Open Thread – Tue 30 Aug 2022


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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2022 6:16 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
August 30, 2022 at 5:24 pm
Any of the bush lawyers on this blog help out? If Chis Dawson was playing happy families with a schoolgirl, isn’t the age of consent raised to 18 in such a case?

Wut??
Err, you’re not suggesting he gets to add on some GST to the age limit if the kid moves into the house are you?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

My concern for Mr. Chris Dawson’s legal predicament is not as is my concern for the judicial predicament of; Cardinal George Pell, Mr. Rolf Harris, Philip Archbishop Wilson, former police officer Derek Chauvin, Mr. Kyle Rittenhouse, et al.

Roger
Roger
August 30, 2022 6:25 pm

Noted, Sal.

Mater
August 30, 2022 6:25 pm

General Muntgumery!

I’m familiar with armchair Generals, but what the term when it’s from someone hiding under the bed in the basement, wrapped in plastic film, shooting up with endless boosters because he’s got a 10% chance of dying from inhaling someone else’s breath?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 30, 2022 6:26 pm

Unicorn farts don’t exist yet! Weird that, innit?

Future of Kurri Kurri power plant up in the air (Ncl local news, 30 Aug)

The future of the Kurri Kurri power plant is up in the air, after its former boss claimed green hydrogen technology will not be ready in time for its opening.

Paul Broad has resigned from the top job at Snowy Hydro – reportedly due in part to disagreements over the plant.

Labor wants the plant to run on 30% green hydrogen next year. The tiny weenie little problem with this is there isn’t any. And as for 100% green hydrogen in 2030…good luck with that.

I love it when reality collides with lefty wishes and imaginary animals.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
August 30, 2022 6:31 pm

The official said it was “hard to explain, I guess” how the US was monitoring the situation around the nuclear power plant, Europe’s largest.

Looks like a tweet from Trump.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 30, 2022 6:35 pm

Dawson has been charged with sexual assault or something similar, and has yet to face trial for it, apparently.

Seems he was charged with “Carnal knowledge” back in 2019.

cohenite
August 30, 2022 6:35 pm

Much as I would like to see Kathy Sherriff get a proper chance to bring her accusations against the execrable Peanut Head, looked at in isolation one could understand (even if one didn’t agree with) the decision not to prosecute.

Kathy is best compared with the Porter situation where a dead, deeply disturbed woman made some unsworn accusations before she suicided and porter was crucified. Kathy made contemporaneous complaints, had witnesses and was very credible. That her accusation against tits was not brought to trial is a black joke. But its victoristan.

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 30, 2022 6:37 pm

dover0beach says:
August 30, 2022 at 2:51 pm

I see Ukraine has launched a counter-offensive in Kherson. Things going well for Putin, evidently.

This ‘counter-offensive’ will go nowhere.

The Kherson counter offensive failed two days ago. It was one of four Ukrainian counter offensives launched against the Russian held territory (on a 1,200 kms long front). The Russians forced the Ukrainians back on three of those operations, and the Ukrainians reoccupied a formerly Russian held held village on the fourth operation.

The Ukrainian counter offensive against Kherson was just madness, they have been talking about it publicly for months so of course the Russians were prepared there. The Ukrainians had to advance over open ground with no cover leaving themselves fully exposed to artillery, they took very heavy losses there.

The West will fight this war to the last Ukrainian, this is just evil.

Eyrie
Eyrie
August 30, 2022 6:42 pm

“Fidelity, Bravery, and Integrity” is the FBI motto

“Famous But Incompetent”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 30, 2022 6:46 pm

But its victoristan.

Yes, the son and grandson of Labor Royalty was really going to charge Whining William….

Roger
Roger
August 30, 2022 6:48 pm

The West will fight this war to the last Ukrainian, this is just evil.

Putin isn’t exactly a boy scout.

Eyrie
Eyrie
August 30, 2022 6:51 pm

Telegraph your offensive. Opponent gives ground at what looks like a weak point. Advance, apparently pushing them back . Then the trap springs and they kill all of you.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 30, 2022 6:59 pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-29/apprentices-drop-out-causing-tradie-shortage/101381802

But after 18 months as an apprentice sparky, he gave it up because he could not afford to live on his measly wages. “Seventeen dollars an hour — I think I was getting around $700 a week.

He’s in western Sydney I admit, but at Brisbane prices he could rent a 3bdrm unit by himself, eat decently, and still have money left for Pokemon cards on that income, but he’s crying poor.

“Apprentices, when they start work, they are vulnerable,” she said. “They’re often straight from school, they’re entering an adult world, and they need additional support.”

Oh, so their parents failed them.

With a shortage of skilled workers, unions and business groups are urging the federal government to lift wage subsidies for apprentices

Technically not a UBI/living wage, but only shades of difference between being paid at full rates for low skill and paid medium rates for no skill.

I don’t know what my venting was going to achieve, I just had to, it’s the Internet okay?

m0nty
m0nty
August 30, 2022 7:02 pm

My concern for Mr. Chris Dawson’s legal predicament is not as is my concern for the judicial predicament of; Cardinal George Pell, Mr. Rolf Harris, Philip Archbishop Wilson, former police officer Derek Chauvin, Mr. Kyle Rittenhouse, et al.

Wait what, is this Rolf trooferism? LOL.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 30, 2022 7:05 pm

was getting around $700 a week

Unsure what the expectations are. Usually, you do what everyone else does:

1. Find one or more mates;
2. Rent a hovel, splitting the rent;
3. Leave all your shit everywhere in said hovel;
4. Use anything left over for pub money, dragging as many chicks as you can back to Hovel Land;
5. Repeat, until one tenant eventually finds one they think is worth living with, moves out and in with her into a nicer place full of stuffed toys, pot pourri bowls and Life Laugh Love wall hangings;
6. Get another mate in, who just went down that road and broke up with the one he thought was worth living with;
7. Repeat step 5 until everyone’s gone.

The way of the world.

m0nty
m0nty
August 30, 2022 7:06 pm

Boris travelled to Kiev in April and convinced Zelensky not to give peace a chance in Istanbul even though Putin might have been amenable at the time. How has that worked out for ordinary Ukrainians and Europeans, especially with winter coming.

Putin was amenable to a complete surrender and nothing less.

Definite stink of Chamberlain around these parts.

Mater
August 30, 2022 7:08 pm

Definite stink of Chamberlain around these parts.

Fuck, I hate people who are not only unwilling, but completely incapable of putting their money where their mouth is.

Frank
Frank
August 30, 2022 7:10 pm

The outsourcing of menial tasks is getting out of hand

Some people rave about how you can hire some poor sod to clean the oven for you.

MatrixTransform
August 30, 2022 7:11 pm

So, Sadoway started studying the periodic table, looking for cheap, Earth-abundant metals that might be able to substitute for lithium.

so Sadoway looked where no scientism ever looked before?

really?

my missus lost the bedroom TV remote the other day.

blamed the chippies for stealing it … spite apparently

I went upstairs and had boy’s look

yeah, was in a Kathmandu bag beside the bedside table and under some undies

I didn’t check if there were any Iron-Sulphur batteries in there

too late now.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 30, 2022 7:11 pm

Snap Mater.

I am reminded of the immortal line in Fawlty Towers, where an old woman asks Basil to close a window because the draught may affect the handbag dog she was cuddling:

‘Yes, indeed madam, the sudden movement of air could damage him irreparably.’

Frank
Frank
August 30, 2022 7:13 pm

Definite stink of Chamberlain around these parts.

How was Sweden Monty?

Zipster
Zipster
August 30, 2022 7:13 pm

The West will fight this war to the last Ukrainian, this is just evil.

might end up being the last european at this rate

rickw
rickw
August 30, 2022 7:14 pm

Definite stink of Chamberlain around these parts.

More please! Enthralled with the wisdom of General Muntgumery!

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2022 7:14 pm

BTW I was puzzled by osc response to me a week or so ago, regarding getting a booster before I travelled, yes I know you can still get covid despite being vaccinated but as far as I am concerned a booster just before I travel will decrease my chances of getting symptomatic covid in the short term.
I managed to avoid covid travelling in omicron infested Europe last January/February after getting a booster in late December and I have no qualms getting one again.
It might have been sheer luck but it might actually have been the booster.
This is medical science, after all, and all opinions are merely opinions.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 30, 2022 7:20 pm

More please! Enthralled with the wisdom of General Muntgumery!

Well said! Those who condemn Chamberlain usually have little idea of his situation.

MatrixTransform
August 30, 2022 7:22 pm

Enthralled with the wisdom of General Muntgumery

he has several hats … United States Special Council Agent mUnty

Franx
Franx
August 30, 2022 7:23 pm

Negotiations were possible yet the Ukranians rejected all dialogue, seduced by Boris and the promise of money and arms. Boris is still at it.

MatrixTransform
August 30, 2022 7:23 pm

It might have been sheer luck but it might actually have been the booster.

or the weather

132andBush
132andBush
August 30, 2022 7:29 pm

m0nty says:
August 30, 2022 at 1:58 pm

Which Cats have ever said that the student debtors don’t include vast numbers of dropouts, gender studies graduates, all-purpose no-hopers, “activists” and other unemployables?

Your contempt for the lower classes is duly noted.

You have no idea what you’ve said there, do you?

dopey
dopey
August 30, 2022 7:30 pm

I think Dawson threw a forward pass once in a game. He never owned up to that either.

Cassie of Sydney
August 30, 2022 7:31 pm

“Cassie would you recommend the podcast?
I’m looking for something to binge on.”

Yes, it’s excellent Bern.

Roger
Roger
August 30, 2022 7:32 pm

Methinks Elbow & Co. are primed for a precipitous drop in approval ratings come the first week of October after they’ve slapped the full excise rate back on fuel while persisting with hectoring the public on the inVoice. Two RBA board meetings between now and then too.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 7:33 pm

Boris travelled to Kiev in April and convinced Zelensky not to give peace a chance in Istanbul even though Putin might have been amenable at the time. How has that worked out for ordinary Ukrainians and Europeans, especially with winter coming.

BlowJob makes hookers seem principled. The big fat waste of space is still PM I presume. Seems to work for Washington, not the people who elected him.

Cassie of Sydney
August 30, 2022 7:35 pm

“Definite stink of Chamberlain around these parts.”

Maybe it’s time to wash your pants, you and Jerry Nadler clearly have the same problem. Must be something about progressives and shitting in their pants.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 7:37 pm

Yes the main stink round here is the troll.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 30, 2022 7:41 pm

The 100 days of Albo passed largely unnoticed outside the National Presstitutes Club. Unsurprisingly. Being elected without a mandate has its downsides.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 30, 2022 7:44 pm

Wait what, is this Rolf trooferism? LOL.

m0nty-fa seems unfamiliar with the concept of back-stage “groupies”. In that era, they were everywhere.

One Australian former writer for Private Eye in London confessed to having what he described in his memoirs as a “hurricane fuck” with a “cherubic”, and clearly under-age, schoolgirl “groupie” there. Despite this public confession, he was given a job as a radio host at Their ABC, where he proceeded to invite three self-confessed peddlefiles on the show to discuss the subject.

There were no repercussions for the broadcast from their ABC, other than to delete the tapes and destroy all the files about the incident. Harris was almost certainly caught up in that fashion. He later paid the price, the other character got a job with Their ABC.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 30, 2022 7:46 pm

Matersays:
August 30, 2022 at 7:08 pm
Definite stink of Chamberlain around these parts.

Fuck, I hate people who are not only unwilling, but completely incapable of putting their money where their mouth is.

Are the Ukies still recruiting foreign soldiers? m0nty-fa might like to join the International Brigade.

132andBush
132andBush
August 30, 2022 7:47 pm

or the weather

Is that your opinion, or science?

Cassie of Sydney
August 30, 2022 7:50 pm

“One Australian former writer for Private Eye in London confessed to having what he described in his memoirs as a “hurricane fuck” with a “cherubic”, and clearly under-age, schoolgirl “groupie” there. Despite this public confession, he was given a job as a radio host at Their ABC, where he proceeded to invite three self-confessed peddlefiles on the show to discuss the subject.”

Indeed, and let’s not forget that great Marxist from Sydney’s Northern Beaches, what was his name again….ah yes, Bob Ellis.

Arky
August 30, 2022 7:51 pm

You can keep passing Russian war propaganda around.
I will stick with Team West, even if that leaves me on here with only Monty for company.
If America falls, we all fall.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 30, 2022 7:52 pm

Well said! Those who condemn Chamberlain usually have little idea of his situation.

Probably saved Britain by pushing for spending in the airforce as opposed to Churchill’s obsession with the navy.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 7:55 pm

If America falls, we all fall.

America fell in 2020 you idiot

dopey
dopey
August 30, 2022 7:55 pm

SBS. 8.30 : ‘Takes a look at how a growing number of people are no longer using traditional pronouns.’

Mater
August 30, 2022 7:57 pm

Is that your opinion, or science?

Whatever AHPRA classifies it as. That might change tomorrow, though, depending on what Dan thinks. But Dan will likely reconsider, based on Brett’s thoughts.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 30, 2022 7:59 pm

Farmer Gezsays:
August 30, 2022 at 7:52 pm
Well said! Those who condemn Chamberlain usually have little idea of his situation.

Probably saved Britain by pushing for spending in the airforce as opposed to Churchill’s obsession with the navy.

After the Norwegian campaign, the surface Kriegsmarine was a shattered force. Given that, and the relative ineffectiveness of air attacks on ships at night, and Sea Lion was never a goer as long as a substantial RN fleet was available. Turn up the Channel as night fell, plough into the German reinforcement and supply ships, and it was all over.

There would have been major losses, but look at the scale of losses the RN accepted to evacuate Greece and Crete, and then consider what they would have accepted to defeat an invasion.

Arky
August 30, 2022 7:59 pm

America fell in 2020 you idiot

..
That would be convenient.
You could opt out of the hard work of fixing anything and just curl up and wait to die then.
Good plan.

Franx
Franx
August 30, 2022 7:59 pm

America won’t fall, at least not due to matters Ukrainian.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 30, 2022 8:00 pm

ICook v ImaCrook.

Great slogan to hammer the psycho.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 8:01 pm

I do work

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 8:01 pm

and get my hands dirty

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 30, 2022 8:02 pm

Probably saved Britain by pushing for spending in the airforce as opposed to Churchill’s obsession with the navy.

Indeed the Spitfire was pretty much due Chamberlain’s intervention with the pBritish Air Ministry

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Barking Toad says: August 30, 2022 at 8:00 pm

ICook v ImaCrook.

Great slogan to hammer the psycho.

I believe the slogan Ian Cook is actually using is:
Cook vs Crook

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 8:04 pm

The US today– puke

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 30, 2022 8:05 pm

Cook vs Crook

Correct. But allow me some poetic licence.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

allow me some poetic licence.

Go for your life!
It’ll all start now, a pile on against Ian Cook. Wonder will he be able to emotionally withstand the insults of the #IstandwithDan wankers.

Y’know, Ian Cook will be sneeringly referred to as “just a Chef” & told to “go back to stirring the soup” etc.
The Danbots (the party of the worker) will actually believe those to be shameful things to be called.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

For the information of those with a skewed moral compass: Rolf Harris was done over by the system.
(This is not to be taken as he is innocent, or that he should not have been convicted or that he should not have gone to prison)

He was given very rough & unfair treatment, to ensure he was convicted, regardless of facts.
For this I’d use Kempei Tai methods on the skank who led the prosecution.

Arky
August 30, 2022 8:14 pm

Remember that Vietnam vet who used to come on here going on about “The Septic Tanks” (Yanks) and “If it’s Boeing, I’m not going”?
All it took was one stolen election and some tranny story time hours in the library, and all of a sudden you are as anti- American as Bob.
And yet, even under President Bidet, Australia still enjoys open sea lanes to her North and the ability to make our own stupid mistakes.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 30, 2022 8:18 pm

Wonder will he be able to emotionally withstand….

Sal, I think he’s shown he is up to the task and won’t be intimidated or bullied by the Dan mob.

He hasn’t buckled so far and is getting more “silent” support.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 8:19 pm

The Democratic Party with its Critical Race Theory and Gender Fluidity is more dangerous to Australia and Australians than Putin. Remember how O’bumma was undermining Abbott with his lies about the Barrier Reef.

m0nty
m0nty
August 30, 2022 8:19 pm

What was outlined in the initial meeting in Istanbul was far from complete surrender but he would not have gone for it if it was going to be a repeat of Minsk 1 and 2, and like Gray wrote recently, this won’t end now until Nikolaev, Odessa, Krivoy Rog, and Dniepro are captured, and I’d add Kharkov into the bargain.

So you’re agreeing with me then.

It’s a bit tricky to negotiate a meaningful ceasefire with a self-declared emperor who is still in the early stages of his planned conquests. You could argue in hindsight that Chamberlain’s appeasement was useful to enable the Poms to tool up for the inevitable, but I am not sure that is why you (or he) support “peace in our time”.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 8:20 pm

And yet, even under President Bidet, Australia still enjoys open sea lanes to her North and the ability to make our own stupid mistakes.

ok Polly Anna

Franx
Franx
August 30, 2022 8:22 pm

Propaganda used to be an art. As for the present, no doubt aspects of Russian propaganda are a lie. Yet that is not what the msm reports on, for, rather, the msm is preoccupied with the telling of Ukrainian propaganda which in context eventually are revealed as lies – the ghost of Kyiv, eg, although that as an example is a bit unfair insofar as it is a positively pathetic lie. But, agreed, the truth is needed, even if propagandised.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 30, 2022 8:22 pm

minsays:

August 30, 2022 at 9:47 am

Couple of tips from one who has been to VCAT and helped sack a OC manager.

If your management company is not organic from owners (like when I first owned) then some that are less than scrupulous, all about gouging owners. My 2c worth google the management agency & ASIC search them. May be eye opening like in our case we followed all the rabbit holes to an ex big 4 banker & his merchant mate.

Ok I had to get a couple dozen owners on board, all sus. If you are energetic then good luck, I was gifted by another owner buying in and doing a lot of leg work I couldn’t interstate. Need to get trust and word out.

The Vic OC Act 2008 will not protect you. I raised numerous breaches of said act to Government and Consumer Affairs. Their blow off response was for us to pursue civilly. Another owner contacted ASIC with the concerns and was paid off. Went to VCAT in the end with a phyrric victory but we caused them plenty of hell.

Lastly my experience with these sorts of guys. Examine who the contract has been awarded to, get alternate quotes as often the preferred are inflated and not above apparoach

All in all for me eye opening.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Sal, I think he’s shown he is up to the task and won’t be intimidated or bullied by the Dan mob.

Be a fantastic outcome if he wins the seat, also if that publican & his “Vic anti-lockdown” party or whatever it is called, get up & win a few seats.

ALP needs not just voting out, but brutal punishment for what they’ve done to Victoria.

m0nty
m0nty
August 30, 2022 8:24 pm

For the information of those with a skewed moral compass: Rolf Harris was done over by the system.
(This is not to be taken as he is innocent, or that he should not have been convicted or that he should not have gone to prison)

That is a reeeeeeeeeal fine needle you’re trying to thread there.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2022 8:29 pm

Zulu at 5:24.
In the unlikely event that a schoolgirl should move in to Casa Zulu and express a desire to jump your bones, I think you should get updated legal advice before you proceed.

Old bloke
Old bloke
August 30, 2022 8:29 pm

Roger says:
August 30, 2022 at 6:48 pm

The West will fight this war to the last Ukrainian, this is just evil.

Putin isn’t exactly a boy scout.

I’m not saying that he’s an angel Roger, I’m not a Putin fan, but this war is so tragic because it was completely unnecessary.

Putin told Zelensky that Ukraine could keep the Donbass and Luhansk regions (formerly parts of Russia), and that Russia would gift Ukraine with 5 years free gas, just acknowledge Russian sovereignty of Crimea (formerly part of Russia, population 97% Russian) and keep Ukraine neutral.

Putin probably had a clause in that agreement that requested the Ukrainian para-military brigades would stop using ethnic Russian towns and cities for artillery and sniper practice.

The West wanted a war though, there is no place for nationalistic minded rulers in the planned new world, so regime change in Moscow was needed. This is what it was all about. Antony Blinken said before the war started that the Russians would make only a small incursion but it would be a long war. They had spent eight years building defensive lines through the Donbass and Luhansk regions thinking that they would be impregnable and foil any Russian advance.

These bright leaders of ours in the West thought that they would bring about regime change in Russia by drawing the Russians into an unwinnable war with heavy loss of life, which, coupled with economic sanctions, would see the fall of Putin.

Unfortunately for them it appears the Russians spent those same eight years stockpiling artillery shells to destroy those defences.

It looks like the last of those defence lines will soon be breached so there will be no defensive positions left, the Ukrainian army has wasted its men trying to hold onto positions no longer defensible, and western Ukraine will be wide open for Russian occupation.

None of this was necessary, it was all to advance some plans of evil men who will just shrug and walk away unaffected. Apart from the Ukrainians who have been left injured or fatherless, the only other people who will suffer are the Biden, Pelosi and Kerry families who would have lost a regular income stream from Burisma.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 30, 2022 8:31 pm

also if that publican

Paul Dimattina – Footscray footy club favourite and family with food outlets in Melbourne.

Between them they’ll pick up plenty of support.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

That is a reeeeeeeeeal fine needle you’re trying to thread there.

Okay Mudguts, got a quick opinion on why only 11 of the 24 times he was charged managed to stick?
& why after the first flush of success with jury #1 nothing was able to stick?

Because subsequent juries realised it was a stich-up.

Almost all of the pre-trial publicity by the Skank leading the prosecution was a lie, & related charges were withdrawn in a hurry the day the trial commenced.

The Skank was throwing unsubstantiated mud, in the belief that a jury would conclude “there’s so much mud, the allegations must be true”

It worked – hence I’d use medieval techniques, refined by 20th century Japanese secret police, on her. Without losing one second of sleep.

MatrixTransform
August 30, 2022 8:33 pm

Is that your opinion, or science?

trick question because every post-modern knows its a sliding scale

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Sancho Panzer says: August 30, 2022 at 8:29 pm

Zulu at 5:24.
In the unlikely event that a schoolgirl should move in to Casa Zulu and express a desire to jump your bones

Why is this scenario “unlikely”?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2022 8:40 pm

Matersays:

August 30, 2022 at 7:57 pm

Is that your opinion, or science?

Whatever AHPRA classifies it as. That might change tomorrow, though, depending on what Dan thinks. But Dan will likely reconsider, based on Brett’s thoughts.

Not sure about that last bit.
Apparently Dan has shoved Brett under the bus.

Franx
Franx
August 30, 2022 8:40 pm

Peace talks were rejected by Ukrainian negotiators on the grounds of unsubstantiated claims of atrocities at Bucha. Now, the Russians, too, could have used Bucha as a claim, given the unsubstantiated nature of the claims. Moreover, the fact that the Ukrainians were party to not just suspending talks but outright rejecting them was a pretty clear indication of Ukraine being unduly swayed by western influences to plight their troth against the Russians.

Arky
August 30, 2022 8:45 pm

dover0beach says:
August 30, 2022 at 8:19 pm

I don’t see how Russia is an enemy of the West.

..
Putin, speaking of an Empire that murdered it’s own citizens and invaded Europe as far as Berlin:

Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century”.

– Putin

..
Or read his Munich speech, the entire thing is an explanation of why he wants to rebuild a system that opposes the West.

https://is.muni.cz/th/xlghl/DP_Fillinger_Speeches.pdf

..
By definition, wanting to rebuild an Empire that is a political, economic and military rival to the West, and one of the big three genocidal regimes of the 20th century makes him an enemy.

Mater
August 30, 2022 9:00 pm

Apparently Dan has shoved Brett under the bus.

After the last two and a half years, I could almost guarantee that Brett would have enough to return the favour, but he won’t because…Mutually Assured Destruction.

Same goes for Jenny Mikakos. She was held down whilst the bus ran over her head, but for reasons ‘unknown’, she’s been remarkably tight lipped.

Arky
August 30, 2022 9:01 pm

As for the current moral degeneracy in the West, these things come in waves.
The seventies was a particularly degenerate time socially.
But by the early 90s even universities were quite conservative in that they were orientated around the work of educating students instead of indoctrinating them. Standards were reasonable, especially in the hard sciences.
And it will come around again. The rainbow flags and hostile politics will become passé and people will want a degree that means something.
We are one really good, hard, long recession away from a positive change.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 30, 2022 9:05 pm

The very first inklings of the Build Up, the three months or so before the Wet proper.

The sun had an extra bit of bite this arvo. Humid, a bit sweaty. Apparently supposed to get a bit of rain later tonight.

Too early in the season for this. Portents of doom, perchance.

MatrixTransform
August 30, 2022 9:06 pm

We are one really good, hard, long recession away from a positive change.

amen … prepare accordingly

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2022 9:07 pm

Yeah, Mater, I wasn’t suggesting Bretty Boy was going to become Deep Throat (good luck finding a journo to take the call if he did).
Just he isn’t in the inner circle any more.

Mater
August 30, 2022 9:11 pm

I’m not anti-West, and certainly not anti-American, but I do have a problem with non-deployable, front bar urgers, like Monty, wanting to feed other peoples kids into a meat grinder.

I wonder if he’d be so keen if his kids were coming of age?

As for ‘The West’, how many of the energy, economic, education or medical policies of the western nations appear to be ‘Pro-West’…as we traditionally understand it?

If Monty (or Bolshie Bob, for that matter) support something, you can guarantee it’s designed to destroy, or has the possibility of destroying, ‘old Australia’, in favour of their chosen utopia.

rickw
rickw
August 30, 2022 9:12 pm

The US today– puke

Some sick shit there.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 30, 2022 9:13 pm

Just he isn’t in the inner circle any more.

Andrews might have a peek at pre-polling results in his electorate of Mulgrave, and in which Mr Cook is running against him, and dependent on the early numbers either Pinochet Hot Button Sutton over Port Phillip Bay or bring him into the fold again.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 9:15 pm

A country that imprisons political dissenters, that criminalizes political dissent and mutilates its own children is not a good friend. The election in 1960 was stolen too btw.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 9:17 pm

but I do have a problem with non-deployable, front bar urgers, like Monty, wanting to feed other peoples kids into a meat grinder.

me too- the lack of self awareness is breathtaking but maybe that part of having a borderline personality disorder

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 30, 2022 9:19 pm

Matersays:
August 30, 2022 at 9:11 pm
I’m not anti-West, and certainly not anti-American, but I do have a problem with non-deployable, front bar urgers, like Monty, wanting to feed other peoples kids into a meat grinder.

I believe that the proper description is “Chicken Hawk”?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 30, 2022 9:21 pm

A country that imprisons political dissenters, that criminalizes political dissent and mutilates its own children

But enough about contemporary Australia.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 9:22 pm

The West wanted a war though, there is no place for nationalistic minded rulers in the planned new world, so regime change in Moscow was needed.

precisely- as I pointed out a few months ago, it’s not Thatcher and Reagan anymore, it’s blowjob and the old thief.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 9:25 pm

It’s interesting too, in a bad way, how the EU is bullying Poland and Hungary for not wanting to drink the neo liberal-open borders kool aide. Fuck Brussels and fuck Washington.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 9:26 pm

And what is this kool aide? It is a borderless world where working people have no power, no jobs, no safety.

rickw
rickw
August 30, 2022 9:30 pm

maybe that part of having a borderline personality disorder

Borderline?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 30, 2022 9:30 pm

You could argue in hindsight that Chamberlain’s appeasement was useful to enable the Poms to tool up for the inevitable, but I am not sure that is why you (or he) support “peace in our time”.

Popular opinion in Britain was bitterly opposed to another war, the British Army was not equipped to fight a major war on the Continent, the Royal Air Force was approaching block obsolescence and the Dominions would not have joined Britain in a land war on the Continent – they were the major reasons why Chamberlain may have supported “Peace in Our Time.”

Cassie of Sydney
August 30, 2022 9:31 pm

“It was a geopolitical disaster for Russia, the collapse. He might have had no problem with the orderly dissolution of the SU. What he witnessed though was a fire sale and the loss of territories. And SU didn’t invade Europe, beyond the deal it stitched up with Germany, it was invaded for the second time by Germany and its allies in ’41.”

Well said Dover.

miltonf
miltonf
August 30, 2022 9:35 pm

In 1939 the horrors of WWI were only 21 years ago. Little wonder people didn’t want another episode.

Franx
Franx
August 30, 2022 9:40 pm

There are recessions and then there are technologically enhanced recessions. The latter is envisaged for the good of gaia.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 30, 2022 9:40 pm

As for the current moral degeneracy in the West, these things come in waves.

The tide has been coming in for over half a century.

I like your sunny optimism, arky, but I don’t share it.

For me it’s not a team game, and I don’t line up with ‘The West’ just because I was born in it. This isn’t the country or the civilisation I regard as mine. It’s a scrofulous substitute and makes Russia look good by comparison. Which takes a lot of doing.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 30, 2022 9:40 pm

Roger one does not boil bolognese sauce. If I hear of a repeat I’ll send the boys around, capeesh.

cohenite
August 30, 2022 9:45 pm

This Week in Culture. I got 30 seconds in to the drag show with the young girls in the front row. The men standing at the back need to be bashed to within an inch of their gender pronoun fucking lives:

https://rumble.com/v1hdn67-this-week-in-culture-111.html

Arky
August 30, 2022 9:45 pm

What he witnessed though was a fire sale and the loss of territories

..
They weren’t their territories.
They invaded them opportunistically in the forties and proceeded to move entire ethnic groups from one place to the other and into the gulags.
i.e:

Featured snippet from the web
On August 20, 1968, the Soviet Union led Warsaw Pact troops in an invasion of Czechoslovakia to crack down on reformist trends in Prague.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 30, 2022 9:50 pm

In 1939 the horrors of WWI were only 21 years ago. Little wonder people didn’t want another episode.

It’s fashionable to sneer at the French as being “Cheese eating surrender monkeys”, but, having suffered the losses they did in 1914 – 18 – the highest casualty rate among the victorious Powers, 75% of all men mobilized became casualties – I can see why they weren’t chuffed to little green mint-balls at the prospect of “Round Two.”

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 30, 2022 9:51 pm

The great thing about using the hypocrisy angle for this story is that it is quickly and easily understood, funny, and indisputably damning all at once.
https://youtu.be/VnigzbdN2JM?t=222
Dems a fairweather friend of clinical trials.

Frank
Frank
August 30, 2022 9:51 pm

me too- the lack of self awareness is breathtaking but maybe that part of having a borderline personality disorder

Funny timing, I was thinking something similar today.
One thing you can say for Monty, he is indefatigable. Another thing you can say is that whatever motivates this exuberance is unlikely to be wholesome.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 30, 2022 9:53 pm
Arky
August 30, 2022 9:55 pm

Above all else, I think it’s really, really dumb to give the Democrat’s six year long narrative of a Russian collusion among the Trump camp credence by being seen supporting an invasion by Russia of a country that wanted to join the Western alliance.
As if you won’t eventually be held up as an example of “See? We were right all along. They sold out to Russia”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 30, 2022 9:57 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
August 30, 2022 at 9:50 pm
In 1939 the horrors of WWI were only 21 years ago. Little wonder people didn’t want another episode.

It’s fashionable to sneer at the French as being “Cheese eating surrender monkeys”, but, having suffered the losses they did in 1914 – 18 – the highest casualty rate among the victorious Powers, 75% of all men mobilized became casualties – I can see why they weren’t chuffed to little green mint-balls at the prospect of “Round Two.”

Around 100,000 French soldiers died in the roughly seven weeks between the German invasion on 10 May 1940, and the French surrender on 25 June. The Germans lost about 50,000 dead.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 30, 2022 9:58 pm

Ukraine Fatigue? British War Support Wanes Amid Energy Hyperinflation

The Sunday Times reported the UK’s financial support for Ukraine could wind down by the end of the year. London has already allocated $2.7 billion in military aid to the wartorn country in Eastern Europe as the conflict just recently marched into the sixth month. Public support is also waning, driven primarily by energy hyperinflation sparked by failed Western sanctions on Russia.

According to a source in the UK Defense Ministry, cited by the newspaper, the UK is running out of weapons and money for Ukraine — this will be a challenge for the next UK Prime Minister, who will face the difficult decision to continue funding Kyiv while domestically, the economic outlook darkens.

Meanwhile, UK citizens are starting to realize Western sanctions on Russia have backfired and led many into fuel poverty:

“I do support arming Ukraine but I’m absolutely bloody terrified by the price of gas.

“I do think we’ve been a little guilty of overly glorifying the Ukrainians.

“I feel we need to think about ending this but I can’t see an end,” said Karine Hyde, 59, a medical practice manager.

Discontent in the UK is growing as energy costs soar. The latest issue to anger Brits is power regulator Ofgem hiked the cap on electricity bills by 80% to a record £3,549 ($4,189) starting on Oct. 1 from £1,971 ($2,330) at present. That cap is expected to rise to £5,439 ($6,427) by January, and £7,272 ($8,594) by spring due to skyrocketing wholesale natural gas prices as Russian supplies to Europe dwindle.

Remember, we recently pointed out that data from Google shows declining interest in news about Ukrainian events

rickw
rickw
August 30, 2022 10:04 pm
Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
August 30, 2022 10:07 pm

Well, colour me surprised. (coff, coff).
Austrac is investigating the Perth Mint (Gold Corporation) for non compliance with anti money laundering laws.

180 days for the appointed auditor to report.

From the Paywallian tonight.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 30, 2022 10:12 pm

In 1939 the horrors of WWI were only 21 years ago. Little wonder people didn’t want another episode.

On the first day of the battle of the Somme, 1st July 1916, the the 1st Newfoundland Regiment attacked from their second line of trenches – the communications trenches to the front line were already blocked with wounded and dead men. 733 men of 801 men were killed – six men made it to the German wire.

I’ve seen their monument – it features a Newfoundland caribou, bellowing in agony at the memory of those losses.

Round Two?

Arky
August 30, 2022 10:13 pm

DrBeauGan says:
August 30, 2022 at 9:40 pm
The tide has been coming in for over half a century.

..
Indeed there are ninety odd year long cycles and there are cycles with much shorter wavelengths.
They’re still cycles.
To believe otherwise is to accept the progressive view of history, that there is an arrow going one way, a “side” to history that you can be on the right side of. Like the climate looneys who think it’s all irreversibly going one way and they can accurately measure it and influence it’s rate of change. Or people who up until very recently thought we were stuck with low interest rates now and forever.
The real world doesn’t work that way.
Everything is on a cycle.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 30, 2022 10:15 pm

Single Point of Failure

Ashley Rindsberg convincingly traces Anthony Fauci’s response to the Covid 19 pandemic to the biodefense institutions created by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney following the 9/11 attacks. “To understand the rise of Fauci, and his legacy as he retires this year, we must return to the first months of the 2000s … Bush’s interest in biodefence and pandemic preparedness is frequently traced back to a 2004 book, The Great Influenza.

The reality, however, is that the administration came to power with biological weapons and infectious disease very much top of mind … But if biodefence wasn’t already a priority for the Bush White House, that swiftly changed a week to the day after the 9/11 attacks, a mere eight months into Bush’s first term, when the United States suffered the most serious biological weapons attack in its history,” the 2001 anthrax attacks.

As the WSJ put it. “In public, Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins urge Americans to ‘follow the science.’ In private, the two sainted public-health officials schemed to quash dissenting views from top scientists. That’s the troubling but fair conclusion from emails obtained recently via the Freedom of Information Act by the American Institute for Economic Research. The tale unfolded in October 2020 after the launch of the Great Barrington Declaration, a statement by Harvard’s Martin Kulldorff, Oxford’s Sunetra Gupta and Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya against blanket pandemic lockdowns. They favored a policy of what they called ‘focused protection’ of high-risk populations such as the elderly or those with medical conditions. Thousands of scientists signed the declaration—if they were able to learn about it.”

But was too late. Fauci’s overwhelming response was en route.

Franx
Franx
August 30, 2022 10:17 pm

Science is not cyclical. Nor is history.
But epochs come and go, true.

Indolent
Indolent
August 30, 2022 10:24 pm

If America falls, we all fall.

In terms of government, America has fallen.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 30, 2022 10:24 pm

I have a theory about people found guilty of a notorious murder where the body is missing.

Bradley Murdoch’s murder of Peter Falconio, for example.

If they maintain silence it:
– still adheres to them their followers who say they are in fact innocent
– gives them an air of mystery etc – if the body is found that disappears
– gives them the possibility they are not the bastard so many say they are

Arky
August 30, 2022 10:25 pm

Internal server error.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 30, 2022 10:27 pm

Around 100,000 French soldiers died in the roughly seven weeks between the German invasion on 10 May 1940, and the French surrender on 25 June

Part of the tour of a certain French city, some years ago, featured a very good lunch, washed down with some excellent wines, followed by a tour of the town, including a visit to the “Monument Au Mortes.’

The archetypal loud mouthed Yank made a rather tasteless remark about the list of names under “1940.’

“1940? Yeah, right. Well before Pearl Harbor, wasn’t it?”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 30, 2022 10:32 pm

Bradley Murdoch’s murder of Peter Falconio, for example.

If they maintain silence it:
– still adheres to them their followers who say they are in fact innocent

Oh, man. I really hope there isn’t a ‘little red car’ and a ‘jelly man’ in this story somewhere.

Indolent
Indolent
August 30, 2022 10:32 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2022 10:32 pm

Pedro the Loafersays:

August 30, 2022 at 10:07 pm

Well, colour me surprised. (coff, coff).
Austrac is investigating the Perth Mint (Gold Corporation) for non compliance with anti money laundering laws.

Wasn’t there someone who used to get on Dead Cat spruiking Perf Mint Trading Bank Gold Backed deposits?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2022 10:33 pm

Oh, man. I really hope there isn’t a ‘little red car’ and a ‘jelly man’ in this story somewhere.

Why would there not be?

m0nty
m0nty
August 30, 2022 10:38 pm

If you find yourself arguing that it was the West that really engineered war in Ukraine and Putin was just an innocent bystander, give yourself an uppercut. What a historically dumb talking point.

m0nty
m0nty
August 30, 2022 10:40 pm

Also if you find yourself arguing that Russia really deserves to reconstitute its Empire because it succeeded in ethnic cleansing, give yourself another uppercut.

Franx
Franx
August 30, 2022 10:41 pm

Not exactly a novel form of argumentation to state that those having a different viewpoint should be bashed.

m0nty
m0nty
August 30, 2022 10:48 pm

You used both of those talking points, db.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 30, 2022 10:51 pm

“West Australian” newspaper makes a point about the Dawson trial – Lynn Dawson was supposed to have walked away from the matrimonial home, without so much as her contact lenses, or a spare set of underwear….

Arky
August 30, 2022 10:53 pm

Ruskies are onto me.
Had to move devices to post a comment.
Thanks Putin, you spud.

MatrixTransform
August 30, 2022 10:55 pm

mUnty’s real problem isn’t what gibber he tries to argue but the form he uses.

it’s pretty much always a variation of simplistic stand-point gibberish

eg: if you think x then y

the same sort of 2D seascape that Numbers Bob navigates

get some elevation mUnty

Frank
Frank
August 30, 2022 11:02 pm

Shorter Monty: so what you’re really saying is…

Repeat.

Arky
August 30, 2022 11:03 pm

nor have I said that Russia ‘deserves to reconstitute its Empire’.

..
But that’s what is being contended, and what Putin himself says he wants.
You can’t seperate that from the tacit support you give him here daily.

Franx
Franx
August 30, 2022 11:13 pm

It’s only about ‘empire’ if the Ukraine is not made up of Russians in whatsoever respect and degree.
And it’s not really a war between Russians and Ukranians.

Gabor
Gabor
August 30, 2022 11:13 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
August 30, 2022 at 10:51 pm

“West Australian” newspaper makes a point about the Dawson trial – Lynn Dawson was supposed to have walked away from the matrimonial home, without so much as her contact lenses, or a spare set of underwear….

I know only as much of the case as the rest of us, but if I were of a desperately vindictive person ready to punish, that’s how I would do it.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 30, 2022 11:23 pm

Rita Panahi: There needs to be a reckoning for Victoria Police’s gross overreach

There needs to be a reckoning for the gross overreach that saw police handcuff a pregnant mum in her pyjamas over a social media post.

Sky News host Rita Panahi says Victoria Police wants Australians to “forget” about recent history after two years of “overreach and selective policing”.

Another victim of Dan Andrews’ police state has been exonerated.

Ballarat mum Zoe Buhler had the single charge of incitement to contravene public health directions withdrawn on Tuesday.

Vision of the pregnant mum’s arrest over a Facebook post quickly went viral and revealed to the world what had become of Victoria, and indeed Australia.

We went from being seen as an idyllic corner of the world to serving as a cautionary tale of how a free, modern society can devolve into an irrational, illiberal dystopia.

A place where hard fought-for rights and civil liberties can be lost when a populace is scared silly by hysterical, opportunistic politicians and a complicit media.

What happened to Buhler was a shameful episode but she was hardly alone in being victimised.

Quietly dropping charges against lockdown opponents is not enough.

There needs to be a reckoning for the gross overreach that saw police harass old ladies on park benches, force children off playgrounds, crash tackle people for being unmasked outdoors, hand out crippling fines to people laying flowers at a cemetery and handcuff a pregnant woman in her kitchen for a social media post.

Then there is the brutal treatment of anti-lockdown protesters who were dealt with like domestic terrorists while the hopelessly politicised Victoria Police handled BLM and environmental protesters with respect bordering on reverence.

Buhler’s arrest was captured on video and showed the distressed young mum pleading with officers explaining that she had an ultrasound appointment in an hour.

But Dan’s foot soldiers were not about to show the pregnant woman any mercy; they put her in handcuffs in front of her children.

Then, as she wept, they informed Buhler that her computer and all her devices as well as the mobile phones of others in the house, including her sister, would be seized.

And, all because of this post which she offered to delete: “Peaceful protest. All social distancing measures are to be followed so we don’t get arrested. Please wear a mask unless you have a medical reason not to. As some of you may have seen the government has gone to extreme measures and are using scare tactics through the media to prevent the Melbourne protest. Here in Ballarat we can be a voice for those in stage four lockdowns. We can be seen and heard and hopefully make a difference. End lockdowns. Stand for human rights. We live in a *free* country.”

That’s the post. That’s what led to a two-year nightmare for a young woman and her family. When Assistant Commissioner Luke Cornelius was asked about the heavy handed police tactics back in September 2020 he was unapologetic.

“I’ve seen the footage,” he said. “The members have conducted themselves entirely reasonably, they’ve been polite, professional. In this case we’re alleging this individual engaged in serious criminal behaviour inciting a public protest at a time when public protest is unlawful.”

Serious criminal behaviour? What does Cornelius have to say now that the charge has been dropped? And, can he explain why charges against other anti-lockdown protesters have been dropped?

Cornelius condemned those standing against lockdown policies as “batshit crazy”.

Let’s see him front a media conference now and justify his previous statements.

Buhler lived with the stress of having a criminal charge hanging over her head for two years. On Tuesday she said she was glad the ordeal was over and was unapologetic about taking a stand “for people’s human rights and freedoms” and hoped the police would leave innocent people alone in the future.

And, she had this message for Premier Daniel Andrews: “I hope one day you’ll have your day in court”.

Member for Western Victoria, and Shadow Assistant Minister for Government Scrutiny, Bev McArthur said Buhler’s plight was an example of the way this state was ruled by fear.

“Zoe Buhler was used by the Premier of this state as an example of how draconian and dictatorial he was prepared to be in his flaming of fears during the lockdown,” she said.

“He ruled by fear – and the police were clearly used as his tool to enforce abhorrent, largely unnecessary and undemocratic public health orders. This charge was wrong from day one. That it has taken two years for it to be withdrawn is a disgrace – a mark of shame on our political state.”

McArthur called on the premier to apologise to the “pyjama warrior” and thanked Buhler for fighting for freedom.

This state, and indeed this country, needs a royal commission into each jurisdiction’s Covid-19 response examining every element from draconian restrictions, border closures, elective surgery cancellations, school closures, mask and vaccine mandates, curfews, police response and hotel quarantine to name just a few.

It appears former prime minister Scott Morrison’s bizarre antics in secretly swearing himself into five ministries may motivate the Anthony Albanese government to call a royal commission.

But the inquiry must have a wide focus including examining the establishment of national cabinet and the conduct of health bureaucrats.

Rita Panahi

Herald-Sun 265 comments already with all in agreement.

Arky
August 30, 2022 11:23 pm

Franx says:
August 30, 2022 at 11:13 pm
It’s only about ‘empire’ if the Ukraine is not made up of Russians in whatsoever respect and degree.

..
The Sudentland argument.

Arky
August 30, 2022 11:27 pm

What is being contended and by whom?

..
By Moscow and Kiev.
That’s the thing being fought over.
The right of former parts of the Soviet Union to exist as states in their own right.
Be bloody careful of the “sphere of influence” argument,
You might not like the sphere we fall into after America.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 30, 2022 11:33 pm

Mustn’t disagree that bikes are sacred:

A city councillor opposed to further rollout of bike lanes in the CBD has been dumped from the City of Melbourne’s key transport portfolio.

Liberal Party member Roshena Campbell has been replaced by ALP councillor Davydd Griffiths at a council meeting on Tuesday night.

In June, Ms Campbell was the only councillor to vote against a compromise motion to pause the further rollout of bike lanes in the Hoddle Grid, arguing that it didn’t address anti-car measures in the council’s transport policy.

“It does nothing to fix the issues that exist … we don’t just govern for the people who (catch public transport) and live close enough to get on a bike, we are a capital city council,” she said at the time.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2022 11:45 pm

I know only as much of the case as the rest of us, but if I were of a desperately vindictive person ready to punish, that’s how I would do it.

Punish who?

Arky
August 30, 2022 11:50 pm

That sounds like a different contention to ‘deserves to reconstitute the Empire’,

..
How else do they reconstitute it according to a Putin’s stated intentions, other than by ignoring individual state’s rights to exist as independent countries?
It IS the same.
Unless you think there is an absolute majority in those states who are being held hostage somehow.
Which is absurd.

Franx
Franx
August 30, 2022 11:53 pm

It’s not quite the Sudetland or the Sudetenland argument.
Rather, it’s that, as was the case with Serbia and Croatia, the combatants – the Russians and the Ukrainians – see their very own selves in the face of the other whom they are asked to destroy. This, alone, is enough to wonder why it is that they are at war. Which leads to the second point raised, that of asking about who is fighting WHOSE war; and to what ends.

MatrixTransform
August 31, 2022 12:08 am

the Black Sea is mine
youse can moan all you like
but the Black Sea is mine

Arky
August 31, 2022 12:10 am

This, alone, is enough to wonder why it is that they are at war.

..
They are at war because in 2014 Russia invaded large chunks that Ukraine rather need economically to remain a viable country, and which they would understandably like back.
Then early this year, using the excuse of the possibility, not actually realised, that Ukraine might join NATO, they tried and failed to decapitate the joint, and also too further territory, making the joint even less defensible or viable should it be accepted as the status quo.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
August 31, 2022 12:11 am

Apparently Russia and China will soon be carrying out joint war exercises. (ticker tape under one of the Sky shows tonight)

Russia is fighting a war yet has the resources to engage in war games? Wow.
Very worrying that China and Russia are keen to demonstrate their political and armed force compatibility.

Arky
August 31, 2022 12:14 am

And yes, Putin is using EXACTLY the same “salami slicing “ tactic Hitler applied.
That people again think that they can satisfy some imaginary “final claim” is precisely the problem here.

calli
calli
August 31, 2022 12:20 am

Just a quick drive-by from Amsterdam. Hotel just off Dam square, the tram bells are sounding in the street below.

Basically no one wearing masks even though there are signs on the railway station requiring them. None in the airport. Dubai – required in the airport and on the plane but still many…many people ignoring it. The place looks pretty much the same as last time I saw it. There are no questions asked about vaccines at the border, it was simply passport as usual.

It’s 4:30pm, we’ve done over 24 hours in transit, and the Beloved wants a beer. His long shanks survived EC – we were up at the tail so there was a lot of movement and flexing just to add to the fun.

Franx
Franx
August 31, 2022 12:21 am

No, the war is a phoney war, bloody but phoney, enabled by a a puppet regime beholden to the edicts of the EU in turn beholden to the US, in turn beholden to the ancien regimes of the political class, perhaps mainly in the EU but in my ignorance I would say under the auspices of the UN.

rickw
rickw
August 31, 2022 12:43 am

Dissecting Fauci’s lies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVeeDhZCSws

rickw
rickw
August 31, 2022 12:49 am

Steve Jobs pretty much nails what went wrong with education:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEyl-u2Zdmw

Gabor
Gabor
August 31, 2022 12:57 am

Sancho Panzer says:
August 30, 2022 at 11:45 pm

I know only as much of the case as the rest of us, but if I were of a desperately vindictive person ready to punish, that’s how I would do it.

Punish who?

I thought it was obvious, the cheating husband, of course, but it was hypothetical, I have no idea what happened, and maybe a divorce was of no financial advantage to her or just revenge, who knows?

Tom
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bespoke
bespoke
August 31, 2022 5:31 am

This isn’t the country or the civilisation I regard as mine. It’s a scrofulous substitute and makes Russia look good by comparison. Which takes a lot of doing.

Things aren’t going to change by bitching and gossiping on the internet, DrBG.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 31, 2022 5:40 am

The premise that if you aren’t balls deep supporting Ukraine & every part of the US taxpayer funded response to the Russian invasion that you are supporting the Russians and every part of what they are doing is infantile.

Beware of keyboard conservatives who view this as the great moral challenge of our time.
Beware of talking points regurgitators because if there is a management change in Washington, their narrative will change.

Anchor What
Anchor What
August 31, 2022 6:32 am

The Arctic Ice melting away is right up there with “what rain does fall will not fill the dams.”
Once again the media and activist narrative is contradicted by the Arctic Ice being above 2010-2020 levels.
Just one of many inconvenient truths that don’t make it into the public consciousness, being ignored by the mostly left-green leaning MSM.

min
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August 31, 2022 6:35 am

Tom, I just read your offer for help in Editing and structure for book as health issues took up most of yesterday, and yes I am struggling in those areas . I even had to borrow a laptop from my son as I now only use IPad .
Because I have not been able to set aside time to work on book and do it spasmodically I have written chapters out of chtinological happening . but easily enough to rectify this.
Names are all changed of course and the hero is Tom also .
So how do I get your help..?
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rosie
rosie
August 31, 2022 6:37 am
rosie
rosie
August 31, 2022 6:39 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
August 31, 2022 6:48 am

Reading some stuff this morning about how the US employment data is out of whack because of the magnitude of internal migration & the great resignation isn’t as big as what it has been made out to be.
Makes sense because if you are moving, it’s not like you leave one town/city on a Friday & start in your job in the next town/city on Monday.
There are periods where people drop in & out of the official stats.
If true, the number of people who have moved has been underestimated.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 31, 2022 6:52 am

If the US internal migration is being underestimated how can anyone have any real confidence in polling data.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 31, 2022 6:54 am

Gorbachev dead. 91, so in his prime.

Another one. When will the sheeple wake up?

rosie
rosie
August 31, 2022 6:58 am

I suppose Lyn Dawson could have been vindictive enough to walk out without so much as a pair of underpants, making no contact ever, with her children, her parents, her siblings, her friends in the hopes of her husband being successfully prosecuted for murder forty years later.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 31, 2022 6:58 am

Gorby gone.

Mikhail Gorbachev dies at 91 (30 Aug)

The last leader of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, died on Tuesday at the age of 91, Russian media reported, citing officials at the Central Clinical Hospital.

It’s interesting that Shoigu said last month that he wants the Soviet Union to return. One should try to learn from history before one repeats it.

rosie
rosie
August 31, 2022 7:00 am

91, must have been that second booster.

Cassie of Sydney
August 31, 2022 7:06 am

“I suppose Lyn Dawson could have been vindictive enough to walk out without so much as a pair of underpants, making no contact ever, with her children, her parents, her siblings, her friends in the hopes of her husband being successfully prosecuted for murder forty years later.”

Quite so Rosie.

Fact – Lyn Dawson never left her home back in January 1982.

BTW…The Oz this morning has a piece on the twin brother, Paul Dawson. Worth reading although it makes for unpleasant reading.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 31, 2022 7:11 am

without so much as a pair of underpants

You wouldn’t need ladies’ dainties as a trans man.

Nobody has ever seen Lyn Dawson and Tommy Raudonikis in the same room. Ever.

Mater
August 31, 2022 7:15 am

91, must have been that second booster.

Probably not, but if they scratch around enough and manage to find a fragment of Covid in him, perhaps they can justify locking us down again.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 31, 2022 7:16 am

Rosie at 6:57.
Thanks for pointing out how ridiculous that theory is.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 31, 2022 7:16 am

Gorbachev dead. 91, so in his prime.

Another one that didn’t listen to the Grate Oracle, Hero of the Couch and author of that grate tome, How to get lost in Canberra.

Cassie of Sydney
August 31, 2022 7:20 am

I’m quite sure that even the most vindictive woman on the planet wouldn’t leave home without her contact lenses and particularly, a spare set of knickers.

Cassie of Sydney
August 31, 2022 7:25 am

Gorbachev dead, he was a hero in the West but not so much in Russia. It’ll be interesting to hear what Putin says. Apparently Putin despises certain historical Russian leaders whose policies enabled the collapse of Russia, two names in particular, Gorbachev and Nicholas II.

Mater
August 31, 2022 7:25 am

I’m quite sure that even the most vindictive woman on the planet wouldn’t leave home without her contact lenses and particularly, a spare set of knickers.

In my observations, spurned, vindictive women go the opposite direction, and take 75% of the stuff, including the house.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 31, 2022 7:26 am

BTW…The Oz this morning has a piece on the twin brother, Paul Dawson. Worth reading although it makes for unpleasant reading.

Yep. Suspect this isn’t over yet. Would be a few nervous characters at the NSW Dept of Education.

2dogs
2dogs
August 31, 2022 7:27 am

ignoring individual state’s rights to exist as independent countries?

I don’t get how people who can be so adamantly in support of the autonomy of Ukraine as a whole can also be so against the autonomy of the Eastern portion of Ukraine.

Are the borders that history has given us somehow magical?

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