe work environment. How amazing!

    That announcement was made on august 13.

    It was horseshit then, it is horseshit now.

  2. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    We must never forget and forgive those who have done this to us.

    Forgiving them would be predicated on their admission they lied to us, the offer of an abject apology followed by resignation from their positions, the foregoing of their tax payer funded superannuation and the devotion of the rest of their lives to good works out of the public eye, only to pop up again via their funeral notice.

    But forget? Never.

  3. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    We must never forget and forgive those who have done this to us.
    With hindsight I think the actions of the political class since 1974 showed that they were perfectly capable of doing what they did in the last 18 months. My view is that political class has become much more pronounced, cut off, exclusive, contemptuous of the demos and arrogant over the last 20 years.

  4. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Number of cases where death was a reported outcome: 204

    Add in the AZ data and since there is immense political pressure to avoid blaming the vaccines for adverse medical incidents I’d say it’s pretty clear that the vaccines have now caused more deaths than the virus has.

    “Safe and effective”…

  5. Mater Avatar
    Mater

    Forgiving them would be predicated on their admission they lied to us

    https://newcatallaxy.blog/2021/10/15/why-so-keen/

  6. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Dudded.
    Not duded.

  7. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Matrix at 10:04

    Important information! The TGA uses adverse event reports to identify when a safety issue may be present.

    But read on dear reader …

    An adverse event report does not mean that the medicine is the cause of the adverse event.

    This is the rawest of raw data.
    Deaths within x days of receiving a medication.
    At the very best, a possible starting point for further study. I’ll bet 200 people died last year within two weeks of receiving an anaesthetic.
    Some from the condition they were being treated for.
    Some from suicide after getting a shit diagnosis.
    Some in car accidents.
    Maybe some from the anaesthetic.
    But you wouldn’t know without further investigation.
    Correlation is not causation.

  8. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Timothy Neilson says:
    October 15, 2021 at 9:56 am
    Oi! University Bludge Courses have built our nation!

    Exactly what they’ve built is anyone’s guess.

    Those overseas students’ fees don’t just roll in by themselves you know.
    You need to offer a credible visa – sorry, I mean “curriculum” in order to attract the brightest and best.

    That is exactly what international students are all about. It is a migration scheme approved by universities, builders of high rises and other residential projects and of course, the politicians. The rest of us and our children get priced out of the housing market and get get dumbed down uni courses.

  9. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    We must never forget and forgive those who have done this to us.

    Never.

  10. Gab Avatar
    Gab

    So two people just turned up at my door, clipboard in hand, I didn’t answer

  11. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    in this instance, state law triumphs over Commonwealth law

    calli, it does when the Commonwealth has deserted the field before the fight.

  12. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    That is exactly what international students are all about. It is a migration scheme approved by universities, builders of high rises and other residential projects and of course, the politicians. The rest of us and our children get priced out of the housing market and get get dumbed down uni courses.

    Which malaka in the hoWARd regime thought up this abomination? Sounds like Kemp.

  13. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    There is a video of Let’s Go Brandon visiting a factory, in the background on a wall is a sign that says Build Back Better. The factory put it there? Not likely.

    It’s hard to reach any conclusion other than the current destruction is being orchestrated globally.

  14. dover0beach Avatar

    Was listening to Mitchell yesterday morning. Something I don’t normally do and someone called in to tell that AusPost are exempt from the having to be vaxxed by today or indefinite leave. He was surprised. Had no idea all Cwlth workers were made exempt last week.

    I was driving at the time and spontaneously started yelling at the radio. How the hell does some one gas-bagging on radio daily not know this? How does not a single producer let him know? Just how dumb is Mitchell?

  15. dover0beach Avatar

    Correlation is not causation.

    I will concede this in the case of the vaccines only when every purported COVID death is put through the same investigatory regime and this is reflected in our daily stats. Until then, if it’s ‘died with COVID’, it’s also going to be died with vaxx too. What’s good for the goose…

  16. A Suggestion Avatar
    A Suggestion

    Correlation is not causation.

    Yes it is because CO2 causes global warming.

  17. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    This is the rawest of raw data.
    Deaths within x days of receiving a medication.
    At the very best, a possible starting point for further study. I’ll bet 200 people died last year within two weeks of receiving an anaesthetic.
    Some from the condition they were being treated for.
    Some from suicide after getting a shit diagnosis.
    Some in car accidents.
    Maybe some from the anaesthetic.
    But you wouldn’t know without further investigation.
    Correlation is not causation.

    The issues that caused death post vaccine are listed on TGA, mostly clots heart inflammation and lung inflammation etc. If you compare this to the normal rate of these issues over time you can see what the excess is. If the vaccine pushed people over the edge we would expect to see a blip and then a reduction. Now if only we had access to this data…

  18. sfw Avatar
    sfw

    It now doesn’t matter if the vaxxes kill people, if they have long term effects or really don’t change your chances of getting or spreading wuflu. The pollies, the experts, the media can’t walk this back. There’s no way they can or will say we made a mistake or went too hard. All they can do is double down and push harder.

  19. P Avatar
    P

    Euthanasia’s devastation: bad luck for the have-nots in our brave new two-class society
    By Archbishop Anthony Fisher OP -October 15, 2021

    Don’t be fooled by talk of how ‘conservative’ the Alex Greenwich kill bill is. It’s very radical. There are very few real protections. No real safeguards for the depressed. Or for those being encouraged to ‘volunteer’ for euthanasia. For those who’ve been misdiagnosed. Or for rights of conscience.

  20. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Correlation is not causation.

    Dearest Sancho Punza.

    then why does a cut and paste from the Daen database make you stutter so?

  21. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Just how dumb is Mitchell?

    Mitchell is the Scarecrow, the Tinman, and the Lion rolled into one fabulous 0830 mini-series

  22. srr Avatar
    srr

    “dover0beach says:
    October 15, 2021 at 10:29 am
    Was listening to Mitchell yesterday morning. Something I don’t normally do and someone called in to tell that AusPost are exempt from the having to be vaxxed by today or indefinite leave. He was surprised. Had no idea
    all Cwlth workers were made exempt last week.

    I was driving at the time and spontaneously started yelling at the radio. How the hell does some one gas-bagging on radio daily not know this? How does not a single producer let him know? Just how dumb is Mitchell?”

    ***
    “P says:
    October 15, 2021 at 10:38 am

    Euthanasia’s devastation: bad luck for the have-nots in our brave new two-class society
    By Archbishop Anthony Fisher OP -October 15, 2021

    Don’t be fooled by talk of how ‘conservative’ the Alex Greenwich kill bill is. It’s very radical. There are very few real protections. No real safeguards for the depressed. Or for those being encouraged to ‘volunteer’ for euthanasia. For those who’ve been misdiagnosed. Or for rights of conscience.”
    ***
    And from my favourite Director – Bong Joon-ho –

    “Snowpiercer (2013): Mason’s Speech
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_47ph6EvQPU

    In a future where a failed global-warming experiment kills off all life on the planet except for a lucky few that boarded the Snowpiercer, a train that travels around the globe, where a class system evolves.

  23. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    Yes it is because CO2 causes global warming.

    If there actually was correlation between anthropogenic CO2 and global temperature, the argument would have been pretty much over in 1988.

  24. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    This is the rawest of raw data.
    Deaths within x days of receiving a medication.
    At the very best, a possible starting point for further study.

    This is why all the data should be open source.

  25. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Mitchell’s voice is like a cold clammy hand on your shoulder. Brought to you by hoWARd’s treasurer.

  26. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    This is why all the data should be open source.

    I expect the the mRNA owners will either fight or collude when it comes down to who owns the data

    cage-fight Pfizer v Moderna

    lawyers place yr bets

  27. srr Avatar
    srr

    Remember the Tinman
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj8fwWTZhD0
    Tracy Chapman

    There are locks on the doors
    And chains stretched across all the entries to the inside
    There’s a gate and a fence
    And bars to protect from only God knows what lurks outside
    Who stole your heart left you with a space
    That no one and nothing can fill
    Who stole your heart who took it away
    Knowing that without it you can’t live
    Who took away the part so essential to the whole
    Left you a hollow body
    Skin and bone
    What robber what thief who stole your heart and the key

    Who stole your heart
    The smile from your face
    The innocence the light from your eyes
    Who stole your heart or did you give it away
    And if so then when and why

    Who took away the part so essential to the whole
    Left you a hollow body
    Skin and bone
    What robber what thief
    Who stole your heart and the key

    Now all sentiment is gone
    Now you have no trust in no one

    Who stole your heart
    Did you know but forget the method and moment in time
    Was it a trickster using mirrors and sleight of hand
    A strong elixir or a potion that you drank
    Who hurt your heart
    Bruised it in a place
    That no one and nothing can heal

    You’ve gone to wizards, princes and magic men
    You’ve gone to witches, the good the bad the indifferent
    But still all sentiment is gone
    But still you have no trust in no one

    If you can tear down the walls
    Throw your armor away remove all roadblocks barricades
    If you can forget there are bandits and dragons to slay
    And don’t forget that you defend an empty space
    And remember the tinman
    Found he had what he thought he lacked
    Remember the tinman
    Go find your hear and take it back

    Who stole your heart
    Maybe no one can say
    One day you will find it I pray

  28. P Avatar
    P

    White House Confirms Oct. 29 Meeting Between Pope Francis and Joe Biden

    WASHINGTON — The White House has confirmed that President Joe Biden and his wife Jill will meet with Pope Francis on Oct. 29 at the Vatican.

    According to a Thursday statement by White House press secretary Jen Psaki, the Bidens will discuss several issues with the pope, including “ending the COVID-19 pandemic, tackling the climate crisis, and caring for the poor.”

  29. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    So from the 1st November, someone can fly into Sydney from overseas & travel to any part of NSW if they have been double jabbed & show a negative test before boarding.

    But someone from NSW, who isn’t double jabbed, can not travel to other parts of the state or go to their local pub until 1st Dec.

  30. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Some common sense prevails, finally

    hotel quarantine in nsw ends on 1 November

  31. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Three dirty old stinks getting together at the vatican eh. Ofcourse cranky frankie and the old thief were installed by the same group.

  32. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Fake pope, meets fake president with fake doctor wife.
    LARPing.

  33. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Interesting times.

    Just had someone highlight to me that I was essentially singled out by a senior manager on an internal company chat page. We are in full compliance except for one…..

    Given that I was receiving calls and messages all yesterday to see how I was going. It’s pretty clear the “one” means rickw.

  34. dover0beach Avatar

    Melinda Richards Flag of AustraliaFlag of United States
    @goodfoodgal
    ·
    11m
    Apparently Cole’s & Woolworths introducing the ability to pay for groceries via your QR code.

    It’s going to be called eQR.

    Yep…plan coming along nicely.

    Twostix is right. A lot of nasty plans waiting for just this scenario are being pulled out of office draws and are being inflicted on the public on the back of 18 months of persistent COVID porn that has many, many people anxious and afraid and willing to tolerate almost anything for ‘safety’.

  35. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    cage-fight Pfizer v Moderna

    Couple of days ago the FDA was umming and ahhing about giving approval to Moderna’s booster. Then suddenly yesterday it was approved. Cynical me wondered how big the donation was.

    FDA Staff: Moderna Did Not Meet All Criteria for COVID-19 Boosters (13 Oct)

    FDA Endorses Lower-Dose Moderna COVID Booster (14 Oct)

    Miraculous!

  36. calli Avatar
    calli

    But someone from NSW, who isn’t double jabbed, can not travel to other parts of the state or go to their local pub until 1st Dec.

    Correct.

    Welcome to the twilight world of the Single Jabbee.

    And don’t kid yourself that everyone coming in from o/s is “double jabbed” either. Regardless of “papers”.

  37. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    Gabsays:
    October 15, 2021 at 10:21 am
    So two people just turned up at my door, clipboard in hand, I didn’t answer

    Always pays to have the garden close by.

  38. calli Avatar
    calli

    Apparently Cole’s & Woolworths introducing the ability to pay for groceries via your QR code.

    Soon it will be the only way to pay.

  39. Bons Avatar

    Dr Faustus. With greatest respect, you are wrong.
    Australia has not survived this “arseclown”.
    PS. When did the World’s most incompetent central, bank obtain the right to impose non economic public policy dictates? Thanks LNP you non-useful idiots.

  40. Delta A Avatar
    Delta A

    I feel like calling Frank Walker and saying that if I ever need tiles they won’t be purchased from a 3AW advertiser. Likewise White Lady Funerals and the Blind factory.

    Do it!

    That’s precisely how Getup and other lefties influence the media to cancel ideas and people they don’t like.

    Time for the good guys to fight dirty, too.

  41. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    Remember the Tinman
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj8fwWTZhD0
    Tracy Chapman

    Is Tracy Chapman a vogon?

  42. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    feelthebernsays:
    October 15, 2021 at 10:21 am
    We must never forget and forgive those who have done this to us.

    Never.

    And make them pay and pay and pay. There won’t be enough pineapples to start with.

  43. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Until then, if it’s ‘died with COVID’, it’s also going to be died with vaxx too. What’s good for the goose…

    I don’t accept either premise as valid.
    I am fond of pointing out that inconsistency to “IStandWifDans”, but really only in support of my argument for a much more proportional response to Kung Flu.
    That is, do away with ridiculous and useless LockDans, and target vaccines where the Covid risk outweighs the vaccine risk.
    (Somewhere north of 50 years of age and fatties).

  44. dover0beach Avatar

    Michael P Senger
    @MichaelPSenger
    Massive protests have erupted all across Italy, where over a million workers have gone on strike after the government announced a vaccine mandate for nearly all forms of employment.

    Australian MSM ignoring the above.

  45. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Just had someone highlight to me that I was essentially singled out by a senior manager on an internal company chat page

    Hey rick.
    About 20 years ago I was working on the solar bleeding edge and for a while there after Bali bombs and funding problems, the company ran out of dosh.

    A great number of us spent 6months or more working for zero dollars. Anyway after some cash came in they paid us back some dollars.

    What I did notice at the time was how the legal end of the building changed attitude.
    Then the management changed attitude
    Then one by on, everybody that had worked for zero bucks was picked off one at a time.

    It was almost as if there was problem in the background with ownership of IP or something.
    anyway, in the end none of the originals remained except the owners

    I will wager that your ex-management Rick, have recognized that they have a new set of problems on their hands now

    Form their point of view it probably would have been much less risky to have gotten you to consent.

    This may well turn out to bite them on the arse

  46. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    Tommy Robinson on the NT Mandate

    Is this true?

    If we ever get past this no one will want to come within a mile of us. I certainly wouldn’t if I lived elsewhere.

  47. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it

    Pericles.

  48. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Welcome to the twilight world of the Single Jabbee.

    Single jabbees can go to church next Sunday, assuming NSW hits the ineffable 80% by Monday.
    Naughty leprous reprobates aren’t allowed to go to church until 1 Dec.
    If then, given the sudden backflip on recalcitrant NW NSW.
    I think I should start crying out “Unclean! Unclean!”

  49. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    That is, do away with ridiculous and useless LockDans, and target vaccines where the Covid risk outweighs the vaccine risk.
    (Somewhere north of 50 years of age and fatties).

    This has been the cat’s general position for the last year. What we can surmise is that the extension of the vaccine into unnecessary cohorts is for an unstated purpose.

    This can range from mass protection against further S1 based bioweapons. Highly likely. To installation of infrastructure for slow infiltration of social credit. Also highly likely.

  50. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    With every COVID positive test, the number of cycles should also be reported.
    All this data should be available to the public.

    Every death from/with COVID should also say:
    1) how many cycles;
    2) the brand & vaccine history (to the day);
    3) hospital history (to the day), ie did they present to hospital because they had COVID or did they get it while in hospital for something else.

    All this should be publicly available.

  51. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    Report: Vaccinated Delta Pilot Does Mid-Flight, Plane Makes Emergency Landing

    This possibility has been raised here several times. If they were really interested in safety, then it should be mandated that at least one of the pilots NOT be vaccinated.

  52. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Do it!

    That’s precisely how Getup and other lefties influence the media to cancel ideas and people they don’t like.

    Time for the good guys to fight dirty, too.”

    Correct…it’s time we did the same. Everyday Sky advertisers are targeted by leftist/progressive scum.
    Until we do the same, nothing will change.

  53. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Keep in mind, all this data has been collected.
    It’s just being kept from the public.

  54. dover0beach Avatar

    I don’t accept either premise as valid.

    The premise is entirely practical. If someone is punching me, I’m going to punch back until they stop. Only once they’ve stopped will I engage in the intellectual arguments about the justified use of force.

  55. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    The TGA assigns 9 deaths as being due to the vaccine.
    Mandating something that transfers the risk of death from one group to another is evil.
    The actual numbers matter very little.
    A principle has been breached.

  56. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it
    Pericles.

    Pericles died of bat crud, or something not unlike it. Twenty five years later Athens was taken over by fascists. The locals left, especially Xenophon.

  57. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Libertarians should have fought compulsory seatbelt wearing, random breath tests, bicycle helmets and smoking taxes much. much harder.
    It’s these things that led us here.
    Compulsory seatbelts was the first. That initial resort to do gooding compulsion rather than rational persuasion was the lit fuse.

  58. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    I was driving at the time and spontaneously started yelling at the radio. How the hell does some one gas-bagging on radio daily not know this? How does not a single producer let him know? Just how dumb is Mitchell?

    Dumb?
    Or afraid?
    He is always banging on about “inconsistencies” in Kung Flu restrictions, always putting it down to “hastily drafted orders” or “bureaucratic bungling”.
    He refuses to see that most of the “inconsistencies” are deliberate ideological targetting.
    The latest is “viability agreements” with private hospitals. Public elective surgery patients are being shunted to private hospitals to free up space in public hospitals. Not only that, public patients have to be given priority over privately insured patients.
    Neil sees this as “left hand-right hand bureacratic confusion”. It isn’t. It is driven by the far left ideologues in Dan’s office.
    And the term “viability agreement” is a sinister Orwellian term in itself.
    It really means, “we will shut you down indefinitely if you don’t sign”.

  59. struth Avatar
    struth

    You really think the pure bloods will be free on Deceber 1st?
    Or that “Claytons” freedom the double death jabbed are having.
    Good Lord, as the evidence piles in, death upon vaccine deaths, Vaccine injury upon vaccine injury….and that the vaccine is useless anyway, all of them, and most of us know someone who has been effected, ….the jab takers are still not free, have traded their entire lives to be free to leave their houses and go to a local coffee shop for now, and spend hours dribbling shit here trying to justify their actions, in doing so, attempting to tell others the death jab is fine.
    Without the slightest concern for what is happening OS as well, it’s purely disgusting, and if through you submitters trying to justify your weakness publicly, soften someone else’s resolve to remain unjabbed, then I curse you.
    You did it to yourself.
    Don’t you dare even suggest to others it is OK.
    IT IS UNTESTED.
    What they actually know about it……..it kills and is not a vaccine.
    Lizzie tries to talk paragraphs of technical bullshit that can’t get passed a few logical statements.
    If you can be asymptomatic and test positive for covid, LOGICALLY, the ramifications mean no one can tell you how bad your symptoms would have been when unjabbed compared to Jabbed.
    There is nothing LOGICAL and the science is corrupt.
    The vaccines are killing and maiming and now the reports are coming in that the AFLD’s said would happen last year. The jab stuffs your natural immunity and the first cold you catch you are going to go down.
    I told you this back last year.
    Now look at England.
    Get the jab, you deserve all that is coming to you.

  60. Bons Avatar

    And through it all the unseen, unremarked, malevolent crony Photios and his repulsive Medusa Mrs rule every aspect of non-union Australian politics.
    Incredible that they exercise such universal power but their names are never mentioned.
    His appointment of Perrotett is a classic Photios misinformation exercise. The equivalent of Andrapov convincing the gullible West that Ceausescu was the new face of benign Communism.
    If Dom was his own man, Kean would be in the bin now, but he is not his own man. An unwitting, probably well meaning but cowardly false flag.
    The interesting aspect of Andrapov’s gambit was that it was the big corporates that fell for it and poured billions into Romania. Familiar?

  61. Dot Avatar

    Libertarians should have fought compulsory seatbelt wearing, random breath tests, bicycle helmets and smoking taxes much. much harder.

    We do. We still do and always will. Or I wasn’t around when these laws wee enacted. Or we get some mong who rooly likes John Howard telling you these things don’t matter, running interference as usual, whilst telling you that actually caring about principles is “running interference!”.

  62. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    Correct…it’s time we did the same. Everyday Sky advertisers are targeted by leftist/progressive scum.
    Until we do the same, nothing will change.

    everyone must now be an activist of some form or other

  63. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Libertarians were/are the only people who should fight.
    Makes sense.
    Kind of makes them the Jedi’s of the community.

  64. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Sportsbet has just taken a 50k bet on Classique Legend to win the Everest tomorrow.

  65. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Seriously, postcode snobbery has reared its puny head, and I’m supposed to be abashed.

    Bullshit. You did what you always do; descend into oh my godism.
    You clearly don’t recognise irony. Let me show you Mt. Druitt one day.

    This place must be full of the most appalling middle class snobs suffering from tall poppy syndrome against me. But I guess I knew that.

    What ‘university snobbery’ do you refer to?
    You criticised my qualifications. That’s your snobbery, not mine.

    Get lost and take your stupid upticking dicks with you, Timothy.

    ————————

    On matters epidemiological, the vaccines are not perfect but not all supposed side-effect and death reporting is due to a vaccine. Given the millions and millions of doses received it is not difficult to interview people who feel they have been injured by the vaccines or whose believe their family members have died from the vaccine. You can fill pages with their stories, and some of them are concerning and real, but this is not epidemiological data. What is the relative risk is always the question.

    I agree that the real rate of attributable death and injury is too high. I hope for better vaxxes, but all vaxxes have their problems as do most medications. People who have never before had to address medical statistics suddenly find themselves shocked by death statistics. Deaths are a part of life. Iatrogenic injuries also happen, which is why medical epidemiology exists, to determine some correlations and seek likely causations. Without evidential medicine, it’s all herbs and potions, smoke and mirrors.

    Don’t like the genuinely attributable outcomes, then judge for yourself your risk of dying of Covid and don’t take the vaxx. Fine by me. It’s also fine by me if you decide against the vaxx for any other reason too, even reasons based on spurious data. It’s your decision.

    Not fine by me is governmental over-reach against people who decide not to get vaxxed.

  66. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    The premise is entirely practical. If someone is punching me, I’m going to punch back until they stop. Only once they’ve stopped will I engage in the intellectual arguments about the justified use of force.

    And the edited version appears on the six o’clock news as “Rabid Anti-Vaxer attacks frontline wukka”.
    I agree with Arky that we (they) have used blanket vaxing to transfer risk to a younger demographic.
    Vaxing should have been restricted to older groups (arguably over 50’s, possibly over 60’s), fatsos, asthmatics and those with other co-morbidities.

  67. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Vaxing should have been restricted to older groups (arguably over 50’s, possibly over 60’s), fatsos, asthmatics and those with other co-morbidities.

    Also called the Hazzardites.

    No srr, they are not another tribe of Israel for you to have a crack at.

  68. A Suggestion Avatar
    A Suggestion

    Dr Faustus says:
    October 15, 2021 at 10:48 am

    Yes it is because CO2 causes global warming.

    If there actually was correlation between anthropogenic CO2 and global temperature, the argument would have been pretty much over in 1988.

    Sorry, I forgot to add the SARC tags. Does anyone on this blog believe CO2 causes global warming?

  69. A Suggestion Avatar
    A Suggestion

    And the edited version appears on the six o’clock news as “Rabid Anti-Vaxer attacks frontline wukka”.

    What, are you some kind of literal robot. Do you understand the word metaphor.

  70. areff Avatar
    areff

    The Age — yeah, I know — has a first-person story of an epidemiologist being subjected to all sorts of trolling, abuse and threats of violence. Shocking stuff, the implication being that knuckle-dragging anti-vaxxers are on the warpath against our public health heroes, so frenzied is their enmity that she has been escorted to and from work and takes alternate routes home.

    Except, if you read this from 2017, it seems she is an “Aboriginal health specialist”, with all that implies.

    In her latest self-referencing herogram she recounts a home invasion in which her hubby was bashed and the only things taken were her notebooks. More harassment of selfless public health tyros?

    Not quite. The attack happened “about 10 years ago”, when she was into Aboriginal business, so we can guess it had to do with internecine Aboriginal feuding.

    She’s also listed as an aboriginal health specialist on her university contact page. But The Age, dishonest as it is decrepit, mentions none of that. Much better to mislead readers into believing her COVID work, whatever that might be, has made her a target for loonies.

  71. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    The jab stuffs your natural immunity and the first cold you catch you are going to go down.

    I suspect sars-cov2 does the same

  72. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Libertarians were/are the only people who should fight.
    Makes sense.
    Kind of makes them the Jedi’s of the community.

    Dot would make a pretty good Jedi.
    He should have a purple light sabre.

  73. Mater Avatar
    Mater

    I agree with Arky that we (they) have used blanket vaxing to transfer risk to a younger demographic.

    Those that will be around significantly longer to allow any potential side effects to manifest as something quite ugly.

  74. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Come on Dot. On the rare occasions that I give a positive nod to libertarians you should feel happy.

  75. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Good comment there at 11.25, Bons, with an interesting historical referencing.

  76. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Does anyone on this blog believe CO2 causes global warming?

    I do. 2XCO2 appears to be roughly 0.5 C, which is a little bit of global warming, but not anything remotely dangerous. It’s also logarithmic, so self limiting.

  77. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    Alcohol home delivery service Jimmy Brings investigated after man’s death
    The Bondi man spent about $24K with the service in the years before his death
    He ordered up to three bottles of wine a day in the weeks before he passed
    investigation to determine whether RSA rules were breached by the service
    New rules for online delivery services came into effect in July this year

    Australians HATE personal responsibility.

    And when they discover people simply ordering smaller amounts from multiple suppliers they will demand a register or a passport or something.

    Ultimately the fundamental flaw in any notion of ‘freedom’ is that people will sometimes live their lives in a way not approved of by pointless committees of pointless bureaucrats who believe they are better suited to running our lives than we are.

    Hell, I myself chose to get myself a double espresso from a coffee shop without checking diversity targets, climate impacts, vulnerable species, indigenous sensibilities, medical risks if I drank too much espresso (such as a bucket), etc. Having freedom is like careening down a rocky hillside in a cart with the steering gone, stomach in your mouth, blood pounding in your ears, knuckles white, mind racing to keep up with the chaotic pell-mell rushing scenery leaping about in front of you, knowing you will only snatch a glimpse of what flings you to destruction out of the corner of your eye in the first torn moment of ‘too late’.

    Thank God for our enlightened bureaucratic overlords and the immaculate order of prudes, wowsers and busy-bodies devoted to saving us from ourselves who guide them.

  78. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    On the death from/with vaxes.
    1. About 170,000 people die each year in Australia. That is 3,200 each week.
    2. Taking double-vaxxed only, there have been about 13,000,000 two-shots over a period of about six months.
    3. All other things being equal, 85,000 people would have died during that period.
    4. The fact that 200 died within two weeks of receiving a vax is not, in and of itself, evidence of anything.
    Does it warrant further investigation in cases where there is no other clear and apparent cause of death? Absolutely.

  79. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    feelthebernsays:
    October 15, 2021 at 11:29 am
    Libertarians were/are the only people who should fight.

    ..
    Yes. People should fight for their principles.
    To convince other and enact/ get rid of laws.
    Who else do you think is going to fight for your libertarian hobby horses? Marxists? Liberals?
    Conservatives aren’t going to, they have other priorities. But you can convince consrvatives, contrarians and traditionalists to support you if you put the case correctly and are in turn prepared to listen to conservatives priorities instead of blowing them off as always against the most arcane and strictest parts of your ideology.

  80. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I agree with Arky that we (they) have used blanket vaxing to transfer risk to a younger demographic.

    I agree with that assessment too. It is well founded epidemiologically, given that older people are the most at-risk group for Covid. The balance of vaccine injury vs Covid injury tips less strongly in favour of the vaccine amongst most young people. There is definitely a debate to be had about total population vaxxing vs selective vaxxing. Vaxxing under 18’s has gone beyond my level of comfort, vaxxing children under 12 goes way below it.

  81. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    How does the media know someone spent 24k on booze in three years?
    Who made this discovery and made a fuss about it?

  82. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Conservatives aren’t going to, they have other priorities.

    Breaking news.
    Conservative says conservatives don’t have to fight.
    Conservative says libertarians have to fight.
    Makes total sense.
    Almost in a George W Bush kind of way.

  83. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Those that will be around significantly longer to allow any potential side effects to manifest as something quite ugly.

    Yes.
    Vaxing an 85 year old with bronchial issues is prudent.
    A healthy 20 year old?
    Not so much.

  84. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Arky : Why didn’t those fucking libertarians fight harder for something I wanted.

  85. struth Avatar
    struth

    Vaxing should have been restricted to older groups (arguably over 50’s, possibly over 60’s), fatsos, asthmatics and those with other co-morbidities

    Frank loves to see himself as the middle of the road guy, the sensible light amid the darkness of either side’s extremism, but he just isn’t cynical enough.
    So we’ll take his little ray of sunshine here and show it for what it really is.

    Vaxing should be restricted to the older groups according to Frank, who are more prone to dying and can be easily reclassified as a covid death….Hard to get your statistics from those young people who refuse to die for reclassification.
    He has no proof that those deaths were at all caused by covid, any at all, because here’s the rub, people over fifty are more prone to dying anyway, so once reclassified, they appear as a vulnerable group. They are just more vulnerable to death………always have been, besides the vaccines don’t work anyway, and ever asked yourself why kids don’t get it?

    Yet he pops this bit of gullibility up as if it’s enlightened middle of the road common sense.
    It’s idiocy from the gullible.
    The word “with” means you are being played.
    Obviously.
    Once you fall for a little bit of propaganda you can’t build a logical base for your arguments.
    That I have noticed big time since this has happened.
    Look at people like Rita Panahi and James Morrow.
    Totally lost because they bought into a little bit of the propaganda.

  86. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    4. The fact that 200 died within two weeks of receiving a vax is not, in and of itself, evidence of anything.

    ..
    Correct.
    On a vaccination rollout this massive, people will be given the vaxx on the day they were due to snuff it anyway from one thing or another, including bloodclots, heart blowouts etc.
    The thing that is required is an investigation into every case that might be due to the vaccine.
    The same thing that should have happened with the cov itself.
    Also the use of statistics, in which most people are innumerate.
    Which is where a fair and open public service and media comes in.
    Which we don’t have.

  87. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    rosiesays:

    October 15, 2021 at 11:47 am

    How does the media know someone spent 24k on booze in three years?
    Who made this discovery and made a fuss about it?

    If this is the three bottle a day guy, I call bullshit.
    That is a touch over a thousand bottles, or $24 a bottle.
    Most guzzlers are likely to be spending under $10 a bottle.

  88. local oaf Avatar
    local oaf

    That’s precisely how Getup and other lefties influence the media to cancel ideas and people they don’t like.

    Time for the good guys to fight dirty, too.

    I don’t watch/read any MSM and haven’t for the last 10 years.

    Could some cat with a strong stomach kindly compile a list of which weasels need to be boycotted?
    I know, it’d be too long to be practical and there’d be nothing left to buy!

  89. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    I said yesterday that when madge went the royals were fucked; I guess they’re fucked now:

    Queen Elizabeth has been overheard speaking about “irritating” world leaders who won’t commit to attending a major climate conference in Glasgow next month.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/queen-overheard-dissing-scott-morrison/vi-AAPxlRN?ocid=entnewsntp

  90. struth Avatar
    struth

    The fact that 200 died within two weeks of receiving a vax is not, in and of itself, evidence of anything.
    Does it warrant further investigation in cases where there is no other clear and apparent cause of death? Absolutely.

    That’s because young healthy people regularly die of blood clots, heart attacks, strokes.
    How very convenient to use only numbers when it suits you.

  91. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Conservative says conservatives don’t have to fight.
    Conservative says libertarians have to fight.

    ..
    Conservatives will fight for conservative principles.
    Libertarians will fight for libertarian principles.
    In the case of seatbelts RBTs etc, it would have been good if libertarians had won the argument.

  92. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Tech Review article that produces logic pretzels by the dozen.
    Talk about missing the point.

    Could covid lead to a lifetime of autoimmune disease?
    Evidence is growing that in some people covid infections are producing autoantibodies targeting the body’s organs. If true, it could mean years of lingering sickness and misery for many.

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/04/23/1023438/long-term-covid-antibodies-autoantibodies-immunity-cytokines-lupus/?utm_source=engagement_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=site_visitor.unpaid.engagement&utm_content=10.13.21.subs&mc_cid=1fbf38c188&mc_eid=6cb9ef82da

    Apologies if paywalled.
    You should be able to see a couple a month for free.

  93. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    rosiesays:
    October 15, 2021 at 11:47 am
    How does the media know someone spent 24k on booze in three years?
    Who made this discovery and made a fuss about it?

    Correct Nota, 2 fingers of Malt twice a day. I must have dead for quite a while then.

  94. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 13, 2021 at 4:09 pm
    …..
    Now can we please move on?

    Move on? A minute under 41 hours later…

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 15, 2021 at 9:08 am
    [After the usual self-approbation]
    I regard this matter as finally closed. Timmy can stop harrassing me and if he continues he will be given very short shrift once again.

    Check if you must, but take my word for it that since 9.08am I haven’t said a word. (Obviously terrified of getting short shrift.)

    But then, over 43 hours after the clarion call to “move on”…

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 15, 2021 at 11:30 am
    [Usual drivel]
    Get lost and take your stupid upticking dicks with you, Timothy.

    [If you’ve just tuned in and want a summary of Lizzie’s slapstick hapless self-beclownment that started it all, go to
    Timothy Neilsonsays:
    October 13, 2021 at 5:47 pm
    There’s no need to read a word she’s posted since. None of it addresses the issue.]

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The Age, dishonest as it is decrepit, mentions none of that. Much better to mislead readers into believing her COVID work, whatever that might be, has made her a target for loonies.

    Typical political twisting a few bits of flimsiness into a heroic aboriginal story, areff.

    Well spotted.

  96. P Avatar
    P

    Today is the Feast Day of St. Teresa of Avila.

    Quotes from the saint:

    “Let nothing disturb thee, nothing affright thee; all things are passing; God never changeth.”

    “To have courage for whatever comes in life — everything lies in that.”

  97. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    The thing that is required is an investigation into every case that might be due to the vaccine.

    Yes.
    200 deaths.
    Some will be able to be eliminated immediately (car accidents, drug overdoses).
    Of the rest, start with those who might be considered unusual.
    Say, those aged under 50, with no signs of other health issues and pull apart any PM data (anyone who dies without a known cause must have a PM as I understand it).
    There might be some commonality lurking in that cohort when viewed as a whole, which might not have been apparent to an individual coroner conducting a single PM.
    But I doubt there is an appetite within the Elf bureacracy to chase that to ground.

  98. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Still burbling away though, aren’t you Tim?

    Yesterday’s man. Pathetic.

  99. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Libertarians shouldn’t be unaware that the “law and order” talkback component of conservatism is a hurdle to overcome.
    Conservatives mostly want orderly societies. That conflicts with your desire to stick a tulip up your arse and do interpretive dance in the mall.
    Sorry.

  100. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Spotted a couple more anti dan anti vaxx mandate stickers this morning, a heartening sight in Labor heartland.
    When will Dan start to let his people go?

  101. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Imagine if Tech Review replaced covid infections with covid vaccines?

    Evidence is growing that in some people covid vaccines are producing autoantibodies targeting the body’s organs. If true, it could mean years of lingering sickness and misery for many.

    Why investigate one & preclude the other from investigation?
    Unless they don’t want to find any evidence of vaccines having unintended consequences.

  102. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Queen Elizabeth has been overheard speaking about “irritating” world leaders who won’t commit to attending a major climate conference in Glasgow next month.

    She’s a very elderly lady with a son and two grandsons who go on about this incessantly. Got to’ve rubbed off. The only sane one is her daughter.

  103. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    200 deaths.
    Some will be able to be eliminated immediately (car accidents, drug overdoses).

    ..
    I think the obvious ones like car accidents are excluded.
    The 200 is ones that might be due to vaccines: heart shit, strokes, clots etc.

  104. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    I assume.

  105. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    rosiesays:
    October 15, 2021 at 11:47 am
    How does the media know someone spent 24k on booze in three years?
    Who made this discovery and made a fuss about it?

    Correct Nota, 2 fingers of Malt twice a day. I must have dead for quite a while then.

    I’d better switch to Lady In The Boat. Add a few years to my life.

  106. dover0beach Avatar

    He is always banging on about “inconsistencies” in Kung Flu restrictions, always putting it down to “hastily drafted orders” or “bureaucratic bungling”.
    He refuses to see that most of the “inconsistencies” are deliberate ideological targetting.

    The ‘old stuff-up v conspiracy’ canard. How anyone can believe that they are making bungling errors consistently in the one direction and to the same purpose is beyond me. He’s in on it too. He was hysterically defending ‘kids’ yesterday. Not from the jab which they manifestly do not need, but wailing about their absolute need to return to school if only for a few weeks.
    What a horrid, stupid man.

  107. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    If 6000 odd people cark it in Australia in a year. Or around 120 a week.
    If you vaccinate half the population in six months, then more than 200 will snuff it within cooeee of having been stabbed.

  108. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Forgiving them would be predicated on their admission they lied to us, the offer of an abject apology followed by resignation from their positions, the foregoing of their tax payer funded superannuation and the devotion of the rest of their lives to good works out of the public eye, only to pop up again via their funeral notice.

    So, follow the example of Profumo?

  109. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Forgiving them would be predicated on their admission they lied to us, the offer of an abject apology followed by resignation from their positions, the foregoing of their tax payer funded superannuation and the devotion of the rest of their lives to good works out of the public eye, only to pop up again via their funeral notice.

    If they weren’t so hideous you’d also include a Game of Thrones walk of shame.

  110. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Today is the Feast Day of St. Teresa of Avila.

    She sounds like a very intelligent and interesting lady, albeit quite excitable.

    Teresa of Ávila (wiki)

  111. Woolfe Avatar
    Woolfe

    I wonder if the Grey Walkers realise that they cannot enter USA with an AZ as it is not recognised?

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    She’s a very elderly lady with a son and two grandsons who go on about this incessantly. Got to’ve rubbed off. The only sane one is her daughter.

    Yes, poor darling, she had to sit alone and unsupported by her children at her husband’s funeral due to hideous overreach by public health orders. She’s been put through an emotional mill and no doubt is receiving enormous pressure to make ‘statements’ about the importance of this Glasgow talkfest.

    Anne seems OK. A bit horsey, but that’s ok too in the king business.

  113. Bons Avatar

    Gina is the last great hope for Australian civilisation.
    Imagine the huge effort going into setting legislative traps for her.
    Standby for the 4C hit piece.

  114. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    At the age of 44, Tom Brady threw for over 100 yards in the first quarter for two TDs.
    The man is proof aliens walk among us.

  115. Bons Avatar

    Twiggy!
    Do humans possess a Marxist gene that is triggered by great wealth.

  116. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I wonder if the Grey Walkers realise that they cannot enter USA with an AZ as it is not recognised?

    I thought the recognition had come through once they had notified a change of name indicating that it although not made in the UK it was still the same vaxx made in Australia under licence.

    Does anyone know if the US has come to the party or not yet on this recognition?

  117. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    I’d better switch to Lady In The Boat. Add a few years to my life.

    I prefer the little man in the boat.

  118. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Shopped in Fairfield this morning .. 4 shops .. none interested in vax status .. the big players might think they are clever complying but the smaller businesses, apparently, prefer the money ..!
    Tho wearing the nappy outside is running at 95% .. the sheeple are well & truly .. shawn! .. LOL!

  119. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    The man is proof aliens walk among us.

    Likewise Bradman. Brady is amazing.

  120. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Lizzie out of general interest I just checked, while az is not approved for use in the US the EU is suggesting that the US will most likely allow travel with any vaxx approved by WHO.

  121. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    Imagine the huge effort going into setting legislative traps for her.

    Chess.
    Retrospective legislation against the widely disliked Clive Palmer gets upheld in the High Court.
    Once it gets normalised they won’t have to do anything subtle or clever to take Gina down.

  122. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Bradman was more amazing.
    Zero film to study.
    Zero sports science.
    You’d get more support from a pair of Gucci loafers today than you did from the cricket shoes 100 years ago.

  123. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    getting a bit fed up with NSW Housing sending me texts on getting vaxxed! .. bloody things are running at 4 a week from a NO reply address & have been for the last 2 weeks .. No idea if it’s cos they know I’m not jabbed or it’s a standard across their network ..!
    Housing is supposed to be in the business of collecting rents & doing repairs (something they aren’t too keen on!) not spruiking BAT FLU jabs .. FFS!

  124. Dot Avatar

    Lyndon Baines Arky: This war is a libertarian war. Conservatives cannot be victims of such a war.

    Jack F Arkennedy: We need to conscript libertarians to fight for us.

    Arky’s Tasman Sea Revival: It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no Senator’s son, suh.

  125. Dot Avatar

    Chess.
    Retrospective legislation against the widely disliked Clive Palmer gets upheld in the High Court.
    Once it gets normalised they won’t have to do anything subtle or clever to take Gina down.

    Operation Mind: Crime.

  126. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Chess.

    Yep. Gina has the white pieces and Twiggy has the black pieces.
    Twiggy has abandoned any moral high ground by backing nice Mr Xi and the climate nazis.

    ‘Twiggy’ Forrest not ‘backing down’ in push for net zero commitment (15 Oct)

    I doubt Anaconda Nickel shareholders have forgiven him yet.

  127. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    I don’t listen to Neil Mitchell – living in Sydney the tyranny of distance can have its benevolent side – but the image I get of him is a kind of Roland Freisler character. You know, that judge of Hitler’s who would spit virulent abuse at the people brought up before him, who saw not defendants but traitors to Nazism regardless of actual laws.

    This is not a Godwin thing. Suggesting he is into genocide and such would be ridiculous – although I do think he would be not to disturbed seeing people imprisoned on ideological grounds when he perceives ideology as a threat (he would not be the first warmy who thinks sceptics are committing crimes against humanity).

  128. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    (anyone who dies without a known cause must have a PM as I understand it).

    Isn’t a PM compulsory if the deceased hasn’t had any medical records for the 3 months previous?

  129. Miltonf Avatar
    Miltonf

    The Queen had the right idea when she kept her mouth shut. Seeing how loathsome most of her family have shown themselves to be, I somehow suspected she was in with the international left too.

  130. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    If they weren’t so hideous you’d also include a Game of Thrones walk of shame.

    Or its modern equivalent, being the Conservative whipping boy an an ABC current affairs guest panel.

  131. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Arky, this morning you asked me to contribute to your thread on the decision to vaxx or not.

    I hope my answer here to you this morning was satisfactory. I’ve just looked at the thread and congratulate you on it heartily. It is a really good read over all of the issues, from many of the Cats we know in the Open Forum. It goes all the way from the Oxford algorithm to Pelagius and everything inbeteween.

    And that is the glory of the Cat we all know and love.

  132. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Dotsays:
    October 15, 2021 at 12:25 pm

    ..
    Conservatives aren’t going to fight for libertarian principles.
    Why should they?
    Are you fighting for conservative principles?
    No, of course not, nor should you. You should be convinced to support them by argument.
    We aren’t on the same team.

  133. Gab Avatar
    Gab

    Arkysays:
    October 15, 2021 at 11:16 am
    The TGA assigns 9 deaths as being due to the vaccine.
    Mandating something that transfers the risk of death from one group to another is evil.
    The actual numbers matter very little.
    A principle has been breached.

    9? Just looked at the TGA site and they list 571 deaths from the vaccine.

  134. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    The Queen had the right idea when she kept her mouth shut.

    I’d be wary of assuming that the MSM is quoting her accurately and fairly.
    The supposed “video” didn’t actually have any sound of her saying anything.
    It’s just “claimed” at this stage.

  135. Pedro the Loafer Avatar
    Pedro the Loafer

    I was casting about the intewebs looking for some info on one of Ms Gina’s recent mining acquisitions and came across her very own website.

    Not just about ag and mines, it has a lot of opinion pieces on general subjects that might interest many Cats here/

    Lookit: Gina’s website.

  136. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “I’d be wary of assuming that the MSM is quoting her accurately and fairly.
    The supposed “video” didn’t actually have any sound of her saying anything.
    It’s just “claimed” at this stage.”

    I’m wary too. Last month some aide claimed she supported BLM. I call bull on that. The Queen knows the importance of keeping her mouth shut.

  137. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    At least someone stopped this shit

    The real problem is that they ever wanted to do it in the first place.

  138. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Just looked at the TGA site and they list 571 deaths from the vaccine.

    Gab:
    ..
    Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 10 October 2021, over 30.7 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given. So far, the TGA has found 9 reports of death that were linked to immunisation from 597 reports received and reviewed. The overwhelming majority of deaths reported to the TGA following vaccination occurred in people aged 65 years and older. The deaths linked to immunisation occurred after the first dose of Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) – 8 were TTS cases and one was a case of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP)
    -https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-14-10-2021

  139. Dot Avatar

    Arky if you can’t find common ground with libertarians right now you are hopeless.

  140. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Dotsays:
    October 15, 2021 at 12:48 pm
    Arky if you can’t find common ground with libertarians right now you are hopeless.

    ..
    Did you miss the original comment where I found common ground with you on seatbelts, RBT and bike helmets?

  141. Pedro the Loafer Avatar
    Pedro the Loafer

    BTW, Twiggy Forrest might sound like a fanatical convert to Greenery with all his gobbing off about zero emissions etc. but he is definitely no fool when it comes to business dealings and he will have many sharp eyes on his bottom line and many fingers in many “sustainable” pies.

    Rumour has it that he has a gang looking at viable nuclear power options.

    Watch this space.

  142. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Looks like Tasmania is about to go the lockdown route:

    The Mercury understands the State Government is meeting with Public Health to take advice on further measures including a short sharp three-day lockdown for southern Tasmania as a result of further information coming to hand.

    A press conference will be held at 2.30pm today.

    Ironically as NSW, and even Victoria, start to come out of their frenzy.

    Will Tasmania’s three days be followed by three months.

    Will the BatFlu then get into WA, SA, and the NT, thus triggering the same frenzy?

    Stay tuned viewers!

  143. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Lookit: Gina’s website.

    She’s a great lady but until someone like her really goes hammer and tongs with a media outlet we’re stuffed.

  144. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    One for farming Cats. The Uni of Basel did a study and found that sustainable farming is stupid…

    Sustainable farming: There’s no one solution (14 Oct)

    Sustainable agriculture will not be achieved by one universal solution. A meta-analysis by the University of Basel shows that the current focus on no-till farming does not achieve the desired results. … However, the exact meaning of no-till farming has never been defined precisely, especially whether residue retention is part of it. As a result, some studies came to the conclusion that no-tillage is extremely effective, while others found no positive effect. Farmers also became more skeptical as some experienced declining crop yields.

    LOL. I suspect the best thing a farmer can do is carefully register everything the green elites say he should do, then do the exact opposite.

  145. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Mate.
    This is the last time I agree with libertarians.
    They’re less annoying when you’re pounding them around the head with a dead fish.

  146. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    This can range from mass protection against further S1 based bioweapons. Highly likely. To installation of infrastructure for slow infiltration of social credit. Also highly likely.

    It’s pretty obvious too, that both these agenda’s are entirely tolerant of collateral damage from the vaccine. Both agenda’s overlap. We must however not allow the totalitarian agenda to wedge itself in.

  147. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Arky.
    Figures here, they also appear to be missing one major vax (or my searching has failed)

    116 deaths from Moderna. Many thousands of (mostly minor) side effects.
    https://apps.tga.gov.au/PROD/DAEN/daen-report.aspx

    Vaxzevria is missing completely… This is probably deliberate.

    Spikevax (fairly new) appears to have no deaths and little side effects reported so far.
    https://apps.tga.gov.au/PROD/DAEN/daen-report.aspx

  148. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    If you give the FBI the wrong information, you go to jail even if it’s a mistake.
    If you work for the FBI and to the FBI & other parts of the DOJ, nothing happens to you & you even get your full pension reinstated.

    I wonder if McCabe will give back the dosh from the crowd funding @sarc.

    Via zerohedge.

  149. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    & lie to the FBI

  150. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Where Teslas go to die.

    Confused self-driving cars are flooding a normally quiet dead-end street in San Francisco (14 Oct)

    The residents of a relatively quiet neighborhood in San Francisco are seeing an influx of self-driving visitors.

    A steady stream of automated Waymo cars has reportedly been flowing into a dead end in the city’s Richmond District, disrupting routes for passengers and forcing them to turn the car around themselves, local news outlet KPIX reported.

    And based on what neighbors are saying, it’s not just one or two vehicles coming by.

    “There are some days where it can be up to 50,” nearby resident Jennifer King told KPIX. “It’s literally every five minutes.

    Sort of like the fabled elephants’ graveyard.

  151. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    LOL. I suspect the best thing a farmer can do is carefully register everything the green elites say he should do, then do the exact opposite.

    Plus use the green elites as fertilizer.

  152. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Victoria’s bitter .. latest ad .. lol!
    https://youtu.be/N_ueRaUaM_k

  153. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    In Chip Wrap media news:

    Queen ‘irritated’ by world leaders talking not doing on climate crisis

    Looks like HMQ has been verballed:

    She said: “Extraordinary isn’t it. I’ve been hearing all about Cop … still don’t know who is coming. No idea.

    “We only know about people who are not coming … It’s really irritating when they talk, but they don’t do.”

    Sounds like she’s a bit pissed about the Head of State arrangements flopping around only weeks away from the gabfest.

    She remained regally enigmatic about the views of her woke progeny.

  154. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    dover0beach says:
    October 15, 2021 at 11:09 am
    Michael P Senger
    @MichaelPSenger
    Massive protests have erupted all across Italy, where over a million workers have gone on strike after the government announced a vaccine mandate for nearly all forms of employment.
    Australian MSM ignoring the above.

    How is this different from the Soviet Union where their media were reporting all is well while the real news was being smuggled in or beamed over the border by Voice Of America broadcasts? Now even VOA is snowing us.

  155. Gab Avatar
    Gab

    Arky

    go to https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-entry.aspx
    type in COV
    then select the four vaxes listed for covid
    then set date range jan 1 2021 to now
    hit search

    It will show 571 deaths up to Oct 1

  156. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Bruce of Newcastle says:
    October 15, 2021 at 11:11 am
    Welcome to the twilight world of the Single Jabbee.
    Single jabbees can go to church next Sunday, assuming NSW hits the ineffable 80% by Monday.
    Naughty leprous reprobates aren’t allowed to go to church until 1 Dec.

    The church leadership should throw down the gauntlet at the government, they should declare everybody can go to church or nobody goes. They must not allow the government to decide who can receive sacraments and who cannot.

    We don’t hear much anymore that favourite of lefties questions – What would Jesus do?

  157. Gab Avatar
    Gab

    Search results
    The results are shown in two tabs.

    Number of reports (cases): 64227

    Number of cases with a single suspected medicine: 63248

    Number of cases where death was a reported outcome: 571

  158. Kev Avatar
    Kev

    Queen Elizabeth has been overheard speaking about “irritating” world leaders who won’t commit to attending a major climate conference in Glasgow next month.
    The activists will have worked out that more than half the western world thinks Charles is an idiot so what better to have Elizabeth say something in support of climate control madness. “Overheard” is a bit iffy and having watched the total newscast I think it is just a part of the propaganda push to force Morrison to attend Glasgow.

  159. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie out of general interest I just checked, while az is not approved for use in the US the EU is suggesting that the US will most likely allow travel with any vaxx approved by WHO.

    Rosie, thanks for that, it will be useful to me and to other wanabee travelling Cats.

    As with all things Covid, the bureaucrats are never going to all get on the same page re who can and who can’t do what under which sort of vaxx or authorisaton. This adds up to a travellers’ nightmare. No certainty, no plans possible.

  160. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    On the other hand, if crop residues are retained on the fields after the harvest, the desired positive effects prevail.

    Something some of us knew thirty years ago, for chucks steak.

  161. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Gabsays:
    October 15, 2021 at 1:16 pm

    From that page:
    ..

    Important information! The TGA uses adverse event reports to identify when a safety issue may be present.
    An adverse event report does not mean that the medicine is the cause of the adverse event.

  162. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    Science deniers. They’re literally everywhere!

    Conservation group fury as research finds selective logging does not affect koala numbers

  163. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sounds like she’s a bit pissed about the Head of State arrangements flopping around only weeks away from the gabfest.

    She’s probably got order of precedence for meet, greet and dine in mind, rather than anything else. She’s the one who has to be briefed on these sorts of things.

  164. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    The total that TGA have found due to vaccine, remains, as far as I can see, 9.
    A few weeks ago I did some playing about with death rates in Taiwan and Australia, and I can’t so far find a fault in that.
    from memory I saw that per day if forty people die “with” the vaxx, something like 39.5 would have been expected to die anyway.
    It isn’t as easy as just counting who dies from what after a vaxxination.
    It isn’t easy at all.

  165. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    But I was just playing with the numbers.
    So I can’t tell you how valid or not the TGA figure of 9.
    I suspect it’s bad due to pressure to under report.

  166. Baba Avatar
    Baba

    So I can’t tell you how valid or not the TGA figure of 9.
    I suspect it’s bad due to pressure to under report.

    Well, they couldn’t report 10. No one would believe that.

  167. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    It really shouldn’t be down to me.
    But no one actually qualified wants to debate it, either because:
    1. They have faith in the system.
    or
    2. Discussing it gets you banned.

  168. dover0beach Avatar

    Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca)

    VivaBarnes had an interesting segment on these name changes and the approval regime about a month ago. I wonder if the same questions they raise apply here; I’m sure they do.

  169. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Conservation group fury as research finds selective logging does not affect koala numbers

    After habitat loss the biggest threat to koalas is green forest mismanagement and the raging bushfires that result.

    Further proof, if needed, that we live in the stupidest of times.

  170. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    from memory I saw that per day if forty people die “with” the vaxx, something like 39.5 would have been expected to die anyway.

    The same reasoning would see the plandemic disappear if it were applied to covid deaths.

    And arky why is your count 9?
    The links I put above to individual Australian vaxes show at least 100 from one vax alone.

    116 deaths from Moderna. Many thousands of (mostly minor) side effects.
    https://apps.tga.gov.au/PROD/DAEN/daen-report.aspx

    Thats the TGA as well.

  171. dover0beach Avatar

    So I can’t tell you how valid or not the TGA figure of 9.
    I suspect it’s bad due to pressure to under report.

    From what I’ve read they have to exclude all other possibilities bar the vaccines. Much like with COVID.
    I hope the last sentence doesn’t need a sarc tag.

  172. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Rumour has it that [Twiggy Forrest] has a gang looking at viable nuclear power options.

    That’ll be his fall back position if/when renewables go pear shaped.

    Something to do with eggs and baskets.

  173. Morsie Avatar
    Morsie

    If Forrest wants to contribute to lessening emissions perhaps he could stop selling iron ore to China

  174. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    NSW to abandon home and hotel quarantine for fully vaccinated international travellers from 1st November.

    Meanwhile, two quarantine facilities are being built in SE QLD.

  175. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Rumour has it that [Twiggy Forrest] has a gang looking at viable nuclear power options.

    That was a quote from above.

  176. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    thefrollickingmolesays:
    October 15, 2021 at 1:38 pm

    ..
    We are talking about two different things.
    You’re linking to reports of adverse events (death).
    I’m linking to those adverse events (death) that the TGA has found are likely to be due to the vaccination.
    Because the vast majority of people reported dead after vaccination are not going to be dead because of vaccination.
    That is going to be both statistically and logically true.
    In most cases, it going to be coincidence. Because people just die all the time anyway, and the population being vaccinated is huge, in fact, the majority of everybody.

  177. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    When you vaccinate almost everybody, you vaccinate thousands of people about due to give up the ghost for one reason or another.
    Just like when the covid goes through nursing homes it goes through hundreds of people about to kick the bucket.
    In either case, you can’t just count the corpses.

  178. A Suggestion Avatar
    A Suggestion

    In either case, you can’t just count the corpses.

    Tell it to the powers that be, who do just count corpses – in one case.

  179. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Roger says:
    October 15, 2021 at 1:42 pm
    Rumour has it that [Twiggy Forrest] has a gang looking at viable nuclear power options.

    That’ll be his fall back position if/when renewables go pear shaped.

    Something to do with eggs and baskets.

    Billionaires are like some sharks, they must swim or die. At the moment there is money in renewables due to corrupt politicians so they are all for them. At some point that river will run dry and they will move to the next flow of money.

    James Packer is a billionaire who has stopped swimming and eventually his billions will disappear as well.

  180. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Anyone wanting a realistic look at how “concerned” the government is for the publics health should look at this story..

    Lupus sufferers pleaded for more supplies of hydroxychloroquine two months before the federal government told billionaire Clive Palmer it didn’t want more of the 33m doses he wanted to donate as a potential Covid-19 treatment.

    One tonne of Palmer’s hydroxychloroquine – equivalent to 5m doses – was destroyed after it was left unclaimed in Melbourne due to a lengthy standoff with the commonwealth, Guardian Australia revealed on Wednesday.

    When Palmer first promised to donate 33m doses of hydroxychloroquine to Australia, there was some optimism – since disproven – that it could be used as a treatment for Covid-19.

    The fervour around hydroxychloroquine’s potential value in treating coronavirus led to the hoarding of the drug and put significant pressure on supplies for other patient groups – sufferers of malaria, rheumatoid arthritis, and lupus, among others – who have a legitimate need for it.

    The pressure on supplies was so significant that Lupus Australia wrote to the federal health minister, Greg Hunt, on 25 March last year, expressing concerns that patients were unable to fill their prescriptions, due to major shortages.

    So the government, rather than take delivery of the drug “tainted” by Trump/Fat bastard left it to rot & eventually be destroyed..

    The commonwealth took 22m doses from Palmer in the two months after the Lupus Australia letter. All of them are still sitting in the national medical stockpile and have not been used, either for Covid-19 or to help address any hydroxychloroquine shortage.

    The health department then told Palmer in late May, amid mounting evidence against its use as a Covid-19 treatment, that further supplies of “hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine products are not required at this stage”.

    A further shipment of 5m doses arrived in August, but neither Palmer nor the commonwealth wanted to take possession of it. The supplies sat unclaimed in Melbourne.

    ..
    Guardian Australia understands the shipment was sent for destruction in April, eight months later.

    There’s no suggestion Palmer directed the drugs be destroyed. He told Guardian Australia in a text: “All [hydroxychloroquine] was donated t[o] the Commonwealth prior to its shipment to Australia, you need to check with them on knowledge of other matters.”

    The health department said it did not take the shipment into the stockpile. It also has no knowledge of what happened to it.

  181. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    rosie says:
    October 15, 2021 at 12:46 pm

    newsouthwelshers will be allowed into Victoria without quarantining from 19 October. Which I assume is going to effectively mean Victorians will be also able to freely travel internationally (but not more than 15 km if they live in Melbourne)

    You missed a bit.

  182. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    So the government, rather than take delivery of the drug “tainted” by Trump/Fat bastard left it to rot & eventually be destroyed..

    Australian politicians are complete fucking scum.

  183. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    After habitat loss the biggest threat to koalas is green forest mismanagement and the raging bushfires that result.

    Surprisingly enough, koalas don’t like the sound of chainsaws and piss off at the first opportunity. No such opportunity in a raging bushfire.

  184. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Billionaires are like some sharks, they must swim or die. At the moment there is money in renewables due to corrupt politicians so they are all for them. At some point that river will run dry and they will move to the next flow of money.

    That drive results in a lot of public good, such as wealth and job creation.

    But when it starts feeding off public money it has become corrupted.

    There’s a smart operator up here – I won’t mention his name because he’s litigious – who built an international, vertically integrated company out of a medium sized inherited family business with only his own nous.

    Now he’s branching out into other developments but only if state or federal governments will underwrite those projects to the tune of hundreds of millions.

  185. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    The antidote to dodgy covid death numbers isn’t to then seize on reported vaxx deaths before they have been sorted into those who would die anyway and those who probably died because they were vaccinated.
    The correct thing is what Mater has been doing for month after month: trying to chase down the correct data and relate it to age groups and other factors.

  186. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    The antidote to dodgy covid death numbers isn’t to then seize on reported vaxx deaths before they have been sorted into those who would die anyway and those who probably died because they were vaccinated.
    The correct thing is what Mater has been doing for month after month: trying to chase down the correct data and relate it to age groups and other factors.

    This cannot be emphasised enough.

  187. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    Australia is stuffed, Industrial Galvanisers shut due to “covid” everyone else has a 2 week backlog because they’re shut…..

  188. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    The fact that 200 died within two weeks of receiving a vax is not, in and of itself, evidence of anything. Does it warrant further investigation in cases where there is no other clear and apparent cause of death? Absolutely.

    All right fine, I’ll give you a dickless upvote for that

  189. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    From the Betoota Advocate – Canned Air from Turnbull’s Electorate Goes On Sale In Western Sydney:

    THE ASPIRATIONAL CLASS of Western Sydney no longer has to drive out to the city’s far-eastern suburbs to get some clean ocean air and a taste of the high life – thanks to two Vaucluse brothers who say they’ve come up with a novel way of giving the full one- per cent experience for a fraction of the cost.

    Since 2011, there’s been an upward trend of people from the greater west swamping the Eastern Suburbs on the weekends. This has lead to locals from Double and Rose Bay, to Vaucluse and Watson’s Bay growing tired of seeing Toyota Supras and Subarus purring through their streets at all hours of the night.

    “There used to be a time when you’d hear a WRX or something ghastly like that barrel down Hopetoun Drive and you’d think ‘Wonderful! My cocaine has arrived!’ but now they’re just coming out to sightsee”, said Watsons Bay local John Marine.

    “For years, we’ve been trying to come up with ways of keeping Western Sydney out of the Eastern Suburbs.”

    Well now the prayers of Mr Marine and many like him have been answered by Alex and Sam Gibbons, two entrepreneurial 20-something who divided their days between canning air in Vaucluse and delivering it to “peasants west of the Sydney Fish Markets”.

    Sam said he got the idea after seeing something similar done in China with Canadian air. “I just connected the dots”, said the recent ceramics graduate.

    “There’s shit air in Western Sydney and people dumb enough to buy it.”

    Interjecting, Alex agrees and says the two political science subjects he did at Bond University have given him a unique understanding of how the mind of an aspirational young person from Sydney works.

    “Just look at this whole Salim Mehajir business. You’ve got somebody who’s built his wealth and image from the ground up and now look at the influence and power he has. It’s only a matter of time before he ascends to his rightful address in Vaucluse. There’s thousands of young people out in shit holes like Blacktown and Liverpool who look up to someone like that,” said Alex.

    “We can give them a slice of the life they think they deserve at a fraction of the cost.”

    The clean Vaucluse air will be on sale next month at selected outlets in Western Sydney for $99.95 RRP.

    I am unsure of precisely why, but this amuses me. I look forward to Salim and Guido Hatzis moving in.

  190. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    BON, someone at the gruinid comments section is relying on you to end all petolium based products.

    get cracking…

    Shadowcaptain
    Charmant_mais_fou

    You’d be amazed at the inventiveness of chemists these days and all the possible ways to make stuff that doesn’t simply rely on just digging stuff out the ground to use from scratch.

    Jet fuel has been made in bioreactors .. other feedstocks are likely , cost is a factor , but I think people really should by now be aware that a green world will be very costly , and they will have fewer choices in life as a result. That’s just unfortunate.

  191. Rockdoctor Avatar
    Rockdoctor

    Bonssays:

    October 15, 2021 at 11:25 am

    On Parrot +1meg.

    Shows you how shallow their alleged beliefs are that these guys would sell their souls for the prize…

  192. John of Mel Avatar
    John of Mel

    NSW to abandon home and hotel quarantine for fully vaccinated international travellers from 1st November.

    Meanwhile, two quarantine facilities are being built in SE QLD.

    All those refuseniks who won’t be allowed to work, will have to be replaced by a more compliant and cheap labor. What was the number of foreign workers we need to “restart our post-covid economy” from a report someone posted here a few days ago? 2 million?
    At least it won’t be cold in those camps for us, the great unjabbed.

  193. Bons Avatar

    What a team it would be if Gina teamed up with Jacinta Price.

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